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Speaker 1: Hi, gain everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I hope you had the

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Speaker 1: time of your life. Addition, as we look back at

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Speaker 1: one of the most memorable seasons in Bengals history. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: I'll be joined by my broadcast partner Dave Lapham, as

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Speaker 1: well as Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson, and in

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Speaker 1: addition to discussing our favorite moments from the Bengal Super

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since my dad, My father,

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Speaker 1: Larry Horde, passed away two nights before the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: at the age of eighty five. I wrote about my

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Speaker 1: I read part of that post to begin this podcast

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Speaker 1: as a tribute to a great role model. My parents

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Speaker 1: divorced when I was young, so I don't remember living

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Speaker 1: my dad always came through. Another early memory of my

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a nine hundred pound gorilla. And there's

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Speaker 1: no doubt and the Bengals have the modern Joe names. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: even the pressure that he was under in the second

429
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Speaker 1: half of that Super Bowl, they could have won that

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Speaker 1: football game. I mean, the guy is he's a He's

431
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Speaker 1: a special player. There's no question about it. But you

432
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Speaker 1: look at the teams. I mean New England Patriots the

433
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: most obvious example of it. They go a million times

434
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Speaker 1: with Brady and Belichick because the rest of the division sucked.

435
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't even have to get out of

436
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Speaker 1: bed to win the NFC East. No competition, so you know,

437
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: all year long, I mean, they're sweeping their division and

438
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Speaker 1: they got a leg up on it, and they're gonna

439
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Speaker 1: get They're gonna get a high seed. You know. They

440
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be Provision winners. They're gonna be one of

441
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Speaker 1: the four. They never were gonna be a wild card.

442
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna get a high seat and potentially home field

443
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: advantage through the playoffs because the rest of the division

444
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: just did not compete. This division who this division is brutal.

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Speaker 1: Winning the AFC North there's a much different dynamic. I mean,

446
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 1: that's the first goal, and that's as tough a goal

447
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: as there is in my opinion. I mean, I really

448
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: think the Bengals from one to fifty three were about

449
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: as solid football team as there was around the league.

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Speaker 1: You know. I mean, now, the La Rams, they had

451
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Speaker 1: their Hollywood superstars, and they obviously made plays and won

452
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, but they're I take the Bengals roster

453
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Speaker 1: one to fifty three depth wise over the over the Rams,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you. I'll tell you another team that

455
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: has a hell of a roster one to fifty three

456
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: is to Cleveland Browns. You know, they had some injuries,

457
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Speaker 1: particularly a quarterback. What's the common denominator? They both they

458
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: both quarterbacks were in their rookie contracts. So you know

459
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: they can they can really build a roster, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so there's a window there for the Bengals and uh,

461
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: you know Baltimore, the Baltimore Ravens finis the year with

462
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: twenty four guys on injury reserve, ten starters on injury reserve.

463
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: That football team. If they come back healthy and stay healthy,

464
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Speaker 1: that's the son of a gun too. I mean, you're

465
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: and if Pittsburgh gets a quarterback, we know what they

466
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Speaker 1: have defensively, we know they got a running game. They're

467
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Speaker 1: gonna have to work on their offensive line like the Bengals,

468
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Speaker 1: but I mean they've got some pieces now. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: the AFC North is top a tough division. You know,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, you know, Cake walks through the regular season

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Speaker 1: in the NFC, just Cake walks through it, you know,

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Speaker 1: when he was been with Green Bay. That's why one

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Speaker 1: reason I think he might consider it is, man, I

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Speaker 1: go somewhere else. I go to Denver in the SEU

475
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Speaker 1: West as opposed to staying competing in the NSC North.

476
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Speaker 1: I mean, man, so I think I think those are

477
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: all all big factors. But yeah, I mean can they

478
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Speaker 1: can they compete and can they win the division? Eh? Yeah,

479
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: but they have to. This was the perfect storm. They

480
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Speaker 1: stayed relatively healthy, other teams didn't in the division, and

481
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Speaker 1: they took full advantage of it, and then they started

482
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Speaker 1: playing their best football at the most opportune time in

483
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, particularly defensively. I mean they peaked defensively at

484
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: the absolute best time. So you know when you have it,

485
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: when you have a magical season like this one, and

486
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: it was right there for the grab and you just

487
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: couldn't quite grab hold of it. Man, that's top. That's

488
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: what's frustrating, because man, they got so close to finishing

489
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Speaker 1: it off and it was just they could. They could

490
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Speaker 1: have finished the perfect storm with it with a big ride. Man,

491
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Speaker 1: there's no question about it. But can it be repeated? Yeah,

492
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: it can be. Is it gonna be easy? Hell no,

493
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: not North. It ain't gonna be easy, There's no doubt

494
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Speaker 1: about it. So I assume Joe Burrow would be the

495
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Speaker 1: team MVP if all of us had to vote on that.

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Speaker 1: So here's my next question, who are your top three? None,

497
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Team MVPs LAP you go first. You know,

498
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Speaker 1: I'd have to say, Um, Joe Mixon for for what

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Speaker 1: he what he provides, not just from a physicality standpoint,

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Speaker 1: in terms of you know, when Joe Mixon gets it gone,

501
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: When Joe Mixon makes a big play, he lifts the

502
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: entire football team, he lifts the entire you know, fan base.

503
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: When he's at home. Um, he's he's kind of a

504
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: lightning rod that way, you know, So I'd have to

505
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Speaker 1: I'd have to say that, you know that Joe's up there.

506
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Speaker 1: You know, obviously it's so so much easier to pick

507
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Speaker 1: other guys offensively. Um, you know, the obvious connection between

508
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Speaker 1: you know, Burrow and Chase is you know, that's MVP

509
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Speaker 1: A like two. But I mean, I think Joe gives, uh,

510
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Speaker 1: you know what, what he provides his teammates in the

511
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Speaker 1: locker room and the intangibles, the leadership part of it.

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Speaker 1: I'd uh, I'd have to. I'd have to lean on

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Speaker 1: on Joe as being an extremely important player to the

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Speaker 1: success of the Cincinnati Bengals, Let's put it that way,

515
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Speaker 1: on and off the field, which I couldn't couldn't agree

516
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Speaker 1: more about mixing lap I endorse everything you say about

517
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Speaker 1: that he's on and off the field. I think I

518
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: circled over time against Kansas City. He was just absolutely huge,

519
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: and he was huge in key parts. Uh, you know,

520
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: they didn't give him the ball enough to string together

521
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: some dominant performances that you would think of. But you know,

522
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Speaker 1: big red zone touchdown in Tennessee, you know, um and

523
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Speaker 1: and and and carrying him on their back. And Vegas

524
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: and to me, the biggest game, the biggest regular season

525
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Speaker 1: game of the year, that win in Vegas coming out

526
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Speaker 1: of the bye. You know, it was huge. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm mixing all the way the other two.

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00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: I think what Jodie gave us three I would I

529
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Speaker 1: would obviously go with Chase, and I think I go

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Speaker 1: with Hendrickson on defense. I think Hendrickson was You just can't,

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, fourteen sacks, I mean that's just you know,

532
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: that's t J watsh. You know, you just can't. You

533
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: can't write that off how important that is. I would

534
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Speaker 1: go Chase. It's hard to go against mixing. He's the

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Speaker 1: heart and soul in many ways of the entire roster.

536
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Speaker 1: But Chase just transformed the offense so much. I mean

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00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: NFL networked at a top ten Bengals Plays of the

538
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: Year kind of thing a week or two ago, and

539
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: like the first six were Chase and they were just

540
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: such big momentum swinging plays. Those plays early in the year,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the half and every game that

542
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: just swung the game in the Bengals favor. So I'd

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Speaker 1: have to say Chase. Defensively, I kind of fall on

544
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: Mike Hilton, another heart and soul kind of guy. I

545
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: thought his leadership was off the charts. The kind of

546
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 1: accountability he brought to that position group I thought was incredible.

547
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: And I got to throw an Evan McPherson. I know

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Speaker 1: he's a kicker, it's hard to include him in an

549
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: MVP discussion, but the fact that the Bengals needed to

550
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: gain ten fewer yards on every drive to get points

551
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: because of his range, and then you throw in the

552
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Speaker 1: clutch factor with five walk offs during the course of

553
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Speaker 1: the year. If a kicker can be mentioned, is one

554
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: of your top three most valuable players, then he deserved

555
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Speaker 1: being mentioned. Yeah, I agree, and I'll tell you Jill

556
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Speaker 1: Mixon and Jamar Chase are the perfect example of all right,

557
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Speaker 1: a running back that's going to pound and do the

558
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: blue collar dirty be physical, pound you make you load

559
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Speaker 1: the box up, and then Chase kills you all can't

560
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: load the box up. Gotta go defend Chase. Now, Joe

561
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: Hurtschie and it's like pick your always. Do you want

562
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: to die quickly? Do you want to die slowly? You're

563
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: gonna die somehow? Which way do you want to die?

564
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: You know? It's one of those kinds of things. So

565
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: those guys are like the perfect cop kill of that

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Speaker 1: type thing. And you know, obviously Chase is the guy

567
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: that's going to make the big explosives. But if it's

568
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: not for Joe Mixon pounding away, you know, and making

569
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Speaker 1: that front step, that making defensive coordinators change the box,

570
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: and then now that trickles down to coverage changes and

571
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: more holes in the secondary. The Chase to take example

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00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: advantage of. I mean, that's a one two punch that's

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00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: as good as the original league in that regard. There's

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Speaker 1: no question. I remember when they took a Chase. I

575
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: talked to Brian Callahan, the offensive coordinator, and he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, we just helped our running game and our

577
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: offensive line because now they can't put they can't put

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Speaker 1: eight or seven guys in the box, you know, so

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Speaker 1: we just you know, now these guys are gonna have

580
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: to you guys are gonna have to back up, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I thought that was kind of interesting that they

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Speaker 1: felt like they were, you know, they were helping mixing

583
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Speaker 1: by drafting a left tackle, but by drafting an explosive

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. And guys, I'll tell you what the Chase

585
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: Ramsey battle, Chase landslide, no context, Chase overpowered and physically

586
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: the big physical Jalen Ramsey who intimidates wide receivers. Chase

587
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: treated him like his little brother, throwing t Higgins, tossing

588
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: him aside like a rag doll as well. Yeah, by

589
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: the face mask detail details exactly. We're not going to

590
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: let the facts get in the way of a good story.

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Speaker 1: So I pointed the Lap signal into the Cincinnati sky.

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00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: This week, we have a bunch of asked Lap questions,

593
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Speaker 1: or in this case, ask Lap, Butch and Dan questions.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to specifically start with one that was

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Speaker 1: intended for Lap. And these are actually two separate questions,

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Speaker 1: one from somebody named John, another question from a guy

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00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: named Brian. John asked should the Bengals consider playing Jonah

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00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: Williams at a different position? Brian asked, Lap, do you

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00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 1: still think Jonah williams best spot might be center? So

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Speaker 1: what do you think on that topic in general, the

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00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: notion of moving Jonah Williams from left tackle and possibly

602
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: even having him wind up some day at center. Yeah,

603
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean I think he could be a good center.

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00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: You know. I thought that from jump Street. I thought

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00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: that he had all the all the physical and mental

606
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: qualities and capabilities that are necessary to play that position.

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00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: You know really well. But I do want to I

608
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: do want to take a second here to say, Trey

609
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: Hopkins hell of a job, man. I mean, you talk

610
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: about coming back in a short period of time from

611
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: a reconstructed ACL are you kidding me? And to play

612
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: suck it up and play like you played. That's not

613
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: easy to do. It's not easy to do, believe me.

614
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: And uh, and he did it, and he's a grinder, man.

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00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for what Trey Hopkins

616
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: did and how he did it. It's and that is

617
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: not an easy accomplishment. And he pulled it off and

618
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: tap tip my cap to him. But my mindset on

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Speaker 1: this is depending on what they get in free agency

620
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Speaker 1: and in the draft, and you don't have to go

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Speaker 1: very far to find a model. Last year, the Kansas

622
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: City Chiefs, their offensive line get taken apart in the

623
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and Patrick Mahomes was serpentine and backwards the

624
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: whole day, running around, you know, like a chicken with

625
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 1: his head cut off, and having to make fifty yard

626
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: throws just to get the ball back to the line

627
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: of scrimmages. Seemed like m and so they said, all right,

628
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: we're going to rebuild. They signed to in free agency,

629
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: and they drafted too, and all of them end up starting.

630
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: You know, they got they got Orlando Brown and Tuning

631
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: at garden tackle, and they got Humphrey and they got

632
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: another guard and as rookies, and that was four out

633
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: of their five guys. In my mind, with the offensive

634
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: line right now, depending on what happens in free agency

635
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: and the draft, I just I put everybody in a

636
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: bag and I say, all right, who am my five

637
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: best blindmen and where can I put them? To get

638
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: my five best lineman on the football field. Identity in

639
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Speaker 1: my opinion is still he's a better tackle. Than a

640
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: guard because he has athleticism, he's got feet. He didn't

641
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: have enough leading his ass in my opinion to play guard.

642
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean he got he got overpowered by bull rushers. Inside.

643
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit better on the edge potentially,

644
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: So you know, and Joe, okay, maybe take a look

645
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: at Joan at center depending on what you yet, who

646
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: you're going to get in free agency, if you can

647
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: get a guarden tackling free agency like they did Kansas

648
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: City did, and then draft a center and a guard

649
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: or you know, draft to guard whatever it is, you know,

650
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, it's a it's a competition. Nobody has

651
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: a job, and nobody should come back after this offseason

652
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: thinking they have a starting job. You got to come

653
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: back fighting your tail off just to get a starting

654
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: position with the Cincinnati Bengals offensive line. And may the

655
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: best man win. And guys may be tried in different positions,

656
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: you know. Whoever, my five best guys are that I see,

657
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, kind of percolat and formulating out of that competition,

658
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: find spots from to play. And there may be guys

659
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: playing different positions than they played last year. There maybe

660
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: four out of the five guys, maybe new guys, just

661
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: like what happened with the Kansas City Chiefs. Don't know.

662
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: All I know is it's got to be open season.

663
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: Competition wise, get as many bodies as you can, good

664
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: bodies in there to compete as you possibly can. The

665
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: best man wins our Next question comes from Stephen. But

666
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: you can tackle this. Do the Bengals need to draft

667
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: another receiver with real speed? I like Tred Taylor, but

668
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: assuming Odd and Tape moves on, there is no real depth.

669
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: Am I right? That's Steven's question. Yeah, he's right. I

670
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: mean they were lucky this year. There are three guys

671
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt. I mean, I think they only lost

672
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: out of three guys. Out of a potential fifty one games,

673
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: they got forty nine. They only lost two Higgins for two.

674
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: They're lucky. So yeah, they got to finger takes gone.

675
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to draft somebody. I've looked, probably the

676
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: middle of the draft. Probably, I think. I don't think

677
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: I can't see him going out in free agency, but

678
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: I could see them spend an earth a third or

679
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: a fourth for a guy they think they can come

680
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: in and play. Next question, this is a combined question.

681
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: From our friend Austin Elmore and also somebody named Chris Lap.

682
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: You can tackle this. Why do you think the Bengals

683
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: have struggled with the draft and the development of offensive linemen. Yeah,

684
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: I can say that they haven't for the entire history

685
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: of the franchise. They got the best left tackle that

686
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: has ever played, and he's in the Hall of Fame,

687
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: and the best right tackle amongst the best ever in

688
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: the history of the National Football League, and he'll be

689
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame shortly Williamerson. It's not like

690
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: they've never been able to uncover and develop, you know,

691
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: talent Max Montoya the guard position. I mean, there's there's

692
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot of instances that you can you can go

693
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: back to, but that's going back aways obviously, and we're

694
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: talking about this football team. I know, people gonna throw

695
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Cedric away. He you know out there. Billy Price obviously

696
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: didn't work out, and at least they got some value

697
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: there with b J Hill with the Billy Price saying

698
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: they have a seventh round draft pick from the New

699
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: York Giants in this year's draft at eight picks and

700
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: the extra pick is as a result of that trade.

701
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: So it's kind of the gift that keeps on given.

702
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: But um yeah, hopefully they they identify the people they

703
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: identify in the draft, pan out and produce. But you know,

704
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: you look, you look at it. It's not like they

705
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: didn't try last year, second fourth and sixth round. And

706
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: I would not give up on any of them in

707
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: the second, fourth and sixth round right now. It's you know, you,

708
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: I remember what it's like to be a rookie offensive

709
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: lineman and man, you don't know what you don't know.

710
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: You're going against grown men. You're twenty two, twenty three

711
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: years old, and you're playing against guys you know, in

712
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: a lot of cases ten years older than you, that

713
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: have old man strength and old man knowledge, and sometimes

714
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: it takes a little a little bit to make an adjustment.

715
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I really I think I think Deante

716
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: Smith would have made some noise this year if he

717
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: stayed healthy. I think I think that kid has has

718
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: some some something to him, some fiber to him, and

719
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, work with him Hill. It was

720
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: a lot of times it was too big for him

721
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: as a rookie lineman. That doesn't mean it's always going

722
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: to be too big for him. From a mental standpoint,

723
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: you get overwhelmed mentally a little bit. But he's got

724
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: some physical traits. Now, so the guy the guys they

725
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: drafted in those three rounds, and then Jackson Carmen just

726
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: has to, you know, make football his number one priority

727
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: and trust his technique more than he does. He won

728
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: one player he'll show like, wow, that's that's impressive, and

729
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: then the next place, what the hell was that? You know,

730
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: So he's he's all over the board. Um, he needs

731
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: to be more consistent trusting his technique and football has

732
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: to become, you know, his one and only. He's got

733
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: a lot of interest. Football has to be the paramount interest.

734
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't give up on

735
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: developing those three guys. I was, okay if by asking stuff,

736
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: I mean needing to ask you this for for a

737
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: while and I'm just now this discussion has spurred it.

738
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: But do you think it's hotter in the last three,

739
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: four or five years? Is it hot to for an

740
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: offensive lineman? They come into the league now, maybe more

741
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: so than earlier than maybe ten years ago, just because

742
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: of the style they play in college. They're playing seven

743
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: on seven in college, and it just seems like the lineman.

744
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: It's just it's just seems like a different game now

745
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: when they come up here. I was wondering about that.

746
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: Do you think it takes longer now to get entrenched? Yeah,

747
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think that, uh necessarily in um

748
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: in college football that they teach great pass protection technique,

749
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's it's I look at a

750
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: lot of offensive linemen and the way they they're past protecting,

751
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: what they're doing, it's it's it's not going to translate

752
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: very well in the National Football League. But I'll tell

753
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: you haven't played in an era where you couldn't use

754
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: your hands and then you know, you have to keep

755
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: your hands under your chest, and you were just a

756
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: punching bag. I mean they could head slap that, they

757
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: could do anything they wanted to you, and you couldn't

758
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: even defend yourself. Pass protection past protection was like miserable.

759
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's why you only threw a twenty twenty

760
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: five times a game, because it was like you couldn't

761
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: you couldn't keep these great athletes away from your quarterback

762
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 1: long enough. I mean, you are a human punching bag,

763
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, for treating give the ground grudgingly and just

764
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: getting smacked around, and all you wanted to do is run,

765
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: block and knock people off the line of scrimmage. And

766
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: if you've gotten third and eight, it was like, oh god,

767
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, here we go. It's going to be a

768
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: double head slap. Both my ears are going to be ringing,

769
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: you know, and everything else. So it's it's much it's

770
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: a much different game now. And when they liberalized, it

771
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh. I mean, it's like you

772
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: let out of prison when I was able to extend

773
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: your hands and arms and was like, oh man, this

774
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. So I mean, there's there's yin and yang,

775
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: there's given take to it. But I mean, obviously the

776
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: athletes are getting bigger, faster, better or stronger all that stuff.

777
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: But I think it's just all I'm not sure at

778
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: the collegiate level that the technique that's being taught the

779
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: offensive linement from a past protection standpoint, and I don't

780
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: think they necessarily. All they say is, you know, keep them,

781
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: keep them occupied for a couple of seconds. Guys, that's

782
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: all we need. And I know you need a little

783
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: bit more than that. In the National Football League, you know, um,

784
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think, uh, there's still an adjustment, still

785
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: a big time adjustment coming from college football and National

786
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: Football League. For that reason, I think our next question

787
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: comes from a Woogie the Goats. How likely is it

788
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: that the Bengals extend Eli Apple? What do you think?

789
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think it's a possibility. I

790
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: think they gotta make some Hay in some other places first.

791
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: I think they you know, I think they like what

792
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: he did. I mean, I I know he's getting h

793
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: he's getting grilled for what happened in the super Bowl.

794
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: But I mean, Giez, you know, I mean, I I

795
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, just think if you didn't have him, you know,

796
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he was a guy that really

797
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: really helped them. Clearly corners a position that they that

798
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: they have to look at. But yeah, I think they'll

799
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: take a look at bringing him back. But you know,

800
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: I think they gotta make I think they got to

801
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: make Hay in some other places first, and then they'll

802
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: look at that safe to assume that Trey Waynes as

803
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: a cap casualty, yeah, you'd have to think. So, I

804
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: don't know, Lapp, what do you think I'm I'm I'm

805
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: thinking that that's that's a big number for a guy

806
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: that I think what he played. How many snaps did

807
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: he play in his two years? Two hundred and fifty? Yeah,

808
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: I mean the there's a lot, as the old saying goes,

809
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: a lot of abilities are necessary in the biggest availability,

810
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: and he certainly wasn't, you know. So Uh the fact

811
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: that that he didn't, it just didn't pan out for

812
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: him physically. Uh. And it's sad because I think I

813
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: think if he'd stayed healthy, he could have contributed. He

814
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: could have contributed pretty darn well. I mean, they paid

815
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: him that money for a reason, and it was a

816
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: good reason. I agree with you with respect to Apple,

817
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I think it's going to be.

818
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: If he's looking to hit the lottery, think I'll resign him.

819
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: But if he's reasonable, you gotta have somebody. You got

820
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: have bodies back there who the hell they got, you know?

821
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean, if if if one becomes a cap casually

822
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta sign the other one until at

823
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: least you go into um, you know, the draft, or

824
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: if you don't get anybody else in free agency, you

825
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: have to. But I think it has to be a

826
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: reasonable deal for him to be resigned. I don't think

827
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: you know, his his his agent, his people. Can you know,

828
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,479
Speaker 1: can can go to the Bengals trying to break the bank.

829
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: So I agree, I think, you know, I I think

830
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: the Beans will approach free its just like they always have.

831
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna sign the guys their own that they feel like,

832
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, they need to bring back and keep the

833
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: continuity and all that sort of thing. That's what they're

834
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: going to attack first and foremost. And he's one of them.

835
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: Let me follow up with that lap what happens with

836
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: Jesse Bates in your opinion? You know, he may get

837
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: tagged initially, but that one's going to be interesting because

838
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: obviously during the regular season, I think you know, he'll

839
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: he'll he'll admit that he didn't play up to his standard,

840
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, the standard the heat stats for himself. I

841
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: think he kind of got in his head a little bit.

842
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: But the playoffs, down the stretch, down the stretch when

843
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: they needed them, and in the playoffs he might have

844
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: been he might have been defensive MVP, you know, in

845
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs and down the stretch of the regular season,

846
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: nobody played any better than him. And I'm hearing all

847
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: kinds of defensive backs, former safety's, former defensive back on

848
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: these shows, you know, doing wrap ups of the Super

849
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Bowls and then the season in general. The playoffs all

850
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: raven about Justin Bates, you know, and how well he played.

851
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: So M yeah, I think I think eventually, hopefully they

852
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: can get it done. But it wouldn't be surprised. I

853
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked to see him tagged. And you know,

854
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: you can always remove it to sign him and remove

855
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: it to allow him to become a free agent. But

856
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: I think wouldn't shock me to see him tag at

857
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: some point here. Next question comes from Jake. What you

858
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: can tackle this one? Who would be the number one

859
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: free agent you would sign if you were the GM.

860
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: We can all take a run at this question. Who

861
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: would be your number one free agent of choice? That's

862
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: a good one. I mean, I guess the kid from

863
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: the Orleans, but the left tackle from the Walleans. But

864
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna be twenty million a year, so I don't know.

865
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thank him. I think I might go,

866
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, give him the price. I don't think there's

867
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think they're too best options are to

868
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: resign Hill and Hill and Ogan Joby, And if I

869
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: was gonna go, if I was going to get a

870
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: player in free agency, I might go like the Connor

871
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: Williams route from Dallas. A strong you know, a good

872
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: interior player that doesn't break the bank, that you know

873
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: that's going to come in and play still young, you know,

874
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: like twenty five until May, right right, you know, I

875
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: could you know Jank you know, uh, the center in Tampa.

876
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: Jensen is interesting, but he's gonna be thirty one years

877
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna be thirty one years old, right,

878
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't know. Uh. I think

879
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: I'd rather go with a nice you know, kind of

880
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: what they did last year. They got those guys in

881
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: the second contracts, you know, fresh twenty five, twenty six.

882
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: If you get a guide like that, like Williams, I

883
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: think that's what I do. All right, Lap, you've got

884
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: the unlimited check book? Who are you signing? I'm limited

885
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: check book? An Armstead. I trought them all, but you

886
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,959
Speaker 1: know I could see Connor Williams. The only thing about

887
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: him is helly at thirteen penalties. Last year, Dallas led

888
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: the National Football League and penalties he had thirteen of them.

889
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: Man that's that's a that's a that's a penalty machine

890
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: right there. He's got to, you know, do a better

891
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: job with keeping his hands inside the framework of a body.

892
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: And that's not the only thing. It wasn't just holding penalties.

893
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: He had some pre snap issues and things of that nature.

894
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: That so that one, you know, would be a little

895
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: bit of concern to me. But again, like you guys

896
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: are saying, he's in a price range that's reasonable. But

897
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: a guy who's he's not his spring chicken anymore either.

898
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: But this kid played at Anderson High School, he went

899
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: to Ohio State, and he was an undrafted player, going

900
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: to the National Football League to Carolina, made the Pro Bowl,

901
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: made All Pro. Now he's finishing up with the Jaguars.

902
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: Andrew Norwell is a guy that I think would be

903
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: in a situation, boy, you come back, you know, like

904
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: the State of Ohio deal Joe Joel Burrow, Sam Hubbard,

905
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: Andrew Norwell. Bring another guy that played his height, you know,

906
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: Kevin Hubert. Another guy that played his high school in

907
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: college football here in the state of Ohio and let

908
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: him have his last contract here. He's he's a guy

909
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: that could solidify, you know, helps solidify things inside. He

910
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't cost a fortune. He got a big He got

911
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: a huge deal going from Carolina to Jacksonville. He was

912
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: the highest paid lineman you know if I think it

913
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: was five years, sixty six million bucks, something like that.

914
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: But you're not going to get any kind of deal

915
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: like that now. I think it would be a reasonable

916
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: situation if he's still playing at a high enough level.

917
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of a lot of

918
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: factors there. And I know, you know, my understanding is

919
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: his uh you know, his parents are a little bit

920
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: not in great health, and for him to be close

921
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: by would be a factor. But who knows, who knows

922
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: if all those things can be worked out, But that

923
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: that guy would be somebody that i'd uh, you know,

924
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: i'd potentially target. And I don't I don't know if

925
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: uh you know, if dolls make sense. I do know

926
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: that he's got an agent that can be tough to

927
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: deal with. Through Rosenhouse, There's no no doubt about that.

928
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: He can be difficult. Thing about Drew though, they'll make

929
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: a deal. They'll make a deal, you know. I kind

930
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: of the thing about Rosenhouses. You know, he's tough, But

931
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: if he sees the fit. If he sees the fit

932
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: with Cincinnati and Nowell in the club, they'll make it happen.

933
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: These other guys will, you know, they'll go on vacation,

934
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: or they'll serve, or they'll he won't hear from him,

935
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: but you know, Drew's working the phones. So my free

936
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: agent of choice is Brandon Schurf and hear me out here,

937
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: hear me out here. So each of the last couple

938
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: of years, obviously the Bengals have spent a ton of

939
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: money in free agency, and they still, when possible, try

940
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: to find that guy who might be a little bit

941
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: less expensive, but they see something in that person that

942
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: they think, all right, we can get something out of

943
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: this guy that, for whatever reason and hasn't happened yet

944
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: should obey. A Woogier the perfect example of that. One

945
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: of the best corners in the NFL, and relatively speaking,

946
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: they got him at a bargain basement price. But they've

947
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: also spent big on a guy each of the last

948
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: two years. They made Dj Reader the highest paid nose

949
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL. When they got that deal done,

950
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: they made Trey Hendrickson one of the highest paid edge

951
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: rusher's not at the very top of the scale, but

952
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: obviously making a ton of money. So for me, Brandon

953
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: Shurf can be that guy this year. Now he's a guard,

954
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: he's not a tackle, so he's not going to make

955
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a year. He might make fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,

956
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, something like that. But he's a five

957
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: time pro bowler, he's thirty years old, tremendous player. Let's

958
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: get one of the very best in the league into

959
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: the middle of that offensive line. And you know, I

960
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: hate to take up a big chunk of my available

961
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: cap dollars on one guy, but if he can make

962
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: that much of a difference, I'm willing to I'm willing

963
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: to pay it. Now that people, you probably prevent you

964
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: from keeping both Ogan joeb By and b J. Hill.

965
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: You probably have to pick one or the other or

966
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: moves like that. But that's that's where I'm feeling. As

967
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: of February the twenty third, I was gonna say he

968
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: didn't give up a sack last year. He didn't give

969
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: up one, So I mean, he's he's definitely the guy.

970
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: But you're right, Dan, he's going to be He'll be

971
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: a you know, fifty million dollars a year fifty five

972
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: million dollars, not a year fifty five million dollar package,

973
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: three years whatever. Yeah, and the one difference from this

974
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: year to those two other years when they paid a guy,

975
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: the guy they've already paid is going to be Bates

976
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: at thirteen million if they tag him. Yeah, right, that

977
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: might be the chunk. Yep, all true, all true, but

978
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: a man can dream, all right. Our next question. Our

979
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: next question comes from Greg. I'll send this one a

980
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: you Lap. Would you trade the angles number one draft

981
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: pick this year for Laramie Tunsil of the Texans? There

982
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: would there would be uh, I'd be I'd be intrigued potentially,

983
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: But you know, because it's it's obviously the thirty first

984
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: pick in the in the in the first round, I

985
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: wonder if they would accept the trade. It would probably

986
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: take more than that, quite honestly, that's what I'm thinking.

987
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure that I would. That's basically

988
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: a high two, you know, late one, high two or whatever.

989
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean. I think I think you'd have to sweeten

990
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: the pot a little bit. I mean, if if we're

991
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: just that, i'd you know, i'd have to be that'd

992
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: be pretty tempting to do. Yeah, but I just I

993
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: don't see that. Uh. You know, a trade has to

994
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: satisfy both parties, and I'm not sure that that would necessarily.

995
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: I think he makes you know, I think he makes

996
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: eighteen milk for two more years. Yeah, so you give

997
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: him eighteen milk per year. I mean it's like eighteen

998
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: milk per year, right, correct? Yeah? I mean so now

999
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: you're now you're knocking yourself out of Ogan Jovian Maybe Hill,

1000
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, twenty seven years old, two time

1001
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: pro bowler, one of the best at his position. I

1002
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: think if if they only wanted the thirty first pick

1003
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: in the draft, I would do it, even despite the money.

1004
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: But I would think the Texans would want more than that.

1005
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: They paid a lot more to get up than that,

1006
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: so that's probably unlikely. All right, Let's get in a

1007
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: couple more questions and then I'll let you go. Next

1008
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: question comes from Raymond. Send this one you're way butch

1009
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: forty eight seconds to go third down? And one why

1010
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: not mixing? Probably asking the wrong guy, Raymond, did you

1011
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: say did you send that in under the name Raymond?

1012
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: You know, I can only you know what's your middle names?

1013
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: Everybody does not love Raymond. But I think, but I

1014
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: I think third and one, you know, I think you

1015
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: just have to go by what Zach said. I mean,

1016
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he said he was faced with putting mixing

1017
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: in the game. He didn't want to really screw with

1018
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: the package, the two minute drill, and you know, I mean, yeah,

1019
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: if it's me, I'm I'm you know, you know, you

1020
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 1: know me, I'm I'm I got Borrow Wonders Center giving

1021
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: it to mixing, and if not, on fourth one, I

1022
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: got Borrow Wonders Center sneaking it. But you know, again,

1023
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: Zach had his reasons. He was in a two minute mode.

1024
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: He's trying to score, he's trying to win the game,

1025
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: he's trying to win the Super Bowl. I can't fault

1026
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: him by saying, Okay, I'm gonna stick with us. You know,

1027
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: I think what they thought and in the reason he sound,

1028
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: I think they thought with p right in the game,

1029
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: they're thinking they're not going to run, right, and they didn't.

1030
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't. It didn't happen. So I think

1031
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: that's I think that's the answer. They they figured they

1032
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: weren't going to run in that look, and they tried

1033
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: to run well. And I'll say as a former alignment that, um,

1034
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be happy with what I did at the

1035
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. I'm not sure Jerry Brown with a

1036
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: running back would have been a first down. I mean,

1037
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: you've got to get a little bit better movement and

1038
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: finish the block a little bit better than than took place.

1039
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: You know, So I don't know. Um. You know, like

1040
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: I say, I'm not gonna second guess the guy. The

1041
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: guy got him. You know, I'm not gonna second guess

1042
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: Zack because he got him into the super Bowl. So

1043
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: who am I? You know, that's just what I would

1044
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: have done, But I you know, who knows. Maybe you know,

1045
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: like Lap said, maybe maybe mix and would have get

1046
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: stopped too. You don't know, all right. Our final question

1047
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: comes from Tyler. This is for you Lap. Tyler's question is,

1048
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 1: please tell me that Lap is coming back next year.

1049
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: Not to play. No, no, not to play. How much

1050
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: do you want? I would just request that you two

1051
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: guys speak at my funeral because if I came back,

1052
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: it would be a quick death. So uh yeah, no.

1053
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: My plan is to definitely uh join the Hall of

1054
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: Famer in the UH the four time Ohio broadcast of

1055
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: the year being Hoard in the Booth. That's your lap.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate your time. Look forward to doing more of

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