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Speaker 1: Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and Gentlemen, Welcome to QLs Classic Episode twenty four with

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Speaker 1: Persuer May twenty seventeen. He's one of the brightest stars

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Speaker 1: of the post MJ generation and we get to chop

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Speaker 1: it up with Usher about his life growing up in

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Speaker 1: the spotlight, not to mention to the pressures of keeping

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Speaker 1: that light bright. We get confessional about doing it his way.

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Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy Usher QLs Classic.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Supremo Supremo. Roll Call, Suprima Supremo. Roll Call, Suprima, Supremo.

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Speaker 2: Roll Suprima, supremos Que.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, st yeah, l O v E Yeah, roll roll

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Speaker 1: the name. I got so many tricks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I should have won that oscar for in the mix.

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Speaker 4: Some real.

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Speaker 1: Sugar, Sugar Steve. Yeah, this is my confession. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: love we already that st roll call Supremo Supremo. Role

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Speaker 1: this boss Bill. Yeah, I'm about to have some fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've been away for a while. Yeah, I had to

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Speaker 1: get the guns roll.

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Speaker 4: Bill.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so what's the deal. Yeah, I've been watching The

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Speaker 5: West Wing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real Supreme.

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Speaker 2: Supreme roll Supremo, Supremo roll.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm already caught up. Yeah, my bo was Usher. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I don't give a fun.

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Speaker 2: Supremo roll.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Suprema, Yeah Supremo. My name is Yeah, I'm here

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Speaker 3: with Team Supreme.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What y'all doing in here? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Man, I don't know what the hell.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Suprema.

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Speaker 4: So Supremo. Role called Supremo, Supremo roll call Supremo.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Supremo roll. That was cool. Yes, we made it,

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Speaker 1: We did it. I'll admit that Usher is the first guess,

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Speaker 1: of course Love Supreme to actually have known of the

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Speaker 1: theme before it was unleashed. You know, for those that

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Speaker 1: are wondering about the themes, we never tell our guests

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Speaker 1: what the theme is, like, we just you know, I was.

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Speaker 3: Trying to think some funny ship to say the whole time,

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Speaker 3: wrote down a whole bunch of shit that I didn't

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Speaker 3: use them.

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Speaker 1: Like you, just writing words like maybe if I just

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Speaker 1: have a few catch words, it'll just come to me somehow,

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Speaker 1: some way. Some of the best moments of quest Love

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Speaker 1: Supreme is when we mess up. Well, in case you

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Speaker 1: haven't guessed, ladies and gentlemen, uh, in the ongoing tradition

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Speaker 1: of adding members to the roots as if they're not

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Speaker 1: enough uh members already. I think ushers is going to

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Speaker 1: be probably remember number seventeen were still yeah growing out.

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Speaker 7: I want residuals on everything.

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Speaker 1: In line with the rest of the roots. Son. No,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome. Friend of the show, uh,

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Speaker 1: friend of the roots, friend of of music, music, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of music, Usher, Aloisious Raymond the Fourth. What's your middle names?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you know, like they're killing

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Speaker 1: they're killing all my Cosby dreams, But I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like Field's middle name, Aloisious Huxtable. Really you didn't know that?

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Speaker 7: What's what's the symbolic meaning or word that wording?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It just means that you put a

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Speaker 1: lot of thought into the middle name if you need.

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Speaker 7: That's what I mean I'm saying it.

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Speaker 3: Could it could be like attached somewhere to like the

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Speaker 3: family roots or something.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if I don't know the person, I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying that you. I mean, you're first of all. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, please welcome Usher Ring.

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Speaker 7: We got right, so you said it just as it is.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a middle name for real. No, I

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Speaker 3: don't have a middle name, Usher, Raymond, the four.

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Speaker 1: I not know how many people our fourths there you go,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about it, like, yeah, that means you're you're

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Speaker 1: your grant, your whole linears escaped. Hell, I know, I know, yeah, joking,

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Speaker 1: but serious? Who your son is five?

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Speaker 6: Who was the first usher?

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Speaker 7: What did he do first? I mean he worked in

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Speaker 7: the theater, I guess.

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Speaker 6: I don't know theaters back then.

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Speaker 3: In my mind, I'm like, obviously, no, we all were

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Speaker 3: obviously given names by our slave owners, so you know,

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Speaker 3: or either within the trade of what it is that

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Speaker 3: was significant in that time. So I think that maybe

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: But late on that joke, like.

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Speaker 1: I don't even have a sound effect.

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Speaker 7: So my entire career, you thought it was a joke,

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Speaker 7: Like my name really wasn't.

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Speaker 9: No, No, No, I knew Usher was your name, but I

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Speaker 9: didn't think about Usher being a given name and it

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Speaker 9: really being like maybe it was somebody who was the

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Speaker 9: usher in church from back in the day, or we.

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Speaker 7: Just know they were having church back then.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, They're using.

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Speaker 6: That's how we found Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so, even though your freestyle on this, I

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Speaker 7: Probably how that's some truth to it. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I become curious within the last two years.

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, I did I did, like

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Speaker 7: about to say you did, I.

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Speaker 3: Did the twenty three and me and also to have

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Speaker 3: been doing a lot of you did that? Yeah, why

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Speaker 3: not necessarily with you knowet it. But but the point

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Speaker 3: is just to understand where I come from.

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Speaker 1: What are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm West African? We all are, isn't that true? I

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Speaker 3: mean the research that comes back on every person that

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Speaker 3: I've had, like West or either you.

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Speaker 7: Haven't chosen to look have you?

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Speaker 1: I have not not yet yet.

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Speaker 7: That's good because that gives you an opportunity to do something.

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Speaker 10: The initial I'm scared of giving DNA like it just

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Speaker 10: feels like I feel like I've given DNA.

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Speaker 1: And opportunity to kill the next I'm kind of fucked up,

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Speaker 1: But but I have looked at it. I'm you got

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Speaker 1: some kids off the books, you know, did.

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Speaker 5: You give DNA to make money many years ago?

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Speaker 10: At some point I give DNA I gave plaid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was real. It was a rough time, but

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Speaker 1: you know I got it back. You know, I got

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Speaker 1: the blood. You got a TV back center. It was real.

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Speaker 1: Bumpings his first album on my Way to the Clinic, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did that test and uh I found out they

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Speaker 1: told me that both my parents were from Sierra Leon.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna I'm gonna do Skip. Gates is one.

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Speaker 1: Uh he had a show on PBS.

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Speaker 9: I guess Henry Lewis Gates Henry Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, or to.

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Speaker 3: Just kind of at least have some track. I mean,

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Speaker 3: none of us are, you know, pure blood from Africa.

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Speaker 3: There were a lot of different places that kind of

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Speaker 3: were mentioned in My My Pie Tricks, because there's like

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Speaker 3: a pie trick that they give you and you kind

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Speaker 3: of look and then you can determine, like where you

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Speaker 3: want to go from there with it, Like, say you

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Speaker 3: decide you want to go back to that village, what's

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Speaker 7: What's what is? What truth?

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Speaker 3: Will you find there? Where you find the village that

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Speaker 3: lot of the places that we would go, they've now

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Speaker 3: English is now applied. The true tongue of the place

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Speaker 7: You know, potential people.

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Speaker 3: But for the most part, they also to have been

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Speaker 7: Right, it's been cut well.

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Speaker 1: I strongly recommend that you need to cut it. I

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Speaker 1: know this way too well, you need to cut it.

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Speaker 1: I strongly recommend that you contact Henry Lewis Gates because

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Speaker 1: like the level, the thorough level of research they do.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna like for those who don't know, like, uh,

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Speaker 1: I guess for four or five seasons they were doing

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Speaker 1: like all the black celebrities because of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get a glorious story out of that. But

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Speaker 1: then when they did the Afflecks, once they started doing

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Speaker 1: white people, Henry said that we're gonna have to to

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Speaker 1: tell you the truth of yes, yes, yeah, And it

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Speaker 1: was just that Ben Affleck in casey Afflecks family, they

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Speaker 1: came from a lineage of like some probably the meanest

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Speaker 1: slave owners on They ran Candyland, for real and real Candyland.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, they didn't want that

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Speaker 1: just like, well, I'm canceling the show then if you

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the fact that technology has now allowed

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Speaker 3: us to investigate our own lineage.

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Speaker 7: And that's good.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying schools because schools back when

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Speaker 7: Books, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So still, but I'm saying, like the gross perpetuation of

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Speaker 3: You can't who's gonna talk to you? Or we should

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Speaker 3: talk about it doing Black History Month? Well, why the

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Speaker 3: fuck should we relegate our entire history to a fucking month?

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Speaker 1: You serious? Enough? Like, how about how about how about.

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Speaker 3: We take the time to get the information ourselves, or

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Speaker 3: either at least do some investigation along the lines, even

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Speaker 7: Who knows it might it might or might not be true.

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Speaker 3: But the point is it's information, and I'm happy. I'm

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Speaker 3: happy that somebody decided to do that. But why is

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Speaker 3: it that we as black people didn't come together and

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Speaker 3: figure the shit out by ourselves, Because and say, listen,

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Speaker 3: let's put let's put this money together to begin, like,

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Speaker 3: let's do a collective, right, We'll go around, You'll go

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Speaker 3: to any motherfucking church in the world, and there's a

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Speaker 3: collection plate there to keep that stopicility going. But we

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Speaker 3: even understand our lineages and begin to like build ourselves up,

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Speaker 3: build our state.

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Speaker 1: That's that's why I asked you, how did you feel

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Speaker 1: when you got the information back? I felt great. I

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Speaker 1: felt great. I released like, oh I came from somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't think people understand the fact. That's what

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Speaker 1: I was about to say. I don't think people I

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Speaker 1: most because I grew up in a time period where

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Speaker 1: if you called me African African booties crab, that was

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Speaker 1: like you get to class, not really so no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that in the early seventies when you

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Speaker 3: Hip hop though, because hip hop made me appreciate Africa.

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Speaker 3: That's because you were born what you was born seventy eight.

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Speaker 3: Well by that they were manipulating your mind to celebrate

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that those seven years between you and

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Speaker 3: Like, but did you travel to Africa when you were

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Speaker 1: You were but they are like the world, the world.

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Speaker 7: So my point is you were being manipulated.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I ain't telling you nothing that's rhetorical, but

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Speaker 3: y'all were They were courageous as hell to even have

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Speaker 7: Then it was drugs. Then it was the opulence of drugs.

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Speaker 9: And then some of our artists that came from that era,

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Speaker 10: And then they realized, oh man, this is a trap, which.

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Speaker 9: But that was the argument with some of the public

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Speaker 6: We got to protect dog brand. But meanwhile it was

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Speaker 9: It was like, ah, but I'm just it's just interesting

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Speaker 7: Interesting protecting if you want to talk.

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Speaker 6: About that, I mean, if you want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: It being as though you're you're in Atlanta Native Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna sound like the cliche, but I want to

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Speaker 7: You're gonna take you way back.

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Speaker 1: So were the hits. So you were born in Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: I was born in Dallas, Texas. Really, I was born

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Speaker 3: in Dallas, Texas. Fort Worth, Yes, fort Worth, Texas, which is.

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Speaker 1: Dallas, Dallas, Texas on usher Riem in the fourth. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How long did you live in Dallas?

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Speaker 7: A year?

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Speaker 3: I mean that's why a lot of people were born

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Speaker 7: So and that's where I was actually from.

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Speaker 3: But my mother and father went to Dallas, Texas to

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Speaker 7: He played basketball.

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Speaker 3: She you know, she was she played basketball as well,

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Speaker 1: Played ball.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, my mother played basketball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in a college way, like, oh, neither

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Speaker 7: High school, high school. My father would have.

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Speaker 3: Went on to have played basketball. He was an incredible

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Speaker 7: But they moved to Dallas. They had me.

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Speaker 3: Relationship was obviously, you know, not able to survive. And

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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, were any of them musically inclined or it

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Speaker 7: But which is most which is the case?

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Speaker 3: So that that's another story about we're talking about history.

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Speaker 1: It kind of figure at least between like up to ten,

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Speaker 1: who was the guy you could talk to you about

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of uncles, so my uncle Darryl,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but but yeah, man, you know, I didn't really

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Speaker 7: I was actually pulling from the lack thereof.

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Speaker 7: And I'm telling me raptors around, So you understand.

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Speaker 7: They preserved the idea of what.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to. I don't want to.

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Speaker 7: I'm Georgia. I was like, actually, so you're not from Georgia. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: And that was the beginning. And it was like, you

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Speaker 7: He has eight? He has a deeper understanding.

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Speaker 7: I was like, all right, okay, cool A teaching you?

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Speaker 1: So at what point are you finding your your voice,

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Speaker 3: It was my mother, My mother, she was a you know,

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Speaker 3: just because you know you my son. Of course, I

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Speaker 10: One question, ohld you talk about just singing a question?

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00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 10: Your first vocal coach? Yeah, apparently she had break down

442
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 10: like certain songs and you have to learn the harmonies

443
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 10: and it was like really advanced.

444
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeahuff talk about that all right.

445
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 3: So she made me listen to Take six.

446
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: And she would say, how old are you at this point?

447
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm about well, the first Take six record came out

448
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: that was eighty eight.

449
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'm fourteen.

450
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 3: I'm fourteen, And I mean I didn't have a vocal

451
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: coach as an artist until I was signed, right, That's

452
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: when it really started. But before I didn't really need one,

453
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I mean, I don't think

454
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 3: I was perfect, but singing all the time repetition basically

455
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 3: began to prepare me for it, and anything that was

456
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 3: on the radio, I would try to beat it so

457
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 3: if I could sing better than it or either ad

458
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 3: libbing between little spots to kind of make it my own.

459
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: I do that, but I was singing it to the

460
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 3: tune like exactly the way that it was.

461
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: Gotcha. You know what, I have a theory about Usher,

462
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: which is it was there was I think this is

463
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,719
Speaker 1: when you make me want. A video came out and

464
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: we were like we were in the studio recording and

465
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: the video came on the monitor, like the volume was

466
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: down whatever, and my manager rich Uh said that you

467
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: know what you're watching is He said that Usher was

468
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: the beneficiary of the first of the what I call

469
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: the VCR generation. And I was trying to figure out

470
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: what he meant, and he was like, you see the

471
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: mechanical way he's dancing, And I was if you remember

472
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: the way, like how mechanical the dancing Wasn't you make

473
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: me wanna? He was basically explained to me that Usher

474
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: grew ut and like did that is what I always

475
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: wanted to ask. Did Motown twenty five have an effect

476
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: on you? Did you see it? The first time he

477
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: came So, I mean it came on in eighty three,

478
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: so I guess you were like five or six, Like,

479
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: did that performance mean anything to you? Because basically what

480
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: he was trying to say was that in your formative

481
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: years of getting entertainment, you had a VCR to keep

482
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: rewinding and watching over because it.

483
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: Was more important to my cousins and my older.

484
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: Trickle down, Like it wasn't a first thing with you

485
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: with No, I wasn't it. But I would have never

486
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: guessed that in the skillion years.

487
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: Well, everybody loved Michael Jackson, but that was that was

488
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 3: just off of you know, Off the Wall and all that.

489
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: So I could appreciate Off the Wall a little bit

490
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: later in my life, and he wasn't really the person

491
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: who influenced me. Michael Jackson overall was as a presence

492
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: because he was the biggest, right, But it was guys

493
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: like Bobby Brown that connected.

494
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, you know what I'm saying.

495
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: And yes, looking back at that, it was special to me,

496
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: but it was like I can't I can't obtain that,

497
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: I can't reach that. That's not that that doesn't necessarily

498
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: I can emulate it. I love thrillers. I was deal

499
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: with everybody watching thriller right, and that that phase, Yes,

500
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: everybody was completely crazy fanatic over Michael Jackson.

501
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 7: But even still, I was trying. I was trying.

502
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: I tried to emulate what I knew I was, and

503
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: I was more of a street dancer and a singer.

504
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: And I listened to New Audition Bobby Brown and in

505
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: that world.

506
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, just saying from the fact

507
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: that no, I'm just saying that you none of your

508
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: experiences are firsthand church you know, uh, talent shows.

509
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, that started.

510
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: Well, I just meant in terms of like radio plays

511
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: a big part of your experiences, whereas like a lot

512
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,479
Speaker 1: of the people that traditionally.

513
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 7: Start my ship was Donnie Simpson.

514
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: I'm saying, so it's like that was my generation, right,

515
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: I'm from Yeah, Sherry Carter and Donnie Simpson. That was

516
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: my generation. And that's basically how I made the connection.

517
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: But dance was it the thing like mom, I want

518
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: to sing and all this thing. It was just like, oh, yeah,

519
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: I could do that. I can dance. But I mean,

520
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: were you thinking, like eleven, that's what I want to

521
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: be when I grow up?

522
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: Like it was Michael that made me feel like, that's

523
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: what I want to do. It was Bobby Brown that

524
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 3: made me feel like that's what I can do.

525
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: So Bobby Brown was more accessible to you everybody, So

526
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: he's your hero. Yeah, wow, damn. Now I want to

527
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: get your feelings on the New Edition movie. So at

528
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: what point are you, I mean, at what point does

529
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: this become a thing where you become serious about it?

530
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: Because you you the first group was when you were

531
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: like eleven, right, eleven and twelve. I was twelve, Well,

532
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: talk about that experience.

533
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 3: So there was a they were youth anti uh, they

534
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 3: were anti youth drug group who came to high schools

535
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: to talk about drug abuse, gang violence.

536
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 7: And stuff like that.

537
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: Right, And this is back in the time when I

538
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: was like in talent shows, just trying to find my way.

539
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: So if I wasn't singing in church, I was singing,

540
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 3: you know in the yard. You know, in my neighborhood.

541
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: You know, my cousin he used to dance, so he

542
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 3: would battle and stuff, and he had me come in

543
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: like like the little kid from you know, b Street

544
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: and breaking and I'd be like the special guest, the

545
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: cat who would come in and just slaughter because you know.

546
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: No one expected you and you right, so I like

547
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: three card the dancer versus like the random person in

548
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: the crowd.

549
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was it was, it was, it was.

550
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: It was more Bobby Man. It was more Bobby Brown

551
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: than anything. But finding my way to my voice. It

552
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: was just kind of try to never listen to that

553
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: damn radio and then watching those videos. And then I

554
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: met this manager by the name of Darryl Wheeler, right,

555
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: and he was like, I really want you to be

556
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: in it. I want you to, you know, audition for

557
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: the group, and he said, I want you to come

558
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: to the show. And we just so happened to be

559
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: in the talent show. Me and another cat, another two cats,

560
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: and the talent show was over and then they were

561
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: to perform. So while they started their gig, I was

562
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: in the back of the room just kind of looking,

563
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: you know, looking, and I'm and I'm watching all these

564
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: people go crazy over these guys. So I just got up,

565
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: ran to the middle of the floor, like, ran all

566
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: the way down the island, just started dancing in the

567
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: middle of the shit.

568
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 7: He just jacked rude. Yeah, I mean, but.

569
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: That was it was like I wanted it I wanted to.

570
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a part of it, and him

571
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: leaving that little door open, which was my It was

572
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: my best friend named Damikus who introduced me to Darryl

573
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: at in our auditorium at my my elementary school or

574
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: middle school something like that now elementary school. But after that, man,

575
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 3: I just kept I just kept, you know, going wherever

576
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: they were they had to, you know, performance downtown.

577
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: You know.

578
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: Eventually they start having rehearsals in the gymnasium in the neighborhood.

579
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: So I started coming in and just kind of trying

580
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: to look looking at what they were doing to try

581
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: to figure out what their dance steps and things were.

582
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 3: And I would just sing. I would just I used

583
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: to sing ready or not after seven, remember that. And

584
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, just use my use my talent.

585
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: Let me figure out how to get in whatever I

586
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: gotta do. They run heels and have all these drills

587
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: that they would do, you know, to kind of prepare

588
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: themselves and make themselves better performers so they could, you know,

589
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: not they wouldn't be tired on stage or whatever.

590
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 7: So I did it. I was like, all right, I'll

591
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 7: do all of that. That's what.

592
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: I think the oldest oldest guy in at Anthony Bird

593
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: was he had to be like sixteen or seventeen, maybe seventeen.

594
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: So there was three other guys, Adrian Red and another

595
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: guy by the name of Chocolate, So they were all

596
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: in this. We were in this group together and it

597
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: wasn't really going because the reality was they were built

598
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: to be what they were and you.

599
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 6: Were meant to be so low.

600
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 7: No, it didn't.

601
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: That didn't happen until little bit later. Actually it was

602
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: I'll tell you my mother was the reason that it happened.

603
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: But we then became a real group and we went

604
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: to Forsyth County in Florida, and we signed with this

605
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: record company for Side Records, and we started, you know,

606
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: building songs. So I had this song dream Girl. That

607
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: was the first record that I ever had in that group.

608
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 7: So then it.

609
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: Gave me like a voice, because otherwise I was just

610
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: trailing trailing behind playing or and dancing to the records

611
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: and shit that they had. And every so often I

612
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: kind of you know, up to try to upstate somebody else.

613
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 7: Just doing riffs and ship like that.

614
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: But my mother was like, you're not really getting to

615
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not my son's not getting the benefit

616
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: because he's never on stage. You keep putting in, putting

617
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: him in the back, and you know she just wasn't happy,

618
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: you know, So he tried to do whatever he could. Eventually, I,

619
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: you know, I left the group. She wanted me to

620
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: get out of group. Of course I didn't want to

621
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: get out of it. I actually ran away.

622
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 7: It's crazy shit.

623
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 10: Ever, I ran right away from from.

624
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Run away from home, but never do it.

625
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 7: I tried to run away from my own.

626
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: Oh, black kids don't run away from all.

627
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 6: I think we all do.

628
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 10: You get to ask me when you come back to

629
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 10: our black parents, they be like, good.

630
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 6: All that ship in there is mine.

631
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: Exactly what you're talking about, Bill Steve Yard. Ever run

632
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: away from to run away from my sister.

633
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 5: My sister ran away from hom like all the time.

634
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: So she'll be back tomorrow. Yeah yeah, See, like benches

635
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: are crazy.

636
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 10: Hey, man, come on, So what year was that when

637
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 10: you old you you ran away?

638
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: I mean I was twelve thirteen, and this is around

639
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: the time that my mother had moved me to Atlanta,

640
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: and I was like, you know, you destroyed my world, man,

641
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: this is everything to me.

642
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 6: To see what your mother said oh, I just look

643
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 6: forward to it.

644
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 7: She was like, I hear you.

645
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: Oh okay, She's like, but she said, you're not going

646
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: to go where you want to go in this group.

647
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I promise you, I'm going to put

648
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: you in every situation that I can to be able

649
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: to help you, to show you that you're worth it,

650
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: that you are a solo artist. So she started me

651
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: and entering me into talent shows, auditioned for the Apollo

652
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: audition for a Star search. I got into a talent search,

653
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: a talent show by the name of Atlanta Talent Search.

654
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: In Atlanta, I was recognized by Ali Reach's brother, Brian Reid,

655
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: who then introduced me to l a guy by the

656
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: name of A. J. Alexander. He was kind of all

657
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: in the middle of this shit. Who actually was a

658
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: bodyguard for Bobby Brown. So Bobby Brown, he saw.

659
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: Me Brown's bodyguard situation. Yeah, it's serious, Sue Knight. Yeah,

660
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: So wait, why did she move to Atlanta from Chattanooga.

661
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: She moved because just you know, they she wanted more man,

662
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 3: she wanted more out of her life.

663
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: What was in Chattanooga, Like, what was your observations of

664
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: Chattanooga was there.

665
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not much different now than it was

666
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: then in terms of opportunity for you know, advancement, Like

667
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: it's very that there's if you have the confidence that

668
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: comes from elsewhere, you will wander into other areas. But

669
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: if you don't, black people stay away from white people,

670
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: and as a black side of town, damn near in

671
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: a white side of town or a progressive side of town.

672
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 3: And whenever I'm there, I kind of go with between

673
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: them both, and I'm like, Yo, have y'all ever been there, like,

674
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 3: we don't go over.

675
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: There with you? Have you you returned to Chattanooga to

676
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: do so? Since?

677
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: No?

678
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: No, no, I've returned to Chattanooga to do do you

679
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: know philanthropic work?

680
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 7: Right?

681
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's what area is that in?

682
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: It's in front of the school that I was telling

683
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 3: you about. Deal would It's like, it's like right down

684
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: right in front of it.

685
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: Now. I want to know if he had his Chris

686
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: Rock sign moment y'all all of us before? Yeah? Yeah,

687
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: So she went to Atlanta just to get you a

688
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: better opportunity?

689
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: Was you went to Atlanta because it offers something better

690
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: for her? My stepfather at the time, he worked for

691
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: this trucking company and it was better for him to

692
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: be there, and also too, it was an opportunity for

693
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: her to be able to move forward.

694
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: So what were you when you moved to Atlanta.

695
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: I was eleven eleven twelve, so I was kind of

696
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 3: going back and forth from Chattanooga to Atlanta working with

697
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: the group. And when we worked on that album, you know,

698
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: it's you know, I was kind of just moving wherever

699
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: I could, man, because I at the age of eight,

700
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: that's when I decided what I was going to do.

701
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: I had this vision and from that vision, it was like, Okay,

702
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: I want to be an entertainer. I want to I

703
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: want to be on stages. I want to perform for people,

704
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: and that's what I want to do. I don't want

705
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: to play football. I know all y'all played football and

706
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: basketball and baseball, because my entire family is comprised as

707
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: like all star athletes. My uncle played for the Kansas

708
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: City Chiefs. My my cousin he played at Duke. You know,

709
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 3: all these guys that kind of gave me some kind

710
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: of idea where I wanted to go. And I was like, Nah,

711
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: that's not me. I want to I want to perform.

712
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: I want to entertain.

713
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 9: But how problem must they have been when you did

714
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 9: the Cavaliers move, because that's like the perfect combination, like

715
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 9: they must have been.

716
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 6: Oh that's great.

717
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that was That was pretty cool, right, like

718
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: you even you did it either way? Yeah, yeah, you know,

719
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: oddly enough, man. You know, once my grandmother passed, we

720
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: don't really get together the way we used to, and

721
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: I wish that we did more. But everybody's growing up.

722
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: Either they have kids, there's some of them back in Chattanooga,

723
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: some of them moved to other you know states, some

724
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: people got married, you know, some people live in Atlanta.

725
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: Some people you know, move and moved to d C.

726
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: But we don't talk as much as we used to. Yeah, yeah,

727
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 3: I gotta work on that.

728
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 7: I work on that.

729
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: Big Mama's the one that keeps the family together always.

730
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: She goes.

731
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 6: You can't go all the way to West Africa and

732
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 6: I go to Chattanooga, you know what I mean.

733
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 7: You got to get there.

734
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: Somebody gotta pick up a few people anyway.

735
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: So okay, so by the time you're eleven, it's like

736
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: the nineties, early nineties, ninety two, I guess by this point,

737
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean Atlanta's officially put its stamp on being a

738
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: black music mecca. I mean, is that fact lost on

739
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: you or is that something you're not thinking about, like, oh,

740
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: this could be a better opportunity for me because.

741
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: No part of my mother's plan. It was a part

742
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: of my mother's plan. She even mentioned she says, you

743
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: know that La Reading babyface. You know, they just started

744
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 3: a record label in Atlanta, and you know, I hear that.

745
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: You know you could get you know, if we put

746
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: you in talent shows, you can get recognized. So she

747
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 3: put me in this That was his brother's a distinction.

748
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: I think it was the name of the name of

749
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: the group that was putting together this thing. And somehow

750
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: La Read's name was attached to it. A Bryant Reid's

751
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: name was attached to it. And that's I'm telling you,

752
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: that's why I made a connection. But it was really

753
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 3: aj Aj Alexander the that's the dude who discovered me. Man,

754
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: out of all the people who could claim and say,

755
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, I found him, I saw him first. That

756
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 3: was a dude who really recognized my talent and was like, yo,

757
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: let work with me, he tweet. Man, this dude took

758
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 3: me everywhere. Man this dude took me to meet Bobby

759
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: for the first time. I thought I was gonna be

760
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: Bobby Brown's artist. That didn't happen, I said, I mean,

761
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: I may dodge the bullet you definitely, but also too man,

762
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: And I can remember way back he'd had me in

763
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: the parking lot of one twelve Keith Sweat coming out.

764
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: I have to perform for him right there in the

765
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: middle of the parking lot, Dallas, Austin in the parking lot, Jamaine,

766
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: all of these people like just trying to get Yeah

767
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 3: that on another level, where is is he still? He's

768
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: in Atlanta. He goes in between Miami and in Atlanta. Okay, yeah,

769
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 3: so you were he's a photographer now, man, that's dope.

770
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah so you were allowed out after hours to sort

771
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: of casey spots and perform.

772
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: And without a doubt, I was not the kid that

773
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 3: you told no, because I wouldn't accept it. I'd say, Okay,

774
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 3: if you don't want me, if you don't want me

775
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: to do what I'm doing.

776
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: It, guess what should You're still I much job. Your

777
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: favorite least word is no. For those For those of

778
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,959
Speaker 1: new context, you know usher in the roots are working

779
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: together now so whenever I want usher to do something,

780
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: I now have to present it in a positive context

781
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: just so he can say no. And that can be like,

782
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: but I guess I've been that now, thank you.

783
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 7: Now I know what you're doing.

784
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: You know what? Yeah, I'm sure you're right. We should

785
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: we should do a twelve minute version of you got

786
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: it bad right? You are so right, man.

787
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 9: But this must have been a really hard job for

788
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 9: your mom because like your mom evolved into like supermanager,

789
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 9: like she was like Matthew Knowles before Matthew Knowles. And

790
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 9: at the same time she had to keep you confident

791
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 9: as an artist but humble as a man.

792
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 6: How why did y'all?

793
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to know what kept you out of trouble?

794
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 9: Because say that again, I said, confident as an artist,

795
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 9: but kind of like humble as a man, like not not.

796
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 6: A dickhead, because as.

797
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 9: We're sitting here talking to you, and I've seen throughout

798
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 9: the years, you're not a dickhead, Like you're a very

799
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 9: humble individual. But like a ma just said, you know

800
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 9: what you want, you won't say no, but you know

801
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 9: it's a fine line.

802
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: The confidence was the confidence came for me, right, and

803
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: it came from the security of having someone who I

804
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: knew had my back, which was my mom. So as

805
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: long as she was able to focus on the business,

806
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: I could focus on the art and the creative part

807
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: of it right, which made it all right. And then

808
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 3: the rest of it was like I just never wanted

809
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: to be in some ship that I felt like that

810
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't control.

811
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

812
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: I never wanted and so many people were getting caught

813
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: out there, So those references was like, I'm not I

814
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: can't let none of that ship be the reason that

815
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: I don't make it to where I want to be.

816
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: And I'm definitely not gonna let you know I'm not

817
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: going to because and I had so many little heels

818
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 3: to climb, Like I lost my voice as soon as

819
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: I got signed, Like imagine that right when you signed

820
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 3: the first deal, when I signed, when I signed a

821
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: deal to the Face Records, I lost my voice.

822
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 6: For how long?

823
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: I lost my voice like puberty or like PUBERTYOC puberty

824
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: for about two muths. It was like that, and you

825
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: didn't know what, you know, what the hell was getting

826
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: ready to go on? The label was talking about dropping

827
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: me before this was after Portos, I couldn't perform the record.

828
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: They put the record on had Yeah, they had a

829
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: showcase for me, and I couldn't perform the record at all.

830
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 7: Puff Puffy was there. I think it was entertaining.

831
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 3: Him, him being my my executive producer at the time.

832
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 7: But yeah, man, it just it went away. What was it?

833
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, because nothing I have Wait, can I I

834
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: know what you say?

835
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 11: I know, I know sabotage, that's his favorite theory for everything.

836
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like black people rarely delve into psychological

837
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: matters or whatever. Like I know that me personally. For

838
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: anything that I'm trying to overcome, you know, and something happens,

839
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: like an injury or something, it's you know, I'm sometimes

840
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: I think like, Okay, how do you really feel about

841
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: are you scared at this moment? Whatever? Like the mind

842
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: does have a way of crippling you and while you're

843
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: facing the exactly now in theory, was it eight weeks

844
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: laryngitis or did you feel afraid in theory? What do

845
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: you think in theory?

846
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 7: Did I feel afraid? I felt like it was over.

847
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: And I felt like okay, if I just I mean,

848
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 3: I did what I knew to do at the time,

849
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 3: which was prey.

850
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: Did you feel it with psychosomatic Yeah, well I subconsciously.

851
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 7: No, I didn't.

852
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: I didn't sabotage myself. It wasn't fear or something like that. No,

853
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: you mean in terms of just having to go through

854
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: that at that moment, because sometimes your body can do No,

855
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: it had nothing to do with that. I was working

856
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 3: my ass off and I wanted it.

857
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Okay, there's an un there's an artist that

858
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: I can't name right that so it's the same artists.

859
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 6: I just figured it out.

860
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 7: Everybody in the room can know, but me.

861
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: No, it's not that artist. It's not it's not the

862
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: fourth letter alphabet.

863
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 12: Yeah no, it's hell No, it's you know, okay, yeah,

864
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 12: because that's always him. Okay, yeah, I keep racking him

865
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 12: under the No, there's okay. There was there was an

866
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 12: artist that uh we were working with and a situation happened.

867
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: Oh god, these are so good. Okay, a situation happened

868
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: in which, let's play guess there. Always get so frustrated.

869
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: I know, because I'm not I'm not trying to be

870
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: gossipy or ride somebody on the bus. But I think

871
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: this is a classic case of their teeth started to

872
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: fall out. Now, it wasn't like, oh they've got like

873
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: literally they're.

874
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 7: Saying that the truth.

875
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: There's a pressure that comes with No, that is a pressure.

876
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: You're right, Okay, so now i'll follow you what you're saying.

877
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: But I had a different destiny and I was connected

878
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: to it, and the moment that I decided that that

879
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: was what I was going to do, I wouldn't let

880
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: anything come in between me and that.

881
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: Right.

882
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: But you're right, there are tons of people who sabotage themselves,

883
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: who got caught up on you know, and drinking and

884
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: then eventually you know, moved an upgraded to you know, heroin.

885
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: But I don't even think that's thinking like, Okay, a

886
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: big moment's about to happen for me tomorrow, Let my

887
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: teeth fall out right now, or you know. But I

888
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: do believe that subconsciously we are able to create obstacles

889
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: without even purposely wanting to do that. Yeah, which, yeah,

890
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm away with.

891
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 6: First of all, how was he she?

892
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 7: She?

893
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: You know the story? You like? Yah?

894
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 6: I mean I'm putting some things together.

895
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: Ooh damn.

896
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: Mid twenties, so that's far more advanced than a child.

897
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying so the reality of probably

898
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: the disappointment that led up to that moment had everything

899
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: to do with the pressure that was going on with her.

900
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 10: So like so when you so you lost, so you

901
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 10: cut y'all cut, uh call me a back, and then

902
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 10: you lost your voice because that point that.

903
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: Was what ninety three three nine? Ye was ninety three?

904
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: So how did you get on that soundtrack? Because that

905
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: wasn't even the face related.

906
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 7: It was no La reading baby face.

907
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 13: They actually it was on Epic but like till C

908
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 13: was on the soundtrack too, So oh okay, I mean.

909
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: But was that a face slash Epic thing or.

910
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 7: It was an LA reading baby face thing?

911
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: I think I think they had something to do with

912
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: the like organizing of the album.

913
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: Oh okay, gotcha.

914
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: They didn't produce all the songs like Boomerang and all

915
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: this shit. But yeah, man, that was that was kind

916
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: of like my lunch. But at the rate that I

917
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 3: was working my voice, I mean, I had saying till

918
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: I actually you know, lost my voice plenty of times,

919
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: but this time when I woke up the next day, that.

920
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 7: Shit just didn't come back.

921
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: It was so the next day came and then the

922
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: weekend was there, and then it was the next week.

923
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 7: I'm like, what's going on?

924
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: How did you feel?

925
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I felt like my window of opportunity was closed,

926
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: and I felt like, Okay, what.

927
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: Were people saying around you at that point? Like tisk? Yeah,

928
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: they were like, Okay, well, what what's gonna happen now?

929
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: Because you know this kid, he's lost his voice and

930
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: he can't perform this song, so we'll just kind of

931
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: ride it out with him. You know, I signed a

932
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: contract with him, so at least I had the you know,

933
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: the length of the deal, you know what I'm saying.

934
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: But at that point, the fear of man, they're not

935
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 3: gonna put any more money into me if I don't

936
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: get if I don't do my part. So I had

937
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: to do whatever I could to try to fix a

938
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: remedy the problem.

939
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 7: This was before you even started recording the fast album

940
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 7: I had.

941
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 3: I had well, I went through a stint where I

942
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 3: worked with the Dungeon family and I worked with these

943
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: producers out of Detroit by the name of Tim and Bob.

944
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: That's when oh my god, oh wow, Okay, so I

945
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: don't know that.

946
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry about Tim and Ted. Tim and Bob

947
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: Are from peoriah.

948
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: Tim and Ted the Characters. Yeah so Characters, Yeah, that

949
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: was Troy Taylor.

950
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: Faith Anyway, Tim said they worked on a couple of

951
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: records with me and I lost my voice, man, and

952
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: I just it just went away.

953
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 7: And I had to figure that shit out.

954
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 3: So now I'm dealing with the fact that the label

955
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: was getting ready to drop me, and Puff was like, nah,

956
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: y'all can't do this kid like that.

957
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 7: Let me take him to New York. So he took me.

958
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: He started putting, He put me with vocal coaches out

959
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: here to try to, you know, kind of change the

960
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: direction of it. And then his idea wasn't about me

961
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: being this perfect singer, even though I had like, you know,

962
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: Kenny from uh Intro and Missy and I mean like

963
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: great singers, Faith Evans, all these great singers around me,

964
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: you know, and they were supporting me too, like now

965
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: you're gonna be alright, just keep going. I'll be sure.

966
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 3: He worked on my first album. Yeah.

967
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: So wait, so Puffy took an interest in your career

968
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: even though you weren't signed the bad Boy or his

969
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: management company.

970
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, So the reality of how the business

971
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: works is odd. Right, So if you have an artist

972
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: like me, there's an open budget, and if you're attempting

973
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: to establish a record company, that damn Nick gives you

974
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: free range to do whatever you want to do doing

975
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: them sessions.

976
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 7: So so I was not, but.

977
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: By the way, a genuine relationship was bond was was

978
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 3: built in that.

979
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 7: But don't get it sucked up. I knew what was

980
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 7: going on.

981
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Like, if Craig Mack is walking out

982
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: of my walking out of my session, you know, I'm

983
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: like no, But I mean, but by the way, that

984
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: was what it was in that time. That's the nineties,

985
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

986
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: So budget played for some bad boys stuff. Boy, So

987
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: like what was that like?

988
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 10: Because from what I understand what I read before, that

989
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 10: was like Boot like for you, like he had you,

990
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 10: And like what was that ship like with Puff during

991
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 10: that time?

992
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: I mean like, yeah, to say the least, did you

993
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: moved to New York by yourself or like your mom

994
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: came with you? I moved to New York with my

995
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: cousin and shortly after that, Puff was like I got him,

996
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: my cousin left, and that's what No, Yeah, all right,

997
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: how old were you at this time.

998
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 7: Around this time, I'm fifteen.

999
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: Oh, how going we're living with puff?

1000
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 7: Hey man, listen, what were your mother's rules?

1001
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 6: What was her did she?

1002
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 3: I mean, thank god she raised a sensible child, you

1003
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Because it was readily available whatever

1004
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 3: you wanted to do. You know what I'm saying. It was,

1005
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: it was, it was. It was pretty crazy and for

1006
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 3: the average kid, they would look at it like, Yo,

1007
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: this is the greatest shit ever. But for me, man,

1008
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: I was a bit sheltered, you know what I'm saying,

1009
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: Like I really hadn't been exposed to sex and ship.

1010
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 7: Like that like I was. I'm from the South, you

1011
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying.

1012
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 3: I came in with a fucking ruffled jacket on, looking

1013
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 3: like I was an earth wind and fire.

1014
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1015
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

1016
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 3: So and Mark Pitts picked me up from the airport

1017
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: and was like, Yo, we got you.

1018
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Here on out, we gotta.

1019
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: Get this fucking jacket off you.

1020
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: Youre just wrong with the bad boy posse like it was. Yeah, man,

1021
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: I was with you, Biggie new Yep. Yeah, how did

1022
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: he have you?

1023
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 10: Working like what was the I guess the boot camp,

1024
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 10: Like what was that training regiment?

1025
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: Like we take your budget. He's ready to die now.

1026
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: But he but he had me in the studio with Davante.

1027
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: I worked with I'll be sure. I worked with Kenny

1028
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 3: from Intro. I worked with be Heaven.

1029
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: You gotta tell the story. I don't mean like a

1030
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: slation story.

1031
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 10: But it's like no, because like faced backgrounds on that

1032
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 10: app like she's nuts.

1033
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1034
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah it was crazy.

1035
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 4: Man.

1036
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 7: What did I teach? Yeah?

1037
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 6: I'm like, y'all got questions? What did I'll teach you?

1038
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 7: When you're talking about Whispers? You know what I'm saying.

1039
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: Man.

1040
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 7: He said, that's one of your favorites.

1041
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: No, that's my favorite.

1042
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, that was my favorite on that album, Whispers Final Goodbye.

1043
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 10: I'll show yeah, because at the time, think of you.

1044
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 10: We like to think of you because that was Junkie.

1045
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 10: He flipped the who got the problem Ronnie Ronnie Loss

1046
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 10: So it was like I was like, oh, he's singing

1047
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 10: over the black woman ship.

1048
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: But but yeah that record because I was and I'm oblivious.

1049
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: I don't know none of you. I'm just that album

1050
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: spoke to you.

1051
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 8: What too Yeah, Okay, I get it.

1052
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: That's another generational thing between the two of you and

1053
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: me because again I assume were seventy eight seventy nine.

1054
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm seventy eight and Bill again that that that

1055
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 10: difference like pre seventy five, seventy one to seventy five cats,

1056
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 10: we have a chip on our shoulder about R and

1057
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 10: B you know what I'm saying.

1058
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: So we're not that receptive. Like even when I'm at D'Angelo,

1059
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: I was like dismissive, like R and B cat whatever.

1060
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just a Nazi that way, So

1061
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: I would have been more dismissive to it, whereas we were.

1062
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 10: Hops flew out on the R and B tip with

1063
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 10: felippeel to it.

1064
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, because y'all were sixteen when it came yea were

1065
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: open and at the time, I mean, because I always

1066
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: thought was strange at that record, uh, in hindsight like

1067
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: it kind of you know, people thought that he was

1068
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: that you were too young to be singing.

1069
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 7: About singing mature ship.

1070
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but it was right in time where we

1071
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: were developing, right exactly, That's what was going on record.

1072
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 10: That was my cake. It's time for you give me

1073
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 10: give me a doing it? Did you get whispers? Look man,

1074
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 10: the run? Look man, let me tell you something.

1075
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: The run. So if the love was here.

1076
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 8: The Many Ways, The Many Way Calm Crazy, that is

1077
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 8: pham Bone Gold taking my apron is on making right now,

1078
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 8: let me all right?

1079
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: And was on my tape. Okay, if you're just joining

1080
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: us at the right time. If you're just joining us,

1081
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: we're talking to Usher him in the fourth and uh

1082
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: Fante's phone Boom Classics on his first record, which apparently

1083
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: as a guy who studied all his music, I need

1084
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: to revisit. So if if you're in the audience watching

1085
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: the the Usher Room, uh yeah, yeah, the experience. What

1086
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: song you like? Yo? That's my y'all gotta do this one.

1087
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna determine the last two.

1088
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 10: I mean something of the first record, The Many Ways

1089
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 10: was I think that one was dope? Uh, what's trying

1090
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 10: to think another one that people would like that well?

1091
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 10: Because I'm trying to think of like songs that were

1092
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 10: like good, but now even now I think we appreciate

1093
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 10: it more. The Many Ways is just a gorgeous song,

1094
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 10: Like I just I just think that's just a very.

1095
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 1: Well right, can I can I rock many hit the post,

1096
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: Hit the post. This question Love Supreme with Foam Boom

1097
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: Classic number one by Usher Raymond the Fourth. That's right,

1098
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna make you say. This is the many ways

1099
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: you need to work on that. I'm disappointed.

1100
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 9: Only herd was Usher moaning anyway, love.

1101
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 4: That you're more baby? What's going on?

1102
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 7: I've seen you around my way a couple of times.

1103
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 7: You message just moving around the.

1104
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 6: Way, right, I see all the fellow's my personally for

1105
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 6: your number. I like to get your number.

1106
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,959
Speaker 4: So you do this with some time.

1107
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 7: I'm sten talking to phone or something.

1108
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 4: Anyways to say anyways, soup bad you're surprised. I got

1109
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: conse shin.

1110
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 6: She ain't shacking for the kids, I swing.

1111
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 4: We no can wait? Please get past depression?

1112
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: What a few for you?

1113
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 4: Swell slunchy, your girls sell your watching me say Ochi

1114
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 4: and bread they don't know well, well Jesus.

1115
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: Want That was the Many Ways by Usher Rim and

1116
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: our special guests on Questlove Supreme. So are you are

1117
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: you one of those people that cringe when you hear

1118
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: your older material or the people salivating over stuff that

1119
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: you made fifteen years ago like here, yeah, yeah, so

1120
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: I record now it's like it's it's nice, Like what

1121
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: are you thinking of when you I'm gonna like you

1122
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: could have spilled pizza on your shirt and you're like, man,

1123
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: that's when I wore you know, Like, what are you

1124
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: thinking of when you hear.

1125
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: That one that I had lost my voice? Because I

1126
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,479
Speaker 3: can hear it. I'm like, damn, I was fighting trying

1127
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 3: to get through that ship.

1128
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:12,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what.

1129
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: Was it like when you finally got full control of

1130
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: your voice back? And it was like, oh I can

1131
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: talk again?

1132
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 7: Oh shit, yeah, like it was actually after I left

1133
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 7: New York.

1134
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 3: When I left New York, then I began to slowly

1135
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: but surely get.

1136
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 7: It getting back.

1137
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: Came to New York to record this record.

1138
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 7: I recorded that new and you didn't have your voice, fully,

1139
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 7: did not have my voice.

1140
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: So how long could you sing before the crack starts?

1141
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: The cracks in your voice?

1142
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 7: No, ladies and gentlemen, I have never done crack.

1143
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: I think it, you know, because I started trying to

1144
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: promote the album.

1145
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. I was there's another time

1146
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 7: that you got which will bring you the new edition.

1147
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: But I was being managed by Brooke Payne, Whoa and

1148
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: Jeff Dison at the time.

1149
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you are a brook Paen student. Yeah,

1150
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, that's that's that explains a lot.

1151
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 6: I wonder if that was doing the break Wait when

1152
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 6: was that?

1153
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 4: No?

1154
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 3: Okay, So so now I started performing the records, but

1155
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: every time I hear them songs, I'm like, damn, that's

1156
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 3: just crazy. You know, how how how far that? Because

1157
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 3: you're living all of it, you know, and my voice

1158
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 3: has changed about five different times throughout the entire process.

1159
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 7: Can't tell you some funny that you don't know?

1160
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: Tell me, all right.

1161
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: So when I first signed on the First Records, I

1162
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: wanted to do an album with Babyface and La Reed. Right,

1163
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: I signed specifically for the reason why, because of End

1164
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: of the Road, because of Bobby Brown. The hero that

1165
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 3: I my hero was produced by these two dudes, right.

1166
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: So you didn't see him as like older Calder Bobby Brown,

1167
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: that's it, that's not Bobby.

1168
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he like they made that music.

1169
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 7: They made that music.

1170
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 3: So that's all I knew. And I knew that Babyface

1171
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 3: was still doing it La Red. I didn't know if

1172
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: he was in the studio. I didn't know that he

1173
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 3: had stopped completely producing. But I was like, as long

1174
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: as I can get a record by y'all. So La

1175
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: Reid wanted Babyface to work on me, and they were

1176
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 3: going through, you know, a lot of drama at the time.

1177
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: They were kind of severing their ties or either he

1178
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 3: just didn't want he wasn't comfortable and Atlanta and.

1179
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 7: By the way, we talked about this ship. So it's cool.

1180
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: I can I can tell you this, but it was

1181
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 3: it's kind of like private. Anyway, he got mad and

1182
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: he built an entire album with an artist that we know.

1183
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and he built an entire album for me,

1184
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 3: and he gave the entire album to that dude.

1185
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: This is okay, let's guess it's like a mirror moment.

1186
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: Who got mad? This is this is baby Face?

1187
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 3: Baby Face was upset and gave the whole album.

1188
01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: It's not Dremine Jackson.

1189
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,959
Speaker 7: Another one young guy period in that time.

1190
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: What year I'm saying, what is this? Three ninety three?

1191
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: I can't even around the face.

1192
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 7: I'll just tell you on the face he was. It

1193
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 7: was Tevin Campbell.

1194
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: That can we talk exclusive?

1195
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 6: Its just me and this is a.

1196
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 1: Song for your settlers right there?

1197
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 10: Take it back some reclaiming. Can we talk take that

1198
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 10: song back? Can we talk? Yeah, don't take a bad girl?

1199
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 10: Always in my heart, always in my heart, damn all

1200
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 10: those Yeah.

1201
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: He got mad. He was there.

1202
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 3: They were just they was fighting in puff in him.

1203
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 3: They had words or something like that. And then you

1204
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: know whatever, Can I ask because he couldn't understand, like

1205
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 3: why why wouldn't you do? Why would you give an

1206
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 3: album like that to this dude? You know what I'm saying,

1207
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 3: Like you got your own artists and they was having

1208
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 3: this ship. So he was like, I do his album?

1209
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

1210
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: Wow, all right? Can I ask? Okay? Wait? Did because hold?

1211
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: Did you record the songs? And then like just.

1212
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 3: I never got in the studio with him, and I

1213
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: couldn't understand. It wasn't until Bedtime. That's that was my

1214
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 3: first record with him. That was the next album. That

1215
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 3: was My Way.

1216
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: So, okay, was Bedtime presented to you already and it's

1217
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: completed for him?

1218
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 7: No?

1219
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: It was. It was primarily worked on the spot right

1220
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: in front of you.

1221
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 3: It was worked on in the studio and I was

1222
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: there and then I came, I went into booth and

1223
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 3: there and cut it.

1224
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm doing it.

1225
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 7: I don't think it was a song like that he

1226
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 7: just pitched me. Now, Wasn't that.

1227
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: Because I'm doing a journalistic no, no, But I have

1228
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: a theory because I'm very obsessed with the process of

1229
01:03:53,840 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: how the water just went dry for Babyface after two

1230
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: thousand and one, really nineteen ninety eight. You know, they're like,

1231
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: there's the period the of La Babyface, and then there's

1232
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: the ninety five Babyface by himself shit, and then it's like,

1233
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: oh he with the neptunes like that, just hanging on.

1234
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that I had a theory

1235
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: that the real La and Babyface was as yet Okay,

1236
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: because what many people don't know is that again, these

1237
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: are all my theories. I'm not trying to throw last

1238
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 1: Night this song like the group yet exactly, but I'm

1239
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: saying that what many people don't know, especially people not

1240
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: involved in the industry, is that a lot of these times,

1241
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: when you're working with these super producers, you're really just

1242
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: leasing their name workers. Really, I mean a person that

1243
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: we know is for the terrible Doctor d Right, So

1244
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: when you're when you're giving Doctor Dre a quarter of

1245
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: a million dollars for Dr Dre song, chances are is

1246
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: that he has minions and people working, like, yeah, he's

1247
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: there to instruct that, but as far as actually doing

1248
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: the layman's work, I always felt you're crushing me right now, Well, no, no, no, again.

1249
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: These are my theories. These are my theories, and I

1250
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: don't want to put you in the position where you

1251
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: have the confirmer deny it. But I'm just saying that

1252
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: when you are between nineteen ninety four, in nineteen ninety nine,

1253
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: Babyface Ling, Babyface combined or solo had at least ten

1254
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: to fifteen bangers per per year, and then everything stopped,

1255
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: and then a scientific life and everything and then hip

1256
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: hop happen, life happen.

1257
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 7: Now, life happen.

1258
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 3: He got a divorce, he got married, all of that shit,

1259
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 3: and then he probably just wasn't as hungry for it.

1260
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm weally great friends now, right,

1261
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 3: He's the guy that I can call at four o'clock

1262
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 3: in the morning, He'll pick up the phone, you know

1263
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, right, And I've asked I'll go back,

1264
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 3: and I'm listening to all of those old school like

1265
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 3: well what is old school now? But listening to those records,

1266
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 3: I'm like what the hell were y'all doing? Like like this,

1267
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 3: there's a feeling of this shit in the mixture, like

1268
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 3: the like the science of what this was, Like, how

1269
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: y'all were mixing shit together?

1270
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 7: What were y'all thinking?

1271
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 3: He was like, man, we had that song for like

1272
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 3: six years that was just sitting in there, like Ronnie

1273
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,439
Speaker 3: that had just been sitting in there. I'm like, for real,

1274
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, man, way before we gave it to Bobby.

1275
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: But next to Prince's genius streak of eighty two to

1276
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: eighty seven eighty eight, I felt like Babyface's output of

1277
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: songs was unparallel and then it just stops like that.

1278
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 7: So what do you think it was?

1279
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: Well, I kind of want you to insinuate or not insinuate. Yeah,

1280
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: fuck just because I I I know that Pharrell writes

1281
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: all of this stuff and does his work alone. I

1282
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: know Premiere produces all this stuff, like really just solo

1283
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: by himself. I can't even imagine that Babyface had the

1284
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: work ethic where he's up night and day, just effortless

1285
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: churning out hit hit after hit like he has thirty

1286
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: five to forty Like, oh, I'm invest I'm invest on.

1287
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying, is once as yet left the

1288
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: premises and the divorce and the yab young versus face

1289
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: whatever went down today. Man, come on, man, you're the

1290
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: cat of the Canary. I did tell me You're not

1291
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: gonna tell me, are you?

1292
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 7: Nah?

1293
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 3: I mean I'm saying that, By the way, at that age,

1294
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 3: I don't think I was thinking of any of that shit.

1295
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: I was just like, I want to get in the

1296
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 3: studio and actually get one out of him, because I

1297
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 3: haven't had any record period it.

1298
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: So did you physically see him work? Like does he

1299
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:06,479
Speaker 1: have a paper? And I did? That's all I wanted.

1300
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: That's all I wanted. I didn't know if I didn't

1301
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: La La and Babyface was a bit like did they

1302
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: just come to you with these songs or was it

1303
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: like you saw them sitting there or discord that chord?

1304
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: And what do you think? I just can't I never

1305
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: got the now Rogers and that wards like it wasn't that.

1306
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 3: He presented the one that I can tell you that

1307
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 3: was one record that he presented to me, And that's

1308
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 3: I think that that's what kind of like really made

1309
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 3: him not funk with me at all period or l

1310
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 3: A read with regards to me because he also too

1311
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 3: he didn't believe in me as He's like, I don't really,

1312
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 3: I don't really lac la red babyface. He was like,

1313
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 3: I don't really, I don't get him. And he presented

1314
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 3: a record and Puff he he rejected the record and

1315
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 3: that was it.

1316
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 7: It was like, all right, well then I'm not gonna

1317
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 7: have nothing to do with it at all.

1318
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: How did you feel?

1319
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 7: I was devastated it.

1320
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 3: I actually signed the deal to work with those two producers,

1321
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 3: and I to this day still ain't got to wring

1322
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 3: it from him.

1323
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? Like so together, So.

1324
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: Puff oversaw the first time he made the call in

1325
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: terms of what was.

1326
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 7: He ep the first album?

1327
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? Gotcha? Gotcha? How now how did it go from?

1328
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 10: Because you know you were talking about when you lost

1329
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 10: your voice, they were thinking of dropping you. So then

1330
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,560
Speaker 10: the first album comes out and it doesn't do you know,

1331
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 10: it doesn't sell. I guess you know whatever, what did you?

1332
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: What did the first album wind up doing?

1333
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I think and it's probably greatest. It maybe

1334
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 3: got up to about maybe gold maybe like now yeah

1335
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 3: maybe it might be gold?

1336
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 6: Really that single carry that joint?

1337
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 10: Okay, So how did you go from that to my

1338
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 10: getting dropped, yeah, to my way, like, how did you.

1339
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: Well?

1340
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 3: I started working with Dallas Austin on my next album,

1341
01:09:55,880 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 3: and you know, I bought him lamberg because that was

1342
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 3: what the exchange.

1343
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 7: For doing my album.

1344
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: Damn, how did you guy?

1345
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 7: They was killing my budget?

1346
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 4: Bro?

1347
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: I was.

1348
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 7: I was of that of that group of artists who.

1349
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: Really you know, the hype Williams budgets.

1350
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 7: Nah, but it wasn't that. It was that. That was

1351
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 7: that was that time.

1352
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 3: So they had to find ways to kind of move

1353
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 3: and work their own ship. And the artists they just

1354
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 3: had to absorb that. And plus I knew what it was.

1355
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 3: We understood and if you think about what you're gonna

1356
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 3: end up paying a producer, it would be the equivalent

1357
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 3: of that, you know what I'm saying.

1358
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: So he made money too, right, No, he did the

1359
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 1: album for Lamborghini.

1360
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, well he was. It didn't happen.

1361
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 3: So wait, it didn't happen because he and I didn't

1362
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: We didn't blend. So I was gonna work on this

1363
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 3: album called A Book of Love with him and this

1364
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 3: is with Dallas awesome, and the motherfucker just wouldn't show

1365
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 3: up to the studio. I'll be sitting there for hours.

1366
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,839
Speaker 3: I'd come there be sitting in the front. Then eventually

1367
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 3: I started picking up instruments and start trying to build

1368
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 3: the album of damnselfs was this amount of time when

1369
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 3: he was he was playing with it around that time.

1370
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 3: I think it was yeah, yeah, But I just think

1371
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 3: that he really didn't. He didn't He ain't believe in

1372
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 3: me like that, you know what I'm saying. I think

1373
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 3: it was more or less of a favor for l A.

1374
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 3: And I wasn't a priority and he's trying to get

1375
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 3: his label off the ground to run that yeah illegal

1376
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 3: illegal yeah, and Monica Yeah he was. He really just

1377
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 3: wasn't focused. So instead of us continuing to do that,

1378
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just disrespectful, like he wouldn't show

1379
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 3: up to the studio, like hey man, the session starts

1380
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 3: at this time, and he was like, Yo, man, you

1381
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 3: gotta get this dude to chill out. Like you know

1382
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 3: what I mean, I'm a vibe or dude, you know

1383
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like I like to just do things

1384
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 3: in the club. I'm like, funck that, man, We're gonna

1385
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 3: work on that. We're gonna work on the home. Let's

1386
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 3: do it, you know what I'm saying. So I was like, fucking,

1387
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 3: I'm not coming to the studio.

1388
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 7: I'm done. And that was it. That was the history

1389
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 7: of that.

1390
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: And you know that's like in my mind, I'm thinking,

1391
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: like you're in Atlanta. I imagine how to funk out

1392
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: feel the climax of like the Atlanta movement. Like I'm thinking,

1393
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: like it's like the New Motown where you know, TLC's

1394
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: in the house and all these accounts and everyone's family

1395
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: that happened.

1396
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 3: All of that is still true, but the reality is

1397
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 3: like certain things ain't meant to happen.

1398
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: You.

1399
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I seen this guy and I was the fuller.

1400
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 3: I was a very very special artist, you know what

1401
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Like back then, I had the confidence of

1402
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 3: like ten billion people.

1403
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: No, I'm in up stop.

1404
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 3: So look the dude passed up on me, man, like

1405
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 3: he's seen me before. I performed for him and he

1406
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, give me a call tomorrow, man. You

1407
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 3: know like that, I was like, all right, cool, you

1408
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, I see you again, man, damn.

1409
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 3: And you know, so I'm still holding on a little

1410
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 3: bit of that by you know, sitting in that lobby.

1411
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 3: You know, I was like, man, fuck it, I'm not

1412
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 3: coming back to dude.

1413
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: This explains everything because I'm seeing I'm getting to know

1414
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: you as a person and as an artist, and really,

1415
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, I purposely especially for this interview. Normally, you know,

1416
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm Google and start renal interviews just to see where

1417
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: you're want. But I know that you have this tireless

1418
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: work ethic about you, and now this is starting to

1419
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: make sense because now I feel like you really got

1420
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: something to prove. Even though yeah, you might be cool

1421
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: with Face and Dallas now and you'll see each other

1422
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: give each other pound or whatever. But now I'm feeling like,

1423
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: oh way, they get a load of me because you

1424
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,480
Speaker 1: want I'm just feeling like the joker, Like now you're feeling.

1425
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 3: That's another chapter to that that we haven't got to yet.

1426
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, because oh ship, I'm sorry.

1427
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't even I wasn't even trying to go there

1428
01:13:53,960 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: you want, No, No, let's go there anyway. I'm just

1429
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: saying that as an artist, I'm thinking that you now, oh.

1430
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 6: Wow, you sound like me over there.

1431
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 4: No.

1432
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: No, we're not trying to turn this into that.

1433
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 3: No, it's not the Gossip Hour or not not that,

1434
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 3: but you know, I mean, but there's certain truths that

1435
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 3: actually make it fun, you know what I'm saying.

1436
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 7: And we all grown.

1437
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 3: We passed it now, but we've passed it. So I

1438
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 3: mean the reality is yeah, yeah, that's cool.

1439
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: Ship embrace the pity. Yeah. Okay, So how did so

1440
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: how did you come across the high hat king? You mean,

1441
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, so think for the record, Rick Rubin has

1442
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: the loudest scratches on hip hop records, but bar none, uh,

1443
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: Jermaine Dupriez high hat high hats, Like when you're spending

1444
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 1: records sometimes your needle can be sensitive to grooves on

1445
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: the record and his Germaine dupre Yeah, it's like it

1446
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: could affect He has the loudest hip hop high hats

1447
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: of all time. I mean, I respect it, but you know,

1448
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 1: I mean back then was frustrating his health to spend

1449
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: because the high hats will always skip the records sometimes.

1450
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: Well anyway, so how did you wind up with Jermaine Dupree.

1451
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 3: He did a remix for Think of You and that

1452
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 3: was the that was the beginning of me kind of

1453
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 3: working with him. And he was like, you know, if

1454
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 3: you work you know, let's work together. I was like, man,

1455
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 3: I really do.

1456
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 7: I think it was like, you really did a great job.

1457
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 3: He came in the studio, he produced it from scratch

1458
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 3: and said we created it right there. You know what

1459
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 3: I'm saying, And he he was just dope. I was like, man,

1460
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 3: when I work on my next album, I really want

1461
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 3: you to I really want you to be a part

1462
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 3: of it. And you know l A Reid put us

1463
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 3: together after Dallas and that was when you were working

1464
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 3: in l A.

1465
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: Right that we did any songs with Dallas?

1466
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 7: None?

1467
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: Damn okay?

1468
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 7: Yeah none that came out? You mean like did we

1469
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 7: actually the song?

1470
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I had a song called water Falls versus whatever?

1471
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like, did you ever work in a song

1472
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 1: with Dallas?

1473
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 3: I think he was working with Deborah kill Feel Debora Cox.

1474
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 3: So there's a couple of records on Debor Cox. They

1475
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 3: probably slid from my project to her to her project,

1476
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 3: and I think it was that Montel.

1477
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: Baby you have the first.

1478
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 3: No, I didn't do the record, but I'm saying I

1479
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 3: would have potentially had had that song if I weren't

1480
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 3: around them. And not to say that it wouldn't you know,

1481
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 3: he had his process man, it just didn't work with me,

1482
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

1483
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: All right?

1484
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 3: Anyway, So so I I ended up, you know, being

1485
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 3: put with j D and we just started working. I

1486
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 3: just started kicking it with and we worked on it

1487
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 3: in Atlanta in his basement.

1488
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 10: Oh wow, okay, yah about that man, you will Seal

1489
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 10: talk to me about him because he was like I

1490
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 10: would always see him working with j D. He was

1491
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 10: like one of my favorite songwriters and what was his process?

1492
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:19,560
Speaker 4: Like?

1493
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 3: So j D had a manual still working at the time,

1494
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 3: and Kawan Prayer the k Yeah, KP.

1495
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: That's the name, Kawan Prayer. Yeah, he's uh, he's KP.

1496
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 7: You know, KP. He's independent. He works with for real now,

1497
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 7: but he he he worked with Parental Advisory at the time.

1498
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 7: P A right, I got the official name he was.

1499
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 6: He was R Kelly. Thank you, okay, God, I'm back

1500
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 6: to my quiet place.

1501
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 7: That's our first lady over there.

1502
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: No, that was put p a yard in the graveyard

1503
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: pepitone the I think the.

1504
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 7: R Kelly.

1505
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: That's correct, Kelly.

1506
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 6: That's so sorry.

1507
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 3: Nah. So KP he was over there with me and

1508
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 3: we just started working on the album. You know what

1509
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 3: I'm saying, and the rest is kind of like it

1510
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 3: became history. I just worked day in day, but JD

1511
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 3: had such a weird fucking way of working. And after

1512
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,560
Speaker 3: dealing with uh Dallas Sauce and it was like, you

1513
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 3: want me to come to the studio and sit and

1514
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 3: watch you playing video games. I can't do that, man,

1515
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 3: I don't play that. I just didn't play video I

1516
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 3: just wasn't a kid who played video games. I stopped

1517
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 3: and was like, I can't catch back up. I'm sorry,

1518
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 3: I put I put the joystick down, so I'm here

1519
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 3: to work. I was that serious, you know what I'm saying.

1520
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 3: So I was like, you know, let's pay pool, man.

1521
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 3: You know, at least that's a game that I can play.

1522
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 3: So we started playing Pool for push ups and ship

1523
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 3: like that, and then before you know it, I was

1524
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 3: doing crunches and ship and I just third forming God

1525
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 3: damn six packs.

1526
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 7: So that became apply.

1527
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: Trying to get you in shape all of that ship

1528
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:23,560
Speaker 1: but his is missing a good one. So what was

1529
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: the first song y'all worked on?

1530
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 7: First record we worked on?

1531
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 3: Oh man, what was the first one. I don't think

1532
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 3: it was a song that made the album, And I

1533
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 3: don't think it was a record that made it. I

1534
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 3: don't even remember the damn name of it.

1535
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: Man, uh okay. I was like, well, the album is

1536
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: called My Way.

1537
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 3: The first album we worked on was called My Way.

1538
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 3: But the first song, the first song I do not remember.

1539
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember my Way that hit my That was

1540
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 1: my freshman year of college, and you make me want

1541
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: to like it was like.

1542
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 7: The last record of the entire album.

1543
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: Why is that always because it's always like we're missing

1544
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: we need, we need to sing, we need a single.

1545
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 1: Was it was that thing someone like we're missing something?

1546
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 7: I think it was. No, I think it was.

1547
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: It's my favorite joining was one Day He'll be Mine,

1548
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: and it wasn't because of the Iley sample. But just

1549
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: like Me.

1550
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 7: I think just like Me was the first record that

1551
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 7: we worked on.

1552
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: But what was the song that you were like, all right,

1553
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm bad now now I'm forced to be reckoned with or?

1554
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,560
Speaker 1: I think it was nice and Slow. That was the

1555
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: one that was like, oh shit, we got something, but

1556
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: come back. It was another record that we worked on.

1557
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: And so, how how's JD directing this? Because I mean,

1558
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: at that point, I'm thinking of a strictly from hip

1559
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 1: hop context. So as a producer. What is his process

1560
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: in the studio. He's sitting there coaching you on vocals. Yo,

1561
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm so glad. Look, I hate vocals. I will be like,

1562
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: all right, he does back at this point. Now he does.

1563
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 7: Now he'll actually sit in the studio with me. Now.

1564
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 7: But back then you had to literally like sit.

1565
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 3: In the living room or like his little living room

1566
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 3: area downstairs in the basement, and they would just play

1567
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 3: video games for hours.

1568
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: So who's coaching your vocals on this stuff?

1569
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 7: Eventually it was Emmanuel and a guy this is back

1570
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 7: with Phil Tan, who was his his engineering engineers.

1571
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: Always the vocal coach.

1572
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 3: He would he would actually go through a vocal production

1573
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 3: with me, but it was mostly emmanual because he would

1574
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 3: he would put it down piece by piece.

1575
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 7: And then I kind of go in and and work

1576
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 7: on it. We wrote certain things.

1577
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: Were you guys, were you guys co writing together or yeah?

1578
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 3: I would basically, you know, talk to JD about just

1579
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 3: different ship and before you know what, he started writing.

1580
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 7: I hadn't I hadn't developed my my writing. I hadn't

1581
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 7: picked up a pen yet.

1582
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of like talking about things and he's

1583
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 3: taking it in writing it and before you know it,

1584
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 3: I'll come back to the studio. He'll hit me at

1585
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 3: three o'clock in the morning, like, come to the studio.

1586
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 6: I'm like.

1587
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 3: Sleepy, I've been I was out there all day waiting

1588
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 3: on you Todamn to do something, and then you didn't.

1589
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: Now you are you a daytime studio person.

1590
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 7: At that time?

1591
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 3: I was, because I mean if I was still in school, man,

1592
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 3: like I'm still I'm still in school, trying to figure

1593
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 3: out how to balance between two worlds. And you know, I,

1594
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I come out there three o'clock in the morning,

1595
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 3: tired his hell, and he wanted to work.

1596
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 7: I had to start to go.

1597
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,799
Speaker 1: So you went to physical school like you weren't tutor

1598
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: and the the celebrity.

1599
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 7: Now wait, man, I'm fucking up. No, I was out

1600
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 7: of school then I was taking my nineteen.

1601
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 3: But the craziest shit is I was the family driver

1602
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,759
Speaker 3: in addition to being a nighttime artist.

1603
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 7: So I had to drive my.

1604
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 3: Mom to work, drive my girl to Wait, was your

1605
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 3: mom still working? My mother was still working. I had

1606
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 3: to drive my mom to work. I had to drive

1607
01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 3: my girlfriend to Spelman and then drop my brother. Girl, yeah,

1608
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 3: drop my brother off, and then get my ass back

1609
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 3: to the house for just a second. Go pick my

1610
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 3: little brother up, Go pick my mom up, bring them

1611
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 3: back home, Go pick my girlfriend up, come back home,

1612
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 3: and then drive to the studio.

1613
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad the story I was the original. You just

1614
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: wanted to show you just want more chauffeur than Usher. Wow,

1615
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: she's the original, yo. I'm actually glad you said that,

1616
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: because even as at least I'm even as the as

1617
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: an established artist, at least in the eyes of people

1618
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: that don't know the industry, you're still blue collar with it,

1619
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: and you're still like your mom's still keeping the job.

1620
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: She's not like, Okay, I'm managing full time or none

1621
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Wait, is Brooke still in the picture?

1622
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 7: Brook is no longer in the picture. I now am.

1623
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 3: I'm just working on the album, so I really need

1624
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 3: a manager. My mother she basically, you know, helped me

1625
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 3: find an attorney that then kind of handled my business

1626
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 3: or whatever per album to album and you know, just

1627
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 3: kind of focused on once again getting that album, getting

1628
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 3: that I'm done.

1629
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: Can you describe Brooke as a person, because for those

1630
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: that don't know, you know, thank god the New Edition

1631
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: movie went down and I love the way like he

1632
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: was my favorite character in a New Edition movie only

1633
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: because of at least the lesson that he taught New Edition,

1634
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 1: which was basically, I'm gonna teach you how to be professional.

1635
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make you stars, but i will

1636
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: teach you how to be professional.

1637
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 3: He's like that uncle or that granddad that makes you

1638
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 3: scared because you don't know what the fuck he's thinking

1639
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 3: good and you're like, I just don't want them to

1640
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 3: be disappointed in me.

1641
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: No, look, dude, I spoke to him about that whole process,

1642
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: and he like confirmed that he he was, like, not

1643
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: exactly the black version of what's his name in Whiplash,

1644
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: but he did believe. He believed. I know that Brook

1645
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: told me that he he's a too much praise is

1646
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: almost damage into an artist because that'll make them relaxed.

1647
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: And it's weird that I'm not saying that slave mentality

1648
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: like the like to keep keep the workers uh in

1649
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: in in a plot. Yeah, but I mean, but it

1650
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: keep it makes them work harder, and you know, next

1651
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 1: to like Charlie Atkins, like I consider Brook paying one

1652
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: of the greatest uh or yeah, proprietors of of just

1653
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: that spirit of like when he's working with you, is

1654
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 1: he strictly just a manager from a manager center, or

1655
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: is he working with you on dance moves?

1656
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 7: And at that time, he wasn't working on choreography anymore.

1657
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: So were you asking him to work with you?

1658
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 7: Or I'm always meeting people, you know, when they just

1659
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 7: step in out of their space.

1660
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 3: I can't get a fucking record from babyfacing in LA,

1661
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 3: can't get the pain that goddamn teach teach me a

1662
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 3: step now.

1663
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: But I mean he had wisdom, at least I hope

1664
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:11,719
Speaker 1: he had wisdom.

1665
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, he had man wisdom his record. It wasn't that. No,

1666
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 7: I didn't leave him.

1667
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,560
Speaker 3: What happened is new addition they got back together was

1668
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 3: home again and and this is right before everything happened

1669
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 3: for me.

1670
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

1671
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, and he's like, you know, I'm like, I'm like,

1672
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 3: you can't leave man, And he and Jeff Dyson was like,

1673
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:35,839
Speaker 3: we got to go back and work on this project.

1674
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 7: I was like, well, maybe I can open up for

1675
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 7: y'all or something like that.

1676
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 3: He's like, nah, I gotta give it my undivided attention

1677
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 3: as I would if it were you. So I was like,

1678
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 3: all right, you know what, I gotta respect that and

1679
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 3: if there's an opportunity for us to work again.

1680
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 7: And that's when my mother became my manager.

1681
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: Now what is that like because you're approaching adulthood? Like,

1682
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: is it easy the Joe Jackson Matthew Knowles of it all, Like,

1683
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: is it easy to separate the hats of the two

1684
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: when your mom's your manager? Like? Is she traveling on

1685
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: the road with you as your managers are? Like? Yeah,

1686
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: so how hard is that? Because you're I mean, you're

1687
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: becoming of age.

1688
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 7: I'm a grown man in theory because I've always been

1689
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 7: the manager.

1690
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: You're driving people to work, so how now?

1691
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 7: But in my mind i'm also too.

1692
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 3: I've elected to be the provider of the family, even

1693
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 3: though my mother is the protector, right, And in many

1694
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 3: ways I think that she kind of she crippled me

1695
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 3: a little bit for a minute because my focus wasn't

1696
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 3: it had nothing to.

1697
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 7: Do with business, had everything to do with art.

1698
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 3: And think I thank her for that because I wouldn't

1699
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 3: have I wouldn't have established the focus that I have

1700
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 3: now if I couldn't have just focused on music, music, music, music, dance, dance, dance, dance.

1701
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 7: Performance, performance, performance performers.

1702
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 3: If I was always kind of going to figure out

1703
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 3: who's trying to take money, where the money is coming from,

1704
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 3: I would have been petty, you know what I'm saying.

1705
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 3: I would have I would have lost sight of what

1706
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 3: what the goal was. And you know another thing, my

1707
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 3: mother never My mother was never the extremely. You know,

1708
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 3: I can't do anything. I can't go anywhere, you can't.

1709
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: She let me.

1710
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 7: I got into ship, you know what I'm saying, And

1711
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 7: she understood that's just things.

1712
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 3: That's what men do. Boys do that, you know what

1713
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But if you're going to do it, do

1714
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 3: it in the safety of your house. Be protected, you

1715
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

1716
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, yeah, wow, I'm trying to go here.

1717
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 6: Home, pull up. Don't make me go.

1718
01:28:52,479 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: There, not right now. Okay. So when you finished the

1719
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: record and you're mastering your sequence, and at this point,

1720
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: are you like, Okay, this is it. I'm gonna show

1721
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 1: everyone that I'm the ship or.

1722
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 3: No, it's just the work. I ain't even about to

1723
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 3: accolade at that point. I just want to work.

1724
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 7: I want to get back on the road, I want

1725
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 7: to get back out there and perform. I want to

1726
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 7: just continue to grow. You know what I'm saying. It's

1727
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 7: like it ain't got nothing to do with showing nobody up.

1728
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 7: I'm better than anybody.

1729
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 3: But it's like, no, it's not over for me, and

1730
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep working because I got more to do.

1731
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: I still ain't.

1732
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 7: I still haven't fulfilled what I saw when I was eight.

1733
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: Well, MTV like grasped oranty like crazy, because I mean

1734
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: everything every video that I know was played ungodly doing

1735
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: that point. I think by this point, you're this this

1736
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: the well?

1737
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 8: No?

1738
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 1: No, is this the Merry Usher tour? Was that during

1739
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:56,560
Speaker 1: that period.

1740
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 7: Or seven to one?

1741
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: Okay? So what is what is the what is your

1742
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 1: live show like now?

1743
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 4: Like?

1744
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, my way was like I had a little bit

1745
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 3: of Philly with me. I had, you know, let me see,

1746
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 3: that's when I brought it was a little bit of Detroit.

1747
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 3: You remember, you know Kerran and Voudas Brinley, they had

1748
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 3: of Detroit. That's who played with Mary.

1749
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 7: The current kurrent was EP for, I mean was MD for.

1750
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: They work with the Dream as well.

1751
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 7: I'm not sure if they do or not.

1752
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm trying to figure out who else they worked with.

1753
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 3: Okay, but anyway, so I had a band, and I

1754
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 3: was comfortable with performing with a band.

1755
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 1: Now are you like you are?

1756
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 6: Now?

1757
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: Like you're aware and you know what you want to convey?

1758
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:49,520
Speaker 1: Like who's conveying your ideas?

1759
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 7: Hearing me? That's it seeing me?

1760
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 1: And is he listening to you a way I don't

1761
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: listen to you? And we won? So what what are

1762
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: you trying to? What are you trying to convey as

1763
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: an artist? By this by this time period? Like what

1764
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 1: are you at this point?

1765
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 3: I'm trying to live out everything that goes with this

1766
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 3: album because it is the first time that I've actually

1767
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 3: made songs that are relative to my life, what I've

1768
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,839
Speaker 3: gone through, what I've experienced. So now I'm trying to recreate,

1769
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 3: recapture those moments that you know, that idea.

1770
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 7: It's a little bit it's.

1771
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 3: A little bit country, you know what I'm saying, because

1772
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 3: and I had to deal with what I had access to.

1773
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 3: But you know, you know, when I came on stage,

1774
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 3: I had a tribute to Bobby that I did every night.

1775
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: Now you you you do you have a close relationship

1776
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: to Bobby Brown? Or was it like, oh you're mind

1777
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:52,799
Speaker 1: or a nice kid like the knowledge Joe Green commercial.

1778
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 7: Now we were cool.

1779
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 3: We're cool now, you know, there was a moment where

1780
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 3: we weren't cool and it was because he was he

1781
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 3: was really, he was really just like he was on

1782
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 3: the drugs.

1783
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 1: Man.

1784
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 7: It was just too much.

1785
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 1: But okay, So what I'm saying is is we had

1786
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: a follow out. So he tried to fight me in

1787
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: the club and it was and I was thinking, I

1788
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:15,679
Speaker 1: was going to ask you, what do you feel threat?

1789
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 3: And you think he felt I wasn't a threat though,

1790
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 3: I think it was just the drugs. It's just, you

1791
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,839
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Sometimes you know, sh it just happened.

1792
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,560
Speaker 1: How do you feel about meeting your artists? Because I

1793
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 1: have never meet your idols, never meet them because was crushed.

1794
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 7: I was crushed, and I think that he just read

1795
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:34,759
Speaker 7: me wrong. I never give my birthday.

1796
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 3: He showed up to this birthday party that I had

1797
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles and I introduced him my first time.

1798
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 3: I knew him when I was a kid because because

1799
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 3: of a j Alexander so he I spent time at

1800
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 3: his house.

1801
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 7: I spent time at Boston. Time he cooked for you.

1802
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: No, no, no, But for the record, Bobby Brown was

1803
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: like one of the best cooks of all time all

1804
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:55,679
Speaker 1: right back to the show.

1805
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 3: So now I knew him, you know what I'm saying.

1806
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,600
Speaker 3: I drove driven in car with him a kind of

1807
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 3: sad well. I was kicking it with him, you know

1808
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:03,799
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And when I got signed to the Face Records.

1809
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 3: You know, I was always like a part of the crew.

1810
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 3: I was a part of the you know betwn crew.

1811
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 3: And plus his kid, uh hakem with his nephew. He

1812
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 3: went to school with me, so I would always kind

1813
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,680
Speaker 3: of be around with them. But anyway, I had a

1814
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 3: birthday party and he was in the house, you know

1815
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I got on the mic and

1816
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 3: I was like, ladies and gentlemen, I want to introduce

1817
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 3: you to the original King of R and BR and B.

1818
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 3: I said, the original King of R and B in

1819
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,560
Speaker 3: respect and at the time sarcasm.

1820
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 7: I think he thought I was trying. It was out there.

1821
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: I was like, you the original, but I'm the new king, right.

1822
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 7: So he caught me in.

1823
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 3: He was like, it's like that little nigga, he said,

1824
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 3: for real, nigga, don't get He was like, don't get

1825
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 3: sucked up or something.

1826
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 7: I was like, yo, hold up, man, for real like that,

1827
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 7: So you know what I'm saying.

1828
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 1: We you know, so I.

1829
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 3: Yikes, I kind of liked this, and then he kind

1830
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 3: of squared up with me and then they jumped in between.

1831
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 7: It was crazy, man, And I'm looking at them like,

1832
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 7: but I idolize you, you my idol like real, so

1833
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 7: you remember that, Like I don't think you remember that.

1834
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm celebrating he and my mother and them.

1835
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 3: They trying to pull me out of the place, and

1836
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 3: he like fuck, he like he going off on me.

1837
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 3: And I'm like, Bobby is me?

1838
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: Like come on, man, and what year is this? What

1839
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 1: year is that when that happens? What year is this?

1840
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: August seventh?

1841
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 7: This was this was after My Way.

1842
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: It had to have been at least two years after

1843
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: My Way, so I predict it's August seventh. Yeah, it

1844
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 1: was after my damn man, this after Candy Girl too, right,

1845
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: like decades. I can't feel you.

1846
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 10: Wow, you can join us? So My Way with that record?

1847
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 10: When just My Way happens and then you do the record,

1848
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 10: how did you know?

1849
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 1: Like when did you know?

1850
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 10: Did you said that you make me want it was

1851
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 10: the last one you did? Did you know that that

1852
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:10,680
Speaker 10: one was the hit? It was like, Okay, this is

1853
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 10: the one or did that just happen?

1854
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: Later?

1855
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 3: It just happened, you know what I'm saying. You know,

1856
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 3: for me, it was never about a hit record. It

1857
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 3: was about getting back to the stage.

1858
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:18,600
Speaker 1: That's it.

1859
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 7: You will get back. I need to get back to it.

1860
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 7: I need to get back to the stage.

1861
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: That was it gotcha.

1862
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 7: Rather it was a hit record or not. You know,

1863
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 7: La Reid, he had a job, you know, KP.

1864
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 3: They had a job to bring me the best records

1865
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 3: and help, you know, kind of tell my story because

1866
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 3: they knew that I really wasn't allowing just anybody to

1867
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 3: just kind of write, you know what I mean.

1868
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 7: Like we got getting the studio and got to work

1869
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 7: on it.

1870
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,600
Speaker 1: But let me ask, I mean, before my before you

1871
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 1: make me want to when you're listening to the album

1872
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: in progress, what's Ellie retain?

1873
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,799
Speaker 7: We just need that one, that one, that last record.

1874
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: So even with nice and Slow and My Way, so

1875
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 1: I was established hits.

1876
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 3: So now we wanted to come out with My Way.

1877
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 3: We wanted to come out with nice and slow. My

1878
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 3: Way wasn't even on this.

1879
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: You want to nice and slow first.

1880
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,560
Speaker 7: I wanted nice and slow first. So he was like,

1881
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 7: now you got to have an up tempo.

1882
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: So JD.

1883
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 7: He produced his beat and I just rolled with the beat.

1884
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 7: Roll with the beat.

1885
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because I can now. At

1886
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 3: that point, I was like, I'm all right, you know

1887
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, because it just take him. It just

1888
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 3: take him a minute to get to it. And he

1889
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 3: was going through some ship. I was going through some

1890
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 3: shit in relationship. Were talking it up, and then one

1891
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 3: day at three o'clock in the morning, he hit me

1892
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 3: up and I came over and the rest is history.

1893
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 10: After that record, when you went into eighty seven old one,

1894
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 10: that was that was the one that came after that one.

1895
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 1: How did the Neptunes come into the picture?

1896
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 3: For I think so, I've seen for Real a lady

1897
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 3: by the name of Candy Tooks. She introduced me to

1898
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,799
Speaker 3: for Real when he back when they were on Future.

1899
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 3: I think it's the name of that uh, when they

1900
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 3: were with Teddy so they were they was like studio producers,

1901
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And I met him, but

1902
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 3: there was no connection. I actually worked on a couple

1903
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 3: of songs. I think, yeah, I think it was my

1904
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 3: I think it was before My Way and I had

1905
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 3: seen him, but I didn't necessarily at the connection, so KP.

1906
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 3: He began to you know, he came in with these

1907
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 3: records and I was like, okay, you know, let's let's

1908
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 3: try to get in with them.

1909
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 7: Let's try to you know whatever. He was like, yeah,

1910
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 7: I think I got I got something, and I think it.

1911
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: Was I don't know.

1912
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:30,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm not sure if fronting was

1913
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 3: out or not. He was trying as hard as to

1914
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 3: get that record. He's China's hardest to get that record.

1915
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, because it was one I think I

1916
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 10: think it was for eighty seven on one that didn't

1917
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 10: make it Sweet Lies.

1918
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like ten I love two songs. Yeah, yeah,

1919
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 1: I still love that song.

1920
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 10: Yeah, man, was it is it? Was it any truth

1921
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,800
Speaker 10: that you don't have to call? Was originally for Mike

1922
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,600
Speaker 10: or was that just is that fan fix that I

1923
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 10: don't know.

1924
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 3: All I know is when I got it, l A

1925
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 3: went crazy and he was like, you gotta cut this record,

1926
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 3: and I was like, all right, I cut it, no problem.

1927
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 1: Are you easily. The thing is because the the the

1928
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: folklore of the Neptunes, especially when they're in glory in

1929
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 1: their glory period everybody wanted the Neptunes cut. But you know,

1930
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: initially hearing the Neptunes, it was a hard pill for

1931
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 1: me to swallow. No, it was a hard pill for me.

1932
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 1: I think the first beat I heard was I Can't Make.

1933
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know about s W. I mean, I knew nah,

1934
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: but that wasn't like behindset Tunes. It was I can't Make.

1935
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 1: The mistake was the first Neptune sounding song, and I

1936
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,560
Speaker 1: was like, okay, My first one was Mace. They was

1937
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: looking at me, You're right, okay, looking at him. I

1938
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 1: was like, what in the hell is it? And it's

1939
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: really sparse, you know, like it it's weird because for

1940
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 1: all for the for the folklore of how it took

1941
01:38:55,600 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: music listeners uh a minute to accept and digest when

1942
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 1: doves cry, like you'll you'll hear people in hindsight speak

1943
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: of like Warner Brothers was upset that Prince took the

1944
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 1: baseline out of it. D D D. I mean, when

1945
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: doves Cry didn't feel that foreign to me. But yet

1946
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: when I heard the Neptune stuff, I was just like,

1947
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: something's missing, like it, I don't know what it is.

1948
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:23,679
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of drums and they were using

1949
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: and like the stocks that keyboard sounds. Yeah, it was

1950
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:28,720
Speaker 1: just like I not a kind of plastic between them

1951
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 1: and Swiss like the era of the keyboard beats.

1952
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 7: It sounds like demos, like how to.

1953
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 1: Hit demo on the Casio is like, right, that's it.

1954
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: So how are they convincing you?

1955
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 6: Yo?

1956
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 1: This is the ship?

1957
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 7: They didn't.

1958
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 3: I got it from KP. So I was using KP's

1959
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 3: ears and when you don't have to call came on.

1960
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 7: It was it was hard that beat was They played

1961
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 7: it loud for you tell man, that ship was hard.

1962
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 1: Another thing Pharrell's world famous for how he sells you

1963
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 1: a song.

1964
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 3: No he did, He wasn't there. KP played the record.

1965
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 3: He I didn't meet them until after in the studio,

1966
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And then that's when they

1967
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 3: were like, yeah, we met you before we met.

1968
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 1: You back in lyrics on the original memo before you

1969
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:18,680
Speaker 1: got it, he did, So I seen it.

1970
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 7: It was real like straight Way shines well rise in

1971
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 7: our life, but.

1972
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 1: Real simple.

1973
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 10: Was that Around the same time, it was another record,

1974
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:38,560
Speaker 10: It's a Sweet Lies Certified, Certified happened after that?

1975
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:41,759
Speaker 1: Okay? That was that? Okay, okay, give you three hundred.

1976
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 3: That was back when he started working with Robin Thick,

1977
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 3: because Robin and him worked on that record, and me

1978
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:51,519
Speaker 3: and Robin had always been like this.

1979
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 7: Because I met him, I did it.

1980
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 3: That's back when I was like interviewing people and ship

1981
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 3: on MTV and I interviewed and introduced him to to

1982
01:40:58,439 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 3: the to the world.

1983
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 7: I was like, and he had long he looked like Jesus.

1984
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 7: I was like, man, you look like Jesus what they

1985
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 7: told me. He looked like, yeah, man, so well.

1986
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Also, we should know that uh eighty seven on one

1987
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 1: also contains the most unlikely departure sound of Jam and Lewis.

1988
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:25,639
Speaker 1: I was about to say, yeah, what uh you remind me? Yeah,

1989
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: you remidy Yeah, because I almost feel like you remind

1990
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 1: me starts the period of them. I call it witness

1991
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 1: protection Jam and Lewis.

1992
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 4: I know.

1993
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:38,640
Speaker 7: Okay, no, no, no, no, let me go back.

1994
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 1: Y'all.

1995
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 7: Y'all getting this all wrong because Terry's.

1996
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 1: Wrong.

1997
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 7: You're getting this all wrong. Nope, you're getting this all wrong.

1998
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 7: I gotta stop you. School is bro okay.

1999
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 3: So a guy by the name of butter it Is

2000
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 3: who produced You Remind Me, and he wrote it, and

2001
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 3: he wrote it with his sister. So he wrote it

2002
01:41:56,280 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 3: with his sister in mine and I got that record. Wait, yeah,

2003
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 3: this one, Mark, this one, Mark.

2004
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you didn't write it, So I'm sorry on

2005
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 1: another level. Now, yeah, the boss Bill want to sack

2006
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 1: the Black Coffee right now, go ahead tell you.

2007
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 7: But it wasn't. But it wasn't.

2008
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 3: Necessarily it was his production from the aspect of producing

2009
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 3: my vocals and also to kind of leading the record.

2010
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 7: But the record was pretty much what it was.

2011
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 3: I just it was so comfortable working with him as

2012
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 3: a vocal producer that I wanted him to be a

2013
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 3: part of that song. Okay, yeah, so that's the truth

2014
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 3: about the record. Butter is the original producer of that record.

2015
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 13: Wow, there was an album before eighty seven to one

2016
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 13: that got scrapped because I guess it got leaked on

2017
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:48,760
Speaker 13: the internet. How much did that actually wound up on

2018
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 13: eighty seven on one and how much of it the

2019
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 13: rest of it's just kind.

2020
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 7: Of eighty seven o one.

2021
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: Because there was a single, was a poppy collar that

2022
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 1: came out and then.

2023
01:42:58,520 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 3: It was back when you could actually put out of

2024
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:02,560
Speaker 3: and then just scrapping an entire album, right right, So

2025
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 3: that was a single that came out eighty seven, Yeah,

2026
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 3: eighty seven on one right. So I had worked on

2027
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 3: a gangastan Ganga songs I worked on.

2028
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know that popul Collar was an official It

2029
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 1: was official.

2030
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:18,600
Speaker 3: This is back when you could send a record overseas,

2031
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And then that was the

2032
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 3: they and then they worked it from overseas and you

2033
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,439
Speaker 3: just kind of got off of it in America. So

2034
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:26,599
Speaker 3: it came out here in America and they just deaded

2035
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:30,480
Speaker 3: it real quick and it became a record. It's huge overseas.

2036
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 3: It's crazy when I whenever I play that record, how

2037
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 3: they go crazy. I'm like, I hate this song really yeah.

2038
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 3: I mean I love it for the idea of what

2039
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 3: it represents in my career, but I'm like, I don't

2040
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 3: want to sing this song ever.

2041
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 1: Are there any other songs like that you just don't want? Nah?

2042
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 3: Not really, I mean I'm cool, but I mean that's

2043
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 3: there's certain things that I have tried that works, and

2044
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, why the fuck did this song work?

2045
01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:59,560
Speaker 7: Because now I got to perform it forever, you know

2046
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 7: what I'm saying.

2047
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 9: It was a short lived term popular college feel like

2048
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 9: it didn't last long enough.

2049
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, people didn't want to hear that. They didn't they

2050
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 7: didn't want to hear that one. Here.

2051
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 10: I was going to ask you talk about songs that

2052
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 10: you never want to perform again, and I was looking

2053
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 10: one of those songs.

2054
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 3: No it's not oh no, no, you know, and you'll

2055
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 3: be happy to hear this, you know. I love that record.

2056
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 3: I think I think that's the one record that I'm like,

2057
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 3: you do.

2058
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I love it.

2059
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: I love it.

2060
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 7: It's cool.

2061
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 10: I heard a story that apparently it was similar to

2062
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 10: I Guess what you make you want to wear? Y'all

2063
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 10: had finished Confessions and that was the last one that

2064
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 10: you felt it didn't fit the record. Yeah, ain't have

2065
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 10: shit to do with that whole album. But they was like,

2066
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 10: this is a hit. Fuck it, like you got to

2067
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 10: keep this shit.

2068
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 3: Well, they brought me to record. It was Shakir and

2069
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 3: La Reid at the time. Yeah, and they were working

2070
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 3: with Sean Garrett at the time. So they bring me

2071
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 3: the record and I'm like, Yo, this record don't sound

2072
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 3: shit like my record. And I I spent an entire

2073
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 3: however long it took six seven months working on this album.

2074
01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:05,760
Speaker 3: You want me to just throw this song on there?

2075
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah, it's a hit. I'm like, so,

2076
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:13,639
Speaker 3: I took the record and I played it for KP.

2077
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, man, I don't want to do

2078
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 3: this song. I said, but tell me what you think

2079
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 3: I should do. He was like, man, you crazy, he said,

2080
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 3: you're crazy if you don't cut this record. I said,

2081
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 3: you think so. He's like, yeah, man, you should cut

2082
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 3: this record.

2083
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 1: It's a hit.

2084
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 3: It's a smack. I was like, but doesn't it sound

2085
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 3: like he trying to be Michael Jackson, you know what

2086
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And he's like, don't sing it like him, sing.

2087
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 1: It like you? So who who did the demo vocal?

2088
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: Who was singing one?

2089
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:35,680
Speaker 4: Oh?

2090
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 1: Sean was singing that's right.

2091
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was killing me, dude.

2092
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 1: But I mean, we're skipping records. But I will say

2093
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 1: that when I listened to Confessions, well, I mean eighty

2094
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 1: seven on one questions, I said, but I'm just saying

2095
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 1: that the way that I hear Confessions, Yeah, to me,

2096
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: it's almost like the movie preview, Like in my mind

2097
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: the album still with throwback Yeah. Yeah, so just like, okay,

2098
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 1: you put a little preview at the top, kind of

2099
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 1: like snoops record. The Doggie style with rage starting off yeah,

2100
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 1: like okay, there's a little preview what you're gonna get,

2101
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 1: and then it really starts with the juice. That's how

2102
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: I always felt that year was like.

2103
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 3: The sequencing on it was perfect, right because it didn't

2104
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 3: make sense in theory to have a song like that

2105
01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 3: that had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

2106
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 3: And I was so like theme oriented because I kind

2107
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 3: of got into like I really want to say this,

2108
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 3: like I want us to talk about real hard shit,

2109
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 3: Like let's talk about all the shit that nobody will

2110
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 3: talk about. It was eminem. I was listening to his

2111
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 3: albums and listening to his records, and I'm like, how

2112
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:44,600
Speaker 3: is it that he can take the liberty to just

2113
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 3: say whatever the fuck you want to say on the record,

2114
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:47,439
Speaker 3: and it worked.

2115
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 7: I was like, I want to do that, and I

2116
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 7: was one lot of guess.

2117
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 1: I got one guess.

2118
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 3: But so then I was listening to country music to it.

2119
01:46:56,120 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's honesty in country music, the honest, So

2120
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 3: let's tell stories. I was like, let's just let's just

2121
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 3: sit around all five of us and let's just talk

2122
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 3: about all of the ship that has happened to us

2123
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 3: and We was all just putting it in the pot

2124
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 3: and it was like that's a song, this is a song,

2125
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 3: right then we're gonna do this. We say this, and

2126
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 3: then you know, we and a lot of it was shared,

2127
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, because a lot of them

2128
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 3: stories weren't necessarily mine, you know what I'm saying.

2129
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you to talk about John Tay,

2130
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 1: Austin man like him as a writer.

2131
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 7: So Johntay as an artist.

2132
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 3: We worked together when I was younger and you know,

2133
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 3: kind of making that round circle back and you know,

2134
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 3: just just finding our way, uh, you know, through through

2135
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,680
Speaker 3: whatever it was. Rather it was a contribution as a

2136
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 3: motivation or either vocal production or whatever it may have been.

2137
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 3: We really didn't make our connection until until here I stand.

2138
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 3: It was on here I stand that we really like

2139
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 3: he did this song for me called something Special that

2140
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,320
Speaker 3: I mean it might not be a hit, but it

2141
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:02,600
Speaker 3: really is something special. Like you gotta go back and

2142
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 3: listen to that album like people people I want to skip,

2143
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 3: but yeah.

2144
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 10: Right, just give to the ship. No, No, well two things. One,

2145
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 10: it's listen to you like describe your stuff. I'm now

2146
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 10: realizing most of my favorite usher songs are always the

2147
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:25,679
Speaker 10: jams that like were not singles.

2148
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,599
Speaker 1: So like my favorite jam off Confessions.

2149
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 10: Is follow Me. Yeah, Like that's the fucking one. Yeah,

2150
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 10: I mean, I mean the other songs. I mean it's

2151
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 10: so follow me is.

2152
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 1: That's a marker for true artists though, like, yeah, it's

2153
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: never the hits, it's the filler that yoh, but it

2154
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:44,120
Speaker 1: was the jam.

2155
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 3: It was so strategic, you know what I'm saying. La

2156
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:48,799
Speaker 3: was a master at that ship rather it was in Atlanta,

2157
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:52,640
Speaker 3: or rather was record man. He's the greatest record man.

2158
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 1: And is it because but you're also on Arister Records,

2159
01:48:57,400 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 1: So do you have any relationship to Clive Davis? What's

2160
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 1: at that time? I'm a period, I mean you were

2161
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 1: on arrest to that.

2162
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 7: I was on Arister Record at that time, but I

2163
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 7: was La Reid's artists, you know what I'm saying.

2164
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:11,599
Speaker 1: So, so there's not a point where as to remove La.

2165
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 7: And here's the great here's the greatest reality.

2166
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,640
Speaker 3: That was the greatest moment and the worst moment that

2167
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 3: could ever happen to La Reid because why because La

2168
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 3: Reid's ambition was to come to New York and to

2169
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:27,639
Speaker 3: leave the legacy of what Atlanta had created, and while

2170
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:30,280
Speaker 3: there was some there was some great shit that happened

2171
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 3: in it. I think that that legacy belonged to him,

2172
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 3: and I think that he should have never left Atlanta,

2173
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 3: because Atlanta lost everything when it lost to La Reid.

2174
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:40,839
Speaker 3: It gained a lot in terms of confidence because Atlanta

2175
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:43,720
Speaker 3: ain't ever lacked in confidence in being able to kind

2176
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 3: of be installated by its own world. And it's just

2177
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:51,160
Speaker 3: this this inflated sense of delusion that that that comes

2178
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:53,719
Speaker 3: from that place that makes whatever you say the shit.

2179
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 7: Now you believe it, you.

2180
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:57,759
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, Well, being as though he believed

2181
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 1: in you from the very beginning. Like what is your

2182
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:05,479
Speaker 1: relationship with him? Like? Is he the Barry Gordy father

2183
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 1: figure that you kind of didn't have or like, or.

2184
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 7: Is he just really it really depends on what day,

2185
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:12,400
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying.

2186
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:14,640
Speaker 1: But he's but he's when he's mad at you, Like,

2187
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 1: what is it?

2188
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:16,679
Speaker 7: He's He's never.

2189
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 3: Really mad at me. You know what I'm saying. I

2190
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 3: don't really give you a reason to be upset with

2191
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:21,640
Speaker 3: me and then hold on to it, you know what

2192
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I just seen him in a spin class,

2193
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:27,240
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles. He sat next to me. I was

2194
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:31,639
Speaker 3: busting his ass. But you know, we have a real

2195
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 3: odd relationship because you know, in his transition, I've always

2196
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 3: wanted to be supportive him, and I've always listened him

2197
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 3: up because I believe in supporting you know, black executives

2198
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 3: and also to being supportive.

2199
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:45,320
Speaker 7: Now I had a deal.

2200
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:47,280
Speaker 3: This is the crazy, This is how much I believe

2201
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 3: in supporting black like business and also to black entrepreneurs.

2202
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:56,679
Speaker 7: So I had to deal with Clive Davis.

2203
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 3: Like I actually formed my own relationship with Clive, and

2204
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 3: he actually supported a lot of my business, a lot

2205
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 3: of my business venture. You know, I wanted to have

2206
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:06,720
Speaker 3: a record label, of course, I mean, who wouldn't give

2207
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 3: me a record label with all the money that I

2208
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 3: made for him?

2209
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

2210
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:13,840
Speaker 3: But but the point was he he probably should have

2211
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,040
Speaker 3: been the person to have collected or either been the

2212
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:22,640
Speaker 3: recipient of Justin Bieber. But I took him to La

2213
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 3: Read because the legacy of what that represents needed to

2214
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 3: stay intact, you know what I'm saying. So wow, so

2215
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 3: but but but greater than that, It's like I just

2216
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 3: think he should have never left Atlanta. Man you know,

2217
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 3: and I know it's hard because Atlanta's you know, if

2218
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 3: you look back at it now, it's like, damn, well,

2219
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:43,600
Speaker 3: I want to be able to do more, so I

2220
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 3: got to go to La I gotta move other places Miami.

2221
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:47,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, but he had it.

2222
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:49,400
Speaker 1: Confession is the last thing he worked on.

2223
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 7: That was the last record he worked on.

2224
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: It should be noted that Confessions also represents to me,

2225
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:06,200
Speaker 1: probably the last product that people purchased, the last blockbuster. Yeah,

2226
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 1: because I mean at this what was the final numbers?

2227
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:17,959
Speaker 1: Like eleven million? Okay, okay, okay, I know in hindsight

2228
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 1: it probably sold eleven twelve million.

2229
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:27,679
Speaker 7: But in the States, right, nigga, I'm not talking about.

2230
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 1: All right, list Okay, I'm just saying that at the

2231
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 1: time Wing Confessions is out in you know, on Wax

2232
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 1: two thousand three, two thousand and four, you know, there

2233
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 1: was a nine next to that triangle in Billboard, which

2234
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 1: you know, after that period, after two thousand and four,

2235
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:55,599
Speaker 1: it's a wrap like people are now like the internet

2236
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:59,919
Speaker 1: is well with uh Spotify.

2237
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 7: You know, I think maybe it was Nelly and me

2238
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:04,360
Speaker 7: that was it. That was the last time.

2239
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:09,839
Speaker 1: But did you expect for you to be the final

2240
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 1: that final like in the final tornado of what we

2241
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 1: know as the music business, the old music business, like

2242
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:20,599
Speaker 1: you're the you're the period at the end of that sentence.

2243
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:26,360
Speaker 3: Straight up, I think that all things right are inevitably

2244
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:28,960
Speaker 3: going to come to an end. Nothing is going to

2245
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 3: last forever. And I think that record companies really did

2246
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:35,600
Speaker 3: take it, take for granted.

2247
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:40,719
Speaker 7: The the potency of what was getting ready to happen.

2248
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 3: I think they looked at it as, all right, we'll

2249
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:44,200
Speaker 3: give you these free goods because it just gives us

2250
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:47,240
Speaker 3: an opportunity to exploit and promote, you know, our product.

2251
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 3: But they ain't realize that, you know, and they this

2252
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 3: was crazy. I can remember the time when they were

2253
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:56,920
Speaker 3: taking the meetings to go to go to Arista and

2254
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:59,800
Speaker 3: other record companies to try to partner with them.

2255
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 1: In front of it.

2256
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:02,680
Speaker 3: They wanted to partner with them, and they were like, Nah,

2257
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 3: we don't want to partner with you. We have our

2258
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:07,320
Speaker 3: own solution. We know we're going to continue to create content.

2259
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 3: You guys, just do your thing. You know, it's just

2260
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 3: a little server, what you got. Whatever, it's done, it's

2261
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:17,960
Speaker 3: gonna die right fifteen years later, right, it's like, nowad

2262
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:21,120
Speaker 3: it's done. Okay, So now how do they feel to

2263
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:22,639
Speaker 3: be the last? That's the question you asked, right.

2264
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 1: Well, not that, but like at the rate where it's like, okay,

2265
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:28,720
Speaker 1: it was seven million, nounced nine million. Oh shit, now

2266
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 1: it's eleven crap, now it's thirteen million. What are you feeling?

2267
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 7: Pressure? Pressure to live back up to me? What is

2268
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 7: that like the pressure of living up to that?

2269
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 1: Like did you expect this album to sell thirteen million?

2270
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 3: I didn't expect to sell thirteen million, you know, but

2271
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:50,720
Speaker 3: I but I expected to, you know, try to speak

2272
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 3: to the next chapter of what my life was, because

2273
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 3: everything had been about creating the chapters of what it was,

2274
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 3: not to go back to what worked before, you know,

2275
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 3: and even that meant, you know, not working with some

2276
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 3: of the same producers, you know what I'm saying, and

2277
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:06,320
Speaker 3: leaving the door open for a new opportunity, a new

2278
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 3: a new story.

2279
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 10: So when you have a record like that, one thing

2280
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 10: I've always wanted to ask, like, there's you talk about

2281
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 10: the pressure, but is there a point where you just

2282
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 10: have just like I guess, kind of common sense where

2283
01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 10: it's just like, you know what, this is never gonna

2284
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 10: happen again, like kind of like you know, we talk

2285
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 10: about Prince a lot where he had purple rain and

2286
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 10: he's performing for like a bunch of white audiences and

2287
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:32,480
Speaker 10: like he's doing stadiums and you know, all this shit

2288
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 10: and he tells his man like listen, y'all, just soak

2289
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 10: this up.

2290
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 1: Now, come a little hippie. Yeah, Like this shit is

2291
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 1: never gonna happen again.

2292
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 10: Like, do you have that thought of like there's no

2293
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:45,840
Speaker 10: way artistically I may top this album, but sales wise,

2294
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:49,120
Speaker 10: like who the fuck is gonna sell thirteen million albums twice?

2295
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2296
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 3: If there's anything in hindsight that I do wish is

2297
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:56,640
Speaker 3: that I would have exploited at that moment a little

2298
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 3: bit more why it was happening.

2299
01:55:58,360 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 1: How so what would you doing?

2300
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 7: I mean, just more a business more.

2301
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:02,880
Speaker 3: I was trying my hardest to just kind of build

2302
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 3: a conglomerate around me, you know, and probably made some

2303
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:09,800
Speaker 3: decisions being overly ambitious and losing people who were very,

2304
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 3: very important in the structure of who I was. But

2305
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:14,440
Speaker 3: also too, I was moving into a space where I

2306
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 3: began to care more about business and I had a

2307
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:21,440
Speaker 3: better understanding and comprehensive, comprehensive, you know, idea of how

2308
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:25,480
Speaker 3: the industry was growing and I needed like my thinkers

2309
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:29,840
Speaker 3: or people around around me, and you know, I you know,

2310
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:31,640
Speaker 3: I just but I would have.

2311
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 7: Man. I can remember the last show, the last show

2312
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 7: for Confessions.

2313
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:38,400
Speaker 3: I was on the Truth Tour. I had Kanye West

2314
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:44,040
Speaker 3: opening up for me and I I was in Puerto

2315
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:47,960
Speaker 3: Rico and I had this promoter. It was like, Yo,

2316
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 3: you got to come to South America.

2317
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 1: You got to go.

2318
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:53,760
Speaker 3: You know, You've done Europe, You've done America, you know

2319
01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 3: you got to do Australia. You gotta do South America,

2320
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 3: Gotta do Asian. I was like, man, I'm really tired,

2321
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 3: Like I really have like bust my ass and I

2322
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 3: work hard. So I was having really really, really really

2323
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 3: bad back problems. So I was like, I gotta just

2324
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 3: I gotta go sit down. And the day that I

2325
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:14,200
Speaker 3: don't wish I would have kept going like shit, but

2326
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:15,960
Speaker 3: I mean, and my numbers are good, you know what

2327
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But but but that moment and what that meant,

2328
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 3: you know, it was it's it's actually it's my personality,

2329
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like I'm I'm never the

2330
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:27,120
Speaker 3: guy who is going to rest in the success of

2331
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:29,040
Speaker 3: the moment. I just can't do it, you know what

2332
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:32,600
Speaker 3: I mean. I'm not I'm never. I don't want to

2333
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:35,560
Speaker 3: be complacent. I have become a little bit complacent in

2334
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 3: times around you know, the type of the type of

2335
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:41,280
Speaker 3: work and focus that I put around what I was

2336
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 3: doing and used other aspects to just kind of, you know,

2337
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:45,360
Speaker 3: do creative ship.

2338
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:50,640
Speaker 7: But for the most part, I never. I can't just

2339
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:51,560
Speaker 7: rest in a moment.

2340
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:54,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so what's next, Like, wait a minute,

2341
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 3: let's exploit the ship out of this moment. This moment,

2342
01:57:57,640 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 3: let's let's go build a fucking clothing line was too

2343
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:03,920
Speaker 3: close Confession Fragrance.

2344
01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:07,880
Speaker 1: By Calvin Corr. But wait, I mean, how much more

2345
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:10,800
Speaker 1: could you exploit it? Because the confessions with six singles?

2346
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 1: Seven singles?

2347
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:15,320
Speaker 3: I mean in terms of music, yeah, I mean, I

2348
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 3: wasn't going to create another album, but I could have.

2349
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:19,720
Speaker 7: I could have went to I never. I have never

2350
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 7: toured South America.

2351
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 4: Never.

2352
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 7: I have never to this day.

2353
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:27,320
Speaker 1: Hey, I suld guess what, let's go to South America?

2354
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:29,480
Speaker 1: Have you ever?

2355
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:32,240
Speaker 6: So what are the continents that you haven't Australia either?

2356
01:58:32,280 --> 01:58:34,680
Speaker 7: Still? Yeah, done Australia to time and then you went

2357
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 7: to Man.

2358
01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 6: I know you went for your own but have you've done.

2359
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 7: Africa at all?

2360
01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:41,400
Speaker 3: Yes, I did Africa. I did tour Africa. I'm not

2361
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:42,400
Speaker 3: really toured Asia.

2362
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:48,640
Speaker 1: What's your what's your favorite places to travel? Like as

2363
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 1: far as like you get excited to go, Like, what's

2364
01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:55,839
Speaker 1: a good city? Like, I mean major city.

2365
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:58,320
Speaker 7: Suck, major city suck well.

2366
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:04,920
Speaker 1: And kind of get off cities are the best cities

2367
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 1: you can experiment? I think the roots, don't overthink it,

2368
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 1: and we just have fun.

2369
01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 3: There's something really incredible about Paris, man, Like, I really

2370
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:15,600
Speaker 3: do enjoy Paris. And once I got married, man, I

2371
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:17,760
Speaker 3: begin to enjoy all the places that I that I

2372
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:20,840
Speaker 3: go more because now I got a significant other that

2373
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:23,760
Speaker 3: really does understand how to enjoy life and how to

2374
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:26,440
Speaker 3: make sure that I am my kids enjoy life.

2375
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:28,520
Speaker 1: So your family travels with you on the road, now.

2376
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:31,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, well they did. They don't need more.

2377
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 3: I actually haven't traveled in a long time, brou Like,

2378
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 3: it's been a minute since I've been on tour.

2379
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:39,120
Speaker 7: Uh And the last one that I went on they

2380
01:59:39,160 --> 01:59:39,600
Speaker 7: were with me.

2381
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:45,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, it's it's there's a handful of places

2382
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:49,680
Speaker 3: like and I'm really looking forward to going to Zanzibar.

2383
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:58,880
Speaker 3: I love Africa. Let me see, uh Marrakesh, really, I

2384
01:59:58,960 --> 01:59:59,800
Speaker 3: really enjoyed there.

2385
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:07,280
Speaker 1: Cuba, Cuba, Son, Cuba, now, not later, right now always,

2386
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean even then, there's so much.

2387
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:13,920
Speaker 6: I know, but I mean like now, not later, right yeah, now, yeah.

2388
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:21,320
Speaker 1: Right now. If you're just joining us, we're talking to

2389
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:26,560
Speaker 1: Usher Raymond, the family man who is here to go

2390
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:32,720
Speaker 1: to Now I'm playing, I feel like I would be remissed.

2391
02:00:33,480 --> 02:00:36,560
Speaker 1: Uh if remiss I'm sorry. There's no tea on remiss

2392
02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 1: boss Bill so Bro, we got you. Yes, I was

2393
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:48,840
Speaker 1: remissed by cal said she missed me. Put that she

2394
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 1: missed me. I left her again, I was remissed. Okay,

2395
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:04,520
Speaker 1: that was fantastic. Knew it about your your spouse any

2396
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 1: anytime I'm in Gracie's presence, there's not twenty people that

2397
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:16,600
Speaker 1: i'd run to in point that your wife is Benita Applebum.

2398
02:01:17,080 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely she hates great, great, great Gracie used to be

2399
02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:28,640
Speaker 1: my product manager at Universal. Come on, dude, I mean,

2400
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:32,440
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a badge of honor as far

2401
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 1: as being I mean so so just playing. She was

2402
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:41,600
Speaker 1: the one is literally yes, she's literally the person who

2403
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:43,960
Speaker 1: inspired Apple.

2404
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:50,120
Speaker 9: She has a lovely backside. Well as a woman, I

2405
02:01:50,120 --> 02:01:52,120
Speaker 9: would just like to say, I know you removed the pic,

2406
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:55,720
Speaker 9: but I saw the pick. I appreciate it, help could

2407
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:57,640
Speaker 9: help it and wow.

2408
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:06,000
Speaker 1: But she obviously she's artistic.

2409
02:02:06,440 --> 02:02:07,320
Speaker 7: It was artistic.

2410
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:08,840
Speaker 6: It wasn't the fool.

2411
02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:11,440
Speaker 3: So what's crazy is that I got all that that

2412
02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:14,960
Speaker 3: that grief behind it. But you know it's it's okay.

2413
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:15,680
Speaker 6: We appreciate it.

2414
02:02:18,040 --> 02:02:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not even playing like no, I've worked

2415
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:27,440
Speaker 1: with Gracie for the longest and she's one of the Like,

2416
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:30,160
Speaker 1: I think she's one of the best things to happen

2417
02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:30,360
Speaker 1: to you.

2418
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:31,640
Speaker 7: I'm in love with my wife.

2419
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:34,840
Speaker 1: We love your wife too, respect.

2420
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:37,560
Speaker 10: For Yeah, man, I'm in what did you learn from

2421
02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:40,520
Speaker 10: the first marriage going into the second marriage?

2422
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:44,440
Speaker 1: And this is also the divorce clubs here, so you're

2423
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:49,240
Speaker 1: your monks? Yeah, brother, yeah, we got to come home?

2424
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:50,120
Speaker 7: What did I learn?

2425
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:54,000
Speaker 3: I mean paying this is my next album now. But

2426
02:02:54,240 --> 02:02:56,240
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like you can't write a book on

2427
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:56,680
Speaker 3: that ship.

2428
02:02:56,720 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

2429
02:02:57,480 --> 02:03:00,960
Speaker 1: No, I heard Raymond versus Raymond. You know, I mean, well, yeah,

2430
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:05,360
Speaker 1: can you get too confessional? Like, now, what does here

2431
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:06,400
Speaker 1: my deear mean to you?

2432
02:03:06,520 --> 02:03:10,280
Speaker 3: As far as everything, everything, the honesty and the music

2433
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:15,720
Speaker 3: is beautiful. I mean, it's it's the it's the curator

2434
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:18,280
Speaker 3: and the holder of our greatest emotions. You know what

2435
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,760
Speaker 3: I'm saying, both good and bad, you know what I'm saying.

2436
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:24,080
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of people are hurting and a

2437
02:03:24,120 --> 02:03:26,280
Speaker 3: lot of people that are looking for guidance in music,

2438
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:29,560
Speaker 3: and we don't realize how much like one simple message,

2439
02:03:30,040 --> 02:03:31,920
Speaker 3: you know, not it might not sell a whole bunch

2440
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:33,840
Speaker 3: of albums, but it could be one person's life that

2441
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:36,480
Speaker 3: that shit just you know says, or one person that's

2442
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:37,840
Speaker 3: just like trying to figure.

2443
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:39,560
Speaker 7: Out, Man, should I do this? Should I be here?

2444
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:41,360
Speaker 7: How should I be living my life?

2445
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:41,640
Speaker 1: And that?

2446
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:42,120
Speaker 4: You know?

2447
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:47,400
Speaker 7: But yeah, man, you can't. You can't overdo it at all.

2448
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:49,840
Speaker 7: Be honest, be truthful. You got to kill the truth.

2449
02:03:49,960 --> 02:03:54,320
Speaker 10: Well you talk about you know in papers. He was like,

2450
02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:57,120
Speaker 10: you know, I damn near lost my mama. What did

2451
02:03:57,160 --> 02:04:00,400
Speaker 10: your mom think about your first wife? You get And

2452
02:04:00,440 --> 02:04:02,560
Speaker 10: it's the reason I'm asking this. Did she give you

2453
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:05,600
Speaker 10: the like, no, don't do this, Like what does she mean?

2454
02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:09,880
Speaker 7: Much? The funniest ship in the world is how we

2455
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:11,240
Speaker 7: could go through all this ship?

2456
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:11,760
Speaker 1: Right?

2457
02:04:12,120 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 7: My mom?

2458
02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:15,640
Speaker 3: She she wouldn't show up at my first wedding that

2459
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:18,000
Speaker 3: I canceled. She wouldn't show up at the second when

2460
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:20,280
Speaker 3: she didn't fuck with my ex wife. She didn'ton't have

2461
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:22,080
Speaker 3: nothing to do with her, but she didn't want to

2462
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:24,040
Speaker 3: have something to do with the kids, of course, and

2463
02:04:24,120 --> 02:04:26,520
Speaker 3: then they fuck up, and they fucking up best friends.

2464
02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, so, your mom and the ex wife for

2465
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:30,080
Speaker 1: now cool? Nah, they cool.

2466
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:32,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if they they got their own odd relationship,

2467
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:37,680
Speaker 3: but they but they but their friends from the from

2468
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:40,200
Speaker 3: the perspective that she at least talks to her now

2469
02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:42,480
Speaker 3: and they actually are cool, which which is healthy.

2470
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:44,840
Speaker 7: I mean some progress. I mean that's a lot for

2471
02:04:44,920 --> 02:04:47,840
Speaker 7: her too. Man, She like she like nails, you know

2472
02:04:47,880 --> 02:04:48,360
Speaker 7: what I'm saying.

2473
02:04:49,160 --> 02:04:52,480
Speaker 6: Boy, Yeah, funny. I always wonder who's hard, like who

2474
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:52,840
Speaker 6: she is?

2475
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:55,240
Speaker 7: Absolutely who she is?

2476
02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:56,320
Speaker 1: Your mom?

2477
02:04:57,080 --> 02:04:59,440
Speaker 7: What was she very much? I mean, I'm a grown

2478
02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:01,120
Speaker 7: ass man. Now she can't really you.

2479
02:05:01,160 --> 02:05:06,240
Speaker 1: Know, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, no matter.

2480
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:10,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, she's gonna always be extremely protective of me,

2481
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:11,480
Speaker 3: probably too.

2482
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:14,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Well, I know your pen

2483
02:05:14,200 --> 02:05:18,080
Speaker 1: game is okay, not to play on the pun of confessional,

2484
02:05:18,440 --> 02:05:21,640
Speaker 1: but I'm sure by this period at least between a

2485
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:25,680
Speaker 1: period of here I stand Raymond Versus Raymond Versus and

2486
02:05:26,160 --> 02:05:27,600
Speaker 1: and the four albums.

2487
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:32,200
Speaker 10: That uh that just real quick, here I stand, I'm

2488
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:34,000
Speaker 10: may you know, I'm making like a big these are

2489
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:35,200
Speaker 10: big words to me.

2490
02:05:35,560 --> 02:05:38,120
Speaker 1: That is his secret life of plans.

2491
02:05:38,280 --> 02:05:44,960
Speaker 10: Like yes, I agree, yeah, like that was, And so

2492
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:46,560
Speaker 10: I wanted to hit on that a little bit because

2493
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:48,200
Speaker 10: to me, that was the record and this is just

2494
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:51,320
Speaker 10: from ours and I appreciate it like you because you

2495
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:52,920
Speaker 10: kind of did like you were doing like some E

2496
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:53,600
Speaker 10: d M stuff.

2497
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:55,400
Speaker 1: Well, I think that was. I think before that you

2498
02:05:55,640 --> 02:05:59,000
Speaker 1: had a couple that DJ No, that was it was

2499
02:05:59,040 --> 02:05:59,640
Speaker 1: after that it.

2500
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:02,000
Speaker 7: Was there was none of that that That record was

2501
02:06:02,120 --> 02:06:04,240
Speaker 7: pure right, and there's any.

2502
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:08,560
Speaker 1: Did you rush it? Because when I first got I

2503
02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:11,880
Speaker 1: think I got service with the white label. I don't

2504
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:15,000
Speaker 1: know if this ain't sex or I got service with

2505
02:06:15,080 --> 02:06:15,720
Speaker 1: the white label.

2506
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:18,280
Speaker 3: This ain't sex was on it, right, And then that

2507
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:21,200
Speaker 3: got camp And it's not that I rushed it. It's

2508
02:06:21,320 --> 02:06:24,320
Speaker 3: like they had an idea and you get right first.

2509
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:24,680
Speaker 1: Correct.

2510
02:06:25,560 --> 02:06:29,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, they understood what it was that worked.

2511
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:34,840
Speaker 3: I was being honest in where I was so not

2512
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:38,560
Speaker 3: being considerate of what I knew would work, I went

2513
02:06:38,640 --> 02:06:39,840
Speaker 3: with what I knew was real.

2514
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:43,040
Speaker 7: So I mean that's a compromise.

2515
02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:47,360
Speaker 3: And yeah, it didn't sell as many albums, but it's

2516
02:06:47,400 --> 02:06:49,880
Speaker 3: the most truthful album that I think I have in

2517
02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:53,760
Speaker 3: terms of a cohesive thought from top to mottom. It's honest,

2518
02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:58,000
Speaker 3: it's like and it's probably my vulnerable it's my most vulnerable.

2519
02:06:58,080 --> 02:06:59,560
Speaker 1: Title track as a mother. Yeah.

2520
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:02,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, that's the one.

2521
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 6: When you were talking about songs and lyrics moving people,

2522
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:06,080
Speaker 6: I thought about here.

2523
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 1: I stay in was like, so was that your It

2524
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:10,680
Speaker 1: wasn't clear P in terms of.

2525
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:13,480
Speaker 3: It wasn't cool to have a wife, you know what

2526
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:15,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And at that time, and I was like,

2527
02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:18,640
Speaker 3: but I do. And if y'all fuck with that, then

2528
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:21,120
Speaker 3: that's cool, you know what I'm saying. But eventually you're

2529
02:07:21,120 --> 02:07:23,400
Speaker 3: gonna get it. You're gonna get that party because you

2530
02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:25,920
Speaker 3: can't party forever. You're gonna eventually have to go home,

2531
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:27,480
Speaker 3: and you want to go home with somebody that you

2532
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 3: want to be with. The ladies got it because they

2533
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:32,280
Speaker 3: wanted it, well, some some of them, and then some

2534
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:34,120
Speaker 3: of them just was like, I don't want you to

2535
02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:34,600
Speaker 3: be married.

2536
02:07:34,680 --> 02:07:35,680
Speaker 7: Us especially to her.

2537
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know the reality of it that you

2538
02:07:42,920 --> 02:07:43,160
Speaker 1: know that.

2539
02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:46,080
Speaker 3: That marriage and that relationship you know, was gonna come

2540
02:07:46,120 --> 02:07:47,640
Speaker 3: to an end or what was. But it served its

2541
02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:50,760
Speaker 3: purpose in my life, and I think I became appreciative

2542
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:52,000
Speaker 3: of that, you know what I'm saying. And no matter

2543
02:07:52,080 --> 02:07:53,920
Speaker 3: what my mother was attempting to tell me, and a

2544
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:55,480
Speaker 3: lot of people were trying to tell me about that,

2545
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:57,320
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it had to do with

2546
02:07:57,760 --> 02:07:59,880
Speaker 3: my lack there of a father, you know what I'm saying.

2547
02:07:59,880 --> 02:08:02,520
Speaker 3: Like when I got into the idea of what I

2548
02:08:02,640 --> 02:08:05,000
Speaker 3: didn't want to be, I did not want to be

2549
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:07,400
Speaker 3: a person who would just you know what I'm saying,

2550
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:09,839
Speaker 3: just roll out, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, anybody

2551
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:12,280
Speaker 3: could do that. But you know, and I tried, you

2552
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:13,960
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I tried everything that I could

2553
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:15,920
Speaker 3: before I decided to, you know, throw in the towel.

2554
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:18,760
Speaker 3: I mean, should I even tried afterwards, probably broke a

2555
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:20,760
Speaker 3: lot of girl's heart still fucking around, but you know

2556
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:21,200
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

2557
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:25,920
Speaker 7: But you know, it's it it, Yeah, it was. It

2558
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:27,680
Speaker 7: was a phase that that needed to happen.

2559
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:30,800
Speaker 3: So part of it was a part of the evolution

2560
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:33,960
Speaker 3: and then in that I begin to understand what I

2561
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:37,000
Speaker 3: really wanted and the kind of partner that I needed

2562
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:39,960
Speaker 3: and the kind of support that I needed for my life.

2563
02:08:41,240 --> 02:08:45,880
Speaker 3: She showed up, Yeah, showed her when I wasn't even

2564
02:08:45,880 --> 02:08:48,840
Speaker 3: looking to. It's just you ain't even asked for I pray,

2565
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:51,280
Speaker 3: this is here's the reality.

2566
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:52,120
Speaker 1: You know.

2567
02:08:52,160 --> 02:08:53,800
Speaker 7: I was going through a lot, you know what I'm saying.

2568
02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:55,680
Speaker 3: I was like, here's at the point where I was

2569
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:57,360
Speaker 3: like living out of my office, Like I ain't never

2570
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:58,000
Speaker 3: want to go home.

2571
02:08:58,080 --> 02:09:00,440
Speaker 7: I just wanted to just like just there. You know

2572
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:00,840
Speaker 7: what I'm saying.

2573
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:02,320
Speaker 10: I didn't want to go home because what you just

2574
02:09:02,360 --> 02:09:05,760
Speaker 10: didn't want to face that like being alone or.

2575
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,520
Speaker 3: It's just I just I ain't want to Yeah, I

2576
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:11,640
Speaker 3: didn't know. I didn't want to be there. I just

2577
02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:13,960
Speaker 3: did not want to be at the crib by myself.

2578
02:09:14,280 --> 02:09:15,360
Speaker 3: I just was fucked up.

2579
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:21,160
Speaker 7: Man. I wasn't even working at that time.

2580
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:24,960
Speaker 1: I was like I was just Raymond was out.

2581
02:09:25,080 --> 02:09:29,480
Speaker 7: So yeah, but but then you know, after.

2582
02:09:29,720 --> 02:09:33,040
Speaker 3: I got a divorce, it was like, man, like I

2583
02:09:33,160 --> 02:09:34,960
Speaker 3: put it all on the line, you know what I'm saying,

2584
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:37,160
Speaker 3: and this is the right thing to do. I did

2585
02:09:37,200 --> 02:09:38,880
Speaker 3: it for all the right reasons. I wasn't trying to

2586
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:41,520
Speaker 3: get like some odd respect for what I was doing.

2587
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:44,800
Speaker 3: I was just doing what was honest and what was

2588
02:09:44,920 --> 02:09:47,560
Speaker 3: about the art. And I begin to understand the idea

2589
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:49,040
Speaker 3: of the art at that moment.

2590
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:51,000
Speaker 7: But I didn't want to.

2591
02:09:51,160 --> 02:09:51,480
Speaker 1: I didn't.

2592
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:52,960
Speaker 7: I didn't want it, you know what I'm saying. I didn't.

2593
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:55,120
Speaker 3: I didn't want to face none of it because I

2594
02:09:55,160 --> 02:09:58,000
Speaker 3: felt like, I don't know, man, I felt like, should

2595
02:09:58,000 --> 02:09:58,680
Speaker 3: I just put my.

2596
02:09:58,720 --> 02:09:59,800
Speaker 7: Neck out there way too much?

2597
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:03,720
Speaker 3: It didn't work. We did in jail really public. It

2598
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:05,800
Speaker 3: was really really public, you know what I'm saying, And

2599
02:10:06,920 --> 02:10:09,120
Speaker 3: it was what it was. But anyway, I tell my story.

2600
02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:11,680
Speaker 3: So my grandmother was like, you know, you should just

2601
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:15,240
Speaker 3: you should pray. I was like, what did I pray for?

2602
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:16,880
Speaker 3: She was like, I want you to pray for grace.

2603
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:20,520
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, I'm gonna just pray for

2604
02:10:20,640 --> 02:10:22,800
Speaker 3: grace because this moment is just hard to get through this,

2605
02:10:22,920 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, I just it's a lot.

2606
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:29,720
Speaker 7: And I prayed and she showed up.

2607
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't have a good sound effect for that.

2608
02:10:37,320 --> 02:10:38,040
Speaker 7: That's all I got.

2609
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:41,840
Speaker 1: That's all I got loaded. I can't. Yeah, I can't.

2610
02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:45,640
Speaker 7: Oh god, I got why they don't make a sound.

2611
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:53,280
Speaker 1: Well here you go, by Kelly, Well you you will

2612
02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:58,680
Speaker 1: destroy you. You mentioned him earlier, but you know, I

2613
02:10:59,640 --> 02:11:05,760
Speaker 1: feel the significance of you being behind uh want to

2614
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:10,320
Speaker 1: want to pop music's biggest stars and the route that

2615
02:11:10,480 --> 02:11:14,000
Speaker 1: you took him biber Velly, I mean not since Marie

2616
02:11:14,120 --> 02:11:17,800
Speaker 1: starred taking new kids on the block, the orchestrating their career.

2617
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:23,800
Speaker 1: How did you manage to gain the trust of the

2618
02:11:23,880 --> 02:11:28,680
Speaker 1: beavers and have them listen to you and for you

2619
02:11:28,880 --> 02:11:31,360
Speaker 1: to take them because you know, sometimes when you get

2620
02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:36,120
Speaker 1: an artist, it doesn't necessarily you know, workout as planned.

2621
02:11:36,280 --> 02:11:38,080
Speaker 1: Like if you if you can look at all the

2622
02:11:38,280 --> 02:11:41,240
Speaker 1: artists that have, oh I have a new protege and

2623
02:11:41,320 --> 02:11:44,160
Speaker 1: you're going to you know, sometimes it just doesn't work.

2624
02:11:44,360 --> 02:11:46,400
Speaker 6: And there was a war from what we heard between

2625
02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:49,320
Speaker 6: you and Justin Timberlake to where is he going to go?

2626
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:50,040
Speaker 7: Where's he going to go?

2627
02:11:50,200 --> 02:11:50,320
Speaker 6: Right?

2628
02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, Timberlake was in the picture.

2629
02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:54,960
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a lot of people who I did not

2630
02:11:55,120 --> 02:11:57,000
Speaker 3: know this. There were a lot of people who had

2631
02:11:57,120 --> 02:12:00,400
Speaker 3: interest in Justin. I think that you know Scooter, you know,

2632
02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:03,720
Speaker 3: once he found Justin online, he began to kind of

2633
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:07,240
Speaker 3: shop him around Atlanta, you know, because he wanted to

2634
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:10,120
Speaker 3: get with the specific type of artists from Atlanta. He

2635
02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:13,400
Speaker 3: wanted to have like some credibility, and I was at

2636
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:15,560
Speaker 3: the top of the list. But he and I were

2637
02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:16,120
Speaker 3: at odds.

2638
02:12:16,680 --> 02:12:17,680
Speaker 1: He and I. We had had.

2639
02:12:19,080 --> 02:12:19,600
Speaker 7: Me and Scooter.

2640
02:12:19,720 --> 02:12:23,040
Speaker 3: I ain't no Justin yet, so he and I were

2641
02:12:23,120 --> 02:12:25,360
Speaker 3: at odds. But there was a conversation about this kid

2642
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:26,840
Speaker 3: that Scooter was shopping around.

2643
02:12:27,640 --> 02:12:27,800
Speaker 1: You know.

2644
02:12:28,040 --> 02:12:31,080
Speaker 7: You know they say success has a million fathers.

2645
02:12:31,120 --> 02:12:33,400
Speaker 3: There ain't enough people that I could think, you know, failures,

2646
02:12:33,400 --> 02:12:35,080
Speaker 3: write and failures and orphan.

2647
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:38,520
Speaker 1: It's not enough people. I never heard of that idiom

2648
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:39,200
Speaker 1: in my life.

2649
02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:43,000
Speaker 7: Oh, success has a million fathers and failures and orphan.

2650
02:12:43,160 --> 02:12:45,720
Speaker 1: This is literally the first time I ever heard that too. Yeah,

2651
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:47,240
Speaker 1: Chris Love Supreme open doors.

2652
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:50,680
Speaker 7: Wow, got a sound effect for that.

2653
02:12:52,640 --> 02:12:54,680
Speaker 1: Someone failed. I feel like someone failed me by not

2654
02:12:55,280 --> 02:13:01,480
Speaker 1: giving me that I learned. So wait, what is it

2655
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:02,120
Speaker 1: one more time?

2656
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:05,840
Speaker 7: Success as the main fathers and failure as an orphan?

2657
02:13:06,680 --> 02:13:08,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll marinate on that.

2658
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:12,240
Speaker 7: No, but you know, he and I really didn't.

2659
02:13:12,280 --> 02:13:14,760
Speaker 3: We went we want seeing eye to eye and it

2660
02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:17,520
Speaker 3: was over some It was like fifteen thousand dollars, some shoots,

2661
02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:18,520
Speaker 3: some stupid ship like that.

2662
02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:21,720
Speaker 7: It happened back in the day when he was promoting clubs.

2663
02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:24,000
Speaker 1: And so you had a relationship with Scooter before.

2664
02:13:24,160 --> 02:13:25,800
Speaker 7: I had a relationship with Scooter way before.

2665
02:13:26,120 --> 02:13:27,200
Speaker 1: Oh what was he like?

2666
02:13:27,320 --> 02:13:27,440
Speaker 3: Who?

2667
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:31,520
Speaker 7: He worked with Jamain dupri and he also to work

2668
02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:33,640
Speaker 7: with Ludacris and go back and look at it.

2669
02:13:33,800 --> 02:13:34,680
Speaker 1: So he's from Atlanta.

2670
02:13:35,120 --> 02:13:36,840
Speaker 7: He was in Atlanta. I think he was at Emory

2671
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:37,280
Speaker 7: at the time.

2672
02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:39,840
Speaker 1: I've only heard of Scooter once Justin came on the scene,

2673
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:43,520
Speaker 1: so I didn't realize that he existed as a business

2674
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:46,360
Speaker 1: person before. You know, yep.

2675
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:49,120
Speaker 3: So, but he was actually managing an artist by the

2676
02:13:49,200 --> 02:13:50,800
Speaker 3: name of Asher Roth at the time.

2677
02:13:51,640 --> 02:13:56,040
Speaker 1: So I loved College Pennsylvania. But still I claim him.

2678
02:13:56,120 --> 02:13:59,960
Speaker 3: So he introduced Asher Roth, and he had this kid

2679
02:14:00,080 --> 02:14:01,880
Speaker 3: that he was interested in, but he didn't really know

2680
02:14:01,960 --> 02:14:02,680
Speaker 3: what to do with him.

2681
02:14:03,200 --> 02:14:05,400
Speaker 7: So he was, you know, kind of shopping him around.

2682
02:14:05,560 --> 02:14:08,040
Speaker 7: He had Justin intro interested in him.

2683
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:10,480
Speaker 3: You know, they were trying to get the kid, and

2684
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:11,960
Speaker 3: he was like, but I really want to you know,

2685
02:14:12,080 --> 02:14:14,760
Speaker 3: I really want to fuck with Usher. So I think

2686
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:17,360
Speaker 3: that it was Terrence Carter, who was my road manager

2687
02:14:17,400 --> 02:14:19,680
Speaker 3: at the time. My homeboy was with me, Keith Thomas,

2688
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:25,120
Speaker 3: Sherry Hughgley or Sherry Riley. Now, by the way, incredible

2689
02:14:25,160 --> 02:14:28,200
Speaker 3: book Exponential Life. She just introduced that book. I wrote

2690
02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:29,960
Speaker 3: the ford and it, so y'all, y'all checked that out.

2691
02:14:29,960 --> 02:14:37,440
Speaker 3: But Exponential Life anyway, No Exponential Living, my bad. So anyway,

2692
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:40,440
Speaker 3: all of these people are like, you need to meet

2693
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:43,560
Speaker 3: this kid, and I'm like, well, who is he? They're like,

2694
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:46,200
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's just a special kid and everybody's

2695
02:14:46,200 --> 02:14:47,520
Speaker 3: trying to get at him. He's you know, he's a

2696
02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:50,040
Speaker 3: little white kid that school to guy and everybody love him.

2697
02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:52,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, man, look I said, you know,

2698
02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:54,800
Speaker 3: I'm cool, man, I'm just I don't want to be

2699
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:56,720
Speaker 3: in business with dude because I'm just you know, we

2700
02:14:57,120 --> 02:14:59,120
Speaker 3: we just had words. We almost came to blows one

2701
02:14:59,240 --> 02:15:02,000
Speaker 3: time because we just can't. We angry at each other.

2702
02:15:02,680 --> 02:15:07,400
Speaker 3: So I decided that I was going to know. I

2703
02:15:07,520 --> 02:15:11,200
Speaker 3: was going to studio, and this little kid comes out

2704
02:15:11,240 --> 02:15:15,080
Speaker 3: of the studio at JD's studio and I'm like, okay,

2705
02:15:15,200 --> 02:15:17,640
Speaker 3: what's up. There's like, I'm the kid they've been telling

2706
02:15:17,640 --> 02:15:20,400
Speaker 3: you about. I'm justin Bieber. I'm like, well, nice to

2707
02:15:20,440 --> 02:15:20,680
Speaker 3: meet you.

2708
02:15:20,880 --> 02:15:21,040
Speaker 1: Justin.

2709
02:15:21,040 --> 02:15:22,760
Speaker 7: He said, can I sing for you? I was like, no,

2710
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:23,400
Speaker 7: you can't.

2711
02:15:24,640 --> 02:15:29,120
Speaker 1: See that's how it always it should work. Yeah, so

2712
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:29,760
Speaker 1: I said no.

2713
02:15:30,040 --> 02:15:32,160
Speaker 3: I said, but what I will do is I'll reach

2714
02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:33,920
Speaker 3: out to your manager and make some time maybe to

2715
02:15:33,960 --> 02:15:34,720
Speaker 3: meet you sometimes.

2716
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:35,000
Speaker 1: Cool.

2717
02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:37,040
Speaker 7: He was like yeah, I said, if it's meant to happen,

2718
02:15:37,480 --> 02:15:39,960
Speaker 7: then i'll see you again. He's like, okay.

2719
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:40,640
Speaker 1: Cool.

2720
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:42,600
Speaker 7: So I went to the studio and.

2721
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:48,520
Speaker 1: Did you have inten on really seeing him again? No? Yo,

2722
02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:49,080
Speaker 1: that's real.

2723
02:15:49,200 --> 02:15:49,280
Speaker 6: Yo.

2724
02:15:49,480 --> 02:15:51,320
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did.

2725
02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:54,520
Speaker 3: I didn't because I still was like, you know, I

2726
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:56,600
Speaker 3: don't want to. I don't even want to invest in it.

2727
02:15:57,120 --> 02:15:59,840
Speaker 3: But it was it was two things even no. It

2728
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:03,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't that I didn't plan on seeing him again.

2729
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:08,240
Speaker 3: I didn't plan on rushing to hit uh to call Scooter.

2730
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:10,640
Speaker 3: Because I seen him and I saw it, I was like,

2731
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:15,240
Speaker 3: I was like, na, this kid got something. So I

2732
02:16:15,320 --> 02:16:18,120
Speaker 3: was like, but I'm good. So I went in the

2733
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:20,680
Speaker 3: studio and I was like, you know, I mean it

2734
02:16:20,760 --> 02:16:22,480
Speaker 3: was that kid and they were like, oh man, that's

2735
02:16:22,720 --> 02:16:24,200
Speaker 3: some some artists a Schooter guy.

2736
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:26,560
Speaker 7: I was like, y'all gonna do anything? With that kid,

2737
02:16:26,640 --> 02:16:29,160
Speaker 7: and they were like, nah, man, it just I was

2738
02:16:29,240 --> 02:16:30,360
Speaker 7: like cool.

2739
02:16:31,640 --> 02:16:34,920
Speaker 3: So then I walked out after my session and I

2740
02:16:35,080 --> 02:16:37,920
Speaker 3: played because I then looked on Once I saw the kid,

2741
02:16:37,959 --> 02:16:39,960
Speaker 3: I went and looked them online. I was like, oh,

2742
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:44,080
Speaker 3: this kid he got something. So then I called my homie.

2743
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:45,960
Speaker 3: I was like, yoh, y'all right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

2744
02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:49,400
Speaker 3: So I went home, showed it to my wife at

2745
02:16:49,440 --> 02:16:52,840
Speaker 3: the time, and Perry Reid was there. She was like

2746
02:16:54,040 --> 02:16:58,080
Speaker 3: pebble pebbles. She was like, are you crazy? Have you

2747
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:01,280
Speaker 3: lost your mind? I was like, I don't really fuck

2748
02:17:01,320 --> 02:17:02,440
Speaker 3: with him like that. You know what I'm saying. I

2749
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:03,960
Speaker 3: just I don't even want to get into business because

2750
02:17:03,959 --> 02:17:07,200
Speaker 3: it's gonna be She's like, if you don't sign this artist,

2751
02:17:07,720 --> 02:17:10,400
Speaker 3: you are the stupidest person ever.

2752
02:17:11,680 --> 02:17:12,400
Speaker 1: Are you crazy?

2753
02:17:12,480 --> 02:17:13,640
Speaker 7: So I was like for real?

2754
02:17:13,720 --> 02:17:14,240
Speaker 5: She was like yeah.

2755
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:14,920
Speaker 1: I was like I get it.

2756
02:17:15,000 --> 02:17:16,480
Speaker 3: She said, yeah, you can get past all that. You

2757
02:17:16,520 --> 02:17:18,800
Speaker 3: should get pasted all that for this artist because he

2758
02:17:18,879 --> 02:17:23,320
Speaker 3: needs you. So I then reached out to Scooter. He

2759
02:17:23,480 --> 02:17:25,640
Speaker 3: was like, all right, cool, we had to fly fly

2760
02:17:25,800 --> 02:17:27,959
Speaker 3: his mom, him and his mom back down to Atlanta.

2761
02:17:29,320 --> 02:17:31,160
Speaker 3: He came to my studio the next day he sang

2762
02:17:31,240 --> 02:17:33,920
Speaker 3: for me, and I was like, you know, let's take

2763
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:35,600
Speaker 3: a picture because it's be a part of history.

2764
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:37,280
Speaker 7: If it was intended for it to happen, then it

2765
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:38,840
Speaker 7: will happen, right. He was like yeah, cool.

2766
02:17:39,720 --> 02:17:41,959
Speaker 3: So that night I was like, listen, ain't nobody else

2767
02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:44,440
Speaker 3: that you could have this artist work with this artist

2768
02:17:44,480 --> 02:17:46,760
Speaker 3: with I'm the guy period, you know if you He

2769
02:17:46,840 --> 02:17:48,800
Speaker 3: was like, well, I got Justin and you know interested

2770
02:17:48,920 --> 02:17:50,160
Speaker 3: they put, you know, put the on the there.

2771
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:51,600
Speaker 7: I said, I'm not gonna put nothing on the table.

2772
02:17:52,040 --> 02:17:54,000
Speaker 7: I said, it's on you to make the right decision,

2773
02:17:54,640 --> 02:17:57,520
Speaker 7: but be clear that can only be one Justin.

2774
02:17:58,879 --> 02:18:08,800
Speaker 1: Oh up, Shade. Wait can I ask? But no, that's

2775
02:18:08,840 --> 02:18:13,400
Speaker 1: really and I'm I'm I'm literally going against my rules

2776
02:18:13,480 --> 02:18:17,320
Speaker 1: of this show to not be sensationalists and gossipy. But

2777
02:18:17,480 --> 02:18:23,359
Speaker 1: I never asked, like what is your standing with your contemporaries,

2778
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:27,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm just saying with us, It's like, okay, I'm

2779
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:31,560
Speaker 1: down with common, I'm down with most and you know

2780
02:18:31,800 --> 02:18:35,400
Speaker 1: my contemporaries like are you you beefing with Chris Brown?

2781
02:18:35,560 --> 02:18:37,320
Speaker 7: I got beef with How could I be?

2782
02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:41,960
Speaker 1: He's yeah, I'm about to say, I mean, come on, like,

2783
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:44,640
Speaker 1: who else is singing and dancing like usher? I just

2784
02:18:44,760 --> 02:18:47,280
Speaker 1: meant like, I don't know what you're I've never seen

2785
02:18:47,320 --> 02:18:50,560
Speaker 1: you and together or so.

2786
02:18:50,760 --> 02:18:53,840
Speaker 3: There's there's always those stories, those things that people say, well, damn,

2787
02:18:53,879 --> 02:18:56,320
Speaker 3: I wish I had had you been smarter, been the

2788
02:18:56,440 --> 02:18:58,720
Speaker 3: right time, not passed up on this artist, not do

2789
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:01,039
Speaker 3: this thing, not do that right. So there's one thing

2790
02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:05,560
Speaker 3: in my career that I definitely regret one thing, and

2791
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:08,039
Speaker 3: to this day I battle with it, which is why

2792
02:19:08,120 --> 02:19:11,680
Speaker 3: I always show support for this artist whenever he asks,

2793
02:19:11,800 --> 02:19:14,560
Speaker 3: and I've always kind of like it ended up being

2794
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:16,440
Speaker 3: more of a relationship. There's a reason why I'm drawing

2795
02:19:16,480 --> 02:19:17,279
Speaker 3: it out like this anyway.

2796
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:22,520
Speaker 7: But so.

2797
02:19:24,200 --> 02:19:26,600
Speaker 3: Mark Pitts comes to me and he's like, I got

2798
02:19:26,640 --> 02:19:31,560
Speaker 3: this artist. And I'm like, well, you know, I'm just

2799
02:19:31,640 --> 02:19:33,480
Speaker 3: really focused on myself and he's like, I know that,

2800
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:35,200
Speaker 3: but I got this artist that I really think you

2801
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:38,800
Speaker 3: should see and I want him to be your first artist.

2802
02:19:39,240 --> 02:19:41,879
Speaker 3: So I'm like, all right, well, let me see him.

2803
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:47,520
Speaker 3: So his manager comes in, they have him, you know,

2804
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:48,760
Speaker 3: they show him to me.

2805
02:19:48,879 --> 02:19:49,400
Speaker 7: I meet him.

2806
02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:52,000
Speaker 3: I was doing this album at the time. They want

2807
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:56,080
Speaker 3: him to perform on this album. I was like, okay, cool, Yeah,

2808
02:19:56,520 --> 02:20:01,440
Speaker 3: that's cool. But I just I didn't get it. It

2809
02:20:01,600 --> 02:20:03,840
Speaker 3: wasn't that I didn't get it. I was I was

2810
02:20:03,879 --> 02:20:07,160
Speaker 3: a bit like, I'm gonna be honest. I was intimidated.

2811
02:20:08,120 --> 02:20:11,320
Speaker 3: Let me get these sound listen. I was intimidated by

2812
02:20:11,480 --> 02:20:15,520
Speaker 3: what it meant to move to the place of mentoring

2813
02:20:15,680 --> 02:20:18,440
Speaker 3: artists and not be the artist. So I felt like,

2814
02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:21,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to fuck that up, and I don't

2815
02:20:21,400 --> 02:20:23,200
Speaker 3: want to stop what I think I'm doing right now

2816
02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:25,920
Speaker 3: and do it too early. It was a it was

2817
02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:28,199
Speaker 3: a mature thing, but not clear, you know what I'm saying.

2818
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:31,000
Speaker 3: And then I went to I went to my team

2819
02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:32,320
Speaker 3: and I was like, I really want to work with

2820
02:20:32,360 --> 02:20:33,480
Speaker 3: this artist, and they was like, I don't think you

2821
02:20:33,480 --> 02:20:33,920
Speaker 3: should do it.

2822
02:20:34,280 --> 02:20:36,119
Speaker 7: I don't think you should. You know you you should

2823
02:20:36,120 --> 02:20:40,879
Speaker 7: work with this artist. And then he left.

2824
02:20:43,280 --> 02:20:48,240
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, whoa all right? I got my sound effect? Ready?

2825
02:20:48,440 --> 02:20:49,800
Speaker 7: Who Chris Brown?

2826
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:56,119
Speaker 1: Wait? He's Mark Pinson's artist.

2827
02:20:56,160 --> 02:20:58,120
Speaker 3: He was, He was a Mark Pitts artist at the time.

2828
02:20:59,080 --> 02:21:00,960
Speaker 3: But I just think it's like when I think about

2829
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:01,560
Speaker 3: all if.

2830
02:21:01,480 --> 02:21:03,880
Speaker 1: You had a chance to do you even think you

2831
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:05,600
Speaker 1: would have had an impact. I'm just trying to tell

2832
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:09,480
Speaker 1: you if yeah, well that makes sense because Chris Brown,

2833
02:21:09,800 --> 02:21:13,000
Speaker 1: really it was like the next in lineage of Bobby Brown.

2834
02:21:13,080 --> 02:21:18,920
Speaker 1: He Bobby Bage, so it's like he's the next. No

2835
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:26,480
Speaker 1: that would make no, it makes sense why they would

2836
02:21:26,480 --> 02:21:30,360
Speaker 1: reach out to you too. I get it. Wow, but

2837
02:21:30,440 --> 02:21:33,560
Speaker 1: I passed man. So if so, had you, well, okay,

2838
02:21:33,720 --> 02:21:38,960
Speaker 1: Now in hindsight, do you feel you were why? Because

2839
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:39,760
Speaker 1: here's the thing.

2840
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:41,520
Speaker 3: I think that every artist has something to go through,

2841
02:21:41,640 --> 02:21:43,600
Speaker 3: all right, because if you even look at the success

2842
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:47,640
Speaker 3: of what Justin is right because they went through similar ship.

2843
02:21:47,720 --> 02:21:51,080
Speaker 3: But the reality is having the right people around, having

2844
02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:53,800
Speaker 3: the right support, that changes the dynamic of how it

2845
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:54,480
Speaker 3: pans out.

2846
02:21:54,680 --> 02:21:59,920
Speaker 1: You're an anomaly though, because I just I don't believe.

2847
02:22:00,120 --> 02:22:02,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't believe it. I don't believe in

2848
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:05,600
Speaker 1: the artists being I don't believe in artists being their

2849
02:22:05,640 --> 02:22:08,640
Speaker 1: own managers. And I know there's a git. I know

2850
02:22:08,720 --> 02:22:11,960
Speaker 1: there's a grip of artists that are in my inbox,

2851
02:22:12,120 --> 02:22:14,800
Speaker 1: in my DM, on Twitter and all over.

2852
02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:17,600
Speaker 7: There's a ton of shit that I I wasn't the.

2853
02:22:17,640 --> 02:22:19,680
Speaker 1: Four things in my life and I got lucky with it.

2854
02:22:19,920 --> 02:22:22,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I'm responsible for Jill whatever. But

2855
02:22:22,280 --> 02:22:26,440
Speaker 1: it's like Jill's slum village. Blow. I don't. Maybe there's

2856
02:22:26,520 --> 02:22:30,800
Speaker 1: one Cody, I guess, but I've made a life of

2857
02:22:30,920 --> 02:22:32,640
Speaker 1: avoiding that moment.

2858
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:35,280
Speaker 6: While you smiling, I'm smiling at Bill, Please don't look

2859
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:35,440
Speaker 6: at me.

2860
02:22:35,959 --> 02:22:38,119
Speaker 1: You're just like, I guess, Yeah, because.

2861
02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:38,640
Speaker 7: Cody was a real person.

2862
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:39,960
Speaker 6: We were just like, yes, Cody, Oh no, no, no,

2863
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:40,760
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't.

2864
02:22:40,879 --> 02:22:44,440
Speaker 3: Know what the level of it's intimidating to get out

2865
02:22:44,480 --> 02:22:46,560
Speaker 3: of the comfort zone to where you are and begin

2866
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:48,360
Speaker 3: to have the responsibility of other people.

2867
02:22:48,440 --> 02:22:49,840
Speaker 7: Man, it's a lot of Man.

2868
02:22:50,879 --> 02:22:54,360
Speaker 1: I just think artists make horrible business, Like you're either

2869
02:22:54,440 --> 02:22:56,280
Speaker 1: going to be a business person or you're going to

2870
02:22:56,320 --> 02:22:56,959
Speaker 1: be an artist.

2871
02:22:57,240 --> 02:23:01,560
Speaker 3: And listen off the heels of having three artists that

2872
02:23:01,640 --> 02:23:04,280
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily fly, you know what I'm saying. You know

2873
02:23:04,600 --> 02:23:07,880
Speaker 3: I was, I had it was an artist by the

2874
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:11,240
Speaker 3: name of Melinda Santiago, a group by the name of

2875
02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:13,880
Speaker 3: One Chance in Rico Love.

2876
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:15,640
Speaker 7: Those were my first three.

2877
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:17,720
Speaker 1: Artist I was about to say I knew that.

2878
02:23:20,120 --> 02:23:22,280
Speaker 3: And think I mean that ended up panning out to

2879
02:23:22,400 --> 02:23:26,320
Speaker 3: be a great investment because I felt something different than him.

2880
02:23:26,320 --> 02:23:29,320
Speaker 3: I was like, I just think that you're an incredible writer, Like,

2881
02:23:29,440 --> 02:23:31,160
Speaker 3: and this is not a discredit to who you are,

2882
02:23:31,280 --> 02:23:34,480
Speaker 3: but you you really do know your way around melodies

2883
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:37,200
Speaker 3: and you know your way around storytelling, so you should

2884
02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:39,920
Speaker 3: be a writer. He was like artists, it's like, let's

2885
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:42,280
Speaker 3: let's just let's focus on so we got him a

2886
02:23:42,840 --> 02:23:45,879
Speaker 3: publishing deal and yeah, okay.

2887
02:23:46,840 --> 02:23:52,800
Speaker 1: So that's why I feel like, had you take it on, Chris,

2888
02:23:53,879 --> 02:23:57,280
Speaker 1: do you think he would have listened to you? I

2889
02:23:57,360 --> 02:24:00,480
Speaker 1: do you know? Prince actually went on record to you know,

2890
02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:06,920
Speaker 1: and and Loeus death. Uh, he kind of sort of

2891
02:24:06,959 --> 02:24:09,360
Speaker 1: went public and saying that he really wanted to mentor

2892
02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:15,880
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, and you know, but I don't know.

2893
02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:20,920
Speaker 10: I don't think Prince would have I don't think that's

2894
02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:21,600
Speaker 10: too far.

2895
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:26,360
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's a difference between generations and

2896
02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:33,440
Speaker 1: the post can't tell me nothing syndrome would have would

2897
02:24:33,480 --> 02:24:37,600
Speaker 1: have would have been like his Bobby Brown. I mean,

2898
02:24:37,680 --> 02:24:40,000
Speaker 1: like that would have been you know, I still think

2899
02:24:40,040 --> 02:24:42,520
Speaker 1: I am, but I think Bobby Brown was the aggressive.

2900
02:24:44,120 --> 02:24:47,240
Speaker 7: It ain't a matter of was. I still am.

2901
02:24:47,520 --> 02:24:49,680
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm consistent and I am a great

2902
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:52,960
Speaker 3: friend of his, even through the complication and all of

2903
02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:53,360
Speaker 3: this ship.

2904
02:24:53,480 --> 02:24:55,400
Speaker 1: So do you mentor him now, I mean.

2905
02:24:55,400 --> 02:24:56,520
Speaker 7: As much as he'll alive.

2906
02:24:58,000 --> 02:24:59,680
Speaker 1: Like, who are you close to now that you're not

2907
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:04,400
Speaker 1: to business wise that they you know you're there one

2908
02:25:04,440 --> 02:25:07,560
Speaker 1: am call like yo, man, like I need some advice

2909
02:25:07,640 --> 02:25:08,480
Speaker 1: on some like who?

2910
02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:11,280
Speaker 3: I mean it could be it's a ton of like

2911
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:17,560
Speaker 3: business people and young entrepreneurs, people whom I just make

2912
02:25:17,640 --> 02:25:20,440
Speaker 3: myself available for. Here's the reality, right, if we really

2913
02:25:20,480 --> 02:25:23,200
Speaker 3: want to begin to remedy some of the issues that

2914
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:26,000
Speaker 3: we have, we got to be more discipline ourselves to

2915
02:25:26,120 --> 02:25:29,720
Speaker 3: be people who share our information. I had this conversation

2916
02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:32,320
Speaker 3: with everybody, and I ain't talking about just mentoring people

2917
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:34,920
Speaker 3: in your company or because it's a company duty and

2918
02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:38,680
Speaker 3: responsibility to do that shit. No, find people to mentor

2919
02:25:38,840 --> 02:25:41,280
Speaker 3: and talk to them, bring them together, create groups, talk

2920
02:25:41,320 --> 02:25:41,760
Speaker 3: to them.

2921
02:25:41,640 --> 02:25:45,120
Speaker 7: As a collective because you got insight and off of that.

2922
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:48,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I'm I'm really tired of

2923
02:25:48,360 --> 02:25:51,960
Speaker 3: the reality of what we are, what we are, and

2924
02:25:52,120 --> 02:25:54,760
Speaker 3: how behind we are, and the fact that we don't

2925
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:58,000
Speaker 3: allow ourselves to come together because we just don't come together.

2926
02:25:58,160 --> 02:26:00,480
Speaker 7: We're not community, We're not community or oriented.

2927
02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:01,840
Speaker 1: We don't share.

2928
02:26:01,920 --> 02:26:05,600
Speaker 3: We think that it's better to continue to climb individually

2929
02:26:05,800 --> 02:26:07,480
Speaker 3: and not as a collective.

2930
02:26:07,879 --> 02:26:12,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I think now I will insert the modern day

2931
02:26:12,400 --> 02:26:15,720
Speaker 1: atl question that it was kind of saving us a

2932
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:24,400
Speaker 1: snowball earlier. But the climate that is Atlanta now which

2933
02:26:25,240 --> 02:26:34,080
Speaker 1: very very active almost at its at least it's commercial peak.

2934
02:26:35,920 --> 02:26:38,480
Speaker 1: I don't know about creative peak. Of course, that could

2935
02:26:38,480 --> 02:26:43,880
Speaker 1: be agism old agism me speaking. But are you are

2936
02:26:43,959 --> 02:26:50,440
Speaker 1: you the character and things fall apart, that is, looking

2937
02:26:50,520 --> 02:26:53,040
Speaker 1: at the land and kind of have a single tear

2938
02:26:53,080 --> 02:26:56,600
Speaker 1: in your eye, like what's going? Are you a stranger

2939
02:26:57,080 --> 02:27:00,440
Speaker 1: on a strange land? Which is your Yeah? You see

2940
02:27:00,520 --> 02:27:04,240
Speaker 1: the environment that is Atlanta now? Like are you relating

2941
02:27:04,280 --> 02:27:07,440
Speaker 1: to the stuff? Do you want to be politically correct

2942
02:27:07,480 --> 02:27:10,840
Speaker 1: and be like, well, Quincy Jones, is you know has

2943
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:16,000
Speaker 1: embraced another generation? Or like what is your feeling towards

2944
02:27:16,879 --> 02:27:18,040
Speaker 1: at least Atlanta?

2945
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:19,840
Speaker 7: Why don't you just say it exactly?

2946
02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:21,000
Speaker 1: What say it?

2947
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:22,520
Speaker 7: Niggas like just what he does?

2948
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:23,080
Speaker 2: This?

2949
02:27:23,320 --> 02:27:24,000
Speaker 1: What he like?

2950
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:27,560
Speaker 7: Just say it, like I'm an answer to how do.

2951
02:27:27,680 --> 02:27:32,480
Speaker 1: You feel about the ever changing environment of what Atlanta

2952
02:27:32,600 --> 02:27:35,360
Speaker 1: is now compared to what it was twenty years ago?

2953
02:27:35,560 --> 02:27:37,160
Speaker 3: By the way, it's always been that it's just needed

2954
02:27:37,160 --> 02:27:39,000
Speaker 3: a curator, a person who could bring it all together

2955
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:40,600
Speaker 3: and create some integrity in it.

2956
02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:43,920
Speaker 1: And what I was leading to is, are you now

2957
02:27:44,200 --> 02:27:49,680
Speaker 1: La Reid and are you realizing that you now need

2958
02:27:49,800 --> 02:27:55,520
Speaker 1: to be La Read of Atlanta? Or is that too

2959
02:27:56,240 --> 02:27:57,800
Speaker 1: a lofty of an idea.

2960
02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:01,119
Speaker 3: It's not too lofty of an idea because in theory, yeah,

2961
02:28:01,959 --> 02:28:06,160
Speaker 3: that might, that might have some I may there may

2962
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:09,160
Speaker 3: be some influence in that to the people who are

2963
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:11,640
Speaker 3: looking at what my career is. But what I'm talking

2964
02:28:11,640 --> 02:28:14,760
Speaker 3: about is more significant than just being one man who

2965
02:28:14,840 --> 02:28:17,480
Speaker 3: comes and takes advantage of all of the talent that's

2966
02:28:17,560 --> 02:28:18,879
Speaker 3: there and brings it together.

2967
02:28:18,959 --> 02:28:20,240
Speaker 7: I'm talking about a collective.

2968
02:28:20,320 --> 02:28:23,000
Speaker 3: I'm talking about a group of people who decide that

2969
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:25,400
Speaker 3: our business is important, of a group of people who

2970
02:28:25,520 --> 02:28:28,240
Speaker 3: understand that our culture is important, and as a way

2971
02:28:28,280 --> 02:28:31,440
Speaker 3: to introduce it. And yes, it does take it right,

2972
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:33,960
Speaker 3: but no, but it starts with a collective of people

2973
02:28:34,040 --> 02:28:36,480
Speaker 3: being on the same page because it ain't nothing worse

2974
02:28:36,520 --> 02:28:38,720
Speaker 3: than having a plan. And then you have other people

2975
02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:42,520
Speaker 3: compromising your efforts, which is going to be the case period,

2976
02:28:42,600 --> 02:28:44,279
Speaker 3: But it can't happen from inside.

2977
02:28:44,360 --> 02:28:44,959
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

2978
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:48,680
Speaker 3: If you have if we can just come together, man,

2979
02:28:48,760 --> 02:28:52,360
Speaker 3: and just start like supporting each other, not just getting

2980
02:28:52,400 --> 02:28:54,840
Speaker 3: on the record with each other, but like really helping

2981
02:28:54,920 --> 02:28:57,680
Speaker 3: and engaging in each other and understanding that the idea

2982
02:28:57,760 --> 02:29:01,200
Speaker 3: of growth isn't sharing. If you guys, if you got

2983
02:29:01,240 --> 02:29:03,600
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand dollars and two million dollars, that ain't shit. Man,

2984
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:06,840
Speaker 3: Gotta you gotta tell these kids like, look, you think

2985
02:29:06,920 --> 02:29:09,720
Speaker 3: you got something, but you ain't got nothing yet. It's

2986
02:29:09,760 --> 02:29:11,880
Speaker 3: not until you begin to bring all that shit together,

2987
02:29:12,520 --> 02:29:14,560
Speaker 3: aggregate and then and then build.

2988
02:29:14,920 --> 02:29:16,160
Speaker 1: Are they listening to you?

2989
02:29:16,280 --> 02:29:19,040
Speaker 3: They slowly but surely listening. But I'm only one person trying.

2990
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:21,440
Speaker 3: I'm only one person doing my part in it and

2991
02:29:21,840 --> 02:29:23,680
Speaker 3: in a perfect world, but you need who you need

2992
02:29:23,720 --> 02:29:28,879
Speaker 3: to gathering. Who are you gathering too in a perfect world?

2993
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:34,400
Speaker 3: Who what figures are you gathering at least locally to

2994
02:29:36,280 --> 02:29:39,920
Speaker 3: at least make this a sembilance of a reality. It's

2995
02:29:39,959 --> 02:29:42,720
Speaker 3: a common conversation with everybody that I come in contact with.

2996
02:29:42,879 --> 02:29:45,800
Speaker 3: It ain't just one person, it's people who are in business.

2997
02:29:46,320 --> 02:29:48,680
Speaker 3: That's the one thing that Atlanta has to have right

2998
02:29:49,360 --> 02:29:51,720
Speaker 3: in order to be respected as a major city and

2999
02:29:51,800 --> 02:29:54,440
Speaker 3: in business and culturally, it has to bring all of

3000
02:29:54,520 --> 02:29:56,800
Speaker 3: those elements together in order to make it. And that's

3001
02:29:57,000 --> 02:29:59,880
Speaker 3: oddly what La Reed was able to do at that time.

3002
02:30:00,840 --> 02:30:03,480
Speaker 3: The dynamic of what it is and what success is

3003
02:30:03,560 --> 02:30:04,199
Speaker 3: it's changed.

3004
02:30:05,160 --> 02:30:08,000
Speaker 7: It's changed. So now you got to figure out, Okay,

3005
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:10,199
Speaker 7: you know, do you get politics.

3006
02:30:10,280 --> 02:30:13,280
Speaker 3: So it's a matter of getting cashm read in the room,

3007
02:30:13,800 --> 02:30:15,160
Speaker 3: you know, managing to get.

3008
02:30:17,879 --> 02:30:24,560
Speaker 9: Oh wait a minute, that was a paradigm because it's

3009
02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:27,119
Speaker 9: a lot of property he has speak.

3010
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, is he a presence or is he just a

3011
02:30:29,440 --> 02:30:30,520
Speaker 1: studio in Atlanta?

3012
02:30:31,320 --> 02:30:35,480
Speaker 7: Nah, Tyler Perry is most certainly a presence, but there's.

3013
02:30:35,440 --> 02:30:37,680
Speaker 1: More active in the community.

3014
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:43,000
Speaker 7: Or you don't know, I'm he know who? No, I

3015
02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:46,200
Speaker 7: ain't gonna bite my tongue. I'm not that guy. No, no,

3016
02:30:46,280 --> 02:30:46,879
Speaker 7: I ain't that guy.

3017
02:30:47,400 --> 02:30:48,760
Speaker 6: And you're in the community, So.

3018
02:30:49,000 --> 02:30:50,400
Speaker 1: I ain't looking at the right to make sure the

3019
02:30:50,520 --> 02:30:51,560
Speaker 1: job is not going to stop it?

3020
02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:54,440
Speaker 7: No, No, it's not that.

3021
02:30:55,320 --> 02:30:58,360
Speaker 3: There's a certain expectation that comes with stepping into that

3022
02:30:58,480 --> 02:31:02,040
Speaker 3: space and no one wants to compromise what they have

3023
02:31:02,200 --> 02:31:03,920
Speaker 3: in order to do it. So it's like we were

3024
02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:07,320
Speaker 3: talking about it, Yeah, getting people to understand that as

3025
02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:09,520
Speaker 3: a collective, if you come together if you bring it

3026
02:31:09,640 --> 02:31:12,200
Speaker 3: all together, you're stronger and then you don't have to

3027
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:13,959
Speaker 3: compromise anything, right, But it's.

3028
02:31:13,879 --> 02:31:15,600
Speaker 9: That one person who's going to step out and take

3029
02:31:15,640 --> 02:31:18,119
Speaker 9: the chance with the other person and who's But why

3030
02:31:18,200 --> 02:31:21,279
Speaker 9: not it be Atlanta's the home of like black wealth

3031
02:31:21,480 --> 02:31:22,959
Speaker 9: right now in that entertainment?

3032
02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:23,640
Speaker 1: Does it still?

3033
02:31:24,200 --> 02:31:26,360
Speaker 6: And I just mean an entertainment type way it is?

3034
02:31:26,520 --> 02:31:28,600
Speaker 3: Is not in an opportunistic way because you see a

3035
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:30,800
Speaker 3: city that's growing like we can.

3036
02:31:31,560 --> 02:31:34,720
Speaker 1: I mean, but is it really you feel there's really

3037
02:31:34,760 --> 02:31:38,760
Speaker 1: in Atlanta right now? As it? At least I was perceived.

3038
02:31:38,879 --> 02:31:45,320
Speaker 1: I thought between between eighty four with people Bryson and Cameo,

3039
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:50,360
Speaker 1: that class of Atlanta and Brick like the Arm, between

3040
02:31:50,400 --> 02:31:53,120
Speaker 1: that first migration between seventy nine and eighty four of

3041
02:31:53,160 --> 02:31:56,240
Speaker 1: all these artists moving to Atlanta and two when you

3042
02:31:56,360 --> 02:31:59,920
Speaker 1: guys were the new Jacks between eighty eight and ninety five.

3043
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:04,960
Speaker 1: I always felt that there was a community Like Eric Simmons, like, yo,

3044
02:32:05,040 --> 02:32:07,720
Speaker 1: so I'm moving to Atlanta like everybody was moving to Atlanta.

3045
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:11,960
Speaker 1: Is there a community still or is it just like

3046
02:32:12,920 --> 02:32:15,240
Speaker 1: every man for hisself and every.

3047
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:19,560
Speaker 7: Man for himself because there's no formula, there's no business.

3048
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:26,720
Speaker 7: There's no Clarence Avon in Atlanta.

3049
02:32:28,400 --> 02:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Mhmm, okay, I'll straight up ask you, do you desire

3050
02:32:33,440 --> 02:32:36,160
Speaker 1: the stress and the headaches and the gray hair and

3051
02:32:36,320 --> 02:32:42,080
Speaker 1: the sacrifice of your personal career to try to be

3052
02:32:42,600 --> 02:32:43,240
Speaker 1: that clar.

3053
02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:46,000
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to be Clarence Aan, though I want

3054
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:47,480
Speaker 7: to explain who Clarence is.

3055
02:32:48,959 --> 02:32:54,440
Speaker 1: Clarence A Taboo Records, This is your show too, and

3056
02:32:54,760 --> 02:33:02,840
Speaker 1: Clarence Avant was the guy who go ahead and finish no.

3057
02:33:03,120 --> 02:33:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you know, my regret about.

3058
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:09,080
Speaker 5: Records Records.

3059
02:33:09,240 --> 02:33:13,879
Speaker 1: My regret about him is that I feel as though

3060
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:17,879
Speaker 1: the way he was painted in the documentary uh, Searching

3061
02:33:17,920 --> 02:33:21,080
Speaker 1: for sugar Man, Searching for Sugarman really painted him in

3062
02:33:21,120 --> 02:33:25,160
Speaker 1: a bad which I feel his you know, when we

3063
02:33:25,200 --> 02:33:28,520
Speaker 1: get to the Jam and Lewis episode, you know you'll

3064
02:33:28,600 --> 02:33:33,720
Speaker 1: see how important next to Don Corneli's and Barry Gordy,

3065
02:33:33,800 --> 02:33:37,680
Speaker 1: he was like one of the most important in stan Lathan, Like,

3066
02:33:37,959 --> 02:33:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, he's part of the power for that actually

3067
02:33:40,640 --> 02:33:44,400
Speaker 1: had power and resources in the sixties and seventies to

3068
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:49,720
Speaker 1: make shit happen. And so you know, if you had

3069
02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:52,640
Speaker 1: a problem, you went to Clarence Avons to smooth it out.

3070
02:33:52,840 --> 02:33:57,200
Speaker 1: You know, he's almost like music industries Jesse Jackson or

3071
02:33:57,280 --> 02:33:59,600
Speaker 1: Al Sharton like be to go to guys to smooth

3072
02:33:59,680 --> 02:34:00,240
Speaker 1: ship out.

3073
02:34:00,480 --> 02:34:03,160
Speaker 3: But everybody comes to Atlanta to take the peace of it,

3074
02:34:03,240 --> 02:34:06,720
Speaker 3: but they don't leave the structure that helps to continue

3075
02:34:06,760 --> 02:34:07,160
Speaker 3: to build it.

3076
02:34:08,080 --> 02:34:12,400
Speaker 1: He's learning the black lily lesson, He's learning the black lily.

3077
02:34:12,320 --> 02:34:13,119
Speaker 6: At least more people.

3078
02:34:13,240 --> 02:34:16,160
Speaker 9: At least more people stay and build their wealth in Atlanta,

3079
02:34:16,200 --> 02:34:17,680
Speaker 9: because that's like one of the you know, that's the

3080
02:34:17,720 --> 02:34:19,599
Speaker 9: difference between in Atlanta.

3081
02:34:19,320 --> 02:34:21,120
Speaker 1: Because now I'm here in North Carolina might be the

3082
02:34:21,160 --> 02:34:25,600
Speaker 1: new spot for sports people. It's Phoenix, like I'm here,

3083
02:34:25,720 --> 02:34:29,160
Speaker 1: I now Like there was a point where Atlanta was

3084
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:30,680
Speaker 1: like the place to move, but then you know, it

3085
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:34,080
Speaker 1: got overpriced and now it's hard to maintain a life

3086
02:34:34,120 --> 02:34:38,440
Speaker 1: there now here Atlanta. People going elsewhere to the Carolinas too,

3087
02:34:39,640 --> 02:34:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, to start again. So you know, it's I know,

3088
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:49,720
Speaker 1: I know it's sacrificial. So in some sense, yeah, where

3089
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:53,840
Speaker 1: do you where do you see? What's your next step?

3090
02:34:54,400 --> 02:34:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying your last step, but what's your next step?

3091
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:02,959
Speaker 7: Are really do want to make an album with y'all?

3092
02:35:04,600 --> 02:35:07,959
Speaker 1: Quest loves to problem about it? Yeah, I feel okay

3093
02:35:08,040 --> 02:35:11,600
Speaker 1: for those that don't know. When when the Roots do

3094
02:35:12,320 --> 02:35:19,120
Speaker 1: the Roots Picnic, our annual festival in Philadelphia, we like

3095
02:35:19,200 --> 02:35:23,440
Speaker 1: to do collaborative, community based projects because you know, we

3096
02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:26,720
Speaker 1: feel as though that's really the spirit of Philadelphia, the

3097
02:35:27,000 --> 02:35:30,440
Speaker 1: collaboration spirit, that's where the Roots really shine. We're working

3098
02:35:30,520 --> 02:35:34,800
Speaker 1: with other people. And I'll say that all the collaborations

3099
02:35:34,840 --> 02:35:37,760
Speaker 1: that we've done year after year, like we've done John

3100
02:35:37,840 --> 02:35:40,440
Speaker 1: Legend one year, we did Naughty by Nature, one year,

3101
02:35:40,480 --> 02:35:42,120
Speaker 1: we did Public Enemy, we did not as we did

3102
02:35:42,200 --> 02:35:46,600
Speaker 1: Wu Tang. I mean, we did the usual suspects. When

3103
02:35:46,640 --> 02:35:50,400
Speaker 1: we did our ninth year, we wanted to I wanted

3104
02:35:50,400 --> 02:35:54,680
Speaker 1: to pull kind of a non predictable move, and for me,

3105
02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:59,080
Speaker 1: that move was to you know, I was like, we

3106
02:35:59,120 --> 02:36:01,480
Speaker 1: should get a singer. You should just shock everyone, like

3107
02:36:01,520 --> 02:36:04,360
Speaker 1: who's that singer that people be like, wait, what the

3108
02:36:04,440 --> 02:36:09,240
Speaker 1: hell is this like? And we realized that Usher is

3109
02:36:09,320 --> 02:36:15,680
Speaker 1: really the voice of I mean kind of the voice

3110
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:20,320
Speaker 1: of his generation that really speaks to people. And so

3111
02:36:20,480 --> 02:36:23,600
Speaker 1: it seemed kind of weird on site, but then it

3112
02:36:23,720 --> 02:36:27,000
Speaker 1: started to make sense, and you know, I just feel

3113
02:36:27,080 --> 02:36:32,720
Speaker 1: like there there was race. I mean, you even kind

3114
02:36:32,760 --> 02:36:34,400
Speaker 1: of reached your eyebrother, like, what's I did?

3115
02:36:34,720 --> 02:36:37,120
Speaker 9: I was like, sure, had the roots picnic, but then

3116
02:36:37,160 --> 02:36:39,880
Speaker 9: when the when when the music started rolling, everybody was

3117
02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:41,840
Speaker 9: like it was like a shock to your system.

3118
02:36:41,959 --> 02:36:43,920
Speaker 10: Like, oh, yes, now that makes sense me because usher

3119
02:36:43,959 --> 02:36:45,760
Speaker 10: got jams, you know what I mean? And I ain't

3120
02:36:45,800 --> 02:36:47,440
Speaker 10: saying that just because you know you're sitting here.

3121
02:36:48,120 --> 02:36:51,320
Speaker 3: I just think that there's a revolutionary sound that compliments

3122
02:36:51,879 --> 02:36:54,680
Speaker 3: all of what you've been building and I really feel

3123
02:36:54,720 --> 02:36:56,840
Speaker 3: like I'm the voice to carry it out. Wow, I

3124
02:36:56,920 --> 02:36:59,879
Speaker 3: feel like there's a mission that is bigger than all

3125
02:36:59,920 --> 02:37:01,440
Speaker 3: of the ship that I've done in the past.

3126
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:03,760
Speaker 1: Damn. Now I feel like.

3127
02:37:05,680 --> 02:37:08,480
Speaker 3: But it's not it's not pleasure, it's not pressure, it's pleasure.

3128
02:37:08,920 --> 02:37:12,120
Speaker 3: Like you really should understand that it took all of

3129
02:37:12,200 --> 02:37:15,480
Speaker 3: that to get to this place where I'm open enough

3130
02:37:15,640 --> 02:37:18,960
Speaker 3: and I'm capable of carrying out what needs to be

3131
02:37:19,080 --> 02:37:23,520
Speaker 3: done and said both as a standard of business and

3132
02:37:23,640 --> 02:37:27,720
Speaker 3: also to a standard of music that leads to the

3133
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:34,720
Speaker 3: next chapter. It has textures of our roots, Africa, Cuba,

3134
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:38,960
Speaker 3: percussions music tying the reality of all of what that

3135
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:41,760
Speaker 3: is and then also to the truth. And it's almost

3136
02:37:41,840 --> 02:37:45,480
Speaker 3: like a project that's liked the songs and songs in

3137
02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:48,720
Speaker 3: the Kia Life like it. It's gonna be something incredible.

3138
02:37:48,959 --> 02:37:49,480
Speaker 7: I believe it.

3139
02:37:49,760 --> 02:37:50,360
Speaker 1: This is the record.

3140
02:37:51,520 --> 02:37:53,640
Speaker 3: I think it's a record that I think it's a

3141
02:37:53,720 --> 02:37:56,600
Speaker 3: record that we're gonna work on. I mean, but it's

3142
02:37:56,640 --> 02:38:00,000
Speaker 3: gonna happen naturally. I think that we've been we've been working,

3143
02:38:00,120 --> 02:38:02,640
Speaker 3: you know, working together, rocking together. But and now we

3144
02:38:02,760 --> 02:38:08,359
Speaker 3: get into a place where we're communicating. This is communicating community.

3145
02:38:08,640 --> 02:38:11,280
Speaker 3: We're communicating in a in a way that you know,

3146
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:14,680
Speaker 3: what I'm saying gets us down in the space of

3147
02:38:14,920 --> 02:38:16,959
Speaker 3: just being creative if you're.

3148
02:38:16,800 --> 02:38:19,400
Speaker 1: Just join us. In the final minutes of The Usher Raemen,

3149
02:38:19,480 --> 02:38:22,640
Speaker 1: the fourth episode of Quest Love Supreme, U, Usher Raemon

3150
02:38:22,920 --> 02:38:25,200
Speaker 1: is now proposing that the Roots and the Usher do

3151
02:38:25,320 --> 02:38:27,240
Speaker 1: an album together, and everyone seems pretty.

3152
02:38:27,040 --> 02:38:30,879
Speaker 9: Much excitedly what he's saying, like if.

3153
02:38:30,800 --> 02:38:32,800
Speaker 7: You go back to the Root, what he's like that

3154
02:38:33,240 --> 02:38:34,920
Speaker 7: it's all of it, though you no I knew.

3155
02:38:34,959 --> 02:38:36,600
Speaker 1: I knew from the gate it was going to lead

3156
02:38:36,640 --> 02:38:39,000
Speaker 1: to this, but part of me is like scared out

3157
02:38:39,000 --> 02:38:40,640
Speaker 1: of my mind, Why.

3158
02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:42,520
Speaker 7: What do you want?

3159
02:38:44,520 --> 02:38:45,520
Speaker 1: But you can't.

3160
02:38:45,959 --> 02:38:47,760
Speaker 7: But you can't look at it that way because it's

3161
02:38:47,800 --> 02:38:50,720
Speaker 7: something that Okay, let me give you the reality.

3162
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:53,160
Speaker 3: The reality is in the process of making all of

3163
02:38:53,800 --> 02:38:57,560
Speaker 3: the albums that I have and having the platform I've

3164
02:38:57,600 --> 02:39:02,400
Speaker 3: been I've been living vicariously through a lot of other

3165
02:39:02,480 --> 02:39:06,440
Speaker 3: people's reality. So even though they've been telling my story,

3166
02:39:06,600 --> 02:39:11,800
Speaker 3: I've been helping the world through like poems and through

3167
02:39:12,120 --> 02:39:15,200
Speaker 3: like the ideas of things, and then I've lived things.

3168
02:39:15,240 --> 02:39:18,160
Speaker 3: But I also to need to support musically to be

3169
02:39:18,280 --> 02:39:21,360
Speaker 3: able to tell that story and it not feel like

3170
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:25,040
Speaker 3: it's just a product for sale, even though it may work,

3171
02:39:25,720 --> 02:39:28,119
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, But being able to understand

3172
02:39:28,160 --> 02:39:31,480
Speaker 3: somebody who understands all those textures, you get it, you understand,

3173
02:39:31,520 --> 02:39:32,560
Speaker 3: but you can't be afraid.

3174
02:39:32,600 --> 02:39:35,040
Speaker 7: You gotta just allow us to just go in it

3175
02:39:35,160 --> 02:39:40,760
Speaker 7: and just and get it going. Because he's around, like

3176
02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:41,800
Speaker 7: this is a fucking intervention.

3177
02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:50,400
Speaker 1: We have a plane ticket ready for you to go. Literally,

3178
02:39:50,560 --> 02:39:56,440
Speaker 1: the entire room is looking at me at this point in.

3179
02:39:56,520 --> 02:39:58,960
Speaker 10: Your in both of y'all's careers, right, But I mean,

3180
02:39:59,360 --> 02:40:04,160
Speaker 10: you know, with you like you, this is in my opinion,

3181
02:40:04,280 --> 02:40:07,600
Speaker 10: you know, you really have nothing else to prove, so

3182
02:40:07,720 --> 02:40:10,320
Speaker 10: to speak. So it's like, if you want to make

3183
02:40:10,360 --> 02:40:12,360
Speaker 10: that quote unquote art record with the roots, which I

3184
02:40:12,400 --> 02:40:15,920
Speaker 10: don't think I'm just using that term loosely, but you

3185
02:40:16,120 --> 02:40:18,920
Speaker 10: have nothing else to prove, Like we know you can sing,

3186
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:21,240
Speaker 10: we know you can dance, we know you can make hits.

3187
02:40:21,560 --> 02:40:24,360
Speaker 3: And it ain't about it's like, understand that it's not

3188
02:40:24,480 --> 02:40:29,640
Speaker 3: a It's about including all of the different textures in

3189
02:40:29,720 --> 02:40:32,119
Speaker 3: places that we both have gone to make it. It's

3190
02:40:32,200 --> 02:40:35,400
Speaker 3: not like just one specific thing, you know what I'm saying, Like,

3191
02:40:35,640 --> 02:40:37,640
Speaker 3: use all of it. You see all of the examples

3192
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:39,680
Speaker 3: of things that I've been able to do and you

3193
02:40:39,800 --> 02:40:41,640
Speaker 3: guys have been able to do. Let's bring it all

3194
02:40:41,680 --> 02:40:44,760
Speaker 3: together and bring the textures because there's a story that's

3195
02:40:44,840 --> 02:40:47,200
Speaker 3: way deeper. I may not even figure out what the

3196
02:40:47,640 --> 02:40:50,560
Speaker 3: actual words to articulate it right now are, but I

3197
02:40:50,680 --> 02:40:53,240
Speaker 3: hear you out and clear when you hear the textures

3198
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:55,760
Speaker 3: of what you know is relevant in the sound and

3199
02:40:55,840 --> 02:40:57,480
Speaker 3: the energy of what it is, and then you can

3200
02:40:57,560 --> 02:40:59,280
Speaker 3: go and put the soul behind it and then go

3201
02:40:59,560 --> 02:41:01,920
Speaker 3: also to put the right production behind it and the

3202
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:04,280
Speaker 3: right ideas and the right ears on it. We know

3203
02:41:04,440 --> 02:41:06,520
Speaker 3: that we understand that, and we understand it in a

3204
02:41:06,560 --> 02:41:08,080
Speaker 3: way that they need to be taught.

3205
02:41:08,800 --> 02:41:11,080
Speaker 1: You know what it is though, and maybe this is

3206
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:13,800
Speaker 1: coming forward. I see Bill looking at me because he

3207
02:41:13,879 --> 02:41:18,920
Speaker 1: knows I'm about to reintroduce the self sabotaged uh analogy,

3208
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:23,520
Speaker 1: self sabotaged analogy coming up? No, okay, you know, like

3209
02:41:24,720 --> 02:41:26,440
Speaker 1: when and I had to place this old woman. You know,

3210
02:41:26,560 --> 02:41:31,800
Speaker 1: like when women choose a toxic relationship, Like it's easy

3211
02:41:31,959 --> 02:41:36,320
Speaker 1: to choose a toxic relationship because you know subconsciously it's

3212
02:41:36,360 --> 02:41:38,000
Speaker 1: going to fail and not going to go anywhere, so

3213
02:41:38,080 --> 02:41:41,360
Speaker 1: you don't have that expectation. That's accountability on your right.

3214
02:41:41,560 --> 02:41:44,040
Speaker 1: But if you choose a real relationship, it's going to

3215
02:41:44,160 --> 02:41:45,120
Speaker 1: hurt some work.

3216
02:41:45,640 --> 02:41:47,400
Speaker 3: And thank you for doing the work already, because you

3217
02:41:47,440 --> 02:41:49,000
Speaker 3: were already doing it. We wouldn't even be in this

3218
02:41:49,080 --> 02:41:50,480
Speaker 3: fucking room right now if you weren't doing.

3219
02:41:50,400 --> 02:41:52,240
Speaker 6: The work fucking right Thank you for doing the work

3220
02:41:52,280 --> 02:41:53,480
Speaker 6: so we could be in this fucking room.

3221
02:41:55,040 --> 02:42:02,080
Speaker 3: I just thought, tell where you're at, you're doing it,

3222
02:42:02,400 --> 02:42:04,440
Speaker 3: you're doing it, and the and the reality is it's

3223
02:42:04,480 --> 02:42:05,920
Speaker 3: gonna it has to organically.

3224
02:42:06,200 --> 02:42:11,480
Speaker 1: This really became a freaking mirred intervention. That's what every show.

3225
02:42:12,040 --> 02:42:14,760
Speaker 5: But you always preface that you're afraid of something. That's

3226
02:42:14,879 --> 02:42:18,480
Speaker 5: we've had this discussion number of times books. Man, I'm sorry,

3227
02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:20,840
Speaker 5: I know, but I don't know. I don't feel like

3228
02:42:20,920 --> 02:42:22,800
Speaker 5: knowing you as a person, would think that you're afraid

3229
02:42:22,840 --> 02:42:25,200
Speaker 5: of anything. Yeah, it just seems like more of like

3230
02:42:25,240 --> 02:42:26,039
Speaker 5: an opportunity that you.

3231
02:42:26,080 --> 02:42:28,040
Speaker 7: Just need to think of a more competent person to

3232
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:28,880
Speaker 7: carry that out.

3233
02:42:29,040 --> 02:42:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm afraid a lot, I but I'm also wise enough,

3234
02:42:32,840 --> 02:42:36,120
Speaker 1: as I've staying in other episodes, I'm wise enough to

3235
02:42:36,160 --> 02:42:41,320
Speaker 1: listen to my ledge talkers, you know, and despite whatever

3236
02:42:41,400 --> 02:42:46,440
Speaker 1: the fault leader jokes that you guys have, I mean,

3237
02:42:46,640 --> 02:42:48,840
Speaker 1: so wait a minute, the reason why Bill is here

3238
02:42:49,200 --> 02:42:52,000
Speaker 1: leading as a producer, even though you know he's a

3239
02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:56,240
Speaker 1: musical genius and all that stuff and his organization, I'm

3240
02:42:56,360 --> 02:43:01,440
Speaker 1: just saying that I trust you enough and your musical

3241
02:43:01,520 --> 02:43:05,560
Speaker 1: wisdom to also not kiss my I mean, because it's

3242
02:43:05,640 --> 02:43:08,800
Speaker 1: easy to have some employees that I have employees that

3243
02:43:08,879 --> 02:43:11,520
Speaker 1: will just that are afraid of me and like I

3244
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:13,840
Speaker 1: want to make me upset. But I'm just saying that.

3245
02:43:15,879 --> 02:43:16,760
Speaker 7: So then we need to write.

3246
02:43:16,879 --> 02:43:18,680
Speaker 3: So we need to write ears and the right coaches

3247
02:43:18,760 --> 02:43:20,879
Speaker 3: around us to manage our expectations.

3248
02:43:20,920 --> 02:43:22,800
Speaker 1: That's how you said you just need you need in it.

3249
02:43:22,920 --> 02:43:25,680
Speaker 10: You need what I call in life, you need as

3250
02:43:26,520 --> 02:43:32,520
Speaker 10: oh what what's that? A non nigga advice? You need

3251
02:43:32,640 --> 02:43:36,280
Speaker 10: some when you there you just write, you just need

3252
02:43:36,400 --> 02:43:40,640
Speaker 10: when you're like, yo, son, what you think, nigga? You

3253
02:43:40,800 --> 02:43:43,600
Speaker 10: need your nigga advises to keep it with you?

3254
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:50,480
Speaker 1: Did you come up with that on your own? Sous?

3255
02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:50,920
Speaker 4: We have?

3256
02:43:53,520 --> 02:43:56,520
Speaker 1: All right? Quick? What good kissing man? I wouldn't I

3257
02:43:56,520 --> 02:44:01,480
Speaker 1: sh on the album? What is up? All right? All right? Record?

3258
02:44:01,520 --> 02:44:03,480
Speaker 1: What is that? With a string of singles that you

3259
02:44:03,560 --> 02:44:08,160
Speaker 1: put It's almost like Gangster with BBD, like these really

3260
02:44:08,200 --> 02:44:10,760
Speaker 1: good singles that didn't quite make the record, like.

3261
02:44:12,240 --> 02:44:15,160
Speaker 7: Okay, well, what happened was good?

3262
02:44:15,240 --> 02:44:17,160
Speaker 1: Canser was a great I love that.

3263
02:44:17,959 --> 02:44:18,920
Speaker 7: What had happened was this.

3264
02:44:20,520 --> 02:44:25,840
Speaker 3: I started working on the album and my son almost

3265
02:44:25,959 --> 02:44:28,119
Speaker 3: drowned the day that I started working on it. Right,

3266
02:44:28,360 --> 02:44:31,840
Speaker 3: So the album that I was working on then stopped,

3267
02:44:33,320 --> 02:44:36,360
Speaker 3: and then I started back up, and then I had

3268
02:44:36,360 --> 02:44:38,520
Speaker 3: to shoot a movie. And then in the middle of

3269
02:44:38,600 --> 02:44:42,440
Speaker 3: shoot Roberto durm movie, right, and then I decided to

3270
02:44:42,800 --> 02:44:44,840
Speaker 3: take a quick moment and I went to the voice

3271
02:44:44,879 --> 02:44:47,640
Speaker 3: and I did I did that. So all of these

3272
02:44:47,800 --> 02:44:51,600
Speaker 3: moments that stopped in between created like a different spot.

3273
02:44:51,640 --> 02:44:54,320
Speaker 3: I couldn't just pick back up where I was from

3274
02:44:54,360 --> 02:44:56,879
Speaker 3: the from the aspect of building the music.

3275
02:44:57,360 --> 02:44:59,840
Speaker 7: Rather I write it, or rather I collaborate and write it.

3276
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:02,360
Speaker 3: Because the second single was she Came to Give It

3277
02:45:02,440 --> 02:45:05,520
Speaker 3: to You with with for Real, and I performed that

3278
02:45:05,680 --> 02:45:11,800
Speaker 3: record on MTV. You know, part of it was I'm

3279
02:45:11,800 --> 02:45:14,800
Speaker 3: not I'm not sure. I'm not sure it was. It

3280
02:45:14,959 --> 02:45:16,879
Speaker 3: was the record that everybody wanted.

3281
02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:18,800
Speaker 1: Right that one was to me, that one felt like

3282
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:20,320
Speaker 1: a post blurred lines.

3283
02:45:20,360 --> 02:45:23,880
Speaker 10: It was kind of like that was It felt like

3284
02:45:23,959 --> 02:45:26,520
Speaker 10: for real, kind of hell I left in the tank.

3285
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:32,080
Speaker 1: That's weird because as a DJ, I cherish any song

3286
02:45:32,200 --> 02:45:35,320
Speaker 1: in the key of E minor that's one hundred and

3287
02:45:35,400 --> 02:45:38,160
Speaker 1: nineteen bpms. That's very.

3288
02:45:40,080 --> 02:45:40,120
Speaker 4: No.

3289
02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:43,680
Speaker 1: But that's how things okay. It's like, she came to

3290
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:46,960
Speaker 1: give it to you is my okay, I need a

3291
02:45:47,040 --> 02:45:49,040
Speaker 1: one to twenty year that's an E minor that will

3292
02:45:49,120 --> 02:45:52,880
Speaker 1: lead me to a different Well, long story short, I

3293
02:45:52,959 --> 02:45:53,680
Speaker 1: still spent it to that.

3294
02:45:53,760 --> 02:45:56,240
Speaker 3: That was such a that was such a disconnecting between

3295
02:45:56,440 --> 02:45:58,440
Speaker 3: the work that I was working on there and then

3296
02:45:58,480 --> 02:46:02,120
Speaker 3: where the album went. That in telling that story, it

3297
02:46:02,280 --> 02:46:04,080
Speaker 3: just felt like it stuck out like a sore thumb.

3298
02:46:04,200 --> 02:46:07,080
Speaker 3: It had already served its purpose. It was a hit record.

3299
02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:09,200
Speaker 3: People liked it, it did get I mean, I don't

3300
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:10,400
Speaker 3: know if it was as big of a hit as

3301
02:46:10,400 --> 02:46:12,080
Speaker 3: I wanted it to be, but it was a number

3302
02:46:12,120 --> 02:46:12,680
Speaker 3: one record.

3303
02:46:13,240 --> 02:46:15,920
Speaker 1: And what is a hit for you? Now in light

3304
02:46:16,040 --> 02:46:19,400
Speaker 1: of in the age of like, does confessions even exist

3305
02:46:19,480 --> 02:46:20,120
Speaker 1: to you anymore?

3306
02:46:20,320 --> 02:46:21,960
Speaker 7: Is it just like what do you mean which aspect

3307
02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:22,440
Speaker 7: of confession?

3308
02:46:22,480 --> 02:46:25,280
Speaker 1: Well, I just feel now that you're about making artistic

3309
02:46:25,360 --> 02:46:30,440
Speaker 1: statements more than dealing with man, I got it.

3310
02:46:30,640 --> 02:46:34,680
Speaker 3: The only way to make a cohesive Okay, no, no,

3311
02:46:34,879 --> 02:46:37,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna answer your question. It does not matter to

3312
02:46:37,600 --> 02:46:40,680
Speaker 3: me to make a record that is like confessions, like

3313
02:46:40,840 --> 02:46:43,400
Speaker 3: I need to have confessions because confessions is never going

3314
02:46:43,480 --> 02:46:44,039
Speaker 3: to happen again.

3315
02:46:44,920 --> 02:46:45,720
Speaker 7: It is what it is.

3316
02:46:45,840 --> 02:46:48,120
Speaker 3: It was for that moment. Jermaine Dupree and all of

3317
02:46:48,160 --> 02:46:51,240
Speaker 3: the producers who were part of it were right where

3318
02:46:51,240 --> 02:46:53,320
Speaker 3: they needed to be and right at that moment. And

3319
02:46:53,440 --> 02:46:56,200
Speaker 3: I can't go back and get that. But what I

3320
02:46:56,280 --> 02:46:59,200
Speaker 3: can do is move to the next chapter and do

3321
02:46:59,400 --> 02:47:02,160
Speaker 3: something that feels like a cohesive body of work, that

3322
02:47:02,400 --> 02:47:08,360
Speaker 3: is valuable, that feels musical, that feels like it's leading

3323
02:47:08,440 --> 02:47:09,600
Speaker 3: that feels like it's.

3324
02:47:11,240 --> 02:47:12,440
Speaker 7: It's pushing the lines.

3325
02:47:12,600 --> 02:47:12,920
Speaker 8: It is.

3326
02:47:13,280 --> 02:47:15,240
Speaker 3: And by the way, the idea of what music is

3327
02:47:15,320 --> 02:47:18,560
Speaker 3: for me now has expanded. Like, Okay, some people may like,

3328
02:47:19,240 --> 02:47:21,320
Speaker 3: you know, the older records that I did, but then

3329
02:47:21,320 --> 02:47:22,760
Speaker 3: there's some people that like some of the new shit

3330
02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:24,480
Speaker 3: that I do too. They like DJ got Us, fall

3331
02:47:24,560 --> 02:47:26,359
Speaker 3: in Love, they like OMG, and they like the original

3332
02:47:26,440 --> 02:47:28,280
Speaker 3: version of it too, of Quesse, you know what I'm saying.

3333
02:47:28,320 --> 02:47:32,080
Speaker 1: So it's like shots fire, shots fire.

3334
02:47:32,560 --> 02:47:35,840
Speaker 3: So but my point is it's like, so now I'm

3335
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:39,480
Speaker 3: forced with the reality that I have a stadium of

3336
02:47:39,520 --> 02:47:42,440
Speaker 3: people waiting to come, and I don't have music to

3337
02:47:42,520 --> 02:47:43,279
Speaker 3: serve everybody.

3338
02:47:43,560 --> 02:47:43,880
Speaker 7: Right now.

3339
02:47:44,120 --> 02:47:46,400
Speaker 3: I only have one record that works here, one record

3340
02:47:46,400 --> 02:47:48,080
Speaker 3: that works there. And while we're in a time where

3341
02:47:48,480 --> 02:47:50,800
Speaker 3: I can't put out a song here, a song there,

3342
02:47:50,840 --> 02:47:53,240
Speaker 3: and it's fragmented. That's the reality of where we are,

3343
02:47:53,959 --> 02:47:56,360
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like, Unfortunately, even if people

3344
02:47:56,440 --> 02:47:59,200
Speaker 3: have an entire holbum, the people listen to a single

3345
02:47:59,240 --> 02:48:01,000
Speaker 3: they like this song, that song, and you don't even

3346
02:48:01,040 --> 02:48:03,480
Speaker 3: know what album it comes from. So what's necessary, what's

3347
02:48:03,560 --> 02:48:05,480
Speaker 3: necessary to create a cohesive body of.

3348
02:48:05,560 --> 02:48:08,080
Speaker 7: Work that from the beginning of the beginning to end.

3349
02:48:08,480 --> 02:48:09,280
Speaker 7: You feel the connection.

3350
02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:11,640
Speaker 3: It might feel like it's a little bit rocky and

3351
02:48:11,680 --> 02:48:13,400
Speaker 3: all over the place, and text is taken from all

3352
02:48:13,400 --> 02:48:16,520
Speaker 3: over the place, but it's a cohesive body of work,

3353
02:48:16,920 --> 02:48:19,880
Speaker 3: meaning we need to go get in the studio, lock

3354
02:48:19,959 --> 02:48:22,280
Speaker 3: the door, bring in our interne what do you say,

3355
02:48:24,080 --> 02:48:29,120
Speaker 3: bringing your inna board. And it's just because there's a

3356
02:48:29,160 --> 02:48:30,959
Speaker 3: couple of them, you know what I'm saying. Because there's

3357
02:48:31,000 --> 02:48:33,680
Speaker 3: a lot of perspectives to be considered, and it is

3358
02:48:33,800 --> 02:48:36,720
Speaker 3: a progressive sound. It ain't gonna sound and feel like

3359
02:48:37,800 --> 02:48:42,199
Speaker 3: anything but it, but it requires everything to make it happen.

3360
02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:53,920
Speaker 1: Well, mister Raymond the fourth, I know this was painful. No,

3361
02:48:54,040 --> 02:48:54,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't.

3362
02:48:54,360 --> 02:48:55,480
Speaker 7: Actually I really enjoyed it.

3363
02:48:55,959 --> 02:49:02,720
Speaker 1: You must have because from yeah, I'm sorry, I lie

3364
02:49:02,760 --> 02:49:05,840
Speaker 1: to you time of the time of the hour. I

3365
02:49:05,920 --> 02:49:08,000
Speaker 1: told you how it's gonna be like forty five minutes

3366
02:49:08,040 --> 02:49:08,760
Speaker 1: to an hour. Nothing.

3367
02:49:08,959 --> 02:49:10,480
Speaker 6: He'sbing his head. He's not looking at you right now,

3368
02:49:10,760 --> 02:49:11,840
Speaker 6: attention his head.

3369
02:49:13,879 --> 02:49:18,320
Speaker 1: No, but thank you very much. I share I hope

3370
02:49:18,360 --> 02:49:22,680
Speaker 1: for a great fruitful relationship, uh in which we listen

3371
02:49:22,760 --> 02:49:23,959
Speaker 1: to it is like speed dating.

3372
02:49:24,320 --> 02:49:25,160
Speaker 6: Wait to see what y'all do.

3373
02:49:27,040 --> 02:49:29,879
Speaker 1: No, I mean, come on, man, it's not pressure. It's

3374
02:49:29,959 --> 02:49:31,480
Speaker 1: like it's just well I can imagine.

3375
02:49:31,480 --> 02:49:34,200
Speaker 10: I won't say it's not pressure, but we have confidence

3376
02:49:34,280 --> 02:49:36,279
Speaker 10: that this ship would be dope based on your record

3377
02:49:36,360 --> 02:49:36,960
Speaker 10: and your record.

3378
02:49:37,160 --> 02:49:39,000
Speaker 1: It's not like y'all going to make a just good friends,

3379
02:49:39,040 --> 02:49:44,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It's that should be the

3380
02:49:44,840 --> 02:49:51,120
Speaker 1: closing song, right right? Or get it? I like getting no, No,

3381
02:49:51,640 --> 02:49:54,800
Speaker 1: you don't like get it? Hell no, there we go.

3382
02:49:55,240 --> 02:50:02,080
Speaker 10: Like Michael Jackson, Steve never made record toge besides help it,

3383
02:50:02,120 --> 02:50:03,920
Speaker 10: they knocked it out the part, but get it and

3384
02:50:04,040 --> 02:50:04,640
Speaker 10: just good friends.

3385
02:50:05,680 --> 02:50:08,400
Speaker 7: It takes a little bit more discipline on your part,

3386
02:50:08,600 --> 02:50:09,240
Speaker 7: right to just.

3387
02:50:09,280 --> 02:50:12,600
Speaker 3: Get prepared and then and then you know, let it

3388
02:50:12,760 --> 02:50:16,000
Speaker 3: happen because I can carry it out, you know what

3389
02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:16,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

3390
02:50:16,400 --> 02:50:17,280
Speaker 7: I can carry it away.

3391
02:50:17,360 --> 02:50:19,600
Speaker 3: And some of the ideas and the things that I

3392
02:50:19,680 --> 02:50:23,040
Speaker 3: think we should add in are gonna be foreign to people.

3393
02:50:23,160 --> 02:50:25,360
Speaker 3: It's gonna feel odd when they first hear. It's gonna

3394
02:50:25,400 --> 02:50:29,000
Speaker 3: feel they're gonna feel some connection to it, but they're

3395
02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:30,960
Speaker 3: not gonna know what it is. They're not gonna know

3396
02:50:31,080 --> 02:50:32,840
Speaker 3: why they are moving the way that they're moving. They're

3397
02:50:32,840 --> 02:50:36,440
Speaker 3: not going to understand that it's something different. It's something

3398
02:50:36,480 --> 02:50:39,320
Speaker 3: that's intended to nurture their soul. They don't get it.

3399
02:50:39,760 --> 02:50:42,080
Speaker 6: Nurture soul. I love those two words together.

3400
02:50:43,280 --> 02:50:46,119
Speaker 1: Uh this this is the wrap of the show.

3401
02:50:46,320 --> 02:50:50,600
Speaker 7: But I'm telling you because I'm speaking into existence until

3402
02:50:50,640 --> 02:50:51,160
Speaker 7: it happens.

3403
02:50:52,000 --> 02:51:07,000
Speaker 1: It's what did you learn? Brother?

3404
02:51:07,080 --> 02:51:07,160
Speaker 8: Yo?

3405
02:51:07,280 --> 02:51:07,440
Speaker 4: Man?

3406
02:51:08,120 --> 02:51:09,640
Speaker 1: I learned as a real dude. Man.

3407
02:51:10,040 --> 02:51:15,080
Speaker 10: One last question your studio session residents, No no, no question,

3408
02:51:15,280 --> 02:51:18,280
Speaker 10: your real question, your food exit shot my man exit

3409
02:51:18,360 --> 02:51:19,360
Speaker 10: mark exit good child.

3410
02:51:19,560 --> 02:51:21,560
Speaker 1: Uh a record engineer.

3411
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:26,520
Speaker 10: He was telling me about your studio session rider and

3412
02:51:26,600 --> 02:51:29,560
Speaker 10: what you eat in the studio, Like like apparently your

3413
02:51:29,560 --> 02:51:30,840
Speaker 10: ship is like crazy discipline.

3414
02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:34,640
Speaker 1: Like what do you eat? We just stopped by dunking

3415
02:51:34,720 --> 02:51:39,600
Speaker 1: dinners before the interview ahead now, but.

3416
02:51:41,200 --> 02:51:44,360
Speaker 7: I eat fruit. I like vegetables. You know what I'm saying.

3417
02:51:44,400 --> 02:51:54,080
Speaker 3: It's like bell peppers, broccoli, spinach, beats. Uh Like yeah,

3418
02:51:54,120 --> 02:51:57,760
Speaker 3: it's boring and ship, but but what's crazy is that

3419
02:51:58,040 --> 02:52:01,120
Speaker 3: that keeps you. It's a lot, man, and you get

3420
02:52:01,160 --> 02:52:01,960
Speaker 3: beneath the apple bam.

3421
02:52:02,240 --> 02:52:05,199
Speaker 7: Hey, but I've learned that's the best dessert.

3422
02:52:07,280 --> 02:52:07,720
Speaker 1: Anywhere.

3423
02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:10,000
Speaker 10: I've learned that usher is like, you know a real

3424
02:52:10,120 --> 02:52:12,040
Speaker 10: dude and listens to his story, there's a lot of

3425
02:52:12,080 --> 02:52:14,800
Speaker 10: similarities and my story as a young kid growing up

3426
02:52:14,800 --> 02:52:16,800
Speaker 10: in the South, and I'm just happy to just be

3427
02:52:16,840 --> 02:52:17,880
Speaker 10: able to see a job of that with you.

3428
02:52:17,959 --> 02:52:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm a fan and you know, always support what you

3429
02:52:20,640 --> 02:52:22,760
Speaker 1: do with it. He appreciate your brother for real.

3430
02:52:22,840 --> 02:52:23,360
Speaker 7: Thank you man.

3431
02:52:25,160 --> 02:52:26,360
Speaker 1: What did you learn?

3432
02:52:27,240 --> 02:52:29,640
Speaker 9: It's been an amazing ride growing up with you number one,

3433
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:32,400
Speaker 9: because that's how it feels that way, uh, and to

3434
02:52:32,440 --> 02:52:35,520
Speaker 9: see your evolution. But I also learned that, like Usher,

3435
02:52:35,680 --> 02:52:38,240
Speaker 9: is not only hella woke, but hella up to doing

3436
02:52:38,320 --> 02:52:41,160
Speaker 9: something about it. And I know that you're very community active,

3437
02:52:41,440 --> 02:52:43,280
Speaker 9: but you just took it to another level tonight.

3438
02:52:43,440 --> 02:52:45,320
Speaker 6: And so I'm just letting you know with some soldiers

3439
02:52:45,360 --> 02:52:46,200
Speaker 6: out here, be ready.

3440
02:52:46,440 --> 02:52:49,040
Speaker 1: That's all. That's what I learned to I'm going to

3441
02:52:49,120 --> 02:52:50,959
Speaker 1: move my money to a black bank as well.

3442
02:52:51,360 --> 02:52:54,119
Speaker 6: Well fine is in industrial. Would you need some suggestions?

3443
02:52:54,200 --> 02:52:54,400
Speaker 4: Hey?

3444
02:52:54,800 --> 02:53:01,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wait, why are you looking at me like.

3445
02:53:01,240 --> 02:53:02,920
Speaker 6: You said you needed back bank. I was just saying,

3446
02:53:02,920 --> 02:53:04,400
Speaker 6: I got some suggestions.

3447
02:53:04,120 --> 02:53:06,560
Speaker 1: Okay, and I'm going to take your suggestions when we

3448
02:53:07,440 --> 02:53:10,480
Speaker 1: off the air. So these niggas don't know what my money.

3449
02:53:12,320 --> 02:53:18,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Bill? Oh what did I learn? Yeah,

3450
02:53:18,640 --> 02:53:19,600
Speaker 1: so what did you learn today?

3451
02:53:19,840 --> 02:53:21,560
Speaker 13: I hate I don't want to say that I learned something,

3452
02:53:21,640 --> 02:53:25,160
Speaker 13: But it's just always refreshing when you meet somebody like Usher,

3453
02:53:25,640 --> 02:53:27,960
Speaker 13: someone in his status, and you realize that they're not

3454
02:53:28,120 --> 02:53:30,200
Speaker 13: crazy and they're not they're actually down to earth, and

3455
02:53:31,680 --> 02:53:32,600
Speaker 13: you know, like.

3456
02:53:33,320 --> 02:53:35,560
Speaker 10: Every reason not to be Yeah, it has everything, like

3457
02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:39,320
Speaker 10: a million records, like, yeah, i'd be completely You wouldn't

3458
02:53:39,320 --> 02:53:40,840
Speaker 10: want to be around me. If I sold thirteen million

3459
02:53:41,120 --> 02:53:42,720
Speaker 10: or thirteen million rerecord, I couldn't.

3460
02:53:42,400 --> 02:53:45,240
Speaker 1: Tell you nothing. Six now, you couldn't you. You couldn't

3461
02:53:45,240 --> 02:53:47,520
Speaker 1: tell me if I sold six hundred rerecor now sixty

3462
02:53:47,600 --> 02:53:52,119
Speaker 1: eight sixty eight eight million, million, sixty eight million worldwide.

3463
02:53:52,200 --> 02:53:54,600
Speaker 9: He is one of the top Billboard artists up the

3464
02:53:54,800 --> 02:53:57,680
Speaker 9: center something like that. I know it's twenty five something.

3465
02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:01,480
Speaker 1: The numbers don't lie. Yeah, so that's how do you

3466
02:54:01,480 --> 02:54:04,760
Speaker 1: stay humble? Man? This is I couldn't do it. I

3467
02:54:04,800 --> 02:54:05,280
Speaker 1: couldn't do it.

3468
02:54:06,120 --> 02:54:06,640
Speaker 7: Ain't doing it?

3469
02:54:08,879 --> 02:54:11,520
Speaker 1: Fired all right, unpaid bill?

3470
02:54:12,800 --> 02:54:12,920
Speaker 9: Uh.

3471
02:54:13,160 --> 02:54:14,920
Speaker 5: I think Usher and I are about the same age,

3472
02:54:15,160 --> 02:54:17,119
Speaker 5: and I was just sort of wondering the whole time

3473
02:54:17,200 --> 02:54:20,000
Speaker 5: what the hell I was doing. I was fifteen, right,

3474
02:54:20,240 --> 02:54:23,200
Speaker 5: and uh and Uh, it wasn't that. It wasn't what

3475
02:54:23,360 --> 02:54:25,440
Speaker 5: Usher was doing. And Usher, I don't know if you

3476
02:54:25,480 --> 02:54:27,600
Speaker 5: know this. We've worked tangentially on a number of different

3477
02:54:27,640 --> 02:54:30,240
Speaker 5: things Sesme Street and the otherwise, and we've never actually

3478
02:54:30,240 --> 02:54:33,520
Speaker 5: met Street. He was He's sang the ABC's like motherfucker.

3479
02:54:33,560 --> 02:54:36,000
Speaker 5: It's one of the coolest things in many years i've

3480
02:54:36,040 --> 02:54:36,320
Speaker 5: worked there.

3481
02:54:36,360 --> 02:54:38,520
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, but on paid Bill has a lot

3482
02:54:38,560 --> 02:54:41,039
Speaker 1: of jobs to one of them is being a key

3483
02:54:41,160 --> 02:54:42,440
Speaker 1: Sesame Street songwriters.

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02:54:43,320 --> 02:54:52,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that sounds terrible, I would get but it makes

3485
02:54:52,480 --> 02:54:54,200
Speaker 5: sound like I have an ego. So that's great. Thank

3486
02:54:54,200 --> 02:54:56,720
Speaker 5: you very much for that. But it's it's very humbling

3487
02:54:56,720 --> 02:54:57,320
Speaker 5: to beach as well.

3488
02:54:58,480 --> 02:55:01,960
Speaker 7: All Right, the ABC, the movie you should it should

3489
02:55:01,959 --> 02:55:03,279
Speaker 7: definitely have wanted something.

3490
02:55:03,520 --> 02:55:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sugar Steve, what did you learn? Bro?

3491
02:55:09,680 --> 02:55:10,920
Speaker 1: First of all, I think I know better.

3492
02:55:11,879 --> 02:55:14,600
Speaker 11: I think I worked with him had electrically back in

3493
02:55:14,640 --> 02:55:16,680
Speaker 11: the early two thousands. I can't I'm trying to remember

3494
02:55:16,720 --> 02:55:21,360
Speaker 11: what project it was. But it's a terribly interesting story

3495
02:55:21,440 --> 02:55:26,320
Speaker 11: starting so young. And you know, I've I've come to

3496
02:55:27,200 --> 02:55:30,240
Speaker 11: I've come to respect your music and you from working

3497
02:55:30,800 --> 02:55:32,879
Speaker 11: on all this, on all this stuff with the roots

3498
02:55:33,480 --> 02:55:37,600
Speaker 11: and I think I think a collaboration with the Roots

3499
02:55:38,480 --> 02:55:40,160
Speaker 11: would be a great idea, and I think it falls

3500
02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:42,760
Speaker 11: in line nicely with the rest of their collaboration albums,

3501
02:55:43,200 --> 02:55:46,800
Speaker 11: you know, as far as I think it would work, well,

3502
02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:47,680
Speaker 11: it sounds like.

3503
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:50,320
Speaker 13: A lot of work, but just to add on something

3504
02:55:50,360 --> 02:55:54,119
Speaker 13: after seeing the Roots in Usher perform at Brooklyn Bowl, Like, however,

3505
02:55:54,200 --> 02:55:56,560
Speaker 13: many months ago, i'd buy an album of just you guys,

3506
02:55:56,600 --> 02:55:57,440
Speaker 13: you know, doing the old thing.

3507
02:55:57,520 --> 02:55:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was my question, that can be

3508
02:56:00,200 --> 02:56:01,400
Speaker 1: is it gonna be? I was going to say, I

3509
02:56:01,480 --> 02:56:04,440
Speaker 1: felt like we always cut me off when I'm trying

3510
02:56:04,480 --> 02:56:04,879
Speaker 1: to say.

3511
02:56:11,440 --> 02:56:11,800
Speaker 4: No, I was.

3512
02:56:11,840 --> 02:56:16,760
Speaker 11: I was wondering, if you imagine you're clearly imagining original

3513
02:56:16,840 --> 02:56:18,760
Speaker 11: material for the for an album.

3514
02:56:19,120 --> 02:56:24,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gotta be original, you know.

3515
02:56:24,680 --> 02:56:28,360
Speaker 3: And maybe there are moments where maybe there's a song

3516
02:56:28,440 --> 02:56:31,400
Speaker 3: that that's so significant that we have to remake it

3517
02:56:32,560 --> 02:56:34,960
Speaker 3: and do it in a way that makes it feel

3518
02:56:35,040 --> 02:56:37,160
Speaker 3: like it was done for the first time by us.

3519
02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:41,440
Speaker 11: But it would be nice to have to have didn't

3520
02:56:41,440 --> 02:56:46,320
Speaker 11: you record that Brooklyn Bowl show? Like yeah, yeah, be

3521
02:56:46,440 --> 02:56:49,320
Speaker 11: nice to you want to put that out available, But

3522
02:56:50,320 --> 02:56:53,680
Speaker 11: we could in case we get we can.

3523
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:57,200
Speaker 6: Set the stage similar to the Picnic, which did brook Ball.

3524
02:56:57,320 --> 02:56:58,039
Speaker 7: It was tighter though.

3525
02:56:58,920 --> 02:57:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well well okay we might leave with a taste

3526
02:57:02,040 --> 02:57:06,080
Speaker 1: of what we're doing. Let's do that. Yes, but yes,

3527
02:57:06,240 --> 02:57:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's the stuff is properly recorded on

3528
02:57:09,800 --> 02:57:15,200
Speaker 1: two inch tape. And you know, I have to say

3529
02:57:15,280 --> 02:57:18,840
Speaker 1: that what you what you won't know about Boss Bill

3530
02:57:18,920 --> 02:57:20,600
Speaker 1: or Frante is that, you know, we all come from

3531
02:57:20,640 --> 02:57:25,959
Speaker 1: the Okay player community and uh, you know, I kind

3532
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:29,160
Speaker 1: of felt that Bill was losing losing faith in us

3533
02:57:29,240 --> 02:57:33,640
Speaker 1: for a good decade or so. But in the roots,

3534
02:57:34,480 --> 02:57:39,000
Speaker 1: well yeah, I mean, it's not like we could surprise

3535
02:57:39,080 --> 02:57:41,840
Speaker 1: you anymore. Like you know, I was, I was, I was,

3536
02:57:42,440 --> 02:57:47,520
Speaker 1: I was with y'all up until undone. Okay, well that's

3537
02:57:47,720 --> 02:57:52,640
Speaker 1: that's way, that's that's way more than I expect. No,

3538
02:57:52,760 --> 02:57:56,920
Speaker 1: that's only one record. His cousin was undone and cousin

3539
02:57:56,959 --> 02:58:00,440
Speaker 1: record it's only Yeah. Well okay, I'm just saying that

3540
02:58:01,160 --> 02:58:05,400
Speaker 1: I was shocked that you really liked the Brooklyn Bowl shows.

3541
02:58:06,240 --> 02:58:09,520
Speaker 1: So that was my Richard Nichols moment, like, oh it

3542
02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:12,880
Speaker 1: didn't suck like the Dame Dash. Oh it's not whack.

3543
02:58:13,440 --> 02:58:14,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I still got a future here.

3544
02:58:15,800 --> 02:58:18,760
Speaker 1: Maybe I should investigate this. I should think I learned

3545
02:58:18,800 --> 02:58:23,840
Speaker 1: a lot. I learned that you're probably the most thoughtful

3546
02:58:25,480 --> 02:58:30,280
Speaker 1: singer I've ever meant, because I'm not saying most singers

3547
02:58:30,320 --> 02:58:36,880
Speaker 1: are clueless. They're clueless. Yeah. I meet a lot of

3548
02:58:37,000 --> 02:58:41,640
Speaker 1: clueless singers that rely on their management and and uh

3549
02:58:42,400 --> 02:58:46,720
Speaker 1: there there weed carriers to kind of advise them on

3550
02:58:46,879 --> 02:58:50,760
Speaker 1: what to do. And you you clearly have a mission.

3551
02:58:51,120 --> 02:58:55,440
Speaker 1: I do believe that you are going to be the

3552
02:58:55,520 --> 02:59:01,760
Speaker 1: mayor of Atlanta, Georgia musically speaking. Uh not now, maybe

3553
02:59:01,800 --> 02:59:04,720
Speaker 1: when you're sixty or seventy, I don't know, but uh,

3554
02:59:05,080 --> 02:59:09,200
Speaker 1: I feel that you will take that leadership role. That's yeah, yeah,

3555
02:59:09,640 --> 02:59:13,120
Speaker 1: I hope politically a little bit. Oh yeah, I could

3556
02:59:13,160 --> 02:59:17,680
Speaker 1: totally see Usher being a politician. I mean Russia. Oh no,

3557
02:59:20,120 --> 02:59:23,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna come back on you anyway. Going that note

3558
02:59:24,160 --> 02:59:28,199
Speaker 1: on behalf of Sirtain Steve and Unpaid Bill and bost

3559
02:59:28,280 --> 02:59:34,160
Speaker 1: Bill and Liah and fn Tigelow and Usher even the

3560
02:59:34,240 --> 02:59:40,920
Speaker 1: fourth uh. This quest Loves signing off of West Love

3561
02:59:41,000 --> 02:59:44,880
Speaker 1: Supreme is a production iHeart Radio. This classic episode was

3562
02:59:44,920 --> 02:59:51,320
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02:59:51,360 --> 02:59:55,240
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3564
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