Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
Speaker 1: war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep
Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like Dan Lamb and now your hosts Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Humans. It's another wonderful
Speaker 1: Thursday edition of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show.
Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody, yet Senior Bowl Week rolls on from Mobile, Alabama.
Speaker 1: We are eighty eight days away from the NFL Draft
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, Ohio, and we've got plenty to break down
Speaker 1: that has happened through the first two Senior Bowl practices.
Speaker 1: One more to go later this afternoon on this Thursday.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna break it down with Dane Brugler, who
Speaker 1: is down in Mobile holding on to that hotel WiFi
Speaker 1: at the moment, and he's doing his best to bring
Speaker 1: us some on the ground coverage of the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: this year. Kevin Turner as always up here in the Metroplex.
Speaker 1: Then Bucky Brooks is at the NFL Network headquarters out
Speaker 1: in California and he has been covering the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: all week as well, so, man, we've got a great
Speaker 1: crew to break this all down. Katie's gonna run point
Speaker 1: in terms of the Cowboys. Then we've got the NFL
Speaker 1: overall look and then the up close and personal look
Speaker 1: from Bucky Brooks and Dame Brugler and Dame. When you
Speaker 1: talk about this Senior Bowl, I'm sure it's a lot
Speaker 1: different this year, not only because it's not at lad
Speaker 1: People Stadium and it's on the campus of South Alabama,
Speaker 1: but what has it been like this year compared to
Speaker 1: others due to COVID nineteen and the fact that you've
Speaker 1: gotten two practices in already. Yeah, Hancock Whitney stadiums beautiful,
Speaker 1: So start with that. It's a beautiful new stadium right
Speaker 1: there on South Alabama's campus. You know, part of me,
Speaker 1: the nostalgic part missus lad peebles a little bit, But
Speaker 1: give credit to Jim Naggie and his staff or what
Speaker 1: they've done. Not sure if this was going to happen,
Speaker 1: but here we are, where we're going in. Today's the
Speaker 1: final practice on Thursday, and it's it's been a success.
Speaker 1: So it's it's definitely been different in terms of the access,
Speaker 1: in terms of how you know, the logistics of how
Speaker 1: everything's working. But you know what, I'll take it. You know,
Speaker 1: we're watching football live on the field, and that's been
Speaker 1: tremendously tremendous advantage, especially for some of these players who
Speaker 1: didn't play this week or it didn't play this year
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and so to see them out there
Speaker 1: performing at a high level, some of these players have
Speaker 1: made money. That's awesome to hear. And Bucky, I know
Speaker 1: you've been keeping a close eye on a lot of
Speaker 1: those players via the remote. I mean, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: your remote set up is better than anybody else's in
Speaker 1: the country coming from the NFL network. But what have
Speaker 1: you seen this week that's kind of stuck out to you.
Speaker 1: That's different even from a scouting perspective, because, like Dane said,
Speaker 1: it's been limited, but they've still been able to get
Speaker 1: there and get it done. Yeah, it's a huge surprise
Speaker 1: that they've been able to pull this off. I think
Speaker 1: the big thing for me has been seeing how different
Speaker 1: guys have performed based on their level of activity over
Speaker 1: the course of the fall. We've had guys who have
Speaker 1: played an entire season, guys who haven't played at all,
Speaker 1: Guys who played for a handful of games, and trying
Speaker 1: to weigh and evaluate what each of those players are
Speaker 1: doing given those circumstances has been challenging. And then when
Speaker 1: you throw in the fact that the combine is not
Speaker 1: in existence, this is kind of like the last or
Speaker 1: rough where a lot of people and some of these
Speaker 1: people never got a chance to start it. And so
Speaker 1: how do you wait all of those mitigating factors when
Speaker 1: coming up with your final evaluation. Those final evaluations are
Speaker 1: gonna be crazy this year, I think whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to no combine, a lot of pro days in the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl is really what you're going to go by.
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys are having to do the same exact thing, Katie,
Speaker 1: and with their being a lot of the storylines in
Speaker 1: the highlight real plays of course going to go around
Speaker 1: the offense whenever you look at the highlight reels later
Speaker 1: in the week from the Senior Bowl. But the defenses
Speaker 1: have really had a leg up through the first two
Speaker 1: days of practices, which is not to be a surprise
Speaker 1: by any means, But what do you feel like that
Speaker 1: has done for you when you look at the defensive
Speaker 1: prospects that are down in Mobile right now, anybody that
Speaker 1: sticks out to you the fact that the defenses have
Speaker 1: kind of taken that upper hand. Yeah, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean the first thing I always think about with the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl is like not to freak out about it,
Speaker 1: you know, because you get all these like one on
Speaker 1: one refs and things like that. Not to freak out
Speaker 1: about it. Mutrolink it for something that confirms maybe what
Speaker 1: you've seen on tape. Well. But one thing that I've
Speaker 1: really I really enjoyed I was, you know, following this
Speaker 1: through multiple mediums. I was watching Bucky's coverage on the
Speaker 1: NFL Network and they had Matt Rule on and Matt
Speaker 1: Rules talking about how they politicked to get to the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl because they wanted to meet players knowing that
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be a formal combine. And I couldn't
Speaker 1: help but think, man, that is such an advantage for
Speaker 1: them picking eight two picks ahead of the Cowboy is
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be great if the Cowboys had a
Speaker 1: lot of people there. I know they not sending a
Speaker 1: lot of coaches and things that that, but scouts are
Speaker 1: going to be there. Um, But like that is like
Speaker 1: this is a big opportunity and a big chance but
Speaker 1: in terms of like players that have really stood out.
Speaker 1: If you are a team like the Cowboys who needs
Speaker 1: a lot of defense, it's it's really hard to ignore
Speaker 1: all the incredible offensive talent we've seen. Um, but you
Speaker 1: know the guys that have attracted my eye a little bit,
Speaker 1: Like you're looking for safety? Uh, you know what can
Speaker 1: can Richie Grant do for you? Are you interested in
Speaker 1: a natural dean? And how healthy is he even though
Speaker 1: he's that strong safety type, a little different, you know?
Speaker 1: And and Aaron Robinson the cornerback, I think as a
Speaker 1: guy kind of finding out, you know, Kenny play outside,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's the whole thing I mean with him,
Speaker 1: I think you've got a really good player. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't have him been kind of my group of first
Speaker 1: round guys, but you start talking about day two now,
Speaker 1: I think Aaron Robinson's a guy who might be in
Speaker 1: the mix for the Cowboys that picked forty four. And uh,
Speaker 1: he's someone that I'm really going to be watching. I
Speaker 1: have been watching, and we'll be watching as we move
Speaker 1: forward to Saturday. Bucky, in that conversation with Matt Rule yesterday,
Speaker 1: did you really get that it was an individual advantage?
Speaker 1: To the Carolina Panthers. Of course, he's in his second
Speaker 1: year as the head coach. But what did you get
Speaker 1: from Matt Rule? I mean, the intensity of his practices
Speaker 1: were incredible, and I've known Matt for my time in Waco,
Speaker 1: But I mean you continue that to the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: It looks like they haven't skipped a rep. No, they
Speaker 1: haven't skipped a beat. I think this is really important
Speaker 1: in a huge advantage for the Carolina Panthers and a
Speaker 1: couple of different things. One, they get a chance to
Speaker 1: be around all these guys and so for a week,
Speaker 1: they get to be around not only their own team,
Speaker 1: but the other team. And so to build those relationships,
Speaker 1: especially when you're not going to have the face to
Speaker 1: face interactions at the combine and maybe even private workhouts,
Speaker 1: that's a huge advantage. Secondly, they're just coming from the
Speaker 1: college game, and so Matt talked about they've recruited a
Speaker 1: lot of these players, so they already have built in
Speaker 1: some of those relationships. And as you begin to think
Speaker 1: about guys who have played guys who haven't played, you're
Speaker 1: more likely to lean to those that you know, those
Speaker 1: that you've kind of seen along the way. I think
Speaker 1: for Matt Ruling, the Panthers they have a huge advantage
Speaker 1: over a lot of teams in the league because their
Speaker 1: college experience and what they're being able to experience down
Speaker 1: in Mobile. One of the big things he did talk
Speaker 1: about in that conversation was the fact that you want
Speaker 1: each rep to put good tape out there. He wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure that each of these players know that
Speaker 1: this is that special opportunity for not only the coaches,
Speaker 1: but for the prospects as well. Dane, who has put
Speaker 1: some good tape out there on the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the football. I know, I was really impressed by the
Speaker 1: ad rushers yesterday and one on ones. I thought they
Speaker 1: were good for the second straight year. After going last
Speaker 1: year and really being impressed by a couple of those guys,
Speaker 1: I thought they backed that up and continued to have
Speaker 1: some success on the outside. Yeah, and the real quickly
Speaker 1: to back up what Bucky just said, I think he's
Speaker 1: absolutely right about the Panthers having an advantage here because
Speaker 1: not only are they going to know who's going to
Speaker 1: fit for them, they're gonna understand pretty clearly who's not
Speaker 1: going to be a fit for them and be able
Speaker 1: to eliminate guys based off how it things go. And look,
Speaker 1: all teams are gonna have access down here. They've got
Speaker 1: a you know, plexiglass set up down um, you know,
Speaker 1: in a in an interview kind of station for all
Speaker 1: the teams at night to go through and talk to
Speaker 1: these guys. But the opportunity that Dolphins and Panthers have
Speaker 1: is profound, so especially this year. But in terms of
Speaker 1: the defensive guys, you know, I think that you know,
Speaker 1: Katie mentioned Richie Grant. I think he's definitely flashed. You
Speaker 1: see the play speed. You see a guy that trust
Speaker 1: when he sees, he goes and he makes plays on
Speaker 1: the ball. Even when he gives up a completion, he's
Speaker 1: still ball searching and trying to rip the ball out
Speaker 1: and sometimes he's been able to uh the USC defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: It's been tough for blockers to contain him. And then
Speaker 1: both Notre Dame defensive lineman I've really stood out day
Speaker 1: a goodness, did jay I butchered that? But his length,
Speaker 1: I tell you is really he's showing why length matters,
Speaker 1: rushing from inside, rushing from outside. Blocker's having a tough
Speaker 1: time with him. And then Dalen Hayes. You're seeing his
Speaker 1: athleticism off the edge. And one thing that's really stood
Speaker 1: out with Hayes is when he's come off the field
Speaker 1: from a rep, he's immediately running over to a coach
Speaker 1: and I'm watching this from the stands from twenty feet away.
Speaker 1: He's having dialogue with this coach, going through the technique
Speaker 1: that he's using and just having that interaction. And this
Speaker 1: is a player that understands the value of this week
Speaker 1: and the opportunity that he has. He's not treating it
Speaker 1: like just another practice. He's treating this like a job interview.
Speaker 1: And so far, so good for Dalen Hayes. Hayes had
Speaker 1: a strip sack of Phelipe Franks in the one on
Speaker 1: ones area. Wasn't even one on ones. It was in
Speaker 1: the middle of I think team drill. He came up
Speaker 1: and had a strip sack from behind. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was impressive yesterday, Katie'd you see anybody on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the football that really stuck out to you?
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, Cowboys are very interested in looking
Speaker 1: at defensive talent while they're in mobile. I was looking yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I mean they've taken a look into the majority
Speaker 1: of those guys that are down there at the moment, Hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I look, defensive line is also
Speaker 1: an area that this team is going to need to
Speaker 1: look at, whether it's inside or whether it is rushing. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought Basham had a good day on
Speaker 1: Day one from from But but you know, another another
Speaker 1: guy who I think I really liked his twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: tape and his twenty twenty tape. To me, I kind
Speaker 1: of would view it is maybe a little bit of
Speaker 1: a regression for probably a multitude of reasons. But I
Speaker 1: thought Marvin Wilson's looked okay in what I've seen. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen every rep that that's been down there,
Speaker 1: as I'm not there, but like Marvin Wilson to me,
Speaker 1: is a guy who I still think has that potential
Speaker 1: to sneak into Day two and kind of be a
Speaker 1: guy who could play the one for you, play the
Speaker 1: three if you need him to, and kind of do
Speaker 1: a little bit of both at the defensive tackle position.
Speaker 1: Is you know, for me, I'm not comfortable with just
Speaker 1: saying Okay, Tristan Hill and Neville Gallimore go get it.
Speaker 1: You know, I do think they're gonna have to add
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, and will they want to invest in that,
Speaker 1: you know position in the first three year ounds. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they would do that. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much, say dan Quinn is gonna gonna have and
Speaker 1: how they draft. You know, I can't help but think
Speaker 1: about some of these It's amazing when you watch these
Speaker 1: one on one drills when we're talking about throwing the
Speaker 1: ball through the air, and I can't help but feel
Speaker 1: bad for some of these defensive backs and one on
Speaker 1: one situations. But some of these shifty guys who are
Speaker 1: getting open, and I'm just like, Okay, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: knock this cornerback too bad, because you know what, covering
Speaker 1: am Maari Rodgers is a real hard thing to do, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna kill that defensive back. But I
Speaker 1: felt really bad for the Florida state safety Hampson nasual Deed,
Speaker 1: who's got to take part in these drills. And one
Speaker 1: he's not one hundred percent, it doesn't appear. And two
Speaker 1: he should never ever in this world, ever be asked
Speaker 1: to cover you know, a faster guy, you know, and
Speaker 1: you know he burned a couple of times in one
Speaker 1: on one drills, I'm like, oh, I kind of feel
Speaker 1: bad for my guy Hompsa there, because you know, in
Speaker 1: a real game, no coach is gonna put him in
Speaker 1: that position. But here he's going out there and he's
Speaker 1: competing and doing the rep and sometimes it's maybe not
Speaker 1: working out as well as you like. But it's just
Speaker 1: just little things like that. I try not to over
Speaker 1: I try have to overhype it. You take what you
Speaker 1: you see, you just kind of add it to the
Speaker 1: context of the full thing. And I learned that from Dane.
Speaker 1: Dane taught me that you always add what you see
Speaker 1: to the full context of the tape. Study, Bucky, did
Speaker 1: you see some of that same stuff yesterday? Whenever it
Speaker 1: came to maybe the secondary I thought, when I was
Speaker 1: looking at Marvin Wilson, I was pretty under und I
Speaker 1: guess impressed. I wasn't very impressed with Marvin Wilson. Yeah, underwell,
Speaker 1: and that's the word I was looking for. But I
Speaker 1: was not very impressed with with Marvin Wilson whenever it
Speaker 1: came to his tape. And like Katie said, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen every rep either. I mean we haven't been able
Speaker 1: to see every rep like you guys have no So
Speaker 1: the funny thing about Marvin Wilson is I actually liked
Speaker 1: his tape from two seasons ago. Like I think he
Speaker 1: was a big time high school recruit. He comes in,
Speaker 1: he's powerful, he does a really good job of using
Speaker 1: his power to his advantage. He's not necessarily a twitch
Speaker 1: athlete on the inside, and so the thing about defensive tackles,
Speaker 1: and I think in today's game, it's hard to really
Speaker 1: put a high grade on an interior player if they
Speaker 1: can't really rush the passer consistently. And when I look
Speaker 1: at his game, he can do that. I do wander
Speaker 1: down inimobile how much the knee is affecting him, because
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily the same explosive, dominant player that we've
Speaker 1: seen at times, and so I would like to see
Speaker 1: more of that. I think Levi Anserrique, I think the
Speaker 1: first day he was really impressive in the fact that
Speaker 1: he hadn't played all fall. He goes out there, he
Speaker 1: has the technique. Now he missed his day two, and
Speaker 1: so you just kind of wanted is that him trying
Speaker 1: to get his sea legs back? Is he going to
Speaker 1: do anything else but for me the snap to pop
Speaker 1: the ability to play with his hands. I think his
Speaker 1: hand skills are very, very impressive. I kind of wrote
Speaker 1: in my nose like he's kind of missed Yagi and
Speaker 1: turns of the way he waxes on and waxes off
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback. He's really intriguing in the
Speaker 1: back end. You know, it's really hard because I'm looking
Speaker 1: at some of the small school standouts right Like, so
Speaker 1: Robert Rochelle from Central Arkansas to me as a natural player,
Speaker 1: super fast athlete, and the thing that I kind of
Speaker 1: want to see is not necessarily like how fast and
Speaker 1: how explosive he is, but how far away is he
Speaker 1: from being a guy that can be a frontline player,
Speaker 1: Like looking at his raw ability, how much seasoning would
Speaker 1: he need before he can get out there and do
Speaker 1: some things. But he's really explosive, and the fact that
Speaker 1: he gets his hands on the ball when you watch
Speaker 1: him at Central Arkansas, I think it makes him a
Speaker 1: very intriguing an option, particularly if you're the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: we know that they need more corners, particularly with all
Speaker 1: those guys that could be impending free agents. With Robert Rochelle,
Speaker 1: and you can see that speed right away, you don't
Speaker 1: have to squint, that's for sure. And even when he
Speaker 1: full steps or he's out of position, he he's able
Speaker 1: to recover really quickly. And that's uh, that's pretty evident.
Speaker 1: And you know, going back to the Marvin Wilson conversation,
Speaker 1: it's you know, I think the it did not start
Speaker 1: as a great week for him at weigh ends when
Speaker 1: he came in at three twenty. Uh. You know, I
Speaker 1: think he's a player based off that twenty nineteen film
Speaker 1: where he was more in the three or five range.
Speaker 1: That's the player we want to see because he flashes power,
Speaker 1: he flashes you know, foot quickness, but he needs to
Speaker 1: put it all together and play just with more consistency
Speaker 1: than what we saw on the twenty twenty film. So, uh,
Speaker 1: it's been an up and down week for him. Uh.
Speaker 1: Defensive tackles, it's just not a great group down here,
Speaker 1: like we've talked about. So teams are searching for those
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. They want one of these defensive tackles to emerge.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll happen on day three here this afternoon. But
Speaker 1: I agree with Bucky uh Levi onz workI has been
Speaker 1: just uh, you know, the first day he was terrific.
Speaker 1: He's he's showing why he has a chance to go
Speaker 1: in the first round. Uh. You know, he played out
Speaker 1: a position at that nose tow spot and that Washington
Speaker 1: Odd front and you know, get him here where he
Speaker 1: can just kind of let loose and you know, get
Speaker 1: those one on one matchups. You see the violence, you
Speaker 1: see the hand strength, the quickness that he plays with.
Speaker 1: He's a fun player, Ansoique. Whenever it came to Day one,
Speaker 1: I mean I was impressed, much like Bucky was. And
Speaker 1: then he wasn't on the field yesterday, and you just
Speaker 1: mentioned kind of the special player that he could potentially
Speaker 1: be as a twenty twenty opt out. I'm interested in
Speaker 1: him in the second round if I'm Dallas, I really am.
Speaker 1: I think in this at forty four, if he makes
Speaker 1: it that far, I mean, I think he's probably the
Speaker 1: best chance to maybe separate himself a little bit whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to this defensive tackle class, because like you said,
Speaker 1: it's not a great group and mobile that's not really
Speaker 1: a great group overall when you look at this twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one class. But Dane, have you heard anything on
Speaker 1: his availability? Buck He said he missed yesterday, But you
Speaker 1: have you heard anything. Just being in Mobile, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's probably out for the week. I would guess. I'd
Speaker 1: don't know that, but I would guess during Tuesday practice,
Speaker 1: the first practice, he actually he left with one of
Speaker 1: the trainers real quick and then came back, so I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure what was going on. And then he decided that,
Speaker 1: you know, just to be safe, probably shut it down,
Speaker 1: which you know, it's it's tough when you opt out
Speaker 1: of a season like that. You're putting all your eggs
Speaker 1: in one basket in the pre drift process, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now we don't have a combine. So okay,
Speaker 1: now it comes down to the Senior Bowl and you've
Speaker 1: got one practice, which is not ideal. But you know,
Speaker 1: he puts some good stuff on film, so it's and
Speaker 1: like I said, it's gonna be interesting this year with
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle group that we have. You know, are
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna get pushed up a little bit
Speaker 1: just because teams still need into your defensive line help.
Speaker 1: So the Christian Barmore's, the own Zeriqus, both USC defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: These guys are gonna get pushed up maybe five ten
Speaker 1: picks earlier than they would normally go just because teams
Speaker 1: are looking for those defensive tackles this year, Katie, you
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys would be go for it, Bucky, No,
Speaker 1: I think Dane is his nail something because I do
Speaker 1: believe supplying to man, because they're not many those who
Speaker 1: flash a little bit will be overdrafted or drafted before
Speaker 1: we expect. And so like a guy like Ozerick, we
Speaker 1: can say, hey, will he be there for the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: He may have a chance that when you're at the
Speaker 1: bottom of the first round and you don't have another
Speaker 1: pick until late in the second round, you may have
Speaker 1: to say, look, I need a defensive tackle. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take him now, even though it's not necessarily where the
Speaker 1: grade equates, because I just don't know if you go
Speaker 1: to the second go round, if there's going to be
Speaker 1: a guy that's even comparable to those kinds of talents. Dan,
Speaker 1: do you have a compet there's a big drop off.
Speaker 1: Go for a KT he get go ahead, Caw, You're good.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask Dane real quickly, do you
Speaker 1: have a comp for Levi on Zerika? Yet? I don't
Speaker 1: think I put an exact comp on him. I you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's tough because I gave him I think he
Speaker 1: was number forty three overall my top one hundred coming
Speaker 1: into the week because I wanted to see him this
Speaker 1: week's wanted to see how he would do, because, like
Speaker 1: I said, we saw him the two nineteen stuff at
Speaker 1: Washington where he's playing head up over the center, you know,
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of doubles, not getting a chance to
Speaker 1: really let loose. But he's so active, and I mean
Speaker 1: he's the prototypical three technique in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: you know, not the biggest guy, but so quick, so violent.
Speaker 1: Just he needs to be a little more leveraged with
Speaker 1: his attack, but it once he figures that out. I
Speaker 1: mean that this is what a twitchy big man looks like,
Speaker 1: his own Zurique. So I think Bucky's right, You're sitting
Speaker 1: there in the late first round and you really want
Speaker 1: that interior defensive line help get that juice, and you're
Speaker 1: not liking your options in a late second. So it
Speaker 1: would him not be shocked at all if we're talking
Speaker 1: about own Zerique at the first round pick. He kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me, like a on film anyways, of a
Speaker 1: Justin Mattabeke, at least what he looked like from Texas
Speaker 1: A and M last year. I see a lot of
Speaker 1: them two together in a couple different spots, Katie, whenever
Speaker 1: you look at defensive tackle, I know the cow Boys
Speaker 1: are absolutely interested in and do you think they would
Speaker 1: be willing to be one of those teams that stretches
Speaker 1: on a guy in the second round like that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think they'll do. You know, I hope
Speaker 1: they have the philosophy have taken the best player. But
Speaker 1: you know, looking at their history, they've popped some guys
Speaker 1: in the third round and Neville Gallamore and MALIEK. Collins
Speaker 1: in recent history, they've been a team that definitely roadmaps
Speaker 1: the draft. You know, they they really pay attention to
Speaker 1: depth of the draft, and they kind of gauge it
Speaker 1: that way, like I have I need to get a
Speaker 1: guy here. That means I'm gonna have to go secondary here.
Speaker 1: They do those types of things, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what it might come down to. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we go back to whole. I think when you do
Speaker 1: have a regime in place, even though it's changed with
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, it's still Will McClay and Stephen Jones primarily
Speaker 1: picking players you do have a history and something to
Speaker 1: go off of and kind of how they like to operate,
Speaker 1: and it really feels like they like to stand in there,
Speaker 1: make the pick and hopefully that's the best player. I'll
Speaker 1: say this, and we're talking talking defense, it'd be really
Speaker 1: hard if you're a Cowboys scouting you're out there at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Uh, and you know about your injury
Speaker 1: history and the offensive line though, if you're not seeing
Speaker 1: some offensive lineman and they're not making your mouth water
Speaker 1: a little bit as well. So I mean they have
Speaker 1: to add a defensive tackle or two, whether it's through draft,
Speaker 1: free agency, they have to do that. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: if if anso Rique is there at forty four, maybe
Speaker 1: that's your guy. Uh. Well, we're kind of talking about
Speaker 1: the the drop off like and not necessarily a really
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. It can be defensive end as well. And
Speaker 1: they're gonna be another defensive end as well. Like you
Speaker 1: start talking about, Okay, well I want one of these
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh guys to step up, Like is Rashad Weaver or
Speaker 1: Patrick Jones going to kind of separate themselves? And then
Speaker 1: if we're just going like on a board. Lonzo Rique
Speaker 1: is a way a better player than uh, you know,
Speaker 1: than than a Weaver or a better player than Patrick Jones.
Speaker 1: And those are the kind of guys who I want
Speaker 1: to see. Those guys who you may have, you know,
Speaker 1: round four, round three, round four type of grade on
Speaker 1: maybe you're on fives, have a grade on how big
Speaker 1: of an impact can they go have this week to
Speaker 1: bault themselves into the conversation on day two and you're
Speaker 1: looking for that, So like all eyes on Rashad Weaver,
Speaker 1: go make some plays, all eyes on Patrick Jones, who
Speaker 1: now I love his build and I love some of
Speaker 1: his tape and then some of it I'm very wishy
Speaker 1: wash you on. So those are the types of guys
Speaker 1: who you really want to really have their stock rise.
Speaker 1: Let game stop this week. You had to throw the
Speaker 1: game stop in there. Huh. I like that. That was
Speaker 1: fantastic throwing in the game stop reference. That's good. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about Patrick Jones at some point and
Speaker 1: maybe even Ellison Smith out of Northern Iowa. I think
Speaker 1: both of those guys as ed dreshers made some money
Speaker 1: this week. I liked with Patrick Jones brought to the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl this week, but we'll talk about that coming
Speaker 1: up here just a little bit, because we have to
Speaker 1: take our first break. And the reason why we're taking
Speaker 1: our first break is because we've got Twitter on the twenty.
Speaker 1: On the other side of it, we've got a ton
Speaker 1: of great questions surrounding the Senior Bowl. How much of
Speaker 1: these all school guys improved their draft stock like game stop.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that next when we return on the
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Speaker 1: the second segment. Here at the Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: Draft Show, we've got Bucky Brooks, Dane Burglar, Kevin Turner,
Speaker 1: und Kyle Yeomens. It's time now for some Twitter on
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Speaker 1: And I want to spend a split second here to
Speaker 1: thank everybody who's sending in these questions because they've been great.
Speaker 1: I mean great questions were not only just this week,
Speaker 1: but all year long. And then everybody keeping up along
Speaker 1: the way with the Draft Show. I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: know what's Senior Bowl week, and so we got a
Speaker 1: ton of really good Senior Bowl questions to kind of
Speaker 1: keep with the theme. Today, we're gonna start off with
Speaker 1: Jason Pruett and this is a question I had for
Speaker 1: Dane and Bucky and Katie throughout yesterday's practice. But how
Speaker 1: far do you think guys like Quinn Mayners, the center
Speaker 1: out of Wisconsin Whitewater, known for flattening trees and going
Speaker 1: viral on Instagram and Twitter throughout the off season. He's
Speaker 1: the center who really had a good first couple of days.
Speaker 1: And then Duwayne Eskridge, the wide receiver from Western Michigan.
Speaker 1: How far have they risen due to their performance so far?
Speaker 1: In Mobile Dane Brugler, no one has risen more than
Speaker 1: Quinn Miners, No one. This guy has been dominant this week.
Speaker 1: It's been amazing. The watch and listen. I'm a mount
Speaker 1: Union alone. I go out of my way to talk
Speaker 1: nicely about Wisconsin Whitewater. Okay, the twenty seven Stag Bowl
Speaker 1: still stings, No, it pains me a little bit, But
Speaker 1: I tell you what, Quinn Miners, what he's done this
Speaker 1: week has been fantastic And it's funny. You watch. You know,
Speaker 1: he didn't play this year twenty twenty Division three, they
Speaker 1: did not have a season. But you watch this who
Speaker 1: has a nineteen film and it's good, but it's not great.
Speaker 1: It's not like you know, he doesn't necessarily dominate like
Speaker 1: you would expect at the Division three level. I remember
Speaker 1: watching Ali Marpette coming out of Hobart, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: sitting down watching this left tackle just dominate. And then
Speaker 1: he goes to the Senior Bowl, does the same thing
Speaker 1: with Miners. He you know, he wasn't He wouldn't even
Speaker 1: be here if Landon Dickerson doesn't have his injury, and
Speaker 1: so that opens the door from Miners. He comes here
Speaker 1: and you can tell he's been working his butt off
Speaker 1: the last year with no season, he's been training. You know,
Speaker 1: his body looks completely different than it did on tape,
Speaker 1: and he show he's showing a better understanding of how
Speaker 1: to use he used that body. He's playing low, he's
Speaker 1: playing controlled. The foot quickness is there. You can tell
Speaker 1: he's a very smart guy with the way he's reacting.
Speaker 1: But I tell you talking to a scout last night
Speaker 1: about him, they had six seventh round grades on Miners
Speaker 1: just based off of his two nineteen film. Now now
Speaker 1: is the great debate is how much do you elevate
Speaker 1: a player like this based off of three days of
Speaker 1: practice compared to three years of film. Obviously, competition that
Speaker 1: he's facing this week is like nothing he's ever seen
Speaker 1: at the Division three level, but still it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a really fascinating topic. I think it's fair to, you know,
Speaker 1: talk about him in the top one hundred conversation. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's worked. He's gone from the
Speaker 1: late rounds to early day three and now teams in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred looking for a guard center who
Speaker 1: has the quickness that he does, the intelligence, the nasty
Speaker 1: that he plays with, they're gonna have Quinn Miners conversation.
Speaker 1: So it's been really fun to see him and Dwayne
Speaker 1: s Gridge, who you know, I in my Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: preview I kind of pegged him as maybe a guy
Speaker 1: that could be like a Terry McLaurin in terms of
Speaker 1: being a riser because he's his max stuff. This year
Speaker 1: was just great. He looked like, uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: cornerbacks in that league were just kind of standing still
Speaker 1: with the way he moves out there, and he hasn't disappointed.
Speaker 1: His play speed has allowed him to get open with ease.
Speaker 1: And it's not just his play speed but his ability
Speaker 1: to be a natural catcher of the the football that allows
Speaker 1: him to play fast because he can really focus on
Speaker 1: the football and be a creator after the catch. So
Speaker 1: both those guys have been two of the winners so
Speaker 1: far this week. You know, Dane is funny that you
Speaker 1: bring up the minors conversation because I think that is
Speaker 1: one that is fascinating. I know he had worked with
Speaker 1: Duke manny Weather for the offseason. I think Duke has
Speaker 1: done a really good job of helping him with the technique.
Speaker 1: But in our conversation, we had a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to him and he talked about the work that he
Speaker 1: put in and how he came down with a single
Speaker 1: mindset to being able to dominate and to be able
Speaker 1: to take the things that he has learned along the
Speaker 1: way and put him in the practice. And he said
Speaker 1: that the Miami Dolphins he's on the Dolphins, they have
Speaker 1: he talked about they have thrown a lot at him
Speaker 1: to know and learn and to make the checks and
Speaker 1: to do all that stuff, and he's embraced it. And
Speaker 1: as you talk about, whenever d three players shows up
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, you always want to see that
Speaker 1: they look like a fish out of water. And the
Speaker 1: fact that he has been able to dominate elite competition,
Speaker 1: to me, I think it changes a narrative, even though
Speaker 1: the tape in the past may have been up and down.
Speaker 1: To see him physically kind of man handle some of
Speaker 1: these guys, I think it's certainly it's gonna make him
Speaker 1: an intriguing prospect. To Watson, you talked about top one hundred.
Speaker 1: I think he is right there in that Day three
Speaker 1: third round conversation because everything that he's put on tape
Speaker 1: this week has been outstanding. Yeah, it really has been.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm getting flashes of you know, Ryan Jensen. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good comparison. Yeah, and you know Ryan Jensen
Speaker 1: obviously came up. You know, the Ravens were able to
Speaker 1: find him, and then he signed a good sized deal
Speaker 1: with Tampa. Uh. It's it's been fun because, like you said,
Speaker 1: he has not looked. He has not looking I mentioned
Speaker 1: how he got the invite. He's a Landon Dickerson. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, you would expect on paper to be a
Speaker 1: huge drop off from Dickerson, who his first round tape
Speaker 1: compared to a D three player, but it just it
Speaker 1: hasn't been a huge drop off, which has been fantastic
Speaker 1: to see. And uh, you know, now now that the
Speaker 1: conversation switches to okay, So where where do you where
Speaker 1: do you put him on the draft board? And that's
Speaker 1: that's that's a really fascinating conversation that teams are gonna
Speaker 1: have to have. So it helps that he's, you know,
Speaker 1: the work ethic, that he shows the way it not
Speaker 1: he can just he can talk to talk and walk
Speaker 1: the walk, which has been been great. And you know
Speaker 1: for small school guys like you know Dave Moore from
Speaker 1: Grambling State who has been here h first day he
Speaker 1: looked like a fish out of water a little bit,
Speaker 1: but on day two he made some necessary improvements. Him
Speaker 1: and Carlos Basham had some really good battles on day
Speaker 1: two and that's what you want to see from a
Speaker 1: small school or is that gradual progression? But it wasn't
Speaker 1: like that with minors. He hit the ground running from
Speaker 1: that first snap. One of the first draft scouting lessons
Speaker 1: I ever learned whenever I took over the hosting of
Speaker 1: the draft show last year was Katie and he said,
Speaker 1: if you see a small school guy, he wants he
Speaker 1: needs to look like a grown man playing against eight
Speaker 1: year olds. And that's what the tape looks like for miners.
Speaker 1: And then he comes out and he does the same
Speaker 1: thing for the Senior Bowl, and the way that he
Speaker 1: dominates the Senior Bowl is just impressive as well. But Katie,
Speaker 1: this is actually go into our second question on Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty and Grady asked what small school guys
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl could interest the Cowboys more. Of course,
Speaker 1: Dallas being a scouting department in a front office that's
Speaker 1: very heavy toward the bigger school guys at least for
Speaker 1: the most part, with some of those premium picks. But
Speaker 1: is there anybody out of these guys or anybody at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl that are from the small schools that
Speaker 1: could potentially interest you? Well, right, I think you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen the Cowboys well we know, we know offensive
Speaker 1: line is something they might have to consider. We've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about Trey Lance and things like that. Maybe
Speaker 1: we need to talk about the tackle Dylan Raduns at
Speaker 1: North Dakota State, you know, for him, My question coming
Speaker 1: off of watching his take was how well can he
Speaker 1: handle a speed rush? Now watch this one on one drills, Like,
Speaker 1: obviously you know the guy's pass rushing you, so like
Speaker 1: you're ready, you know, But to me, I've seen a
Speaker 1: little bit of you see the power, the ability to
Speaker 1: stay balanced, how faster his feed is kind of what
Speaker 1: I'm watching for with Dylan Rdons. But that's a guy
Speaker 1: who could be in the mix and maybe be someone
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys would consider, you know, whar we're talking
Speaker 1: day two, maybe maybe a fourth round type of guy.
Speaker 1: You know him on tape. I have him as a
Speaker 1: third round grade. So you know, that's a small school
Speaker 1: guy that we need to get some love too. And
Speaker 1: you know, Bucky mentioned you know Robert Rochelle earlier from
Speaker 1: Central Arkansas, And I think one thing that I was
Speaker 1: kind of piecing together as you think about Will McClay
Speaker 1: and how he kind of has looked at defensive backs
Speaker 1: over the years. One thing that they really love. They
Speaker 1: loved those spark scores. They love those guys who can test.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've had someone text me, you know
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, Robert Rochelle is gonna
Speaker 1: be a guy that is gonna you know, if he
Speaker 1: was invited to combine, would would test really well. And
Speaker 1: when teams do get his testing numbers, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: blown away by some of the numbers that he puts up.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a guy. You know that We'll
Speaker 1: have the Cowboys interests no matter what. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: these all school guys are getting some love and getting
Speaker 1: some shine because it's always some of the like some
Speaker 1: of the fun, but also difficult things. When you're watching
Speaker 1: tape of these guys, as brought us always says, there's
Speaker 1: a bounce house, you know, back there while they're playing
Speaker 1: and things like that, and there's ten people in the stands,
Speaker 1: it could be hard to go okay, Well, how was
Speaker 1: that gonna stack up when it's time to go block
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa. Well, it's probably not gonna go well for
Speaker 1: anyone who has to block Nick Bosa, But like you
Speaker 1: really have to try to go okay, how are they
Speaker 1: going to handle this next level of competition? And to
Speaker 1: see these small school guys Jalen Moore's another guy. To
Speaker 1: see those guys do well is very encouraging because it's
Speaker 1: something that helps you with your evaluation a lot. I'd
Speaker 1: throw Kay Johnson in there as well. The South Dakota Yeah,
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's done a really nice job this week.
Speaker 1: He's he's undersized, but he's catching everything his way. His
Speaker 1: route quickness has been impressive. And this isn't the guy
Speaker 1: who was a walk on at South Dakota State, not
Speaker 1: just an FCS guy. He had a walk on, which
Speaker 1: is really impressive. I know, Bucky, you'll appreciate this, but
Speaker 1: I got some Dennis Northcut vibes from Kase just you
Speaker 1: know a slot who's tough, he can work the middle
Speaker 1: of the field. You know the quickness that he plays with.
Speaker 1: So he's a good player. He's a really good player,
Speaker 1: very productive. I think when you look at his numbers
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty nine receptions, twenty five hundred plus
Speaker 1: yards and twenty five touchdowns, the ability to put the
Speaker 1: ball into paint, to me is really important. I like
Speaker 1: to see guys score touchdowns because most guys who score
Speaker 1: touchdowns at Laura levels, they score touchdowns in the pros.
Speaker 1: I think the one thing Kat you brought up about
Speaker 1: Robert Rochelle, here's something that I think we all can
Speaker 1: learn from when we talk about like a guy who's
Speaker 1: a freak athlete. This year more than any of the year,
Speaker 1: going back to people's high school track times, that is
Speaker 1: going to matter the fact that he ran ten eight
Speaker 1: in high school in Louisiana, which has produced some track
Speaker 1: and field athletes. That helps him because when you don't
Speaker 1: have the combine in pro days all subjective, the fact
Speaker 1: that you can pull the page and say he was
Speaker 1: a ten aide in high school, you can kind of
Speaker 1: project out what that looks like. He is a guy
Speaker 1: that is going to probably be drafted and higher than
Speaker 1: most of us talk about just because he's a size
Speaker 1: speed phena and he does have ball skills on tape. Now,
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point. I think that'll help
Speaker 1: Dwayne Eskridge as well, who he won the two hundred
Speaker 1: meters as a junior and then as a senior won
Speaker 1: one hundred meters and the two hundred meters. I think
Speaker 1: he was a ten five guy. So uh yeah, So
Speaker 1: I think that'll that's that's a great point, Bucky, because
Speaker 1: that's some of those, uh some of those numbers. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to come from Pro days
Speaker 1: and all that, but if you ran fast in high school,
Speaker 1: then you know, I think that kind of sets the
Speaker 1: stage for the type of athlete you are. That's some
Speaker 1: Bucky Brook speed out there is what Dwayne Eskridge is
Speaker 1: putting on film. Yeah, No, not like that, not even
Speaker 1: close to Bucky brook Speed. That's what we're talking about now.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm waiting for a Burgler to bring out
Speaker 1: a compy like, Oh, he reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks back in the day. How about that? But
Speaker 1: do com let's go DD on Twitter ass thoughts on
Speaker 1: a wake Forest quarterback Jamie Newman so far and what
Speaker 1: he could bring as a mid round option at quarterback
Speaker 1: once again, another opt out and somebody who actually transferred
Speaker 1: then opted out and never got to play a snap
Speaker 1: at his various schools. But Bucky, what do you think
Speaker 1: about Jamie Newman and what he's brought so far? You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. He's a wild card to me. But I
Speaker 1: think right now the quarterback position, in terms of evaluating it,
Speaker 1: I have no idea how to do it based on
Speaker 1: the players that are playing in the league. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: John Wolford start for the Rams and they're talking about
Speaker 1: him competing for a job with Jared Golf. I've seen
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill go from being a guy that was a
Speaker 1: runner only at by U Taxi starting games, and so
Speaker 1: now I'm more than ever you have to use imagination.
Speaker 1: I think for Jamie Newman. Look, he's a talented doing
Speaker 1: thread playmaker. He's more of an athlete than a passer.
Speaker 1: You go back and look at him at wake for us,
Speaker 1: when he runs the football, he's rugging and all that.
Speaker 1: But he's a hit or miss passer, and so what
Speaker 1: do you do with that? And so I see him
Speaker 1: as a developmental prospect. I think the thing that he's
Speaker 1: done best down at the Senior Bowl is when they
Speaker 1: get him on the move, particularly when he's rolling to
Speaker 1: his right. He can do the movement stuff. But I
Speaker 1: think he is someone that a coach has to take
Speaker 1: a personal interest in a less take him, less develop him.
Speaker 1: Let's see who we can get as a guy that
Speaker 1: comes in as a later round prospect, someone that we
Speaker 1: can stash on the practice squad and maybe down the
Speaker 1: line he can pop and do something for us. Then
Speaker 1: one thing I'll say about Newman is I think you
Speaker 1: expected a little bit of a rush factor with him
Speaker 1: this week, just because he you know, he's been throwing obviously,
Speaker 1: but he didn't play this year as an opt out.
Speaker 1: But to his credit, he has looked pretty smooth. You know,
Speaker 1: he has looked as consistent, if not more so than
Speaker 1: a Kellen Mond in terms of throwing the football down
Speaker 1: the field. So that's a good thing for him. The
Speaker 1: biggest thing for Jamie Newman this week is probably going
Speaker 1: to be behind the scenes and the interviews. Um. Just
Speaker 1: you know, their teams are going to grill them and say, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know you you you left your teammates at Wake
Speaker 1: Forest for what you thought was a better opportunity than
Speaker 1: you left that opportunity without even suiting. You know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna grow them on some of his decisions, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's he has to be ready for that. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's prepared for those, uh, those questions, but he
Speaker 1: has to come up with the answers that are really
Speaker 1: going to satisfy teams for why he made the decisions
Speaker 1: that he did. I hate quarterbacks, um, and just swhere
Speaker 1: I'm at. That's the quote of the day. It's just
Speaker 1: I hate quarterbacks. I'm gonna make T shirts quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't enjoy scouting them anymore. It's not fun to be anymore. Uh,
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are difficult, man, Um. And you know what, Dak
Speaker 1: might have been the one that ruined that for me. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh why didn't I have him graded higher?
Speaker 1: Why did I not have Dak stuck granted higher? Maybe
Speaker 1: it's that I hate quarterback action, Katie. I think it's
Speaker 1: a different it's a different times it's evolved, and it's
Speaker 1: involved right in front of our eyes, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you talk about Dak, I mean Dak ad Mississippi State,
Speaker 1: like we talked about like he was a runner. He
Speaker 1: was really a phenomen running the ball. He was tough,
Speaker 1: there was that tebow stuff that people had talked about,
Speaker 1: and you liked him, but who knew that he would
Speaker 1: be what he's become as an NFL player. And as
Speaker 1: the NFL has changed, I think our eyes kind of
Speaker 1: have to change in terms of what what could they be?
Speaker 1: What if? And what if you get someone that likes him,
Speaker 1: they're willing to revamp their offense to allow them to play.
Speaker 1: That didn't used to be the case, which makes it
Speaker 1: even more difficult because you just don't know. I think
Speaker 1: one of those other guys that go for Katie, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: col it's all you, but not you, buddy. I was no,
Speaker 1: You're good. I was just gonna say one of those
Speaker 1: guys that's gonna make you hate quarterbacks more. I think
Speaker 1: it's Mac Jones who's actually down in Mobile at the moment,
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't know what to think about
Speaker 1: Mac Jones because I was of the thought process kind
Speaker 1: of like a lot of the nation was, is that
Speaker 1: he was a backup quarterback going in to the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty season, and then he comes out, he has a
Speaker 1: terrible for three weeks of the year, then he tears
Speaker 1: it up the rest of the way and wins a
Speaker 1: national championship, has a Joe Burrow like rise, even though
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to compare it to Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: but I mean it was comparable. It really was the
Speaker 1: season that he had. And now he comes to Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and he just shows out and he's the best quarterback,
Speaker 1: head and shoulders above everybody else. Bucky, tell me why
Speaker 1: Mac Jones has gotten into the conversation at the top
Speaker 1: ten pick for me, because I've really liked what I've seen.
Speaker 1: I love the leadership, the build. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys and MG asked me that too, well.
Speaker 1: MG asked it on Twitter. He said, has Mac Jones
Speaker 1: already done enough to get in the top ten quarter
Speaker 1: conversation at quarterback. No, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's in the top ten conversation. I think people are
Speaker 1: going to talk themselves into thinking he's a first round pick.
Speaker 1: I think the tough thing is when you're looking at quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: like the guys that are ahead of him, the Trey
Speaker 1: Lances to Justin Fields, to Zach Wilsons, Trevor Lawrence. I
Speaker 1: believe you could take those guys and drop them anywhere
Speaker 1: and their talent would show up. I don't feel the
Speaker 1: same way about Mac Jones. I know he's playing in
Speaker 1: a perfect environment. Everything is right around and right play caller.
Speaker 1: I think because the NFL game has changed, it's hard
Speaker 1: to play with kind of like that traditional guy that
Speaker 1: doesn't move around at all. So I like what he
Speaker 1: does in terms of processing. I like the way that
Speaker 1: he can kind of finesse the ball in time and
Speaker 1: touch and anticipation. But the big question mark to me
Speaker 1: is what is he going to be like when everything
Speaker 1: isn't right around him? Can you win with that quarterback?
Speaker 1: And it just makes it hard. I know he's probably
Speaker 1: gonna go into first round. I just would have a
Speaker 1: tough time if it's my team saying okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to take Mac Jones and I know he can't make
Speaker 1: it right when I'm wrong, And then it might gonna
Speaker 1: be Sean McVay mad at Jerry Goff all over again,
Speaker 1: because it's kind of like this same thing. Sean McVay
Speaker 1: is mad because Jerry Goff can't make it right with
Speaker 1: his athleticism. Is someone gonna end up being frustrated with
Speaker 1: Mac Jones because he also can't make it writ in
Speaker 1: that regard. Yeah, Bucky's right, and it's so much about
Speaker 1: his fit. I mean, think about Mac Jones in that
Speaker 1: Chargers offense. You know you see Justin Herbert moving around
Speaker 1: and using his arm talent. I mean, Mac Jones can't
Speaker 1: do anything close to what Justin Herbert did this past
Speaker 1: year as a rookie. But maybe if you dropped him
Speaker 1: into that Saints offense, you know, it'll look a lot
Speaker 1: different with what Mac Jones is asked to do. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the fit is going to be huge. And something about
Speaker 1: this offseason, this might be this. I know this sounds hyperbolic,
Speaker 1: but this might be the craziest off season when it
Speaker 1: comes to quarterback movement. You know, we've got to Shaun
Speaker 1: Watson Matthew Stafford is Jared Goff on his way out.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much quarterback turmoil from team the team.
Speaker 1: I mean there could be you know, twenty teams that
Speaker 1: are looking at their quarterback situation, and you know, are
Speaker 1: are looking at all their different options both in the
Speaker 1: draft and then throughout the league. So it's going to
Speaker 1: be an exercise of musical chairs. You know who's going
Speaker 1: to be left without that chair and who might feel
Speaker 1: maybe compelled to take a mac Jones a little bit
Speaker 1: earlier than maybe they normally would. Yeah, two minutes before
Speaker 1: our show started, it was reported an official Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I'm asking for a trade. So like
Speaker 1: the hiring of Culley is not even gonna like, that's
Speaker 1: not gonna help keep him there. So maybe he like
Speaker 1: this is you're you're right. I do love quarterback movement
Speaker 1: as much as I hate quarterbacks. I love quarterback chaos.
Speaker 1: I like that. Matt Jones for me, I mean, like
Speaker 1: to me, I view him as like, I mean, in
Speaker 1: you're right, Dane fit Matters, can you develop him? Can
Speaker 1: you are you asking him to come in and start
Speaker 1: right away? I don't. I don't think I'm ready for that.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna say he did what he did.
Speaker 1: I want you want to give him credit. He didn't
Speaker 1: make a play in the team drills where he's rolling
Speaker 1: to his right and I forgot who was rushed him
Speaker 1: and I was trying to get to come in and
Speaker 1: sack him and they couldn't. He's rolling to his right.
Speaker 1: Makes it throw on the run. But what was also
Speaker 1: evident when he was rolling to his right is how
Speaker 1: slow he is, which you know, it's not an insult
Speaker 1: coming for me, um, you know it's not. That's not
Speaker 1: an insult. It's just you know, it was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was lumbering to move five yards to his right,
Speaker 1: throw right on the money, beat the defender. It was
Speaker 1: a great it was a great play. I it's just
Speaker 1: not and maybe I maybe it's the whole having excellent
Speaker 1: weapons at Alabama, but I just I can't think about
Speaker 1: mac Jones in a first round. I just can't do it, Katie.
Speaker 1: Was it the touchdown pass that you're talking about whenever
Speaker 1: he had to roll out and it was in that
Speaker 1: end of the game, that end of game drills like
Speaker 1: fourth and four from or fourth and goal from the
Speaker 1: four was Jabril Cox on his backside coming after him
Speaker 1: and he was closing in pretty quickly. And Jabrill Cox,
Speaker 1: I mean, I like him a lot as a linebacker,
Speaker 1: but he was barreling down and mac Jones had had
Speaker 1: to get that ball out quickly. He did complete it
Speaker 1: actually to an LS who wide receiver. It was Racy
Speaker 1: McMath was. Yeah, it was the wide receiver that caught
Speaker 1: that touchdown pass. But it was a good play. But
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean it showed how slow he was
Speaker 1: and how much of a lack of mobility that he
Speaker 1: has the show compared to maybe a guy like a
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. That a lot of people are at least
Speaker 1: throwing those two names in the pot because of the
Speaker 1: stats of their final season at the collegiate level. But
Speaker 1: it's not the same type of player, it really isn't.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty Fantastic Questions and keep them coming next Tuesday at
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Speaker 1: be interested And who's the biggest riser and the largest
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Speaker 1: sad that this is the final segment of the Draft
Speaker 1: show today. I feel like I could talk with you
Speaker 1: guys for like another two hours about the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what you guys have going on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not doing anything but watching the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I guess that's fine. Final Senior Bowl practice today.
Speaker 1: You can catch it on ESP and you and then
Speaker 1: of course here Bucky Brooks on the NFL Network tonight,
Speaker 1: and then the Senior Bowl coming up on Saturday one
Speaker 1: thirty Central time, two thirty Eastern for all those Cowboys
Speaker 1: and draft fans on the East Coast. Plenty to talk
Speaker 1: about here over today and Saturday, real quickly before we
Speaker 1: get to biggest risers and largest declines. Anybody stick out
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the football. We've talked about
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but I want to hear some skills positions,
Speaker 1: some running backs, some wide receivers. I know Kadarius Tony
Speaker 1: probably the most talented player on paper, but he's kind
Speaker 1: of been banged up throughout the week with a bit
Speaker 1: of a rib injury. He was kind of hobbled on
Speaker 1: an ankle a little bit, and so he hasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: shown out. But anybody that's stuck out to you so
Speaker 1: far this week, Bucky, that's caught your eye. Okay. I
Speaker 1: know you guys have coined the phrase like pet cat, right.
Speaker 1: The pet cat for me is Dmitric Felton from UCLA
Speaker 1: and watching how the game is shifting where people want
Speaker 1: these wingbacks on the perimeter. We've seen Deebo, Samuel Brandon,
Speaker 1: Aiyuk and those guys kind of make their way in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Felton, to me, is really intriguing the fact
Speaker 1: that he's been the last two years in the backfield
Speaker 1: running the ball, catching the ball out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: Then he comes out and lines out wide the first
Speaker 1: del practice and gets open. You see the speed and quickness.
Speaker 1: I just believe there's so many people that are looking
Speaker 1: at these hybrid players, particularly after watching the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that has certainly helped himself
Speaker 1: with his performance this week. It's funny, he's like the
Speaker 1: opposite Antonio Gibson, you know, last year coming out of
Speaker 1: Memphis and from receiver to running back at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Felton going from running back to receiver, which is just
Speaker 1: you know, it fits his skill set. I've been really
Speaker 1: impressed with him as well, soft hands, he looks good
Speaker 1: out there. So yeah, I think Demitric Felton for a
Speaker 1: team looking for that Niheen Hines type of players, that's
Speaker 1: that's uh. Felton Felton can fill that role. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. It might be the It might
Speaker 1: be the UCLA Dome because I remember last year when
Speaker 1: I first met Dane and Bucky, they were talking about
Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly after Senior Bowl last year because of the
Speaker 1: kind of upstart that he had, and I mean even
Speaker 1: Bucky was talking about him being a pet cat last year.
Speaker 1: So it must be the UCLA running backs, Dan, anybody
Speaker 1: that sticks out from a skills position. Uh. Amari Rodgers
Speaker 1: has been awesome, which I think we expected. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: I watched the clumpson tape. You know what Amari Rodgers is, um.
Speaker 1: You know, his place strength is fantastic. U. He's been
Speaker 1: very good catching the ball, putting it away. Us been
Speaker 1: tough for corners to stick with him. Josh Palmer from Tennessee,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, once he got out of the
Speaker 1: shadow of Knoxville and the quarterback situation they had going on,
Speaker 1: Josh Palmer has been able to show out here a
Speaker 1: little bit big. He's got good speed, better route runner
Speaker 1: than I think what we saw at Tennessee. And you know,
Speaker 1: I all got to do a stroll on the tape
Speaker 1: of him. VERSU Alabama see him go against Curtan to
Speaker 1: know he's got talent, and I think he's been able
Speaker 1: to show it here today. So I think Josh Palmer
Speaker 1: has certainly helped himself a couple of these sec receivers
Speaker 1: with uh, you know, obviously Kedarius Tony even though he's
Speaker 1: he's had he's had the drops, but uh, you know
Speaker 1: it's good luck trying to cover him. And then uh,
Speaker 1: you know Shy Smith. He looked really good on Day one,
Speaker 1: got banged up a little bit yesterday day two. So
Speaker 1: the sec receivers have really stood out, Katie, Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: add on to that. I mean, look, Amari Rodgers to
Speaker 1: me has been the best, the best wide receiver here.
Speaker 1: Um and Knarius Tony, who I love and have a
Speaker 1: first round grade on those drops yesterday, you know, not
Speaker 1: a full evaluation on those drops, but just something to
Speaker 1: jot down and add to the notepad. You know, But
Speaker 1: I'm already Rodgers is he is the most He's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite players in the draft. I know Dan's
Speaker 1: been on him all along, but you know, settling again
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago and watching his tape and
Speaker 1: all of his tape and going holy cow that is.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of fun. Um. You know another name
Speaker 1: I thought there is And if you know me, I'm
Speaker 1: a guy who is all about the separator. Smaller guys
Speaker 1: make it easy on the quarterbacks. Okay, try not to
Speaker 1: have a defensive back all over you. But one guy
Speaker 1: who has really impressed me, and I haven't seen much
Speaker 1: of his tape as Frank Darby of Arizona State. Um,
Speaker 1: I've liked him a little bit of wide receiver as well,
Speaker 1: and I still need gotting a full evaluation on him
Speaker 1: as we're going forward. But that's one of those names.
Speaker 1: Another fun thing about the Singer Bowl for me is like,
Speaker 1: oh there's a name right there. Okay, all right, let's
Speaker 1: go and look at that tape a little further and
Speaker 1: see what else we can find out about the guy.
Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about Eskridge earlier, Dwayne Eskridge
Speaker 1: from We Again. He's gonna be a broken record by
Speaker 1: the time, especially if we let Kavanall back on these podcasts,
Speaker 1: because he's gonna love him too, I would imagine. But
Speaker 1: like the separator, the deceleration, you know, along with the acceleration,
Speaker 1: like those things are just amazing when you can get
Speaker 1: that separation and make it easy on the quarterbacks, because
Speaker 1: as I told you in the last segment, I hate quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: But if we can make it easy on him, that's good.
Speaker 1: Little Maury Rodgers, Oh my god, that guy's a bit.
Speaker 1: I've also had some people ask me about Marquez, Stevenson,
Speaker 1: Dane really quickly thirty seconds synopsis on what you've seen
Speaker 1: from Stevenson. The wide receiver out of Houston. Pure speed,
Speaker 1: that's what he offers. Doesn't have the best body type.
Speaker 1: He's about one hundred and eighty pounds, but he can fly.
Speaker 1: You know, good luck trying to stick with him vertically.
Speaker 1: And if he adds maybe a few more branches to
Speaker 1: that route tree h he's going to see more playing
Speaker 1: time in the NFL. How would you compare him to
Speaker 1: two two at Well Louisville, Yeah, two two he's he's
Speaker 1: he's much more under sized. I think I'm really eager
Speaker 1: to see what he weighs in at. He looks like
Speaker 1: he might be more like one seventy one seventy five.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um. I want to see two two
Speaker 1: become a more polished receiver underneath and you know, create
Speaker 1: those those after the catch opportunities. He can fly when
Speaker 1: he's got a runway. But I want to see a
Speaker 1: little bit more make you miss and and things like that.
Speaker 1: But he's with that speed, you know, the NFL is
Speaker 1: going to take a lot of notice, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: That would be the name of Dame Brugler's rap album
Speaker 1: or maybe rap song as he could fly if he
Speaker 1: had a runway. I don't know why that just stuck
Speaker 1: out to me as a really fun line. All Right,
Speaker 1: Biggest Riser, I like it. I think we need to
Speaker 1: make that too. T shirts and rap albums. On this
Speaker 1: edition of the Draft Show Biggest Risers this week from Mobile,
Speaker 1: Dane will start with you really quickly, who has made
Speaker 1: the most money this week? Well, there's no doubt it's
Speaker 1: it's Quinn miners Um, but we already talked about him,
Speaker 1: so I'll try to pick someone else. What about Jontay
Speaker 1: Smith East Carolina Tackle? He's been really, really impressive And
Speaker 1: it started with the wayns O were thirty five inch arms,
Speaker 1: the longest of any offensive lineman here. Wow. And I
Speaker 1: actually tweeted out before the Senior Bowl h some some
Speaker 1: clips of him working out and making you know, forty
Speaker 1: two inch box jumps and so you see the athleticism
Speaker 1: and it's translated. I really wanted to see how could
Speaker 1: he hold up in space with his anchor and you know,
Speaker 1: could he match power for power? And he's done a
Speaker 1: nice job tying up rushers and not looking out of place.
Speaker 1: They've tried to make guard. I think he's he's done
Speaker 1: okay at guard, but I think he's much better at tackle.
Speaker 1: Jontay Smith. When you've got the foundational traits of the
Speaker 1: quickness and the length and what he's done this week,
Speaker 1: he's definitely going to be a riser. Bucky. That is
Speaker 1: a good one. That is a going. Now, that's a going.
Speaker 1: He's one of the guys that I've talked about. I'll
Speaker 1: talk about Michael Carter. We talked about him off air.
Speaker 1: Michael Carter to me, I think has been better. He's
Speaker 1: been better than expected. Having watched him all year at
Speaker 1: North Carolina, you just kind of wonder how good is he?
Speaker 1: How much of it is a byproduct of the offense
Speaker 1: to feel long ago runs. But look, he's been tough
Speaker 1: and physical running the ball. He catches the ball, I
Speaker 1: think a lot better than people give him credit for it.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of claud with so
Speaker 1: Lar in terms of his timing in the screen game.
Speaker 1: He has a chance to be a really good player.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's on the same level as
Speaker 1: his teammate Javonte Williams, but he is a really good
Speaker 1: player in a very crowded running back class. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think for me, for Riser, I'm gonna throw Richie Grant
Speaker 1: out there in the safety from Central Florida, who we
Speaker 1: talked about earlier. But you know, his ball skills will
Speaker 1: jump out and this environment of practices and things like that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna see those plays and go WHOA. You know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to see a speed, see that
Speaker 1: he can cover and things like that. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a draft where we're kind of looking for a safety
Speaker 1: to break out too. Who can gonna be that safety
Speaker 1: that can kind of get in the mix. And everyone
Speaker 1: kind of likes Maury from TCU, Jeff likes the other
Speaker 1: safety from tcusing you Richie Grant is a guy. I
Speaker 1: feel like we're getting a pretty good consensus on a
Speaker 1: lot of people, and I know I'm included. After watching
Speaker 1: his tape and seeing what he's done a part the
Speaker 1: senior bal. I think Richie Grant is a name that's
Speaker 1: going to continue to climb and kind of get in
Speaker 1: the mix to be that top safety in the class.
Speaker 1: All right, finally, great Richie Grant might be the second
Speaker 1: safety drafted after More. Wow, that's pretty I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily disagree. I think the safety class is pretty
Speaker 1: thin this year, and I think he's one of the
Speaker 1: guys up at the top. Now, final thing before we
Speaker 1: get wrapped up here on the show Bucky, and we'll
Speaker 1: start with Bucky. But who do you guys think needs
Speaker 1: to show more Thursday and then of course and when
Speaker 1: the game actually happens on Saturday. I think the big
Speaker 1: receivers need to show up. So Nico Collins and Safet.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen those guys, and I know like the
Speaker 1: game is trending where big guys dominate. I just need
Speaker 1: to see them show up. I haven't seen enough wild players.
Speaker 1: We've talked about all these other receivers and we've yet
Speaker 1: to mention them. I think I need to see Nico
Speaker 1: Collins and say Sharat show up. Dan. I would look
Speaker 1: for one of these quarterbacks to really kind of take
Speaker 1: it over. I mean, last year we saw Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: from start to finish really be the guy. This year,
Speaker 1: I don't know that we have a player that's kind
Speaker 1: of shown out as the top quarterback clearly, you know,
Speaker 1: I think Mac Jones is that guy. But be great
Speaker 1: to see one of these quarterbacks really step up and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is my opportunity and I'm gonna I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: it run with it. And you know, this is why
Speaker 1: you should pay attention to me. Yeah, I had on
Speaker 1: my on my followers or guess you're who need to
Speaker 1: step up a sage sharatt the buck you said. But
Speaker 1: also I'm a fan of the you know, the freakish
Speaker 1: guys in terms of like their length at the offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: But my guy from Northern Iowa, Spencer Brown, has gotten
Speaker 1: to look better. Yeah, just kind of getting run over
Speaker 1: a little bit, not playing with power and quite frankly,
Speaker 1: he's got a ben more and I know he's six
Speaker 1: to seven, but he's a guy who's got some projectability
Speaker 1: and has some upside. But he hasn't looked good in
Speaker 1: the first two days in my opinion from the reps
Speaker 1: i've seen. And that's a guy i'd like to see
Speaker 1: kind of get it together and get back in the
Speaker 1: mix for some ot depth in the draft. I expect
Speaker 1: him more out of him this week, and you're right,
Speaker 1: I don't think the tape has really lived up to it.
Speaker 1: And then Bucky, to your point, you look at some
Speaker 1: of the bigger receivers that have come through Mobile and
Speaker 1: talking about physical big receivers, I mean, Chase Claypool separated
Speaker 1: himself last year and look what he had of a
Speaker 1: rookie season with Pittsburgh. So I mean it can happen.
Speaker 1: It just hasn't happened yet with the guys like Sage
Speaker 1: Tarat out of wake Forest and some of these other
Speaker 1: bigger receivers that made the trip to Mobile. But we'll
Speaker 1: be back to break it all down for you on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Still plenty to come from Mobile. Be sure to tune
Speaker 1: in to Bucky Brooks on the NFL Network, keep up
Speaker 1: with Dame Brugler on the app let it Katie will
Speaker 1: be back next Thursday. We'll be back next Tuesday on
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show ten am Central Time,
Speaker 1: and we will break it down with Brian brought us
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks and David Hellman. But Fort Dane Burglar, Bucky
Speaker 1: Brooks and Kevin Turner and Chris Beam in the backup
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