1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: All right, we're very excited to welcome on for our 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: next Jenkins and Jones and Friends episode, Pablo Torre the 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: New meadow Lark Media Transfer hopping out of the transfer portal, Pablo, 5 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: thanks for hopping on and our apologies that Jackson Filipino 6 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: fish chew. 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: I'm fucked up by this. 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 4: So I came in hot right off the bat Tyler 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 4: hadn't even joined the zoom thing, and I asked Jackson 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: if he's Filipino because of my brain. I was like, 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 4: this looks like a guy who likes spam baguely multi ethnic, 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 4: like that's you know, necessary an subfishing conditions. And he 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 4: was like, no, I'm a fourth everything, and that has 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 4: shaking me. 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: I apologize as as as you know, as hosts, we 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: want to make you as comfortable as possible. 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 5: And he does that to a lot of people. 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: You know, he's he's white on the spectrum. 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 5: All right, Jackson just gonna sit there quiet. 21 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 6: He ain't gonna say nothing, say Filipino fish time. 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 5: I apologize. I apologize on behalf of. 23 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: My thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 6: Man. 25 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 4: I'm just less confident that I've ever been to start 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: a podcast, but figure. 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: Out that's the energy we try to get all of 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: our guests in. 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 5: So that's our that's our investigative interview technique. 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: It's like we have racially ambiguous producers of all types 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: in order to knock people off there. 32 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 5: To So, first of all, thanks for joining us. 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: We're recording this a couple of weeks after you announced 34 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: that the move over to meadow Lark Media. 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 5: Awesome deal. 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: Uh, you know you're still gonna be on I think 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: most of the ESPN properties people are used to seeing 38 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: you on. Can you just tell us how crazy the 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: last couple of weeks has been for you on a 40 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: personal level. 41 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 5: Yeah? 42 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 4: Man, Uh, I've worked against BN for about eleven years. 43 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 4: I've suckled at one teat as an employee for a 44 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 4: very long time, and I had to explain to my mom, 45 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 4: like why I'm giving up Disney Healthcare to work for 46 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: a guy that looks like Mike. These are all good questions, Mom, No, 47 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 4: but look I it starts because I went to Moss Miami. 48 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 4: So LeBatard has essentially LeBatard Fest, which is one of 49 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 4: the weirdest things you guys would, I think strangely enjoy it, 50 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: but guaranties things. 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of like it's kind of like you 52 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 3: show up. 53 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: And it's it's it's not an echo chamber, because it 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 4: is that, but it's more than that. 55 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 3: It's like when you get to sort. 56 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 4: Of go to a at Disneyland, I think sometimes you'll 57 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 4: see like the characters walking around with their heads off, 58 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 4: like the costumes off. 59 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: That's what that is, Just. 60 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: Like people coming up to you and being like, holy shit, 61 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 4: you're like this. And so anyway, Ron McGill was holding 62 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 4: like a giant like walrus penis bone on a stage 63 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 4: and you know, all of this stuff was happening, and. 64 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: I was like, this feels like a place that. 65 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: I would consider working, and so my contract is up 66 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 4: March thirty first, and it was it was an unintentional 67 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 4: recruiting visit. I just went down there to hang with 68 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 4: my friends White and Seen in Forever, And when it 69 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: came time, like Dan asked me if I wanted to 70 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 4: help figure out what the fuck they should be doing 71 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 4: at Metal Lark and I was like, yeah, man, absolutely, 72 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 4: and so at my yeah, my phone's melted and all 73 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: of that shit, and people have been wildly kind and 74 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 4: it's been an emotional roller coaster. All of those cliches 75 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: are true, but it's it's mostly something that I'm thrilled about. 76 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: Man. 77 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, I listened to your to Your Going Away 78 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: episode on on esp and Daily, and my dog was 79 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: going through it. Like you know, I know it's a 80 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: bittersweet time where you know you're excited for the movie 81 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: you're about to make, but you're also, you know, kind 82 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: of sentimental and appreciative of the time you spend at ESPN. 83 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I know, it's a roller coaster of emotions. 84 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: Like you just said, dude, I got lightly stoned and 85 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: re listened to that. 86 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 5: Did you Cry in the Darkness? Like you listen, I. 87 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 4: Felt so many feelings that I wasn't even aware that 88 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 4: I was in my voice. 89 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, this guy, I hope he's okay. 90 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: But it's the thing of I hosted, like again, almost 91 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: seven hundred episodes of that. 92 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 3: It was my life. 93 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 4: And so for me unplugging from that and figuring out 94 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 4: what's the thing that I'm genuinely, genuinely like unable to 95 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: make right now that I really really want to do. 96 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: And I'm going to speak in ambiguities because I should 97 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: say that I haven't figured that out yet, but I 98 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 4: have this blank piece of paper where they're empowering me 99 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: to do exactly that. Yeah, I got ideas, and I 100 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 4: also have a lot of a lot of things I 101 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 4: probably should go to therapy for. After working for ESPN 102 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 4: for a long. 103 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 6: Time, how did you negotiate the deal? Like, you know, 104 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 6: going from ESPN doing ESPN and Middle Arker at the 105 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 6: same time being at Middle lark Is. You know, part 106 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 6: of their brand is the anti ESPN. 107 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, diplomacy, John, I'm full of mad. 108 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 4: I'm here to build a rainbow coalition. I'm here to 109 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 4: bring together former presidents and current presidents. I'm here to 110 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 4: bring together guys who shot on ESPN all the time, 111 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 4: but the guys who get shit on by that guy. 112 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 2: No. 113 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: But I realized that, like Around the Horn. 114 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 4: And PTI, these shows that I've done, I'm functionally like 115 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 4: you know, family with them. And as long as it 116 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 4: became clear to me that they still wanted me to 117 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 4: do that stuff, and they had this evolving perspective as 118 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 4: far as I could tell in my position as labor 119 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 4: as to like, Okay, wait, there's this other thing you 120 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 4: could be doing with your other time. We love you 121 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: on ESPN daily. But if you have this offer that's 122 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 4: out there and you want to feel strongly about it, 123 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 4: and it's gonna take this and this and this, Yeah, 124 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 4: diplomacy really is the answer. And I should say that 125 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: it's entirely possible that I fuck all this up. It 126 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 4: is entirely possible that I am a Canarian a coal mine. 127 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 4: And I don't know if you know about coal mines, 128 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 4: but canaries tend to die inside. 129 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,119 Speaker 5: It doesn't work out for the kidney. 130 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 4: But we're gonna find out. Man, I I'm somebody. 131 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: Look. 132 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: The only thing I want to bring to this is 133 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 4: like a transparency of like why this is happening and 134 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 4: why people are letting me do it. 135 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 3: And the good news. 136 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: It's that like in most in most uh sort of 137 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 4: shared custody situations, there's a lot more animosity at the top. 138 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 4: And right now I feel like the happiest child of divorce. 139 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 4: It's a really weird thing to kind of be. 140 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: Uh Christmas right now, that's the plan, is both Christmases. 141 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 4: I'm playing one household off the other. I'm telling him, Yo, 142 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: look what I got from mom? What are you giving me? 143 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: Yes? 144 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 4: I'm making everybody feel deeply emotionally insecure for my stay. 145 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 5: Up, and that's hilarious, So go ahead. 146 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: I was I was gonna say, you know, Dan dan 147 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: is Is is a very unique case and that during 148 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: his time at ESPN, he he kind of created this 149 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: whole universe of his right. It was like there was 150 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: like this Lebratar universe where you know, he was as 151 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: a senior ESPN guy, he was reaching back to the 152 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: younger talent, right like he took you under his wing. 153 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: He took Omani, you know, Mina, you know, Katie noll And, 154 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: And that's I think that's just so commendable of him 155 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: to like reach back and you know, provide y'all with 156 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: tangible opportunities. Of course, there's plenty of people who meant 157 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: are behind the scenes, but Dan was like, you know, 158 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: I have a platform here. I'm gonna make yall regular 159 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: guests on my show. I'm gonna give y'all, you know, 160 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: more ears and more eyes on you. And I think 161 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: that's really his legacy there. So I'm just kind of 162 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: interested in like the whole process there, Like how how 163 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: how did you kind of get initiated into like the 164 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: Levatard Universe when he was at. 165 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: ESPN hazing man like you sort of figure out, wait 166 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 4: a minute, can this person handle the kind of show 167 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 4: this is gonna be the first time I ever appeared 168 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 4: on Dan's show, I'm pretty sure long story short, I 169 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 4: was a sign of story on Kanel Alvarez recover of 170 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 4: ESPN the magazine. Another writer, Tim Cwan, who's great, was 171 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 4: a sign of story in Floyd Mayweather. Dan when he 172 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: was at ESPN had both of us on air at 173 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: the same time. I had never really talked to Dan, 174 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: but what he had done was set up a like 175 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 4: you go and then you go take turns like giving 176 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: us the five most interesting nuggets from your story. And 177 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 4: so Tim Qan, I'll remind you profiled Floyd fucking Mayweather, 178 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: who speaks English and is as described, and I have 179 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 4: Canel Alvarez, who is wildly not interesting. And so I 180 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 4: made my you know, chicken salad out of chicken shit 181 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: as a writer, and I love that story. But on air, 182 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: I was set up to essentially be laughed out of 183 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 4: the room because everything Tim gave was better than my shit, 184 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 4: and Dan knew it, and it was like, if this 185 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 4: guy can can swim in this pool full of you know, 186 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 4: of bits and and and frankly like discomfort. Then I 187 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: think there's something there and and the more real answer 188 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 4: long term was yeah, Dan has always been something of 189 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: like a talent scout. I think a lot of it 190 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 4: is because he's a deeply generous, genuinely generous person. Other 191 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 4: parts of it are because he is also lazy and 192 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 4: wants other people to do work for him. And he 193 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: was like, I don't have to pay this and they 194 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: can come on my show and make me better and 195 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,359 Speaker 4: younger and smarter and more diverse. Great and for me obviously, 196 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 4: Like where it nets out is Dan became a mentor 197 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 4: and a really good friend who Yeah, no, I I 198 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: was about to tell a story that betrays the confidence 199 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 4: about what he may have done at my wedding reception, 200 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 4: but I'm gonna save. 201 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 5: That for later. 202 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 4: But the point is Dan got really fucked up at 203 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 4: my wedding reception. But I did that as a sign 204 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: of like, we are in each other's family at this point, 205 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 4: and Tyler to your larger thing there about like what 206 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: it allowed us to do. So much of sports media 207 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 4: and media in general is about structure and fitting into it. 208 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 4: And I love structure. I love format. I get it, 209 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 4: and that show is the opposite, and you get to 210 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: fill that negative space with a more three dimensional version 211 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 4: of yourself where you tell stories about your life. You 212 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 4: end up being friends with people, live in front of 213 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 4: an audience that has these Yeah, as I said, like 214 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: these genuinely, like the word parasocials become this like clinical 215 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: term for describing like how listeners obviously feel. You guys 216 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 4: have this too, where you guys feel related, you know, 217 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 4: close to your listeners because you guys bring your full 218 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 4: selves to that. 219 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: That's Dan Man like that. There are a lot of 220 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: places on ESPN for us to do that. 221 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's actually a great segue into one of 222 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: the things I wanted to ask you about. First of all, 223 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: I wanted to give you props on ESPN Daily. I 224 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 2: like all three of us. I think all four of 225 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: us have kind of a similar approach to sports. It's 226 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: like it's interesting to an extent, but it's mostly interesting 227 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: as a doorway into other conversations and bigger topics and 228 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: everything else. Right, Like, I'm curious about your approach to 229 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: that and the way that the industry is evolving. 230 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 5: I agree with you. 231 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: Dan's had a big part in kind of shifting that, 232 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: you know, and making podcasts like our as possible honestly, 233 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: like you said, where it's like, okay, we're talking. Sometimes 234 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: we'll talk about basketball for five minutes, you know, and 235 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: then we're talking about what. 236 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 5: Your worst English teacher has said to you or some 237 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 5: shit like that. 238 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: But but that, like I think when we were all 239 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: starting out, that really was not what sports was at all. 240 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: So how much have you enjoyed being able to have 241 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 2: the freedom, I guess to kind of bring all these 242 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,479 Speaker 2: different topics into sports. 243 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 4: So you just mentioned reminds me that, like the reason 244 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 4: I wanted to become a writer was because I wrote 245 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 4: like like an epilogue to The Giver. I do you 246 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 4: guys read the book The Giver in school? 247 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 3: You know that shit? Lois Lowry Shadow. 248 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 5: Do you still have the epilogue that you wrote to 249 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 5: The Giver? 250 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: I think my mom may have saved it, but to 251 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: the point to the point, and it's embarrassing actually to 252 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 4: go back and never revisit that. But it made my 253 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 4: sixth grade teacher cry and I was like, holy shit, 254 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 4: Like I think I want to be a writer. 255 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: This is an emotion that I've like. 256 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 4: I have not felt watching her get emotional about this, 257 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 4: And so the thing I've always followed is like what 258 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: makes you feel stuff? And insofar as sports, is that 259 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 4: lens like, why don't we consider sports something that is 260 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 4: more akin to I mean, look, sports is the toy 261 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 4: department in the sort of classic imagining of a newspaper, 262 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 4: and I'm right, And to me, I'm like, it's also 263 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 4: it's also everything. It is also every section in the newspaper. 264 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 4: It is also the politics, business, culture, arts. 265 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: There's there's real shit in there. 266 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 4: And for me, it's always been the widest possible aperture 267 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: to talk about society life, you know. I to me, 268 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: I've as somebody who only got into sports full time 269 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 4: professionally because I bombed the BLSAT the first time I 270 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 4: took it right. 271 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: I was always somebody who. 272 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 5: We're going to talk about. We're gonna talk about this later. 273 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 5: I have to ask you about that. 274 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 4: No, no, no, But the point is, like I was 275 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 4: always passionate about sports as a fan and as a 276 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 4: writer and working for the newspaper in college and all 277 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 4: of that. 278 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 3: But my concern. 279 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 4: Was never that it would be too limiting because where 280 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: I came up in sports. It was through magazine Sports 281 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 4: Illustrated in ESPN, the magazine and then shows like Dans 282 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 4: even pe tying around the horn, like there are ways 283 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 4: to talk about so much more and so I have 284 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 4: never felt limited by it. And that to me is 285 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 4: why it's the greatest fucking scam you could run just 286 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 4: to work in sports media. 287 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: Man, It's unbelievable. 288 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: It's like people expect nothing from you. You soar over 289 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 4: that low ass bar, and sometimes you make people feel 290 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 4: things and they get smarter because the things you're talking about. 291 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: It's an amazing thing. It's an amazing thing. 292 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 5: But you make I just want to like, you make 293 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 5: such a good point. 294 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: And I'm always having this argument with like our friends 295 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: who are not sports people who are like you know 296 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: who sort of this totally like you said, it's the 297 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: toy department right, every newspaper. And I'll always just point 298 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 2: out it's like civilizations played sports before they formed economies, 299 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like religion and sports 300 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: are the first two things that any group of three 301 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: or more people figure out. 302 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 5: You know what I mean. So, yes, that's a that's 303 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 5: a great answer, Thank you, John. I'm sorry. I didn't 304 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 5: mean to say it's all good, it's all good, it's 305 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 5: all good. 306 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 6: I'm interested in like the production behind like the Daily. 307 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying today the show, you know what. 308 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 6: I mean, Like how much power did you have in 309 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 6: like choosing like the topics you know, I mean where 310 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 6: those things are like we got to talk about this, 311 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 6: this is important or this is clickworthy? 312 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 5: You know what I mean? 313 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 6: Because you know, like or I'm truly interested in this, 314 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 6: Like what was that process? 315 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 5: Like? 316 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I always prided myself on I'm being curious 317 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 4: like stuff that I don't know about. That's the other 318 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 4: thing about my approach to sports is stuff I don't 319 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 4: have takes on from the jump is the stuff that 320 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 4: often is most fascinating, Right, And so as long as 321 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 4: I figured out like an angle on it that I 322 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 4: found engaging, I knew we could do something with it, 323 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 4: especially if the guests. I mean so much of it 324 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 4: is reliant on these guests that we pulled from. But 325 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 4: the production process, John to your point, like I had 326 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: not worked in high production audio storytelling until ESPN Daily. 327 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 4: I love look again to go back to Dan Shore. 328 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 4: How most shows are filmed there, They're tape, They're so 329 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: low fi deliberately because they are meant to be conversational 330 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 4: and less about a cinematic aspect of how to tell 331 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 4: sports stories. And so for me, I essentially was the 332 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 4: managing editor of the staff, and so I got to 333 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 4: weigh in on every topic. We also had to manage 334 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 4: of course, like ESPN has this awesome piece investigation documentary feature, 335 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: like can you guys do something with it? The challenge 336 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 4: to me was, look, I know this is not my show, 337 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 4: this is not the Pablo tore Show, but it is 338 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: a host is a show hosted by me that I'm 339 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: again like overseeing. So the challenge was, here's a topic 340 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: I don't know about. Maybe I wasn't responsible for the 341 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 4: piece that we're about to discuss, but what's the way 342 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 4: that we could do it that is substantive and pushes 343 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 4: it to another level? 344 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: And so that challenge every fucking day, man Like. 345 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: We had a staff of about eight people and we 346 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 4: worked our asses off it. It was the thing of 347 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 4: I have never been swimming in so many Google docs 348 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 4: in my entire life. You know, it's just a thousand 349 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 4: fucking Google Docs all of the time. 350 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 6: How long was that process? Like from my idea, like 351 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 6: you know, you know, doing a narration sound design, yes, 352 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 6: and then dropping like that's a I mean, that's a 353 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 6: that's a process. 354 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 5: How long was that? 355 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 4: No, Man, we were like it was like a NASCAR 356 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 4: pit crew kind of a deal. We would come up 357 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 4: with the the docket for the next week by Thursday 358 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 4: for the following week, and then we had to slot 359 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 4: in five shows and very rarely would we have a 360 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 4: show in production more than a couple of days before, 361 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 4: and so we were just constantly keeping the ball in 362 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 4: the air, and occasionally there would be stories that I 363 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 4: pitched that I wanted us to work on that were 364 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 4: slower burned things. 365 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: You know. 366 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 4: Our investigation into whether Jalen Rose is actually the first 367 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 4: Jalen was a thing that we pieced together over time, 368 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 4: like those are the pieces. 369 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, more evergreen shit. 370 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 4: That's, by the way, spoiler alert, Like, that's the shit 371 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: that I always wished we had more time for because 372 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 4: we were always trying to swim in the currents of 373 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 4: a news cycle. But yet we were trying to do 374 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 4: all of those things simultaneously, and so production narration like honestly, like, yeah, 375 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 4: we'd be doing voiceovers and pickups and edits, like the 376 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 4: day before, and that's something that no audio storytelling platform, 377 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 4: if they had their brothers, would want. Man, it was, 378 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 4: it was, it was. 379 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: It sounds stressful, it sounds exhilarating though as a curious 380 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: person all that research writing, it sounds, it sounds fun. 381 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 4: It felt like it felt like a newsroom in ways 382 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: that I had not felt since college. We're like, we 383 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 4: haven't slept enough. I don't know if we're getting paid enough. 384 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 4: We love this ship, and yes, all of that, all 385 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: that's true. 386 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: Soble, you're making this pivot to metal arc from you know, ESPN, ABC, Disney, 387 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse isn't writing, isn't signing off on the checks anymore, right, 388 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: So that filter is coming off, which is something I'm 389 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: very looking forward to. I look forward to that ship 390 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: when when all of my favorite mainstream sports folks go 391 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: this route. So I'm curious, man, which curse word are 392 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: you most looking forward to using on a regular voice? 393 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 5: Motherfucker? Is that's my favorite. 394 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 4: I'm trying to reclaim some old timey Asian racism and 395 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 4: just use that as a point of pride. I want 396 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 4: to preempt Jason Whitlock whenever possible. I want to make 397 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 4: it so he has no power over me. I want 398 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 4: to claim all. 399 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 3: Of those. 400 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 5: I did not believe that motherfucker, Bro I I. 401 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 4: Have Unfortunately, I have too many thoughts and all of 402 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 4: them mostly help him at this point. 403 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a shame. 404 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: He's a shamelesscript When that motherfucker was the fending, fucking 405 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: obscure World War two slurs, I was like, bro. 406 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: Can I tell you the two things? 407 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 5: Though? 408 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 4: That always warmed my That warmed my cockles. I don't 409 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 4: think I say that on Fidney. I don't even know 410 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 4: if that's something that I shouldn't be able to. 411 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 5: Say that Disney. We appreciate it, though, Yeah, yeah. 412 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the two things I love whenever with Locket's 413 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 4: in the news. One, of course, is the LeVar Ball 414 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 4: Snacks clip, which is the greatest line read of a 415 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 4: line in sports media. 416 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 5: History, totally. 417 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 4: The pause, the pregnant pause, and then Snacks with the 418 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 4: definitiveness is amazing. And of course the second thing is 419 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 4: Tyler's tweet about shortened shortness, which is just like I 420 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 4: just go through the comments looking for that and it's 421 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 4: like an easter brome. 422 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, bro, I that's how legit that is. 423 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: The that signafore when I know that Whitlock said some 424 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: function that I saw, that tweet starts getting retweeted in 425 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: my mention like this is all that ever needs to 426 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: be said about What the fuck did you do that? 427 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: May Man? 428 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me very happy that someone I'm friends 429 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: with has literally the definitive, Like there's no other sentences 430 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 2: need to be said about that guy. 431 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 5: Uh, I just want to Yeah, let's sun. 432 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 2: We should just go through Tyler tweets at this point 433 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: and reread him roasting Jason Whitlock. But uh, you know, 434 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you. You mentioned coming up Sports Illustrated. 435 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: I was doing a. 436 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 5: Slight slight prep I guess for the interview papla, but 437 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 5: I didn't. 438 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: I didn't realize you wrote the SI feature on athletes 439 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 2: going broke, which like, which is like one of the 440 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: first things I first pieces I read where I was like, 441 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: this is really like this is what I want to do, 442 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? 443 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 5: Like, this is like I grew up in Long Beach 444 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 5: around a lot of people who became. 445 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: Professional athletes, so it's like, this is what the actual 446 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: world is, this is what they're talking about, this is 447 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: what they're worried about not like sort of the noise 448 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: part of sports media, right, And so I I, you know, 449 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: you have this great, really strong background as a writer, 450 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: but obviously anyone our age and younger is at some 451 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: point also doing something else, right, Like, right, Thompson's the 452 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: last guy who it's like, I'm going to write and 453 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: then as my multimedia thing, I will read the things. 454 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 5: That I wrote on television and you know, you're You're right, 455 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 5: totally wonderful voice. 456 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: But you're one of those examples of people who, like 457 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: Mina who we've had on transition from writing into bringing 458 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: sort of those same skills but into podcasting and into 459 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: you know, having a personality and being fun on television. 460 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: You mentioned you grew up wanting to be a writer, 461 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: like that was sort of the motivating desire. So what's 462 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 2: that transition been like for you and how much have 463 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 2: you embraced it versus sort of having some trepidation about 464 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: that transition. 465 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, this is where I can squarely lay 466 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 4: the blame at the feet of Dan Levatart like Dan 467 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 4: Lebtardan and Tony Kornheiser are both people that I've looked 468 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 4: up to in this business and both people who have 469 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 4: pulled me aside and said, isn't writing fucking miserable? And 470 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, it's really it's really hard, and they're like, 471 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 4: you know what's not miserable and pays you a lot 472 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: more money television. It's like, oh, these are good points. 473 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: I'm thinking that now. 474 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, got it. But no, I had a 475 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: number of conversations. 476 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 4: And so the other thing about going to South Beach 477 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 4: to do Dan's show during the ESPN era was that 478 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 4: you would fly to fucking Miami and you would hang 479 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 4: out with Dan on South Beach. Then afterwards he take 480 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 4: his Mercedes Benz convertible out and it had, you know, 481 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 4: all of the things that you'd matter. It's just it's 482 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 4: it's it's it's a caricature of Dan, how he lives 483 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 4: in Miami. He is the mayor of that town. He's 484 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 4: rolling around in a drop top convertible with like a 485 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 4: matt rap on it, and it's it's just him convincing me, 486 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: without eating, to try very hard that writing is not 487 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 4: going to be your future. And so there is a 488 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 4: real angel devil on my shoulder thing where the devil 489 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 4: is obviously Dan, and the angel is that teacher I 490 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 4: made cry in sixth grade she read my thing, and 491 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, but what if I'm actually a better writer 492 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 4: than I am any of the other things I do? 493 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 4: What if even if writing is the hardest, it's the 494 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 4: thing that's most satisfying to feel having written. That's always 495 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 4: That's always the joke, right, I don't like writing, I 496 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 4: like how being written. And Dan and Kornheiser are both 497 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 4: people who were made miserable by writing and wanted to 498 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 4: hang out with their friends and talk. And once you 499 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 4: get over the preciousness of like, uh, you know I 500 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: I look down my nose at no. But to your point, 501 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 4: no writer is actually trying to live a pure life here, 502 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 4: you know, like everybody is. Everybody has realized that we 503 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 4: live in an age where we're trying to do everything 504 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 4: because we're also people who like doing more than one thing. 505 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 4: And so I have a conscience that bothers me and 506 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 4: bites me, that tells me on this sub stack that 507 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 4: I just made Pablo Tory dot com. Sorry, this is 508 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 4: very I'm gonna do this, so thank you, thank you. 509 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 3: But it's like, do I write there? 510 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 4: Do I is that where I put things that I 511 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 4: actually use these fingers to type again, and and so tentatively, 512 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 4: the answer is yes. And we'll see how much my 513 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 4: sixth grade teacher haunts me from I think she's alive, 514 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 4: but from her grave. 515 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, the grave of your daily life. 516 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 517 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a very self centered person. She's effectively dead. 518 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you about High Noon. I love 519 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 6: it was the smartest sports show in existence while it 520 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 6: was existing. What I learned from it, you know, not 521 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 6: existing anymore? Is that a really good show? You know 522 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 6: what I'm saying? Like, might not make it? 523 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Like it could be great. 524 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 5: You could, you know, you could. 525 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 6: You know, you got a great producer, great talent, great topics. 526 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 6: You know, it felt like it felt like you know, 527 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 6: the the old interviews that I would watch when I 528 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 6: was younger that were you know, I learned listening to y'all, 529 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 6: you know what I mean. That's why I would have 530 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 6: it playing, you know, while working and things like that. 531 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 5: I loved it. What did you learn from it? And 532 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 5: how was that experience for you? And do you think 533 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 5: there's room for that in sports media? Like a show 534 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 5: like that? Again, No, I. 535 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: Really appreciate you saying that In a in a I 536 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: am so nostalgic for the mission that we had. And 537 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: the big what if that you think about now in 538 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 4: retrospect is like was that more of an internet property 539 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 4: than a linear television property? You know, like what if 540 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 4: that was a video podcast show? Like what would have 541 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 4: been different about that? I think the trick of what 542 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 4: high Noon was was that it was trying to subvert 543 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 4: a medium, certainly in production style. And look, I loved, 544 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 4: oh my god, that first episode we played fucking music 545 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 4: underneath the whole thing, and it was like Western music 546 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 4: and it was like immediately too weird, and we changed it. 547 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 4: We like, never did this the whole show again. John, 548 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 4: I'm telling you I loved that. 549 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 6: Crazy on internet property. You're right that right there, that 550 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 6: weirdness is like invite we invite that on YouTube or something. 551 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying exactly, And that's so I 552 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 4: should say, correct myself, Like that was the first example 553 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 4: of like audio production so to speak, on television or 554 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 4: any medium that I really did was the music bed 555 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 4: under high Noon. And so what we were trying to 556 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 4: do is figure out a way to be ourselves and 557 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 4: build chemistry and do the stuff in the daily sports 558 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 4: news cycle while also trying to balance the mandate of like, yo, 559 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 4: we're coming off of First Take, and so we are 560 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 4: giving people something that we absolutely want having watched First Take, 561 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 4: but our lead in being particular and Stephen a owner 562 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 4: of nine of the other ten greatest line reads in 563 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 4: sports media. 564 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 3: By the way, no shade, he is fucking unbelievable. 565 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 4: I love that dude in ways that he will probably 566 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 4: never fully appreciate, but it is. It was an experiment 567 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 4: that you know, and then we go to half an 568 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 4: hour in the afternoons, which I wasn't bothered by, but 569 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 4: ends up changing the very premise and real estate becomes 570 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 4: scarce and it's harder to build chemistry in that format. Yeah, man, 571 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 4: I have no regrets about that, but I do have 572 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 4: mostly nostalgia for the fact that we tried to have 573 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 4: discussions that went to levels that sports television in the 574 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 4: linear cable television model just never really had time for 575 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 4: in the talk show daily setting. And yeah, man, working 576 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 4: with Bo like dude, I like to think that over 577 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 4: the last so High Noon started in June of twenty eighteen, 578 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 4: went away at the start of the pandemic of twenty twenty. 579 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 3: So about two years, they went right into ESPN Daily. 580 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 4: I just feel like I've been working out these muscles, man, 581 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 4: like doing a show with Bomani Jones in which you're 582 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 4: going back and forth five days a week and you're 583 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 4: being challenged and you're standing up for what you want 584 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 4: to argue for and like it's yeah, I got so 585 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 4: much better and learned a lot about how I do 586 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 4: and don't need to do conversation on TV. 587 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: And I'll always be in debt to bo for that. 588 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, if you've got you know, sparring off with 589 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: Bomani five days a week on your resume for two years, 590 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ, you know you're prepared. 591 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 4: I'm ready many so for real, for real, I will say, 592 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 4: like when I look back at my TV career, right 593 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 4: so that one percent is how I feel about it. 594 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 4: And then the first TV thing I ever did was 595 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 4: The O'Reilly Factor. The first the first TV appearance I 596 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 4: ever made was in two thousand and eight. It was 597 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 4: the Beijing Olympics. I was at Sports Illustrated. We got 598 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 4: a call the PR department got a call late at 599 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 4: night on a weekday, and it was like Bill O'Reilly 600 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 4: wants to talk to somebody about Michael Phelps, and I'm like, 601 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 4: why the fuck are you coming to me? 602 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 3: I'm like a fact checker, you know, I'm like twenty three. 603 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 5: I wasna say, how old are you? 604 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 4: I'm the only I'm the only guy in the office. 605 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 4: And they just wanted a warm body for Bill O'Reilly 606 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 4: to go against. And I was like, okay, like I 607 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 4: did debate in high school, like let's see how this feels. 608 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 4: And you show up and you realize this is like 609 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 4: right after the We'll do It Live clip went viral. 610 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, like one of the first great viral, 611 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: like like like YouTube got invented because they're like, we 612 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: need a place to put ship like this. 613 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 4: Right absolutely, And so I just remember like sitting across 614 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 4: from Bill O'Reilly, who was like who had the skull 615 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 4: size of you know, those like the the alien race 616 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 4: that created humans and Prometheus, this like giant skull. 617 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: I'm just like in awe, like this this fucking oh 618 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: great great movie, great movie. 619 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 5: But his eyes are two thirds of the way down 620 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 5: his head. 621 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 4: I'm staring at at this at this Republican OLMEC, and 622 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 4: I'm like, what what am I about to do here? 623 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 4: And it turned out that again just trials by fire 624 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 4: and TV for me, Like he just wanted to lecture 625 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 4: me about his high school swimming career on Long Island 626 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 4: because he watched Michael Phelps and just needed a sports 627 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 4: person to like be a corpse to throw ideas at 628 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 4: that were not ideas, mostly just his memories. And I 629 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 4: learned a lot that day, like I could survive that, 630 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 4: and that I really needed to know what my face 631 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 4: looked like when I was not talking, because I was 632 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 4: mostly on screen listening in awe of how I climbed 633 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 4: into this television and I'm now sitting across from this 634 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 4: caricature of a person. 635 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 5: That's incredible. 636 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 4: I need you shit, bro, dude, it is. I hope 637 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 4: it is, Like it's on my IMDb page. Comically, I 638 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 4: don't think there's video evidence, and I really hope there isn't. 639 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 3: I look terrified by the way. 640 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 4: That's another thing I learned from that was like to 641 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 4: appreciate stephen A is like Steve watch stephen A. When 642 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 4: he's not talking. He is an active listener. He's probably 643 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 4: the most active listener because. 644 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: Like that has the he has the reacting part of it. 645 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: The first improv class down fucking pat Yes, he's not 646 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,719 Speaker 2: just a static foil like he is, like his eyebrows 647 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: are part of your conversation. 648 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: He is a big yes. But guy, he's not a 649 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: yes and dad. 650 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: But he is absolutely selling everything you're saying with his face. 651 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 4: And so I bring it up just because I've gotten 652 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 4: to work with people who are at the extreme ends 653 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 4: of talent and caricature and reputation, and I just feel 654 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 4: like surviving that shit man, Like I still feel like 655 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 4: I climbed inside of the television to be honest, Like, 656 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 4: I'm very comfortable on TV now because I know all 657 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 4: these people, and uh, there's a real domestification once you 658 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 4: realize that, Yo, this guy needs to go to therapy 659 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 4: just like me. 660 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: But the point is that, yeah, I'm. 661 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 4: Just not scared anymore of like whoever I might encounter 662 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 4: on TV. 663 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 6: According to your wiki, you said your dad was the 664 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 6: Lebron James of urology. 665 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 5: So we have the Lebron James of feet and the 666 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 5: Lebron James of engineer. 667 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 6: I want to and I want to ask that you 668 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 6: saying that makes your dad sound like the best urologist ever. 669 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 5: Why when hearing. 670 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 6: Lebron James say he went to the Lebron of feet, 671 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 6: did I feel the exact opposite. We talked about it 672 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 6: a little, but you went to Harvard, so I trust 673 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 6: you're really smart and I'm wondering what you think about that. 674 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 4: So I should be clear though as a journalist that 675 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 4: I said that my dad is the Lebron James of 676 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 4: Filipino urology. 677 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 6: Oh okay, okay, okay, which is a. 678 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 3: Very swinky so you know false, you know what I mean. 679 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 5: But I want this. 680 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 4: I want this episode to be footnoted. I want this 681 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 4: the correction. 682 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 5: Yeah episode, but I did, I did. 683 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 4: I did laugh my ass off when I saw Lebron 684 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 4: use the construction that I did fartically to describe my dad. 685 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 4: And yeah, the Lebron James of feet feels like you 686 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 4: have the you have wildly polarizing but arguably the first 687 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 4: or second greatest feet of all time. I just feel 688 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 4: like he missed the characterization and the framing there, like 689 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 4: he was talking about like you was talking about like 690 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 4: wiki feed rankings, and I'm talking about, you know, the 691 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 4: best urologists, the best surgeons in the country. 692 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 3: He's just fucked his ship up. 693 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome, everybody. Pablo dot com. Keep your eyes 694 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: on Metal Arc Media as well for Populiser. Before we end, 695 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: do you have any questions for us? 696 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: Oh? God, you guys are still friends. Guys, I like 697 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: each other. My god, got the disease of more. 698 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 4: Hasn't set in for you guys, like the Warriors ship 699 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 4: now when I saw John golfing and I was like, 700 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 4: this guy is having the time of his goddamn life. 701 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 4: Like you guys have all had this zen you have. 702 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 4: I mean, I watched Tyler go to war with people 703 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 4: on Twitter. It's one of my favorite things. But I 704 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 4: feel like even in that, even in that, when you're 705 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 4: going at when you're like the one guy who was 706 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 4: conducting the interview with KD that I always wanted people 707 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 4: to conduct. 708 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: He's making the exact face that he's making right now 709 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: when he's tweeted, yea, bro, Bro, I'm never like out 710 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: my character when I'm like, you know, going at people 711 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: on Twitter, because for one, I'm not like arguing you 712 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: to get my point across. 713 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm usually arguing like, bro, the shit you said is 714 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: really fucking stupid. He realized that, Like, that's usously where 715 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm coming from during these back and posts on Twitter 716 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: so yeah. 717 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 4: What I want to say is that you guys, for me, 718 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 4: embody like a form of Internet brain that is one 719 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 4: of the rare healthy conds, you know, like Internet brain 720 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 4: to me is a disease that has afflicted all of us. 721 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 4: And I look at you guys, and I'm like, you 722 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 4: guys have figured this out in a way that very 723 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 4: few people have, like how to be happy online and 724 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 4: make careers on the internet, and it's it's fucking great. 725 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 3: No, I'm fans of all of you seriously appreciate that 726 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 3: so much. 727 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 5: Man. Well, thank you everyone. 728 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 2: Please hit pabloty dot com sign up for the substack, 729 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 2: getting very nice welcome email spoiler alert and and yes 730 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: we're all looking forward to it to what you got coming, man, 731 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 2: And thanks so much for hopping on with us. 732 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 5: We really appreciate you. 733 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 3: Thank you guys, Sir