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Speaker 6: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another NFL episode of the

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Speaker 6: Action Network podcast. I'm Matthew Friedman, the editor in chief

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Speaker 6: of Fantasy Labs with me for Sean Corner and Chris Raybond.

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Speaker 6: Shawn is the Action Network director of Predictive Analytics, and

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Speaker 6: Chris is a senior editor and analyst of the Action Network.

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Speaker 6: They are two of the best fantasy football rankers in

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Speaker 6: the world. In joining us is my supposed vocal doppelganger,

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Speaker 6: Mike Taglier, a football writer, analyst and podcaster for Fantasy Pros,

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Speaker 6: where he has twice been a top six ranker.

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Speaker 2: Tags, thanks for joining us. How's it going? Oh? Thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm just happy to be compared to have

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Speaker 6: a voice of an angel to be combined with Raybon

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Speaker 6: and Corner here two of the best rankers in the business.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's a good time to be on the show.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna be honest sean ranking of one to ten,

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Speaker 6: ten being highly similar, one being not similar at all?

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Speaker 6: How similar are tags?

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Speaker 2: And I six?

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Speaker 5: Nobody should be confused? But I get the comparison, but

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Speaker 5: you guys have very distinct voices in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Raybond, where are you ranking this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd go about a five and a half.

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Speaker 4: I think this is more like an Edelman Welker comparison. Weird,

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Speaker 4: it's based on one thing and not really too shit.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well we are off to a flying start, Just

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Speaker 6: what I wanted. We recently had Evan Silva, Ian Harditz,

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Speaker 6: Denny Carter, and Matt Harmon on the show to talk

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Speaker 6: about fantasy quarterbacks tight ends in the top twelve wide

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Speaker 6: receivers by average draft position. Great episodes, check them out.

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Speaker 6: In this episode, we were talking with Mike about his

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Speaker 6: fantasy approach to the wide receiver position, and we're getting

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Speaker 6: his thoughts on the wide receivers outside the top twelve.

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Speaker 6: If you like what you hear, give us that five

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Speaker 6: star rating, leave a review. We would appreciate it. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 6: let's get into it tags. I want to get your

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Speaker 6: thoughts on how to approach the wide receiver position for

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty. I mean, in a general year, you might

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Speaker 6: have your own kind of specific philosophy about how you

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Speaker 6: like to approach the wide receiver position. But this season

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Speaker 6: is unlike any other that we've seen. I'm wondering if

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Speaker 6: that changes at all your approach. No, it's really weird.

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Speaker 6: It's one of those things that where I don't want

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Speaker 6: And I say that because wide receiver is a possition

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Speaker 6: that's irreplaceable. Like if Julio Jones comes out of the lineup,

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Speaker 6: Lawan Treadwell is not going to walk in and get

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Speaker 6: eleven targets like Julio Jones would. I've never been a

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Speaker 6: zero running back advocate, but if there's one year that

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have one hundred and one temperature. Because people

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Speaker 2: play through sicknesses sometimes.

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Speaker 6: And they're gonna be sent home and then all of

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Speaker 6: a sudden, one of those running backs that you're able

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 6: Granted, there are probably forty fifty wide receivers that we

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Speaker 6: So I haven't changed my strategy. But I'm sounding like

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I don't ever go in with a set strategy,

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Speaker 4: Hey, tags, last episode we had Matt Harmon on we

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Speaker 3: You just mentioned Julio Jones. That was the guy that

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Speaker 4: This group as a whole, I think was pretty high

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Speaker 6: I mean, I mean impossible not to say, you know

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Speaker 2: And I say that because I mean the guy over

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Speaker 6: His career, Like I do this series and it's funny,

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Speaker 6: I'm releasing these pieces like right now it's called Boom

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Speaker 6: Bust and everything in between. And every year, why wide

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Speaker 6: receiver numbers vary, right, Like a wide receiver one performance

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Speaker 6: on average, would you know it would be eighteen points

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Speaker 6: one year, it would be nineteen point two another year.

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Speaker 6: It all varies, But Julio Jones has supposed to wide

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Speaker 6: the only two wide receivers who hit forty percent last year,

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Speaker 6: So Julio Jones has shown year over year that he's

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Speaker 6: just super consistent. And obviously, having Calvin Ridley there, teams

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Speaker 2: Because he'll eat you up too.

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Speaker 6: So Julio Jones basically, it's just I don't know why

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Speaker 5: Who's the one receiver that you've gotten the most so

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Speaker 6: But the answer to this one is find someone that

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Speaker 6: much as I love AJ Green.

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Speaker 2: AJ Green is the guy I'm going to have.

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Speaker 6: And I understand that he comes with some injury concerns,

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Speaker 6: but that's really baked into his cost. He's another guy

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Speaker 6: that's just over the course of his career. I don't

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Speaker 6: first two years of his career basically didn't get on

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Speaker 6: top five pick. If he missed time, it was like

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Speaker 6: we should have knew he was injury prone. No, you

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Speaker 6: can't predict injuries. AJ Green had a year off, he's

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Speaker 6: He's one of the best players in football, and he

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Speaker 6: So it's not like we can say like he's old

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Speaker 6: is one I've owned the most of tags I'm looking

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Speaker 6: at my own projections for aj Green, and I always

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Speaker 6: look at it and feel as if I'm way too

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Speaker 6: I think he might carry. But I'm with you there

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Speaker 6: on Aj Green as someone who's probably going a little

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Speaker 6: undervalued in fantasy drafts. Now, who is the you know,

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Speaker 6: looking at the flip the flip side of this coin,

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Speaker 6: who's the one wide receiver that you are kind of

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Speaker 6: want no part of. Well, I mean, based on where

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Speaker 6: he's being drafted, Tyreek Hill. And I know that sounds

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Speaker 6: bad because a lot of people. I posted a pull

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Speaker 6: because I've been like recording stuff. But the poll was,

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Speaker 6: do you think do you believe that Amari Cooper should

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Speaker 6: be rostered as a wide receiver one in fantasy football?

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Speaker 6: So thirty four percent are saying absolutely not, and then

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Speaker 6: but I don't want to believe it. Right, If you

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Speaker 6: it's hard to tell the difference. Granted, Tyreek might have

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Speaker 6: some bigger booms in there, and but a Mari's booms

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Speaker 6: like they're volatile receivers, and I don't not want to

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Speaker 6: You know, going back to the Julio Jones conversation, He's

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Speaker 6: a wide receiver two or better just forty four percent

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Speaker 6: much rather take some consistency, and like Julio Jones, should

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Speaker 6: be going before Tyreek Hill every day of the week,

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Speaker 6: and it's not really all that close for.

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Speaker 4: Me not disagree more, Tyreek Kill is my number two receiver.

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Speaker 4: I think Tyreek Ko should be drafted above everyone but

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Speaker 4: Michael Thomas, because you have there, you have the wide

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Speaker 4: receiver one workload, you have the best quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 4: And you look at tyreek Kill's game logs and like again,

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Speaker 4: like you mentioned the cutoffs for wide receiver one in years,

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Speaker 4: you know, in different years are different. But last year,

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Speaker 4: for example, tyreek Kill had three games, you know, including

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Speaker 4: the playoffs, so he played in in fifteen total games.

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Speaker 3: Including the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: He had three games with single digit PPR points and

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Speaker 4: one of them was a game where he got hurt early.

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Speaker 3: And so really it's two games.

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Speaker 4: You look at the year before and the Chiefs also

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Speaker 4: made a deep postseason run, he played eighteen total games

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Speaker 4: three four games but with single digit PPR points. So

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Speaker 4: it's like, I feel like he does have that consistent floor.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's like not quite hitting that wide receiver one

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Speaker 4: cutoff each and every week, but we're talking about like

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Speaker 4: forty something percent for the top guy. Like and then

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Speaker 4: you look at tyreek Hill's where he's finished for you know,

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Speaker 4: every year of his career, he's up there in that

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Speaker 2: He's fun to own.

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Speaker 6: I'll give you that, he's fun, but I mean seven

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Speaker 2: And can he get more sure? And is he crazy efficient? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Is is, yes, he gets all these targets.

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Speaker 4: But Tyreek Kill in twenty seventeen and eighteen one hundred

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Speaker 6: That question I asked, would you say that Amari Cooper's

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Speaker 4: I am was a low one wide receiver one. He's

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Speaker 6: Oh stop, I don't know if he's gonna be better

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Speaker 3: Now, seriously, listen, Amari Cooper.

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Speaker 3: He's been unable to catch touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: At times he's been like he's had games like he

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, a couple of things.

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Speaker 6: here and saying that that Tyreek Hill and Amari Cooper

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Speaker 3: That is that is just number two, number two.

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Speaker 6: It's almost as if we haven't had an entire other

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Speaker 6: this wonderful and very sensilating conversation to talk about some

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Speaker 6: DK Metcalf, d J. Shark, and Terriet McLaurin. Out of

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Speaker 6: So I do like Juju quite a bit. I have

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Speaker 6: I don't know what's going on, but this is a

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to go with Calvin Ridley. I have

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Speaker 5: I'm not going out of my way to get him necessary,

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I took him at one hundred and one to leave

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Speaker 2: Raymond, who do you like here?

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Speaker 3: One is Cooper Cup and the other is Tyler Lockett.

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Speaker 4: Both of these guys I consider their their team's number

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Speaker 4: Finishes of top twelve per game Fantasy production. He was

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Speaker 4: of all, Cup is the centerpiece of that passing offense.

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00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,760
Speaker 4: He was coming off of a cl injury. It was

437
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,720
Speaker 4: weight in the season. You know, it made sense to

438
00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,639
Speaker 4: kind of get him out there. He was putting up

439
00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,640
Speaker 4: crazy numbers for the entire year. He's Gos's best friend. Essentially,

440
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,120
Speaker 4: this guy is going to continue to produce, I think

441
00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,639
Speaker 4: at a top twelve level, and you can get him

442
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Speaker 4: outside the top twelve. The Rams also tend to throw

443
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,040
Speaker 4: a lot of passes. They did last year, and I

444
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,040
Speaker 4: think they're going to continue to do that because the

445
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,880
Speaker 4: emphasis is on the short, quick game.

446
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,119
Speaker 3: You know, Cooks has gone.

447
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,040
Speaker 4: They drafted a guy who could replace Reynolds, so Welf

448
00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 4: Cup and then Tyra Lockett.

449
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 3: You know, it's really the Lockett Metcalf show in.

450
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,920
Speaker 4: Seattle, but a lot of some drafts I even see

451
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Speaker 4: Lockett go after Metcalf.

452
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,439
Speaker 3: I think that's also silly.

453
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,359
Speaker 4: Tyra Lockett is like if you look at his efficiency numbers,

454
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 4: and again like efficiency numbers only matter for certain receivers

455
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 4: that I think are attached to an e week quarterback,

456
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 4: Tyra Lockett being one of them. This is a guy

457
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,199
Speaker 4: who you know, caught eighty two of one hundred and

458
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,439
Speaker 4: ten targets last year, fifty seven of seventy the year before.

459
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,679
Speaker 4: You know that that catch rate is near Drew Brees

460
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 4: Michael Thomas level efficiency. And Tyra Lockett hasn't even scratched

461
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 4: the surface in terms of you know, his target ceiling yet.

462
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 4: But Russell Wilson has thrown you know, thirty touchdown passes

463
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Speaker 4: in for the last five years. You know, even if

464
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Speaker 4: Lockett continues to be kind of on the lower end

465
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 4: in terms of volume among wide receiver ones, I think

466
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 4: that his ceiling is still so high and his flour

467
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 4: is still going to be high enough. So love Lockett.

468
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 4: You know, eighteen touchdowns over the past two years. That's

469
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,679
Speaker 4: directly due to Wilson, and he's the guy that you

470
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,400
Speaker 4: can usually get kind of in that mid range wide

471
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 4: receiver to ADP where I think his upside is also

472
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Speaker 4: you know, finishing top ten as well.

473
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Speaker 3: So Locking and Cup of my two.

474
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Speaker 2: Guys, tax, who are you looking to stay away from?

475
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Speaker 6: You know, it's tough to say that I want to

476
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 6: stay away from anybody in this round, because I think

477
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Speaker 6: that if there's value presented at Cooper Cup at wide

478
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 6: receiver thirteen, I don't think I'm paying that. I know

479
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 6: in some drafts he's going to high, and then in

480
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 6: some drafts he's falling to like wide receiver twenty two.

481
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,440
Speaker 6: I'll take him at wide receiver twenty two. Ups I'm

482
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 6: not I'm not like fading Cooper Cup in general, the

483
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 6: one that I don't own any shares of because his

484
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 6: price is just too damn high. And I'm sorry, Sean is.

485
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 6: Aj Brown is just this offense. You know, over the

486
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 6: last two years, they've thrown the ball under Mike Rabel

487
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 6: four hundred and thirty two and four hundred and forty

488
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 6: eight times. It's a trend now, like it's I'm not

489
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 6: saying it's a given, but it's a trend. And even

490
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 6: if we get up to four hundred and sixty pass

491
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 6: attempts or something like that, you start talking about a

492
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 6: massive twenty five percent target share, and you might get

493
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 6: to one hundred and twenty targets.

494
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 2: You might like that.

495
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Speaker 6: That's how I feel. I feel like the ceiling for

496
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 6: aj bround is one hundred and twenty targets. And I

497
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 6: love AJ Brown the player, I really do. I just

498
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 6: don't know if we can go off with such a

499
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 6: small sample size with Ryan Tannahill and say that he's

500
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 6: going to produce a week in week out, and even

501
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 6: you know, once we got to the playoffs, A J.

502
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 6: Brown was essentially useless. Like I remember using him in

503
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 6: DFS thinking all right, he's gonna get the targets. It's

504
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 6: like there was two target games in there, and that's

505
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 6: that's just really frustrating when you're gonna spend I mean,

506
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 6: we're getting into the point where people are spending a

507
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Speaker 6: third round pick on him, Like if I get him

508
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Speaker 6: in like the fifth round, absolutely I'm in on AJ Brown.

509
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 6: I think the risk is worth the reward there. I

510
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 6: just fourth is like the one where it's like, okay,

511
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 6: we could we could meet in the middle there, but

512
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 6: third round that's just way too high for me as all.

513
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Speaker 4: Is there a point like so this brings up an

514
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 4: interesting question, like we we all know that like volume

515
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 4: is going to be the most predictive stat that we

516
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 4: can use, you know, target volume. But within this big

517
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 4: tier where all these guys are essentially either number one

518
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 4: wide receivers for their team or number twos who get

519
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 4: you know, number one type volume like a Metcalf.

520
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 3: Or Ridley within that tier.

521
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Speaker 4: It brings the question, like, as you guys kind of

522
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 4: had this conversation, it brought to mind the question should

523
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 4: we be looking at efficiency more to differentiate the guys

524
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 4: that are that are similar in target volume? Because I

525
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 4: get the point that, yeah, aj Brown is on the

526
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 4: low end in terms of like his target expectation. But

527
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 4: yet you know, even like last year, you know that

528
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 4: being the case, you know, he didn't start the year

529
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Speaker 4: really you know as a number one wide receiver.

530
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Speaker 3: He just kind of took over, uh, you know, that role.

531
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 4: He was still a guy that that that finished as

532
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 4: a top fantasy you know, one of the higher fantasy receivers.

533
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 4: He had a you know, fifty two catches for one

534
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 4: thousand and fifty one yards, eight touchdowns, another one another

535
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 4: went on the ground. Tyra Lockett is similar, I think

536
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 4: in that sense, and that every year people kind of

537
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: look at him and say he's not there's not enough targets.

538
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: Every year he puts up big numbers.

539
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 4: I think even Tyreek Kill can be added to that

540
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 4: conversation as well. So, like, where do you guys stand

541
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Speaker 4: on kind of differentiating these guys within this same similar

542
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 4: target tier with efficiency numbers.

543
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Speaker 2: It's a really good point.

544
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 6: I mean, we have so Doug Baldwin was efficient, Tyler locket'sfficient,

545
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 6: every single Seahawks receiver, let's just be honest. But Russell

546
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 6: Wilson's really good. AJ Brown and it's such a small

547
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 6: sample size. That's the only reason that that's the only

548
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 6: reason that I think I knock him down below these guys.

549
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 6: But by the way, Matt, I wish I could just

550
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 6: like go and return to this question.

551
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 2: So I didn't argue with Sean. He's the last person

552
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: I want to argue with. Keenan Allen.

553
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 6: I didn't even realize he was in this tear this year.

554
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 6: Keenan Allen is someone I will own zero of. Like again,

555
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 6: good football player, terrible, terrible situation. Tyrod Taylor's never thrown

556
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 6: the ball more than four and thirty seven times in

557
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 6: this season. You know, even Sammy Watkins going back to him,

558
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 6: he made his living off big plays with Tyrod.

559
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen slot receiver.

560
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 6: I just don't think there's gonna be enough volume for

561
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 6: him in this offense like I have him down at

562
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 6: like wide receiver twenty seven. If I'm not mistaken, Yeah, absolutely,

563
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 6: I agree with you there. He's someone I'm certainly looking

564
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 6: to stay away from in this tier. I mean, I

565
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 6: certainly prefers teammate Mike Williams to him. But Sean, who

566
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 6: are you staying away from?

567
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: Here?

568
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 5: This one's kind of tricky because I have Juju ranked

569
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 5: wide receiver eleven and his ADP's wide receiver fifteen. But

570
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 5: I'm still avoiding him because with him he comes with

571
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 5: the added you know downside where he definitely needs Big

572
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 5: Ben to stay healthy for I would say thirteen fourteen

573
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 5: games hit value here. So I mean just he inherently

574
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 5: has the lowest floor of this tier. And it's not

575
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 5: even his fault. So, I mean, we saw that last year.

576
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 5: It's not his fault. It's you know, Mike Tommins going

577
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 5: to make the offic's very conservative with mix Rudolf Duck

578
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 5: Rogers under center. So I mean, Juju's a borderline wide

579
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 5: receiver three when that happens, so you have to factor that.

580
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 5: And having said that, if big Ben is healthy all season,

581
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 5: I think you know Juju has shown that he'll he'll

582
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 5: be able to put up wide receiver one numbers. I

583
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: just think in this range, I'm not really taking risks

584
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 5: like that, So I've been fading him quite a bit.

585
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 5: And the only other guy in this range that I've

586
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 5: been avoiding just based on his ADP is Courtland Sutton.

587
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I love him as a player. I think

588
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 5: he has a ton of upside, but they just added

589
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 5: so many weapons in this offense. You know, a guy

590
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 5: like Noah Fant is entering year two, you know they're

591
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 5: you know, people are investing in Drew Locke because he

592
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 5: has upside. I don't really know if we're going to

593
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 5: see it this year, so he's essentially probably going to

594
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 5: be spreading around two hundred and thirty five passing yards

595
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 5: more so, you know, Sutton's not going to be giving

596
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 5: getting as much of that. So I just don't see

597
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 5: him being drafted, you know, as a middling wide receiver too.

598
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 5: So that's why I've been passing on him quite a bit,

599
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 5: even though I do get his upside.

600
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 2: Raymond, what about you, who do you just like?

601
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? For me, it's Courtland Sutton. I kind of echo

602
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: Shawn sentiments.

603
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 4: You know, when I model out the all these receivers,

604
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 4: they are all extremely close, but one that keeps coming

605
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 4: out near the bottom or even you know, outside of

606
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 4: this tier completely is Courtland Sutton. And I think that

607
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 4: goes back to exactly what Sean said, you know, projecting

608
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 4: these guys, you're gonna start with the quarterback. That's why

609
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: I'm higher on guys like like Tyer Lockett than most

610
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 4: even Tyreek Hill maybe, whereas with Sutton, we drew ock

611
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 4: as a guy who averaged six and a half yards

612
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Speaker 4: per per attempt.

613
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: He's a guy who yes he got some new.

614
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: Weapons, but no saying that those weapons are gonna have

615
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 4: a really increase what he's doing his efficiency. You know,

616
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 4: this could be kind of what he is. We really

617
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: don't have a large enough sample. And then some of

618
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: just Sutton's underlying metrics. I mean, you know, he was

619
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 4: on the field basically every route every snap last year.

620
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 4: Needed a lot of route volume to put up the

621
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: numbers he did. And he's always been a guy like

622
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: the criticism coming out of school with him is that

623
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: he didn't win against you know, top tier competition, top

624
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 4: tier coverage. I've even read about you know, they're in camp,

625
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 4: they're talking about Sutton.

626
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: Now.

627
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 4: Now with these guys Judy and Hammler and Fant going

628
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: in a year two. It is like, let them cover

629
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 4: Sutton so those guys can get open and let the

630
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 4: defenses have to focus on him. So just kind of

631
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 4: a lot of red flags with me with something that

632
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 4: I don't know if he can necessarily even replicate what

633
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: he did last year. And even though he's a talented

634
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: guy overall, I think there are some kind of some

635
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 4: hosy compoke in his game and I don't like the situation,

636
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 4: so I've been avoiding him in that tier.

637
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 6: All right, I want to talk about some of the

638
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 6: rookies in this class, and it connects with Courtland Sutton

639
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 6: in a way, and that you know, some of the

640
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 6: negativity around him has to do with the idea that

641
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 6: the team just drafted two rookies. Obviously you have Jerry

642
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 6: Judy in the first round and then kJ Hamler who

643
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 6: was drafted in the second round. But you know, really

644
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 6: you just look throughout this this rookie class one of

645
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 6: the deepest rookie wide receiver classes in history, and I

646
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 6: mean a lot of talent there too. You have Henry

647
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 6: Ruggs who went in the first round, then Judy Ceedee Lamb,

648
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 6: Jalen Rager, Justin Jefferson, Brandon Ayuk, all of those guys

649
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 6: in the first round, and then the second round you

650
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 6: had t Higgins, Michael Pittman, Leviscus Janault, Junior Hamler, Chase Claypool,

651
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 6: Van Jefferson, and Denzel Mims. All of those guys in

652
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Speaker 6: theory could have significant playing time this year. And so

653
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Speaker 6: the question is tags with all of these rookies. On

654
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 6: the one hand, you normally think that there's upside with rookies.

655
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 6: On the other hand, you have this COVID situation where

656
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 6: a lot of them haven't been able to get the

657
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 6: offseason experience in practice with their quarterbacks. So how are

658
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 6: you approaching these rookie wide receivers. Yeah, it's gonna be

659
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 6: a lot tougher for them to come in and produce

660
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 6: right away. So the only ones I look at, like

661
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 6: Jerry Judy's the best wide receiver in this class in

662
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 6: my opinion, it's I mean, like he was the number one,

663
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 6: but he's not my number one in redraft though, the

664
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 6: guys in redraft that I would be looking towards his

665
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 6: teams that have no other alternate options. Henry Ruggs wasn't

666
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 6: like crazy high on him, but he's gonna walk into

667
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 6: some targets like there's nobody else in that team, like

668
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 6: Tyroll Williams.

669
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: I want to say.

670
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Speaker 6: There wasn't even a game last year where he he

671
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 6: saw more than six targets, so they clearly don't want

672
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 6: the ball going his way a whole lot.

673
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: Ruggs.

674
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 6: They're gonna manufacture touches for him when they select him

675
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 6: over Lamb and Judy. They're gonna manufacture touches for him.

676
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 6: So he's someone to watch kind of like a I

677
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 6: don't want to say Will Fuller, but like a guy

678
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 6: that you could plug in from time to time as

679
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 6: a wide receiver three In a game that you know

680
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 6: the Raiders is gonna fall behind, they're going to throw

681
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 6: the ball a lot. I think he's gonna be like

682
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 6: a DFS favorite in tournaments, But then Jalen Rager is

683
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 6: quickly becoming someone that I might be the highest on

684
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 6: this year because the Eagles. It seems like alshon Jeffrey,

685
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 6: everything we hear about him is negative and that he's

686
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 6: probably gonna start the year on the pupp list.

687
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: The Eagles. They may cut him at some point. We

688
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: don't even know.

689
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 6: Deshaun Jackson, thirty four years old, was never a high

690
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 6: volume wide receiver anyway. I mean, we saw someone like

691
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 6: Greg Ward come off literally just come off the street,

692
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 6: have no experience, nothing with Carson Wentz and he walks

693
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 6: into fantasy production like we were all using him in

694
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 6: cash games in DFS. Rager, they chose him over Justin Jefferson.

695
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 6: I mean that speaks highly because I thought Jefferson fit

696
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 6: their offense very well. They've said nothing but good things

697
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 6: about Rager and that he's come in and he's everything

698
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 6: they expected him to be. He's gonna line up all

699
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 6: over the field. He's he's a guy that can't hit

700
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 6: that big play because he has that four to four speed,

701
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 6: maybe four to three if he dropped.

702
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: A little bit of weight.

703
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 6: So Rager is the one that I'm extremely excited about

704
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 6: now because I don't think the Eagles have any other

705
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 6: options at wide receiver. Sean, what do you think of

706
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 6: these rookies in and who stands out to you the most?

707
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like you guys said, I think that

708
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 5: the COVID offseason could hurt them quite a bit, but overall,

709
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 5: this this class is extraordinary and you know, all of

710
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 5: them are being drafted as wide receiver four or five

711
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 5: or six. So the fact that you're able to draft

712
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 5: a rookie as your bench ride receiver is a huge

713
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 5: bonus because you know they're loaded with upside. The two

714
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 5: that I'm gravitating to the most would be Ceedee Lamb

715
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 5: and Henry Ruggs, So you know, Ceedee Lamb, I had

716
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 5: mixed feelings about his landing spot when it first happened. Obviously,

717
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 5: he'll probably be the number three receiver on this offense,

718
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 5: but I do expect the Cowboys to run a ton

719
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 5: of eleven personnel, so I expect him to be, you know,

720
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: running her out over eighty percent of the time, so

721
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 5: you know he'll have the opportunity right away. And let's

722
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 5: face it, he's, you know, Michael galluper Amari Cooper injury

723
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 5: away from being rock solid wide receiver two potentially, so

724
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 5: he has more upside than anybody I feel given that situation.

725
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 5: And Henry Ruggs, I think is another guy with a

726
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 5: ton of sid He's probably the only guy on the

727
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 5: list that's sort of the de facto number one right away.

728
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 5: And it was a bit shocking when the Raiders took

729
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 5: him because you know, he's considered more of a deep threat.

730
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 5: And Derek Carr averaged six point three yards pass line

731
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 5: of scrimmage on his past tense lust he which is

732
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 5: the second lowest, So you know, you're wondering why they

733
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: drafted him. But maybe they didn't let him throw it

734
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: deep because they didn't have a deep threat like him.

735
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 5: He certainly he graded above average in terms of catchbaw

736
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 5: balls over twenty yards, so who knows, maybe they'll let

737
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 5: him air it out more with Rugs, But either way,

738
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: I think he'll be the number two target on the

739
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 5: offense behind Darren Waller, and he certainly has upside, so

740
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 5: you know his ADP of wide receiver forty five. I've

741
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 5: been getting quite a few shares of him just because

742
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 5: he's he's worth the risk there Rabon.

743
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 6: I know on this serious show we've talked about Henry

744
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 6: Ruggs before, and I think you said that you think

745
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 6: he actually has a pretty decent chance to be the

746
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 6: number one target within that offense. Any thoughts on Rugs

747
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 6: or any of these other rookies.

748
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Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, Ruggs in a by himself in terms

749
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 4: of this rookie class, like first of all, with this

750
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 4: whole COVID narrative about you know, rookies are going to struggle,

751
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: I think it's it's probably true to some extent, but

752
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: the issue I see is that people are starting to

753
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 4: apply it across every receiver in generalizing, and that really

754
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense. I think if we're if we're going

755
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 4: to dig into it a little deeper, likely the one

756
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: thing that you can't that that is not going to

757
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: matter whether you're in camp or not, is speed, is athleticism.

758
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 4: Defenses are going to be unprepared to So a guy

759
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: like Rugs, he really stands out as a guy that

760
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: you know, as Tags mentioned or Sean mentioned, you got

761
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: the manufacturer touches for him. Tyreek Hill his rookie year

762
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: averaged nine point seven yards per reception and he ran

763
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: the ball twenty four times in sixteen games. Like That's

764
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: what I think you could see out of Ruggs if

765
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 4: he's not going to be that traditional deep threat, so

766
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: I think he's in a class by himself. I think

767
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: some of the more the more technical guys like a

768
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: Judy could struggle a little bit or starts slower and

769
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 4: not put up like fantasy difference making numbers. I think

770
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb is a clear number two because of Dak

771
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 4: Prescott in the quarterback situation, and then some other guys

772
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: that I think are worst drafted because again, like regardless

773
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: of this narrative that rookies may struggle with, the bottom

774
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: line is they're mostly free. You know, they're going wide

775
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: receiver four or five, six, So that risk doesn't matter

776
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: at that point in the draft.

777
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: You're looking for upside.

778
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: So so Denzel Mims a guy who I could see

779
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: weeding the Jets and air yards, Brandon Aiyuk, you know

780
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 4: who could emerge as as the number you know two

781
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: target in San Francisco, given that Deebo's status to start

782
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: the year is up in the year. And then with

783
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 4: Viska Shanal, you know, Jacksonville, in my opinion, is wide

784
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: open in terms of targets after Djhr, I don't think

785
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: Dede Westbrook is the guys that they necessarily want to

786
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: be giving, you know, seven targets a game. If there's

787
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: somebody better, and I think is another guy they're going

788
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 4: to kind of manufacture targets for. He's a guy can

789
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 4: line up in the backfield, do a bunch of different things,

790
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: so those are the guys you know. Wait, I've been

791
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 4: taking flyers on nims Ayuk and.

792
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 6: Uh, Mike, it's Raybond mentioned most of these guys are

793
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 6: going in that range where you tend to focus more

794
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 6: on finding upside instead of minimizing downside.

795
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

796
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 6: So maybe it's not the case that there's a rookie

797
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 6: that you're just destined not to take a guy that

798
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 6: you're swearing off. But is there one of these rookie

799
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 6: wide receivers that you are more pessimistic on, uh than

800
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 6: other people? I am pessimistic Chase Chase Claypole. I don't

801
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 6: think he plays over James Washington. I really didn't understand

802
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 6: the pick when they made it. I felt like he

803
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 6: was a big tight end that was just a fast

804
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 6: tight end, and then he moved to wide receiver and

805
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 6: there's a lot of question marks surrounding him. He's someone

806
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 6: that I want no part of in drafts, Like, I

807
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 6: don't even want a flyer on him.

808
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: I guess you could.

809
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 6: I guess you could say the same thing about someone

810
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 6: like Leviskas Shanal coming off the core injury, he had

811
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 6: muscle surgery and I just don't know if he is

812
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 6: going to play immediately over Chris Conley. I think he

813
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 6: has an easier route obviously to get over Conley, who's

814
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 6: on a one year deal, than someone like Chase Claypool.

815
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 6: But at the same time, like those are the rookies

816
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 6: I'm not touching. I'll take the guys that were drafted

817
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 6: in the first round. Take a shot on them. Brandon Ayuk,

818
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 6: I mean the forty nine ers without Deebo Samuel for

819
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 6: the first you know how many weeks, there's gonna be

820
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 6: targets available in that offense. But it's a little scary

821
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 6: because I just don't know if there's a consistent option there.

822
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 6: So yeah, but I think Raybound's right in the fact

823
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 6: that if you're building a team where you're looking for

824
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 6: just put pure upside on your bench instead of taking

825
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 6: guys like Golden Tate, take a guy like you know, Rugs,

826
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 6: take a guy like Rigger and and see what you have.

827
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 6: Because if they come out week one Blazon, you're not

828
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 6: I mean, everybody's gonna run the waiver wire and they're

829
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 6: gonna grab them. So when I grab them and just

830
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 6: keep them on your bench, see what you got.

831
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Speaker 4: Rug starts week one with Carolina, which we all expect

832
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: to be a pretty bad defense. So that that's the

833
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: guy that I'm I'm taking him is like about ten

834
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 4: picks higher than he usually goes, like, I usually take

835
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: him in the late thirties at wide receiver, where he

836
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: usually goes in the mid forties.

837
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 6: So yep, let's talk about some of these second year

838
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 6: wide receivers. We've mentioned a couple of them, aj Brown

839
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 6: in particular, but you know, there are other guys who

840
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 6: could end up really popping Terry McLaurin, DK Metcalf, and

841
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 6: then they're just a whole I mean a host of

842
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 6: other guys, and honestly, I mean, this rookie class is

843
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 6: one of the best we've ever seen. But the guys

844
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 6: who were rookies last year they also did pretty well.

845
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 6: And so we have a lot of young up and

846
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 6: coming wide receivers in the league right now. You look

847
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 6: at these second year players, Marquise Brown, Mikole Hardman, Deebo,

848
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 6: Samuel Deontay Johnson, Rayvon your guy, Darius Slayton, and then

849
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 6: some other guys who were highly drafted who haven't really

850
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 6: popped yet but you know, maybe could take that step

851
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 6: forward in their second season in kill Harry Paris Campbell,

852
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 6: Jalen Hurd, Hunter, Renfro, jj Arthago Whiteside, and Andy Isabella

853
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 6: Isabella particularly, I mean, I know it's not gonna happen,

854
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 6: just like the word fetch, but I really want it

855
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 6: to happen. Tags, who are you really interested in out

856
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 6: of the second year wide receivers? I mean, I love DK,

857
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 6: but his price is going so high that it's really

858
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 6: I think he passed Tyler Lockett the other day in terms.

859
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: Of the ADP that we have on our site.

860
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 6: So I always felt like the ceiling might have been

861
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 6: higher with DK, but he wasn't the safer pick, and

862
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 6: it was like, I'll take him as my wide receiver three,

863
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 6: but now he's in wide receiver two range, so it's

864
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 6: really difficult to love him at cost. But I don't

865
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 6: think he's a bad pick. Deontay Johnson. I mean, he's

866
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 6: a route runner. He's gonna be playing with Roethlisberger.

867
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 5: I don't think.

868
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 6: I don't think people should go off last year's numbers

869
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 6: and judge Juju or Deontay Johnson. James Washington played in

870
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 6: college with Mason Rudolph, so there was a clear connection

871
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 6: between those two. But Deontay Johnson. The Steelers are apparently

872
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 6: ultra high on him. So and then Paris Campbell. Paris

873
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 6: Campbell t Y Hilton over thirty years old, now dealing

874
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 6: with injuries the last couple of years, struggling to stay

875
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 6: on the field. Now has a new quarterback, shows up

876
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 6: to camp with a hamstring injury, not practicing with Philip Rivers.

877
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 6: I just think it takes time to develop chemistry with

878
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 6: a quarterback. And if you're even if it's just this

879
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 6: slow four weeks they have, you know, for training camp

880
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 6: or whatever before the season starts, it's something. It's something

881
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 6: to get on the same page. And if he can't

882
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 6: do that, Paris Campbell is a bigger, stronger, faster version.

883
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't Again, I don't know if he's

884
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 6: the football player the t Y Hilton is, but Paris

885
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 6: Campbell is a physical specimen. So I'd be looking for

886
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 6: him as again one of those upside late picks, and

887
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 6: you can find out what you have almost immediately.

888
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 2: Corner. Who do you like out of these second year receivers?

889
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously I mentioned Aj Brown. I love him.

890
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 5: Terry McLaurin, if you can get him as your wide

891
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 5: receiver three. That's a steal. As tags mentioned, DK Metcalf,

892
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 5: I love him, but his his price is getting up

893
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 5: there again. He has so much upside, but you can't

894
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 5: really fault people for drafting him as high as they

895
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 5: are right now. Markith Brown and Mikoel Hartman are great

896
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 5: best ball targets where they're going. But the one guy

897
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 5: that I want to point out that I think has

898
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 5: a two to three went two to three window potentially

899
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: of a by low is Deebo Samuel. His ADP's listed

900
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 5: at wide receiver thirty three, but that's not actually where

901
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 5: he's going right now. I've been in some drafts lately

902
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 5: where he falls into the you know, forty to forty

903
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 5: five range, So you know, obviously he's probably going to

904
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 5: miss a couple of games due to his broken foot.

905
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 5: But when you're drafting a guy like that to go

906
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 5: on your bench, you don't really need him those first

907
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 5: couple of games anyway, and that's that's typically the easiest

908
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 5: time to replace players. So I would normally be advocating

909
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 5: to draft him where he's going right now, but I

910
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 5: think that the secret upside that people maybe start to

911
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 5: figure out over the next couple weeks. Is you know,

912
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 5: there's a non zero chance if this season gets delayed

913
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 5: or you know, they start week one on time but

914
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 5: then there's some sort of delay in week two is pushback.

915
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 5: So anything like that is going to give his foot

916
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 5: more time to heal and will lower you know, the

917
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 5: expected games were expected to miss from him. And again,

918
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 5: you know, I would put the chances of a delay,

919
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 5: you know, around fifteen to twenty percent. But still that's

920
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 5: that's not really factored into his price right now. So

921
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 5: I think it's a couple week by a low window

922
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 5: for him.

923
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 6: All right, Raybon, I know on the series show you

924
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 6: and I have had conversations about Debo. What are your

925
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 6: thoughts on him and anyone that you like, particularly in

926
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 6: the second year class.

927
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not as bullish on drafting Debo. I'm generally

928
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: not a person that's drafting a stash. I just think

929
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 4: that there are guys going in that range still that.

930
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: Can give you sixteen weeks of.

931
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 4: Upside, and especially with Deeble having a foot injury, you know,

932
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 4: I really, you know, don't know how he's going to

933
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 4: respond to that. I don't think you know, he's not

934
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: a guy that we see you know, kind of get

935
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 4: hurt and come back from being hurt and produced to

936
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: a low volume offense.

937
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: So he's not a guy I'm like super excited about.

938
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 4: Now that he's he's hurt, I'd rather take my shot

939
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: on on IUK and getting kind of, you know, a

940
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 4: little more value out of him even later later in

941
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 4: the draft. But I am excited about this this second

942
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 4: year class, and I think wide receivers making the jump

943
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 4: from year one to year two, there's an across the

944
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 4: board increase of about fifteen to twenty percent in production.

945
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 4: So I think you start with the guys that were

946
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 4: already productive last year. So I love DK Metcalf. You know,

947
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: the quarterback situation is great. He could be you know,

948
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: a you know, just a a he could He has

949
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 4: top ten upside. I think if if you know, things

950
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 4: go right for him, just because he's such a downfield

951
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: guy fifteen and a half yards per catch last year,

952
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 4: Terry McLaurin, all he needs is, uh, you know, a

953
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: slight uptick in in in the quarterback play there we

954
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 4: don't I don't know if we're gonna get it, but

955
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: he was still pretty damn good. Seven touchdowns, nine hundred

956
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: and nineteen yards and fourteen games, even with a terrible situation.

957
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: Brown. I love Darius Slayton as well.

958
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: He's that one guy in New York who's an air

959
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: yards guy, Golden Tates, Sterring Shepherd underneath guys Evan Ingram's

960
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 4: a tight end. Barkley is a high volume pass catcher,

961
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 4: but he is a running back. Slayton could weed the

962
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 4: Giants in air yards even if he is let's say

963
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: the fifth target, and those are yards are going to

964
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 4: be very valuable at that point in the draft. But

965
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: I think the guy I'm most excited about is is

966
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 4: Marquise Brown. Because you're talking about a number one wide

967
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: receiver given number to target, probably because Mark Andrews is there,

968
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 4: but on a team that is going to throw more

969
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: that threw at like a league low rate last year

970
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: with and a quarterback who still led the league in

971
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: touchdown passes.

972
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: This guy is a he's super fast.

973
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,479
Speaker 4: He started his career with a one hundred and twenty

974
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 4: eight yard two touchdown game.

975
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: This is this is just like it's like the writings.

976
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: On the wall for Marku's Brown to just blow the

977
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 4: doors off of twenty twenty. So love Marcus Brown. I

978
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 4: think Steven Simms is a weight round sweeper. Now that

979
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: Kelvin Harmon's out for the year, you know he has

980
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 4: some appeal in deeper leagues as well. But I would

981
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 4: really just look at all the guys who were productive

982
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 4: last year start with that.

983
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: Oh and me Cole Hartman.

984
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 4: Mc coole Hartman is another guy, Like they're taking him

985
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 4: off returns so we can focus on receiver.

986
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: His quarterback's Patrick Mahomes.

987
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: You have to cover like three other guys before you

988
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 4: even remember that Hartman's on the field. I mean, you

989
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: talk about efficiency like m coole Hartman and he's going

990
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: as like the wide receiver forty wide receiver forty five.

991
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 4: He could easily be like a top twenty five receiver

992
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 4: just purely off efficiency on his like five targets per game,

993
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: and you know there's upside for more. So, like that's

994
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 4: a guy don't hesitate to take. I want Mcole Harmon

995
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 4: on every bench in every league.

996
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, certainly I'm optimistic on Hardman. I'm with you there,

997
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 6: Rayvon and McLaurin out of you know, I think there's

998
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 6: like the three big guys in this class, AJ Brown,

999
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 6: Terry McLaurin, DK metcalf as people you know, who could

1000
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 6: legitimately catapult themselves into the wide receiver one territory by

1001
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 6: the end of the season. And McLaurin, out of those three,

1002
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 6: is the guy that I tend to like the most.

1003
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 6: He was just so physically dominant last year, and especially

1004
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 6: now that Kelvin Harmon has gone. Although I don't think

1005
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 6: Harmon was going to challenge for all that many targets anyway,

1006
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 6: but now that Harmon is out for the rest of

1007
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 6: the season, you just look at that depth chart. I mean,

1008
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 6: Steven Simms, Antonio Gandy, Golden Quinn, Cody Latimer, I don't

1009
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 6: think any of those guys is really going to challenge

1010
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 6: McLaurin for targets. They don't have an established tight end

1011
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 6: all apologies to Jeremy Sprinkle and you know, the dream

1012
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 6: of Logan Thomas, and then really they don't even have

1013
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 6: an established pass catching running back. I mean, maybe Antonio

1014
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 6: Gibson plays in that role, but it's just really hard

1015
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 6: to know who is going to challenge for targets on

1016
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 6: this team. So I look at McLaurin and I mean,

1017
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 6: I think he could have the chance for you know,

1018
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 6: like a twenty six to twenty eight percent market share

1019
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 6: of the targets there. So there's a lot of upside

1020
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 6: with McLaurin. So he's the guy I like the most

1021
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 6: out of these second year wide receivers tags out of

1022
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 6: these guys, anyone that you were looking at and you're

1023
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 6: just like, you know what, I know, I shouldn't judge

1024
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 6: anyone after just one year of action, but I feel

1025
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 6: pretty confident that this player is not going to make

1026
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 6: it in the NFL and like a year from now,

1027
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 6: will be cut. I don't know if Hunter Renfro cut,

1028
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 6: but I don't like him. Like you know, the Raiders

1029
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 6: kind of told us everything we needed to know. They

1030
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 6: basically want to replace everybody in the lineup. And I

1031
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 6: know everybody talks about the yards per route run that

1032
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 6: he had, but it was all made up on a

1033
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 6: couple touches. Renfro is he's that short, area wide receiver

1034
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 6: that's going to play the slot heavy. And then you

1035
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 6: get Lynn Bowden on the offense. You get Ruggs, who

1036
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 6: I know he's he's dubbed is a deep threat guy,

1037
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 6: but he's really a guy that, like Jerry Judy, was

1038
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 6: more of a deep threat than and Ruggs was in college.

1039
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 6: It's just you want to get the ball in his

1040
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 6: hands on slants, on screens, on end to rounds, and

1041
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 6: then they they're talking about getting Josh Jacobs more involved.

1042
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 6: Darren Waller is still involved like quite a bit. So

1043
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 6: you start looking for targets and you're like Hunter renfro Is,

1044
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 6: He's the definition of just a guy. He is just

1045
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 6: a guy. So he's someone that you know, I in Dynasty.

1046
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 6: If you can get rid of him for something, I

1047
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 6: would do that right now. But yeah, he's definitely the

1048
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 6: one that on this list that I'm looking at, and

1049
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 6: I'm like jj Arthega Whiteside probably belongs in there too,

1050
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 6: But I'd rather take guy chances on Andy Isabella making

1051
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 6: a splash than renfro Okay, as long as you didn't

1052
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 6: disparage Andy Isabella, I'm good with whoever it is that

1053
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 6: that you want to say you're down on. I want

1054
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 6: to talk about some of these wide receivers who are

1055
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 6: either on new teams or with new quarterbacks, because there

1056
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 6: are a number of these guys. We talked about Keenan

1057
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 6: Allen a little bit earlier, Stefan Diggs certainly in this category,

1058
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 6: and He's an intriguing one to talk about. You have

1059
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 6: Tyler Boyd obviously with the new quarterback in Joe Burrow,

1060
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 6: Julian Edelman obviously new quarterback situation for him in New England,

1061
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 6: Brandon Cooks, t Y Hilton, Emmanuel Sanders, Curtis Samuel and

1062
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 6: Robbie Anderson. Out of any of these guys, who stands

1063
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 6: out to you because obviously that chemistry that receivers have

1064
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 6: with their quarterback is something that is pretty important. In

1065
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 6: this COVID offseason, it's going to be harder for the

1066
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 6: wide receivers to develop that chemistry. Any of these guys

1067
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 6: that you look at and think, you know what, I

1068
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 6: still think that this is someone who has the potential

1069
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 6: for a lot of upside and he's being underdrafted right now.

1070
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: Tyler Boyd got an upgrading quarterback. Can we say that

1071
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: about anybody else?

1072
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: I mean, Deontay Johnson, Hilton, Hilton got up quarterback?

1073
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.

1074
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 6: Say so too, But I mean it's not like a

1075
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 6: massive like Rivers didn't look great last year.

1076
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: Roethlisberger. We have some question marks about Emmanuel Sanders.

1077
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, Drew Brees like that's cool, but it's still Michael

1078
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 6: Thomas's team. But I say, Tyler Boyd, Tyler Boyd, you know,

1079
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 6: like a lot of targets in that first year that offense.

1080
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 6: He knows the offense. And now going to Joe Burrow.

1081
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 6: I mean, I am like literally when I do my projections.

1082
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 6: I'm sure you guys have those teams where you sit

1083
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 6: down and you're like I am speaking. I am one

1084
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 6: hundred percent trying to be like as low as possible.

1085
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 6: Like I know, I'm high on ag Green, So I

1086
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 6: tried to like suppress expectations for Burrow too. Like the

1087
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 6: entire offense, they just present so many problems. If Zach

1088
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 6: Taylor can actually call an offense, like you know, last

1089
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 6: year he was kind of screwed. He like, you know,

1090
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 6: there were so many things that went wrong. If he

1091
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 6: can call an offense, this team presents so many issues

1092
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 6: on the field, it's not even funny. Even even with

1093
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 6: John Ross, who's one of my favorite, like last picks

1094
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 6: in a draft, you just put him on there because

1095
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 6: I don't think t Higgins starts right away, all right,

1096
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 6: one guy, I'm a little bit interested in here.

1097
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: Sean Julian Edelman, would it be possible to say that

1098
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: he got an upgraded quarterback.

1099
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 6: Now, obviously Cam Newton is not going to have the

1100
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 6: chemistry with Edelman that Tom Brady did, but at this

1101
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 6: point in their careers, it is possible that Newton might

1102
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 6: actually be the better quarterback. That doesn't mean that's actually

1103
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 6: a good thing for Edelman, But how do you think

1104
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 6: Edelman is going to do in this new situation in

1105
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 6: New England.

1106
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 5: It's possible, but I'm not bang on it. I was

1107
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 5: going to say this earlier, but Nikhil Harry is the

1108
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 5: guy that I'm fading in near two and a big

1109
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 5: part of that is, you know, he failed to separate

1110
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 5: in his rookie season. I think that's going to be

1111
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 5: a consistent issue for him going forward. The good news is,

1112
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 5: I think Can Newton is a good fit for him.

1113
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 5: Cam always ranks pretty highly on the next Gen stat

1114
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 5: for aggressiveness, so he's willing to fit the ball in

1115
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 5: tight windows, so I think that's actually going to help

1116
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 5: Nikhil Harry. Again, I'm not going to draft him because

1117
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 5: he's going right around way better high upside or high

1118
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 5: four options. So I'm really not getting many shares of

1119
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 5: Men or Harry. To be honest, as as you know,

1120
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 5: TAX said, I think Tyler Boyd certainly gets an upgraded

1121
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 5: quarterback with Joe Burrow, Mameel Sanders, huge up grade with

1122
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 5: Drew Brees, and you know, yes this is Michael Thomas's team,

1123
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 5: but they haven't really had a consistent number two option,

1124
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 5: so I think he will provide that, So I think

1125
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 5: he's worth drafting as his current ADP. And the one

1126
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 5: guy that I don't think it even matters what guys

1127
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 5: under center would be Anthony Miller. I think either way

1128
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 5: he's going to be the number two targeting this offense.

1129
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 5: And people seem to forget last year. I mean he

1130
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 5: had a slow start because he was dealing with an

1131
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 5: angle injury, and I think he had a shoulder injury

1132
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 5: pop up, so you didn't really see until the second half.

1133
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 5: You know, Anthony Miller's ceiling. So I think he's going

1134
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 5: to continue that heading in this year and I think

1135
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 5: he's he's one of the best late round high four

1136
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 5: picks you can make.

1137
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: Raymond.

1138
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 6: One guy who stands out to me on this list

1139
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 6: is Brandon Cooks, who has really had a Hall of

1140
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 6: Fame group of quarterbacks throwing to him. I mean, let's

1141
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 6: take out Jery Goff, but you know, do worse than

1142
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 6: Jared Goff throwing to you. And now he has Deshaun

1143
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 6: Watson throwing to him. After starting his career with Drew

1144
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 6: Brees and then having a season with Tom Brady, Brandon

1145
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 6: Cooks is kind of made a living out of getting

1146
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 6: used to catching passes from you know, new quarterbacks. And

1147
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 6: Watson incredibly talented, and there are going to be targets

1148
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 6: available because DeAndre Hopkins is no longer there. What are

1149
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 6: your thoughts on Brandon Cooks in Houston?

1150
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 4: I like Cooks his upside because I've been very vocal

1151
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 4: about a guy we didn't even mention yet, but Will

1152
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 4: Fuller I think everyone should draft him in the seventh

1153
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: round or wherever he's going, because by that time, you

1154
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 4: have your three wide receivers, you have your you know,

1155
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 4: kind of starting lineup, you're running backs, your flex whoever.

1156
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 3: And will Fuller.

1157
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: Is a guy who you know has put up two

1158
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 4: hundred yard games last year, a guy who's averaged a

1159
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 4: half a touchdown per game since Watson was drafted, a

1160
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: guy who's median routes run percentage per dropback for his

1161
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 4: team last year was ninety five percent. So you know,

1162
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 4: he doesn't get hurt some of those games. You know,

1163
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 4: this is a guy's on the field every snap, four

1164
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 4: and a half catches per game. With Hopkins, there a

1165
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 4: guy who's averaging ten targets per game. Fuller has amazing

1166
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 4: upside to a lesser extent, because I think full is

1167
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 4: the better player, he has the rapport with Watson. But

1168
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 4: to a lesser extent, the same applies to Brandon Cooks.

1169
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks had a down year. The Rams couldn't get

1170
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 4: the ball down the field. He struggled with some injuries

1171
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 4: and kind of being out in and out of games

1172
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 4: as well. But but he has that same kind of

1173
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 4: upside that Fuller does. And if Fuller, indeed, you know,

1174
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 4: continues to miss games, Brandon cook slides into that spots

1175
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 4: and you have a true slot receiver now in Randall Cobb,

1176
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 4: which means like Kenny Stills is not going to be

1177
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: on the field quite as much, which means the air

1178
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 4: yards are going to be highly focused I think on

1179
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 4: Fuller and Cooks. So uh, Deshaun Watson. Air yards, as

1180
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 4: we've seen in the past, are extremely valuable. So yeah,

1181
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: I like Cooks a lot. I also like I like

1182
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: buying on t Y Hilton. I think, you know, this

1183
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: is a guy he's he's probably always going to be

1184
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: banged up up, you know, for for his entire career.

1185
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 4: But he's an incredibly consistent guy when he's on the field.

1186
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: And I think Philip Rivers actually changes a lot for

1187
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 4: him compared to Jacobe Brissette. We saw Hilton's like worst

1188
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 4: seasons usually with you know, Brissett or just some non

1189
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 4: Andrew Luck, you know quarterbacks. Philip Rivers, even though he's

1190
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 4: gonna throw some picks, he's still a guy that can

1191
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 4: throw at a high volume in a game, which is

1192
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 4: something they weren't willing to do with Brissette. And he's

1193
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 4: gonna pepper you know, we've seen him pepper his number

1194
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 4: one receiver with targets in a guy like Keenan Allen

1195
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 4: in in LA and San Diego.

1196
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 3: So I like buying on t Y Hilton as well.

1197
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 4: I think he's he goes a little too well, he's

1198
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 4: getting lost in there where he has that that top

1199
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 4: ten upside as well. If if Rivers and the Colts

1200
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 4: end up being kind of a more higher volume pass

1201
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 4: team than we think, because you know, their schedule is

1202
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 4: believe Sean has ranked the easiest if I'm not mistaken,

1203
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 4: so you know, they could be a little on the

1204
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 4: running heavy side, but I still like Hilton's upside as well.

1205
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 6: Raybon I should say that you anticipated me by mentioning

1206
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 6: will Fuller because we have a list of wide receivers

1207
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 6: here who are dealing with injuries or have some sort

1208
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 6: of injury tag that's normally.

1209
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: Attached to them, and Fuller, for me, is at the

1210
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: top of this list.

1211
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 6: And I'd say, on this list you have you know,

1212
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 6: ju Juw Smith Schuster was injured for a lot of

1213
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 6: last season. I think that's part of why he had

1214
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 6: such a down year. AJ Green is obviously on this list.

1215
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 6: Jarvis Landry has some injury concerns right now. Brandon Cooks,

1216
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 6: also with Fuller, has some issues with concussion, so that's

1217
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 6: another injury issue with the wide receivers on that team.

1218
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 6: Hilton is dealing with the soft tissue injuries we talked

1219
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 6: about Deebo Samuel earlier. Preston Williams is a guy who

1220
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 6: stands out on this list, and then also Deshaun Jackson

1221
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 6: uh is someone interesting. Alshon Jeffrey Mohammed Sanu two guys

1222
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 6: I don't really have any interest in. Honestly, I don't

1223
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 6: know why I put them on the outline.

1224
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: I mean, for all the.

1225
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 6: Jason Sternberger talk that we have, these two guys really

1226
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 6: don't deserve.

1227
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: To be on the outline.

1228
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 6: But Fuller, out of all of these guys who have

1229
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 6: some injury issues, is the one who stands out to me,

1230
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 6: and so tags I kind of want to get your

1231
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 6: general thoughts on Will Fuller. And then also I should say,

1232
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 6: I'm looking at a book right now and I noticed

1233
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 6: that Will Fuller has eighty to one odds to lead

1234
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 6: the league in receiving What are your thoughts on that?

1235
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 6: And how much of your total income are you putting

1236
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 6: into that bet? Eighty to one? I mean, it's not

1237
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 6: the worst bet in the world. There's definitely a lot

1238
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 6: worse ones out there. But I am not betting on

1239
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 6: Will Fuller's health. That ain't happening. So I might, I

1240
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 6: might if somebody gives you eighty to one odds. What's

1241
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 6: the Dwight Shrut quote that he has. If someone gives

1242
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 6: you ten thousand and one odds, you take it or

1243
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 6: something like that, Like, it's not quite that far, but

1244
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 6: I'll take five bucks on it. But in reality, most

1245
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 6: of the time with with wide receivers with injury. It's

1246
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 6: funny that we bring up Cooks and Fuller. I struggle

1247
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 6: ranking those two, like I don't know which one to

1248
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 6: put higher, because obviously Fuller has been a guy that's

1249
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 6: consistently missed games. And then when you look at the

1250
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 6: roster construction that the Texans have done, I started to

1251
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 6: one or they were gonna trade him just because like

1252
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 6: he's in the final year of his rookie deal and

1253
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 6: bringing in Brandon Cooks and then having a multitude of

1254
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 6: slot receivers that they had out there, it just none

1255
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 6: of it made sense. And then they were looking into

1256
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 6: Antonio Brown reportedly, so I was like, are they moving

1257
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 6: on from Fuller?

1258
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 2: So it's really difficult.

1259
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 6: I have to say Fuller because he obviously has experience

1260
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 6: in the offense, has shown he can he can work

1261
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 6: with Deshaun Watson. But I generally like players coming off

1262
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 6: injuries like not the same year. Like, so I'm staying

1263
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 6: away from guys like t Y, I'm staying away from

1264
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 6: guys like Debo because like like Asheon Jeffrey, I stay

1265
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 6: away from them just because I work like even in

1266
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 6: Jarvis Landry coming off the hip surgery, those guys I

1267
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 6: worry about. I kind of learned my lesson with that

1268
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 6: because I was telling people to take the discount on

1269
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 6: aj Green last year. Oh, he's only gonna miss a

1270
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 6: one to three weeks, and then obviously we know what

1271
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 6: happened from there. But the guys that were injured last year,

1272
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 6: people are almost expecting, they're calling them injury prone just

1273
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 6: to say it. I'll take the discount on those players

1274
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 6: because the discount basically that you're getting it already. It

1275
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 6: bakes in the risk that you have to injury, and

1276
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 6: obviously there's gonna be replaceable players this year. So I

1277
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 6: generally like buying players that are lessened their price off injury. Because,

1278
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 6: like Brandon Cooks, there are only I think like nine

1279
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 6: wide receivers who have finished top twenty four at least

1280
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 6: four times in the past five years. The list is

1281
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 6: Julio Jones, Mike Evans, Jarvis Landry, Michael Thomas, DeAndre Hopkins,

1282
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 6: Antonio Brown, DeVante Adams, Brandon Cooks, and Amari Cooper. Like

1283
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 6: Brandon Cooks is the only one there that's not like

1284
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 6: being considered as a startable wide receiver in fantasy for

1285
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 6: whatever reason. And he's done it with a lot of

1286
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 6: different quarterbacks, and we can't pretend that Deshaun Watson's a

1287
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 6: really downgrade from Jared Goff. So I'm definitely down to

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Speaker 6: buy some players off injury.

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Speaker 4: If Watson has finished as a top five fantasy quarterback,

1290
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 4: put up like top five numbers every year of his career,

1291
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 4: nobody in his offense is going in like the top twenty.

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00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 4: David Johnson even is like the closest thing at running back.

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00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 4: None of his pass catchers are like going thirty five,

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Speaker 4: thirty six at wide receiver Randall Cobbs somewhere, and I

1295
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 4: think the sixties or seventies.

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Speaker 3: Think about that.

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Speaker 4: If there's an offense that's undervalued, it's going to be

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00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 4: used to Sean.

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Speaker 6: I want to know will Fuller eighty to one? I mean,

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00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 6: am I being too optimistic here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I mean I'd rather have really at one hundred to one.

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00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 5: This mark is all about ceiling, So yeah, you're betting

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00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,479
Speaker 5: on him staying healthy. I would say, you know, fifteen games,

1305
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 5: he's got to pay at least fifteen games, so I

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00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 5: can get behind the number. It's a thing where if

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00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 5: he gets hurt, oh well, you kind of expected to

1308
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 5: lose anyway. So a market like that that's based on ceiling,

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Speaker 5: Fuller is the perfect kind of guy to target.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Out of these injury prone guys, I'm wrong word, they're

1312
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 6: not injury prone. But out of these injury issue guys

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Speaker 6: besides Fuller, who stands out to you, Sean Well.

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Speaker 5: I already mentioned him Deebo Samuel, and I want to clarify,

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00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 5: you know, Ravon made it sound like I'm excited to

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00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 5: draft him. I'm absolutely not excited to draft the guy

1317
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 5: that's a broken foot. Okay, it's more about like nobody

1318
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 5: wants him, so he's falling to this range where it's like, Okay,

1319
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Speaker 5: I think I can make the playoffs and most of

1320
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 5: my leagues with Deebo Samuel bench, and then when I

1321
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 5: get to second half of the season, was when I

1322
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 5: expect him to be healthy again. When I'm in the playoffs,

1323
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 5: I'm going to have this wide receiver two to three

1324
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 5: guy that I was able to get in the wide

1325
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 5: receiver forty range. That's the way I treat it. I'm

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00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 5: fully expecting him to miss time. But like I said,

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00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 5: this season's weird and we could get the start pushback

1328
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 5: and that's going to allow h more time to heal.

1329
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 5: So that's that's sort of the hit and upside with him.

1330
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 6: Preston Williams and Shaan Jackson are some of the guys

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00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 6: who are catching my eye here. What do you think

1332
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 6: about them?

1333
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been Jackson is the guy I've been drafting everywhere,

1334
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 4: and I started doing it when you could still get him,

1335
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 4: like outside the top fifty. So I'm happy about that

1336
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 4: because he is moving up. I think that, and I

1337
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 4: think Tag's mentioned it. Jackson's never been a high volume guy,

1338
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 4: but he's kind of been kind of like a poor

1339
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 4: man's I think version of Tyreek Hill in terms of

1340
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 4: like the targets, like he can get to like six

1341
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 4: seven a game, and in this offense, I don't think

1342
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 4: he has to do.

1343
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: I think he can lead.

1344
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 4: I project him to lead this team in air yards,

1345
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 4: like if everyone stays healthy, even if Jeffrey stayed healthy,

1346
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 4: I would expect Jackson to lead them in air yards.

1347
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 4: And I'm looking for air yards waiting drafts. I'm not

1348
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 4: looking for guys that I could pencil in for like

1349
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 4: four catches the game, because you're average of those guys

1350
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 4: are averaging, like, you know, ten eleven yards per catch,

1351
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 4: and I don't see the upside of them jumping guys

1352
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 4: and giving me value by jumping guys who were drafted earlier.

1353
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 4: So I'm targeting air yards almost exclusively once I have

1354
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 4: my starting roster, which could be comprised of whoever. But Jackson,

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00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 4: I think is a great pick, and I think Preston

1356
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 4: Williams is too. We got word that he's kind of

1357
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 4: ready to go. This is a guy who was just

1358
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 4: as productive as Devonte Parker when they were both healthy.

1359
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 4: Miami doesn't really have a clear cut guy outside of

1360
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 4: Parker that you'd say he's going to demand targets. Jane

1361
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 4: Gaily has never built his offenses around tight end, so

1362
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 4: I worry a little bit about GASICKI unless they're gonna

1363
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 4: use him as a big slot versus like a traditional

1364
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 4: tight end. But Preston Williams, you know, Gaile's offenses have

1365
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 4: always kind of high lighted wide receivers, and you may

1366
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 4: remember Marshall and Decker have these big years, you know,

1367
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 4: kind of two big guys having big years once Gaily

1368
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 4: came over there, so I wouldn't kind of role out

1369
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 4: like a dark horse. Preston Williams just like difference making

1370
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 4: season as a guy you could get essentially for free.

1371
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: So you know Jackson and Williams, I say, scoop him

1372
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 4: up along with mcole, Hardman and Henry rugg Waite.

1373
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 6: Okay, tags, I want to get your thoughts on Antonio

1374
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 6: Brown and or Josh Gordon.

1375
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Speaker 2: There's been news. You know, We've talked about him on

1376
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 2: the show.

1377
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 6: I know Raymond's over there rolling his eyes, but there has,

1378
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 6: you know, been some recent news at the Seahawks or

1379
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 6: I believe the word was like monitoring the situation with

1380
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 6: Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon. Any thoughts on these guys?

1381
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 6: Are they worth any late flyers? Or are you just

1382
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 6: staying away from them? I'm staying away. They're just gonna

1383
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 6: handcuff you and your roster. It was the same reason

1384
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 6: I told people not to draft Kareem Hunt last year.

1385
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 6: It's like he wasn't gonna be back until week ten.

1386
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 6: It just it holds you back because like guys like

1387
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 6: aj Green year with me like it handcuffed me, and

1388
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 6: I didn't want to drop other upside guys in my

1389
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 6: roster that I knew had a shot, and this year

1390
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 6: more than ever, you're gonna need some backup running backs

1391
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 6: in your bench in case you're starting running back is

1392
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 6: held out due to a virus or a fever, whatever

1393
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 6: the case may be. So you have to be deep

1394
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 6: at positions. And knowing Antonio Brown he suspended for at

1395
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 6: least eight games, he's not even appealing it. That's a problem.

1396
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 6: Josh Gordon, I think has a better chance, obviously with

1397
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 6: pot becoming legal and all that stuff. So if you

1398
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 6: want to take a shot on Josh Gordon with your

1399
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 6: final pick or something like that, you could hold on

1400
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 6: to him week one and you can cut him if

1401
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 6: if he doesn't make a roster. But someone like Antonio

1402
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 6: Brown absolutely not, Raybond, don't even do it, all right,

1403
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 6: Mike Gordon's washed.

1404
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 4: Like Josh Gordon was on a team. He was on

1405
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 4: the Seahawks last year. He said no, he didn't know,

1406
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 4: he did nothing.

1407
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 6: Just forget it, all right, Mike, What do you have

1408
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 6: going on a fantasy pros Basically, just make sure you

1409
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 6: check out all I work there. I've been working and

1410
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 6: I do the primer in season. It's a it's a

1411
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 6: paragraph on every player from every game it's like thirty

1412
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 6: five thousand words a week.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

1414
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 6: But I'm putting together a draft version of that, so

1415
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 6: it'll be the primer, the draft day version. It'll be

1416
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 6: out within probably a week week and a half so

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01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 6: that it'll be ready for you guys' fantasy drafts. That

1418
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 6: kind of goes through and talks about all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So's why I.

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Speaker 6: Put my heart and soul into And thank you guys

1421
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 6: for inviting me on. It's always fun to talk to

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01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 6: you guys. Yeah, always a pleasure to have you on

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Speaker 6: the show. You can follow Mike on Twitter at Mike

1424
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 6: Taglier NFL. In our next NFL episode, we'll breakdown top

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01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 6: twelve running backs.

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Speaker 2: Keep an eye out for that. You can follow Sean, Chris.

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Speaker 6: And Me in the Action Network Gap at the Underscore,

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Speaker 6: Oddsmaker Chris Ravn and Mattathew Workle pre Subscribe to and

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Speaker 6: rate and review the show and listen and download on Spotify.

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Speaker 2: We're finished talking