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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show brood X. There's often generational battles,

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Speaker 1: boomers complaining about millennials, gen X complaining about zoomers, Zoomers

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Speaker 1: duking it out with boomers in the thunderdome. But perhaps

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Speaker 1: as we have our petty generational fights, we should stop

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Speaker 1: to consider what's happening under our feet. Something is stirring.

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Speaker 1: In fact, millions of somethings are stirring. Rude X is

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Speaker 1: about to emerge, and we should put aside our petty

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Speaker 1: squabbles about whether millennials eat too many avocados or zoomers

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Speaker 1: do too many tiktoks about avocados and prepare ourselves for

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Speaker 1: brood X that has been waiting seventeen years to emerge

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Speaker 1: from the ground. What is brood X? Should we panic?

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Speaker 1: Must we accept brood X is our new leaders? And

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Speaker 1: how might we ingratiate ourselves to them? Discover this and

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Speaker 1: more to we answer to the age old question, how

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Speaker 1: is it fair that swarms of baby turtles are considered cute?

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Speaker 1: But swarms of bugs are considered quote horrifying. Joining me

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Speaker 1: today to discuss brood X and other mass spawning events

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Speaker 1: is author of the book Where Am I Now? Actress

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Speaker 1: and unofficial President of All Millennials.

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Speaker 2: Mara Wilson. Welcome, Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to talk about this brood X. It

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Speaker 2: sounds a lot scarier than it actually is, I think.

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Speaker 1: Or is it. No, you're right, that's true. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: sounds scary. It sounds like this is our come upance

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Speaker 1: as a specia and we're about to face the music,

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Speaker 1: the very loud music. But no, it is it is

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Speaker 1: actually very very interesting thing in evolutionary biology. So this

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Speaker 1: brood X is a mass cicada blue. First, I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you, mar how's your feelings towards cicadas.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think they have them where I

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Speaker 2: grew up, or at least not in the ways that

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Speaker 2: they do on the East Coast because they so seventeen

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Speaker 2: years so they were, because I do remember hearing about

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Speaker 2: them when I was a teenager. Yeah, so probably when

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Speaker 2: I was That was two thousand and four, so I

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Speaker 2: would have been sixteen or seventeen, and I do remember

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Speaker 2: spending my summer on the East Coast and I think

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Speaker 2: that was the first time I'd ever heard cicadas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think we do get So I grew

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Speaker 1: up in San Diego, and I think we get some

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Speaker 1: cicadas there, yeah, but definitely we don't get the mass

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Speaker 1: burning events that happens on the East Coast.

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Speaker 2: I think, like, maybe i'd heard them before, but I

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Speaker 2: didn't know what they were where, Whereas when I lived

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Speaker 2: on the East Coast, like I definitely i'd heard cicadas

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Speaker 2: and I knew what they sounded like, and I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 3: I was like visiting family on the East Coast in two.

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Speaker 2: Thousand and four, and I was like, what's this weird

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Speaker 2: noise in the tree that seems to be everywhere? And

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Speaker 2: what are these like dead bodies littered on the ground.

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Speaker 2: So uh so yeah, so yeah, so I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: indifferent to them. I don't think that they're They're like

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Speaker 2: I I like the sounds of crickets chirping. I don't

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Speaker 2: mind the sounds of cicadas so much. It is a

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Speaker 2: bit overwhelming and it is a bit gross when like

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Speaker 2: their corpses littered the streets. But again, I haven't had

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Speaker 2: to deal with that as much, so, so it's it's

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Speaker 2: not you know, it's not as much of an annoyance

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Speaker 2: as like as like coyotes are to me, or like

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Speaker 2: or or like snails or things like that where I'm

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Speaker 2: like gross, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good, then you missed the Giant Snail episode that was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm oh God, snails draws me out so much.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Katie, but I'm gonna have to skip that

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Speaker 2: episode because I think they're I think they're the grossest

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Speaker 1: My friend Bridget also she's been on the show, also

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Speaker 1: disgusted by snails. Yeah, so I won't tell you the

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Speaker 1: story about when I was a toddler, I used to

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Speaker 1: just eat garden snails.

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Speaker 3: Whoa, I mean that's that's you know, that's that's French.

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Speaker 3: That's it it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gourmet, very bask Yeah exactly, now I would.

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Speaker 1: I can't eat I can't eat escargo. Maybe it's because

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Speaker 1: I like, as a kid, it's just like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I've eaten enough snails. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard it's also not very good unless it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know how I managed. The reason, uh,

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Speaker 1: I know I ate snails because I barely remember anything

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Mark, I can't too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gagging.

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Speaker 1: I don't I haven't done that in quite a while.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know. But just the idea is.

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Speaker 1: Is, yeah, well, that's that's your gross out of the episode.

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Speaker 1: Than Yeah, for I figured there would be one. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: so cicadas maybe not that gross, but maybe a little intimidating.

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Speaker 1: So this spring in the US, we are welcoming millions

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Speaker 1: of cicadas into the world in a mass hatching event.

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Speaker 1: So yay, Yeah, I guess, like before we talk about

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Speaker 1: the mass s bonding, let's talk about like, what what

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Speaker 1: even is a cicada?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: They are a very loud bug. They are a true bug.

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Speaker 1: They're like we call a lot of insects bugs, but

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Speaker 1: there are just a few species that are known as

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Speaker 1: like true bugs. Yeah, and others that I guess are

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but is it like how there's no

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Speaker 2: such thing as a fish Like I always thought like

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Speaker 2: just sort of grouping a bunch of different creatures together.

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Speaker 1: There's actually there there is, actually there is such a thing.

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Speaker 1: There is actually true bugs. Yeah, I mean taxonomy gets

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Speaker 1: very I don't know, there's a lot of gray areas.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of like you know, like with you

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Speaker 1: then but a lot of things that aren't fish are

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Speaker 1: called fish, like jellyfish are not fish. They're nidarians. We're

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Speaker 1: actually going to talk about some more Nigerians at the

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Speaker 1: end of the episode, which will be very strange. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so so cicadas true bugs. And they're actually related to

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Speaker 1: leaf hoppers, those cute little leaf shaped bugs that are

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Speaker 1: really good jumpers yea, and they come in really interesting shapes.

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Speaker 1: So I think we did an episode on leafhoppers before.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they are very interesting bugs, very beautiful they are.

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Speaker 2: That's like one of the things that like blows. It's

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Speaker 2: like like if you ever want to blow like a

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Speaker 2: four year old's mind, you know, show them a picture

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Speaker 2: of a leaf hopper. Yes, I remember, like I remember

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Speaker 2: don't know if it was a nature preserve or what,

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Speaker 2: seeing leaf hoppers and stick bugs and just losing my.

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Speaker 3: Like what how does this exist?

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Speaker 3: How is this a thing? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It looks Yeah, they look like made up bugs that

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Speaker 1: someone like paper machade together.

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Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, I'm just gonna make a bug

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Speaker 3: But I never would have thought they were related to cicadas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like leaf hoppers have that sort of triangular shape,

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Speaker 1: so they're different. So there's there's leaf bugs that have

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Speaker 1: and they're really good jumpers. If you've ever like you

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Speaker 1: then it has like little legs, and then you try

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Speaker 1: And cicadas are sort of like bigger versions of this,

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Speaker 1: have wings in a thick, triangular body. There are many

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Speaker 1: species of cicadas, and they come in a variety of colors,

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Speaker 1: blue hues. And they are fairly decently sized. So the

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Speaker 1: smaller species are about zero point seventy five inches or

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Speaker 1: so you know big.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen them before and they are pretty big.

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Speaker 3: The ones that I've seen were pretty big. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you don't want to get hit in the face,

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Speaker 1: like when you're when you're on your bike, just for example,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't had that happen, but I have had.

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Speaker 2: What are the Jerusalem beatles or not Jerusalem?

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Speaker 1: They're like, oh yeah, what are Erusalem crickets?

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Speaker 3: What are It's not Jerusalem crickets? What am I thinking of?

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Speaker 3: They're like the big flying there's these big flying things

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those are I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know what they're called. We have them in southern California.

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Speaker 1: I think they're June. Are you thinking about June June bugs.

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Speaker 2: No, they're not June bugs because they're they're like they

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Speaker 2: like fooled in on themselves. They they like roll up

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Speaker 2: and they fly and they're like brightly colored and they

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Speaker 2: look like they're like some kind of flying beetle. And

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Speaker 2: but I've gotten one in my hair before. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was like by my friend's pool and one got

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Speaker 2: caught in my hair. I've also I've also found multiple

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Speaker 2: I've found a spider in my hair once and then

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Speaker 2: like I can't even remember it happening. But just last year,

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Speaker 3: Not again.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, that's a weird thing to think.

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Speaker 2: I'm just croving my goth side like up spider. I

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Speaker 2: got a spider in my hair again.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, oh gosh, yeah, I have I have

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Speaker 1: bad like luck with things getting in my hair too.

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Speaker 1: I was at well, I won't name the restaurant so

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Speaker 1: I won't get sued, but it's that a burger restaurant,

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Speaker 1: and I felt something land on my head and I

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Speaker 1: was like well that's strange. And I just sort of

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Speaker 1: mindlessly reach up and pick it up and it's a

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Speaker 1: giant cock crouch.

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Speaker 3: Oh god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I was like, waiter, there's a cock crouch.

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Speaker 1: Uh that fell on me? And he was just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was like, you might you might want

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Speaker 1: to look into that, like check it out.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I generally don't mind bugs. Like if a spider gets

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Speaker 1: on me, there's an initial startle reflex. But it's something

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Speaker 1: about it being in the hair yea that I hate,

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Speaker 1: like like emerging from your hair, because you're like, it.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't emerging in my hair.

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Speaker 2: I just and it was a tiny spider, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: the idea of it emerging from your hair feels like

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Speaker 2: a like a creepy urban legend.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly, like the oh oh what's that the

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Speaker 1: grudge you know? Yes, exactly, the fingers cut.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know, what have you done?

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Speaker 1: Everybody has subscription. Everybody love Yeah, I'm actually subscribed to

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Speaker 2: It to me, it sounds almost like somebody revving up

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Speaker 1: So now we know what cicadas are, and so we

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Speaker 1: So, this group of emerging periodical cicadas this spring are

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Speaker 1: Lean into it, you know. Yes, I love the book

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Speaker 1: lean In by a Cicada, And it's just like on

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Speaker 1: There'll be millions of cicadas coming out this spring, and

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Speaker 1: So the males will make their characteristic buzzes and the

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Speaker 2: or a broke half a mouse and yeah, exactly. And

433
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: and one of them is actually a cicada MOLTI oh

434
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: wow over cicada morting. And I remember I saw that.

435
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: When I first saw it, like brought back so many memories.

436
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, I haven't seen one

437
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: of these in years, but I know exactly what it is.

438
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so they they they you need to connect

439
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: me with this game. Because I need to play any

440
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: game that makes a cicada reference.

441
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the nico atsume. It's the cat collector game

442
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: for I love this. It's very cute.

443
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta, I gotta check it out. Yeah, this

444
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: episode is not sponsored by this, but if you want

445
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: to sponsor us, get at me. So you'll find both

446
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: the cicada corpses, which you can tell if they're they're

447
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: the corpse because they are actually they have the full

448
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 1: wings and I think the ones in the US are

449
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: sort of blackish blue color and then their wings are

450
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: are lined in a bright orange and so that's that's

451
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: the adult form of the cicada, whereas the casings, like

452
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: the molted cicadas, is sort of it'll be this like

453
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: kind of translucent amber color. And the wings are clearly

454
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: not fully developed on these because in their earlier stages

455
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: of formation, the wings are little and they're not functional

456
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: yet because they get bigger and bigger with each molting.

457
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: So they they traveling.

458
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: They don't travel in groups, but they like live in groups,

459
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: right yeah swarms, yeah, because they I remember hearing them altogether.

460
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean like this is the this is

461
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: sort of the entire point of this mass emergence from

462
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: the ground is that they emerge all at the same time,

463
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: basically millions of them, and then all mate at the

464
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: same time, lay their eggs at the same time, and

465
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: then that'll start the process again.

466
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, because because I bet like females probably aren't

467
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 2: that discriminating when it comes to Yeah.

468
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: They can't actually be because they have the they have

469
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: the luxury to be discriminating because they're so many males, right, So,

470
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: like they'll listen to these these calls and if they

471
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: like the song, like if it's it's like, yeah, that's

472
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: a that's a nice that's a nice uh motor reving sound. Uh,

473
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: they'll invite the mail over with the wing flicks and

474
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: then they'll mate.

475
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: So I just feel like, if you, if you do

476
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: your wing flick at like a group of guys, who's

477
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: gonna know how do they know who it is? No?

478
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: Not you, that guy, that guy, No, that one, No,

479
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: that one over there, No, not you.

480
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good question. I'm not sure. I

481
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: would imagine it may have something to do with timing,

482
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: Like they hear a call and then they sort of

483
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: do a wing flick at them right after their call.

484
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, like there must be some that's

485
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: a really good question. I wonder if there's any research

486
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: onto like how they are able to like directionally locate

487
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: where the stuff is coming from. I'm sure they probably

488
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: have some a very interesting auditory system.

489
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

490
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: There, their auditory system actually also works as a resonance chamber.

491
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: So it's like they they have this very complex little

492
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: machine apparatus. So I wouldn't be surprised if they have

493
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: some very complex way of being able to differentiate the

494
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: direction of sounds so that that would make it easier.

495
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's yeah, that's a really good question.

496
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: I went to theater school and very familiar with resonators,

497
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: with using your vocal resonators and so so.

498
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: Yes, but what now what you call me?

499
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: Just let the the using, Yeah, using using the different parts. Yeah,

500
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: that's that's Resonance is something that you know, I admire

501
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: and other creatures.

502
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: They're natural born actors, but they yeah, but especially.

503
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: When they live and die on the stage. Yeah.

504
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: Uh. And also with like how many of them are

505
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: trying to.

506
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: Exact part Yeah, yeah, it's true.

507
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: It's true when the female lays the eggs will actually

508
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: lay them in the branches of trees and then again

509
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: the adults kid was like, well, we had our big party,

510
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: now now we're out, and they die. And then when

511
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: the eggs hatch with this little teeny nymph like a

512
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: baby cicada, the nymphs will fall to the ground and

513
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: burrowed down a couple feet near the tree roots, near

514
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: the plant roots, and then they will wait another seventeen

515
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: years before they emerge again. Underground, they live off the

516
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: juices of the tree roots, which is called xylum. Basically,

517
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: like I said, they are tree vampires and they take

518
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: years to fully mature. So they go through many stages

519
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: of molting and transformations from the nymph form, which is

520
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: the young wingless stage after hatching two adults where they

521
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: have the full wings and they're ready to party. So

522
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: they slowly develop those wings which with each molting, and

523
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: then once they've reached their final stage of maturation, which

524
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: is about at the same time. Because again they were

525
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: all the eggs were laid at the same time, they

526
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: all went underground at the same time. They're all synchronized,

527
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: which is incredible. Yeah, they will start to burrow upwards

528
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: and they test the temperature of the earth and once

529
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: it is above about sixty four degrees fahrenheit or eighteen

530
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: degrees celsius, they're like, yep, temperature's right out. We come.

531
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: And then it happens again and they actually leave a

532
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: bunch of holes in the ground, which for me, that's

533
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: like the spookiest part. It's not seeing all the cicadas.

534
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: It's like seeing the holes. Like do you ever have

535
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: you ever read a ging Eto like his horror comics.

536
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: No, I don't think I have, But I mean that

537
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: does sound creepy.

538
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: There's a horror manga where it's like all these human

539
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: shaped holes in a cliff face and like people like

540
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: go inside and just get sucked up. It's kind of

541
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: it's just like all these like little cicada holes. It's

542
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: just it's a little creepy. That's I don't know why,

543
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: but that's the part that kind of creeps me out.

544
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: And it's not it's not tripephobia. I don't have that.

545
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: That's the the hear of holes.

546
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not really that. I think it's just

547
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: the knowing what they are. Like that's where like this

548
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: brood comes out from I don't know. Yeah, it gives

549
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: me the shivers.

550
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like if you grew up in

551
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: southern California or or you know, anywhere in the Southwest,

552
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: you probably holes in.

553
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: The ground mean snakes.

554
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 2: So I always, you know, my dad would always say,

555
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: never put your your your hand or foot somewhere you

556
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: can't see.

557
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's a good point. Yeah, because like I

558
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: remember when I was a little kid and I was

559
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: like digging around in the dirt. I found a hole.

560
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'll dig down in this hole. Scorpion, scorpion. Yeah,

561
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: don't you.

562
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, don't do that. That's I have.

563
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: I have family that live in the desert and they're

564
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: just kind of like, well, the cat killed another scorpion today, Yeah,

565
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: And scorpions are so common to them, and I'm like,

566
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, that's a bit overwhelming for me.

567
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: Scorpions are. I think they're fascinating and cool, but but

568
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: I'm I want them. I wouldn't want them to be

569
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: doing battle with my cats or me.

570
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great parents. Scorpions are, but they I don't

571
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: want them in my room. I've I'm like in my parents'

572
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: house where I grew up, where actually I am right

573
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: now because I'm visiting my parents because the vaccine. Hooray.

574
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: We're right next to sort of this arid canyon area.

575
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: And so for whatever reason that bugs loved my room.

576
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: Maybe they could sense a kindred spirit. But I would

577
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: get like scorpions would get in there, and it's like

578
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: it would only be my room for some reason, or

579
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: maybe I was the only one looking around for scorpions.

580
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: But it's scorpions. I got, like a pleinarian once. It's

581
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: like weird sort of warm thing. And I got the

582
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned. I think it was a misnom where you

583
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: were talking about the fig beetles. But yeah, but Jerusalem

584
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 1: crickets are around here as well, so I got got

585
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: one of those those are creepy their faces, something about

586
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, so I got a bunch

587
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: of weird bugs, including scorpions. Never a cicada though only

588
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: heard them from a distance. Speaking of bugs and them

589
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: encroaching on us, you may be asking, why do they

590
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: do this mass brooding event? Is it just to scare us?

591
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: What's going Is it an intimidation thing? Oh god, why

592
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: are they doing this? So it's interesting because most cicada

593
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: species aren't like this. They don't lay in wait for

594
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: seventeen years and then emerge on mass like they live

595
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: for a few years, and they have like annual mating cycles,

596
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: just typical stuff. The periodical brooding cicadas are interestingly different,

597
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: Like their whole name is based on this brooding habit.

598
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: They're called magic cicada, which sounds like it's like magic cicada,

599
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: which is I love, But it actually comes from the

600
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: Latin maygui or magi. I think it's magi, yeah, which

601
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: means to a great extent. So it's basically saying like,

602
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of them, But I also like to

603
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: think that it's because they're magic, just like magic cicada.

604
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

605
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: But the purpose of this huge brood emergence is probably

606
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: safety in numbers, right, there are so many of them.

607
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: As an individual cicada, you're statistically unlikely to be preyed

608
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: upon in such a huge mass of others, And it

609
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: makes mating easier because you just have one big meet

610
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: and Greek party with millions of sexy singles in your area.

611
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: Exactly.

612
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: It's what everybody everybody like, you know what people be like,

613
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: you know, me and my homies. Once we get the vaccine, yes,

614
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: of course it's not going to be like that. It's

615
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: much more going to be like you know, us, us slowly,

616
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: you know, climbing out of.

617
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: Arcade where we've been hibernating.

618
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: Yes, it's probably not going to be as fun and

619
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: sexy as the cicadas.

620
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: You know what.

621
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: I didn't make that connection until now, but you're absolutely right.

622
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: Now it's like a metaphor for emerging from quarantine. Yeah,

623
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: we're coming out of our holes that we've been in

624
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: for which feels like seventeen years, but it's been over

625
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: a year. And then we'll probably have a mass meeting

626
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: of it. And we should definitely call like all the

627
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: babies that happens because of like after the quarantine, Yes,

628
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: one like mating, we should call them brute as.

629
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: They should be brute as.

630
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be That would be a great and

631
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: and yeah, that would be a great, a great name

632
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: for them, I think, the babies.

633
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: And they would share, they'll share. Oh and oh my god,

634
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: this is so perfect. It's like when nature is just poetic,

635
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: because you're going to share a birthday with millions of cicadas. Yeah,

636
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of cicada babies were born like well,

637
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: I guess not exactly, because they'll be conceived now, they'll

638
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: they'll there's gonna be like, n enough delay.

639
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: Quarantine has been long enough that there are you know,

640
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: conceived in quarantine babies.

641
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: That's true. That it's true. I thought there wasn't, like

642
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: there was expected a baby boom, but there wasn't because

643
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: people didn't feel like having a child. There the thunk

644
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: there might still be.

645
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: There might still be in the next but yeah, but

646
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: probably it was. It was a bit too depressing.

647
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: I think there's good. I think the celebratory we're out

648
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: of quarantine baby boom is gonna be much bigger. I

649
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: mean also because I think probably a lot of people

650
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: wanted to have children and then we're waiting until after

651
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: quarantine had so like I imagine a lot of them are

652
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: going to be planned pregnancies of like, hey, we're out

653
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: of quarantine now we can start our families. Yeah, exactly,

654
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: and so they're gonna be Yeah, it's it's beautiful. Your

655
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: babies are going to share a special a special year

656
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: with the millions of cicadas that are also going to

657
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: breathe this year. Yeah, Cicada generation a wonderful It's just

658
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. It's it's like a poem.

659
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: It's it's Yeah. They're synchronized, you know, much like the

660
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 3: cicadas themselves.

661
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: Now synchronized with the cicadas. So we're just gonna slowly

662
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: become more and more cicada like, uh so going. Yeah.

663
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: Another proposed theory for why they have such a long

664
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: brooding cycle is that it makes it hard for predators

665
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: to adapt to your weird intervals. So like, if you

666
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: are only like you only emerge every seventeen years, evolutionarily,

667
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of difficult for predators to have, Like they

668
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of predators don't have a lifespan

669
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: of seventeen years, so matching up with that and being

670
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: able to develop specific evolutionary traits to be able to

671
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: prey upon you is harder. Although some biologists disagree with

672
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: this theory, They say, like, well, there's actually a fungus

673
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: that has developed that can specifically prey upon these periodical cicadas,

674
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: So obviously there's you know, but I still think that like, yeah,

675
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: obviously fungus like probably because it's under the ground and.

676
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: Guy are terrifying.

677
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: They are, yeah, they they there's no defeating fung guy,

678
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: Like that's the final boss. Like we'd like to We're like, oh,

679
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: no cicadas, no cicadas, we don't have to worry about them.

680
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: Fungi that's what we got to worry about. Yeah, that's

681
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: what's that's the zombie virus is not gonna be a virus.

682
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a fungus.

683
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the most terrifying.

684
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: Like I think about how I'll walk outside and I'll

685
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: see mushrooms pop up out of nowhere one morning, and

686
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: then the next day they'll be gone, and I'm.

687
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: Like, how did you do that? How did you pop

688
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: up and then go away?

689
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: How? It's it's I I do not understand them. I

690
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 2: have respect for them.

691
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a fung guy expert as

692
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: much as I wish I was, But yeah, they they

693
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: there's something about them that spooks me because they're not

694
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: they're not an animal, but they're not really a plant either. Yeah,

695
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: they're in that in between zone of spookiness and yeah,

696
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: so especially the parasitic fungus like cordyceps. Yeah, spooky because

697
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: that goes inside an ant's brain or other insects make

698
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: uh like takes over their brain makes some climb up

699
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: of tree brands and then sprouts spores like right out

700
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: of their brain. That's what the Last of Us that game,

701
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: the video game about zombie apocalypse like that that the

702
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: Last of the Space there zombie infection on the cordyceps.

703
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: Oh really, Oh that makes sense.

704
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard about about the Last of Us, but

705
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: nobody has has told me that that that.

706
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds really cool.

707
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I really loved that aspect of the game.

708
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: It's like the biological meshing sort of these biological facts. Yeah,

709
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: they're they're the science fiction.

710
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: We we we kind of understand bacteria. We we kind

711
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: of understand viruses, but yeah, like fungi and like what

712
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: are they those things.

713
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: Are those things are?

714
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: Are?

715
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Those are the misfolded proteins that that just like, yeah,

716
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: causes a ruckets in your brain.

717
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: They don't like that.

718
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: But I do think, like, aside from from fun Guy,

719
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: which are not a fun guy get uh you know,

720
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: I think that that strategy of like if you lay

721
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: in wait for like seventeen years, yeah, like birds aren't

722
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: going to know what to do about you, Like their

723
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: live spans are typically not seventeen years. Long, so they're

724
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: not going to have any memory of these brooding events.

725
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: They're not going to know like when to come and

726
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: pray on you. So I think that maybe that is

727
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: part of the strategy. Interestingly, sometimes there are stragglers who

728
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: either come too early or too late to the big

729
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: brooding party. So it's not perfect. You know, nobody's perfect,

730
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: pobody's nerfect. And that applies to cicadas too.

731
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: I feel like i've heard them before. I've heard like

732
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: like a soul. Yeah, yeah, I feel like we get that.

733
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: Like we used to get the they're not actually June bugs,

734
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: but we call them June bugs in yeah, in California,

735
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: and like once or twice we would get a June

736
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: bug that was late.

737
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: My mom was like, oh sorry, dude, you're late.

738
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: It's not June anymore. And yeah, kaidas eat here. Sometime

739
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: you'd hear like one and it was just like, oh,

740
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: that's so sad.

741
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's like anybody is still out here. Yeah yeah.

742
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: But what's interesting is if there's enough stragglers, because there's

743
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: so many of them, even if you're a straggler, the

744
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: chance that there's going to be another straggler is pretty high,

745
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: so sometimes there are enough of them that they actually

746
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: successfully mate like a group of them, and then they

747
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: can get off sinc a little bit from the rest

748
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: of them, and that can actually start a new brood

749
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: that also they still have like the seventeen year cycle,

750
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: but because they're like off sync just a little bit,

751
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: they start like a different brood that will actually hatch

752
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: different years. So there are many different cicada broods, so

753
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: broodex is not the only one. There are cicada broods

754
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: that emerge every seventeen years. There are some that also

755
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: emerge every thirteen years, so slightly different species.

756
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know.

757
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: I've heard cicadas at times that weren't just that wasn't

758
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: just seventeen years ago.

759
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: Yes, because well, first of all, there's the cicadas that

760
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: aren't periodical bruders. So they there are around every year,

761
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: and they they don't do this behavior of waiting seventeen years.

762
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: They have like a yearly reproductive cycle. But you may

763
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: be saying, like, well, I've seen like mass emergence of

764
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: cicadas and it hasn't been seventeen years since I've seen it,

765
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: And that's because like they're they're on these different cycles.

766
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: So this is not it's not that this event only

767
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: happens every second seventeen years. This brood X is only

768
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna happen every seventeen years because their population is on

769
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: this schedule. But there are gonna be other staggered populations

770
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: of cicadas that are on different schedules. Yeah, so we

771
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: see these mass brewed emergence events every few years, and

772
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: so it's yeah, so if you're like, uh, oh, I'm

773
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: gonna miss this mass brood emergence, don't panic. There will

774
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: be another one and you won't have to wait seventeen years.

775
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: But if you want to see this specific brute event, yeah,

776
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: will have to wait another seventeen years. There's enough cicadas

777
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: for everyone, don't worry. Speaking of which, actually apparently I

778
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: read that cicadas tastes like canned asparagus really, which I

779
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: don't know what, like the the like Vinn diagram of

780
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: like people who have eaten cand asparagus and people who

781
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: have eaten cicadas. Who has both eaten cand asparagus yuck

782
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: and cicadas like, yeah, people have eaten both of them.

783
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: That they're like, oh, yeah, this is like the cand

784
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: asparagus that I eat like what.

785
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean liking asparagus is like a very specific

786
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: thing anyway, Like I think asparagus is Okay, it's not

787
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: my favorite. My sister loves it and she cooks it

788
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: a lot, and you know, sometimes they'll eat it if

789
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: she cooks it.

790
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 3: But but yeah, but I've never had it canned.

791
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

792
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: No, no, I I'm like you, like, I'll have like

793
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: roasted asparagus. I don't love it. It's a little too

794
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: fibrous for me. Yeah, also making your piecemeal weird, I'm

795
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: not Yeah, but like, but the but can't I couldn't

796
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: like eat it. Something about cannix asparagus just does not

797
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: peel to me at all. But then it's like, who's

798
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: eat Like I well, actually, you know what, I guess

799
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: it makes sense. The kind of person who would regularly

800
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: eat cand asparagus probably would eat a cicada just out

801
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: of curiosity.

802
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: They're already eating eating weird stuff, so yeah, right, why not?

803
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, what, look, once you've stooped to the

804
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: level of eating canned asparagus, why not just try a cicada?

805
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, is it like army rations or something?

806
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: Because or like survivalists because I do feel like, yeah, because.

807
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: That seems like like the kind of people who would

808
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 3: do it.

809
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: They'll be like, yeah, we eat bugs, We've also eaten

810
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, these canned vegetables.

811
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, like bugs are going to be the

812
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: meat of the future.

813
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I mean, like, yes, it grosses me out

814
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: to think about, Like I I it both I both

815
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: am like, oh, that's actually like a really good idea

816
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: to like make cricket flower or something like that, because

817
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: it's more readily available and it's you know, probably eat

818
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: safer and maybe even than probably more humane than like

819
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 2: factory farming and such.

820
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: But right, but also like the idea gross.

821
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, Like I'm like, yeah, no, we

822
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: should be probably eating more insects that would be more

823
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: ecologically good for the planet. Ah but yeah gross icky No.

824
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm like I.

825
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: I and I think it's entirely cultural. I don't think

826
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: there's any real logic to it. There are places where

827
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: people do eat insects and like it's totally normal and fine,

828
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: and they probably like are they probably look at our

829
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: food like they'd probably look at like a Carl's Junior

830
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: like burger and be like, what the hell, Like, yeah.

831
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 3: Exactly, No, it totally is cultural.

832
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: And I feel like there's yeah and and people and

833
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: you can like survive pretty well off of that.

834
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. But there's a Yeah, there's a guy that was

835
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: accidentally got stranded I think somewhere in Australia, like in

836
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: the desert brush area, and he survived by eating wichety grubs,

837
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: which are these big like sort of you know how

838
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: on The Lion King there's a scene where they like

839
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: teach them to eat big grubs. It's they're huge grubs

840
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: and they just look not super appealing to eat. But

841
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: people have been eat like for centuries. Uh, people have

842
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: been eating the witchity grubs as as a part of

843
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: like their diet, and they're they're perfectly good to eat.

844
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: And this guy survived by eating them. Uh And yeah,

845
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: I just it's it's totally cultural that we've we've been

846
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: brainwashed to reject insects as food. Yeah, but somehow be

847
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: okay with factory farming, which is a little messed up.

848
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is which is even grosser r.

849
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: Right exactly, Yes, it's way gross I think.

850
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: But like I don't like eating, Like I I eat meat.

851
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't eat a lot of meat. But like,

852
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: but like when I do, like, I don't like, I

853
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: don't think I would like to eat a cricket if

854
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: it looked like a cricket. Yeah, it could, But I

855
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: also don't like to eat meat that looks like the

856
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: animal that it is.

857
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: Like I feel like yeah, and I feel like for me,

858
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: that's a psychological thing, you know.

859
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm kind of the opposite. I almost like want to

860
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: know I'm just eating a buz glad.

861
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

862
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: I feel like if it's if you're like this cookie

863
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: was made out of ground up crickets, that's here, I've

864
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: roasted this cricket and it's like prepared it, and you know,

865
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, at least this is being honest with me.

866
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: That's true. I wouldn't want to be tricked into eating

867
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 3: it or anything.

868
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think I would rather. Also, I think

869
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: I'd rather eat a prepared bug than I would to

870
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: eat candasparagus. Absolutely, I'm not eating candasparagus.

871
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

872
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: I can't canned no or canned mushrooms too. I'd rather

873
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: eat a freshly prepared insect. Yeah. In terms of the Cicada,

874
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: the Cicada broodex, like, should we be concerned about this, like,

875
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: are you in imminent danger of having your face covered

876
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: in cicadas and then like you know, skeletonizing you. No,

877
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: cicadas are harmless to humans. They don't sting or bite.

878
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: They are allowed, So if you live near where this happening,

879
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: you might have some tough nights, but you know, they're

880
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: not They don't hurt humans. They also don't hurt they

881
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: don't really hurt the trees or crops or anything. They're

882
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: not like locusts. They don't destroy crops. They will suck

883
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: the juice out of tree twigs, which also doesn't really

884
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: hurt the trees that much. Like it seems actually to

885
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: just kind of like prune the trees. They don't really

886
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: do lasting damage to the trees. There are even some

887
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: arguments with that. Because they burst out these holes, it

888
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: helps aerate the soil and is actually good for the trees.

889
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: I feel like it's probably a net neutral because they

890
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: do suck some of the juices out of the roots,

891
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: and when they lay their eggs they actually like kind

892
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: of cut into the tree a little bit to like

893
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: stuff the eggs in, so they're secure there. So I

894
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: think it's probably just a neutral effect. On the trees.

895
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: But I have seen some arguments that it's actually beneficial,

896
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: so maybe. But either way, they're not harmful, So just

897
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: enjoy the big cicada party that happens only once every

898
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: seventeen years.

899
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: They're kind of the musical theater kids of the insect world,

900
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: which I mean I relate to as a musical theater kid.

901
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: They're they're really annoying, but they're harmless.

902
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

903
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't don't like, don't hate on them too much.

904
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: Just let them do their thing, you know. Yeah, like like,

905
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, you can find them annoying, but they're just.

906
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, they might be cosplaying as vampires, but

907
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: it's exactly like tomato juice.

908
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, they just want to hook up at the

909
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: cast party. You know, they just want to hook up

910
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: at the cast party. So let them have their little

911
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: their party full of you know, massage trains and.

912
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: And do you know, go back underground soon enough.

913
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. They'll they'll grow out of it, you know,

914
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: just as theater kids. Yeah, kind of kind of grow

915
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: out of the Yeah that's what they are. Cicadas are

916
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: the theater kids.

917
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure theater kids are going to be okay

918
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: with that comparison.

919
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm okay with it. And I'm a theater kid.

920
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. You're the president of theater kidd.

921
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: Oh God.

922
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: So we've talked about cicadas and their mass brooding events,

923
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: but they are not the only animal that does this.

924
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: Mar Are you familiar with sea turtle mass hatching events?

925
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: No, I'm not, but please tell me because I love turtles.

926
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: Yes, So, thousands of female sea turtles have this uncanny

927
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: ability to emerge from the ocean all at once to

928
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: lay their eggs at specific beaches. So there are all

929
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: of Ridley's sea turtles are one such species who will

930
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: emerge by the thousands to lay their eggs at select beaches, like, uh,

931
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: there's a beach called O'steonal in Costa Rica, and they

932
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: seem to specific select particular beaches to all come and

933
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: lay their eggs on mass. And because they're all coming

934
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: at the same time to lay their eggs, that means

935
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: the eggs will all hatch around the same time as well.

936
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

937
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: And so when these eggs hatch, they'll come out because

938
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: like they bury them in the sand and they have

939
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: each one has a clutch of I think a couple

940
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: dozen eggs, and then they'll all come out at the

941
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: same time, and the hatchlings will instinctively go towards the ocean,

942
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: possibly guided by light reflecting off of the water. Some

943
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: of them, like they'll come out during night and like

944
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: the moonlight reflecting off the water seems to be a

945
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: beacon for them. These turtles, even though there are so

946
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: many of them, actually surprisingly few will reach adulthood because

947
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: they're small and delicious, like little cinnamon buns, and so like,

948
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: there are lots of scabs and predators who wait for

949
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: these events. They know it's happening, and these are very

950
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: tasty treats for them because they're so defenseless and there

951
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: they don't they can't move that quickly, so when they emerge,

952
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: they have this very dangerous trek to the ocean. And

953
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: so having this mass hatching event again gives you safety

954
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: in numbers like you are, you know, you may not

955
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: make it to the ocean, but like you're much have

956
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: a much better chance if you're one of like thousands

957
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: and thousands of individuals. Then if it's just you coming out,

958
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: and then like a seagull's gonna immediately see you and

959
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: just snatch you up. So, yeah, these these mass turtle hatchings,

960
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: they happen all over the world, but like often these

961
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: populations of sea turtles prefer specific beaches, so they're often

962
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: these events that that people wait for these turtles to

963
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: hatch and watch them or like sometimes do that.

964
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, turtles.

965
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's quite something. I mean, the babies are

966
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: so cute. It's hard though, because like you know, a

967
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: lot of them aren't gonna make it so and you

968
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: can't you shouldn't interfere. Sometimes there are rescue groups that

969
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: will like h kind of try to help protect them

970
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: from like poaching and stuff. So but yeah, I mean

971
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: it is. It is quite something though. So you know,

972
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: watching a video of just like thousands of these turtles

973
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: just like kind of like ambling because they can't move

974
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: very well. Uh, they just kind of like use their

975
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: little flippers to like kind of push themselves forward, and

976
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: it's just.

977
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I like the little patterns that they leave

978
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 2: in the ground. Yeah, I'm looking at the little patterns

979
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: they leave, and it it does look like they're just

980
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: moving forward very very slowly, just pinching.

981
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: It's very cute.

982
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they're hustling you can tell they're hustling as

983
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: fast as they can. Unfortunately that's just not very fast. Yeah,

984
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, they really, they really try to gun it

985
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: to the ocean, but they can they can only move

986
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: so fast because they're these little, tiny, little, tiny like

987
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: sand dollar size things, and they yeah, it's but yeah,

988
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: you're right. The patterns they leave behind are quite beautiful.

989
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: But you may have heard of these sea turtle mass hatchings,

990
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: but there are also mass river turtle hatchings. Yeah, in

991
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: the Amazon rainforest. So in Brazil, on the Perus River

992
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: in the Amazon Rainforest, tens of thousands of baby array turtles,

993
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: also known as the giant South American river turtles will

994
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: hatch and make their way to the river. So similar

995
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: to the sea turtles, they are buried in the sand,

996
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: which keeps the eggs safe. Right, So if you're wondering, well,

997
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: why don't they just lay them in the ocean or

998
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: in the river, the eggs are gonna be just sitting

999
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: ducks or sitting eggs for anything to eat, So burying

1000
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: them and the sand keeps them safe. And so once

1001
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: they hatch, that is when the real trouble starts.

1002
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 3: So they say, giant, how giant, are they.

1003
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So as adults the babies are small, obviously cute

1004
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: little babies, but as adults they get up to about

1005
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds or ninety kilograms in weight. Those are

1006
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: the larger I think on average they don't reach that weight,

1007
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: but like those are some of the larger individuals, and

1008
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: their shells can grow to be over three feet longer

1009
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: over one meters long. So I think typically they're a

1010
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: little smaller, so more around like one hundred two hundred

1011
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: and fifty pounds and a little smaller shells, but they

1012
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: can get quite big. They're also I think as adults

1013
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: very cute. They have these long necks, and they have

1014
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: these little piggy noses, like little little piggy snouts. And

1015
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: then they also often like algae will grow on their shells,

1016
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: so I think they're really cool. Sometimes they get like

1017
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: these mohawks of algae growing on them. They're they're really

1018
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: interesting looking, very cool. And then the babies are adorable,

1019
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: but they face a very unfortunate odds. So in a

1020
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: protected area of the Peruse River, these turtles will hatch

1021
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: en mass. So in twenty twenty, ninety thousand baby turtles

1022
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: hatch just within a few days of each other. And

1023
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: if you think that's going to look like a huge

1024
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: pile of baby turtles, that is what it looks like.

1025
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: Wow.

1026
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, even though there's just so many of them, you'd

1027
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: think like, well, god, there must be like huge numbers

1028
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: of these turtles. Unfortunately, only about one percent of them

1029
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: will reach adulthood. So it truly is just a law

1030
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: of large numbers. Like you want to make as many

1031
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: babies as you can because their odds are so slim,

1032
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: and you just want to make sure that some of

1033
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: them will make it to adulthood.

1034
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 3: What are their predators, do you know? I mean there's

1035
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 3: a lot.

1036
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: Of different Yeah, for the sea turtles, there are a

1037
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: lot of like birds are a big one, but there

1038
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: are also plenty of small sharks like in the ocean

1039
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: that are really good predators. What about the river ones

1040
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: and the river ones again, I mean, there are a

1041
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: lot of skin averaging birds that fresh water birds that

1042
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: will pray for them. And then I'm pretty sure, uh,

1043
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of big fish in

1044
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: these rivers that are would be happy enough to eat them.

1045
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: There's also otters river otters I believe that live in

1046
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: the area.

1047
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, river otters are scary, Like I like, I

1048
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: like otters, but river otters are scary.

1049
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 3: They're they're yeah, they're serious.

1050
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: They're serious. Like you you think of the cute little

1051
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: sea otters. No, yeah, river otters are huge. They're like

1052
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: almost as tall, like they're as an adult man, and

1053
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: they they're long, they have huge teeth. They can take

1054
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: on crocodiles. They can like literally take on on gators

1055
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: and crocodiles and hold their own. So they're serious business.

1056
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that that is perhaps one of the

1057
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: cutest mass spawnings. But in terms of the biggest mass spawning,

1058
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: you have to go to the Great Barrier Reef. Yeah,

1059
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: the Great Barrier Reef is home to the largest mass

1060
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: spawning events in the world of coral. So, I know,

1061
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: coral looks like a plant or a rock, but they

1062
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: are living animals, which is mind blowing. They just don't

1063
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: they don't look like they should be alive. They look

1064
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: like a you know, they look like set dressing.

1065
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, my grandmother had a coral ring and it's weird

1066
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: to me now because I'm like that's almost like that's

1067
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: like closer to fur than.

1068
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: It is to like, you know, diamonds skeleton gems.

1069
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and it was a very pretty ring. But yeah,

1070
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: I think about it now and I'm like, oh, so

1071
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: weird that that was alive once.

1072
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and so coral are very much alive. They

1073
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: are Nigerians, which is the same philum as jellyfish and

1074
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: seeing enemies. So yeah, they're actually related to jellyfish and

1075
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 1: seeing enemies. They are often colonials, so that means they

1076
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: form these huge groups of many individual polyps. So a

1077
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: polyp is like just like one individual like you see

1078
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: if you see a big branching thing of coral, chance,

1079
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: are there like thousands of individual polyps or hundreds of

1080
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: individual polyps like on this piece of coral. Yeah, so

1081
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: a polyp generally speaking for coral is like a sort

1082
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: of oval structure. For some coral they look more like

1083
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: sort of a long flower with a stem. Some of

1084
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: them are more squat, some of them look sort of

1085
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: like a flower bulb. Some of them look more like

1086
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: pine cone shaped. But it's this is a living it's

1087
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: got it's a living animal with like living tissue and

1088
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: it eats. They'll they'll filter feed and they like will

1089
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: come out of this. These corals and like, uh, you know,

1090
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: use use their flowering organs to like catch prey and

1091
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: filter feed and just whatever is floating around. So, colonial

1092
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: polyps will often share sort of a base either formed

1093
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: by fibrous proteins or calcified materials. Uh, and so that

1094
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: will form these big, beautiful structures that you see in

1095
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: the barrier reef. There are two main types of coral.

1096
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: There are soft corals and stony corals. Soft coral you

1097
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: may not even realize their coral because they look they

1098
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: don't look hard. They are visibly soft. They look sort

1099
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: of like a bunch of sea an enemies or flowers.

1100
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: Is that this?

1101
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you have a picture of yellow ones and yeah,

1102
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: they look like they look like those.

1103
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: Bottle brush tree you know. Yeah things. Yeah they look

1104
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: like spiny but they look soft.

1105
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yes they are. They are softer. They don't generally

1106
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: have that like hard calcified skeletal structure. They're held together

1107
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: by jelly like tissues and they but they also do

1108
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: have some spiny structures that will support them.

1109
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, do they feel soft to touch?

1110
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so part of them would feel soft to touch,

1111
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: But the part of them that is the sort of

1112
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: like base that's holding them together is going to be

1113
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: a little more firm, sort of like spiny, like like

1114
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: tree branches. Right, but yeah, like the definitely the polyps

1115
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: themselves is going to be softer but hard. Coral is

1116
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: to feel hard. So the stony coral is the stuff

1117
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: that you probably think of when you think of coral.

1118
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: They look like mineral, more like a mineral than an animal,

1119
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: but they are alive. So there are a bunch of

1120
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: tiny polyps on stony coral skeletal structures. And like these

1121
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: polyps are, they're less sort of like flowery looking than

1122
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: soft corals. They're more a little more conical shaped, and

1123
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: they give like these stony corals a sort of harder,

1124
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: more rocky appearance.

1125
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 3: Right.

1126
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: And because often like these these polyps are very tiny,

1127
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: only like one to three millimeters, you can barely see

1128
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: each individual. It just looks like this rocky texture on

1129
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: like this coral. It doesn't look like there's a bunch

1130
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: of individuals. But if you zoom in, those little little

1131
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: bumps are actually like living polyps. And if you ever

1132
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: I have a visual eight formara here, you guys can

1133
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: check out the show notes and and see pictures of this,

1134
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: but I actually found because like I mentioned, I'm actually

1135
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: at my parents' house right now and I found this

1136
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: in the bathroom as a decoration. It's actually a a

1137
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: coral skeleton. So this is uh the uh, this is

1138
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: a stony coral and this is the calcified hard base

1139
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: of the skeleton that would home a bunch of little polyps.

1140
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna hold it up. Oh yeah, so you

1141
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: can see each of these little like they look like

1142
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: little holes or little divots. I don't know how much

1143
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: detail you can get from the camera.

1144
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 3: It was like little stars on it, Like they're not

1145
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 3: they're like little stars.

1146
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: Right, because that the little time like that was home

1147
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: to each of these polyps that had this like radial

1148
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: sort of branching structure. So each of those little like

1149
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: like feathery kind of star structures is where that that

1150
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: little polyp would have grown and have that like radial

1151
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: symmetry like a sea an enemy or like a jellyfish.

1152
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: But it was like a little individ and of course

1153
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: all that's left now is the hard calcified structure or

1154
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: the skeleton. So if you have decorative coral, that is

1155
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: a skeleton that you have basically, yeah, I think.

1156
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: We used to have I like because when you when

1157
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: I as soon as I saw that, I was like,

1158
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 2: that looks familiar. And I feel like we might have

1159
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: had that in my bathroom when we were little.

1160
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: Or like it's a common bathroom decoration, yeah, or like

1161
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: like on on in like a little display on top

1162
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: of the back, when we had like you had like

1163
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: the TV cabinet.

1164
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we had we had like.

1165
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: We had like potpourrie on one part of it, and

1166
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: we have but we had like pretty rocks and coral

1167
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: on there too, yeah, or maybe like my grandparents had it. Yeah,

1168
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: I feel like that was that was a very kind

1169
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: of seventies eighties decoration exactly.

1170
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And so it's it was kind of fun

1171
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: neat because I was like thinking about this episode and

1172
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: like and I was just like, you know, doing my

1173
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: business in the bathroom. We don't need to go in

1174
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: detail there. But I saw this like on a shelf,

1175
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, hey, yeah, That's what I'm talking

1176
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 1: about today.

1177
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1178
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, because corals are often huge colonies with hundreds

1179
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: of thousands of individual polyps, and the Great Barrier Reef

1180
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: is one of the world's largest coral systems with over

1181
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: six hundred distinct coral species. There are millions and millions

1182
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: of individual polyps in the Great Barrier Reef by my

1183
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: rough calculation. When it is a coral species time to spawn,

1184
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: it gets buck wild in the ocean. So coral are sessile,

1185
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: which is just a way of saying they're immobile. They

1186
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: spend their whole time just kind of staying still, you know,

1187
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: just like we've been on quarantine. We've been sessile on

1188
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: our couches. And so having sex is a problem because

1189
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: how do you have sex and reproduce when you can't

1190
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: really move. So they will release sperm and egg packets

1191
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: into the water, and if these sperm and egg packets

1192
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: just happen to bonk into each other, they will fertilize

1193
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: and form an embryo. So in order to maximize the

1194
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: chance of successful fertilization, they have to synchronize because like

1195
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: if you just like send out your egg or your

1196
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: sperm packet and then it's like nobody else is doing it,

1197
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: maybe one person like way far away is doing it,

1198
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: the chances are going to bunk into each other is

1199
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: like pretty minimal if everyone's doing it. It's a blizzard

1200
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: of sperm and egg packets, and the chance that you're

1201
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: going to bunk into something and get it fertilized is

1202
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: very high, and so that's what they do. It's this

1203
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: blizzard of coral sperm and eggs, and it's super colorful.

1204
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: So uh, like coral, as you know, are very pretty,

1205
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: very colorful, and so you wouldn't even guess that it's

1206
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: such a such dirty business going on here because it

1207
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: comes in these colors of like yellows and pinks. Uh,

1208
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: and it's like this flurry. Uh, it looks like a

1209
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: magical enchanted blizzard, but you know that's a it's coral

1210
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: sex junk happening.

1211
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1212
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 2: There's a photo that I'm looking at here where there's

1213
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: like there's like coral spawning and it looks it's like

1214
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 2: like it's like really beautiful. You could put it up

1215
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: as like a photograph like in your home as as

1216
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: a decoration. And then there's another one and there's a

1217
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: diver in the middle of it and he looks a

1218
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: little like, Okay, what did I get in the middle

1219
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: of here?

1220
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: Y'es? Oh? Oh you guys, yeah, guys, just come on. Yeah, yeah,

1221
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a snow globe. Like you turn

1222
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: in the snow globe and you see all these like

1223
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: big sort of like things of snow, except like it's

1224
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 1: pink and yellow and it's you know, coral sex goo. Yeah,

1225
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: once they fertilize, says, we'll create new coral polyps. You

1226
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: can actually look like there's an aerial photo too, like

1227
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: that shows these like mass coral embryos that creates like

1228
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: this pink film on the ocean and look like someone

1229
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: just like spilled a bunch of pink ink in the oation.

1230
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Uh, it's just but it also like shows

1231
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: you the scale of this event. It's just huge, huge

1232
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: number of uh any coral just making babies.

1233
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 3: And how often does this happen?

1234
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 1: I think this is a yearly event. I'm not sure

1235
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: if like every species does it every year, but they

1236
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: like it's staggered enough that this happens relatively often. So

1237
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 1: should we be worried about this? Not really? I mean

1238
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: unless you are a fish in a lagoon during an

1239
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: unfortunately timed weather storm that causes coral sex goop to

1240
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: rain down in your home and literally suffocate you, which

1241
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: actually happened nine years ago in a lagoon and an

1242
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: atoll in the Cocos Island in the Indian Ocean, a

1243
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: fluke storm blew a bunch of coral spawn into a

1244
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: lagoon system, which consumed oxygen, and then the decaying coral

1245
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: polyps released methane, which made the water unbreathable by the fish,

1246
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: who suffocated and died on mass. So sometimes, hey, coral

1247
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: sex does kill.

1248
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

1249
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like getting caught up in like somebody else's drama.

1250
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, yeah.

1251
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, someone like it shows you a text, like

1252
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: between them and someone they're singing, and it's like they

1253
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: expect you to resolve the drama. It's like, no, yeah,

1254
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a fish in your coral right.

1255
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 3: That's a great way to tell them. Now, I'm not

1256
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 3: fish in your coral sex lagoon. Okay, they'll know what

1257
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 3: you mean you, they'll know, they'll know they should If

1258
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 3: they don't, you don't want to be their friend.

1259
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: Anyway, exactly exactly. I mean, like if they're if they're

1260
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: making you be a fish in their coral sex agon,

1261
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: that's to get out of there. You got those toxic ties. Yeah. Well,

1262
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: I think we've covered probably as many mass spawning events

1263
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: as I can tolerate in one episode. But yeah, it's

1264
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: it's a it's look, it's the beautiful cycle of life

1265
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: which sometimes happens. And buy the millions. But before we go,

1266
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: I do want to do a listener email that was

1267
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: in response to last week's episode, which is about bunnies.

1268
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: Mar you missed the bunnies, miss the bunnies by one

1269
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: by one week, so instead you had the mass cicada

1270
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: sex episode.

1271
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's still interesting to me and I

1272
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: and I got turtles, which I like.

1273
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 3: So that's true. That's true too.

1274
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: Massive baby turtles. Yes, a lot of them are gonna die,

1275
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: but hey, it's.

1276
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 3: But they're cute while they last. Yeah, it's it's an

1277
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: ephemeral thing.

1278
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, enjoy, enjoy the turtles every moment.

1279
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 1: Don't think about the turtles of the future, think about

1280
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: the baby turtles of the now.

1281
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like that those those you know what

1282
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Speaker 2: are those like the mandalas that they'll make in sand?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, think about think about the beautiful patterns that the

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Speaker 3: turtles making sand and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and enjoy and yeah yeah, yeah that's that's you know,

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Speaker 1: so it goes, yeah, well, here is this very nice,

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Speaker 1: uh not deadly email. Hi Katie, I'm a longtime listener

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Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed your lagomorph episode. I am a

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Speaker 1: bunny owner and an ecologist and really appreciated the love

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Speaker 1: you give to these underappreciated fluff balls. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to tell you a few cool things that I've learned

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Speaker 1: about pet domestic rabbits. First, they can be letterbox trained

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Speaker 1: fairly easily and successfully, especially if they're a spade or neutered.

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Speaker 1: I think in the show I threw a little bit

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Speaker 1: of shade at bunnies. I said that you can try

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Speaker 1: to litter box train them, but I think it's sort

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Speaker 1: of on whether they want, whether they feel like it

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Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, but apparently it's look Maya Kolpa. Apparently

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Speaker 1: bunnies will fairly readily poop in a litter box. That's

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Speaker 1: good to know.

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Speaker 2: They seem very stubborn domestic. Every domestic bunny I've met

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Speaker 2: has has been like I have a mind of mind.

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Speaker 3: Like people think cats are hard to control. Bunnies yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh but yeah, but it's a whole new Like cats

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Speaker 1: are sort of like a little bit but they're they're

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Speaker 1: coy and playful about it, where they're like, oh maybe

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Speaker 1: will I won't I but they do. They do love

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Speaker 1: you and they but like bunnies. Yeah, they're like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you think you're gonna get me to do something? Uh

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, I'll kick you in the face and pee

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Speaker 1: on you. Yes, exact exactly. Although although the listener does

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Speaker 1: admit that there will be an occasional misplaced bunny poop,

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Speaker 1: so hey yeah, she writes that the secret is to

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Speaker 1: put hay in or next to the litter box so

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Speaker 1: they can eat while they poop or pete luxury luxurious living.

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Speaker 1: Once litter trained, the bunnies can roam in an area

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Speaker 1: of the house freely after some bunny proofing. The House

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Speaker 1: Rabbit Society has lots of information on how to do this.

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Speaker 1: I also just wanted to mention a few other super

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Speaker 1: cute bunny behaviors. When they are very excited, bunnies will

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Speaker 1: do a jump and a shake their bodi's mid air,

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Speaker 1: which is called a binkie, And when they are very relaxed,

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Speaker 1: they will dramatically flop over on their side.

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Speaker 3: Wow, so cute.

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Speaker 1: I actually had a cat named Binkie and he was

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Speaker 1: he was pretty rabbit like because he was very scared.

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Speaker 1: He never killed anything and would run away. And one time,

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Speaker 1: this is in high school, and I came home and

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01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: I was, you know, frustrated with school, so drop my

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Speaker 1: books on the floor and across the room. I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize the cat was there, and so he jumped like

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Speaker 1: a like three meters into the areas. It's so funny,

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Speaker 1: poor thing. And then then the listener shared some beautiful

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Speaker 1: pictures of the bunnies which are just for me, So

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Speaker 1: sorry about that. But oh and then and then she writes,

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Speaker 1: I also especially appreciated your bee episode. I did my

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01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: master's degree studying native bees in Ontario, so I appreciate

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01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: it when bee species other than honey bees get a mention.

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Speaker 1: And this is from Emma. Thank you so much, Emma

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Speaker 1: for your kind words and for your bunny facts. So

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Speaker 1: I take it back. Bunnies can be litterbox trained, but again, hey,

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Speaker 1: look when they want to, like if they there may

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Speaker 1: be a poop once in a while, You're just gonna

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01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: have to deal with it, right.

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Speaker 3: Don't pretend like you can control the bunnies.

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: No, you can't control a bunny.

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Speaker 3: Control the bunnies no, no, they are.

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Speaker 1: They are those strong back legs they can they can

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Speaker 1: slap you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I have a friend who has bunnies, and she says

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Speaker 2: that they they when they're pissed off at you, they'll

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01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: turn their back on you and kick with their back legs.

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01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 3: They'll kick you. Yeah.

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01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:11,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, which.

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Speaker 3: I love you is is I love that about them.

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Speaker 2: It's just like I love you bunnies for being for

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01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: being like they hey, screw you with their back legs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I like that they stand up for

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Speaker 1: themselves because like we have the sense of like, oh,

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: they're just a little floppy bunnies. They don't they're helpless

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01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: frightened rabbits. Yeah yeah, no, I mean it's more like

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Speaker 1: the Peter Rabbit level of like defiance.

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Speaker 3: They Yeah. My sister was bitten by a bunny once oof.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They got strong teeth, they do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. She said she had to get a Titanish shot

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01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 3: after oof.

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, because oh yeah, because their teeth are so long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: She said the shot hurt more than the bite, but

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Speaker 3: it was still very very strange.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, basically the bunny is responsible for the

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: shot too, exactly. Insult and injury to injury. Yeah, yeah, no,

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01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: bunny is a serious Like I know, bunnies are cute.

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01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily discourage having bunnies as a pet, but

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Speaker 1: if you want one, definitely look into it because I

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01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: would say they are one of the harder pets, Like

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Speaker 1: they're harder than a cat or a dog. Yeah, I

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01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: would say, so, yeah, just just check it out because

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01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of special care you have to do.

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Speaker 1: Uh My, I had a friend who had a bunny

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01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: and again, like I would pet it and then when

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01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: it wanted me to stop, it would kick me and

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01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: pee on me like it was a mail And I

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01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: think they like to flick urine, so they so he

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01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: would kick me and flick you on me. And I

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01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I think I'll stick with cats

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01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 1: and dogs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can predict they're more productive.

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01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: I only sometimes get kicked by my dog, and that's

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01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: usually on Yeah, my.

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01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 2: Cat will will you know, they'll go away or maybe

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01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 2: they'll hit me or bite me lightly if I'm annoying them.

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01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, okay, all right, we'll stop petting you.

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01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. My dog loves belly rubs, but like once

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01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: it's like she's got a very specific. You have to

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01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,839
Speaker 1: pet her very specifically, and if you stop, like she

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01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: she looks so sweet and angelic. But then if you

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01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: pet her wrong, like suddenly the little Chihuahua demon face

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01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: comes into play and it's oh my god, she's like,

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01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: it's really funny. Satan takes over. Yeah. Well, Mara, thank

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Speaker 1: you so so much for joining me. It's truly been

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01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on. Big thank you, big

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: fan of you, big fan of your your Twitter and

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01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: and your articles, and so I am you know, trying

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01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: to keep the fangirling.

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01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 3: To a minute.

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01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I I love your stuff, and I

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 2: feel like and I love learning about things that that

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01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot about.

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01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: So this is really cool to me. This is really fascinating.

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01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you could learn about. And I'm

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01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 1: sorry about all the about all the coral perversion.

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01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 2: It's it's fine, it's fine. I'll give them their space.

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01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not gonna king shame them.

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01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if they if if you're like in a

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 1: lagoon and they foist their kink upon you in the

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01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: that's a yeah, but it is problematic.

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 3: You were wandering into their space.

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01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: Yes, but that was like that. I just there's like

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01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 1: a freak storm that dispensed all of this coral sexcw

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01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: on these poor fish. It's like it's like the like

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01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: a disaster movie, except a lot of corel coral eggs

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01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: and sperm. Attack of the killer coral, attack of the

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01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: killer coral coral baby's attack sounds like there might be

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: a plane, Yeah there is? Or is it a storm

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01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: of coral stuff?

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01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 3: We've angered the coral. We've angered the coral guards. Gods.

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01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, now there's just gonna be a cyclone of like

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01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: coral sperm. Sorry.

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01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh well, well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again for coming on. Where can people find you?

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01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 3: Thanks? They can find me at Mara Wilson on Instagram

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01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 3: and Twitter. I also have a cameo.

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01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 2: I I do videos where I will talk about you

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01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: know anything, my cats or cookie recipes or cicadas what I.

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01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 3: Know about Yeah, and those are really fun to make.

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01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 3: I have a newsletter at Mara.

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Speaker 2: Dot substock dot com called chet We Tell the Vicar

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Speaker 2: because I come up with.

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Speaker 3: Names for fake British TV shows. Nice them every time.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to put you on the spot, but

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01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: can you can you?

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01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 3: I can? I can?

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01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can there's uh, I'm just here to do

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01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: the hoovering. There's that one the mission quigly bubble and squeak.

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01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: You know that's perfect.

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01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's and and sometimes it's kind of

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01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 2: hard to tell which ones are real and which ones.

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01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: Are Oh yeah, no, I would believe it. If it's

1454
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: like like I'm just here to do the hoovering, I

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01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: would totally think it was one real one. That's great

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Speaker 1: And you can find the show on the internet at

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01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: Creature Feature Pod on Instagram at Creature feet Pod on Twitter.

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01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: That's f e A T, not f e E T.

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01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: That is something very different. You can also send me

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Speaker 1: an email at Creature Featurepod at gmail dot com with

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Speaker 1: all your questions, bunny pictures, choral questions. If you have

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01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: a problem with cicadas making loud sex noises, just let

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Speaker 1: me know send me an email. Uh, And I'm Katie Golden.

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01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: You can find me at Katie Goolden on Twitter, where

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01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 1: I just post all my Katie thoughts and as always

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Speaker 1: I'm also pro bird rights or is pro bird rights?

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Speaker 3: Me?

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01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: Am I birds? We'll find out on Twitter. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for listening. If you enjoyed the show, and

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Speaker 1: I don't judge, even if you're listening it in like

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Speaker 1: a choral sex lagoon. That's fine. Not here to judge you,

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