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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: We're back with Graham Phillips. The new book is The

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Speaker 2: Original Zodiac What Ancient Astrology reveals about you. And we're

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Speaker 2: talking about a zodiac that goes back to Mesopotamia, ancient

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Speaker 2: Mesopotamia with eighteen signs, not twelve eighteen. And Graham, we

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Speaker 2: were talking before the break. You utilized AI to conduct

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Speaker 2: a comprehensive personality survey. You chose celebrities because obviously they

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Speaker 2: have an online profile, and you were trying to determine

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Speaker 2: what traits might be shared by those born in each

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Speaker 2: sign of the original zodiac. You know, their likes, their dislikes,

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Speaker 2: their habits, their employment, health information, any pertinent aspects of

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Speaker 2: their lives and identities. What did you find? So, for example,

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Speaker 2: let's start with the zodiac sign the spike, and you

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Speaker 2: mentioned a great actor, Gary Aldham. All of them it

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Speaker 2: was born under the sign of a spider. Tell me

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Speaker 2: more about that.

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing about the spider is you can see

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Speaker 3: which What I found was fascinating is I gradually did

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Speaker 3: this was how many attributes of the people who were

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Speaker 3: born at that time seem to tie up with a spider,

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Speaker 3: or at least why you would see why the ancients

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Speaker 3: might decide to use a spider as the symbol for

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Speaker 3: people who actually were born at that time and they

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Speaker 3: had spiderlight characteristics as they saw them. For example, the

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Speaker 3: spider is a solitary creature, unlike say, insects like bees

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Speaker 3: and termites and wasps, they don't live in big communities.

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Speaker 3: They use did a solitary creature. So I found that

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Speaker 3: people who were born in that particular sign, and incidentally,

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Speaker 3: it goes from March twenty first April ninth, they tended

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Speaker 3: to be. It wasn't that they were solitary, and they were.

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Speaker 3: Some of them in some cases might prefer to spend

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Speaker 3: more time alone, but a lot of them worked better alone.

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Speaker 3: They could perform or work with others, but they did

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Speaker 3: their best work and planning when alone undisturbed a lot

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Speaker 3: of them. Incidentally, I found, and when I was checking

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Speaker 3: people who are famous, that that the actual online the

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Speaker 3: AI survey came up with. I then checked it against

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Speaker 3: and started doing some surveys of people I knew and

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Speaker 3: met people who weren't famous, and found that some of

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Speaker 3: these characteristics tied with them too, and this sort of

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Speaker 3: a lot of them said, no, when I work best,

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Speaker 3: than other signs I found. So there's one aspect. Another

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Speaker 3: thing about the spider is that it's a a a

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Speaker 3: current strange creature, and it seems to be or at

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Speaker 3: least would have done to the people of the past,

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Speaker 3: as creative. It makes webs, and there's so many different

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Speaker 3: types of webs that spiders, different types of spiders make.

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Speaker 3: They're crafty, they're clever, they're cunning and creative. So I

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Speaker 3: found that it was strange how many creative people, particularly

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Speaker 3: quite you know, exceptionally creative people, were born in the

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Speaker 3: sign of the spider. So that's how that one went.

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Speaker 3: I mean here, just I mean, we've got we've got

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Speaker 3: Russell Crowe, Eddie Murphy, Lady Gaga, Diana. They all seem

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Speaker 3: to be performers of different types, and of course you

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Speaker 3: mentioned Gary Oldman, and they are people who bear quite

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Speaker 3: a lot of aspects in common with a spider in

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Speaker 3: as much as a symbolic form.

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Speaker 2: Give us another ancient astrological sign. In some of its

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Speaker 2: characteristics and then who and who was born under that sign.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here we go, let's go for the swan. That's

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Speaker 3: when we don't get in the modern zodiac. Now, the swan.

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Speaker 3: I've chosen that one because that's when I'm born in

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Speaker 3: the twentieth of September. Now that is kind of Virgo

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Speaker 3: things to choose. Why swans would represent people born at

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Speaker 3: that time, because people born at that time are quite protective.

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Speaker 3: They're more protective of other people than say, other signs.

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Speaker 3: And so I found that people who were born in

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Speaker 3: if somebody else helps me out start something, or I

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Speaker 3: suddenly see something in the news and that gives me

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Speaker 3: an idea time airborne as it were, you know, I'm fine,

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Speaker 3: I'm great at it. And I mean some famous people

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Speaker 3: born under the Swan sign, Okay, Marco Polo, a great explorer.

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Speaker 3: and once that happened, it flowed. So that's the Swan

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Speaker 2: Ah, all right, now, if you'll permit me to be

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Speaker 2: a little self indulgent, what about I was born January twelve?

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Speaker 2: What sign is that? According to the You.

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Speaker 3: Weary twelve you are a a fish. It's sort of

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Speaker 3: in the right rough area of sort of where Pieces was,

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Speaker 3: and you can see why perhaps later on if prices

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Speaker 3: in that area. I don't know, Actually, I'm just I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not sure I would be a Capricorn. I'm a capricorn

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Speaker 3: Okay, right, but this is a single fish, not like

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Speaker 3: two fish like pieces, And no that I think that's

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Speaker 3: somewhere else in the calendar. Anyway, I've spent so much

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Speaker 3: time investigating the eighteen design that I've almost forgotten what

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Speaker 3: the original twelve which the Greek twelve ones were. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: what basically one of the most defining traits of the

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Speaker 3: fish is an empathy. Now we'd say, well, why would

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Speaker 3: have a fish be associated with empathy? That in other words,

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Speaker 3: I'm not just talking about somebody being necessarily share feelings

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Speaker 3: be almost sometimes people would say they're telepathic. They're very

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Speaker 3: good at reading situations. Now quite why, you know, they

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Speaker 3: They're very they're empathic. And you'd say, well, why why

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Speaker 3: we know from Babylonian records that the fish was considered

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Speaker 3: to be a sign of mystical power, as a sign

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Speaker 3: of telepathy, or they didn't call it that. And I

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Speaker 3: and depending on which way it curled off. It's obviously

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Speaker 3: basically you're talking about empathic people, people who could even

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Speaker 3: be considered psychic. Here's some famous people people. There's also

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Speaker 3: people around them will say, nah, that's that's never going

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Speaker 3: to work, but they go on and it works. Stanley,

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Speaker 3: there's somebody who's born under the fish sign. He came

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Speaker 2: Interesting and.

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Speaker 3: Stephen Hawking and Elvis Presley, I'm humble truck driver.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The empathy, I don't know. I mean, I feel a

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Speaker 2: great deal of empathy. It's sometimes to the point where

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Speaker 2: not a good thing necessarily. But I don't know about

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Speaker 3: When I say telepathy, I mean they considered it telepathy

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Speaker 2: Up, right, right. So with the ancient Greeks, and there

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Speaker 2: the radiation of the spheres or the radionics of the spheres.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the interesting thing. I mean, astrologers for

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Speaker 3: native astrology. Basically when you're born and what stars areware

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Speaker 3: and you know, influences your personality and characteristics. Now, this

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Speaker 3: But to astrologers, where the moon happens to fall when

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Speaker 3: And that's the kind of astrology that predicts what's going

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Speaker 3: are so far away, you know, light years ago, they

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Speaker 3: can't be affect It's not going to matter where they

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Speaker 3: happened to be when you were born. But they're looking

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Speaker 3: at it the wrong way. As I'd mentioned before, the

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Speaker 3: ancients when they worked out what star signs were, they

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Speaker 3: at that time of the year after the characteristics that

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Speaker 3: look at it that way, there has been scientific research

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Speaker 3: done for other reasons not looking into astrology, but that

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Speaker 3: comes out with information that says, wow, that means that

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Speaker 3: some kind of native astrology when you're born could really

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Speaker 3: affect you. Now, back in twenty twenty one in Israel,

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Speaker 3: by scientists to try and find out what different hormones

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Speaker 3: the body secrety what different changes physiological changes happened to

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Speaker 3: humans throughout the year. Now we know that all animals

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Speaker 3: are affected by the seasons. They have to hibernate at

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Speaker 3: be more effective. They and then stay with plants and

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Speaker 3: anything trees shed their leaves. Now, it's this research showed

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Speaker 3: so many different hormonal changes in humans that basically seemed

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Speaker 3: We had to be prepared for different seasons and different

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Speaker 3: hormonal changes. And now this research suggested that pregnant women

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Speaker 3: during periods of time. Somebody who's pregnant for nine months

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Speaker 3: they starting at Christmas Day, are going to have different

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Speaker 3: hormone changes during that time to somebody who say, is

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Speaker 2: In other words, the time of year affects the chemistry,

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Speaker 2: which affects fetal development.

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Speaker 3: That's it. So there is possible evidence that it works.

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Speaker 2: But again it's what's happening environmentally here on Earth during

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Speaker 2: the seasons, which is reflected by the procession of the

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Speaker 2: of the different constellations.

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Speaker 3: It just so happens to coincide precisely. But the thing

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Speaker 3: about what I've done now, which is different. I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna have a go at anybody else's zodix, you know,

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Speaker 3: or whether they still work or not. The Greek zodiac

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Speaker 3: isn't perhaps old enough to be that badly affected, but

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Speaker 3: a twelve thousand year olds odi act like this would be.

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Speaker 3: But remember I've done these signs interpret them now. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the signs were still in the same place. What I've

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Speaker 3: done is that somebody who's today born between March twenty

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Speaker 3: the research has been looking at people alive today, and

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Speaker 3: so that's why it might be perhaps more accurate.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. So personality shaped by genetics, an environment or timing

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Speaker 2: in the womb, which is again in line with the

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Speaker 2: various seasons again and then reflected in the heavens. Absolutely fascinating.

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