WEBVTT - #778 Packers Unscripted: Offseason overview

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my partner in crime West and Hodkowitz. We're coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you here from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes.

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<v Speaker 1>The mandatory Mini camp is here, which means this is

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<v Speaker 1>the final week of the off season program. And actually,

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<v Speaker 1>shortly after we are done recording this episode, we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>heading out to the practice field for the first of

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<v Speaker 1>two mini camp days. So here's what we're going to Dossell.

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<v Speaker 2>No no.

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<v Speaker 1>On our next show, which will be Thursday, we will

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<v Speaker 1>review Mini Camp and share our observations and our coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>press conferences, locker room interviews, everything that we get. But

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and this will be our final week of

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<v Speaker 1>shows for the off season. Then we'll be back during

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<v Speaker 1>training camp. So right now what I want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't give you a heads up on this,

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<v Speaker 1>This show truly is unscrewed.

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<v Speaker 2>I showed up like five minutes before the show and

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<v Speaker 2>you and you are.

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<v Speaker 1>At my mercy quite often in this setting. But we

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<v Speaker 1>are just going to use this show as an overview

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<v Speaker 1>of the Packers off season and how we got here,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna just throw some different questions at you.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them we might dive into some discussion. Others

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<v Speaker 1>could be quick hitters. We will see where this goes.

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<v Speaker 1>First one, for you, what was the in a very

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<v Speaker 1>busy off season in Green Bay? What was the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>piece of news that came out of twelve sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>Lombardi Avenue?

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<v Speaker 2>First off, when was the last time you and I,

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<v Speaker 2>in eight years of working together, have been like quick

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<v Speaker 2>hitting about anything that's true. We could talk for fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minutes about kicking competition, that's no issues whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>Things don't get so rapid fire on this show unless

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<v Speaker 1>we intentionally say this is a rapid fire sentiment.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, I'm gonna I don't want to It's something

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked at nauseum about, so I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be labor it. But it was the answers that Christian

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<v Speaker 2>Watson and Eric Stokes got regarding their hamstring injuries, because

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<v Speaker 2>I felt, like Mike, a lot of times we do

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<v Speaker 2>feel somewhat in the dark about injuries and exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>guys are going through. Tip of the Cap two to

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker Craft and Zach Tom They also were very forthcoming

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<v Speaker 2>about the shoulder injuries that they sustained, the peck injuries,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say sure throughout the off season program, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that helps the clarity of the situation, understanding

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<v Speaker 2>what these guys are doing and understanding where their bodies are.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's be honest about it, Mike, probably you probably

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<v Speaker 2>wrote the most salient, poignant, important story of the off

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<v Speaker 2>season last week when you looked at this whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>about receiver A one, A, one, B, whatever you want

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<v Speaker 2>to call it. Right the fact the Packers don't have

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<v Speaker 2>that traditional number one guy. But the reality is when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at Christian Watson's makeup, if he's on the field,

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<v Speaker 2>he is the guy that everybody has to take into

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<v Speaker 2>account for. It doesn't matter if you're a cornerback, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if you're a safety, maybe even a linebacker with

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<v Speaker 2>the way he sometimes will be in the slot. Christian

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<v Speaker 2>Watson is the ultimate chess piece if you can get

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<v Speaker 2>him on the field. And it feels like the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>were able to do that with going down to Madison,

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<v Speaker 2>getting the answers at Badger Athletic Performance Understanding that is

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<v Speaker 2>a resource the NFL invested into and something they could

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<v Speaker 2>tap Into. Was there anything in there that the training

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<v Speaker 2>staff didn't already know? Probably not, But understanding one's body

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<v Speaker 2>I think has become a really important thing because for

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<v Speaker 2>so long it might it was just NFL players. They

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<v Speaker 2>hurt in a hamstring injury, you stay off it for

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and you go back out there. There's

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<v Speaker 2>so much more to this thing. Watson, Reed, Dobbs, Melton, Wicks.

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<v Speaker 2>The list goes on and on of receivers the Packers have,

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<v Speaker 2>but when Christian Watson is on the field, the defense

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<v Speaker 2>has to take notice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and for me, the biggest news of this off season,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it necessarily qualifies as news, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's related to what was really the biggest news story

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<v Speaker 1>of the entire offseason, which was the change at defensive coordinator,

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<v Speaker 1>which if Hafley coming in. But in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>off season program and the news to come out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that there really is an attitude shift on the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive side of the ball. It's not just what the

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<v Speaker 1>coaches are saying. We're hearing it from the players in

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<v Speaker 1>the locker room in terms of the aggressive mentality, in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the different things that they're being asked to

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<v Speaker 1>do and the enthusiasm and the excitement for it. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still going to come down to results once that

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<v Speaker 1>ball kicks off in Brazil against the Philadelphia Eagles. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all about what you do on the field, whether you

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<v Speaker 1>win or lose, and the results that you get. But

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<v Speaker 1>there is no mistaking the attitude shift that has happened,

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<v Speaker 1>I think on the defensive side of the ball, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think the fact that that was confirmed by the

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<v Speaker 1>players that we talked to in the locker room over

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<v Speaker 1>the last several weeks. It's not just the coaches, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the players are feeling it as well. My next question

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<v Speaker 1>for you, now, this this doesn't just include like from

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<v Speaker 1>when the offseason program started. I'm talking about the offseason

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<v Speaker 1>in general. The most important player acquisition, whether you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>free agency, draft, whatever, the most important player acquisition the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers made this offseason.

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<v Speaker 2>Xavier McKinney. Josh Jacobs was important, especially when it became

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<v Speaker 2>known that Aaron Jones is not going to be back.

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<v Speaker 2>But Mike, when the season ends, you always have a

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<v Speaker 2>feeling of where the Packers need to improve. It could

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<v Speaker 2>be a defensive coordinator, it could be in a different

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<v Speaker 2>phase of the game or an aspect of the game

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<v Speaker 2>red zone, but player for player, it became pretty clear

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the course of last year they need a long

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<v Speaker 2>term solution at safety, and they put a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>resource through the draft into that position. But it all

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<v Speaker 2>started with twenty four year old Xavier McKinney coming on board.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually, it's funny yesterday one of the big topics

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<v Speaker 2>in a video I was doing with Tom Grossi during

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<v Speaker 2>his little telethon to not Little. It was a huge

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<v Speaker 2>telethon to raised over eighty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Congrats to Congrats to Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>For that because it pushes him over a million lifetime

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<v Speaker 2>for a little over three years of all this charitable life.

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<v Speaker 1>Incredible work.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things I told him about was

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<v Speaker 2>it is so rare in the National Football League to

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<v Speaker 2>see a safety of McKinney's caliber who started as many

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<v Speaker 2>games as he did, basically a starter since he walked

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<v Speaker 2>in the door of New York and he hit unrestricted

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<v Speaker 2>for agency at twenty four years old, and Brian Gudikuin

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<v Speaker 2>sort of talked about that this offseason. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect storm with McKinny. It's the reason why they really

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<v Speaker 2>highlighted him as a must in a top you know,

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<v Speaker 2>free agent target, and now that he's in the building, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what happens in training camp. We'll see what happens. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>he looks on the pads, come on. But the leadership

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<v Speaker 2>role he's taken with a very young secondary and the

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<v Speaker 2>way he's kind of jibed so far and meshed with

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<v Speaker 2>Jay R Alexander, I think it's really exciting and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think there's any other way you can say then

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<v Speaker 2>that was the marquee signing they needed it to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you talk about a captain, when you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about a guy that's still on the come up, I

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<v Speaker 2>think McKinney is everything you could hope for in a

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<v Speaker 2>free agent edition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's the classic. It's the classic Brian gutakunt signing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because when you go back to the other year in

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<v Speaker 1>his tenure is GM when Gutakuntz made the big splash

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<v Speaker 1>in free agency. Of course, that was twenty nineteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on that first day he goes out and

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<v Speaker 1>gets Zadarius Smith and Preston Smith and Adrian Amos and

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<v Speaker 1>these were guys that they had they had completed their

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<v Speaker 1>rookie contracts. They were not guys who were you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pro bowlers are all pros. But they were targeted. They

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<v Speaker 1>were at the top of the market, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>targeted because the Packers felt their best football was in

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<v Speaker 1>front of them. And for all three of those guys

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<v Speaker 1>on the defensive side of the ball in nineteen proved

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<v Speaker 1>to be right. Obviously, Preston Smith is still here and

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<v Speaker 1>still playing pretty good football, but all of those guys

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<v Speaker 1>played better football in Green Bay then they played anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>else in their careers, quite frankly, And that's what the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers are counting on with Xavier McKinney as well. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's that he's a player, a player whose arrow is

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<v Speaker 1>pointing up and the best is yet to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Because so many times Mike teams will lock down a

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<v Speaker 2>guy after that first rookie contract, you know, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't see them hit the market after four years. And

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<v Speaker 2>McKinney was a former second round pick, so there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a fifty year option type of deal right with the Giants,

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously they'd already messed around with the franchise tag

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit before that. But these are the type

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<v Speaker 2>of signings that when you look at the free agents

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<v Speaker 2>that come to market. You could do it for two

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<v Speaker 2>or three years. You're not going to see a player

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. Next question, most surprising news of the

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<v Speaker 1>off season, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Kings Lanning baris practicing. I mean that one most surprising news.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good one. I I was sitting I've told

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<v Speaker 2>you this story. I probably have said it down on

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<v Speaker 2>scripted too, but you know, sometimes people don't listen to

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<v Speaker 2>every one of them. We got done in Dallas and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a joyous moment that locker room. The vibe

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<v Speaker 2>in there, it was. It was right up there with

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen at the end to run the table the

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<v Speaker 2>regular season. In Detroit, guys were just over the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you see Kingsley kind of behind a pillar,

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<v Speaker 2>numbered Packers, defensive coaches condoling, consoling him. He has a

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<v Speaker 2>towel over his head. They're fearing for the worst here

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<v Speaker 2>that he tore his acl And probably the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it shouldn't be as big of a surprise as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm making it out to be is the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>a week later, when the season does end, after Santa Clara,

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<v Speaker 2>he's standing in his locker doing interviews no crutches, no wheelchair.

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<v Speaker 1>But confirming that he apparently tore his ACL. So that

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<v Speaker 1>left us all. We all headed into the off season

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<v Speaker 1>like what exactly is going He's walking around like everything

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<v Speaker 1>is totally normal, but yet he confirmed the injury that

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<v Speaker 1>we all had feared. So but a few months later,

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<v Speaker 1>here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>But it gets even weirder because the first week of

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<v Speaker 2>the off season program, we're not in there yet, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Evan Siegel's down there taking photos and eddig

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<v Speaker 2>Bari's running around hoops and he's doing all these athletic

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<v Speaker 2>exercises and I'm like, man, that doesn't look like a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that had reconstructive knee surgery, right. People are asking

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<v Speaker 2>about that inbox. I'm like, well, you know, sometimes guys

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<v Speaker 2>bounce back from these things quicker than others because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just predisposed to thinking that he had the surgery right exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>And no, he did not have the surgery. He had

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<v Speaker 2>an ACL related injury. And I've said this last week

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<v Speaker 2>in three things. I mean, he's been playing and looking

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<v Speaker 2>really good in practice. He blew up the two minute

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<v Speaker 2>drill for the number one offense last week, had forced

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<v Speaker 2>them to start kicking after kind of. I guess you'd

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<v Speaker 2>call it a sack or a disruption at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the third downplay in the two minute that set

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<v Speaker 2>up the field goal kicking competition. Yeah, Packers are super

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<v Speaker 2>deep there, Mike. I mean, that's the thing that's really

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<v Speaker 2>exciting about this thing. And Kenny Clark made that joke

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this offseason about our entire group. It's like this

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<v Speaker 2>big position now between the interior guys you know, now

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<v Speaker 2>married up with the the edge guys, but with as

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned, Preston Smith, Orshan, Gary King, Xiannigbari, Lucas van S.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Brenton Cox had some really nice work this offseason.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to keep them all in the field. But that

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<v Speaker 2>is shaping up to be one heck of a rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna turn back the clock a little further.

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<v Speaker 1>The most surprising news for me still is where the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Packers backfield is for twenty twenty four, because

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<v Speaker 1>I would not have thought in a million years that

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<v Speaker 1>when the off season began that Aaron Jones would be

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<v Speaker 1>a Minnesota Viking and the Packers would have Josh Jacobs,

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<v Speaker 1>aj Dillon a third round draft pick, and Emmanuel Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>that that would be the group that we'd be looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>Still hard for me to see Aaron Jones with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in these promo shots for the Vikings with their uniforms

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<v Speaker 1>and all that kind of stuff. But to me that

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's one of the most surprising off season roster

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<v Speaker 1>moves I can recall in my time here, which is

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<v Speaker 1>actually approaching. Well, this will be my nineteenth season here

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<v Speaker 1>coming up covering for Packers.

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<v Speaker 2>You and uh Mercedes Lewis there, Yeah, nineteen years. I

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<v Speaker 2>just put that together down. I arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>I arrived at Packers dot com in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>six right after Mercedes Lewis was drafted.

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<v Speaker 2>Whose NFL career is gonna last longer?

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<v Speaker 1>See, I think he's I think he's got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more to be proud of than I do. But that

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<v Speaker 1>being said, I'll move on to the next question. Anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is always a hard one, but who do

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<v Speaker 1>you see making potentially the biggest of the proverbial second

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<v Speaker 1>year jumps amongst the Packers rookie class from last year

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<v Speaker 1>heading into year two?

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<v Speaker 2>Carrington Valentine. Okay, now we have to see what the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity is going to look like. You know, Eric Stokes

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<v Speaker 2>is back. Carrington is a perimeter cornerback. But again going

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<v Speaker 2>back to our three things video last week and Larry

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<v Speaker 2>beat me to it, I can't believe the strides that

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine has made in five months, a little less than

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<v Speaker 2>five months.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just in terms of just in terms of his physical.

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<v Speaker 2>Statues, his physical makeup is remarkable. Ye. I mean this

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<v Speaker 2>is a guy again that played in the two, the

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<v Speaker 2>one eighties last year, was one of the lighter guys

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<v Speaker 2>on the roster. Looked like a twenty one year old

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<v Speaker 2>rookie physically, and he came back and he looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a grown man. And Larry I think had mentioned he's

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<v Speaker 2>right around the two hundred pound mark. Now you got

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<v Speaker 2>to make that weight work for you. You know there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot involved with that. But Valentine, man, this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what, dude, for a seventh round pick.

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<v Speaker 2>Who again, I'll say it over and over again because

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people will crap on mel Kiper, But

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<v Speaker 2>mel Kiper was begging people to take this guy in

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<v Speaker 2>the draft. He kept falling the fifth and he was

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<v Speaker 2>an early entry, early entry, could he still had some.

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<v Speaker 1>College eligibility left, and he's he's hanging out there on

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<v Speaker 1>the board. My point is he came to Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>not just as a seventh round pick, but as a

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<v Speaker 1>really young guy. Yes, and and and that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>even led to, you know, even a greater tendency to

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<v Speaker 1>just dismiss him, to say he's just a developmental player.

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<v Speaker 1>We won't see much of him for a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's not how it turned out.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's weird too, is I would put him up

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<v Speaker 2>there against anybody in terms of guys that were the

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<v Speaker 2>off season program, training camp MVPs. Uh. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that made himself undeniable even when the Packers were

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<v Speaker 2>so deep at cornerback and there were some practices that

0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Jaiere wasn't participating in. There were some injuries that had

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<v Speaker 2>happened obviously with Eric Stokes, but he just kept climbing

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<v Speaker 2>the depth chart, and to the point where when it

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<v Speaker 2>became clear that you know, Jaiere was going to miss

0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.680
<v Speaker 2>some time, Eric was going to be out for a while,

0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Russell Douglas gets traded, it became a no brainer that

0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.320
<v Speaker 2>he was a starter for the team. Twelve starts in

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<v Speaker 2>the regular season, was out there in the postseason. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the workload that he built up in the resume that

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<v Speaker 2>he built in year one, and then the presence of

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<v Speaker 2>mind to the determination to then work towards already improving

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<v Speaker 2>himself physically for the next year. You never know how

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna work out until you see it on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>But you asked me about second year jumps. Physically, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy's already made it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And the other guy, I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very curious about because of what we've seen from

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<v Speaker 1>just the change in his physical body as physical statures.

0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Colby wood in the defensive lineman he appears to have

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<v Speaker 1>put on you know, I think he's told reporters is

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<v Speaker 1>right around twenty pounds or so. Maybe it's in that

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen to twenty pound range. And again we have to

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<v Speaker 1>see how it translates to the field. Obviously he's also

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<v Speaker 1>going to be making a switch as all these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are into the new defense with the new coaching staff.

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<v Speaker 1>There very curious in that respect where things go for

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<v Speaker 1>Colby Wooden. I always like to reframe because, as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a tough question, the whole second year jump thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I always like to reframe it from the standpoint of

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<v Speaker 1>who's second year jump could benefit the Packers the most, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And there are two guys that come to mind for me.

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<v Speaker 1>One is Jaden Reid, not because he necessarily has this

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<v Speaker 1>huge jump to make, but when you talk about Christian Watson,

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<v Speaker 1>and as we've talked about in the receiver discussion before,

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<v Speaker 1>about how Watson is the guy that dictates how defenses

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<v Speaker 1>defend you, and they scheme differently when he's on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>If Jaden Reid makes a second year jump, yeah, he has.

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<v Speaker 1>He has the potential to be a guy that dictates

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<v Speaker 1>things to defenses in that same way. And so that

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<v Speaker 1>that's where I'm curious in that respect and what impact

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<v Speaker 1>a second year jump from a guy like Reid could have.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one I would say, in terms of who's

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<v Speaker 1>secondyear jump would benefit the Packers the most, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's Andras Carlson. Yes, if he can smooth out the

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<v Speaker 1>ups and downs from his rookie season and become the

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<v Speaker 1>kicker that the Packers drafted him to be, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who's going to be reliable and consistent. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>no kicker is perfect, but if he's a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>can settle in and establish his pro career in Green Bay,

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<v Speaker 1>for the long term, foreseeable future. I think that would

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<v Speaker 1>be a huge benefit to this team right now, with

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<v Speaker 1>all of these players on the rise and with Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Love trying to take this team to the next level.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you, And that's why we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about last week with Anders. You just hope the competition

0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.320
<v Speaker 2>you can get that you know where it's pushing you

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. You have those type of competitive periods

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<v Speaker 2>like they did at the end of last week's practice

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to really show who's the best. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Greg Joseph had a good comment on the

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<v Speaker 2>me vers me thing. That's what all kickers have to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Tim mass Day was really big on that.

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<v Speaker 2>He always said, even when he would want win competitions

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<v Speaker 2>or even when he'd be the only punter on the roster,

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<v Speaker 2>he always said, specialists is the only position where there

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<v Speaker 2>is no playbook. A guy can come in and play

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<v Speaker 2>the following week if they have to. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think having that healthy fear of your job can be

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing. And for Andres, the one thing I

0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.480
<v Speaker 2>always cautioned the fans about. I understand the extra points

0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.680
<v Speaker 2>were what they were. He still made his field goals

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<v Speaker 2>last year at an eighty two percent clip. Doesn't always happen

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<v Speaker 2>that way for rookies right out of the gate. That

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<v Speaker 2>was actually a pretty solid number.

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<v Speaker 1>But you have that's that's the thing is and I

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<v Speaker 1>think the thing that it's easy to forget because of

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<v Speaker 1>all the ups and downs that Carlson went through as

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<v Speaker 1>the year went on, but he started his NFL career

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<v Speaker 1>five consecutive games without missing a kick. He made every

0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.240
<v Speaker 1>field goal and every extra point for the first five

0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.520
<v Speaker 1>games of the season before the roller coaster, you know

0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing started. So that's that's part of his

0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.879
<v Speaker 1>body of work. It's something for him to draw and

0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.640
<v Speaker 1>he knows that it's there. The Packers know that it's there.

0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.520
<v Speaker 1>But again, as I said on last week's show, the

0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Packers are contenders. You can't you can't wait forever for

0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.439
<v Speaker 1>that position to come around you. You've got to have

0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.600
<v Speaker 1>a guy that you can really trust and feel is

0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna be reliable and consistent, and that's what the Packers

0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.080
<v Speaker 1>are hoping to get at the end of this competition.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a couple of more questions for you, but

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<v Speaker 1>Wes One. I think you got this one in Insider

0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.080
<v Speaker 1>inbox recently, but I'm gonna throw it at you again.

0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Who's return from injury from twenty twenty three would be

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<v Speaker 1>most important to the Packers in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>The answer to this, I answered it in a different

0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.119
<v Speaker 2>way because I answered from more of the emotional standpoint

0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.159
<v Speaker 2>of Eric Stokes. I think if Stokes is back, I

0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.960
<v Speaker 2>think the uplifting kind of presence that's gonna bring to

0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.080
<v Speaker 2>the team is gonna be important. Listen to Gyr Alexander

0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.040
<v Speaker 2>talk to talk about him and all these guys. You

0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.120
<v Speaker 2>could tell the I mean, mattin Flure's comments speak for themselves. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>very popular, very just a good human and I think

0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:29.280
<v Speaker 2>everybody kind of rallies around that. I will say this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I already talked about Watson, so I'm not gonna

0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.000
<v Speaker 2>go into that anymore. So basically, I'm taking all these

0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.320
<v Speaker 2>answers by the way, okay, unless you want to talk

0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:44.879
<v Speaker 2>about them. Luke Musgrave and Tucker Craft. You saw me

0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.399
<v Speaker 2>at practice that one day when Kraft came out with

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<v Speaker 2>the sling, Yeah, and I was so demoralized. Dubovsky even

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.600
<v Speaker 2>asked me, like, are you gonna be okay? Because I

0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.240
<v Speaker 2>was the number one person in inbox and on any

0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.800
<v Speaker 2>platform just riding the train about Okay, Musgrave and Craft,

0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.040
<v Speaker 2>it's time. They're both they're both established, they're both healthy.

0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.080
<v Speaker 2>It's all gonna work out now, it still will. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not worried about that. But then Kraft ends up tearing

0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the pack. Right. So but I'll tell you what, Mike,

0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.040
<v Speaker 2>those two guys together, when you draft back to back

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.879
<v Speaker 2>at that position, you're hoping one of those guys is

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<v Speaker 2>a year one contributor. They both contributed when they needed

0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.919
<v Speaker 2>to contribute, and they contributed in different ways. That was

0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the beauty of the way that Brian Goodcun's drafted that position.

0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Two tight ends, but two different type of guys. One

0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.399
<v Speaker 2>that comes from the West Coast. One that's an FCS

0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.240
<v Speaker 2>guy that's kind of the blue collar dude that took

0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.639
<v Speaker 2>himself from being you know this, this rough and ready

0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.119
<v Speaker 2>just make plays guy at a lower level football to

0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 2>a dude that was making plays all over the field. Yeah,

0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.239
<v Speaker 2>last season. So Craft and Musgrave together in tandem, if

0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:51.960
<v Speaker 2>you can get the two tight end stuff going with

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<v Speaker 2>those two, I think the possibilities mixed with those receivers,

0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:56.879
<v Speaker 2>it's just absolutely limitless.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. My answer, my answers are the same yours on

0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the defense, six of them on the On the defensive side,

0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.040
<v Speaker 1>you think mostly about Stokes and on the offensive side,

0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I think mostly about the tight end situation. Particularly we

0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.600
<v Speaker 1>saw Musgrave come back last year and then you know

0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:15.919
<v Speaker 1>he has the big long touchdown in Dallas that was

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<v Speaker 1>part of the blowout win in the wild card game.

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 1>But then now Tucker Craft has an injury to come

0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.040
<v Speaker 1>back from. Hopefully we see him back, you know, sooner

0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.720
<v Speaker 1>than later in training camp and all that. So those

0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.280
<v Speaker 1>are those are definitely the ones that that the eyes

0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:31.959
<v Speaker 1>are on the most as well as, of course Christian

0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Watson and what he means to this offense when you

0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.439
<v Speaker 1>think about the fact that he had a stretch of

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<v Speaker 1>what was it, eight touchdowns in four or five games

0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:44.880
<v Speaker 1>as a rookie, and then right before he got hurt

0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.720
<v Speaker 1>sort of for the final time last year, he had

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<v Speaker 1>just scored four touchdowns in a three game span, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the play on the far sideline against Kansas City

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.680
<v Speaker 1>where the hamstring goes out again and you're and you're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like he's just you know, finding his

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<v Speaker 1>groove again and making the impact that everybody knows he

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:04.800
<v Speaker 1>can make. And then he goes to the sideline again.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are all of those, collectively the obvious answers

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 1>to this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven catches in that game too. He was doing it

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 2>not just as big plays. It was a possession receiving

0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of game, and the Kansas City really struggled to

0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 2>find answers for him, and then unfortunately he ends up

0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.199
<v Speaker 2>tweaking the hams from one more time. So you just

0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 2>hope from that regard, in addition the fact that again

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:28.480
<v Speaker 2>another upfront, upstanding dude that has been very open about

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 2>what he's been dealing with. I mean, he won the

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<v Speaker 2>co Stand Up Guy of the Award from the media

0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 2>last year for a reason. Doing it in year two

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.160
<v Speaker 2>that's almost unheard of, And I think that's a big

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.200
<v Speaker 2>reason why. I think his teammates have He's for as

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.160
<v Speaker 2>young as he is, with him and Romeo Dobbs, they've

0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:45.080
<v Speaker 2>been able to command respect in that room because of

0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 2>the way they go about their business.

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<v Speaker 1>No question about it. Last one for you here, Wes,

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<v Speaker 1>What do you feel right now? Is the biggest question

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<v Speaker 1>mark regarding the twenty twenty four Green Bay.

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Packers probably the offensive line, because I just don't know

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 2>how the dominoes are gonna fall there. I mean, we're

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.960
<v Speaker 2>watching Jordan Morgan sort of lining up everywhere.

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Zach Tom's dealing with the packs That was you know

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 1>when you're wondering is he gonna stay at right tackle?

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Are they gonna move him around? Well, all that sort

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:22.200
<v Speaker 1>of experimenting and moving around sometimes can happen during OTAs,

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>like during this time of year. But then that's not

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 1>happening because he's, you know, dealing with an injury and

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:28.440
<v Speaker 1>he won't be back till training camp.

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 2>And does that mean when he does get back, you

0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:32.719
<v Speaker 2>let him settle in it right tackle? Then what does

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 2>that mean for left tackle? Then what does that mean

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.399
<v Speaker 2>for Jordan Morgan. It's just this this sort of I

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.040
<v Speaker 2>don't want to call it a domino effect because we

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know where the dominoes are falling yet, but I

0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 2>mean there's so many different contingencies set up right now.

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 2>And credit to the Packers, they're rotating guys around. This

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:48.879
<v Speaker 2>is the time you want to get those reps in.

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Morgan is being able to really cut his teeth at

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of different positions. There is some stability there.

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, Josh Myers is really locked down center. I

0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 2>thought he had his best year by far last season.

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Sean ryan Man has been the right guard the entire

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 2>offseason program. He has not given up on that and

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.480
<v Speaker 2>almost in a lot of ways, kind of reminds me

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:13.439
<v Speaker 2>when John Runyon finally took that next step yeah, and

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 2>was no longer in a rotation with Lucas Patrick or

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Royce Newman. Sean Ryan's been the guy there at a

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 2>position that could have been rotated around. I love Elton.

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I think Elton is a perennial pro bowler. I just

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 2>think that left guard is his home. That's the position

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 2>where he's done it. I think done it the best

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 2>He's done it the longest, So it just really comes

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 2>up to left tackle, and what do the Packers do there?

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 2>Is it Rashid Walker? Is it Morgan? Andre Dillard is

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 2>on this team now too. A lot to figure out,

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 2>a lot of options, but things if everyone's healthy, you

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:45.919
<v Speaker 2>do want to get those answers by the time you

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<v Speaker 2>really get far into training camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And for me, my answer to this question is

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit in the bigger picture sense. My biggest

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>question mark with regard to the twenty twenty four Packers

0:25:56.760 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 1>is are they going to be better at crunch time?

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Because you look at how last season went ended up

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 1>nine to eight, made the late run, got into the

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:12.680
<v Speaker 1>playoffs and all that. But but man, when you talk

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>about you know, the Vegas game, the Denver game, you

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>know the way some of those games ended, the way

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the crunch time performances were not there. Then against the Giants,

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.360
<v Speaker 1>you get a big crunch time drive by the offense,

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>but then the defense lets down in crunch time. Then

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 1>you start to turn things around. Whereat Carolina, the defense

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>folds in crunch time, but the offense responds and gets

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:40.520
<v Speaker 1>you the big win that you need. But then when

0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:43.120
<v Speaker 1>it came right down to it. In the divisional playoff

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.200
<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco, the defense had a crunch time let down,

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the offense had a crunch time let down, and your

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>season ended being able to perform better on both sides

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 1>of the ball in the final three, four, five minutes

0:26:56.440 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>of ball games. I think is what could could take

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:03.919
<v Speaker 1>this Packers team from where it was last year and

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>where it ended up to where it wants to go.

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 1>These games, the games in this league. I say it

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>all the time, Wes. I know I'm a broken record

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>with regard to this, but it comes down to how

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>you perform when it really really matters at the end

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 1>of games. There are very few games, percentage wise, there

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:24.880
<v Speaker 1>are not that many games in this league that are

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 1>undecided with six, seven, eight minutes to go, and you

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>have to be able to perform in crunch time. And

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 1>I think if this Packers team on both sides of

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the ball takes a step forward in that regard nine

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>to eight improves, your playoff positioning improves, and then who

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>knows where things improve from there. So that's my biggest

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>question mark.

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I did take that question extremely literal, and I apologize

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 2>for that.

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>No, no, you don't have to apologize.

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 2>No, because if that was if it was more about

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the big picture side of things, that's a great point.

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 2>You make my point, I'll make it very quick, is

0:27:58.160 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 2>is Jordan Love what we saw the second half of

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 2>season is sure, guy, And because you remember that first half,

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 2>it was a lot of learning. It was a lot

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 2>of stuff that he and both Mattleflur together were working

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 2>through to figure out this offense and everything. But my goodness, Mike,

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 2>the last ten weeks of the season, he was one

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:17.400
<v Speaker 2>of the best quarterbacks in the National Football League. If

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 2>you come out of the gates like that, He's not

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:21.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna be perfect. There's gonna be rough stretches, he's gonna

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 2>throw interceptions. It's the way things go for a twenty

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 2>five year old quarterback. But his ability to basically do

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 2>no wrong in the month of December is the reason

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 2>why the Packers got to the playoffs.

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah and yeah, I mean quite frankly, he had in

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>my opinion, basically from Thanksgiving on, Jordan Love only had

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>one really down game and that was the Monday night

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 1>game against the Giants, which he almost redeemed with the

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 1>drive to get the late touchdown where the Packers were

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>after a rough day, rough night on both sides of

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the ball. Looked like they were maybe gonna pull this

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 1>game out anyway. It didn't happen. But that was really

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the I mean, from Thanksgiving to the end of the season,

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>that was really the only game where you felt where

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you felt like there was maybe a step back with

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love and h And that's that's where my confidence

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>lies in him moving forward. Is that when he when

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>he did reach a certain level, I think starting with well,

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>really starting with the Pittsburgh game and a lot of respects,

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 1>even though the Packers lost that game and he made

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>a couple of mistakes at the end, but from but

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.479
<v Speaker 1>from there on, it wasn't this like roller coaster thing

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>where he looked great and then he looked you know,

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>he just he just had the one down game against

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the Giants during during that stretch run, and I think

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that bodes well moving forward.

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 2>He made some throws, man, he made some throws that

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 2>people do not make in this football league. Yeah, in Dallas,

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>he there was I mean, there was some moments there, dude,

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>that are special.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Now we know Mike McCarthy's old thing about great players,

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 2>good players and the ones you know, that good players,

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>good players at the moments of greatness and great player. Yeah,

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's where you got to take it. But

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I ended last season, man, I was thinking to myself

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 2>over and over again, these guys very well might have

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 2>done it again.

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, and I hope, and I hope for

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>years to come. That's what we're talking about here on

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>this show and everywhere else. But we got to get

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>out to the practice field because it's mini camp week.

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>So with that, we'll call it a rap on this

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>edition of Packers Unscripted. We shure to follow all of

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>our coverage all week long with regard to Packer's minichamp,

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.719
<v Speaker 1>and we will have another show later this week recapping that.

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 1>So for Wes, I am Mike, thank you for tuning in. Everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>We will see you next time.