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Speaker 1: So when the cast listed posted online, I saw the

425
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Speaker 1: Ivan cast in my dream role of Miss Hanagan. But

426
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Speaker 1: it turned out that they posted the row list and

427
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Speaker 1: when it went was posted up next God, Hanan, this

428
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Speaker 1: is of course, Oh my god, why are theater teachers

429
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Speaker 1: so meet? I wanted to share that the one piece

430
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Speaker 1: of media I've made all of my friends watch is,

431
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: of course Avatar, the Last Cairvender. I was that kid

432
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Speaker 1: who watched it in two thousand five, and was it tough?

433
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Speaker 1: That it taught me everything that is good and bad

434
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Speaker 1: in life, etcetera. Etcetera. I did make all of my

435
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Speaker 1: friends watch the episodes with me weekly over zome for

436
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Speaker 1: months on end, and then I need them watch the

437
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Speaker 1: Legend of Cora. So I am that girl and I

438
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Speaker 1: would love for you to talk about it. So, I mean,

439
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: I haven't seen like the Avatar like original series or whatever,

440
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: but I thought maybe that the listener was talking about Avatar,

441
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: directed by what's his name James Cameron, and like the

442
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Speaker 1: thing that must be said about Avatar the movie, which

443
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Speaker 1: aren't we supposed to get a sequel or something we're

444
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Speaker 1: supposed to get like twenty sequels to the Avatar movie

445
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: and the dates keep being announced as if that means

446
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Speaker 1: anything because it's been delayed so many times and it's

447
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: still like the highest grossing movie of all time. But like,

448
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Speaker 1: like ask a stranger on the street if they've seen

449
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: the movie Avatar, they will say yes, Ask them what

450
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: the plot of it is, and they'll be like blue

451
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Speaker 1: people yet literally, but that the thing that also Kate

452
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Speaker 1: Winslet is in the sequel is she she's like booked

453
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Speaker 1: for it and busy if it happens, um is coming

454
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Speaker 1: back even though she died she dies in it. But

455
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Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. No, I do not remember

456
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: a single detail from the movie. I do the love Avatar. Okay, Well,

457
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: all I have to say is that, Well, why don't

458
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Speaker 1: you start? Then you induct me because I don't remember

459
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Speaker 1: any of the movie. Well, if you've seen Pocacontas, you've

460
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: seen Avatar. What. Yeah, it's the same plot. Is it

461
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: supposed to be like an it's just the James Cameron's

462
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: a hack. So so it's about colonization. Yes, that is

463
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: the entire plot of the movie. Okay. And also it's

464
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Speaker 1: basically Atlantis, which is also kind of the plot of Pocontis.

465
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Speaker 1: I love Atlantis. Atlantis is what we should talk about

466
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Speaker 1: because Milo is hot. I mean obviously. Actually the main

467
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: takeaway from Avatar of the movie is that the Navi

468
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Speaker 1: are hot. Also, I've been to the ava our section

469
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Speaker 1: of Disney Um, which you know only exists because they

470
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Speaker 1: couldn't get Harry potter Land because originally Disney was like

471
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Speaker 1: bidding on Harry potter World and J. K. Rowling demanded

472
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Speaker 1: a train. She wanted a Hogwarts Express and Disney said no,

473
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Speaker 1: and so she went to Universal because they were like, obviously,

474
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Speaker 1: we'll give you a train because we're gonna make a

475
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Speaker 1: jillion dollars um. And so Disney was like, oh, well,

476
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: we need a theme park world that like is like

477
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: on a similar vibe of like you know, like this

478
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Speaker 1: like world building where we can like sell a lot

479
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Speaker 1: of merch. And they were like, well, Avatar is the

480
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: high scrolsing movie of all time that no one's actually

481
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: knows what it's about. Um, And that's why the Avatar

482
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: theme park exists at Disney. And the ride in it

483
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: is actually so fucking good. Really, I like almost cried

484
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: during No, Yeah, I did. It's so good. There's a

485
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Speaker 1: part where you can smell oranges. It's amazing. Four D Okay,

486
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Speaker 1: it's like for D, you really never disappoint me with

487
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Speaker 1: your theme park knowledge. Ever, I love theme parks. We

488
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: should do a theme park episode. Um, can you tell

489
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: me the standouts from the movie, because the only thing

490
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: I can remember is the NAVI sex where like the

491
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Speaker 1: little like kind of thallus appendage like goes into the well. Yeah,

492
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: they put their braids together, and it's like that's it's

493
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: so vivid. Okay, here's Avatar. This is what Avatar is about. Um.

494
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Speaker 1: There's a planet called Pandora. Humans have colonized it for

495
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Speaker 1: like some precious mineral that it has. I think it's

496
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: it's called unobtained. Um. It's a letterally because they can't

497
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: obtain it. God's so stupid. Um. And so this guy

498
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Speaker 1: who is a paraplegic is like part of the you know,

499
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: like military, and goes there and he joins this thing

500
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: called the Avatar program where they project people's minds into

501
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: these like lab grown bodies that are like human DNA

502
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: mingled with the Navvy. And he is in this body

503
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: and is like hanging out with the Navy and meets

504
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: and then he becomes friends with them and falls in

505
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: the Wizoe Sildanna and then he's like humans are bad.

506
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: And then they like there's a war and the Navvy

507
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: triumph and he oh he and he gets he. They

508
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: do this ritual under this huge tree and his um.

509
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: This is after Sigourney Weaver has died and his mind

510
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: gets permanently transplanted into his avatar body. Oh that's a

511
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: great ending. It's kind of a trans story. It is

512
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: that is super trans And I also have to say

513
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Speaker 1: this is deaf trans species. Trans species. Now that is

514
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Speaker 1: what we should putting through the Supria Mama. Okay, so

515
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: I have to say, like, um, his name is Jake

516
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: Sully also, which is like the name of the main character.

517
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: And didn't that guy not do like literally anything. Now

518
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: he was in one other movie that's cuckoo bananas if

519
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: you're in the most profitable movie. And I also seeing

520
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Speaker 1: Avatar movie theaters was like one of the top five

521
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: most stoned times I've ever been in my life. I

522
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: watched Dead Sober, which means I need to rewatch it. High. Um, yeah,

523
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean the Navy are hot, is like the most

524
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: important thing to take away from this conversation. And it

525
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: really is Atlantis. It's not it's not pocon I mean

526
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: they're all about No, it's it's Atlantis. Because I'm sure

527
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: there's like a thing on Tumbler somewhere where they have

528
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: like all the story beats side by side. Well and

529
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: it's the same plot. There's even a part where they

530
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Speaker 1: like I can understand each other because of magic or something. Oh,

531
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: I see, listen with your heart, you will understand. And

532
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: that's what grandmother Will is like, Oh my god, this

533
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: movie is so problematic, like we can't even but like

534
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: I think John Smith doesn't. Doesn't he ultimately go to

535
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Speaker 1: he goes back to go with him. Well that's in

536
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: the sequel no no no, no no. Pocon Is stays

537
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: back and waves and then she goes with him in

538
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: this so okay, I have I cannot be overseated that

539
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: this is a movie. It's like the movies are so

540
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: egregiously racist, racist and like insidiously like an eraser of

541
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: like obviously indigenous people. But like they made a whole

542
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: second movie about how Pokehon has went back to England

543
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: and that's like based in it, but it's like a

544
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: happy version of what is like the saddest story about

545
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: like a like a pre teen Pokehon. It's like being

546
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: basically kidnapped, but you know what, just around the riverbend slaps. Unfortunately,

547
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: I was in the car the other day getting down

548
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: to colors of the wind high Road, Hyprion. I'm calling

549
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: you guys because I need to tell you guys about

550
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: the X Files. It was absolutely, in every possible way,

551
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: my sexual awakening. I have never wanted to watch two

552
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: people have sex more than Molder and Scully, and as

553
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: a bisexual, I frankly and had an absolute toss up

554
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: about who in that show was hotter. You have nine

555
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: girl Power, you have David Ducoviny with the hair, they're

556
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: both wearing suits. There's all the conspiracies, and the fucking

557
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: government is out to get us or is it the

558
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: aliens or lies? The whole thing hot, just hot. I've

559
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: always wanted to sit in a basement room with a

560
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: poster with the UFO on it with somebody have years

561
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: and years of tension while we try to figure out

562
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: what the government is lying to us about. It is

563
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: UM my number one obsession, and I think I am

564
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: literally searching for um for my threesome with David ducomany

565
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: and and Scully. In every aspect of my life, I

566
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: only wanted to do do some with Jillian Anderson and that's it.

567
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: She can peg me. I'm sorry to say, UM, I've

568
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: never seen it. Did you watch? I was a casual

569
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: watcher of The X Files when it was on TV.

570
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: I think it was like maybe a little young. It

571
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: was like, it's very scary, um and I. But I

572
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: did see the movie when it came out and was

573
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: really obsessed with the movie and had the action figures

574
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: from it. Oh wow. I think what I liked about

575
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: it was that I did like the part of it

576
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: that it was very unclear if the aliens were real

577
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: or you know, what was going on. But I think

578
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: like then there was the aliens were actually real. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

579
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean this belongs to a class of media that

580
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: I only know from commercials because I maybe wasn't allowed

581
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: to watch it at the time, but didn't he go

582
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: on forever? Well it there was a it came back

583
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: as a as a movie and as a TV Yeah.

584
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: I watched the reboot. I saw the reboot movie in

585
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 1: theaters and it was fine. Um. I think like one

586
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: of the big things about the show was like, not

587
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: only the are the aliens real? But you know, will

588
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: there won't they will Muldern Scully get together? And I

589
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: believe they did. They had a kid together. I think, Um,

590
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: they were both extremely hot um and and kind of

591
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: like peak nineties hotness. They very much are kind of

592
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: like the archetypes of like TV leading man, leading leading Lady.

593
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: Did they precede Men in Black in terms of alien

594
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: um espionage? Yeah, because aliens were all the rage in

595
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: the nineties. Oh yeah, because of Roswell. Did you ever

596
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: watch the TV show Roswell? No, Sorring Sheery Appleby. I

597
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: didn't even know it existed. Oh my god. It was like, um,

598
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: Roswell is Buffy era um, when you know, like supernatural

599
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: teens were all the rage. And it's about a girl

600
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: who lives in Roswell, New Mexico and gets shot in

601
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Speaker 1: a diner one day and a sexy alien heals her

602
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: with his alien powers. And it was Catherine high goals

603
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: breakout role. I feel like I was not. I was

604
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: not when I watched Men in Black in theaters. I'm

605
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: pretty sure that like I had to leave the theater

606
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: because I was too scared. I was. I'm not joking.

607
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: I had a really low threshold for fear at the time.

608
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: I was probably like what, like, you know why I

609
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: had to leave the theater because I thought the scene

610
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: where the alien drank sugar water was so disgusted. It's

611
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: so it's so gross. It's it's really discussed unnecessarily necessarily gross.

612
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: That was another I don't it was a scared yeah

613
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: to gross humor. I don't need it. It's a little,

614
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: it's a little but anyways, Gillian Anderson can tell me anything, honestly,

615
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: there's like a little not that she ever went away

616
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: about the Gillian Anderson renaissance that's kind of happening right now.

617
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: The gillisance as you if you if you will um

618
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: is truely I was founding. She is good in every

619
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: single thing she's popped up in in the last like

620
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: five years. One thing about the X Files of the

621
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: Creator so really have always been incredibly opposed to fan fiction.

622
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Really wait, like to the point where

623
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: they would send fan fiction writers cease and desist letters

624
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: just like wait, what um because they didn't want people

625
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: like playing in their sandbox. That's like when when like

626
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: what was it? Like Spielberger Scarcese was like these streaming

627
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: services are just going to ruin everything or whatever, and

628
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like you can't. If

629
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Speaker 1: you're gonna make art, you have to like your beholden

630
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: to the culture you're giving it. And it's also like

631
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: fan fiction is the only artistic medium that people are

632
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: not trying to profit off of, Like, yeah, we have

633
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: the fifty shades of gray of the world, but those

634
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: are outliers. Fan creators spend hundreds and hundreds of hours

635
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: creating incredible art literally just for the sake of making it. Yeah, Wow.

636
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: I have seen people right, like hundred thousand words stories

637
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: that like no one reads like passion projects God, and

638
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: they're not and they're not monetize able at all. Next

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Speaker 1: next call Hi, Rosen Fran Obviously, I love you so much.

640
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Speaker 1: UM's why I'm calling. I know this show is a

641
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: little problematic, um now in but Ugly Betty one of

642
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: my top Watching it and hearing all of the really

643
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: do bad things that they say now, um, just recognizing

644
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: it and knowing that it's bad she's talking. It was

645
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: just very helpful for me in my life, just getting

646
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: me um. Comedy and the jokes and just everything. I

647
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: love it so much, um, as well as you guys. Okay, bye,

648
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: love you too. UM. Vanessa Williams will Amus Later one

649
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: of the best to ever do it, actually one is

650
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: and present one of the most amazing villains of television.

651
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: I adore everything she does in this series. Ugly Betty

652
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite TV shows. It's I mean, yes,

653
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: some of it hasn't aged well. The trans stuff is

654
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: particularly bad. There are also a lot of fat But

655
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: but I love it and I love Alexis Mead. Yeah,

656
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: and I'm allowed to say that. On the trans stuff

657
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: of it all. Like I'm always astounded by actually, like

658
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: the number of like trans friends that I have that

659
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: love this show, love this show, and yeah, it definitely

660
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: didn't do it right and like, um, but it did it,

661
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: but it did it exactly and that was almost Um.

662
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: When we say things are ahead of their time, it

663
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: almost always means like fucking data, now, you know what

664
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean? But like it was ahead of its time

665
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: in some ways. And something that I remember very vividly

666
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: about Alexis meads plot line is there is this really

667
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: heartbreaking scene where she kind of takes a guy home

668
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: for the first time post transition, and um, she thinks

669
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: it's going really well and he's like they're kind of

670
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: having a bit of a romance, and she finds out

671
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: that he's working for her dad or whatever, and she

672
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: like and she leaves the room like very confidently and bravely,

673
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: and she's like she like kind of like tells him

674
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: off or whatever, leaves and then she closes the door

675
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: and like collapse. Do you remember that? And I remember it?

676
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is like trans women on TV

677
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: in the late nineties early aughts were like dead dead,

678
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: but no, I'm saying they were dead bodies and drug

679
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: addicts and like they were. There was only one trope

680
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: of like trans women at the time, you know on

681
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: TV and like Law and Orders for you or I

682
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: don't even I've never been seeing that. I don't know

683
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: if that's true, but like never seen you. We don't

684
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Speaker 1: know my favorite TV time. You just said that about

685
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: I have a lot of favorites. I think I've said

686
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: this on the podcast before. It cannot be overstated and

687
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: it is not an exaggeration that Ugly Betty is the

688
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: reason I work in media period. I had. I never

689
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: had a model, a modeling so strong and a point

690
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: where representation mattered so much and where I was like,

691
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: I want to be like the little Latin girl that

692
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: their bosses like treat him like ship all day, you

693
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it was just aspirational. Well,

694
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Speaker 1: who I wanted to be was Amanda. Of course Amanda

695
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: was my favor You are Amanda well, but I wanted

696
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: to be like Amanda slash Wilhelmina. Yeah, I mean, no one,

697
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: no one has ever done it like Vanessa Williams did it.

698
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: No one ever will we need Vanessa Williams back on

699
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: TV it's a great ensemble cast as well. And because

700
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: the show was pretty successful at the time, I had

701
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: great cameos. I had like Lindsay Lohan. I remember she

702
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: was supposed to have a whh my god, Lindsay Lohan

703
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: cameo so incredible. It was like it was like at

704
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: the time when Lindsay was like in Press Hilton. Every

705
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: day she was spinning out. And she famously was fired

706
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: from the show because she was supposed to have a

707
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: full season ARC I think, or multiple us at ARC,

708
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: and she was I think fired after the second episode.

709
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: So many good guest stars, Samahayak, Victoria Beckham. Oh yeah.

710
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: Also I always thought it was funny that the main

711
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: guy was the gay guy from Cruel Intentions. Oh yeah.

712
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: And also, um, there was a pre I think pre

713
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: fame Octavia Spencer playing playing um, what's his face is boo?

714
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: His like caseworker, and then with him and then she

715
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: convinces him she blackmailed him. She blackmails him into marrying

716
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: her for the green card, and she shows up to

717
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: his house in a wedding dress and then she collapsed

718
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: and she's like Ignatia love Anna Ortiz is that she's

719
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: um Betty's sister. Oh my god, yes, Hila, Yeah, yeah,

720
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad it ended after four seasons, like even though

721
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: there could have been more, it did, I think, and

722
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: on a high note agree, And I love that Betty

723
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: got her braces off, got you know. I also think

724
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: like the stuff she was wearing is like what I

725
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: see the fashion girl he's wearing on TikTok now very

726
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: ahead of her time. Yeah she was, And yeah, I agree.

727
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: I think that show land in a good place, and shockingly,

728
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: at least from my experience of it, I remember the

729
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: third and fourth seasons being actually pretty good, like it's

730
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: it's a Taylor novella, so it's like very off the rails,

731
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: but at no point unwatchable. What about the episode where

732
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: they go to Wicked, Oh my god, because it's her

733
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: favorite I'm not that. Oh my god, Judith Light, Judith Light,

734
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And she the reason why I know

735
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: who Judith Light is. This in lawn order. Unfortunately, this

736
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: is the reason I know who Judith Light is. And

737
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know who Vanessa Williams was before the show.

738
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: I did because of Into the Woods and and also

739
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: like she was such a thing in the nineties Yeah,

740
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: she was big on Broadway. I mean she was a

741
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 1: big like adult contemporary music. And this was right around

742
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: the time that she had her kind of come up

743
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: in after like the public shaming of being fired from

744
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: Miss America and speaking of Pocahontas. She did the cover

745
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: of Colors of the Wind Will Not Cover, but she

746
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: did the soundtrack version. Oh my gosh, honestly, why are

747
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: we not putting Vanessa Williams in TV shows again? Put

748
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: some respect on her name. Oh the Summahiak cameo she

749
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: was also, well, she's got like a whole season arc.

750
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: The whole season well, she famously executive produced it. That's right. Um.

751
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: It was like kind of maybe her idea to reboot it.

752
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: It was. It was so huge its first season. Didn't

753
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: it win like every Emmy? It was the show, I

754
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: think so. I think that's why they were able to

755
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: get such crazy cameos, very buzzy, and then I think

756
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: maybe like the writers strike heard it a little bit. Oh,

757
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: this is one of those right. Oh my gosh, I

758
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: killed Pushing Daisies. It killed this r I p pushing days.

759
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: I've never seen audi. Uh. I just wanted to tell

760
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: y'all I haven't even finished this book and I've been

761
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: telling everybody about it. And it's called Thoughts Without a

762
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: Thinker by Mark Epstein and it's about integrating Buddhism and

763
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: psychotherapy and it has been Um, it's a really good read.

764
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those that I can't read

765
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: it quick because I'm just sitting there and like processing

766
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: everything and applying it to my own life and meditating. All.

767
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: That's a really good book. I just want a job

768
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: to know that did you write it? And also I'm

769
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: one of these assholes. Also that it's really into uh

770
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: our dough? Like I started, do you want us to

771
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: do an episode on sour dough? Wee hobby? I read

772
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: this person psych on it. I don't know. I feel

773
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: like I want to delete this voice now. Now, Oh

774
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: my god, that's so cute. Oh I was sorry, guys.

775
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: I love y'all. I love your podcast. The really stuck

776
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: the landing? Did they figure out how to hang up

777
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: the phone? Though it's still going okay that they really

778
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: stuck the landing on that one because we didn't know

779
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: where we were going from the beginning, But like I

780
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: was endeared by the end. Um, would I will you

781
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: be reading that book. What was the name called thoughts

782
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: without a thinker mood? No thoughts had empty You know

783
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: what's funny is I am actually like I almost exclusively

784
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: read self help books. Is so bleak. It's honestly me

785
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: and Janny Wolf like we just love self help books.

786
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I haven't read this.

787
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: I probably am not going to get help. But but

788
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: but this, this reader has absolutely won me over, and

789
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: I have you. You need to know that Buddhism and

790
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: sour dose starters are a great way of life and

791
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: things that only enrichie as a human being. And also

792
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: I have never made a sour dough no, but you make.

793
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: You're a very good baker. You baked me that loaf

794
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: of bread that was much better than the same look

795
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: of loaf of bread I tried to bake. So you're

796
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Speaker 1: saying on the record that it was better than your

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Speaker 1: loving I am no. I was so. I was having

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00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: a bad week and I had seen this recipe on

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00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: TikTok for chocolate banana bread and decided I was going

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00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: to make it. And as it was cooking, a friend

801
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: called me and told me that they were at my

802
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: house and had brought me a loaf of this chocolate

803
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: banana bread that they made, and it was very sweet

804
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: and very thoughtful and so much better than the banana

805
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: bread I made, which I did throw out. And the

806
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: reason I made it was because you sent me the

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00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: TikTok and you're like, I really want to make this,

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00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: which is very unusual for me. I do not cook ever. Yeah,

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00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: for Phoebe just said, that's the easiest bread to me,

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00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: the peanut gallery. No, that is so. I look, that's

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Speaker 1: that's t Um. I have to Actually, I can't do

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00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: anything right. I'm so soft without a thinker. This is

813
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: about to be a podcast without a host, big bike

814
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: without a baker. Um. I feel like I just have to,

815
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, do my friend thing and end with some sincerity.

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00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: There's a little book about Buddhism, or rather a compilation

817
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: of Buddhist teachings called the Pocket Pemishdurn, which is like

818
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: a really gorgeous kind of like gorgeous. It's a gorgeous

819
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: gorgeous books, you know, appropriating another culture's religious She's a

820
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: very famous Buddhist monk that unfortunately was kind of like

821
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: metude Um. Great, everyone go out and buy her book.

822
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: And support her. I look, people make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes,

823
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: everybody has this is the most unraveled recording we've ever had.

824
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: It was a very unraveled all But anyways, okay, no,

825
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: I actually have to give a serious recommendation. Also, can

826
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: you please start putting your pronouns and when you call,

827
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,959
Speaker 1: so that we don't misgender you. I actually don't care.

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00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: I mean, actually the thing I don't care. I would

829
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: like to know how to refer to people, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean Frand just said, I don't care about people facts,

831
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: don't care about your feelings. Okay, but Shapiro, Frand Shapiro.

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00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: What I meant to say was that, Um, I think

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00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: that we as a culture over emphasized the import of pronouns,

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00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: and I think that if they are important to you,

835
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: you should state them, and if they are not, we

836
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: will defer to they them pronouns, which I think also

837
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: just culturally, people think it's like totally okay to defer

838
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 1: to the them pronouns, which is like not always because

839
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: you could be like miss gendering someone by doing that. Um.

840
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: But anyways, anyways, I have to this book. The Pocket

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00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: pemish Adren is a collection of teachings from the Buddhist

842
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: monk pemish Adren. And if he's canceled, who we don't

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00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: believe we like a virgin, do not concept of cancelation.

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Speaker 1: She was Metude for not um not. She basically was

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Speaker 1: complicit in abuse that happened in her monastery. I believe

846
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Speaker 1: that we should consume things, as we've said in original episodes,

847
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Speaker 1: consume things and then make their history stick. That's why

848
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Speaker 1: I said that she had been Metuo. Anyways, her books

849
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: are wonderful, and so if you don't want to go

850
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Speaker 1: and read all her books, it's all truncated in this

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Speaker 1: teeny little pocket him of children that literally changed my life. Hi,

852
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Speaker 1: I'm calling this kind for no reason. I wanted to

853
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Speaker 1: just tell Evils how much I love the podcast. From

854
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: the very beginning, it was you have a Harry Potter one. Um.

855
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Speaker 1: I just I was bor than seventy eight, so I'm

856
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Speaker 1: older than you all, But I like everything you're talking about.

857
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: I just finished the Final Toll podcast. I'm not on

858
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: social media currently for my own mental health or look

859
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Speaker 1: good for you getting there, but I did use five

860
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Speaker 1: star reviews on Apple podcasts and on Spotify podcast and

861
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Speaker 1: for everyone I know. And my name is Phoebe, so

862
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Speaker 1: I love you another Phoebe, an iconic name. We're doing it. Um,

863
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Speaker 1: I would say like Twin Peaks, but I feel like

864
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Speaker 1: that's kind of a thing that everyone who's already watched now.

865
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Speaker 1: I was actually watched it when he was live on

866
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Speaker 1: the air, So I was eleven years old because a

867
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Speaker 1: mother who liked David Lynch a lot, which was went

868
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Speaker 1: too early for them as a result, kind of petrified

869
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Speaker 1: for life by it. And we'll always been say a

870
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Speaker 1: certain characters names. Um, I love you guys to dress Buffy,

871
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Speaker 1: I love it all. Just thank you so much for

872
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Speaker 1: doing it. Please keep doing it. Thanks that nice. Okay.

873
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Twin Peaks? Okay, I actually have

874
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Speaker 1: never seen a single episode, but I really wanted to

875
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: watch the Laura Dern edition of it. Do you know

876
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: the basic premise or do you need me to know?

877
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: I actually literally know nothing about it. Okay. Twin Peaks

878
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: is a TV show about a small town called Twin Peaks,

879
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: and the inciting incident is that this team girl named

880
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: Laura Palmer is found murder and so this detective named

881
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: Dale Cooper played by Kyle McLaughlin say his name heard

882
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: multiple times in this episode, comes to town to figure

883
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: out who her killer is. There's a lot of suspects

884
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: and like at first it seems like, you know, maybe

885
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: it's just like a weird who done it? And then

886
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: it turns increasingly otherworldly and spooky. Was created by David Lynch,

887
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, the like Autter Mastermind. It had several different

888
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: iterations because the original series lasted for two seasons. The

889
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: first season is really incredible. The second season goes kind

890
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: of off the rails because Lynch actually left it. Um well,

891
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: he's like that makes no sense. He's like literally like

892
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: the spine. Well, I think I think the thing was

893
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: like the main question was who killed Laura Palmer, and

894
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: he really wanted to never answer it, but that's iconic.

895
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: But people were really concerned with finding out who killed

896
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Speaker 1: her because it's like it's like not the point of

897
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Speaker 1: the show. And so then there was there were two

898
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Speaker 1: movies I believe um Firewalk with Me is one of them,

899
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: and then recently with like a couple of years ago,

900
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: there was Twin Peaks The Return and it is incredibly weird.

901
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: It's really stylistically captivating. I feel like that's what David

902
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: Lynch is like known for. It's like a highly stylized,

903
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: like um style of directing, and that the fact that

904
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Speaker 1: he has this kind of postmodern if not I was

905
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Speaker 1: gonna say surrealist, but I guess it's more like fabulousm

906
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Speaker 1: kind of thing. It's also surrealist. Um. Everything is super heightened.

907
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 1: Another Lynch movie that I love is Wild at Heart,

908
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Speaker 1: starring Laura jurn In Nicolas Cage, one of the only

909
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: other movies I like Nicholas cagn I don't think I've

910
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: seen Wild at Hard waits. It's fucking weird. It's so weird.

911
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: There's this one scene where, so it's about Laura durn

912
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: who's like runaway with Nicolas Cage, and there's one scene

913
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Speaker 1: where her mother, who's trying to get people to like

914
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Speaker 1: hunt them down and kill Nicholas Cage, is on the

915
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Speaker 1: phone and she's putting on lipstick and she's like going

916
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Speaker 1: insane and she just keeps with the lipstick like overdrawing

917
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Speaker 1: and overdrawing and overdrawing until her whole face is paying

918
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I feel like I've seen that. And

919
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Speaker 1: definitely it's like it's like a tumbler thing. For sure,

920
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Speaker 1: and it's I'm sure there's like drag queens who have

921
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Speaker 1: done refts on it, Hi Bran and Rose Um. I

922
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Speaker 1: just listened to your musical episode and you asked, what

923
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Speaker 1: like popped our cultural terry. I feel like there's many

924
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: a moment, but musical wise, like it wasn't. The first

925
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: musical I saw was High School Musical? Big deal for you,

926
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: because I lost my mind. I was like in the

927
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Speaker 1: fifth grade when it came out, and I had it

928
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Speaker 1: on DHS tape and I would watch the first half

929
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Speaker 1: of it one day before school, and then the next

930
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: half of it the next day before school. I would

931
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Speaker 1: wake up for watch it. And this went on for months.

932
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Speaker 1: And I love Decca that wo actually kind of really

933
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Speaker 1: demand to you. I think I also loved Ashley Tisdale

934
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Speaker 1: like I still do. Okay, Yeah, I was just wondering

935
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Speaker 1: if High School Musical was like as big of a

936
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Speaker 1: thing for YouTube as as yeah as I feel like

937
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: it is for the world. Oh father's son, how's the Gucci? Um?

938
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Speaker 1: I definitely, you know, watched High School Musical, But I

939
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Speaker 1: think part of it is that I'm a little old.

940
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Speaker 1: Like it came out in two thousand and six. So

941
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Speaker 1: I was a senior in high school. So I definitely

942
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: saw it and I saw the second one, but I

943
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Speaker 1: had kind of aged out of being the right demographic

944
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Speaker 1: for it. I was exactly the demographic when it came out.

945
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Speaker 1: I was in like I was like three years older

946
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Speaker 1: than That's what I'm saying. As I was like, I

947
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Speaker 1: think a freshman in high school or something like that,

948
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Speaker 1: and I remember like you could not escape it, like

949
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Speaker 1: you it was like so it took over the entire

950
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Speaker 1: culture of our school, and it was actually I remember

951
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Speaker 1: being I remember being annoying to me, and it was

952
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: one of those things that I've always had good taste.

953
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: I feel um, and I feel like one of these times, okay, yeah,

954
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: one of these things I feel like um with uh

955
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: this in particular, I get I often get really allergic

956
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: to things that everyone says is really good, you know,

957
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: and like on the baseball you look at it and

958
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't think I'm gonna like this. So

959
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't need to be another person that

960
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: talks about how good it is, you know what I mean. Yeah,

961
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: I just yeah. Anyways, Um, I definitely jerked it to

962
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: zac Efron, though, like when I was You know, who

963
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with was the girl who was a

964
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Speaker 1: dancer and she had that one line where she went,

965
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: I loved I love to pop and lock and dance

966
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Speaker 1: and break. I just kind of active on TikTok. I

967
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what you're referring to, because

968
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: I actually have never seen it. I have seen the sequel.

969
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: You've never seen it? No, I never. I told you.

970
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: In high school, I decided I didn't need to watch it,

971
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: and so I've never seen That's crazy, Um No, I've

972
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: never I've seen it. It is very much like the

973
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: stratification of musical Holy sh it, that's a brave thing

974
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: to you know, like but not it's not very gay. No,

975
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: it's not. And Zach Efron is in it, which is

976
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: crazy and straight I know, but he is a twink,

977
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: he's like, but he is the straightification of musical theater culture. Yeah,

978
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: but that's so confluting. Hello, have you seen you've seen

979
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: the Greatest Showman? I guess what I'm yeah, because I

980
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: have many times. I watched it on like every time

981
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: I go into plane, I watched The Greatest Showman. I'm

982
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: obsessed with it. I think we should so good and

983
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: we should take that out just for credibility. No, I

984
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: love the Greatest show, and I'm not ashamed to say

985
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Um, you will cry when you

986
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: watch it. You know, musicals can do that to me.

987
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. But I have to say. What

988
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean to say is that this movie is unfortunately

989
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: gay culture of that generation. Like gay men loved this,

990
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: and and and gays were horny for zac Efron. He

991
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: was a thought. It was that teen girls were horny

992
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: for no gay guys too closeted gay men. I think

993
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: we're this was a cataclysm and and that and this

994
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: was an unprecedented heart throb that entered the culture at

995
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: the time. Time we had been in a desert. We

996
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: it even years since Jonathan Taylor Thomas, you know what

997
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, yeah, it was very it was very

998
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: tiger beat. Um. But I just I think I actually

999
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: had a problem with high school musical because it's all

1000
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: about these like the popular kids being like wait, actually

1001
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: singing dancing is kind of cool, and like the villains

1002
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: of the movie are the theater girls are actually Tisdale

1003
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: and her fag brother, which I think is wrong, and they,

1004
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: to me are the actual heroes of high school musical.

1005
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: And I would like a village in origin story about Sharpey.

1006
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: Let me tell you if there's one. I want her

1007
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: Joker origin story. I would like to hear who was

1008
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: styling actually Tisdale for these red carpets, because that I

1009
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: think she was styling herself. I think that you think,

1010
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't know? Can we can we can we look

1011
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: at some of these just like she has reacted to

1012
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: some of them on TikTok. Really look feather boas studded belts.

1013
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: We have some boot cut jeans. This is actually skirt

1014
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: over jeans. Yes, skirt over jeans culture that was huge though,

1015
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan, Hillary Duff, like the tiny piano purse. Listen,

1016
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: this is this is a smile like she's on so

1017
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: much riddlin and I think we have to you know,

1018
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: they all were, you know, every High School Musical cast

1019
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: member was getting Judy Garland was getting the Judy Garlands special.

1020
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: Like when they weren't on set, they were in hamster

1021
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: wheels getting electric shops. I have to say, okay, listen

1022
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: what Ashley Tisdale is doing on the Red carpet is

1023
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: actually so brave because this is post Libby lu said,

1024
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: you know I had to do it to I'm pretty

1025
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: sure Limited Too had already descended in the could this

1026
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: is Justice era? High School Musical? I I did see

1027
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: the sequel, I've never seen the third one, which was

1028
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: released in movie theaters. And then High School Musical is

1029
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: the reason we have Olivia Rodrigo. I was as she

1030
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: broke out because of the show High School Musical, the

1031
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: musical of the series, which is actually I think a

1032
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: brilliant which I think. That's what I've what I've gleaned

1033
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: is that it's a show about a school doing a

1034
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: production of high school musical at their school. Yes, which

1035
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 1: is and it's maybe the school where they shot High

1036
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: School Musical. But how does that have multiple the metal Layer?

1037
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: Have you watched it ever? Okay today, I'd be curious

1038
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: to know, like how how it look? You were You're

1039
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: you're a little what a little Olivia Rodrigo fans called.

1040
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: I like her music. I'm not going to watch High

1041
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: School Musical the musical the series. Look, I don't know

1042
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: how deep, I don't know how deep the roots of

1043
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: your fandom are. Sometimes you really you really surprised me

1044
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: with But I do remember last year when Good for

1045
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: You came out and she only had like two songs

1046
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: on Spotify. If you were listening to her and like

1047
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: after Good for You, it would go to the High

1048
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: School Music series songs, so I definitely heard the first

1049
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: like ten seconds of them by accident, by accident, also

1050
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: High School Musical. Give us Vanessa Hudgens and I am

1051
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: of Vanessa Hudgens Truther. Of course, of course people are

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Speaker 1: really love hearing all of your calls, and please keep

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Speaker 1: need an episode. Or if you don't want to leave

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Speaker 1: a review for fear of us openly mocking you, which

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Speaker 1: we might, you can also make suggestions on what we

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Speaker 1: can talk about in the reviews on Apple podcasts, So

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Speaker 1: go ahead and tell us what you think we should

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Speaker 1: be watching over there and will company that. But if

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Speaker 1: you do feel comfortable calling in, you can do that

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Speaker 1: at three to three pennance. That's three to three seven

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Speaker 1: three six two six to three. As Frans said, please

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Speaker 1: leave us a review on Apple podcast whether or not

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Speaker 1: it has a suggestion in it. It really helps us

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Speaker 1: a lot. I am your co host Rose. You can

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Speaker 1: find me on social at Rose Damn You. I'm Fran.

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Speaker 1: You can find me at Frank Squish Coo anywhere you like.

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Speaker 1: to podcasts and leave us a rating on Spotify Review

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Speaker 1: and Apple Podcasts. Like a Virgin is an i Heeart

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Speaker 1: radio production. Our producer is Booby Inter with support from

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Hoffman, Julian Weller, jes Crane Hitch and Nikki Utar.

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Speaker 1: Until next week, Bye oh