WEBVTT - Draft Show: Who's Made Some Money? 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:09.639 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.400 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.280 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:24.520 Dallas Cowboys like Dan Lamb and now your hosts Dane Brugler, 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:31.200 Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Humans. It's another wonderful 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.760 Thursday edition of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:40.400 Welcome in everybody, yet Senior Bowl Week rolls on from Mobile, Alabama. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.880 We are eighty eight days away from the NFL Draft 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.200 in Cleveland, Ohio, and we've got plenty to break down 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.480 that has happened through the first two Senior Bowl practices. 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:55.520 One more to go later this afternoon on this Thursday. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.120 But we're gonna break it down with Dane Brugler, who 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.800 is down in Mobile holding on to that hotel WiFi 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.480 at the moment, and he's doing his best to bring 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:08.160 us some on the ground coverage of the Senior Bowl 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.319 this year. Kevin Turner as always up here in the Metroplex. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.760 Then Bucky Brooks is at the NFL Network headquarters out 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.440 in California and he has been covering the Senior Bowl 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.959 all week as well, so, man, we've got a great 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.559 crew to break this all down. Katie's gonna run point 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.520 in terms of the Cowboys. Then we've got the NFL 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.959 overall look and then the up close and personal look 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.520 from Bucky Brooks and Dame Brugler and Dame. When you 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.959 talk about this Senior Bowl, I'm sure it's a lot 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.319 different this year, not only because it's not at lad 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.679 People Stadium and it's on the campus of South Alabama, 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.039 but what has it been like this year compared to 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.040 others due to COVID nineteen and the fact that you've 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:52.120 gotten two practices in already. Yeah, Hancock Whitney stadiums beautiful, 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.640 So start with that. It's a beautiful new stadium right 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.760 there on South Alabama's campus. You know, part of me, 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.240 the nostalgic part missus lad peebles a little bit, But 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.120 give credit to Jim Naggie and his staff or what 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.800 they've done. Not sure if this was going to happen, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.400 but here we are, where we're going in. Today's the 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:14.519 final practice on Thursday, and it's it's been a success. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.560 So it's it's definitely been different in terms of the access, 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.560 in terms of how you know, the logistics of how 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.400 everything's working. But you know what, I'll take it. You know, 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.919 we're watching football live on the field, and that's been 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:34.600 tremendously tremendous advantage, especially for some of these players who 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.560 didn't play this week or it didn't play this year 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.399 in twenty twenty, and so to see them out there 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.239 performing at a high level, some of these players have 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.720 made money. That's awesome to hear. And Bucky, I know 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.440 you've been keeping a close eye on a lot of 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.680 those players via the remote. I mean, I'm sure you 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.120 your remote set up is better than anybody else's in 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.920 the country coming from the NFL network. But what have 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:56.920 you seen this week that's kind of stuck out to you. 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.840 That's different even from a scouting perspective, because, like Dane said, 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.880 it's been limited, but they've still been able to get 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.920 there and get it done. Yeah, it's a huge surprise 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:08.560 that they've been able to pull this off. I think 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:12.080 the big thing for me has been seeing how different 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.639 guys have performed based on their level of activity over 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.200 the course of the fall. We've had guys who have 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.760 played an entire season, guys who haven't played at all, 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.280 Guys who played for a handful of games, and trying 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.680 to weigh and evaluate what each of those players are 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.760 doing given those circumstances has been challenging. And then when 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.720 you throw in the fact that the combine is not 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.960 in existence, this is kind of like the last or 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.960 rough where a lot of people and some of these 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.760 people never got a chance to start it. And so 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.520 how do you wait all of those mitigating factors when 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.640 coming up with your final evaluation. Those final evaluations are 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.920 gonna be crazy this year, I think whenever it comes 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.040 to no combine, a lot of pro days in the 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.839 Senior Bowl is really what you're going to go by. 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.480 And the Cowboys are having to do the same exact thing, Katie, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.960 and with their being a lot of the storylines in 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.280 the highlight real plays of course going to go around 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.680 the offense whenever you look at the highlight reels later 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.520 in the week from the Senior Bowl. But the defenses 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.000 have really had a leg up through the first two 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.600 days of practices, which is not to be a surprise 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.000 by any means, But what do you feel like that 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.560 has done for you when you look at the defensive 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.359 prospects that are down in Mobile right now, anybody that 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.880 sticks out to you the fact that the defenses have 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.960 kind of taken that upper hand. Yeah, you know. I 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.839 mean the first thing I always think about with the 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.960 Senior Bowl is like not to freak out about it, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.840 you know, because you get all these like one on 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.000 one refs and things like that. Not to freak out 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.800 about it. Mutrolink it for something that confirms maybe what 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.160 you've seen on tape. Well. But one thing that I've 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.280 really I really enjoyed I was, you know, following this 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.359 through multiple mediums. I was watching Bucky's coverage on the 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.920 NFL Network and they had Matt Rule on and Matt 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.560 Rules talking about how they politicked to get to the 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.919 Senior Bowl because they wanted to meet players knowing that 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.440 there's not gonna be a formal combine. And I couldn't 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.599 help but think, man, that is such an advantage for 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.240 them picking eight two picks ahead of the Cowboy is 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.360 you know, it'd be great if the Cowboys had a 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.480 lot of people there. I know they not sending a 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.160 lot of coaches and things that that, but scouts are 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.719 going to be there. Um, But like that is like 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.080 this is a big opportunity and a big chance but 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.360 in terms of like players that have really stood out. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.320 If you are a team like the Cowboys who needs 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.240 a lot of defense, it's it's really hard to ignore 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.320 all the incredible offensive talent we've seen. Um, but you 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.360 know the guys that have attracted my eye a little bit, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.560 Like you're looking for safety? Uh, you know what can 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:33.160 can Richie Grant do for you? Are you interested in 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.960 a natural dean? And how healthy is he even though 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.400 he's that strong safety type, a little different, you know? 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.760 And and Aaron Robinson the cornerback, I think as a 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:44.200 guy kind of finding out, you know, Kenny play outside, 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.960 you know, that's that's the whole thing I mean with him, 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.640 I think you've got a really good player. Um, I 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.960 don't have him been kind of my group of first 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.240 round guys, but you start talking about day two now, 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.120 I think Aaron Robinson's a guy who might be in 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.880 the mix for the Cowboys that picked forty four. And uh, 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.440 he's someone that I'm really going to be watching. I 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.520 have been watching, and we'll be watching as we move 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.680 forward to Saturday. Bucky, in that conversation with Matt Rule yesterday, 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:11.640 did you really get that it was an individual advantage? 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.400 To the Carolina Panthers. Of course, he's in his second 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.560 year as the head coach. But what did you get 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.120 from Matt Rule? I mean, the intensity of his practices 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.920 were incredible, and I've known Matt for my time in Waco, 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.479 But I mean you continue that to the Senior Bowl. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.320 It looks like they haven't skipped a rep. No, they 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.080 haven't skipped a beat. I think this is really important 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.320 in a huge advantage for the Carolina Panthers and a 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.880 couple of different things. One, they get a chance to 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.320 be around all these guys and so for a week, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.240 they get to be around not only their own team, 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.800 but the other team. And so to build those relationships, 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:45.919 especially when you're not going to have the face to 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.560 face interactions at the combine and maybe even private workhouts, 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.800 that's a huge advantage. Secondly, they're just coming from the 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.080 college game, and so Matt talked about they've recruited a 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.320 lot of these players, so they already have built in 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.400 some of those relationships. And as you begin to think 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.720 about guys who have played guys who haven't played, you're 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.760 more likely to lean to those that you know, those 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.960 that you've kind of seen along the way. I think 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.080 for Matt Ruling, the Panthers they have a huge advantage 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.680 over a lot of teams in the league because their 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.320 college experience and what they're being able to experience down 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.960 in Mobile. One of the big things he did talk 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.560 about in that conversation was the fact that you want 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.040 each rep to put good tape out there. He wanted 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.920 to make sure that each of these players know that 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.880 this is that special opportunity for not only the coaches, 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.680 but for the prospects as well. Dane, who has put 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.720 some good tape out there on the defensive side of 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.880 the football. I know, I was really impressed by the 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.200 ad rushers yesterday and one on ones. I thought they 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.720 were good for the second straight year. After going last 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.000 year and really being impressed by a couple of those guys, 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.960 I thought they backed that up and continued to have 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:52.920 some success on the outside. Yeah, and the real quickly 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:56.040 to back up what Bucky just said, I think he's 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.800 absolutely right about the Panthers having an advantage here because 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.360 not only are they going to know who's going to 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.600 fit for them, they're gonna understand pretty clearly who's not 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.560 going to be a fit for them and be able 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.520 to eliminate guys based off how it things go. And look, 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.000 all teams are gonna have access down here. They've got 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.640 a you know, plexiglass set up down um, you know, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.480 in a in an interview kind of station for all 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.720 the teams at night to go through and talk to 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.720 these guys. But the opportunity that Dolphins and Panthers have 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.840 is profound, so especially this year. But in terms of 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.360 the defensive guys, you know, I think that you know, 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.720 Katie mentioned Richie Grant. I think he's definitely flashed. You 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.800 see the play speed. You see a guy that trust 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.120 when he sees, he goes and he makes plays on 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.400 the ball. Even when he gives up a completion, he's 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.000 still ball searching and trying to rip the ball out 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.640 and sometimes he's been able to uh the USC defensive tackle. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.959 It's been tough for blockers to contain him. And then 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.920 both Notre Dame defensive lineman I've really stood out day 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.960 a goodness, did jay I butchered that? But his length, 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.520 I tell you is really he's showing why length matters, 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.600 rushing from inside, rushing from outside. Blocker's having a tough 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.800 time with him. And then Dalen Hayes. You're seeing his 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.880 athleticism off the edge. And one thing that's really stood 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.200 out with Hayes is when he's come off the field 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.600 from a rep, he's immediately running over to a coach 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.920 and I'm watching this from the stands from twenty feet away. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.480 He's having dialogue with this coach, going through the technique 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.760 that he's using and just having that interaction. And this 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.480 is a player that understands the value of this week 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.840 and the opportunity that he has. He's not treating it 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.880 like just another practice. He's treating this like a job interview. 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.760 And so far, so good for Dalen Hayes. Hayes had 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.160 a strip sack of Phelipe Franks in the one on 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.320 ones area. Wasn't even one on ones. It was in 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.440 the middle of I think team drill. He came up 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.280 and had a strip sack from behind. I mean, he 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.959 was impressive yesterday, Katie'd you see anybody on the defensive 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.200 side of the football that really stuck out to you? 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.760 I mean, of course, Cowboys are very interested in looking 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.400 at defensive talent while they're in mobile. I was looking yesterday, 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.199 and I mean they've taken a look into the majority 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.640 of those guys that are down there at the moment, Hey, yeah, 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.679 you know, I mean I look, defensive line is also 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.440 an area that this team is going to need to 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.200 look at, whether it's inside or whether it is rushing. Um. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.600 You know, I thought Basham had a good day on 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.880 Day one from from But but you know, another another 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.120 guy who I think I really liked his twenty nineteen 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.640 tape and his twenty twenty tape. To me, I kind 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.000 of would view it is maybe a little bit of 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.760 a regression for probably a multitude of reasons. But I 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.800 thought Marvin Wilson's looked okay in what I've seen. Obviously, 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.760 I haven't seen every rep that that's been down there, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.400 as I'm not there, but like Marvin Wilson to me, 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.040 is a guy who I still think has that potential 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.840 to sneak into Day two and kind of be a 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.760 guy who could play the one for you, play the 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.800 three if you need him to, and kind of do 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.840 a little bit of both at the defensive tackle position. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.160 Is you know, for me, I'm not comfortable with just 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:06.240 saying Okay, Tristan Hill and Neville Gallimore go get it. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:07.960 You know, I do think they're gonna have to add 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.199 a defensive tackle, and will they want to invest in that, 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.000 you know position in the first three year ounds. I 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:16.680 don't know if they would do that. I don't know 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.960 how much, say dan Quinn is gonna gonna have and 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.160 how they draft. You know, I can't help but think 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.520 about some of these It's amazing when you watch these 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.040 one on one drills when we're talking about throwing the 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.439 ball through the air, and I can't help but feel 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.480 bad for some of these defensive backs and one on 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.120 one situations. But some of these shifty guys who are 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.960 getting open, and I'm just like, Okay, I'm not gonna 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.560 knock this cornerback too bad, because you know what, covering 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.000 am Maari Rodgers is a real hard thing to do, right, 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.319 So I'm not gonna kill that defensive back. But I 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.280 felt really bad for the Florida state safety Hampson nasual Deed, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.800 who's got to take part in these drills. And one 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.040 he's not one hundred percent, it doesn't appear. And two 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.640 he should never ever in this world, ever be asked 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.160 to cover you know, a faster guy, you know, and 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.880 you know he burned a couple of times in one 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.000 on one drills, I'm like, oh, I kind of feel 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.960 bad for my guy Hompsa there, because you know, in 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.480 a real game, no coach is gonna put him in 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.280 that position. But here he's going out there and he's 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.760 competing and doing the rep and sometimes it's maybe not 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.960 working out as well as you like. But it's just 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.080 just little things like that. I try not to over 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.080 I try have to overhype it. You take what you 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.320 you see, you just kind of add it to the 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.840 context of the full thing. And I learned that from Dane. 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.400 Dane taught me that you always add what you see 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.160 to the full context of the tape. Study, Bucky, did 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.480 you see some of that same stuff yesterday? Whenever it 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.559 came to maybe the secondary I thought, when I was 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:45.320 looking at Marvin Wilson, I was pretty under und I 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.559 guess impressed. I wasn't very impressed with Marvin Wilson. Yeah, underwell, 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:51.080 and that's the word I was looking for. But I 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.240 was not very impressed with with Marvin Wilson whenever it 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.960 came to his tape. And like Katie said, I haven't 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.160 seen every rep either. I mean we haven't been able 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:03.280 to see every rep like you guys have no So 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.240 the funny thing about Marvin Wilson is I actually liked 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.920 his tape from two seasons ago. Like I think he 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:10.920 was a big time high school recruit. He comes in, 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.079 he's powerful, he does a really good job of using 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.520 his power to his advantage. He's not necessarily a twitch 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.400 athlete on the inside, and so the thing about defensive tackles, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.920 and I think in today's game, it's hard to really 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.640 put a high grade on an interior player if they 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.360 can't really rush the passer consistently. And when I look 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.360 at his game, he can do that. I do wander 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.280 down inimobile how much the knee is affecting him, because 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.000 he's not necessarily the same explosive, dominant player that we've 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.160 seen at times, and so I would like to see 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.800 more of that. I think Levi Anserrique, I think the 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.720 first day he was really impressive in the fact that 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.080 he hadn't played all fall. He goes out there, he 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.480 has the technique. Now he missed his day two, and 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.040 so you just kind of wanted is that him trying 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:56.600 to get his sea legs back? Is he going to 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.800 do anything else but for me the snap to pop 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.520 the ability to play with his hands. I think his 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.480 hand skills are very, very impressive. I kind of wrote 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.280 in my nose like he's kind of missed Yagi and 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.200 turns of the way he waxes on and waxes off 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.920 to get to the quarterback. He's really intriguing in the 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.080 back end. You know, it's really hard because I'm looking 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.080 at some of the small school standouts right Like, so 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.080 Robert Rochelle from Central Arkansas to me as a natural player, 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.360 super fast athlete, and the thing that I kind of 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.960 want to see is not necessarily like how fast and 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.600 how explosive he is, but how far away is he 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.680 from being a guy that can be a frontline player, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.960 Like looking at his raw ability, how much seasoning would 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:36.520 he need before he can get out there and do 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.840 some things. But he's really explosive, and the fact that 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.080 he gets his hands on the ball when you watch 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.280 him at Central Arkansas, I think it makes him a 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.840 very intriguing an option, particularly if you're the Cowboys and 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.280 we know that they need more corners, particularly with all 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.960 those guys that could be impending free agents. With Robert Rochelle, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.840 and you can see that speed right away, you don't 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.640 have to squint, that's for sure. And even when he 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.600 full steps or he's out of position, he he's able 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.880 to recover really quickly. And that's uh, that's pretty evident. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.040 And you know, going back to the Marvin Wilson conversation, 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.840 it's you know, I think the it did not start 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.600 as a great week for him at weigh ends when 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.640 he came in at three twenty. Uh. You know, I 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.080 think he's a player based off that twenty nineteen film 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.280 where he was more in the three or five range. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.040 That's the player we want to see because he flashes power, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.520 he flashes you know, foot quickness, but he needs to 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.680 put it all together and play just with more consistency 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.880 than what we saw on the twenty twenty film. So, uh, 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.080 it's been an up and down week for him. Uh. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.760 Defensive tackles, it's just not a great group down here, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.240 like we've talked about. So teams are searching for those 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.160 defensive tackles. They want one of these defensive tackles to emerge. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.480 Maybe it'll happen on day three here this afternoon. But 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.800 I agree with Bucky uh Levi onz workI has been 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.400 just uh, you know, the first day he was terrific. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.440 He's he's showing why he has a chance to go 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.760 in the first round. Uh. You know, he played out 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.400 a position at that nose tow spot and that Washington 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.720 Odd front and you know, get him here where he 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.040 can just kind of let loose and you know, get 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.400 those one on one matchups. You see the violence, you 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.200 see the hand strength, the quickness that he plays with. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.560 He's a fun player, Ansoique. Whenever it came to Day one, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.560 I mean I was impressed, much like Bucky was. And 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.040 then he wasn't on the field yesterday, and you just 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.640 mentioned kind of the special player that he could potentially 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.640 be as a twenty twenty opt out. I'm interested in 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.840 him in the second round if I'm Dallas, I really am. 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.720 I think in this at forty four, if he makes 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.800 it that far, I mean, I think he's probably the 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.280 best chance to maybe separate himself a little bit whenever 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.000 it comes to this defensive tackle class, because like you said, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.480 it's not a great group and mobile that's not really 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.120 a great group overall when you look at this twenty 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.400 twenty one class. But Dane, have you heard anything on 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.640 his availability? Buck He said he missed yesterday, But you 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:57.720 have you heard anything. Just being in Mobile, I mean, 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.960 he's probably out for the week. I would guess. I'd 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.920 don't know that, but I would guess during Tuesday practice, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.119 the first practice, he actually he left with one of 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.680 the trainers real quick and then came back, so I 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.560 wasn't sure what was going on. And then he decided that, 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.400 you know, just to be safe, probably shut it down, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.360 which you know, it's it's tough when you opt out 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.359 of a season like that. You're putting all your eggs 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.439 in one basket in the pre drift process, and all 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:22.840 of a sudden, now we don't have a combine. So okay, 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.040 now it comes down to the Senior Bowl and you've 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.080 got one practice, which is not ideal. But you know, 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.600 he puts some good stuff on film, so it's and 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.439 like I said, it's gonna be interesting this year with 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.560 the defensive tackle group that we have. You know, are 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.240 these guys are gonna get pushed up a little bit 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.960 just because teams still need into your defensive line help. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:46.200 So the Christian Barmore's, the own Zeriqus, both USC defensive tackles. 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.160 These guys are gonna get pushed up maybe five ten 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.560 picks earlier than they would normally go just because teams 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.760 are looking for those defensive tackles this year, Katie, you 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:58.560 think the Cowboys would be go for it, Bucky, No, 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.560 I think Dane is his nail something because I do 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:05.480 believe supplying to man, because they're not many those who 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.560 flash a little bit will be overdrafted or drafted before 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.080 we expect. And so like a guy like Ozerick, we 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.359 can say, hey, will he be there for the Cowboys? 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.280 He may have a chance that when you're at the 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.560 bottom of the first round and you don't have another 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.199 pick until late in the second round, you may have 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.359 to say, look, I need a defensive tackle. I'm gonna 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.080 take him now, even though it's not necessarily where the 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.320 grade equates, because I just don't know if you go 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:29.960 to the second go round, if there's going to be 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:34.080 a guy that's even comparable to those kinds of talents. Dan, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.200 do you have a compet there's a big drop off. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:40.080 Go for a KT he get go ahead, Caw, You're good. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.199 I was just gonna ask Dane real quickly, do you 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:47.880 have a comp for Levi on Zerika? Yet? I don't 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.920 think I put an exact comp on him. I you know, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.000 he's he's tough because I gave him I think he 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.080 was number forty three overall my top one hundred coming 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.359 into the week because I wanted to see him this 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.639 week's wanted to see how he would do, because, like 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.600 I said, we saw him the two nineteen stuff at 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.200 Washington where he's playing head up over the center, you know, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.679 seeing a lot of doubles, not getting a chance to 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.719 really let loose. But he's so active, and I mean 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.040 he's the prototypical three technique in a lot of ways, 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.439 you know, not the biggest guy, but so quick, so violent. 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.760 Just he needs to be a little more leveraged with 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.639 his attack, but it once he figures that out. I 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.840