1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,359 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of indecent 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: trend Posal. Courtesy of Vanadium Silver. We would have also 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: accepted three trends of the condor. Ah, yes, I got 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: a condor attitude, Miles, you do you do? 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Yes? 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: I condor that Australian. That's my Australian accent. 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: Oh. We were doing some really great accents with Gareth yesterday. 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I fucked up and I had 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: to go to a neurologist to check out. I've got 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: a This is big news. I've got an essential tremor. 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: Which it's not inessential, it's essential. Baby, Wait, what is it? 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: What is an essential tremor? It's just like a tremor 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: that you have. I've always I've always had like shaky hands. 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: I think I've told you, likee kid and up through 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: now and reality. But I started, like my head started 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: shaking a little bit in a way like I didn't notice, 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: but my wife was like, you're starting to it's getting 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: het Bernie up here, up in here, het Burnie bro. 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: And so I went to the neurologist because I was 20 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: worried that I had Yeah, something else is going bad, 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: but it is just that same old essential tremor. 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: Wait, so they're just like, no, bro, that's kind of 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: a feature. Yeah for you, this is sort of a 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: feature of your body. Man, it's nothing to worry about. 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: It was wild though, they like bring you in. They 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: started doing all these like they're like, you know, we 27 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: were all familiar with the bang above your knee and 28 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: your leg kicks. Yeah, five seconds later in my case 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: because it's like a really seconds I'm just joking for 30 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: the wait, how fast is yours? 31 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: Oh no, you can see the impulse travel up your 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: leg to your brain three lowest two? 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I I knew about that one. There's 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 1: like twenty of those ships, and she she was running 35 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: me through those like a fucking it was like going 36 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: through the car wash, like just like it was like 37 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: spinning around like close my eyes walking. 38 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: Is this even a test? 39 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 3: Like you're just fucking with me, just wanted to see 40 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: how good you were with a yo. 41 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: Yo, I'm not. I know I can. 42 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: Tell viewers U on our social media clips might might 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: pick up a slight little shake of the head, now 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: you know. 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: Now, it's just an essential part of who I. It's 46 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: a feature. 47 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: It's it's like kind of a complex it's like it's essential. 48 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of nice. What does that mean in medically, 49 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: that it's essential. I think it's just like not going away. 50 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't look into the derivation, but 51 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: I will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just happy what 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: you said you were going to the neurologist. 53 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 3: I was I was gonna be like, dude, what, But 54 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: I was just like all right, well, I mean, I'm 55 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: glad you shared that, but I didn't. I didn't want 56 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: to delve deeper. But okay, yeah, okay, I see, No, 57 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: I didn't notice. 58 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: I didn't notice. Oh wow, you're just a shaky guy. Generally, 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: I am shaving him. 60 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm just like shaving like personality wise, like emotionally. I 61 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: think shaky is a good way to describe about her. 62 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: Was it intentional? 63 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: Intention that when you have a tremor, when you're trying 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: to do something specific like thread and needle and be. 65 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: Calm, yeah, and be calm. Yeah. 66 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 3: And I'm sorry that I kept calling you Captain Miller, 67 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: which is Tom Hanks's character from Private Ryan. 68 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: When I saw your hands do that, that was sensitive. Yeah. 69 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just kept screaming be calm, yeah, which actually 70 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: makes it worse. 71 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: I go, Hey, how is d d Captain Miller here there? 72 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: Can you tell me to earn this? 73 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: Hey? You said gum out or what? Dude? All right? 74 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: Uh back to the bullshit. Yeah, it's great to. 75 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: Be back, Dan, great to have it was. 76 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: I'd like to say that we kept it professional yesterday 77 00:03:59,160 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: and we did most. 78 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: I'm back and there's no more fun allowed that. Let's 79 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: talk about what is trending? Cash Patel. Yeah, the floor 80 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: of the Gress. 81 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 82 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: He had some splaining to do, as it were, as 83 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: it's known legally, I guess when you have a hearing 84 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: in front of the members of the House and yeah, dude, 85 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: you gotta you gotta gress splain later. 86 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: Oh don't don't like that for you. But he went, 87 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 2: you know, had to. 88 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 3: There were a lot of topics that I think members 89 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: of Congress wanted to cover with cash Hotel, like how 90 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 3: are you so bad at this? Being sort of the 91 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 3: overarching theme of everything. Why are you now covering for Epstein? 92 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: When he used to says, are kind of coming with 93 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: that energy? 94 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, because there's the people who generally have 95 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 3: it out for him because they're like, you're terrible at 96 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: what you do and this is completely become such a 97 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: politicized body on even what the fuck this is? 98 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: Then they're the people like, what's up with the Epstein shit? Dude? 99 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: Before he was in office, he would say stuff like, 100 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 3: you know, they're protecting people, and I will leave no 101 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: stone unturned when I when I, you know, get my 102 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: hands into these Epstein files to now being like I 103 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: found no credible evidence that Epstein was trafficking minors. 104 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: Like he said that shit out. 105 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: Loud, the thing that he was convicted of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, okay. 106 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's already just a very bizarre thing. 107 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: But yeah, the performance was terrible, but that was sort 108 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: of like a certainty because he's he's like the physical 109 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: manifestation of person in over their head with a job. 110 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: And the other thing too, was like a lot of 111 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: the conservatives were also asking, like, what what is that 112 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: with the fucking botched Kirk investigation. You're like live tweeting 113 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: a bunch of nonsense that wasn't like. 114 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: Being correct leads. Yeah, God again, he got this. He 115 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: had the got him press conference like three times, Spencer Cox, Dude, 116 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: when he did that, I was like, why the. 117 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: Fuck are they doing? Got him? Yeah? Like I was. 118 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 3: I mean, Brian Editor did share a meme where there 119 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: was like the crab Rave song played after Spencer Cock 120 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: said that at the press conference. But anyway, the other 121 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 3: thing that's I think big news too, is like even 122 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 3: now Fox News is doing stories about how people at 123 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: the White House don't like cash Betel. 124 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's usually a sign. 125 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that did happen to Pete haig Seth, Like 126 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: they were like, there are concerns and then he was 127 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: able to just weather it out, you know, ride out 128 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: the storm like a ship captain who's you know, just 129 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: just drunk, just drug everything to work out. 130 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, But now it's like they're saying, you know, like 131 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: Pam Bondi and him really don't get along, and now 132 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 3: like that, there are more questions being raised about. 133 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: How fit he is for office, which is just. 134 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: So funny, Like you know, you could have avoided this, 135 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 3: well whatever, I'm acting like they're rational people, but like 136 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 3: you know, it was clear from the beginning he's not 137 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: fit for office or anyone deserve under this administration, to 138 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 3: be honest, I. 139 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: Mean, I do I do appreciate that he brought in 140 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: the We're gonna fucking show what's what on this Epstein stuff, 141 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: because I think that did help people kind of get 142 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: some momentum on that story before he then, you know, 143 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: every aspect of it, like him being as incompetent and 144 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: like bad at messaging as he is, has been a 145 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: good thing for people who you know, oppose the Trump administration, 146 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, his ineptitude is good. There was somebody, 147 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: Al Cappuccino on Blue Sky said cash Patel's eyes always 148 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: look like they're in horrified shock from whatever stupid thing. 149 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: Cash Pateel is thinking, yeah, and I think that's the 150 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: best way to describe internal struggle overall vibe. What did 151 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: he have to say about what like his handling of well, 152 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: what do you have to say about Epstein? First of all, 153 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: is he just like yeah, there's nothing nothing to see. 154 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: Just you can tell he's just been like he's been 155 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: co opted by the boorg, you know. And then like 156 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: Ben arguing with Adam Shift, like he just started screaming. 157 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: He he just didn't. 158 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: He was in over his head and he couldn't say 159 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: anything really convincingly, and there's a lot of yelling, and 160 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: at that point I was like, I can't. 161 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: He's he's using the private jet to like go to 162 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: a lot of sporting events Trump style, right, Like that's 163 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: kind of his. 164 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: He's not Yeah, he's not a serious person. I would say, 165 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: be comes the launch. 166 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was live tweeting of the Kirk investigation. I 167 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: think happened from a club. 168 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 169 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: So, and he was also like taking a bunch of 170 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: FBI agents off of like serious counter terrorism shit to 171 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: be like can you look at race any stuff that 172 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: says Trump, Like you just look over the documents, just 173 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: again showing that this is he's not there for any 174 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: kind of real law enforcement uh purpose, It's just purely 175 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: to be a sick e fan and do whatever you know, 176 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: Trump wills. But the freaky thing is now, it's like 177 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: there's a guy the ag Andrew Bailey. This guy is 178 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: now heading He's going to be co deputy director at 179 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: the FBI. 180 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: Because Bongino, the podcaster is like. 181 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: Fucking fallen from grace because he was I think his 182 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 3: brain broke when he realized he was he became the deep. 183 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: State and had to cover up shit. 184 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: Us like we were podcasters who had major ambitions. I 185 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: wanted to head up the CIA. Mileson the NSA. 186 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: Exactly, you guys are blowing it as somebody one of 187 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: my dad's really good friends from high school was married 188 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: to Ali North's secretary back in the day. 189 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: Fun. Yeah, so you have the access. 190 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you look at my background, you're gonna know. 191 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 3: I'm I've been a fine man. I've been a fed 192 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: since birth, you know what I mean. But this guy 193 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 3: who's in the wings, he actually people are like be 194 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: weary of this guy because he has legal experience and 195 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: he has blind allegiance to Donald Trump, which again that's 196 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: a prerequisite obviously, but him becoming Code Deputy director could 197 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 3: mean you know, an assent for. 198 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: Him just talking really briefly about the overall agenda of 199 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, the federal law enforcement. Four oh four just 200 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: published this article noting that the Department of Justice just 201 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: removed a study that had found that white supremacy and 202 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: far right violence contin continues to outpace all other types 203 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: of terrorism and domestic violent extremism in the United States. 204 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: The study, which was conducted by the National Institute of 205 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: Justice and hosted on a DOJ website, was available until 206 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: September twelfth, twenty twenty five. 207 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: Oh and went away. I wonder if that was because 208 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: of this is the other thing. 209 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 3: I mean, well we'll get into that too, but it 210 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: the you know, this was like the kind of thing 211 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: that made groxay stuff Like if you asked it like 212 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: is the right or the left that does more violence? 213 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: And it's like the right, you're fucking kidding me? 214 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And then Elon's like, oh, this is this 215 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: cringe worthy idiocy will be taken down? 216 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the yeah, Rock responded when when somebody asked, 217 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: who commits more political violence? You know, the right, and 218 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: it's not like exclusively the right obviously, but it's just 219 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: more work and it's more dangerous. There's like more to 220 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: be stopped there, and yeah, he responded, My apologies, we 221 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: are fixing this cringe idiocy by Rock Jesus Christ jd 222 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: Vance as you guys, I think covered on yesterday's episode, 223 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: talked about going after the growing and powerful minority on 224 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: the far left, which since nineteen ninety, far right extremists 225 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far left 226 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: or radical Islamist extremists, including two hundred and twenty seven 227 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: events that took more than five hundred. 228 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: And twenty lives. 229 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: Is what the study said in this same period far 230 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: left extremists committed forty two ideologically motivated attacks that took 231 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: seventy eight lives. 232 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is the whole play. 233 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: You know, it's like you have to completely erase any 234 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: evidence of the facts that are around it. But I 235 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 3: think it's also very odd like to be like, was 236 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: he right or was he left? 237 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 2: Was he right or was he left? 238 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 3: Because regardless, that's the regardless of very he lies, that 239 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: shouldn't the conclusion should then be, Okay, well all these 240 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: people got to go to jail now. 241 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: Right, everybody everybody who said everybody like that, Well he 242 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: was Charlie Kirk was, if nothing else, according to Azrakline, 243 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: a proponent of free speech. So the best way to 244 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: honor that is by arresting anybody who disagrees with him. 245 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: I think we can all. 246 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very constructive, very constructive, very constructive. 247 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back, 248 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: and we're back. We're back, all right, Let's take a 249 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,239 Speaker 1: let's take a brief respite from politics and the encroaching 250 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: authoritarianism and talk about uh yeah, I guess is that 251 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: does that mean it's happening? 252 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 3: The it's it's approaching it's I mean, I guess if 253 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: it's if it's the NFL encroachment is when you've already 254 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: crossed the line. 255 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's happening. 256 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: Like I'm picturing, you know, the zombies are closing in 257 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: and we're only in one room. I picture starting off 258 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: in the whole house. 259 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 3: I pictured the part of the matrix where mister Anderson 260 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 3: touches that little mirror thing and then it starts going 261 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 3: up his hand and he's. 262 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: Like, and he goes, I'm being encroached upon. You're yeah, yeah, 263 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: So which let's just let's talk about the city killer 264 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: for beat. 265 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 266 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: I mean, look, we were all excited earlier this year. 267 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: When we're not. An asteroid may just end this hell 268 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: we're in, but it's all meaningless. At least we'd be 269 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: all together. 270 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 3: But tonight you will have a chance to pretend a 271 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: city killing asteroid may hit the Earth on a live stream. Specifically, 272 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: there's this huge, like skyscraper sized asteroid that scientists thought 273 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: would hit the planet in twenty eighty nine. 274 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: You know, after the measurements are like, yeah, this shit 275 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: ain't hitting, but it's. 276 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 3: Coming very close, and there is like you can it's 277 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: all being live stream at like eleven thirty eastern tonight 278 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: and into tomorrow, and they say, if you have like 279 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: a telescope or really good binoculars, you might even be 280 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: able to see it on your own. 281 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: So again, it's not going to hit Okay. 282 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: So I am a giant like building sized asteroid just 283 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: floating by, like like over the tree tops. 284 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, just barely, just going scraping by. It's technically like 285 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: five hundred and twenty thousand miles away, but astronomically speaking, 286 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: that's very very close. 287 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:06,119 Speaker 2: Okay. 288 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: But I guess also like researchers are using the flyby 289 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: as like a dress rehearsal for a put like what 290 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 3: would they would do in the event of an actual 291 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: catastrophic impact? 292 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Or I mean like there was that other 293 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: one we thought. 294 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty eight thirty two, and then I think now 295 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: they're just like, let's make sure all like the programs work, 296 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: our systems are in place, just so we. 297 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: Know that we have a handle on this. 298 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: But am I gonna be able to break out my 299 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: all silver like Rabodi suit onesie? 300 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean that hasn't stopped you four, But yeah, 301 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: like I said, it's a. 302 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: Dress rehearsal for twenty eighty nine. 303 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 3: This is our son's chess tournament, Chack. He's going to 304 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: be ranked in twenty eighty nine. 305 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, all right. 306 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Yeah, social media companies are basically fine 307 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: with graphic murder videos these days, as we talked about 308 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination. Just you know, 309 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: one of the worst things that I feel like i'd 310 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: seen happen was just all fucking over the place and 311 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: like kind of impossible to myth. I can't think of 312 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: another murder where I like learned about the murder by 313 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,239 Speaker 1: literally seeing it happen on social media. 314 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: Feeds before any other details. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like really 315 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: just shitting. 316 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: We're just everywhere the day had happened, and then like 317 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: so the day it happened. I can see that being 318 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: a thing where it's like, oh shit, it like that 319 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: kind of snuck through and we're working on our response 320 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: to these sorts of things to clean it up. They're 321 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: still everywhere like they they've not tried to tamp this down, 322 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's you know, you just have 323 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: to think about what violences they're they're willing to let 324 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: you see versus what violence they don't want you to see. 325 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 326 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: One, it's like you typically have to wait a long 327 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 3: time for like a bodycam thing that would maybe you know, 328 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: lead to prosecution of the police or something, but any 329 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: other thing, Like even on TMZ, there's like their TMZ 330 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: is so fucking gross, Like everything they post, like if 331 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 3: there's a celebrity stuff, they're just trying to get some 332 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 3: kind of selacious or violent thing. 333 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 2: They're like, watch this trapeze artist crashed to the ground. 334 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: You're like, the fuck is you? 335 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 3: Guys used to be a celebrity gossip site and now 336 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: you're it's just like silent yeah yeah. And the whole 337 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 3: time they're like what are the fucking policies? 338 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: Like are aren't this aren't? Isn't it? 339 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 3: Like this supposed to at least have like a fucking 340 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: content warning, But it turns out like this video, like 341 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 3: specifically the one of Kirk, falls into like some weird 342 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 3: policy loophole where it's like it's acceptable graphic content but 343 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: also not totally glorified violence, which is. 344 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: What we ban right like meta bands multiple victim violence, right, 345 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: but that feels very specific, like what why would multiple 346 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: victim violence be worse to see than this, where a. 347 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: Then a murder, a murder. 348 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: That happens from like one hundred different angles. And then yeah, 349 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: in other cases, apps just aren't enforcing their own policies TikTok, 350 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: even though their terms clearly don't allow gory grewsome disturbing 351 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: or extremely violent content, they're letting it fly. 352 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 353 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, this has just been like a thing that's been 354 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 3: happening too, because we talked about I think earlier in 355 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: the year when people on Instagram were just noticing, like 356 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: the reels content had just gone absolutely bonkers with like 357 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 3: people like I think I just saw like eight murders, yeah, 358 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 3: in one Instagram sitting when I thought I was watching 359 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 3: like knitting videos. And again, it's because they don't have 360 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 3: fucking people moderating shit anymore, and it's just like, wow, 361 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 3: let it fly. I mean, like, I think the roader 362 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: implications are really kind of frightening of like if this 363 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: is like an intentional campaign to just desensitize people to 364 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: like this kind of violence, just to be like, you 365 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 3: know it is what it is, Just numb yourself to 366 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 3: that and then maybe you will all your like sort 367 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 3: of empathy sensors will burn out and then you have 368 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 3: nothing going on. Because I mean even it was just 369 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: even having to see all like we said this last week, 370 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: but just in the last few years, just the amount, 371 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: the sheer volume of death videos I've seen on the 372 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: internet are It's like. 373 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: Unreal. 374 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: And I also realized that I was completely becoming numb 375 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 3: to shit like that. 376 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: I just didn't even know what I was looking at. 377 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: I was just looking at it. 378 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, a lot of social media platforms 379 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: have scaled back human content moderators and opted to use 380 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: AI tools instead. So yeah, it feels like it's just 381 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: the you know, good old fashioned deregulation. Yeah, where it's like, 382 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: how do we make it easier on these companies that 383 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: are already raking in billions of a year. 384 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: Right, because look, the algorithm rewards. 385 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 3: Views and and you know what, even if the views 386 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: are going on some kind of hyper violent video content, It's. 387 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: Like, hey, man, it's the algorithm. What do you want 388 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: to do. 389 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 3: It's gonna it's gonna make it bubble up to the 390 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: top so everybody sees it. 391 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean just the number of different types 392 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: of like one TikTok video showed the shooter shooting in 393 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: slow motion close up with a narrator being like, what 394 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: is this black thing on his shirt? And why did 395 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: it move like this before he got shot? And it 396 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: was just like a fucking microphone. 397 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, like that Lavalier microphone. 398 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Yeah, but I don't know, Like experts have 399 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: noted that all of this may be psychologically damaging to 400 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: our society in ways we don't understand yet, And I 401 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: feel like I didn't need experts to tell me that. 402 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 2: I'm I'm experiencing it in real time. 403 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, Between that and watching 404 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: just fucked up harrowing footage from like Gaza and things 405 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 3: like that. Like I'm truly I'm like, I'm having to 406 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 3: really think about where how to feel like a human again, yeah, 407 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: because you have to compartmentalize so much nowadays, like with 408 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 3: just being bombarded with all kinds of violent shit, you 409 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: kind of lose track of where you're at. 410 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 2: But hey man, they're gonna do what they do. And 411 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure it doesn't help that, like the. 412 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 3: Ellisons are probably going to be owning a huge steak 413 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: in TikTok now. 414 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: So Ellison's being the Oracle Sky dance oracle oracle gang. 415 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like it's going to be a consortium 416 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: of oligarchs where American oligarchs who are about to be 417 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 3: like that be the majority owners of TikTok in order 418 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: to circumvent the ban. But Trump extended that deadline for 419 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: like another three months now as they try and figure 420 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 3: out who who's gonna be, which billionaires will be lucky 421 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 3: enough to own this social media platform and see what 422 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 3: that does to our rands. 423 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, seems bad. I don't know if this is 424 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: a permanent thing, if this is just everybody responding in 425 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: their own way to how horrifying that event was, the 426 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk assassination. But like that, did you see the 427 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: Ezra Kleine like op ed this guy who's like supposed 428 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: to be the moral conscience of like the Liberal party, 429 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: like you know, the New York Times is like according 430 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: to who I don't like, I think according like that 431 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: seems to be the position that he's being given by. 432 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeahhere the liberals. But he wrote this like reflection on 433 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: the life of Charlie Kirk where he like talked about 434 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: how like he did politics the right way, and he 435 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: like talked about admiring the movement he had built, which 436 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: is just like what like I guess he meant the 437 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: like the power that he was able to acquire without 438 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: like any reflection on like. 439 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: Why or how he did that. 440 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 3: All these established media figures, it's clear, like the the 441 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: the assignment is to eulogize and then maybe do some 442 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: light critiquing. But the first it's like, after like October seventh, right, 443 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 3: it's like, do you condemn Hamas? 444 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly, And it's like, what I mean, sure, 445 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: but what do you mean? 446 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: Like I'm talking about like a much broader issue than 447 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 3: this like very narrow thing we're talking about right now, 448 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: And now it feels like do you contem political violence? 449 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: And Charlie Kirk was a good guy. 450 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: Right, And it's like I condemned political violence. I fucking 451 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: hate what happened to him and wish that hadn't happened 452 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: to him. I don't think Charlie, like. 453 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, just what he was saying was absolutely antithetical to 454 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 3: everything I believe in the violence like again smearing George Floyd, 455 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 3: smearing gay people, trans people, immigrants, Martin Luther King, Like 456 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 3: his whole thing was just to say the gnarliest shit 457 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 3: and try and normalize that kind of viewpoint. 458 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: And to claim that he was therefore in favor of 459 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: free speech. So was he in favor of those college 460 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: students who were protesting the Joe side and gut was 461 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: he in favor of them not being arrested and deported? 462 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: No? And again then it's also weird. 463 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 3: You see also I see this other take that people 464 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: are doing that, like he would not want like mass 465 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: repression of free speech. He would not have wanted that, 466 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, that's probably true because he benefited 467 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: from the fact that he was able to say whatever 468 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 3: the fuck he wanted and profit from it, like narrowly 469 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: for himself, right, But like, it's just interesting to see 470 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: people trying evoke those kinds of things to try and 471 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: get like conservative readers to be like and that's why, 472 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: like a mass repression campaign won't be good or honor 473 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: anyone's memory. 474 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: Effectively, Charlie wouldn't have wanted this. It's like, I mean, 475 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: he was already a major part of a movement that 476 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: was arresting people for saying things. Yeah, I'm also saying 477 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: things that he and they didn't like. 478 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 3: You know, there are plenty of professors too, you see, 479 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 3: who are like I'm like, I don't know what kind 480 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 3: of free speech this is when like I was getting 481 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 3: docksed by like the people at his organization because I 482 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: was I was talking about American history objectively and being 483 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 3: called like I'm trying to be some kind of like 484 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: enemy combatant for merely. 485 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: Talking about our own history. Yeah. 486 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: So it's it's a really strange one to square and 487 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 3: to me, I think this is like it just really 488 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 3: encapsulates how much how much power now like that the 489 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 3: right has and at least or at least how much 490 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 3: fear that they strike into the hearts of people to 491 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: like all do the state approved messaging around this. 492 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, that the mainstream media can't hold those two thoughts 493 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: in their head at the same time that like people 494 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't be brutally murdered, and also like that doesn't mean that. 495 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 2: Also that kind of rhetoric is damaging to our. 496 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: Society, right right, exactly. 497 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the closest I saw people like I 498 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 3: remember reading him being described as a firebrand, and I 499 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: was like, wow, that's. 500 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: Very and like I do think that happens in the 501 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: aftermath of anyone's death, where like you know, the obituaries 502 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: of like Rush Limbaugh that come out of the day 503 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: after are probably gonna be pretty yeah, from objective. But 504 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: I think this is the thing. 505 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: When you are on the receiving end of the shitty 506 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: rhetoric and violent ideas that a person of spouses or 507 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 3: their value what their values are, those people typically come 508 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 3: their response is not sorrow because these are seen as 509 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: vectors of introducing like the normalization. 510 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: Of hate speech into their lives and things like that. 511 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: And it's like the same way like when Hulk Hogan died, 512 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 3: you had like wrestling fans be like he was a 513 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: legend and a lot of black people were like he 514 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 3: was racist as fuck. 515 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, you know, it all. 516 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 3: Depends this is this is how this how you know 517 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 3: it's it's all subjective to a certain extent in terms 518 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 3: of how people view a person and what that means 519 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 3: to them. But the words I would I would say, 520 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 3: we're unkind because like you look at a lot of 521 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 3: people point to like media Matters and those like media 522 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: sort of groups that like you know, report on a 523 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: lot of the stuff that's happening on like the the 524 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: extreme right wing, and like you look at just clip 525 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 3: after clip of the stuff that he said, and you're like, 526 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 3: you you're hard pressed to find a thing when you're like, oh, 527 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 3: that was. 528 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: That was that was a level headed take. He was 529 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: lying in many cases, Like the free speech thing is 530 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: like telling lies about people to dehumanize them. Yeah, yeah, 531 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: in many cases, So like that by not saying that 532 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: when we're talking about his legacy and by then paying 533 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: that is like a free speech thing, you're allowing for 534 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: like violence, Like that, you're giving power to a movement 535 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: that is already using violence to suppress people's. 536 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, because yeah, you don't you allow no space for 537 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: any examination of like the totality of something if it's 538 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 3: the whole thing is like this is this guy was 539 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 3: a saint, right, don't say anything more. 540 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: The just reflexive attempts to villainize the trans community and 541 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: make this seem like it was like part of a 542 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: broader thing like all you know that that was one 543 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: of the groups, one of the you know, most targeted 544 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: at risk groups in the country that he was very 545 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: uh just awful towards said awful dehumanizing things about And 546 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: in the aftermath, like there there was this article that 547 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: was up on the front page of Drudge for like 548 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: a whole day. It was from the Washington Free Beacon 549 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: about that they were like this these social media accounts 550 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: in a like online community where like multiple of the 551 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: people behind the accounts were trans I indicated for knowledge 552 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: of the attack, like they were, and like there were 553 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: screen caps of people being like, he's going to find 554 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: out on September tenth, and Charlie Kirk, this is not 555 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: a warning. This is like trying to make it seem 556 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: like this, it was this broad conspiracy they're perpetrated by 557 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: trans people. And then like that's just quietly like gone away, 558 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: but like they had fabricated screen grabs that they were 559 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: posting and being like the FBI is investigating whether these are. 560 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: Real or not. 561 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's just the sort of shit 562 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: that's going to enter the bloodstream, Like people are going 563 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: to take that as fact, like the things that you're 564 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: writing in the days immediately afterwards. 565 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and no one's going to come back and 566 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: check to say like the you know, to verify like 567 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: the veracity of something like that, because again, these people 568 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 3: are just on a just fucking waiting to blame trans people. 569 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: Or the left. Yeah. 570 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean those text messages that they released too, 571 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 3: Like that's already causing a ton of confusion now because 572 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: you have give an entire group of people like both 573 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 3: of them, mostly on the left and on the right, 574 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 3: or like these are fake, these aren't real texts, Like 575 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: no one talks like this, right, and you know that. 576 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: And it's awful that we live in a time where 577 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know, are they trying to trying 578 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: to fucking make this a thing that it actually isn't 579 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: or is this how this guy actually texted, like seemingly 580 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 3: talking like a boomer. Yeah, it's just like all and again, 581 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: I think all of that lack of clarity just allows 582 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: all this other shit to to kind of fester and 583 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: and people continue on with their you know, campaign to 584 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 3: just stoke more violence against their enemies. 585 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: I do think it's worth just noting because I think 586 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: in the aftermath of this event, it is easy to 587 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: just make it seem like, well, they're now they have everyone, 588 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: and like, I don't think that's true. Like I think 589 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people like they They did a moment 590 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: of silence for Charlie kirk Att at New Orleans Saints 591 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: game NFL game over the weekend. Yeah, the crowd booed 592 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: until his name was no longer on the scoreboard, allegedly. 593 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's because they're like bloodthirsty leftists. 594 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: I think people just generally have a sense that like 595 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: turning him into a larger than life like figure is 596 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: like I don't know, it's like like I just don't 597 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: think they want to have this thing where like they're 598 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: deifying this like right wing person like it's a it's 599 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: a type of political violence. 600 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's also just because it's I 601 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 3: think it just also feels. 602 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: Strange to people. Yeah, that they're like wait, what who 603 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: what right really? And then then you kind of like 604 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: all of that. 605 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: Also, I think maybe people know that I feel it 606 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 3: explicitly or not, or like what's happening around yeah right now? 607 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people generally are like uncomfortable and like 608 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: this administration is less popular than I think it might 609 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: seem to everybody right now. Yeah, you know there's a 610 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: CNN poll like ye people in the cabinet, which who 611 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: the fuck knows what anything means? 612 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 2: So stupid. 613 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, the CNN pull like weird horse race with no 614 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 3: stakes to be like who's pulling bad in the cabinet. Okay, 615 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 3: but it's Pam Bondi number one minus nineteen points minus night. 616 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: So more like disapprove is nineteen points higher than approve. 617 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. 618 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: She's the head of the Department of Justice, which is, 619 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, the wing of political violence of the Trump administration. 620 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 3: But I just want to point out there were six 621 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: NFL teams that didn't pay tribute, and that's being written up. 622 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: They're like, what's wrong with these controversial home teams that 623 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: were there? The ones that did not were the Bengals, Lions, Colts, Vikings, Steelers, 624 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: and Ravens. 625 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: Right right. So I don't know, we'll we'll see where 626 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: this goes. But I just I don't think it's you know, 627 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: the mainstream media had has me feeling like, oh man, 628 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: everybody has just like gone fully towards the Trump side 629 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: of things, where they're like, now we agree with the 630 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: stuff that Charlie Kirk was saying. Yeah, I don't think 631 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: that's true. I think, well, you. 632 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really evident in just looking at the headlines 633 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: from different outlets like where these edit like where their 634 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 3: editorial sort of voices because there are people who are 635 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 3: trying to be like what the fuck is going on? 636 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 3: And others are like remembering, yeah, fiery. 637 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: Words, and as I got a ton of pushback from 638 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: like readers and like a lot a lot of people. 639 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: So I don't Yeah, I think it's like this institutional 640 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: mainstream media like kind of flinching mainstream. 641 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: They already chemocrat. 642 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: Yeah you're going to get a fifteen billion dollar lawsuit 643 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 3: from Trump, you know what I mean. Like it's they're like, 644 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 3: these are headaches, so they don't want to deal with 645 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: so they're just stay quiet. 646 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: All right, well, all right, well, speaking of steak quiet, 647 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna be quiet now because it's the end of 648 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: the episode. 649 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: Yep. 650 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: We are back tomorrow with the whole last episode of 651 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: the show. 652 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 2: Yep. 653 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: Until then, be kind to each other, be kind to yourself. 654 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: Get your vaccines, get your flu shots. I just got 655 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: my flu shot yesterday. 656 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 3: I just got a reminder for my flu shot. 657 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 2: Go do it. 658 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: This one doesn't hurt, guys. I know a lot of 659 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: people are babies about uh. They actually they figured out 660 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: how to make it not hurt. It doesn't good good, 661 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: it's not even a needle. 662 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: They just rub it on. They just rub it on. 663 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: They give you like a little BackRub and now you're 664 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: now you have flu shot. Don't do nothing about white supremacy, 665 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: and we will talk to you all tomorrow. 666 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 2: Bye bye bye. 667 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 3: The Daily zeit guys as executive produced by Catherine Law, 668 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 3: co produced by bee. 669 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 2: WAYG, co produced by Victor Wright 670 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: Co written by J M McNabb, and edited and engineered 671 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: by Brian Jeffries.