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Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, April tenth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're ready to

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Speaker 1: put the team on our back though. It's me your

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Speaker 1: man named g Marcus Grant, joined by Michael F. Florio

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Speaker 1: and Lakwan Jones. I know this is a a audio

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Speaker 2: It's out of control.

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Speaker 1: You got Lakwan doing the do rag. Mine's just kind

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Speaker 1: that people don't see us today. We will be will

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Speaker 1: be a little bit more well behaved for Thursday in

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Speaker 1: the Fantasy cheat sheet. So uh you ready for that?

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Speaker 1: Here we are. It is about two weeks and a

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Speaker 1: day away, yes, from the NFL Draft kicking off. How

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Speaker 1: many more prospects do you guys think you can watch

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Speaker 1: or how many more prospects do you plan to watch

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Speaker 1: between now and then?

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Speaker 3: Man, I got a couple more running backs I want

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Speaker 3: to hit on because I feel like there's the one

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Speaker 3: sleeper that we're not really talking about that's going to

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Speaker 3: end up in a really, really good situation, and like

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Speaker 3: I just need to evaluate like all the running backs.

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Speaker 3: That's just where I'm at with it.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get as deep, like deeper with wide

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Speaker 2: receivers than I've ever gone in the past. Like I

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Speaker 2: last year, I remember I watched like fifteen and I

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Speaker 2: was like, Oh, there's no way these fifteen are all

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Speaker 2: going to make an impact. And this year it feels

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Speaker 2: like you go twenty deep and you still feel like

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Speaker 2: there's there's more players that can make an impact that

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Speaker 2: you haven't watched yet. So trying to cross off all

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Speaker 2: the receivers but before then, but yeah, these next two

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Speaker 2: weeks are probably going to be lots of doing stuff

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Speaker 2: like that, and then it it kind of comes and

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Speaker 2: then the landing spots will change all of our opinions

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Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy, though, you're looking at it from

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Speaker 3: a different perspective because you're a team fan that needs

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Speaker 3: wide receivers right now, I know you're in the deep

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Speaker 3: of the tent trenches trying to find that one guy

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Speaker 3: that will match up with your picks man, I get it.

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Speaker 2: It's that it's also just like to me, I feel

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Speaker 2: like wide receiver is a position where their talent can

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Speaker 2: where I feel like some like it's they're all landing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk wide receivers probably like next week. Next

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Speaker 1: week's show. We're gonna preview some quarterbacks on today's show.

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Speaker 1: But you know, kind of looking ahead, have you found

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Speaker 1: a guy that you secretly would like the Bills to draft? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I found a few, Lad mcconucke. Yeah, he is. He's

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Speaker 2: my wide receiver full right now in this class. I

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Speaker 2: think he's the best after the Big three. I like

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Speaker 2: Ricky Pearson later on. But if they could get you know,

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Speaker 2: like like a Troy Franklin or a key On Coleman

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Speaker 2: with don't I know they can't get all of these guys,

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Speaker 2: but I think like you get a speedy slot guy

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Speaker 1: All right? All right? Is Troy Franklin just a better

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Speaker 1: Gabe Davis?

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Speaker 2: No? I so I have like notes because I'm very

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Speaker 2: bad at memorizing everything, but I do not I compared.

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Speaker 2: I gotta find who it was that I compared to

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Speaker 2: Troy Franklin, I said, Jalen Hyatt or Robbie Anderson. But

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Speaker 2: there was someone who I wrote, Gabe Oh xavierly Get,

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Speaker 2: I said, he is. He's gonna be the next Gabe Davis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's shrieked size and he has that speed. I

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Speaker 3: could see it. If you guys go after him, I'll

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Speaker 1: Right, Uh yeah, Well, we'll get into wide receiver a

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Speaker 1: bit more next week. We'll do quarterbacks today. We'll also

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Speaker 1: kind of dive in our own. Lakwan Jones here did

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Speaker 1: present his findings a little bit later on in the show.

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Speaker 1: But let's start with some news and rumors, things that

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Speaker 1: dead periodore NFL news, things that'send to make Fantasy Twitter

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Speaker 1: The first one being Anthony Richardson saying he is on

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Speaker 1: I saw that he's throwing about forty passes per day.

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Speaker 1: We have yet to see any video these I have

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Speaker 1: some floating out there. When we do fantasy Twitter is

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Speaker 1: going to go completely bananas. But even just him saying

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Speaker 1: he is on a mission got people really hot and

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Speaker 1: bothered over the last week. I went and checked yesterday

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Speaker 1: in Best Ball drafts. He is still the QB six.

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Speaker 1: I know we talked about this not long ago, but LQ,

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Speaker 1: are you still okay with him at QB six at

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Speaker 1: least in the Best Ball territory? And where would you

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Speaker 3: QB six is fine with me right now, I think.

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Speaker 3: More so, I want to say this, I am in

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Speaker 3: on Anthony Richardson, but I get some people's caution and

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Speaker 3: some type of hesitation with him.

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Speaker 1: But he has top five upsided.

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Speaker 3: I don't see how those small sample of games that

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Speaker 3: you watched last year and don't say this dude can

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Speaker 3: play in the NFL. And it's the Rams game really

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Speaker 3: that like really opened my eyes, Like, okay, this dude

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Speaker 3: Aaron Donald ad ninety nine. I'm still heard about him retirely.

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Speaker 3: But he's going out there coming at Anthony Richardson full

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Speaker 3: speed every single play. And he's out there just evading

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Speaker 3: most plays. And it's games like that where I'm like, man,

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Speaker 3: I just really wish he stayed healthy the entire season

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Speaker 3: because he might have been a lock as a top five,

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Speaker 3: you know, fantasy quarterback last year because each and every

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Speaker 3: better and better and more aware of that. Hey, I'm

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. I need to be making some NFL plays.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Florida, are you? Are you there with it?

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Speaker 1: Which I mean, I know we loved him, We loved

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Speaker 1: the possibility of what he could bring. We all had questions.

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Speaker 1: This feels a little bit like wish casting or am

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Speaker 1: I wrong?

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit, but I'm fully in. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you remember last year, I had him as a

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson has been my guy for uh since at

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Speaker 2: and he was averaging. I believe it was in his

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Speaker 2: two full games it was something like twenty four Fantasy

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Speaker 2: points per game, which is Josh Allen level. Now, I

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Speaker 2: know it's just two games, but I never had any

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Speaker 2: doubt of what he can do as a runner. And

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Speaker 2: what I kept saying last summer was I think this

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Speaker 2: think that he has the tools. I think he has

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Speaker 2: got to see it. But now you pair it with

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Speaker 2: time last year there was questions is it was he

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Speaker 2: Hurtz and Brown and Devonse. But we saw the Eagles

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Speaker 2: I think you're now I was saying it last year,

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Speaker 2: like Anthony Richardson is better than Gardner Minshew that's not

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Speaker 2: a hot take.

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Speaker 1: But you saw a minch you could.

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Speaker 2: Do with his arm. Now you add in that he

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Speaker 2: could be Cam Newton with his legs and give you

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Speaker 2: I think he comes in tier two, the tier two

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks with C. J. Stroud and Joe Burrow. But I

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Speaker 2: have no problem putting him first and making him the

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Speaker 2: QB five coming into next year. Understand though, that you're

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Speaker 2: paying for the ceiling, which I think is QB one,

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Speaker 2: and I would want to pair him with someone else

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Speaker 2: because my biggest concern is still, hey, did this guy

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Speaker 2: learn how to protect himself?

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Speaker 1: Yet? Did he learn how to protect himself? And look there,

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know that the arm questions can

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Speaker 1: be completely ignored. Now. Granted, look we have the same

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Speaker 1: questions with Justin Fields, and Justin Fields turned out to

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Speaker 1: be a really good fantasy quarterback. His NFL future we're

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Speaker 1: still we're still sorting through at this point, a little blurry,

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Speaker 1: he could be productive, and I guess that's sort of

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Speaker 1: the thing. Right. You have Anthony Richardson, who's a big body, guy, big,

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Speaker 1: strong body guy. We need him to stay healthy, We

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Speaker 1: My thing is, I feel like, if I'm taking a

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Speaker 1: my quarterback. I don't want to have to come back

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Speaker 1: and spin draft capital elsewhere on the position. And I

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Speaker 1: feel like that's sort of the thing is that we're

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Speaker 1: all like, yeah, we all love Anthony Richardson, but most

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Speaker 1: people are also like, but I still want another guy. Like,

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Speaker 1: back to fill in somewhere later on in your draft. Right,

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Speaker 1: if you're taking Mahomes, Jackson, Hurts, Allen, probably even CJ. Stroud,

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Speaker 1: that is your guy. The only time you're worried about

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Speaker 1: another quarterback is on a bye week or if you know,

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Speaker 1: knock on Wood. Unfortunately something happens to one of these guys.

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Speaker 1: That is why my only caveat that if we're still

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Speaker 1: talking about Anthony Richardson as I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: I have insurance, then we're not sure that he's a

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Speaker 1: top six quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't agree with that, And I'm also not

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Speaker 3: against you know, understanding that process and still getting a

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Speaker 3: guy if you have the questions about him as your

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Speaker 3: one and only quarterback on your rosters. Like we're talking

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Speaker 3: redraft here, I would think like I would still draft

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Speaker 3: like a later round like a jarreed golf. You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, as trade value as somebody I can

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Speaker 3: working out, so I would try to get something in return.

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Speaker 3: That's just usually how I would treat some guys like

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Speaker 3: we're talking about, like Anthony Richardson, that were not like

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent sure, but we want to buy in

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Speaker 3: and for the potential ceiling that he gives because just

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Speaker 3: the flashes in the pan that we saw, It's like, man,

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Speaker 3: this could be my lock right now at quarterback. But

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Speaker 3: I get what you're saying too.

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Speaker 1: No, I get the whole ceiling argument. I totally do.

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Speaker 1: I still think though there's a why not a wide gap,

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Speaker 1: but a notable gap right between what the ceiling and

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Speaker 3: Sucks that he got hurt, because I don't I think

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Speaker 2: No, I completely agree with it. And what like, look

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Speaker 2: Trust me, Me and Marcus and we were talking about.

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Speaker 2: But let's not overlook that Watson when he was out

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't think it'll ever be pretty with

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Speaker 1: El Q is the is the Deshaun Watson we knew

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Speaker 3: That so that that's those days are gone and something

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Speaker 1: He was hurt.

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Speaker 3: But I just feel as though what draws your interest

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Speaker 1: No, No, I totally agree with that. Like, if you

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Speaker 1: you're spreading it out, you're playing best ball, you're doing

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Speaker 1: taking the shit right that he's not He's not what

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Speaker 1: he once was, but I don't think he's totally cooked

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Speaker 1: They have to build this thing around him. They have

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm always a sucker for Russian quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: His Matthew Stafford. I mean, I know we're excited about

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Speaker 3: To take an account that it's April, so I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: back at Jashaun Watts. It's gonna be like exactly, it

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Speaker 2: Jerry Judy to get people hyped for you that that's bad.

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Speaker 3: He has stands. I don't know where they come from.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, but he's right. But but I

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Speaker 1: I would either of you take a swing on him,

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Speaker 3: Nope, pack it up.

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Speaker 2: He's done.

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Speaker 2: If we're talking about a last round pick and the

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Speaker 2: It did not work out. He was better with with

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Speaker 1: Fifteen days from now, that's right, that is when the NFL, well,

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Speaker 2: a Lamar Jackson. I think his fantasy profile from right

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Speaker 2: away could be like Justin Fields, where he gives you

435
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Speaker 2: such good rushing production and then you add in like

436
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Speaker 2: solid pass game production and he ends up being a

437
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Speaker 2: QB one. And what I keep saying is like, look

438
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Speaker 2: at Jalen Hurts, Kyler, Murray, Lamar Jackson, Justin Fields, Anthony

439
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: Richardson in the small sample size we saw him last year.

440
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: They all have kind of different play styles, but they're

441
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Speaker 2: all fantasy QB ones the day they get to start

442
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: because of what they bring you with their legs. And

443
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: as a thrower, he has great timing. I like his accuracy.

444
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the strongest arm, but his timing makes

445
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: up for it. He could make all the NFL throws.

446
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 2: He could put the ball on the rope when he

447
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 2: has to. I came away from watching his film, Like,

448
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: I really like this kid, and I hope he doesn't

449
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: end up in New England because his wide receivers at

450
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 2: LSU were better than what New England has right now.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah, drop the light. Yeah no. So the big knock

452
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Speaker 1: on him is his struggles throwing in the middle of

453
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Speaker 1: the field. Does that concern you at all?

454
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: A bit? But I think he has a strong enough

455
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: arm and the timing is really really elite that he

456
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 2: could make up for it. It'll depend on coaching and

457
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But the skill And that's the thing

458
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Speaker 2: with so many of these prospects is I don't want

459
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: to prospect that's like a finished product coming out of college.

460
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Speaker 2: I want one that has the tools and I hope

461
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Speaker 2: that the coaching staff could kind of develop them into

462
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Speaker 2: more So, I think James Daniels has all of the

463
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Speaker 2: skill set to be a really good NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I think that is one of the things that, like,

466
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Speaker 2: at the next level, they'd have to help work with

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Speaker 2: him on.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, Look, I mean I feel like your

469
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Speaker 1: evaluation for Daniels is sort of it's like a redo

470
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Speaker 1: of the conversation we just had about Anthony Richardson, except

471
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Speaker 1: he's not maybe not as big, not as physically imposing

472
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Speaker 1: as Anthony Richardson, but it is the is the skill

473
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Speaker 1: set that we are sort of in love with. Are

474
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Speaker 1: you Are you on board with that, laqwan or you

475
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Speaker 1: got a different QB too, No, I.

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Speaker 3: Was gonna say Jaydon Daniels as well. I mean, it's

477
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Speaker 3: a lock at QB two for him. He has the

478
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Speaker 3: best chance to be able to go somewhere who has weapons,

479
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 3: and like Florio said, he goes in anywhere else there's

480
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: gonna be a ton of question marks about the situation

481
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Speaker 3: rather than his actual talent trying to develop with you know,

482
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Speaker 3: the patriots who have nobody, you know. So I feel

483
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Speaker 3: like it's he's more so a lock for the commanders obviously.

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Speaker 3: With the no brainer there with Cliff Kingsbury, his history

485
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 3: with Kyler Murray and I've spoken about it before, hopefully

486
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Speaker 3: he could take some of his experience of being with

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray and teach Daniels how to be a little

488
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Speaker 3: bit more protective, slide a little bit more run out,

489
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Speaker 3: and be just aware of his surroundings when he's off

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Speaker 3: and making runs. Because I watch a lot of his runs,

491
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Speaker 3: you know, on tape and some of them are amazing,

492
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Speaker 3: and then there's somewhere he just doesn't see that last

493
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Speaker 3: guy that's running fool speed at him while he's trying

494
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Speaker 3: to hesitate in juke, and then he'll get blasted. That's

495
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: very dangerous at an NFL level, you know. So I

496
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Speaker 3: just hope that he's more protective of himself so we

497
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Speaker 3: don't end up into Anthony and Bridgeson conversation to where like,

498
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: oh man, he's getting banged up, you know all this

499
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Speaker 3: other stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, we joked about the whole Sonic

501
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: Rings gifts that you get with Jayden and Dang's And

502
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Speaker 1: I've been saying that, like wherever he gets drafted, there's

503
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Speaker 1: going to be a major League baseball team somewhere in

504
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Speaker 1: the vicinity. Like maybe he should just go out there

505
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: and practice slide and learn to practice syl Man, call

506
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Speaker 1: Kyle Kyler, call somebody you know, call Russell Wilson, right

507
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: he played baseball, Like figure it out, like just just

508
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Speaker 1: figure out a way to make it happen. I'm gonna

509
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go off not off board here, I'm gonna

510
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Speaker 1: go the other way and go Drake may as my

511
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Speaker 1: number two quarterback because I think he while he does

512
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Speaker 1: not give you the same type of rushing ability Jayden

513
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Speaker 1: Daniels does, he is one of those guys a lot

514
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Speaker 1: like Caleb Williams, who is any effective runner right who

515
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Speaker 1: knows sort of when to run and can do it effectively.

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Speaker 1: I think he has more arm talent right now, at

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Speaker 1: least in this part of his career than Jade Daniels does.

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Speaker 1: I think people like Jayden Daniels, I think they have

519
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: talked themselves into liking him even more where I think

520
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Speaker 1: he has a little bit more of a project type

521
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Speaker 1: vibe than say may does. Look and I don't follow you,

522
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: nobody ever putting Daniels at number two. The fact that

523
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: we've had this conversation, that it's been ongoing for a

524
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: while and speaks to how people are feeling about him.

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Speaker 1: But I think I think I'm gonna go with with

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Speaker 1: Drake may As as my number two guy, Which gets

527
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Speaker 1: me to the next question. Because JJ McCarthy has been

528
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Speaker 1: on a rocket ship at least his his his draft

529
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Speaker 1: value has been and the way people are talking about

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Speaker 1: him has been to the point that I've even seen

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Speaker 1: him talked about is going number one, number two or

532
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Speaker 1: number one, even in this draft. I don't think it's

533
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. But that's sort of where the conversation drifted

534
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Speaker 1: at some point, LaQuan. Are you buying into the JJ

535
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Speaker 1: McCarthy hype slightly? It will all depend on where he'll

536
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Speaker 1: go in location. I mean, I will be very happy

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Speaker 1: with the.

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Speaker 3: Vike because, like you said, we like quarterbacks that have

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Speaker 3: some type of mobile to him. He has the ability

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Speaker 3: to extend the place with his legs, like that's already noted.

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Speaker 3: More so, it's like his placement of the ball like

542
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Speaker 3: great in the pocket awareness. I mean, the dude is

543
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Speaker 3: able to get the confidence to step up and make

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Speaker 3: some of those difficult throws. And this is kind of

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Speaker 3: what you want out of a quarterback. I mean you

546
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Speaker 3: can almost label him as you know, almost NFL ready

547
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Speaker 3: polish to be able to go on a team like

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Speaker 3: the Vikings and step into a role where you have

549
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Speaker 3: a Justin Jeffson or Jordia Addison. This is really where

550
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Speaker 3: it's going to come down to where his development. Location

551
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: is going to matter to me to be buying completely

552
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Speaker 3: into the hype, because GMS are seeing some, coaches are

553
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 3: seeing some so obviously he's rising up on the border,

554
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: but it's all going to come down to location. Man's

555
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: that's what it is for me.

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Speaker 1: It's J J. McCarthy, the kind of guy Florio that

557
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Speaker 1: you think can be. I guess we're you know, this

558
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: is a fantasy show, so it's talking for fantasy. If

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Speaker 1: he shows up and is a starter right away or

560
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Speaker 1: at least early in the season, is he a guy

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Speaker 1: that we are going to be interested in at this

562
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Speaker 1: point in his.

563
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: For fantasy purposes, Probably not, not year one at least.

564
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Speaker 2: I would envision him being more of a QB two

565
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: and probably a low end one at that because to

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Speaker 2: Laquan's point, like he is athletic. He can run, but

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00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: I don't he's got a small frame. I don't envision

568
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: him being a game changer with his legs at the

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Speaker 2: NFL level. And I am kind of buying in on

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Speaker 2: the hype. I think he's a top four quarterback easily

571
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Speaker 2: in this class. I did like a lot of what

572
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: I saw. Good athlete, he can make all the NFL throws,

573
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: he has a really strong arm. I have him behind

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Speaker 2: Drake May. But just like LQ was saying, it comes

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Speaker 2: down to landing spot, Like if you put May on

576
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: the Patriots and JJ on the Vikings, I'm going to

577
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: be much more interested in McCarthy because of the head coach,

578
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: the play caller, the weapons around him, all of that.

579
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: But if you put JJ on the Patriots and Drake

580
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Speaker 2: May on the Vikings, it completely flips on its head

581
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Speaker 2: in the opposite direction. The knock always on JJ is

582
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Speaker 2: that he didn't have to do a whole lot in college,

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Speaker 2: And then the pro JJ people are like, well, if

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00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: you look for it and you watch his film, like

585
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: when he had to throw, he made all the throws,

586
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: And I agree, and I like that, but I keep

587
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: going back to it's much easier to do so when

588
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: you're asked to do that a handful of times a

589
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: game and the defense isn't expecting it and your team

590
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: is just flat out better the team on the other sidelines.

591
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: So I like a lot of what I saw on

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Speaker 2: film from JJ McCarthy, but there's still a lot of

593
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: questions that I don't think anyone right now can answer

594
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: until we see him handle some adversity at the next level.

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Speaker 1: I feel like how much you like JJ McCarthy depends

596
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: on how much you are into intangibles. Because that is

597
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: sort of the argument in his favor. And look, there

598
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: is value to that, right, there's value being into having

599
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: a football IQ and knowing when to make the right play,

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Speaker 1: when to tucket run, when to stand in there make

601
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: the throw. But you know, for those of us who didn't,

602
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: if you didn't lock in and watch every Michigan game

603
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: over the last year or so, if you haven't really

604
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: gone deep into the research of it, you look at

605
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: him on film and you see a guy who, yeah, man,

606
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: he ran a lot. He had a lot of really good,

607
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: talented teammates around him, and he had a you know,

608
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: a defense, a head coach, a whole system that really

609
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: helped him win. And you know, while he certainly made

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00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: plays to help the Wolverines, he wasn't always the engine

611
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: that made them go. And I think I think that's

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00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: sort of where the disconnect is. I think you look

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00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: at him as a guy who's very mobile, who can

614
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: run the football, but you know, I don't know about

615
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: the other things and whether or not he can sort

616
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: of be the full package, especially for what we would

617
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: want in a fantasy circumstance. He's not gonna be the

618
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: guy that gets taken in redrafts. There is definitely dynasty

619
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: upside there, but I think beyond that, I you know,

620
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm curious there he goes. I'm curious if a team

621
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Speaker 1: does take him at four, if somebody wants to take

622
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: him even earlier. You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: To your point. Intangibles obviously matter a whole bunch, But

624
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: we're not talking to these guys, mean we're we don't

625
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: in it. So I'm not gonna listen to what other

626
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: people say. Like I'm viewing, I'm judging the physical ability

627
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: that I that I can watch and quantify a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I chose like Daniels and May over JJ,

630
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 2: because I just think physically and what they've done in college,

631
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Speaker 2: it stands.

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Speaker 1: Out a little bit more. Yeah, no, no doubt day

633
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Speaker 1: one or Day two quarterback that you are most concerned about.

634
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: I guess both real real football and fantasy wise, Florida,

635
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: you can go first on that.

636
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: Whichever one goes to the New England Patriots. Sounds like

637
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm making fun of them.

638
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: And you kind of are. That's fine as.

639
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: Sure as they dominated my team for two decades, so

640
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: they didn't. But just compare, like I tweeted this out yesterday,

641
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 2: but the Bears are one of the best landing spots

642
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: QB one has ever fallen into. The Vikings are head

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00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: and shoulders above everyone else. The Raiders at least have

644
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams, the Commanders have Terry. Both of those teams

645
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: have an offensive coordinator that has called plays before. The

646
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: Broncos have Sutton and Sean Payton. The Patriots have a

647
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: first time head coach in OC calling plays for the

648
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: first time, and maybe the worst weapons in the NFL.

649
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: So whichever one goes there I think is behind the

650
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: eight ball. But from a talent standpoint, it's Bo Nicks

651
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: because I a lot of screens, a lot of deep balls,

652
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 2: and just I don't know, I didn't come away wowd

653
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: watching him play. And for me, a rule of mine

654
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: is always like when a player has a breakout season

655
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: at twenty four years old in their sixth year a

656
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: la Kenny Pickett, I always take some pause.

657
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: Watching Mike's on fire today, But I'm gonna say the

658
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: same thing, man, because you just look at that situation.

659
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: It's like, how can one quarterback be developed and be

660
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: put in the direction of success? What they put together

661
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: this offseason so I know it's not like an attractive

662
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: place to go play in the off season for you know,

663
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: a top wide receiver right now, but you still have

664
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: some free agents out there that can go in and

665
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: make some pop. I mean, your best wide receiver on

666
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: the roster right now, in my opinion, is the mary

667
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: O Douglas. And that's not saying a lot. So what

668
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: top tier quarterback are you going to put in this

669
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: situation and actually think he's going to be able to

670
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: move forward to his development to put something on tape.

671
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: And it's sad, man, it's just really sad at this point.

672
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I look, I think we're all just sort

673
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: of looking at like the Patriots as a please do

674
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: not draft this prospect that we like team, right because

675
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: when they was talking maybe they'll go after Marvin Harrison junior. Yeah,

676
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: at that point we're like, no, please, don't you know,

677
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: now they have a quarterback prospect that you might like,

678
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: and you like, please, don't, please don't draft this guy.

679
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, I guess if you're not into

680
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: the whole JJ McCarthy thing, then then you wouldn't mind

681
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: seeing him go to New England, particularly right down, straight down.

682
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean, so I the Patris definitely already sort of

683
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: a cautionary tale right now, just because there's so much

684
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: unknown in that spot. But Florio did mention bo Nix,

685
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: which he sort of answered the next question for me,

686
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: which is who would you rather have bo Nix or

687
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: Michael Pennix? I know Florio's answer, l Q, what is yours?

688
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: I like Penix man, he just has that kind of

689
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 3: swagger and confidence about him, and like I know everybody

690
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: has the injury councern on him, but he's good to

691
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: go man. And like seeing him at the combine throw

692
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: he throws a really good pretty ball. I mean more

693
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: or less you have that killer instinct in him, Like

694
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: he makes the important place. He's making some good decisions

695
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: with the ball as well. So I'm more so lean

696
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: on Penis as a GM if I'm going to bring

697
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: a guy in like him and hopefully he lands with

698
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: the Raiders and give them that, you know, momentum that

699
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: they could take off and have a guy like Penis.

700
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: Mold what you gonna You're gonna bump Aidan O'Connell out

701
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: of the starting gig there in Las Yes he is. No,

702
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm all about Pinick at least over Knicks for sure,

703
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: because I think the only knock on pinis the two

704
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: things about him are the injury history and the age.

705
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: No one seems to have any issues with his ability,

706
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, with the arm strength, with the the ability

707
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: to make all the throws, that sort of thing I.

708
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: Got my penis do rag on today.

709
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: It's just as can't he stay healthy, you know? And

710
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: and how long do you have to wait for him

711
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: to get there? I think that probably wild knock him down,

712
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: have seeing him mocked in early second round, uh, in

713
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: a lot of drafts. But I think I'd rather have

714
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: that over guy who uh you know, exceled at Oregon.

715
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: But as you mentioned Mike, he wasn't asked to do

716
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: nearly as much at Oregon as he was at Auburn

717
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: when when he just wasn't you know, he wasn't as

718
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: productive at Auburn. And so I Pinnicks was productive wherever

719
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: he was, he just couldn't stay on the field. I

720
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: think I would rather take that than than a guy

721
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: that I really have to sort of simplify the offense

722
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: for and and give him fewer things to do.

723
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: One thing I noticed with Pennix, he had a lot

724
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: of like, bleep it, he's down there somewhere type and.

725
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: Not a terrible thing.

726
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: Let him do that with Davante just it'll be it'll

727
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: be great for fantasy purposes.

728
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean, look, when you have a great

729
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: wide receiver, just you know fit, you know, Rome's down

730
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: there somewhere. I'm alright with that. Is there another radar guy,

731
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: say a Day two, Day three quarterback that that you

732
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: guys sort of like right now?

733
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: Look one Jordan Travis. I watched a couple of nights

734
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: ago where you know, he's one of those guys that

735
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 3: can move the change, like he can move a downfield

736
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: and and I was looking at his stats. He doesn't

737
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: have much turnovers. I mean, he's very good at decision

738
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 3: making and having the ability of the rushing upside, just

739
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: like Mike. I'm a sucker for guys who had the

740
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: rushing ability in the rushing upside. So he could be

741
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: like a Day two pick and end up in the situation.

742
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: He might not start this year, but he could probably develop,

743
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: you know, under somebody and probably take over starting job.

744
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: All right, your thoughts there, Floria.

745
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: I like Travis, And to borrow another one from our guy,

746
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: Emory Hunt. Spencer Ratler, who former number one prospect coming

747
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: out of high school.

748
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 3: He's betting some buzz.

749
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a strong arm, he's toolsy, so there's

750
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 2: a little bit there for coaches to work with at

751
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 2: the next level.

752
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rattler was a guy that that popped into my

753
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: head too. I don't know that I get the buzz

754
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: of him moving up. I mean, yeah, I've seen people

755
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: talk about him maybe sneaking into the first round. I

756
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: think that's a little bit excessive. Although look, Emery loves him, right.

757
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: We had Himory Hunt on not long ago, and he

758
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: was definitely big on Spencer Ratler, And I do think

759
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: that his history where he has been the fact that

760
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, once upon a time, this guy was a

761
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: strong Heisman candidate before losing his job to Caleb Williams,

762
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: who you know in hindsight, yeah, man, of course, right,

763
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: but that right, I mean, like see what Caleb has

764
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: done over the last couple of years in college, Like

765
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, we get it, man, But I do things.

766
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: I think the Spitzer Ratler is a guy who you know,

767
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: in the right spot, could end up being kind of

768
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of productive, kind of nice.

769
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: And be like ragging Alex Smith for losing the gig

770
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: to Mahomes.

771
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: To Patrick Mahomes, right, like, yeah, man, we get it,

772
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: we get it, we get it. We only get I

773
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: looked Drew Bledsoe lost his gig to Tom Brady. It's like,

774
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, years later, it's like, oh, yeah, I get it.

775
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: Oh I see, I see, I see how that went.

776
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: All right, take one more break, come back. We're gonna

777
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: dive into the new kickoff rules and what this could

778
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: mean for DSTs in fantasy. Arman Lakwan did some interesting

779
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: research here, so we'll let him present that in just

780
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: a bit coming up here on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So,

781
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure, as you all know now, the rules about

782
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: kickoffs have changed in the nf The gone are the

783
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: traditional kickoffs, and now you're gonna have kind of different formations.

784
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: The idea being to try and minimize injury risk while

785
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: also returning the kickoff to the game, just because you know,

786
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: we were at a point where you know, it just

787
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: was gone essentially from the game. You weren't getting guys

788
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: returning it. You certainly weren't getting kickoffs, kickoff return for touchdowns,

789
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: I should say, or anything like that. So this is

790
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: hopefully a nice compromise, but it is likely to change

791
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: the way we look at defense and special teams because

792
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: the special team's part of it is important, especially when

793
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: you have guys that can run back kicks for scores.

794
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: So are On mckwan Jones, who is a researcher by

795
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: trade here at the NFL, did some research and tried

796
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: to come up with ways to sort of rank the

797
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: rank the defensive units based on the new kickoff rules.

798
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: So I hope I didn't butcher that too badly, and

799
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: if I did, please please sit here and correct me.

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Speaker 3: So, just randomly one night, I was just looking at,

801
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: you know, this new kickoff rule and how cool it

802
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: can be. You know, you're watching the videos of x

803
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: XFL players, you know, doing et cetera, et cetera, and

804
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, this is huge for some teams like that,

805
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: you know, that were in that pocket of averaging like

806
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: eight to like ten Fantasy points per game in DST.

807
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: So it's like, man, some of these teams that were

808
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 3: on the CUSS, they have some like big premiere players

809
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: and even some teams that were like in the middle

810
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 3: of DST of like averaging like six point nine Fantasy

811
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: points per game, which were the Denver Broncos. So you

812
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 3: see them twenty if in the in the rankings, you

813
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: know last year in the final results. But then you

814
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: have a guy like Marvin Mims who was just so

815
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: great at kick return. He was such an explosive player

816
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: even when he was on offense. So I'm looking at

817
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: this like, man, he just got into a role where

818
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: he's seeing more targets, so hey, he's going to be

819
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: double dipping to be able to be on kick return

820
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: and get some points on offense when you know when

821
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: the points come. So I'm looking at some of these teams.

822
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: So I just wrote down a whole bunch of star

823
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: impactful players. I divided them between wide receiver and running backs.

824
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: So I started highlighting some guys that had definability, Greg

825
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: George Curtis Samuel for the Buffalo Bills, who were a

826
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: top five defense, which, sorry, Florida, I think they're on

827
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: the decline. They lost so many guys. But man, I

828
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: just think this is going to change the dynamic of

829
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: people playing DST and having these defense and special teams

830
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 3: and their rosters where they're going to be averaging more

831
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: fantasy points per game. With this kickoff rule than their

832
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: flex position or their wide receiver three or guys. They

833
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: are just looking for upside, like I rather roster, you know,

834
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: a let's say the Dolphins. Dolphins defense were a top

835
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: ten defense as well. Now let's imagine Devon ah Chan

836
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: and Tyreek Hill and in the back of the fields

837
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: for returns on this new hybrid, like they're going to

838
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 3: be scoring almost once a week, if not every other week,

839
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: to where they're double dipping in points. So I'm going

840
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 3: to try to get like a Tyreek Hill with the

841
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: Miami Dolphins to try to be more relevant each week.

842
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: So hopefully I'm not ramling too wrong. You guys could

843
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: jump in at any time. But I really think sheet

844
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: that I built for us, and you know, I eventually

845
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: put it together to where the public could see it.

846
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: But I think this could where you can get your

847
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: edge if we start looking at some of the players

848
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: that are on special teams and making an impact for

849
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 3: some of these defenses that were already good on defense.

850
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's very colorful, it's very color coded. I mean,

851
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: you got to do this, you know, in a format

852
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: we can like put this on social and posts, put

853
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: it out there. And kind of let people take a

854
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: look at it and kind of figure out on their

855
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: own what there is. You know, I love your wish

856
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: list by the way of guys that you would like

857
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: to see returning. Y Yeah, in the fact that you

858
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: put Tyreek Hill for the Miami Dolphins, I mean we

859
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: would all love to see that. Mike McDaniel will get

860
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: fired if Tyreek is such as a significant injury returning kick.

861
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: That's why I was looking at it. I'm like, it's

862
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: very limited, like injury you can get from that, Like

863
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: you really like a Damian Pierce, like a guy last

864
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: year with his ninety eight yard return. Now we know

865
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: how explosive he is. He's one of those running backs

866
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: that has the vision. He's able to break through the

867
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: seam and just take it to the house. Be great

868
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: for Tyreek Hill to hit the edge. Or he's a

869
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 3: big body, little guy. He's a little gerbil Hamster that's

870
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: like built up. He can go right through the special teams.

871
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: Guys they got are lined up on the line, Like

872
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: I think teams are gonna start seeing like, oh wow,

873
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: Tyrek Hill is ringing it back every week. Let's start

874
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: putting some actual big lineback, some big linemen on special

875
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: teams as well, maybe some starters, maybe some backup guys

876
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: that are trying to get reps to try to stop this.

877
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: I just think this is going to change everything of

878
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 3: just more scoring points.

879
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: So my first question is how much do you wait

880
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: this when you are looking at at DSTs in drafts? Right? Like, so,

881
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: for instance, you got the forty nine ers here, right,

882
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: and they are a good fantasy defense. They don't have

883
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: anybody that immediately jumps off the page at you though,

884
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: as like a really super dangerous returner. Right, I mean,

885
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: you got Jordan Mason, You've got Ronnie Bell, neither of

886
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: these guys. You know, we're not talking about them in

887
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: Cordero Patterson type terms. How much do you wait what

888
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: this could be versus just having a straight up good defense. Yeah,

889
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: so a straight up good defense, like I said, like

890
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: they were avaging a fantasy points were going, so it

891
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: made them tenth to be top ten. So these defense

892
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: are gonna stay the same. If they're gonna be a

893
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: good defense but not have any threats on special teams,

894
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: they're going to kind of kind of fall in middle

895
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: of the pack. And then these other teams that were

896
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: already on the cuss that have impactful players on kick return,

897
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: like even the Jets, they're top five defense, but you

898
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: have Xavier Gibson. He's one of the most explosive returners

899
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: they have on the roster.

900
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: So these are guys that will make an impact to

901
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: rise these defenses that are already good to the higher level.

902
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 3: And some defenses like the Kansas Chiefs that were really

903
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: good in real life but not many impactful players on

904
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: special teams to kind of up their points to get

905
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 3: into that top five conversation, I think the rankings will

906
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: definitely change.

907
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: How I'm curious how you are you looking at return

908
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: man at first or is that just like a tiebreaker,

909
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: Because my thing with defense is always like you don't

910
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: want necessarily the defense that's not going to get any

911
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: points you want. And the Dolphins are a great example

912
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: of that. They were looking at your chart. They were

913
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: twenty second in points allowed last year, but they were

914
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: six in fantasy points because they rack up sacks and turnovers,

915
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: and that's always the two things that I look for

916
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: in defenses. Is that change for you now? Are you

917
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: looking for return man or are you still looking at

918
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: defenses that force sacks and turnovers and then you want

919
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: to pair with one of those that has a good return.

920
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: So really the pockety you want to find a team

921
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: that has both. I mean a team that just doesn't have,

922
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: you know, the special teams upside like the forty nine's

923
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 2: for example, Maybe I'm okay getting a foreign nine defense

924
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: because they get a ton of takeaways. They have the

925
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: ability to get to the to the quarterback as well,

926
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 2: so maybe I'm okay just dealing with that. And there's

927
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: other teams that, you know, like the Ravens, you have

928
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: Justice Hill, but you already know that defense is going

929
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: to be top not So I really feel as though

930
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: a team like the Ravens are a better situation than

931
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: a team like maybe I would say the Packers. You know,

932
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: they're a good defense that able to get to the ball,

933
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: a takeaways increase at the end the end of the season,

934
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: and they're probably gonna make some good additions in the draft.

935
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: So it's all things where you got to look at

936
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: where you're gonna get a team that has both both

937
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: head edges of the sword, a returnment and a good defense.

938
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: The other teams man they can just price it at

939
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: the bottom of the rankings. For me, honestly, I mean

940
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: you're talking about that.

941
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: The team that on this list jumped out to me

942
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: is the Cleveland Browns, a very good team defensively. I mean,

943
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: we know Miles Garrett is a home wrecker all by himself.

944
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: You know, you're throwing at Nahim Hines potentially a guy

945
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: as a return man who does have some ability and

946
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: some bursts. You know, the Browns could be kind of

947
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: an interesting option. I feel like they're gonna be one

948
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: of the first defenses off the board, but they could

949
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: kind of give you that upside potentially when it comes

950
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: to too returns.

951
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: There at the Steelers too, They sneakily signed Kardera Pattison

952
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: and then you look at Seattle. They got Leaviscus Chanol.

953
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: We know he's a running back with the ball in

954
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: his hands. Like, these are gonna be teams that are

955
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: gonna make impact and make some noise and move up,

956
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: you know, being that their defense isn't that strong.

957
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: What about a team like to me, one that stood

958
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: out was the Denver Broncos. They were not good defensively

959
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: last year. Despite it in real life we thought their

960
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: defense was pretty good, but fantasy wise, it was not

961
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: but Marvin Mims is explosive and truly I believe one

962
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: of the best returnment in the league. But is that

963
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: enough to overcome a poor defense or is it just like, Okay,

964
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna have some fun moments, but I don't want

965
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: to ride this defense.

966
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: So it might it's just that we haven't seen it yet.

967
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: That's why I can't really like go into that yet

968
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: because it's like we haven't seen how these teams are

969
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: gonna be able to get you know, creative, and how

970
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: some of the teams that are kicking off play defense

971
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: against these guys. So it's more so like I think

972
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 3: this year would be the trial run obviously for everybody.

973
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: If people like it, I'm really excited about it because

974
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: it makes guys that you were like so so like

975
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: Leviskus Chanol is the best example, like we're like, oh man,

976
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: we want to push her in to get the touches,

977
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: get the ability, but it just didn't work out, And

978
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: I'm I just do it yesterday. He should just change

979
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: your running back, hate the Cordero Patterson route, make an

980
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: impact on special teams and make your name that way.

981
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: Man, I do feel like Cordillo. I say this draft

982
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense, so that you don't feel bad when

983
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: Cordero Patterson is scoring touchdowns, you know, on kickoff returns

984
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: versus drafting you know, Najee Harris and feeling bad when

985
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: Cordero Patterson is stealing rushing touchdowns because Arthur Smith, yeah,

986
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: decided to run jet sweeps with him at the goal

987
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: line or something like that.

988
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: You know, that's all Patrick Claybond's boy, Rashid Shaheed is

989
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: going to eat as a wide receiver return.

990
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: Man.

991
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: That's a double dipper there. He's going to be on

992
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 3: kick return too. Man. That that's one of those things

993
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: like you get points. You get six points if the

994
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 3: individual player scores on kick return and these rules exactly.

995
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna mention that though, because not every league

996
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: plays that way, right, So make sure this is this

997
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: is the thing where you want to make sure what

998
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: your scoring system is that you do get those points

999
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: individually versus them just going straight up to the defense's

1000
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: special teams. And I wonder if you know, depending on

1001
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: how many returns we get, if we start to see

1002
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: more activity, there will more leagues go to the individual

1003
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: player getting it versus the ds tam.

1004
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, six points and then if it's a touchdown all

1005
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: the time, then four points two points, so eventually.

1006
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm just I'm I'm I'm curious to see

1007
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: how this impacts scoring systems.

1008
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: These guys start returning them so much. It's like, who

1009
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: needs a quarterback when you have a good return man.

1010
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying they might have unlocked the beast here.

1011
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean we're going to be sitting here time

1012
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: do I do I want to draft Mac Jones or

1013
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: Cordero Patterson? Actually, I think that that probably applies now, So.

1014
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 3: Draft defense in the fourth round because Tyreek Kial and

1015
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: Devon a Chan are going crazy every week.

1016
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we get that far then than things I think,

1017
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: then I think we need wholesale scoring changes. We're done here,

1018
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: so but anyway, No, it's good research, good stuff. I

1019
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: definitely would love to get this in a format we

1020
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: can post this on social media and have people kind

1021
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: of you know, it's the Internet. People will lovingly look

1022
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: at it and have no complaints about whatever you wrote

1023
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: at all, because that's just how the Internet works. Of course, anyway,

1024
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: I think that's a good spot for us to pause,

1025
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: at least for today. Of course, we'll be back with

1026
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: you on Thursday for another edition of the Fantasy cheat Sheet.

1027
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: We are still appreciative of all you guys who are

1028
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: jumping in there and participating. We are thankful for you.

1029
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: Please come back again for the next one coming up

1030
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: this week on Thursday as well. In the meantime, gonna

1031
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

1032
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: Stay happy, safe and healthy, do good and live well.

1033
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 1: Enjoy the week, everybody, and we'll talk to you again

1034
00:49:40,520 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: real soon. I'll help me