1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Quality dams, but that Joseph's gotten more. I bet that 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: folks will understand what I'm about to say. If you've 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: got a mama or a grandma out there that when 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: you were a kid, one of the ways they express 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: their love to you is preparation of meal. And it's 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: only something that that it might be simple if you're 7 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: a kid. For instance, you know, fried chicken or spaghetti. 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Perhaps I still remember my grandmother's fried chicken. I put 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: it up against anybody in the world best fried chicken. 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: A orrel. 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: But you know, there's there's a lot of effort that 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: goes into preparing a meal. It's not something that you know, 13 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: mamas don't get the credit. Grandmas don't get the credit 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: that they need to because you know, most chefs that 15 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: are out there, they have this air of celebrity about them, right, well, 16 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: you know what they're absent that mamas and grandmas have 17 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: when they're making food. That's love and it's translated through food. 18 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: Many times, it wasn't my case, and I think the 19 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: more complex a recipe is it's almost demonstrative of love 20 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: because it takes so much time and I'm thinking a 21 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: meal I've always wanted to try. I've never had beef Wellington. 22 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: It is a process to create this meal. I've always 23 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: thought it would be delicious. But today we're going to 24 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: go back to a case that we have covered previously, 25 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: but now we have more information. It's a case of 26 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: a mama who used beef Wellington for murder. I'm Joseph 27 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks, Dave. I don't know 28 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: that I've ever asked you this question, thinking back, God 29 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: rest her soul, your mama, what was the favorite thing 30 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: that your mama made for you that you recall? Do 31 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: you recall what it was? 32 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: Corn beef hash that I liked it? 33 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: And the thing is that I didn't realize that you 34 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: made this really cheap dish, right, and because there are 35 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: seven people in our family, but it was one that 36 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: I liked, right, And so she would always cook us 37 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: our favorite meal for our birthdays growing up, and my 38 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: favorite meal varied from time to time, but it always 39 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: seemed to be and I didn't know this untill later, 40 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: that they loved my birthday because it was really cheap. 41 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: You know, whatever I was thinking was the cheapest thing 42 00:02:59,520 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 2: to make. 43 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: As you're going with that, oh, that's all right, man, 44 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: I love cornby fash. 45 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: I really did learned later in life, you know. 46 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: We did. 47 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: We didn't have a lot of money either. My My 48 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: favorite meal that my mama fixed was uh Swiss steak, 49 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: Oh wow, and she and it's it's a cheap cut 50 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: of meat and you cook it till it falls apart, 51 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: and it's got to mate a gravy with it. You 52 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: put it on white rice, which stopping coming from Louisiana. Uh, 53 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: I didn't grow up on potatoes. You know. Most people 54 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: grow up on mashed potatoes. And look, I like mashed 55 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: potato as much as it. But we we grew up 56 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: on rice. My favorite one of my favorite desserts that 57 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: my Granny Pearl used to make was her rice pudding. 58 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: There was nothing that could touch it. And the reason 59 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm pointing this out is that recipes and food and 60 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: everything else are made. They're made with love, brother, I 61 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: mean they really are. And it does if you don't 62 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: have a lot of money, I think there's a lot 63 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: more love in it, dude. 64 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: You know to say this, pasure, It's so funny that 65 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: you mentioned this because my mom was a good cook, 66 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: and I really took that for granted. I was much 67 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: older when I realized that my mom was a good 68 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: cook and the time, and then I realized the time 69 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: she spent preparing it right. But one day she made 70 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: she made meat loave, love for meat loaf, and I 71 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 2: went to my grannies. I went to my grannies, and 72 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: I found out that not all, not everybody can cook. 73 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: Her meat loaf was from the devil. It was the worst. 74 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: I was so excited, Oh we're having meat love awesome. 75 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: And one bite and I'm not kidding, I aged ten 76 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: years and lost hair. It was so bad. Oh my gosh. 77 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: I was a little kid thinking I've heard of kids 78 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: hiding food, you know, on each other plate, and I 79 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: was trying to find ways that I could cough and 80 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: get it in my napkin to hide it. 81 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: Oh, it's so bad. I would rather have been hungry 82 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: than before it stay. It was. 83 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, how do you mess that up? My granny 84 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 2: could not cook at all? 85 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: Was her heart? 86 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I can't say that. I never knew 87 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: my other grandmother, but my Granny Pearl could cook so good. 88 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. When my mother, my mother didn't 89 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: know how to cook either, But you know who she 90 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: learned how to cook from my granny Pearl. And my 91 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: granny Pearl was not even her mother, oh was the 92 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: mother and my father. Yeah, my grandmother died while my 93 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: mother was playing the piano for and so she died 94 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: at like sixteen, And when my mother was sixteen, my 95 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: grandmother died while she's playing the piana for. Yeah, kind 96 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: of wild swary, But anyway, my mother had to learn 97 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: how to cook from my father. 98 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: Mother had kitchen to be in. 99 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: It was, it was, and a lot of joy was there. 100 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: You know. That's that's one of the things that we 101 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: think about, don't we. We think about the joy that's 102 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: associated with just going into a kitchen with people that 103 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: love you and that are taken care of you, and 104 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: that kind of brings us around to you know, to 105 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: the story. And I'll go ahead and tell folks, we've 106 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: already done an episode on this, and I was so 107 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: so fascinated by it because I'd never in the course 108 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: of my work as a death investigator, I've never had 109 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: one of these. Really, I've never had like someone purposed 110 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: to prepare an entire meal based on a toxic substance. 111 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: Now we've I've had things we've covered things. You know, 112 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: everything from you know, cases with eyedrops, you know, all 113 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: that sort of thing you know that's entered into uh, 114 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: entered into a substance you know where people can you know, 115 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: drink it or ingest it that way. But this case, Dave, 116 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: is so I'll put it to you this way. This 117 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: thing is covered in intent. I love I love the 118 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: word intention or intent because it really puts you into 119 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: the mind of the person that's doing. This is not 120 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: something you can just kind of manifest out of nowhere, 121 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, you this this requires thought, and the reason 122 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: it caused it requires thought is that it involves the 123 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: single most toxic mushroom on the face of the planet. 124 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: And a night of Floyd's is the actual you know, 125 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: mushrooms are fungus, so that's the actual scientific name of 126 00:07:52,760 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: this particular fungus. But the actual, the actual name that 127 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: it goes by and dig this is the death cap mushroom. 128 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: And it looks like no other species that's out there. 129 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: So this goes to intent, right. I mean, if you're 130 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: a mushroom hunter and I've got friends that do this, 131 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: you're looking at these species that are on the ground, 132 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: this thing is going to stand out like sorth On Man. 133 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: You know, this is the update on the story of 134 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: Aaron Patterson in Australia who use death cap mushrooms as 135 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: a means of trying to kill family members and what 136 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 2: we have now found out. The reason we're doing the 137 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 2: update is because of course there's been a conviction. Not 138 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: of course there's been a conviction, but we would not 139 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: be doing the update had there not been a conviction. 140 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: So we're doing the update. But here's the reason for 141 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: the update. It's not just that she's been convicted. Kind 142 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: of saw that coming. Yeah, we now have information, Joe 143 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: about what the jury did not hear. And when you 144 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: follow cases, I will give you a quick example. Nancy 145 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: Grace labeled tot mom. You remember back in the day 146 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: and the reason she led. The story was covered many 147 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: many times, and the trial was covered full time twenty 148 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: four to seven. There were many things that you and 149 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: I saw as viewers that the jury was not privy to. 150 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: The jury did not hear everything we heard and did 151 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 2: not see everything we saw. The jury was kept away 152 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: from these things. So when the jury says not guilty, 153 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: we're like, how is that even possible? And it's because 154 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: of the information that we now know as part of 155 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: the story that they never knew the same thing here, 156 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: the only difference being that this woman was convicted. She 157 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: has not been sentenced yet, and yet now the gag 158 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: order that was put in place from the beginning has 159 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: been lifted and information is coming out that is fairly dramatic, 160 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: kind of similar to. 161 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: B k and Idaho. 162 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: After the sentencing that the evidence was released, you know 163 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: that we didn't know, well, this is here, and now 164 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: that we're finding out, Joe, it wasn't just the mushrooms 165 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: that was the that was the way she used at 166 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: the end, and I thought, there's something here psychologically, where's Bethany. 167 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: We're Karen because she is death cap mushrooms, you know. 168 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 3: As the Yep. 169 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again you know I hold, I hold, and 170 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: I will remain steadfast in this assessment. Poisoners are a 171 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: different breed. They are you remember we recently covered an 172 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: jet Lyles from back in the fifties. 173 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: Yep. 174 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: And they are a different breed. They weasel their way 175 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: into people's lives where they want something. Now, this is 176 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: a mother, a daughter in law. I don't know how 177 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: you'd really frame it. She's got kids, But what is 178 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: she looking to extract from this action that she's porpetrating. 179 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: You know, with Angela Lyles, it was a money thing, 180 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, because all these people had insurance policies and 181 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: all this. With this lady down there in Australia, I think, 182 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. I think she was turning 183 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: in her pay slips for revenge relative to being in 184 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: a marriage she did not want to be in. It 185 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: was aimed at the not just her husband, but his parents. 186 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: And what's really amazing about this day is that her 187 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: hub husband was a preacher and she was a preacher's wife. 188 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: So Aaron Patterson set out in this preparation of this meal, 189 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: and the preparation is not just her standing in the 190 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: kitchen day. The preparation with this meal is her actually 191 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: slipping off to a very specific location to acquire these mushrooms. 192 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 3: Day. 193 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: That's you know, I talked about intent and purpose and 194 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: this sort of thing, and let me break this down 195 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: to you real quick. Did you know that the death 196 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: cat mushroom is not indigenous to Australia. It's not. Yeah, 197 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: it's not. It's actually it originates out of Europe. Now 198 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: we have them here in the US now so this 199 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: is something that at some point in time someone had 200 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: to import or bring in the spore or whatever it 201 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: was into Australia. Now look, I mean as far as 202 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: deadly things, Australia kind of has raised the bar for 203 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: everybody else. The last thing they needed was something called 204 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: the death cap mushroom. 205 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: I'm just eticized that their flag doesn't have like skull 206 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: and crossbuns, you know. 207 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it says poison like that. Lovely people. I 208 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: love my house. Yeah, but yeah, I got to tell you, 209 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: as Americans, you scare us. All right. I'll just put 210 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: it to you that one. I'm not going swimming. I'm 211 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: not going swimming. I'm checking it under my bed. 212 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 3: Let me ask you quickly, Joe. 213 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: Is there is the death cap mushroom only deadly if 214 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: prepared a certain way? Or is it I'm kicking around mushrooms, 215 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm getting something from my spaghetti and hey, here's one. 216 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: This one's just fine. 217 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: It looks like everything else, and I put it in 218 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: there and I die. 219 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 220 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: I don't know that there's any way that you can 221 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: prepare this thing, okay for individuals without it being you know, 222 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: there's like that I'm going to get this wrong. I 223 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: know that folks out there that are gourmet types. Sure, 224 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: there is a fish that the Japanese prepare and it's 225 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: considered to be a delicacy, but it's also one of 226 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: the most deadly fish you know that's out there. So 227 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: even with that fish, you can still eat it if 228 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: it's prepared correctly. I'm going to take a long look 229 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: at the person that's preparing it. I got to know 230 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: who they are before I would put it in my mouth. Well, 231 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going to put in my mouth. But with 232 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: death cap, I don't know that there's necessarily any way 233 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: that you can prepare a meal utilizing this thing so 234 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: that it's not toxic. 235 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: Man, and that somebody brought it to your country. Somebody 236 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: from outside said, you know what, we don't have this 237 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: kind of mushroom in Australia. Let's get There's no reason 238 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: it's going to kill you if you let's get it. 239 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: Let's let's get it here. 240 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, even even animals. I think the the indigenous fauna 241 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: in Europe, in America, and I would assume in Australia 242 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: have they automatically recognize it and avoid it. So you're 243 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: talking about Aaron Patterson who goes out and yeah, she 244 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: recognized it, all right, but she's picking these things. 245 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: On purpose, on purpose and other way. Puffer vision is 246 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: what you were looking at. I only know that from 247 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: the horrible Charlie's Angels remake that Drew made it back 248 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: in the day. 249 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's another thing. I don't know if it's transdermal 250 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: if it has to be ingested, So wouild she? I'm 251 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: assuming she would have worn glove to pick these things? 252 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it a matter of tell? I know 253 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: that animals avoid it, So you're gonna put your hands 254 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: on this thing? I mean, you're really good. And here's 255 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: another thing that's kind of clever about this. I think 256 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: it's not like arsenic or strict nine or something like that, 257 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: where we've had these discussions about over the years, Dave, 258 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: you and I about well did they scream for it? Well, 259 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: they didn't screen for it. But you can go back 260 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: with other samples and look for it. Who the hell's 261 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: going to look for a death cat mushroom. It's something 262 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: that is exotic. It's almost like one of these things 263 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: that's like the perfect the perfect poison. I think if 264 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: you can get the person to ingest it, and how 265 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: are you going to do that? Not everybody. I know 266 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people, my son included, that won't eat mushrooms. 267 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: There's just something they find repugnantle out them. They want me, 268 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: I'll sit there and I will. I will eat mushrooms. 269 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: You don't eat mushrooms. 270 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 3: I want fast. I would fast before I did that. Yeah, 271 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 3: I don't. 272 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: For instance, I don't eat carrots. Carrots all taste like 273 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: dirt to me. I come from a family of carriers 274 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: once you eat these. But mushrooms, you let me eat mushrooms. 275 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: I'll eat mushrooms all day long. So I don't know. 276 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: I may have been the person that would have ingested 277 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: when oh god, that looks great, but it doesn't look 278 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: great when you actually see the same day. First Off, 279 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: you know how mushrooms have kind of a dome on them, right, 280 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: these things don't have a dome. They're kind of they're flat. 281 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: The top end is not pitched like you think they're flat. 282 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: And here's the other big warning sign here. This thing 283 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: has got this odd green color to it. I mean 284 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: it's like when you see the thing, you know it 285 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: kind of captures. I urge anybody that has not seen 286 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: this thing. Please go out there. Just look it up, 287 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: death cap mushrooms. You'll see precisely. It almost looks like 288 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: if you turn the lights off, it would glow. That's 289 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: it's got that kind of that appearance, of that creepy appearance, 290 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: you know. And there are certain fun guy out there 291 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: that do, in fact glow. I don't think this is 292 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: one of it, but it looks like it has the 293 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: potential to glow. Thing in my mouth that can glow 294 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: all or that's that's this color day she went pick 295 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: these things under the guise of being a mushroom hunter. 296 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: I think from a forensic standpoint, I'd be curious what 297 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: else was in that house that had a level of 298 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: toxicity to it that maybe she had utilized over a 299 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: period of time trying to and again, like like we've 300 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: talked about before, you know, you know, poisoners are stealthy. 301 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: Were there any was there any other thing that you 302 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: would throw it. It's like this dentist recently to spend 303 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: in the news that has now been convicted. He literally 304 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: threw the kitchen sink. And this is a guy with 305 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: medical training, and he was using a combination of heavy 306 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: metals and other things just to throw it at his 307 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: wife put in her protein shake, and she had no 308 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: idea that this was coming. But the story Dave, the 309 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: story of her husband, that is Aaron Patterson's husband, is 310 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: something that will chill you to the bone, and that 311 00:19:44,200 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: on reflection, will make you double over in pain. I 312 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: want you to remember these names. Gail Patterson, she's seventy, 313 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: Don Patterson, he's seventy. These, by the way, are the 314 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: former and I say former in laws of Aaron Patterson. 315 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: Heather Wilkinson, who is the sister of Gail Patterson sixty six. 316 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: She's dead, all right. And then that brings us to 317 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: Pastor Ian Wilkinson, who is the husband of Heather Wilkinson. 318 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: He didn't die, but he's in the hospital awaiting a 319 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: liver transplant, and this particular mushroom attacks specifically the liver Dave. 320 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: There are not too many There are not too many 321 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: things that are more horrific than someone dying of liver failure. 322 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: It is not a quick death. It's something that requires 323 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: intensive medical intervention, and so much so the toxicity of 324 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: this mushroom is such that if you do survive all 325 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: the treatments leading up to a transplant, just going through 326 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: the detoxing those things. There's actually a process where they 327 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: have to detoxify your esophagus and your stomach through the 328 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: treatment plan in order to do this, which absolutely sounds horrific. 329 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: So the thing get you up to the level where 330 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: you can actually receive a new liver if there's one available. 331 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: This seems like a death sentence, Dave. 332 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: It is the death cat mushroom and there you go. 333 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: But when we look at how Aaron Patterson has been 334 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 2: convicted of what she did to this group of family members, 335 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: there was one person that was supposed to be at 336 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: the dinner that was not there, and that was her 337 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: ex husband. Okay, they have children together, so getting together 338 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: and having family meals I say ex husband. They actually 339 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: were not divorced, Joe. They had separated and filed legal paperwork. 340 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: But even now as we're doing this update on the 341 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: show where we're waiting for her to be sentenced, they 342 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 2: still are not divorced legally. So it would not be 343 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: an uncommon thing for them to all get together and 344 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: have a meal. Because of the children you were talking about, 345 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 2: grandchildren and nieces, nephews, those says you know that there 346 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: was a reason for the family to get together and eat. 347 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: What we're doing today is to update you on things 348 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 2: the jury didn't hear, which is the fact that Aaron 349 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: Patterson's husband, right was due at the dinner and she 350 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: prepared this beef wellington with mushroom sauce or gravy, whatever 351 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: you call it, she prepared it for him. 352 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 3: That's who the target was. 353 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: Now the fact that all of his relatives, the people 354 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: he loved dearest in his life, you know, were all 355 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 2: there too. So that was just icing on top for 356 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: Aaron Patterson apparently. But the X didn't show up. He 357 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: did not he bowed out, he found a reason to 358 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 2: not go, and I'm guessing he got kind of anicky 359 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: feeling there's something going on here. So now, yeah, we 360 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: have this information that the jury never got. They came 361 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: to a guilty verdict. But oh my gosh, Joe, what 362 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: did the jury not hear about Aaron Patterson. 363 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: Well, the thing that they didn't hear about Aaron Patterson 364 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: is that her husband, Simon Patterson, he had been how's 365 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: a delicate way to put this, Well, we don't have 366 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: to be delicate. He had been poisoned before and he 367 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: had suspected this over a protracted period time dig this man. 368 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: He had he had had in fact been placed in 369 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: the hospital on at least three different times. She allegedly 370 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: and this is what the jury wound up finding, finding 371 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: out that she tried to murder him with pasta, cookies 372 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: and curry sauce and all of these involved the death 373 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: cap mushroom. And he was in he was in a 374 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: medically imagine this. He was in a medically induced coma 375 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: for sixteen days. 376 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 3: Wow. 377 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: Isn't it weird how your eyes how you can be 378 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: blinded I think by you know, an emotional attachment or 379 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: whatever it is, to those commonalities when you're looking at 380 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: this from an investigative perspective, you know, when we don't 381 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: have a dog in the fight, if we're conducting an investigation, 382 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: we just want to know the truth, right, not why, 383 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: we just want to know the truth. What. Okay, there's 384 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 1: commonality that runs through this. Well, She's always present and 385 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: so when this information comes to the police, I believe 386 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: the investigators in Australia, when you begin to think about 387 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: Simon the husband, there is a history here of him 388 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: being just horribly ill, I mean white on the brink 389 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: of death. We would say one foot, one foot in 390 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: the grave and one foot on banana peel. I mean, 391 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: he's that close, and he's had to be induced into 392 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: a coma. He's had three emergency surgeries, and it's unclear 393 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: as to the nature of each one of these surgeries. However, 394 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 1: I'm suspecting with the toxicity of this mushroom, it's not 395 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 1: a native species, probably not a lot that the medical 396 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: community understands about it. These surgeries, to a certain extent 397 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: have to be exploratory. Imagine that because they're trying to 398 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: understand what they're looking at. It's almost like lifting the 399 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: hood on a car that is malfunctioning and you're trying 400 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: to make a diagnosis about, well, what's causing this rattle 401 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: inside of my car? And those things that you normally 402 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: think of I think as a mechanic where you're trying 403 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: to resolve something. Yeah, that might be part of it, 404 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: but there's a bigger picture here, and it's really hard 405 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: to understand this. But David, I don't know what you 406 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: think about it. I think that he had suspected this 407 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: for some time. That might be one of the reasons 408 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: he was not about to go to that house and 409 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: ingest anything. 410 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 3: I think you're right. We know that. 411 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: Now we're back to the information that the jury never heard, 412 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: and thankfully the jury heard enough to actually come up 413 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 2: with a conviction or what she did. 414 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: But what they didn't here is that. 415 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: Simon the eggs had suffered and he used one example 416 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: in particular. It involved tupperware. Whenever you talk about tupperware, 417 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 2: you know, I'm thinking this was intentional if it was, 418 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: unless it was like leftovers. You know, you use tupperware 419 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 2: for leftovers and eat in the next couple of days, 420 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: you're all good. But if somebody is preparing something in tupperware, yeah, 421 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: you can do a lot with that. And apparently she 422 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: was doing something with beloney and I know that's the 423 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: improper way to say it when you're mixing up with 424 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: penny pasta and all that and making an actual dish bowlonaise. 425 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 2: But anyway, he eats this thing she prepares and this 426 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: is before the death, this is back several. 427 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 3: Years ago, and. 428 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: After eating the food, Simon ended up spending the night 429 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: in the hospital after suffering from vomiting and diarrhea. How 430 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 2: bad is your vomiting and diarrhea that you go to 431 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: the hospital. Think about that for just a minute. How 432 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: many of us have had a bug and we've dealt 433 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 2: with it, you know, for a day or two and 434 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: you're like week, but yeah, no, it's going to pass. 435 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: And this is so bad, it is so intense that 436 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: you're going something is really wrong. As an adult, we 437 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: get to that point you're going, I'm thinking this guy, 438 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: Holy free holies, he must have been in misery. 439 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: Joe. 440 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that it would have been the 441 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: type of gastro intestinal discomfort where he would have been 442 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: doubled over. I think that perhaps perhaps at if he 443 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 1: had died at that moment, tom at his autopsy, you 444 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: would have seen severe inflammation in his stomach and probably 445 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: in his upper intestinal track at that point in time. Wow, 446 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: it's something you would have appreciated. And of course, over 447 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: period tom as they are at the hospital trying to 448 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: resolve it, there will be uh, you know, the body 449 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 1: is going to heal of its own volition and it 450 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: will subside, and so any of those the irritated bowel, 451 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: the irritated stomach, those sorts of things are going to 452 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: dissipate over a period of time, so there won't be 453 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: necessarily you know, your body is going totabilize all of 454 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: this poison. But you have to have the help of 455 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: medical science in order to do this, to facilitate it. Wow, here, 456 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: let me throw this little spine chiller at you real quick. 457 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: Imagine being doubled over, you know, the porcelain throne, throwing 458 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: your guts up, and this grimlin is still in the 459 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: house with you. You know, maybe she's feigning trying to 460 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: comfort him or whatever it is. Drink knowing, yeah, knowing 461 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: good and well that the reason this is happening is 462 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: because of something she's initiated. Yeah, I would say, I 463 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: would say, yeah, the gag order was in place. I 464 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: would say that, you know now that that's been lifted. 465 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: This history of this just oh and this was not 466 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: a one off event, Dave. 467 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: No, it happened again. 468 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: And you mentioned Curry when we started, and it was 469 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: the first time was the Boloney penny pasta. But then 470 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: again again those symptoms are so bad. He goes to 471 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: the hospital with vomiting and diarrhea, recovers and then the 472 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: next time, boom, it's chicken this time, Joe, And this 473 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: is what he said. This is this is the pre 474 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: trial stuff that jury didn't hear A direct quote. We 475 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: had a chicken korma curry on the second night. While 476 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 2: Aaron was preparing food, I was getting the fire going, 477 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: so I didn't watch her prepare it. He ends up 478 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: with the same symptoms diarrhea, vomiting. And I'm gonna be honest, Joe. 479 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: One time I had a bad reaction to the food. 480 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. Yeah, happens the second time. The 481 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: second time I touch your food and I end up 482 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: in the toilet, I'm calling nine to one one headed 483 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: at the hospital and saying, lock her up. 484 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: Well, love is blond man. And you never know, uh, 485 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: you never know if the you know, if the forces 486 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: of evil have marshaled their forces on your border. At 487 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: this point in time, you don't suspect that, you know, 488 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: who actually goes through their life thinking, oh, yeah, my 489 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: wife is trying to murder me. And it's not until 490 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: we have I think we have these other souls that 491 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: have passed on and this horrific, this is a this 492 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: is a it's you know, we used to term masker 493 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: a lot and most of the I think most people 494 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: think about a masker is blood letting. And you know, again, 495 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: I asked folks to return back to we did an 496 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: episode recently on Jonestown and that was a massacre. And 497 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: yet there were there were people that died in that event, 498 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: that died as a result of gunshot wounds and those 499 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: sorts of things. But you know, a masker can take place, 500 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: I think, you know, by introducing this toxin into an environment. 501 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: Here's another piece that I was reflecting in my mind 502 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: that I forgot to say. Those kids were in the 503 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: house that night that this happened. She prepared a separate 504 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: meal for them. Yeah, there you got. I mean, talk 505 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: about intent, So you're going to prepare We weren't the 506 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: kids eating from the same dish as all of the adults. 507 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: And you can say, oh, well, they don't like mushrooms, 508 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: they don't like this, they don't like that. I can't 509 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: Actually that's how she said, Yeah, yeah, they don't like them. 510 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: Boy did she she saw utility in them? Dave. This 511 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: is just mind blowing that this woman could massacre the 512 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: family almost well, and you've still got another guy that 513 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: is so ill he's going to require a liver transplant. 514 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: I remember talking about about this the first time. I'm 515 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: wondering if the husband at this point, and this is 516 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: not really revealed in the stuff that was released other 517 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: than psychological scarring. I wonder, I wonder if he's going 518 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: to have long term impacts, you know, regarding this, these 519 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: things that he has endured at her hand, just physically, 520 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, is it? You know, what's what's going to 521 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: be your prognosis, you know, moving out into the future. 522 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what that might be, 523 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: but it would be interesting. In these cases. I have 524 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: to say, Dave, these three cases just so I can 525 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: put this, put this in this framework. These three cases 526 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: are the people that died. This is the stuff of 527 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: forensic medical journals. Here, these three cases are going to 528 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: be something that in our world are going to be 529 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: studied scientifically. I submit to you that the tissue samples 530 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: alone will be presented at forensic seminars and meetings over 531 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: the next years where they'll actually take a blown up 532 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: image of a slide that say has come from the 533 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: upper and lower intestine, probably the stomach, the liver, and 534 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: they'll begin to describe on the screen this is what 535 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: they're seeing. And there will be you go to a 536 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: lot of these seminars and there are people that I've 537 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: come across, people that are just kind of sleeping in 538 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: the back. This will be one of those cases, or 539 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: these cases will be things where you will have knowledgeable 540 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: forensic scientists that will actually lean in. They're going to 541 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: lean in and they're going to really observe this and 542 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: try to understand it. And it's terrifying because you know, 543 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: as in the forensic world things you're always worried about 544 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: is that you're missing something. You're missing something, And my 545 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: Lord Dave, this case in and of itself is it 546 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: would be really easy to miss something. And then how 547 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: do you know that this perpetrator is still not out there? 548 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: And as it suns out, you know she was for 549 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: a period of time, you know, something kind of snapped 550 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: off real quick. 551 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, something else we found out Joe during the Again 552 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: the things that jury did not hear. Simon actually the 553 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 2: X went further in describing other situations. 554 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 3: It wasn't just a once or twice. 555 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 2: There were several times where he had a bad reaction 556 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 2: to the food that now he's playing back in his head. 557 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 2: You know, that went on over different periods of time. 558 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: But one thing in particular that came out. He actually 559 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: goes to a friend of his who was a medical 560 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 2: doctor and was talking about the symptoms and things like 561 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 2: that and was he having some kind of food allergy? 562 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 2: Was there's something going on, you know, because things change 563 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: as we get older. Things that we might not have 564 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 2: been allergic to as a child were allergic to as 565 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 2: an adult, and vice versa. But the doctor said, you 566 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 2: need to keep a journal, you know, keep a food 567 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 2: journal of what you're doing in document when you know 568 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 2: you have these issues, maybe we can pinpoint it. And 569 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: being a medical doctor, you know, he was watching this. 570 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 2: But now we find out that when Simon went back 571 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 2: to the doctor and was talking to him that they 572 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 2: had a discussion about how Aaron Patterson, now convicted, actually 573 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 2: claimed that Simon's daughter had made a batch of cookies 574 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 2: for him and he kept asking she kept asking him, 575 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 2: have you tried the cookies yet? Have you tried the 576 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: cookies yet? And I'm gonna be honest, man, you asked 577 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 2: me once. I understand that you asked me two or 578 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 2: three times. I ain't touching those things, you know, And 579 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 2: so they actually it's not known, you know, what Aaron 580 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 2: had been doing, but investigators suspect that there was rat 581 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 2: poison in at least one occasion and probably in these 582 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 2: cookies that he never ate. And you know, it's just 583 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 2: interesting that you think, what did she put in those 584 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 2: that he didn't eat? 585 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 3: I mean, it just buggles the mind. And I can't imagine. 586 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: You know, they're taking and I say they, I mean 587 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: her taking a specific taking a shotgun approach to this thing. Okay, 588 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: where okay, this doesn't work, let me try this. And 589 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: it might not necessarily be the toxin that's been introduced. 590 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: It might be the way it's being introduced, you know, 591 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: because look, I've had people that have made cookies. Dude, 592 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: I'll be the first one to raise my hands say 593 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: I love cookies. I mean, I'd be insane not to 594 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: I love cookies and I'm going to gobble them down. 595 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: But I've had instances where cookies have been provided for 596 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 1: me and I've and worked cooked specifically for me, and 597 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to eat them. All Right, 598 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: it all depends on the delivery mechanism for this. When 599 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: I think that when you look at this, and you 600 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: look at it from the perspective of what's fascinating to 601 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: me is that most of the time, with the death cap, 602 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: you've got this kind of long progression. It's not long. 603 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: It's like a period of about forty eight hours, saying 604 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 1: you immediate onset, you're going to have nausea and vomiting. 605 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't think there's really delirium, but you're disoriented, that 606 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: sort of thing. And it's at that point in time 607 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 1: that this thing goes into kind of this phase where 608 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of a latent phase. And that's after and 609 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 1: Layton just means it kind of sits there, right, so 610 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: you know how you were saying that, you know he 611 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: had gone to the hospital as a result of vomiting 612 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: that first time and it kind of passed. Well, you 613 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: go into a latent phase after that, and that can 614 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: be and it's kind of broad. It could be for 615 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: twelve to thirty six hours. Wo when that wave begins 616 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: to pass and silently in the background, the toxins are 617 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: still there and now they're being taken up. And what 618 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: are they attacking. Well, they've moved on at this point 619 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: from attacking the gastro intestinal system. Now they're hammering on 620 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: the kidneys and the liver. This is almost a perfect 621 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: a perfect toxin if you think about it, because if 622 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: you're being treated with standard medical course, the clinicians say, okay, 623 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: we got and passed it. We got passed it. He's 624 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: going to be fine. And then it kind of goes 625 00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: into this mode of where symptomology disappears. All the while background, 626 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: your kidneys are being beginning to shut down, your liver 627 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: is failing. They're looking at this person on bed, can 628 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: you imagine, and they're starting to turn yellow because they're jaundiced, 629 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: and you know, you're a clinician thinking where am I 630 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: going to go? 631 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 3: Now? 632 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: You know what the how does this happen? Because I 633 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, I think that they they're clearing at this 634 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: point in time, and then once they hit that phase 635 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: after the latent phase, it's at that point in time 636 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,240 Speaker 1: that the airplane's flown into the side of the mountain. 637 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: At that point, there's no reasonable recovery except in certain 638 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: cases where this poor soul, this other poor soul is 639 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: you know, needs a liver. Now, if you can stem 640 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: it through the clinical course and you recognize it soon enough, 641 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to save the liver. 642 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: You're not going to be able. And I submit to you, 643 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: I think that, And this is why I'm really concerned 644 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: about the husband. What's going to be his prognosis because 645 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: I think that it attacks the liver and the kidneys. 646 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: Will he present down the road day where he's going 647 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: to need dialysis in his later years. This is what's 648 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: a yeah, And maybe it might it might be. It's hard, 649 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to really know, Dave, but just think about 650 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: it might be where years down the road from now. 651 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: He's kind of stabilized at this point, but his his 652 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: organs have been compromised to the point where, say, if 653 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 1: he had not been exposed to it, otherwise it would 654 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: be a survivable event. But now you might be. And 655 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: this is this is her. Let this sink in. Just 656 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,280 Speaker 1: this is her reaching through the bars of their cell 657 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: metaphorically of course, and still inflicting this pain on this man. 658 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: The proposition is that he might have liver failure in 659 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: the few future, He's going to have kidney failure in 660 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: the future, and not to mention all the other peripheral 661 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: toxic things that might manifest with this. I don't know. 662 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the folks down in Australia, this 663 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: thing popped onto our radar. I remember when we did it. 664 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,959 Speaker 1: It popped onto our radar and it made a big 665 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 1: splash because it was so incredibly bizarre that you and 666 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: I had never heard of this, we'd never seen it. 667 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: I told you I had never worked a case like 668 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: this before. I worked a case of poisonings. But Dave, 669 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: this is something that's naturally occurring, you know, out there 670 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 1: in the woods. You know, you can go and pluck 671 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: these things and bring them in, chop them up and 672 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: render them down and create a gravy out of them, 673 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: or whatever it is you're going to use, or maybe 674 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 1: slice and dice these things and lay them, you know, 675 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: all over this beautiful creation. And people are going to 676 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: stick this in their mouth. And it doesn't matter how 677 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: much heat you subjected to in the oven, it's still 678 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: going to be toxic, all right. And she she had 679 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: an understanding of this, I think investigatively, what would be fascinating. 680 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: Did she go onto an open source, an open source 681 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: on the internet, what could I use and suddenly stumbles 682 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: upon stumbles upon, you know, the mushroom. It's no different 683 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: than of course, they don't have many firearms down in 684 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: Australia anymore, but it's kind of like, what weapon do 685 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: I need to choose? Am I can use a thirty 686 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: eight caliber revolver or am I going to use you know, 687 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 1: I don't know an M four five point five six, 688 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: you know what, it's the same thing. You know, I'd 689 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: be interested to know if she had a browser history, 690 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: if they grabbed grabbed that and began to look through 691 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: it for her to kind of, you know, understand what's 692 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: going to be the best, the best solution for these 693 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: albums that she has in her life. And of course 694 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: she felt as though that it was going to be 695 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: killing the entire family. 696 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 3: Dave, I do have a tip for you. 697 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 2: During the investigation, they were doing digital forensics on phones, computers, 698 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 2: things like that, and what they did find is that 699 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 2: she searched for pictures of death cap mushrooms so that 700 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 2: she could identify them, obviously because she went and take 701 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 2: them herself. So yeah, you've you've got that. And that happened, 702 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 2: of course before she cooked the meal. So yeah, you 703 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 2: talking about intent, there's your intent right there there is. 704 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: Her argument is, Oh, you don't understand I'm just interested 705 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: in mushrooms. You know, how many other things did you 706 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: search for in the you know, in this in this 707 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: in this family specifically bizarre case. I look, I you know, 708 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: I hope for the best, for this family, for this man, 709 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: the other gentleman that has suffered such such pain in 710 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 1: that initial attack. There's nothing that can ever assuage the 711 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: pain of what he's been through, and certainly the others 712 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: involved in this. These children are going to get past, 713 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: or have the ability to get past, because this is 714 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: something they will be scarred with for the rest of 715 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,720 Speaker 1: their life. I'll put it to you this way. Every 716 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: time in the future that fork goes into food and 717 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: that's lifted to their lips, that memory of what their 718 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: mama and their wife had done will always linger in 719 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: the background. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Backs.