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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Channel the Room, joined by Tyler Stafford and Josh

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Speaker 1: Reddick two days before the winter meetings officially begin in Orlando,

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Speaker 1: or Florida. We're gonna do, We're gonna we asked for

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Speaker 1: or I did. I went on the I went on

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Speaker 1: the all important Crush City Territory Twitter account and asked

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Speaker 1: for questions from you guys because, quite frankly, like, I

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Speaker 1: think we've discussed everything that can be discussed about what

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Speaker 1: the astros need, what they should do, how they're thinking.

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Speaker 1: I think we've done all that. We've done all that

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Speaker 1: organically enough. I was just kind of curious as to

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Speaker 1: what you, the fans and the listeners were thinking about

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Speaker 1: what you wanted answered.

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Speaker 2: But before that, real quick.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry you have access to the crush City Territory account.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know we had that.

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Speaker 2: That was the first time I had ever logged into it.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I got the log in like two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: and like I have never used That was the first

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Speaker 1: time I'd never logged into it. So yeah, I technically

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Speaker 1: burner account now yeah, for.

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Speaker 2: Sure, right before that.

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Speaker 1: Real quick, this was not planned, but I think, Josh,

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Speaker 1: I think you'd be able to speak on this fine.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday at the Winter Meetings, the Contemporary Era Committee

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Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame will meet.

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Speaker 2: It's a sixteen member committee.

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Speaker 1: And they will vote on the ballots that are on

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Speaker 1: They will vote on the players that are on this

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Speaker 1: year's eras ballot for.

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Speaker 2: Induction of the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: This is a ballot of players that includes Barry Bonds,

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Speaker 1: Roger Clemens, Carlos Delgado, Jeff Kent, Don Mattingly, Dale Murphy,

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Speaker 1: Gary Sheffield, and Fernando Valenzuela. They're on the Contemporary Baseball

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Speaker 1: Era player ballot. They will need twelve of sixteen votes,

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Speaker 1: so seventy five percent or more. They will need twelve

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Speaker 1: of the sixteen people on this panel to vote for

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Speaker 1: them to get inclusion of the Hall of Fame. I

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Speaker 1: think Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are obviously the headliners

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Speaker 1: there some other names stood out, Don Mattingly obviously, fernend

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Speaker 1: of Alenzuela for what he did til Murphy deal.

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Speaker 4: Murphy, Gosh, he's so underrated. Go look his numbers up

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Speaker 4: he's so inderrated.

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Speaker 3: Those all sound like Hall of famers to me, what

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Speaker 3: are you doing?

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Speaker 5: I'm with you to I was saying all of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, okay, Josh, as a Georgia boy, as someone

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Speaker 1: that grew up probably watching or hearing about Dale Murphy,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have thoughts about him.

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Speaker 2: But let's narrow it to.

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Speaker 1: Maybe what the bigger discussion will be about, and that's

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Speaker 1: Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Where do you I don't

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Speaker 1: think I've ever asked you this, Josh, where do you

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Speaker 1: stand on those two guys? And do you think that,

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Speaker 1: certainly on the field, they merit inclusion of the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. And I can't pretend to know what these

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Speaker 1: sixteen voters will think when they meet on Sunday, But

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Speaker 1: what do you think about Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens

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Speaker 1: and their latest attempt to get into the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 5: Oh? They deserve to be in one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Barry Bonds was the best, but the best

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Speaker 4: player we've seen in a very very long time, and

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Speaker 4: that's you know, obviously show Otani what he does, but

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Speaker 4: I mean nothing is compared to what Barry Bonds has

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Speaker 4: been able to do in this sport much less for

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Speaker 4: Roger Clemens.

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Speaker 5: I mean you look at everything he's done with.

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Speaker 4: You know, seven Cy youngs I think was Barry was

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Speaker 4: seven MVPs for Barry right, which obviously is the most

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Speaker 4: of all time. And just I mean there's numbers. Everything

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Speaker 4: you hear about Barry bonds, Like you take away his

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Speaker 4: seven hundred plus home runs, he's still like above three

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Speaker 4: hundred hitter. His OBP is still over like four hundred.

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Speaker 4: Like his numbers don't really effectively change when you take

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Speaker 5: And just the dominance that I got.

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Speaker 4: This guy had six hundred plus plate appearances a year

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Speaker 4: and walk two hundred times. It's like what, Yeah, like

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Speaker 4: nobody does that. And then you think about the other

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Speaker 4: you know, seventy times that he goes up to the plate,

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Speaker 5: Just a guy who had all kinds of domination, control

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Speaker 4: And you know, even before he stepped in the box,

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Speaker 4: many guys like that that even come even coming in

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Speaker 3: Look, did they get suspended for anything? Did they did

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Speaker 3: they break a rule that got there? Like that's what

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Speaker 3: baseball was at the time, And it is a museum.

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Speaker 3: It's not like, you know, getting sent into heaven, right,

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Speaker 3: Like it's not like some moral like did they break

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Speaker 3: a rule?

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Speaker 2: Nope?

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a gray area, right, but no, a

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Speaker 3: bunch of other people did too, And you know, that's

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Speaker 3: what baseball looks like at the time. But like, look,

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Speaker 3: there's there's people in there from the forties and fifties

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Speaker 3: that are also like detestable, awful, morally unsound people, yep,

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Speaker 3: And it's like it's a baseball museum. What did they

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Speaker 3: do in baseball? You know? I think the line for

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Speaker 3: I get why you wouldn't want Pete Roads in just

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Speaker 3: because like, no.

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Speaker 5: You can't. Peter Rose deserves to be it as well.

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Speaker 5: The man.

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Speaker 3: Never I'm saying that one I can see an argument for.

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Speaker 3: I don't see an argument for Bonds and Clemens and

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Speaker 3: any of the steroids are because then at that point

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Speaker 3: it's like, are we just gonna pretend that error just

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Speaker 3: didn't happen. Like what are we doing?

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's people in the Hall of Fame that

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Speaker 4: have been tied to it already anyway, but just because

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Speaker 4: they're not Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds, we're eliminating, like

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Speaker 4: we're not worried about it.

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Speaker 5: Like you know, there's the but Rafael Palmaro is one

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Speaker 1: Right he's not in, but he's not in yet, but

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Speaker 3: He should be. Everybody is trying to people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like listen, listen, close everyone, there are

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Speaker 1: people in the Hall of Fame that did steroids. You

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Speaker 1: may not know it, may not have ever tested positive,

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Speaker 1: but there are people in the Hall of Fame that

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Speaker 1: took steroids. I can almost guarantee it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I could guarantee you. But we don't name names

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Speaker 4: in here because that's what snitches do.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of you, had quite the day the other day, John.

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Speaker 5: I've had a great week. Had a great week.

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Speaker 4: Did I did that Baseballer Show probably about two months ago,

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Speaker 4: and it's finally coming to fruition and I think that's

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Speaker 4: just went off. Man, it was fun. We did talk

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Speaker 4: astros for a little bit. But yeah, it was fun

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Speaker 4: stuff that needed to be said and needed to be heard.

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Speaker 4: So you know this, this guy didn't save baseball. He

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Speaker 4: was just as down and dirty as most of us were.

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Speaker 5: So it needs to be said.

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Speaker 1: For those curious about the members of the voting committee,

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Speaker 1: the sixteen member the sixteen people that will vote, I

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Speaker 1: think it's a good mix of people. Fergie Jenkins, Jim Cott,

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Speaker 1: Juan marischal Tony Perez, Ozzie Smith, Alan Trammel, Robin Yeut,

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Speaker 1: Brewers owner Mark Attanasio, Doug Melvin who works for the Brewers,

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Speaker 1: Angels owner Artie Moreno, kem Ing, the former Marlins, GM,

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Speaker 1: Tony Reagan's and Terry Ryan. And then three media members

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Speaker 1: Steve Hurt and the athletics Tyler Kepner and Jason Stark.

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Speaker 1: So a good mix of you know, they'll get the

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Speaker 1: player's thoughts, they'll get the ownership classes thoughts, and they'll

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Speaker 1: get the journalist's thoughts.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I still don't think Bonds and Clemens will get the

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Speaker 1: seventy they need twelve of sixteen. I think some body

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Speaker 1: or some people will get elected from this election. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Don Mattingly, maybe Dale Murphy. But I think it'd be

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Speaker 1: tough for Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, just given everything

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Speaker 1: and how polarizing it is. I think eventually one day

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Speaker 1: they will end up there posthumiously.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps they wait till they're gun's.

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Speaker 4: Then that's sad because it's not even it's not the

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. It's a big building with great players

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Speaker 5: So yeah, and it sucks. Is a magical place.

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Speaker 3: We'll make our own separate museum for like, here's what

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Speaker 3: baseball looked like for twenty years that for some reason

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Speaker 3: we just don't talk about. We'll build it.

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Speaker 4: Build it at the end of it, at the end

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Speaker 4: of the street with the Hall of Fames on. You know,

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Speaker 4: they're they're too they were too good to be in

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Speaker 4: the Hall of pretty Good, the prestigious Hall are pretty Good.

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Speaker 4: That yours truly was in the first class in.

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Speaker 1: Son Josh Reddick, first ballot, Hall of pretty Good outfielder,

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Speaker 1: congratulations third And I think has Mike gotten in that yet?

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Speaker 2: You got to hold that over Michael Brantley.

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Speaker 5: Mike Brandley, his his war was too high to be

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Speaker 4: So no, no, there's a there's a there's a war.

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Speaker 4: I think it's like thirty six and a half is

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Speaker 5: I would think Mike's higher than that because I was.

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Speaker 1: According to Baseball Reference, he was thirty four point one

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Speaker 5: Ooh ooh maybe not, maybe not. I have to double

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's if he should be unanimously if if

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Speaker 4: it is, if it isn't his case, unless unless defensive

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Speaker 3: Then scrubs like you and has got to be in

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Speaker 5: I was the highest paid platoon player in the history

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Speaker 4: If I can get in it, Michael Bradley can sure

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Speaker 4: walk into it, Well.

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Speaker 2: We gotta get That's our next.

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Speaker 1: That's our next order of business, getting Mic into the

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Speaker 3: but the way the roster's currently constructed, Altwo is gonna

439
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 3: have to play second base, you know, more than they

440
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 3: would like to until they can find somebody to do that. Becase,

441
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 3: even going into last year, they thought that they had

442
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: found a solution of you know, getting Brendan Rodgers and

443
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 3: having Dubon and you know, all these other pieces in

444
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 3: place and maybe Bryce Matthews is here or whatever, and

445
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: that just didn't materialize. Like al two be still had

446
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 3: to play fifty sixty games at second base just to

447
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 3: put a lineup together, and even if you don't want

448
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: him to play there, the flexibility that altwo A has

449
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: to play any other position just makes it more likely

450
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 3: that that Alvarez is going to be the one that

451
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: plays more games in left field because he literally cannot

452
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,479
Speaker 3: play anywhere else other than left field. You can always

453
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 3: sneak a game in with al two by at second,

454
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 3: even if it's fifteen twenty a year, that's gonna mean

455
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 3: Alvarez plays more in left field.

456
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 4: And every time Hunter Brown pitches and there's eight to

457
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Speaker 4: ten strikeouts.

458
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah no, they're not letting him play anywhere near an

459
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 3: infield with Hunter Brown on the mound. But yeah, I mean, look,

460
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: right now, your lineup is Alvarez and left field, al

461
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: Twove at second, and Parades at DH. Again, I know

462
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 3: that's not what it's going to be when you get there,

463
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 3: but that's what it is right now. So that I mean,

464
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 3: I would I would certainly assume Alvarez would play a

465
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 3: little bit more.

466
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to ask themselves, and this

467
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: may be this may be a crass way of putting it,

468
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: but like, which player do they want to basically take

469
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: the training wheels off of, Like do you want, like,

470
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: which player do you want to be less protective of?

471
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Speaker 2: You're of two.

472
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Speaker 1: Players that you're paying in a good amount of money

473
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: astronomical an astronomical amount in Astro's terms, an astronomical amount

474
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Speaker 1: of money to both al Tuove and Alvarez, two players

475
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: that you have invested in as franchise type cornerstones. Altuove

476
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: is certainly one. Alvarez has the contract and the prestige

477
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: to be a franchise corner So, like, which player are

478
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: you saying, all right, like we've got to just let

479
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: him play? Is it the thirty six year old Altuve

480
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: who will do anything for the team and you know

481
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: he'll be available, you know you can get him out there,

482
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: but you know all of his value is tied to

483
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: his bat at this point. Or is it Alvarez who

484
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: is younger, who has had injury history before, but none

485
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: of his injuries have come as a result of him

486
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: playing defense, Like it's been hand it's been soft tissue stuff.

487
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: As long as anyone hides a home plate out in

488
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: left field, he should be fine.

489
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Speaker 1: So I think that's an interesting question, Josh, Like which

490
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: of those two players. Do they have to make a

491
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: decision of, like, all right, we've got to take the

492
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: proverbial training wheels off of one of these two guys

493
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Speaker 1: and just let them go.

494
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has to be the younger, You're done.

495
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's gonna have less room for failure and

496
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 4: you know, getting healthy, I guess would be the so

497
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Speaker 4: to speak.

498
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 5: But who knows.

499
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 4: This guy getting into a routine of playing outfield and

500
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 4: getting his body moving instead of happening to go up

501
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 4: and down so much, could be a beneficial for him

502
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 4: as a player. That could, you know, be out there

503
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 4: for half the games of the season and then figure

504
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 4: out what he needs to do. Playing more isn't always

505
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 4: a bad thing. When you're out there constantly moving, constantly thinking,

506
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 4: you just you.

507
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 5: Stay locked in a lot better than you would DH.

508
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 5: That's you know, that's that's my perspective.

509
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: I hated DH, but you know it just it just

510
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: seemed like my body was more fluid and more in

511
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 4: motion and better suited for constant movie day in and

512
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 4: day out.

513
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: All right, Tyler answered Joshua's other question.

514
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: HM, I appreciate just knowing that Brian Reagan and Jim

515
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: Gaffigan have made it and without me ever saying that,

516
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: because you were absolutely correct. I think those are the

517
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: first two comedians I ever saw. I used to watch

518
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: them on.

519
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: Oh they're comedians. I thought they were musicians.

520
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: Up comedians.

521
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 4: I was just going with what I was already just

522
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 4: saying what I wasn't saying anything.

523
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 5: I already do. These guys work.

524
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 3: Brian Reagan just uh classic, like.

525
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: Oh, I know who Jim Gaffigan is. Okay, now that

526
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: I googled him, all right, go ahead.

527
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: You know who Jim is. That's his little voice. I

528
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: love both of those guys. I have technically open for

529
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 3: Brian Reagan, not really, but I was in a choir

530
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: at Texas A and M called the singing Cadets. Not

531
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: to brag, but.

532
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 5: Or soprano.

533
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: He's so happy, he was so happy, froze for a bit,

534
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: no doubt.

535
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: That total wi fi. Sorry, I've technically opened for him

536
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: in that I was in a choir at A and

537
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: M called the singing Cadets, and we sang before one

538
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: of his concerts. So I'm taking that as opening for him.

539
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 5: That's an opening.

540
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, yeah, I'll take it. But I love I

541
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 3: love both of those guys. John Mulaney is another huge

542
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: comedian influence for me. I actually just got tickets for

543
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: Rory Scovel. He will be here in Houston in January.

544
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 3: And if you like the other people that I've talked

545
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 3: about and you like my sense of humor, Rory Scovel

546
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: is probably a guy that you would like if you've

547
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: not seen him before. But feel free to at any

548
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: moment of any day tweet at me and asked me

549
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: questions about stand up comedy, improm I'll talk drop out

550
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 3: TV with anybody out there. We can talk anything you

551
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: want about very alt niche comedy.

552
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm yes, you have Nietzsche interests like niche. I could

553
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: have never talked. I could have never Uh right, yeah.

554
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: All right.

555
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Next from a Twitter user I don't even know twenty

556
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: seven is his? Is the person's Twitter name? How many

557
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: moves do y'all expect them to make? And do you

558
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: think a majority of what we're doing will happen during

559
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: the winter meetings? Second part is impossible to know. I

560
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: will say this. Dana Brown in his tenure, has shown

561
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: that when he gets something that he like, there is

562
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: no hesitation, like he just doesn't like you saw it

563
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: last year with really how the Winter meetings went last year,

564
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: Like he floated on the first night of the Winter

565
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: Meetings last year that they were up into trading Kyle Tucker.

566
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker was traded three days later, like it got

567
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: done very quickly.

568
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: The Nolan Arnado situation.

569
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: They had the Arnaudo deal on the table for about

570
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: a week, Arnaudo declined to waive Hiss no trade clause,

571
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: and then a day and.

572
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: A half later they had agreed to terms of Christian Water.

573
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: Dana has shown himself to be someone that doesn't wait around,

574
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: that likes to get a little bit aggressive, that likes

575
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: to jump the market a little bit. That isn't going

576
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: to be one of these gms that's he is calculated,

577
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but he's certainly not going to

578
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: be one of these gms that's playing these mind games.

579
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: Is to be like, all right, Like if I hold

580
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: out for this long, I can get this in a

581
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: package and I can like see what the other teams

582
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: are doing and see what that does. So I'm like, no,

583
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: he is very much a I got what I want,

584
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: I know what I want.

585
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: Let's just do it. Let's get it done.

586
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: So that being said, I probably'd have to get a

587
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: better feel like as I get to the Winter Meetings,

588
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: like where they are in terms of trade talks, in

589
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: terms of what they have things lined up. But if

590
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: they get to the Winter Meetings and they've got like

591
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: the framework of a couple deals that they're thinking about,

592
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: I would not be stunned at all if they pull

593
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: off a trade or two at the Winter Meetings, just

594
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: because that's how Dana is. He's a very he just

595
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the best way to explain.

596
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: He is definitely the antithesis of many of the modern

597
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: gms who just like to wait out the market and

598
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: like wait things out and like wait till the last

599
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: minute and juggle eight different offers and then all right,

600
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna decide, Like no, he's if he gets

601
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 1: who he wants, then they're gonna go with it. So

602
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: kind of a cop out, I guess answer. But how

603
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: many moves y'all expect them to make?

604
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

605
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean they need a backup catcher. I don't think

606
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: we've talked about that.

607
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 5: I'm guessing. I'm just guessing.

608
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: Three.

609
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 5: I have no validity or context for it. That's just

610
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 5: my guess.

611
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: I think they will make a trade for a start.

612
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: I think there will be a trade that involves a

613
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: starting pitcher coming back to the Astros. I think they

614
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: would very much like to have Brendan Donovan on their team.

615
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to have the wherewithal

616
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: to do that, especially with how much interest Brendan.

617
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: Donovan has around the league.

618
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: The thing that makes the starting pitching acquisitions a little

619
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: bit easier is just that there's just more of them,

620
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: Like they can go to different team and in every

621
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: I know, everyone wants to know, like who are they

622
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: talking to? Who are they targeting?

623
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: Like I don't know. I mean yeah, like I mean

624
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: the calls made.

625
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: Look they outside of like the top you know, forty

626
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: or fifty pitchers, basically everybody is available for the right

627
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: Like you know, somebody called the Astros and we're begging

628
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: for you know, whoever Colden Gordon or aj Blueball or

629
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: who you know, Like, yeah, that guy's available. Like you know,

630
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: like if you want somebody that badly and it'll help

631
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: your team, you know, you'll you'll find a way. So yeah,

632
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: I mean they're they'll get somebody.

633
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: But who knows it'll be yeah, I mean as you can.

634
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: Everybody can go look on roster resource and like go

635
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: look at all like the talk out there, like, yeah,

636
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: the Royals have a surplus of starting pitching that they

637
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: would like to parlay into an outfielder. That certainly makes

638
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: some sense. The Pirates are in that camp. But they

639
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: made a deal last night for that person that's nicknamed

640
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: the Password because he has that long first name that

641
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: no one can pronounce. Yeah, he was the outfielder that

642
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: they sent, but they sent one of their surplus starters

643
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: to Boston.

644
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: And that deal.

645
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: You look at that deal, and that is sort of

646
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: along the lines of what the Astros are trying to do.

647
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: They're trying to offload and that Password. I'm just gonna

648
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: call him the Password because.

649
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: That's what is really good.

650
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: Like that password kid.

651
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: I think he's taken five at bats in the big leagues,

652
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: so he's got six years of control left.

653
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 5: Pay him one hundred million, maybe the pirates.

654
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: The Pirates ain't going to do that.

655
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: That's true, but it's maybe not an identical parallel because

656
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: if you're trading a guy like Jake Myers, he's only

657
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: got two years left. But the Red Sox got a

658
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: prospect back in that deal as well. So you like,

659
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: the Pirates have other guys, they have other surplus starry As.

660
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: They're shopping Mitch Keller pretty extensively. But Mitch Keller has

661
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: a pretty lengthy and lucrative contract extension that he signed.

662
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the Ashers would be willing to

663
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: absorb all of that contract that Mitch Keller has. Those

664
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: are just two names I mentioned, but the what I

665
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: guess what I'm getting to is like those are what's

666
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: out there, Like you don't know what other teams are

667
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: thinking about. There are other teams that operate pretty stealthily,

668
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: that don't talk like this, that don't forecast out there.

669
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: We need this, this and this.

670
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: It could be you know, now that the Blue Jays

671
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: have rebuilt their rotation, Jose Barrios is expendable. He's probably

672
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: in the same boat as has a contract that the

673
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: Ashers don't want to absorb. But the Astros and the

674
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: Blue Jays have made trades before, don't need to remind

675
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: every one of the and they made a couple of years.

676
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: Ago that everyone got very mad at.

677
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: Like finding a starting pitcher that you're paying more than

678
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: you would like to if a team needs like I

679
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: think that's where you can find a home for Christian

680
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: Walker where you can both have contracts that you're not

681
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: interested in having and then you know, swap those where

682
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: it makes more sense for one team than the other.

683
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: For me, the problem with the Myers market is I

684
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: think it's a really specific type of team that could

685
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: use Myers. It can't be a bad team because he

686
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: only has two years of control left and you're not

687
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: going to bank.

688
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: On well, you have to remember Tyler at this time.

689
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: You're like, aside from the Rockies, maybe like no team

690
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: thinks they're.

691
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 3: Bad, right, but I find yeah, but you know, it

692
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 3: can't be that. And it also isn't going to be

693
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: you know, like the upper tier teams necessarily because he's

694
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: not good enough to be like the splash that you know,

695
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: like those teams need that already have like a really

696
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: good center fielder. So I don't know, I know, we

697
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: talk about him getting a lot of traction, but to me,

698
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: like it's a it's a more narrow, you know, sale

699
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: than anywhere obviously because there's only thirty center fielders. So yeah,

700
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 3: we'll we'll see. But and I think what.

701
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: What helps the Myers market that maybe we didn't discuss

702
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: is like there's not many Kyle Tucks out. Kyle Tucker's

703
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: out there, obviously, but other than that, there's not a

704
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: ton of free agent outfielders available him and Tucker and

705
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: Bellinger obviously, but they're they're gonna go to like the

706
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: five teams that can afford them. I do rather have

707
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: Jake Myers and Cody Bellinger, sure, but but that's why

708
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: I just mean, like in like I think that I

709
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: would say, even contract aside, I think that Jake Myers

710
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: will have a better year and Cody Bellinger, like you know,

711
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: even if it's not contract related. But that's why I

712
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: think jac is getting so much interest is because like

713
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: he's cheap, He's got another year of control. His value

714
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: has never been higher, and it's for all the teams

715
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: that don't want to go spend four hundred million dollars

716
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: on Kyle Tucker three hundred and fifty million on Cody Bellinger. Yep,

717
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: all right, let's another question. This one is going to

718
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: be from sports. Uh at Tyree's helmet is that Robert

719
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: Fords Burner, Maybe do you think Aspata and Brown essentially

720
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: being in a proven year could affect.

721
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: How they go about this offseason, and if so, in

722
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: what ways? I think it's an interesting thought.

723
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 3: Oh he means Dana Brown. Yeah, what is Hunter Brown proving?

724
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 3: What do you what more do you need from this man?

725
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 5: Come on, Tyler, give it.

726
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: He means Dana Brown, who is in the last year

727
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: of his contract. He means Joe A. Spotta, who was

728
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: also in the last year of his contract. Neither man

729
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: has gotten an extension as far as I know, they are.

730
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: They're the definition of lame ducks going into this season.

731
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: And it's not it's not unfamiliar here. Dusty Baker was

732
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: a lame duck for pretty much his entire Astro's tenure.

733
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: James Klick went into the twenty twenty two season as

734
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: a lame duck. They won the World Series, and then

735
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: he was no longer a lame duck. I don't know

736
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: if it affects their off season. I think I at

737
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's really it's Jim Crane's money,

738
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: so like he's the one that's got to be the

739
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: final okay of like giving money to certain players, and

740
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: he's got to okay everything because he's the owner. So

741
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that necessarily impacts their off season. Now,

742
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: if we get to early July and things are if

743
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: they're right around five hundred, and you know, you got

744
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: to make a decision buy or sell, and you got

745
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: these guys in the last Do you want Dana Brown

746
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: running the trade deadline? If you've got to make some

747
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: pretty franchise altering decisions in July when he's a lame duck.

748
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: That's when I think this conversation gets a little bit

749
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: more interesting.

750
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: Josh.

751
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: But I don't think. I don't think the off season

752
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: I don't think.

753
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: I don't think.

754
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you can speak, you can speak to this

755
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: as a guy that was a free agent, Like do

756
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: you do you put that stuff in your mind? You

757
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: look at like, oh, this managers only not under contract

758
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: next year, Like I don't want to go there, Like

759
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: I don't think it affects like who they can acquire,

760
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: who they who they're.

761
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: Going to talk to in trades. I don't think it

762
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 2: affects the off season much.

763
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 5: No, I agree, I don't think it affects anything.

764
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: If I'm looking at as a free agent player, Like

765
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: most of the managers you talk to, you don't really

766
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: know them well enough to have that kind of connection

767
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 4: to even consider, like, oh, if you know Joe Spott

768
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 4: is not going to be their next year, I gotta

769
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: worry about meeting a new guy Like that Usually doesn't

770
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: affect any decision I'm that I'm making because you're looking

771
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: at the talent of the team when you're looking.

772
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 5: At what you want in a contract.

773
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 4: So, but I'm with you on the like, if they

774
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: have to end up fire sailing at the break and

775
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 4: do you really want a guy who's not going to

776
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: be there next year at the reins like that makes.

777
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 5: Is he going to benefit you the best of his ability?

778
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 5: Probably not, because he's not going to be there.

779
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 4: So that's definitely something where I'm with you on the

780
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 4: Jim Crane is obviously the final decision maker on that.

781
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 4: But no, I don't think it affects anything that they

782
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: do in this offseason because they're just going to go

783
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: out there and try to win.

784
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: I mean, what you just said I think is why

785
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: it doesn't affect anything. Jim Crane makes the final decision anyway.

786
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: The Dana Brown is an advisor to Jim Crane. He

787
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: is not running this and checking in with Jim Crane

788
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: once a year to let him know how his investment

789
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 3: is going. Like Jim Crane is very involved and knows

790
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: what's going on and has opinions on things. And you

791
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: know it's also I mean, Jim Crane is from the

792
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: business world, and look, I'm in sales. My contract is

793
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: day to day. You know, I get fired at any

794
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: moment of any day. And you know, like you're not

795
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: signing these long contracts to do these jobs in the

796
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 3: business world. So I don't think it affects anything.

797
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree.

798
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: Again, I think we'll have a very we'll have a

799
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: more fascinating conversation come July.

800
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: If they're teetering around.

801
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: Five hundred, If they're you know, three four games back

802
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: in the division and they really have a decision to

803
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: make in terms of what direction do they go with

804
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: the deadline, then I think this is when this comes

805
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: in play.

806
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 2: Who knows, maybe they'll be extended before then. I don't know.

807
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: I didn't send this one in the text to you guys,

808
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: so we would we would talk about. But I think

809
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: we I think you guys can prep on the fly,

810
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: He asks JV reunion still as likely as previously thought.

811
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: I'll say this.

812
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: If Jim Crane wants and he's going to get him.

813
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: I think that I think of the Verlander situation is

814
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: far more of a Jim Crane and Justin Verlander direct

815
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: discussion than anything the baseball ops team will do.

816
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 4: I don't even think j JV probably doesn't even have

817
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 4: Dana Brown's number, does he? Does he really need an agent.

818
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 5: At that point?

819
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: Probably probably there's no there's no center line there for him.

820
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: I'm going straight to the source, straight to the CEO

821
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: around everything else.

822
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know we're laughing, but like, guys,

823
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: that's how this works.

824
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it's funny, but I mean, when if you

825
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 4: don't know how close Jim and JV really.

826
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: Are that the contractor is, that's what the contractor is

827
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: gonna be one of them thumbs uping the other one's

828
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 3: text of what amount of money they want, and then

829
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 3: they're just gonna count that as legal and then they'll

830
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: show up to work.

831
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 4: And I would love to see that text thread because

832
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 4: I guarantee JV is reaching out every.

833
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: Day and again, like everyone can think like we're just

834
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: pulling this out of thin air. Like Justin Verlander was

835
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: at dyke In Park last year with the Giants and

836
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: said on the record, Yeah, when the Giants offered me

837
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: this contract, I called Jim and Saw and asked if

838
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: they could match it, and in so many words, Jim

839
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: he said basically that Jim told him at that point

840
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: they couldn't do that. And so that does show you

841
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: that this isn't going to be some blind just yeah,

842
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: we want justin back, like Jim's not going to do

843
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: it unless it makes fiscal sense, unless he is okay

844
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: with the number, unless they can come to.

845
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: Meet in the middle. But yeah, if this is going

846
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: to be so you asked me like.

847
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: The likely or we asked us the likelihood Like that's

848
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: trying to get into Jim Crane's mind and I can't.

849
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: I can't do that.

850
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 4: So I think the situation is likely regardless of where

851
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 4: the team's at.

852
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: I think it's as soon as is the kind of

853
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: main questions that we've talked about are answered for the astros,

854
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: What do we do with Meyers, what do you Pardes

855
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: and Walker? Once those are done, you have a good

856
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: sense of how far you are away from the luxury tax.

857
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: You know, if it's twenty five thirty million, then it's like, yeah, Jamie,

858
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: here's fifteen million. Come on in if it's eleven million,

859
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: because somehow you made a trade and you took on

860
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 3: a little more money than you thought. But you think

861
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: that you've meaningfully upgraded your team, then maybe it's I'd

862
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 3: love to but this is how much money that I had,

863
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: you know whatever. But I think as soon as those

864
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: things are answered, JB signing somewhere within a couple of

865
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: days after that, that's fair.

866
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: And I mean, make no mistake, like Justin would come

867
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: back like he again, This is not me like guessing,

868
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: this is Justin has said this like he's like always

869
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: wants to come back like again, he and Jim are

870
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: very very close like this. So I think, Tyler, I

871
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: think you nailed it, Tyler. Like I think they need

872
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: to get a lot of these other uncertainties settled. I think,

873
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: like once, you I think once, maybe Jim or Justin

874
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: for that matter, sees which pitcher they acquire, and then

875
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: maybe can they get one of the big money, big

876
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: money in quotation marks. Are they going to trade Paradus

877
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: and his ten million dollar ARB salary? Are they going

878
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: to trade Walker and some of the twenty million dollars

879
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: he's over this year? Like if they can answer those questions,

880
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: and then we get to like mid January, then it's

881
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: like all right, then, like they.

882
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: Can really start to have the discussions.

883
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: But Marlondo doesn't need to know what team he's on

884
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: until the third game of the season. Like his preparation

885
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: is not going to change based on what uniform. Oh no,

886
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: he's wearing, you know, Like it doesn't matter if he

887
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: signs now or if he signs the day of his

888
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: first start, Like he's he's gonna be ready.

889
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 5: He'll be game ready.

890
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: He'll be game ready to just go straight in, throw

891
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: jersey on and remember having m on the headphones.

892
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: You remember after the Astros era, Roger Clemens, when the

893
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: Yankees signed him in like June and he was just

894
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: making like a million dollars a start, and he like

895
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: didn't travel with the team. He just showed up on

896
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: start days and does that.

897
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: Like that was my favorite part of like late in

898
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: career Roger Clemens was like he literally hadn't negotiated, Like

899
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: if I pitched it on a road trip, I ain't.

900
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what that, Yeah, I mean, I don't.

901
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 3: I think Verlander enjoys being around the team more like

902
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: Roderick Clemens did and like he again. Look back at

903
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: one of my favorite moments when when I think about

904
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: the golden era of the Astros, I think about Game

905
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: two of the World Series of ver Lander and his

906
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: you know, hairy arms coming out and yelling at the

907
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: team to get in his awful cut shirt. But like

908
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: he he enjoys that, like he likes me. So I

909
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 3: don't think that he would do that anyway. But if

910
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: he wanted to, go ahead, Bud, you do whatever you want.

911
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think. I think that stuff gets settled

912
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 3: as soon as the Astros know who's basically on their

913
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: team and how much money they have left to spend.

914
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: It's not an exaggeration to say if the Asher signed

915
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: Justin Verlander, when they come to an agreement with him,

916
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: like Dana Brown, will be told like, we haven't agreement.

917
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 5: Hey we got Verlander announced it.

918
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that will be how that that will be, how

919
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: that goes.

920
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 5: That's pretty much.

921
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 3: That will be really funny. Josh, I want.

922
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 4: An extension question to you guys off of that he's

923
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 4: thirty four away from three hundred's this year.

924
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't. I don't thinking he gets

925
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: it all. No, I mean just that's three full seasons

926
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: pitching on a good team, pitching well, and I just

927
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: I don't think that's there with.

928
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: Like the Randy Johnson. Remember when Randy Johnson was chasing

929
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 4: it forever and he just kept going until he got it,

930
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 4: Like do you give him that symbol closer?

931
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: Though he was very Johnson was like that to eighties

932
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: like he was a lot closer. And that was back

933
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: in the day where even bad pictures went six. I mean, certainly,

934
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: Randy Johnson.

935
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 5: You're number four, where was going six innings?

936
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

937
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: You know, like sure, that's not the way they get.

938
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: Like I mean, who led the Who who led the

939
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: league and wins last year?

940
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: Chandler probably talk amongst yourselves while I look it up.

941
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: I mean again, like even even a.

942
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: Max Freed Max Freed led the league in wins with

943
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: nineteen last season.

944
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: A best case scenario for Justin verry Lander. I mean,

945
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: I'm talking like just peak for a forty three year

946
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: old guy wins. I was gonna say, like twelve would

947
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 3: be like an insanely good year, something went really well.

948
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 3: He's like twelve and four with a you know three

949
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: two era, he'd have to do that three and a

950
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: half years in a row to get three hundred wins,

951
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: like he's not doing.

952
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: That, along with you don't know if you're playing a

953
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: full season next.

954
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 5: Year, that is true. The negotiation is coming, that's true, right.

955
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: Like the owners will probably lock the players out, and

956
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: like there is a I don't want I don't want

957
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: to put a percentage on it because I don't cover

958
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: this stuff. But you're looking at a possibility of a

959
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: shortened season in some capacity next year if if the

960
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: labor dispute gets as nasty as it could get.

961
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 4: But if I can quote the great Tony Clark, save

962
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 4: your money boys, anytime we're coming in negotiation, Save your

963
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 4: money boys.

964
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: The one thing about like you mentioned, like do you

965
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: do you let Verlander just go as long as he

966
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: can to try to get it. The one thing he's

967
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: always been forth right about, Josh, and I'm sure you

968
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: can relate to this as a as a player, like

969
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: he has said on numerous occasions, like it is his

970
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: goal to pitch until he's forty five years old. He'll

971
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: be next year will be his age forty three season.

972
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: But he's also said like he's not going to have

973
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: forty five as this like number set in stone because

974
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to embarrass himself. He has been forthright

975
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: and saying like he does not want to go out

976
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: there and just be like a novelty or go out

977
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: there and if he can't get out and if he's

978
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: going to embarrass himself on the mound, and if it's

979
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: just not there, he knows when the time is right

980
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: to walk, right if you.

981
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: Don't have the second half that he had last year,

982
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: I don't know that he'd be back this year like

983
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: he started rough at the beginning, but I think the

984
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 3: last couple of months gave him enough hope to say like, Okay,

985
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: well I'll try this and see what happens.

986
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I think I mean, Josh,

987
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: you know this, like he wants three hundred. That has

988
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: been in his mind, That has been a number that

989
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: he has chased for a very long time. I just

990
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't claim to know Justin well, but just in

991
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: the years I covered him and listening to how he

992
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: thinks and talks about his legacy in the game, I

993
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: don't think this would be a situation where he keeps

994
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: coming back just to try and reach that number. I

995
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: think he's going to pitch until his effectiveness is gone

996
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: and wins and losses be damned.

997
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: He's already in the Hall of Fame anyway without three hundred,

998
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 4: so I could I could get hundred.

999
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: Is an absurd amount of wins. No one is ever

1000
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: coming close to three hundred. Just for you math whizzes

1001
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: at home is if you averaged fifteen wins a year

1002
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: for twenty seasons, that is three hundred wins. Like that's

1003
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: never happening ever again.

1004
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 4: If he luckily I he goes through like what that

1005
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 4: thirty plus starts a year on the regular now like

1006
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 4: it's four like four guys.

1007
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: But even with that, the way that the I mean,

1008
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 3: the parody of teams make it so too, where like

1009
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: don't you don't have the like old Yankees teams where

1010
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: you can rack up twenty five thirty wins in a year,

1011
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: Like you're just you're not leaving games often enough and

1012
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: thinking that you're gonna be able to close those out,

1013
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: Like think of how many games very Lander has lost

1014
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: as you're of no decisions where he's only gone five

1015
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 3: or six innings, where if this were thirty years ago

1016
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 3: he would have gone eight and just seeing what happened.

1017
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: But like I mean, I don't think anyone is getting no.

1018
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: I mean, two hundred is crazy. Getting to two hundred

1019
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 3: is a crazy amount of.

1020
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: Wins real quick.

1021
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: Justin obviously, Justin is the active wins leader in Major

1022
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: League Baseball. He's got two hundred and sixty six wins.

1023
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw, who is now no longer active, he was

1024
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: as of last year. He was the second active winning

1025
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: this pitcher at two hundred and twenty three wins. Max

1026
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: Schurzer has two hundred and twenty one wins. Garrett Cole

1027
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: is fourth. Do you want to guess how many wins.

1028
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 5: Garrett Cole has in his career one hundred and fifteen.

1029
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like one forty, one hundred and

1030
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: fifty three.

1031
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, again. And if he gets to two hundred,

1032
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: like he is one of the best pitchers of the

1033
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 3: last ten fifteen years, Like he is the pinnacle of

1034
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: pitcher and performance. And he's not gonna come anywhere near,

1035
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: you know, any of those numbers like he You have

1036
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 3: to reevaluate from the like those types of numbers now

1037
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: in a way that you just didn't before. You're you're

1038
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: not going to rack up those counting stats as a

1039
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: pitcher anymore.

1040
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: The thing that would just the thing that would just

1041
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: annoy me is that, like it's not within the pitcher's control,

1042
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: like Justin can pitch seven shutout innings and if the

1043
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: bullpen comes in and gives it.

1044
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: Up, or like if the bats don't show.

1045
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: Up that day, it's like and I mean, you look,

1046
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: that's kind of what happeneding with the Giants last year.

1047
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: Like he pitched well and a lot of those games

1048
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: that he lost.

1049
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean judging any picture by wins and

1050
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 3: losses doesn't matter. We're only talking about it because Berlander

1051
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: wants to get there. But I mean, that's just not

1052
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 3: that's not happening.

1053
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

1054
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: So real quick, uh some not. This is not breaking news.

1055
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: Please don't overreact. But the Astros have cleared two spots

1056
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: on their forty man roster. They outrighted Taylor Trommel and

1057
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: Logan Van wat I had a triple A sugar Land,

1058
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: which means they will go to the Winter Meetings with

1059
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: thirty eight players on their forty man roster. There's gonna

1060
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: be a thirty ninth at some point in the next

1061
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: couple of days.

1062
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: And they officially.

1063
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Announced Ryan Weiss's contract, but they will have an open

1064
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: spot on their forty man roster as they enter Orlando.

1065
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: I think most of the ASTROS contingent is flying there

1066
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon. We mentioned earlier the Hall of Fame.

1067
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: The Contemporary ARA ballot will be voted on Sunday night,

1068
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: and then everything really kicks in the gear on Monday.

1069
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: Dana Brown will speak to the Houston media contingent that

1070
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: is there on Monday at I believe three Central time.

1071
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: Joe A.

1072
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: Spotta will do his media session at four pm Central

1073
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: Time on Monday.

1074
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: So we'll have.

1075
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: Plenty to talk about next week after the Winter Meetings

1076
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: wrap up. But until then, you can follow me on

1077
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: X at Chandler Underscore Room. You can follow Josh at

1078
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Speaker 1: j Red Dub Deuce, and you can follow Tyler at

1079
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1081
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1082
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1083
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1084
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1085
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Like I said, it will be a busy

1086
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: week coming up at the Winter Meetings. Could have a

1087
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: lot of transactions, could have a lot of things changing,

1088
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: It could all look the same. Who knows, but we'll

1089
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: talk about it either way on Crushit Territory. Thank you

1090
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: guys as always for listening, and we'll talk to you soon.

1091
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