Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
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Speaker 1: via Zoe look at us. This aired April two thousand four. Synopsis.
Speaker 1: It's like the boy Toy Auction. People talk about this
Speaker 1: every convention we go to. It is a fan favorite.
Speaker 1: Lucas Nathan and Sweet Sweet Jake are auctioned off to
Speaker 1: the highest bidders and the annual Boy Toy Charity Auction,
Speaker 1: and the night leads to surprising developments with old Flames. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: having missed out on the auction, book ends up with
Speaker 1: me and gives him the night of his life. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I just have to say it's really sweet, sweet, poetic
Speaker 1: justice that the person who sells for the most money
Speaker 1: at the boy Toy auction is Marvin McFadden. God blessed
Speaker 1: two deserves. Did you guys ever have anything like this
Speaker 1: in your real high school to all girls squad and
Speaker 1: nothing like this? Yeah, no, we didn't do anything like this.
Speaker 1: I mean I think, like, obviously if this was girls,
Speaker 1: we all would be throwing if Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 1: the whole auctioning off thing is gross. Yeah, we all
Speaker 1: felt weird about it. It was also really weird to
Speaker 1: me that moms were buying. I was like, I don't read,
Speaker 1: and I loved I actually really loved the misdirect of
Speaker 1: Barbara being like, yeah, I've got chores, Like that makes
Speaker 1: more sense to me if the moms are going to participate.
Speaker 1: But I thought the writers like they just leaned into
Speaker 1: the sex jokes so far. Barbara, she committed, she did it,
Speaker 1: and she did it with this innocence. But I was like,
Speaker 1: they could have really, they could have dialed this back.
Speaker 1: Come on, they set those two giant round candles right
Speaker 1: in front of her boobs when she was cleaning the tub,
Speaker 1: so gros it is. It's very immature, rough rough time
Speaker 1: for all of us man. You know what I loved
Speaker 1: about this One of the things I loved about this
Speaker 1: episode was that we finally got to see Barry laughing
Speaker 1: and smiling, which we saw in the last episode two.
Speaker 1: But finally he's like getting to play something other than
Speaker 1: the grouchy old wise owl. Like when Brian comes out
Speaker 1: as Jake Chigalski in the Ravens mascot outfit, that is
Speaker 1: Barry laughing. That is a genuine he lost it. He's cackling,
Speaker 1: and it's so nice to see that on camera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree whole arc of like these kids
Speaker 1: trying to act like grown ups. No one's got parental
Speaker 1: supervision brooks out at clubs. But meanwhile the adults are
Speaker 1: acting like kids in this episode, like going on these
Speaker 1: like little flirty dates and digging up the football field.
Speaker 1: You know. I like that juxtaposition of of people trying
Speaker 1: to find their way, you know, and that even adults
Speaker 1: still sometimes feel like that, we still play. We're still
Speaker 1: we still feel like high schoolers deep down. Well, how
Speaker 1: old is Karen is supposed to be in this If
Speaker 1: she had Lucas when she was eighteen and Lucas is
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, don't ask me to do math. Yeah. Four.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, your kids. She's a kitten, she's a kid,
Speaker 1: still a kid. Well, speaking of kids, speaking of being
Speaker 1: just a little kitten, we actually have the incredible Why
Speaker 1: are Kelly it today? Get her in this zoom room? Hello, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: look exactly the same beautiful well when we consider how
Speaker 1: many years I've passed out today because thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Right now, right now, I'm in a flower Mountain, Texas.
Speaker 1: I just got back from England. I was in London
Speaker 1: for five months working on a project. So um, I
Speaker 1: just got back eight days ago, so a little um
Speaker 1: good to be home. Yeah, hello, have you been in Texas?
Speaker 1: Because what I loved so much more is that when
Speaker 1: we started the show, you had your children, your husband,
Speaker 1: and you just like moved in like a community member
Speaker 1: into the Greater Wilmington's community and and really made it home. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had the house. We kept the house there for
Speaker 1: a while because we liked going back. But we've been
Speaker 1: here now almost eight years. My husband we moved here
Speaker 1: for his job. So um, yeah, it's all right, it's
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's right now. We're not going to
Speaker 1: go into it. I just keep telling everyone, I grew
Speaker 1: up in New York. So yeah, she gets to travel
Speaker 1: to places like London to go shoot for five months,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that's kind of the great thing
Speaker 1: about our job is no matter where you are, we're
Speaker 1: going to be traveling at some point to go do something.
Speaker 1: So we get that wanderlust fed. Still exactly, so where
Speaker 1: are all of you now? Well, I'm in New York.
Speaker 1: Come back join us joining. Hillary's got a farm in
Speaker 1: the Hudson Valley. I'm not surprised, Hillary, I am not surprised.
Speaker 1: We are a multitasker and a farm. Shets you. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: everybody else has farms too. We all became beekeepers. Joy
Speaker 1: lives on a ranch. Oh my goodness, got chickens and bees.
Speaker 1: Like we all ended up turning into busy ladies. I think,
Speaker 1: I like busy hands keeps us out of trouble. Um. Indeed,
Speaker 1: we marveled as we started watching the show back that
Speaker 1: you were pregnant for the first how many episodes? Six? Seven? Yeah,
Speaker 1: until Karen goes to Italy. I mean that that was
Speaker 1: that was your Matt leave. That was my yes, exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: and that's I think the episode we watched was my
Speaker 1: first one back after my son was born. I think
Speaker 1: that was in March, right, Um there, March, probably March,
Speaker 1: because I think I had three months down. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And now he's a senior in high school, so it's just, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not that far off. I mean, Hillary and I
Speaker 1: aren't that far off. Our oldest kids are eleven and ten,
Speaker 1: and uh, we're you know, it's it's coming up. We
Speaker 1: can see they're not that far away from graduating. I
Speaker 1: think it's so amazing when I think about when we
Speaker 1: were all starting the show, I was kind of where
Speaker 1: you all are now. I had small children, you know,
Speaker 1: and now mine are off to college and about to
Speaker 1: go to college. And you were also only thirteen years
Speaker 1: older than Chad when you were playing a mom who
Speaker 1: had had eight I mean that we were. What we
Speaker 1: were just saying before you came on was how wild
Speaker 1: it was. And what we loved about this episode is
Speaker 1: seeing adults really being the way that that we are.
Speaker 1: Even though we're you know, quote unquote old ladies, we
Speaker 1: actually still feel like we're sixteen seventeen inside sometimes and
Speaker 1: we really got to see that in this episode with Um,
Speaker 1: Karen and Larry especially and I mean, how did that?
Speaker 1: But also I just want to tie it into you
Speaker 1: being so young playing the mom of a teenager. I mean,
Speaker 1: you must we all looked looked up to you. We
Speaker 1: were all, you know, little kids, We were at all
Speaker 1: of you, and we were just so you know, you
Speaker 1: were just so impressive and um, but how did it
Speaker 1: feel for you? I just this is the question I've
Speaker 1: been dying to ask you for years. How did it
Speaker 1: feel to you to be on the show and that
Speaker 1: young and in that environment. I'm just dying to know. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's like any character that you play. You know, um,
Speaker 1: I still wake up feeling like I'm twenty five and
Speaker 1: then you look in the mirror and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, come on you. I think what's interesting is that,
Speaker 1: you know it's for me now being older with older kids,
Speaker 1: as I view my parents differently. I don't think as
Speaker 1: you get older you feel older. Physically might in certain ways,
Speaker 1: but I think your mind and your passions and your
Speaker 1: dreams they still hinge on youth and young and vibrant
Speaker 1: and um. To answer your question, though, any character you play,
Speaker 1: I mean you kind of immerse yourself in that character.
Speaker 1: And even though I was only thirteen years older than Chad.
Speaker 1: You know, the role was of Karen, his mom, and
Speaker 1: she did have him young, and I think that that
Speaker 1: kind of helped to play into the bond that she
Speaker 1: had with him. You know, she was very useful herself,
Speaker 1: and I think you reinforced their special bond. How I
Speaker 1: guess being a part of and Girls helped me out
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not quite as well spoken as
Speaker 1: you guys. But when you when you were on the
Speaker 1: set there, you know still feeling did you still feel
Speaker 1: like you're the same age as as all of us,
Speaker 1: Like I do when I go on set and I'm
Speaker 1: working with kids that are younger than me, I still
Speaker 1: feel like I'm like, we're in the same age, right,
Speaker 1: this is all the same. But we didn't have we
Speaker 1: didn't like spend a lot of time hanging out because
Speaker 1: I don't know, we were just so in all of you,
Speaker 1: and so I was intimidated by you. Moira. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say it. Yeah, you were the boss I was,
Speaker 1: but we just you were. We were so scared to
Speaker 1: talk to you. No no, no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: not because not because you were putting on any kind
Speaker 1: of air. We looked up to you then in the
Speaker 1: same way we were discussing before you came into the
Speaker 1: Zoomer and we were like, oh my god, she's coming.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. We still have this just like all
Speaker 1: a twitter sheer, excitement, a reference for you, your career,
Speaker 1: the things you'd worked on, the movies we'd watched over
Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over again, and
Speaker 1: we were like, she's going to be on this show.
Speaker 1: She came here to do this? Did they get you
Speaker 1: for this show? Moira? Because we like because I remember
Speaker 1: them being like, well, we've got these other folks and
Speaker 1: you know, Chad I met before, and I was like okay,
Speaker 1: and they're like, then we've got Moira Kelly, and I
Speaker 1: mean I know all of us were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Honors. Yeah. It took us weeks and
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks and maybe months to finally be like, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we keep trying not to say it around you, but
Speaker 1: can we ask you a questions about the players, And
Speaker 1: you were just like, Okay, these silly little kiddos, How
Speaker 1: did it? How did it come about out? I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like I was in a different place anyway. Again,
Speaker 1: I had one child and another on the way. And
Speaker 1: so when I was working on One Tree Hill, I
Speaker 1: felt like I really treated that more as um a
Speaker 1: nine to five job. All I could really muster was
Speaker 1: doing my job and then getting home and being being
Speaker 1: with the kids. And so I always felt, um that
Speaker 1: I was kind of not on the outside, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't as immersed in all of you as I usually
Speaker 1: would have been. Um and getting the job. You know,
Speaker 1: in the industry, when you decide that you want to
Speaker 1: make other choices for yourself, you want to take some
Speaker 1: time down, you want to get married, you want to
Speaker 1: raise family, you want to have those other things, the
Speaker 1: industry sometimes put on blinders then and there. It's it's
Speaker 1: a little difficult to to be able to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'd like to go out in the audition and I
Speaker 1: want to get a job, and um One Tree Hill
Speaker 1: actually was the first thing back after taking time down
Speaker 1: with my daughter and yeah, and it was an uphill battle. Really,
Speaker 1: UM not want to get One Tree Hill just to
Speaker 1: kind of get back into the roster of auditioning and
Speaker 1: getting you know, agents and reps to you know, put
Speaker 1: your name out there for things. UM. What's interesting is
Speaker 1: after one tree Hill. I did it again. I took
Speaker 1: twelve years down and you know what my husband and
Speaker 1: I talking about it were like for us everyone could.
Speaker 1: You know, everyone's different and you handle things differently, but
Speaker 1: you know, we both realized, especially for me, that if
Speaker 1: if I go forward in my career, it takes you
Speaker 1: away a lot. You know, it expects you to either
Speaker 1: uproot your entire life and move them around or takes
Speaker 1: you away. And you know, I personally couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: So I felt like, fingers crossed, I'll get a chance
Speaker 1: to break back in, but I don't want to miss
Speaker 1: any opportunity with my children because you can't go back
Speaker 1: and raise them again. You know, it's right, and I
Speaker 1: really feel like I've I've been blessed twice. You know,
Speaker 1: after twelve years, I managed to get a project last
Speaker 1: year here in Texas and then went off to London
Speaker 1: to shoot five months. So well, you have such a
Speaker 1: strong reputation as a wonderful actress. You know, you're the
Speaker 1: body of work behind you is speaks for itself, and
Speaker 1: thank you. I never would never, would never think that
Speaker 1: you could go away for any amount of time and
Speaker 1: not be able to come right back and let everyone go, oh,
Speaker 1: Wira Kelly, we love her. Reality, the industry is not
Speaker 1: kind to women. Men can do it, men can, and
Speaker 1: they do often um, but women just don't really get
Speaker 1: those opportunities as much as your beloved, um, as much
Speaker 1: as your body work is I think for women were
Speaker 1: always kind of on that precipice of no matter what
Speaker 1: my body work looks like, if I'm not willing to
Speaker 1: jump right now to them, uh, you know, I might
Speaker 1: not get a chance again. And that's changing, I believe.
Speaker 1: I think so too, something that I've observed, and it's
Speaker 1: really interesting watching friends be at various stages of this.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that when men have families, when
Speaker 1: men make choices, people go, oh, good for him. And strangely,
Speaker 1: when women say I'm going to take a moment, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go have a kid and i'll you know, then
Speaker 1: I'll throw my name back in the ring, there's almost
Speaker 1: this energy of, oh, but you're not really going to
Speaker 1: come back, because now you've had kids, you know you
Speaker 1: you can't possibly be a mom and have a career.
Speaker 1: And it's like, have you ever said that to the guys.
Speaker 1: It's such an odd um, it's such an odd thing,
Speaker 1: and I have to say thank you for even just
Speaker 1: hearing that part of the story with us, because there
Speaker 1: are moments when we have discussions on our show and
Speaker 1: we realize I can almost feel the folks at home
Speaker 1: nodding along, and I know that you being frank about
Speaker 1: that will make it doesn't just make all of us
Speaker 1: feel seen in the choices we've had to make, but
Speaker 1: I know there's people listening at home right now going
Speaker 1: that's exactly how I felt, and why was there a
Speaker 1: double standard with my partner? And and I think I
Speaker 1: feel like I can see how it informs so much
Speaker 1: of life, you know, in the time from when we
Speaker 1: met and the three of us would follow you around
Speaker 1: like little ducklings and be like, where's she going? What's
Speaker 1: she doing? Do you think we can ask her if
Speaker 1: we can have dinner? Should we should we go? Say hi? Now? Um?
Speaker 1: But it's it's funny because I see so much of
Speaker 1: the way you all have navigated these things now, and
Speaker 1: it it's strangely makes me want to ask you questions
Speaker 1: as a as a performer and how you prepared for
Speaker 1: our show because one of the things we all keep
Speaker 1: coming back to is for the character Obviously, the writing
Speaker 1: is the writing, and you do what's on the page.
Speaker 1: But so many women in Karen's position, having gone through
Speaker 1: what she went through with Dan having this young baby,
Speaker 1: might have wanted to leave a town as small as
Speaker 1: Tree Hill, might have wanted to move back to where
Speaker 1: their parents were have extra help. And Karen stayed and
Speaker 1: faced it and firmly planted her feet in the ground.
Speaker 1: And we have been dying to ask you, how did
Speaker 1: you build the backstory? What choices did you make that
Speaker 1: made Karen remaining in in that community makes sense for
Speaker 1: you as an actor? What's what's what's under the curtain? Moira? Um,
Speaker 1: there's nothing really under the curtain. It's your life experience,
Speaker 1: you know. I think, really again, I'm going back to
Speaker 1: the idea if I am a woman, I'm speaking from
Speaker 1: a woman's point of view. Um, you come up against
Speaker 1: a lot of obstacles when you come up against a
Speaker 1: lot of challenges, starting at a very young age. And UM,
Speaker 1: you can either dig deep and choose to standard ground
Speaker 1: and fight through what you love. UM, work real hard
Speaker 1: for what you want, not listen to the naysayers, not
Speaker 1: given to the fear and the doubt, and keep finding
Speaker 1: a way forward, and UM, I feel in my own life,
Speaker 1: you know, I've had those moments where I've had to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: is this where I get stopped? Now? Now you know,
Speaker 1: you say what you want to say, you know, tell
Speaker 1: me what my choices are. But I know what I'm
Speaker 1: capable of, I know what I want, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to find a way forward. Um. And I think that
Speaker 1: translates over to Karen. You know, why should she leave
Speaker 1: the town she loves? Why should she make it easier
Speaker 1: for you know, Paul's character, for Dan to not have
Speaker 1: to look at his son. Why should she give right? No,
Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways she kind of
Speaker 1: embodied the inner soul of again, not just women, but
Speaker 1: anyone who comes up against that wall. Is it is
Speaker 1: handed burdens that people say, Okay, you might as well
Speaker 1: just crawl away, um, and they decide to know what, No,
Speaker 1: I'm stronger than that. I'm I'm I have more than
Speaker 1: I want and I'm not giving up just because this
Speaker 1: has been put into my path. So, UM, I think
Speaker 1: that's really where it came from. Um. From body that
Speaker 1: behind the scenes though, to Moira, you were the first
Speaker 1: woman who I had ever met that like had a
Speaker 1: script that she was working on that she was like, why,
Speaker 1: Like you, you were like, I'm going to direct. I
Speaker 1: have this script. It's a true story. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember. I mean, I'm sure you and the
Speaker 1: fact that you shared that with us, you know, I
Speaker 1: I remember falling down that rabbit hole, like researching the
Speaker 1: story that you wanted to direct, and being so impressed
Speaker 1: that just on your own, you were at home writing
Speaker 1: the script and doing the research and trying to raise money.
Speaker 1: And that blew my mind and it shaped the entire
Speaker 1: rest of my time on One Tree Hill because then
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I want to do that behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. That's what I want to do at home.
Speaker 1: That seems like a fun hobby. And so when you
Speaker 1: directed the show and we got to greedily have you
Speaker 1: on set all day long as opposed to these little
Speaker 1: scenes here and there, what was the process of you directing?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like it was always a no brainer
Speaker 1: that Paul was going to direct, because he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: a director, I'm a guy, trust me. Did you have
Speaker 1: to convince them to let you direct? Or was that
Speaker 1: an offer that was put on the table because it
Speaker 1: was one of the highlights of our time on the show.
Speaker 1: Have you hear? Um? No, I wasn't offered, but um
Speaker 1: it was at one of the might have been like
Speaker 1: the Christmas party, one of the parties. UM. I went
Speaker 1: to very few of them, but the one that I
Speaker 1: did go to, I remember Mark and Joe Devola coming
Speaker 1: up to me and um, they were telling me about
Speaker 1: how you know they're gonna move forward with the kids
Speaker 1: storylines and you know the adults were going to be
Speaker 1: cut back a little bit. But was there anything that
Speaker 1: um I wanted or I needed? And I decided them
Speaker 1: as I want to direct, that's what I wanted. You
Speaker 1: can give it. Wanted a lot of people. I want one,
Speaker 1: so make that you should have had more than one. Yes.
Speaker 1: The reason why is because I think the first one
Speaker 1: came out so well. I really feel like, um, there
Speaker 1: were a number of people who were I don't want
Speaker 1: to say they were expecting me to not do well,
Speaker 1: but you know it is kind of it kind of
Speaker 1: was a boys club a little bit and a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of it. Let her have her little moment.
Speaker 1: And what I loved was when Craig Prange came to
Speaker 1: me and he said, not only are you under budget
Speaker 1: in filmingness, you have had days where you've had downtime
Speaker 1: for the crew because you got everything done. I'm like,
Speaker 1: and why are you so surprised, I've been on enough set. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know. Also, women can't afford to do that when
Speaker 1: we're when we're doing our work, when we're directing, we
Speaker 1: can't afford to have days go along and go over
Speaker 1: budget because it's it's up. See there you go. That's
Speaker 1: why you gotta you know, stick with the boys club,
Speaker 1: that's the response. So no, we work over time to
Speaker 1: be able to get everybody in undertime exactly. And I
Speaker 1: love where the industry is going now. I find that
Speaker 1: more women in production, more women who are opening production
Speaker 1: companies and producing, more women directors. Um to me, I'm
Speaker 1: just this is what it was like in the early
Speaker 1: really in the early nineteen hundreds, before the banks got
Speaker 1: involved with making film, women were a huge part of
Speaker 1: the film industry. They were great that, they were directors,
Speaker 1: they were writers. Um. It all changed once the studios
Speaker 1: went to the banks for money to invest in films.
Speaker 1: And then I guess with the banks figured were women
Speaker 1: weren't really smart enough to handle the money. So and
Speaker 1: that's when everything changed then women kind of got blocked out.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's been a lot of big shifts
Speaker 1: and changes of the last i'd say five six years,
Speaker 1: and it does me proud to know that anyone who
Speaker 1: has been uh kind of pushed out now has voice,
Speaker 1: now has a stage in which to step out and
Speaker 1: and make something happen for themselves. And it's happening in
Speaker 1: big ways in the industry and it really excites me.
Speaker 1: How did you get involved in film era? Like? Was
Speaker 1: your family involved in film? I feel like, did you
Speaker 1: have musicians in your family? Yeah, we're all of the musicians.
Speaker 1: My dad's musician. I've got three or four siblings and musicians. UM.
Speaker 1: We grew up playing music. UM. In high school, I
Speaker 1: was on stage doing production, but I always wanted to
Speaker 1: get into music. It was kind of a flute that
Speaker 1: I ended up auditioning for an agent UM and in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks he handed me a script and said,
Speaker 1: I want you to audition for this, and that was it.
Speaker 1: I started my career in started in film and then
Speaker 1: television of films. So I'll be honest, I never dreamed
Speaker 1: of being an actress and really wanted to be one more.
Speaker 1: You're sitting with a big band, singing and dancing and
Speaker 1: doing all that, but never never really dreamed about being
Speaker 1: in film and television. So have you been playing music
Speaker 1: in Texas? Oh? Yeah, guitar, writing some songs. Um. I've
Speaker 1: also had two other scripts that we're shopping around. So
Speaker 1: oh that's gonna make me so I think for me
Speaker 1: that will be my end game as I want to
Speaker 1: be on the other side of the camera, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: I enjoy acting. I get a lot of fulfilment out
Speaker 1: of it, but I really do like sitting in the
Speaker 1: control scene control. I like having a vision on something
Speaker 1: and and and working collaboratively with with a crew. For me,
Speaker 1: some of my my favorite people on the set are
Speaker 1: the crew, um have always been. And I get so
Speaker 1: excited when so many talented people come together to make
Speaker 1: this thing happen. And when it's your vision and people
Speaker 1: are working really hard to make that happen, it's so exciting.
Speaker 1: So um, I'm hoping that my future holds more more
Speaker 1: directorial opportunities for me. Let us help, Yeah, what can
Speaker 1: we do to help? Because you you are so you're
Speaker 1: you're such a talented director, you're so keen. Um, and
Speaker 1: you have such strong instincts about you know what, I
Speaker 1: what I love. I talked to Paul a lot about directing,
Speaker 1: and you know, one of his favorite quotes is directing
Speaker 1: his quality control. That's really what it is, its quality control.
Speaker 1: And I agree because if every if you trust everyone
Speaker 1: in their departments to do what they're doing, you just
Speaker 1: are there to sort of steer the ship a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you can trust that everyone's doing what they're doing.
Speaker 1: But that's what's great about having a director like you,
Speaker 1: with such a strong instinct and knowing how to just
Speaker 1: come in and just give a little tweak, a little
Speaker 1: note here and there. You can feel, especially because you're
Speaker 1: an actor and you're such a sensitive artist, that you can, uh,
Speaker 1: you can feel where the emotion of this, where the
Speaker 1: music is in the scene emotionally and and take us
Speaker 1: on that journey. Um. And I always felt that was sorry,
Speaker 1: my dogs are barking, but I always felt that we
Speaker 1: feel like a strong suit of yours. Now, Bethany, you
Speaker 1: directed as well, right I did? Yeah, Yeah, everyone's calling
Speaker 1: me Joy. Don't worry. I was confusing, but just call
Speaker 1: me what you always did. It's okay. It's like a
Speaker 1: secret code. Tell me about your experiences. Yeah, I loved directing.
Speaker 1: I mean that was I think as I had directed
Speaker 1: theater a lot when I was as I was growing
Speaker 1: growing up, you know, in the high school productions and
Speaker 1: some stuff outside of that, and I also had been
Speaker 1: on sets for a long time, especially doing the soap opera.
Speaker 1: Did you ever do a soap Moira? No? I mean
Speaker 1: you're you're on a set, it's every single day, and
Speaker 1: it's all day, and there's just so many, you know,
Speaker 1: pages and pages of dialogue and you have to get
Speaker 1: used to finding the rhythms really quickly. Um so. I
Speaker 1: think that really helped me be able to especially in TV.
Speaker 1: It's not with film. You have more time to rehearse
Speaker 1: and you have time to practice something and shooting one
Speaker 1: scene all day long. With TV, you got to find
Speaker 1: the movement. Um Another quote I remember hearing from a
Speaker 1: director on our set was find the music. He would
Speaker 1: say that to the a camera operators, like, move with
Speaker 1: the field of music inside of you, of what's happening emotionally,
Speaker 1: the metaphorical music of um so. I think being a
Speaker 1: musician really helped with that. Having an experience on on
Speaker 1: the soap and doing our show for I think six
Speaker 1: years before I directed an episode really helps that. So
Speaker 1: if you directed to right, yeah, yeah, the last three
Speaker 1: seasons and I think I agree with Joy. You know,
Speaker 1: having this sort of um, the container and the rhythm
Speaker 1: of our show was incredible. It was an incredible first
Speaker 1: foray into that. For me, you know, growing up working
Speaker 1: for my dad and being in a photo studio, it
Speaker 1: was the visuals. It was all the camera stuff that
Speaker 1: made the most sense to me. Um and so Peter Kowalski,
Speaker 1: you know, who became our DP. We had such a rhythm.
Speaker 1: We had such a blast working together whenever I was directing.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, the quality control, the hurting cats of
Speaker 1: like figuring out the cast like god, directing parties at Trick,
Speaker 1: I was like, how do people do that? Where is everybody?
Speaker 1: You know? But it's it's such an amazing experience because
Speaker 1: it does teach you truly how many moving parts there are.
Speaker 1: And and I think you know, something that we all
Speaker 1: have spoken so much about on this podcast is feeling
Speaker 1: the way that you just referenced Moira, that we just
Speaker 1: we really right or die for our crew, And man
Speaker 1: if I wasn't already so obsessed with the people who
Speaker 1: make a show happen. Directing, I was like, everybody should
Speaker 1: be paid more. Everybody deserves cookies, better food, Like what's
Speaker 1: going on? You know, because you're just the honey wagon
Speaker 1: together everybody like you realize that it's just it's such
Speaker 1: a labor of love. I I do think we're all
Speaker 1: so so lucky. And it gives it gives you a
Speaker 1: whole other understanding. It's a funny puzzle piece too. You're
Speaker 1: putting together a puzzle looking for how what's not something
Speaker 1: not making sense? Why doesn't it make sense? I know
Speaker 1: why it doesn't make sense this little piece, do this,
Speaker 1: I think that, and then we'll see it in your
Speaker 1: in your character's eyes, and then it's like the whole
Speaker 1: scene comes together. It's just so fun piecing a puzzle
Speaker 1: together like that. Yeah, it's nice to get your feet
Speaker 1: with it on something that you're comfortable with. Two. I mean,
Speaker 1: having been on the show for another seasons, you really
Speaker 1: get a feel for the locations for the characters, so
Speaker 1: you know, it makes a little easier than for you
Speaker 1: to come in. And what I found exciting was find
Speaker 1: a new way to show something that's been seen so
Speaker 1: many times, you know, just you know, inject something a
Speaker 1: little different into an actor playing at character and see
Speaker 1: if they'll take it someplace else, you know, discover the
Speaker 1: layers that are there that haven't you been exposed, which
Speaker 1: is so exciting. If you could have done anything different
Speaker 1: with our show as the experienced female actress on set,
Speaker 1: what would you have done different with One Tree Hill?
Speaker 1: Was there anything that stood out to you? Um? I
Speaker 1: will say it didn't stand up at the time because
Speaker 1: again I having a small family and just looking at
Speaker 1: my work on that really as a nine to five
Speaker 1: Like usually when I work on a project, I would
Speaker 1: love hanging out with a crew on the weekend, hang
Speaker 1: out with actors, go out to dinner, do you know,
Speaker 1: go to all the parties. I was in a different
Speaker 1: place in my life and you know, hearing honestly what
Speaker 1: all of you young women had to go through. UM,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get choked up. If I could
Speaker 1: go back, UM, I would have made my presence stronger there.
Speaker 1: And I felt like, you know, being somewhat of a veteran,
Speaker 1: you were also very young coming into this situation. There's
Speaker 1: a part of me that feels like I let you
Speaker 1: all down. My God, no, no, no, no, no, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, it's just my own it's but if if
Speaker 1: I had been more present, I would have been more
Speaker 1: aware maybe of what was going on. I surely would
Speaker 1: have said something. I surely would have done something. And
Speaker 1: so if I could do anything, go back and do
Speaker 1: anything different, I would make my presence so solid on
Speaker 1: that show, and I would have made myself so available
Speaker 1: to all of you. You were, you were more. This
Speaker 1: is the first time I've seen you since I left
Speaker 1: the show, and I wanted to tell you this for
Speaker 1: years and years and years, But in the last episode
Speaker 1: of the show, everyone in my world was telling me,
Speaker 1: you can't leave, you can't leave. You know. I didn't
Speaker 1: direct because I didn't want to be on set all
Speaker 1: day because it was so bad. And I was in
Speaker 1: my hospital gown, sitting in the lobby of the hospital
Speaker 1: because Peyton was like strapped to a table. And you
Speaker 1: came and you sat next to me, and you started
Speaker 1: off by just joking and you were like, you know,
Speaker 1: what's going on? And I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do, and you said run and like you
Speaker 1: said you you like started it off with a joke,
Speaker 1: and I was like yeah, and you were like you.
Speaker 1: You said to me, he said, there's so many chapters
Speaker 1: in life, and this is just one. This is just one.
Speaker 1: And you were the only person that gave me permission
Speaker 1: to go. But I so valued your opinion of me
Speaker 1: and of our business and and the way you prioritize
Speaker 1: your family over work, and that's what I wanted. Like,
Speaker 1: what you had is what I wanted. So you didn't
Speaker 1: have to say anything because you lived it and we
Speaker 1: could just like see it. Um. So I hope I
Speaker 1: get to see you in person and like actually hug you.
Speaker 1: But I have wanted to thank you for that, honestly
Speaker 1: since I was twenty six years old and I'm not
Speaker 1: even close anymore. It's been a lot of years. But
Speaker 1: you did that, Like you just set such a positive
Speaker 1: example for us, and you were safe. You didn't have
Speaker 1: to put any extra effort into it. Yeah. And and Mara,
Speaker 1: I have to say as well, it's such a double
Speaker 1: standard for women and so deeply unfair that that responsibility
Speaker 1: should have even energetically fallen on your shoulders. None of
Speaker 1: us are supposed to go to work and deal with it,
Speaker 1: and and you were not supposed to have to give
Speaker 1: up time with your infants to come and use yourself
Speaker 1: as a shield for your coworkers. It's wrong. It's just wrong,
Speaker 1: and manage the chaos. You inspired us exactly in the
Speaker 1: way that Hillary is saying when you would when you
Speaker 1: would say exactly the right thing in the moment that
Speaker 1: everyone needed to hear it. And you did that a lot.
Speaker 1: When when we got to see you, know, you and
Speaker 1: your husband and your kids. I mean, I swear to God,
Speaker 1: I think it's the reason we were all trying to
Speaker 1: settle down so early. We were like, we just want
Speaker 1: to grow up and be like Mora, like if we
Speaker 1: all get married right away. We we we looked up
Speaker 1: to you, and you you set an example by being
Speaker 1: and and it's a profound um it's a very profound
Speaker 1: influence and and it was a gift for us from
Speaker 1: from the really committed and classy way you show up
Speaker 1: to work to the way that you showed us it
Speaker 1: was possible to to do this job and after and
Speaker 1: be a producer and be a director and be a mom.
Speaker 1: You proved it, and so we're just still deeply obsessed
Speaker 1: with you. Was really the point. If you're ever hanging
Speaker 1: out on your trailer stairs, we're gonna come by and lurk.
Speaker 1: We all have to get together and do something because
Speaker 1: even see you, I just want to hug you all.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I appreciate that. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: that came through. I think it's really important for all
Speaker 1: of us to be the strongest, best examples we can
Speaker 1: for the people in our world, you know, everyone around us, UM,
Speaker 1: and we do that through our actions and through our
Speaker 1: words and UM. You know, sometimes we don't realize how
Speaker 1: we affect other people. I'm very grateful to hear that
Speaker 1: it was all coming through and it was all positive
Speaker 1: and wonderful for all of you. Yes it was. I
Speaker 1: still think about that when I'm on sets and when
Speaker 1: i'm you know, thinking about prioritizing my time with my daughter. UM.
Speaker 1: There was a permission that you gave me and all
Speaker 1: of us, UM to be able to have boundaries. Still
Speaker 1: show up and do your job, but UM, have a
Speaker 1: boundary for yourself taking care of yourself. That is, you
Speaker 1: lead by example, and it it's so valuable. I truly,
Speaker 1: truly still have images of you sitting in your chair
Speaker 1: working on your material, totally available and open. It's not
Speaker 1: you would ever disappear and go hide away. You are
Speaker 1: always present, but you you had an air about you
Speaker 1: that was um so warm and inviting, but you still
Speaker 1: had boundaries about your work in your own self care.
Speaker 1: And and those images come to mind on days when
Speaker 1: I'm on sets and I think like I'm giving more
Speaker 1: than I need to right now, I'm I've done my job.
Speaker 1: It's okay for me to save some for me and
Speaker 1: for my daughters. Yeah, and you have not to claim
Speaker 1: it because they're not going to give it to you.
Speaker 1: You know, you really do have to claim it and
Speaker 1: then be okay with that. You have every right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and have your kids ever watched the show? No, believe
Speaker 1: it or not. That's good, that's I think. The only
Speaker 1: thing they've watched that I've ever done was um, The
Speaker 1: Lion King. My kids, I am still you know, my
Speaker 1: son is actually going into film. He wants to be
Speaker 1: a cinematographer. Really. Yeah, So we talk a lot, we
Speaker 1: go to movies a lot, and then we do we
Speaker 1: kind of do a mom' son movie night, and then
Speaker 1: we discuss where does he want to do to school?
Speaker 1: He's looking at m y U. Yeah, younger's crossed, but yeah,
Speaker 1: to me I've I've you know, I've always just maintained
Speaker 1: the mom's status. You know. Um, they're proud of my work,
Speaker 1: you know, even though they haven't seen it, they're proud
Speaker 1: of what I do. They're very supportive. But UM, I'm
Speaker 1: okay with them not being interested in seeing it. They
Speaker 1: had a lot of friends. You're not going to make
Speaker 1: them sit down, and um, they would come over to
Speaker 1: the house and they'd come into the kitchen, and I
Speaker 1: had so many moments of these kids just stopping in
Speaker 1: their tracks and going your mom's terror. So I had
Speaker 1: a lot of your friends like really tongue tied and
Speaker 1: then coming over a lot they're like, oh, we just
Speaker 1: want to stop by and sayid and talking about different
Speaker 1: episodes and different characters. You know, what's so interesting about
Speaker 1: the show is that it really is somewhat timeless, you know,
Speaker 1: especially when I think about that episode. Um, uh to
Speaker 1: wish the impossible dream? Isn't that Whether it is or yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it? Um. You know we all have when we're young.
Speaker 1: We have these dreams and asked rations and places we
Speaker 1: want to go. Um. I think I said a little earlier.
Speaker 1: And even though we grow up, we make mistakes. Things
Speaker 1: do change. Um, the the effervescence of those passions and
Speaker 1: ideas and those dreams are still there, and they're very universal. Um,
Speaker 1: even as you get older, you know, like um, Karen
Speaker 1: can go and and and dig up that time capsule
Speaker 1: and everything in there is so outdated. But the joy
Speaker 1: of what that was and the reality of coming from
Speaker 1: that place to where she was, that's the point, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's timeless and and quite universal. Um.
Speaker 1: It really comes down to relationships. You know. The dreams
Speaker 1: we have, the things we aspire to can only really
Speaker 1: succes need when we are genuinely and sincerely in relationship
Speaker 1: with others. And that's shown in that episode Across the Board,
Speaker 1: I mean Hillary with you and um, can I think
Speaker 1: of his name now, James. You know you had a history,
Speaker 1: but there you were together being able to be honest
Speaker 1: and sincere with each other. UM. Joy with you and
Speaker 1: Lucas it was a past you know that you had.
Speaker 1: That was a bond that is unbreakable. And then for you, Sophie,
Speaker 1: Sophia with a mouth boyd door absolutely love him. You're
Speaker 1: both from two entirely different worlds, and yet the sincerity
Speaker 1: and honesty of what happens in that night. That's what
Speaker 1: that's what you carry on into the future. That that's
Speaker 1: what fuels those dreams and those aspirations. You know. Um.
Speaker 1: We even got to see Whitey in this episode. I
Speaker 1: mean to see Whitey have fun because he loves that school.
Speaker 1: It's like that in the community, the relationship there for
Speaker 1: him to see the joy was fun. And to know
Speaker 1: that it's multigenerational. Yeah, and to know that, you know,
Speaker 1: things change, your dreams change, your goals change, things change.
Speaker 1: But those those bonds that you make, those moments that
Speaker 1: you share that are genuine and of the heart and honest, that's,
Speaker 1: you know, the tapestry of life. That's what you build
Speaker 1: your future on and that's what helps you find that
Speaker 1: way forward, um and gives you strength. It's what Hailey's
Speaker 1: tattoo was. She's like, if I can just remember this
Speaker 1: feeling forever, it's that's your time capsule. Do you have
Speaker 1: a t Do you have a time capsule tattoo? Me?
Speaker 1: I too. I've got a little crescent men on my
Speaker 1: right angle that I got when I met my husband
Speaker 1: because I just remember your husband biking all over Wilmington's
Speaker 1: my little cycler um and then before I went off
Speaker 1: to London, my daughter and I each got butterflies on
Speaker 1: our left. Thing. You just that's so good you Wow. Wait, Moira,
Speaker 1: we would be remiss not to talk about London a
Speaker 1: little bit because you are coming out with a massive
Speaker 1: series Citadel is you and oh my god, Stanley Tucci,
Speaker 1: we love him, Prianka Chopper, Richard Madden, I mean, what
Speaker 1: a what a team? Can you tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit about this and tell the folks at home when
Speaker 1: it's coming so so we can all be ready. The
Speaker 1: only thing I can tell you is it is called Citadel.
Speaker 1: It's on Amazon um. The first season should be released
Speaker 1: in November, so long. Yeah when it's the biggest groundbreaking
Speaker 1: television experience. They've never they've never done anything quite like this.
Speaker 1: But that's all I can tell you. We all exciting.
Speaker 1: I thought Game of Thrones did that. I thought West
Speaker 1: World did that? What are we going to see that's
Speaker 1: bigger than that? I'm so excited. It's it's pretty, it's
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. It blew my mind once I was finally
Speaker 1: allowed to hear the overall scale, because we were left
Speaker 1: in the dark for quite a while with it just
Speaker 1: because they didn't want information getting out. But the week
Speaker 1: I was wrapping, the doucer sat me down and told
Speaker 1: me the entire scale of it. You didn't know until
Speaker 1: you were wrapping m Now we were all really kept
Speaker 1: in the dark. You only really knew what you're what
Speaker 1: you were expected to. Now, only Moira Kelly can take
Speaker 1: twelve years off and come back to the business. You
Speaker 1: did the biggest show in the history of television. It
Speaker 1: feels right, That feels right. I love it, Moira. Will
Speaker 1: you come back for the episode that you directed? Will
Speaker 1: you come back? We love that. I really would love that,
Speaker 1: and I love the girlcy. This represents what I was
Speaker 1: talking about. The three of you have made a bond
Speaker 1: over the years, and to see the three of you
Speaker 1: together working together on this podcast, still sharing your lives
Speaker 1: is it just gives me great joy. Me me. What
Speaker 1: you have built in in working on One Tree Hill
Speaker 1: together goes beyond one Tree Hill and we'll carry you
Speaker 1: very far. Stay close to each other, stay strong for
Speaker 1: each other, um because it's a beautiful thing. It's an
Speaker 1: absolute beautiful thing. Thank you, Moira, We love you, love
Speaker 1: you so much. Now stay safe out there. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: tell your son to get up here to New York
Speaker 1: so you and I can just brunch while he's in school.
Speaker 1: When you come ups, It's so good to see you, Moira.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thank you for everything. Thank you. Hi.
Speaker 1: Oh my good guys. Everyone's just crying. I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: a minute. Wow. I love her so much. She was
Speaker 1: such a constant, steady presence. I mean, I meant every
Speaker 1: word that I said. She really gave us permission to
Speaker 1: um be everything that we needed to be and also
Speaker 1: take care of ourselves, which I didn't know how valuable
Speaker 1: that was. I didn't know I was learning that lesson
Speaker 1: until now, Like until I've been older with a child
Speaker 1: on sets, and I'm suddenly remembering, Wait, it's okay for
Speaker 1: me to just sit here and read a book or
Speaker 1: work on my script and not have to make sure
Speaker 1: everybody likes me, walk around making sure everybody's like I'm
Speaker 1: talking to everyone and doing it. It's okay, Like I
Speaker 1: can just be here and be available, but take my
Speaker 1: Because I remember Moira just sitting there and doing that.
Speaker 1: It was such a beautiful permission. M hmmm. It's so
Speaker 1: the pressure of like, um wanting to say thank you,
Speaker 1: to someone for so long, like she's just so easy,
Speaker 1: she's so cool, and that that makes you want to
Speaker 1: say it even louder, you know, it's just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you don't know that you saved my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know why would have happened to me if
Speaker 1: I had stayed. You know, Hillary, I met my husband,
Speaker 1: I got my son exists because Moira Kelly told me
Speaker 1: to run, you know, and so I did. And um,
Speaker 1: I just think about how different my life would be
Speaker 1: if she wasn't that one person to give me permission
Speaker 1: to just go because she had it. We we all
Speaker 1: were little, and to us it was like you can't go,
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean? This? This is our place?
Speaker 1: It was like this is our this is ours And
Speaker 1: and for her it feels like her being able to
Speaker 1: see through really what was just a container a chapter
Speaker 1: and and and give you the kind of advice that
Speaker 1: she modeled and what joy is talking about just taking
Speaker 1: permission to do what you need that that's okay. It
Speaker 1: It was a lesson that no one else in that container,
Speaker 1: in that world that we shared was teaching us. Everyone
Speaker 1: else was saying what more can you give? What more
Speaker 1: can you do? How can you how can you give
Speaker 1: more of yourself to this? And and it's revolutionary for
Speaker 1: a person to say, what do you need? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so special. She's just such a class act. And you know,
Speaker 1: we that was the kind of the strange magic of
Speaker 1: our show is that we had a lot of tachie
Speaker 1: in our show. I mean, we've got strip clubs in
Speaker 1: this show, going to the club. We've got boy toy
Speaker 1: auction with like kisses at midnight, which doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 1: you know, And then it's it's countered by this total
Speaker 1: classy woman and and you know, like really earnest moments
Speaker 1: in some of these relationships of the duality. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: the magic. Maybe that's what makes the fans like buy
Speaker 1: in because it's not too schmaltzy and it's not too perverted.
Speaker 1: It's just the right amount of schmaltz purv. Is that
Speaker 1: a term like schmaltzperv fresh out of flesh? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what I loved in the moments watching especially this budding
Speaker 1: relationship with Karen and Larry and and the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it then, but watching this episode with
Speaker 1: you guys today, I was like, oh man, the parents
Speaker 1: are just people trying to figure out what they're doing.
Speaker 1: People don't have the answers. Nobody ever has the end, Like,
Speaker 1: nobody ever gets it all figured out. And when we
Speaker 1: were young, we thought, well, eventually we'll be grown ups
Speaker 1: and we'll have it all figured out. And and they
Speaker 1: just so beautifully and so vulnerably. We're like, we don't
Speaker 1: know either, We're just testing the waters. Well, and Karen
Speaker 1: gets put in the biggest pickle ever in this episode.
Speaker 1: We all Joe dropped at She's got one dude kissing
Speaker 1: her in the kitchen and then another dude on the
Speaker 1: front porch for the ring with the ring literally one
Speaker 1: guy leaves out the back door in the front door
Speaker 1: bell rings and for her, and she gets proposed to well,
Speaker 1: they're turning it up to eleven. There were some big moments.
Speaker 1: Brooks big announcement at the end of this episode which
Speaker 1: I thought for me. She says that to him when
Speaker 1: she says I might be pregnant, it has to be
Speaker 1: real and she has to be terrified, and and so
Speaker 1: that that was the choice I made for her. But
Speaker 1: I know it was a bit of a it was
Speaker 1: a bit of a fight, and I appreciated when we
Speaker 1: were having it, Hillary was in my corner being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is up, and I was like, thank you, we
Speaker 1: like you were upset. It just felt because it did it.
Speaker 1: It felt a responsibility to set a good example. I
Speaker 1: think that part of it. You know how many young
Speaker 1: girls were watching this show, and how many girls related
Speaker 1: to Brooke, and you know, we're learning to look up
Speaker 1: to the different aspects of all of our personalities and journeys.
Speaker 1: So I felt that responsibility well, and Brooke had become
Speaker 1: so beloved at that point that for anyone who was
Speaker 1: like I want to be you know, I'm team Brooke.
Speaker 1: You never want anyone emulating behavior like that. You know what.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a model the bad behavior. I wanted to
Speaker 1: have a conversation about the the hardship that happens to
Speaker 1: a lot of young women. So great episode. You had
Speaker 1: such a sweet I'm a little girl who's got the
Speaker 1: so sweet. I think also we know the medium that
Speaker 1: we were in with that show, and the network and
Speaker 1: the sort of space, and how much we could trust
Speaker 1: the writers to or not trust them to handle. You know,
Speaker 1: if we're talking about if we're talking about different material
Speaker 1: and maybe a different I don't know the network at
Speaker 1: the time, or you know, just a different space, different medium. Um.
Speaker 1: Having a character who is using the words I'm pregnant
Speaker 1: as a manipulation. UM, I have no judgment on that
Speaker 1: as an actor, because you know, you could trust that
Speaker 1: there are places where you could trust the writers to
Speaker 1: actually take the audience on a journey with that character
Speaker 1: to understanding why that was not the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: You know, how what does she learn about her life
Speaker 1: when she says something like that, How that affects people? Um,
Speaker 1: you know that's a journey that I'm interested in because
Speaker 1: I have no judgment on the behavior, as much as
Speaker 1: I just would like to see the journey to redemption
Speaker 1: from that bad choice. But in our medium, in our show,
Speaker 1: as we've seen we were talking about last time, we
Speaker 1: blow through storyline so quickly, we don't time right. There
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of tender, loving care to watching someone
Speaker 1: make a bad decision and seeing how it affected them
Speaker 1: and everyone else around them and then bringing it back
Speaker 1: around to redemption. We didn't have a proof that was
Speaker 1: going to happen, So I get why you were fighting
Speaker 1: for Brooke right then. The proof is this episode where
Speaker 1: we never went to court. Never was so crazy And
Speaker 1: by the way, Joy, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: give away what happens in the next episode. But I
Speaker 1: still didn't win the fight. There still is they stilled
Speaker 1: into her having the information before and and then weaponizing
Speaker 1: the information. So I only I only, I only was
Speaker 1: fifty heard. And it is interesting because it is the cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: So it's the only reason it goes past one episode
Speaker 1: because normally we don't really see I will never I
Speaker 1: will never get over the casual. Yeah, I'm emancipated. I
Speaker 1: got an apartment, Like how long did this take? When
Speaker 1: did they go to court? Where was the fight? Who said?
Speaker 1: Where did he get the money to pay first and
Speaker 1: last month's rent? Like what? There's just an apartment that
Speaker 1: looks like a set from Dexter. Of course, things like
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Kill me in here? Like what?
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, just needed less parents in a show
Speaker 1: where there were only like parents. They're like, how can
Speaker 1: you remaining percentage? Get it half an episode? We're gonna
Speaker 1: put him in an apartment and all the adults behaving
Speaker 1: badly too, I mean, Whitey with booze in his desk,
Speaker 1: can you imagine it's so illegal. Can you imagine? Is
Speaker 1: it illegal in a high school? In a high school,
Speaker 1: it is. It's such a common thing. Like, oh, the
Speaker 1: teacher with the bourbon in the desk, where does that
Speaker 1: come from? Because they don't pay teachers enough. If you
Speaker 1: have maybe right, that's it. I'm going to go out
Speaker 1: and be the voice of descent here and say you
Speaker 1: can have as many bottles of bourbon in your desk
Speaker 1: as you want until they pay you and then hey,
Speaker 1: I'm down power through um heartbreaking quote from Brooken this
Speaker 1: girls just want someone who wants them back. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's just girls or if everybody wants that,
Speaker 1: but that is definitely that's definitely true. And that hit
Speaker 1: home for me. It did for me too, And and
Speaker 1: something I loved about it the the representation of really tender,
Speaker 1: platonic friendships between men and women in this episode being
Speaker 1: willing to be vulnerable about their feelings and their experiences
Speaker 1: Haley and Lucas, Nathan and Peyton Broken Mouth. I liked.
Speaker 1: It felt to me like the representation for Brooke and
Speaker 1: Mouth was really about I get that it looks great
Speaker 1: from the outside, but on the inside it's terrible and
Speaker 1: it it reminded us to to look a little bit
Speaker 1: past the outside of someone and I just loved that
Speaker 1: these people who thought they were so different really shared
Speaker 1: and understanding of each other after that night. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: loved that too. The confession thing is it's a big
Speaker 1: deal for me. I didn't really get to work with
Speaker 1: James and scenes that weren't contentious, and this was the
Speaker 1: first time that we were like being friends and like
Speaker 1: funs with each other. And I've been such a bit
Speaker 1: for the first what episode is this seventeen? I've been
Speaker 1: such a bit for the first you know, fifteen sixteen
Speaker 1: episodes about the sexual lity of all of it. And
Speaker 1: so I finally in this episode get to say to him,
Speaker 1: I haven't been with anybody else, like you're the only
Speaker 1: person that I've been with. And that's a big confession
Speaker 1: because he just assumes that she's off, you know, looking
Speaker 1: up with other dudes. And I think that maybe boys
Speaker 1: assume the girls move faster than they do. You know,
Speaker 1: when I was single in Wilmington's, everybody thought I was
Speaker 1: sleeping with everybody, nobody, like there was nobody. But if
Speaker 1: you're loud and kind of you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: out thearismatic people make assumptions. Um. I love seeing that
Speaker 1: Nathan and Peyton were being so there was such a setting,
Speaker 1: a such a good example and being so sort of
Speaker 1: mature about the fact that, I mean, to people who
Speaker 1: have in high school you're sleeping, if you're sleeping together
Speaker 1: with somebody in high school, there's that that bond is
Speaker 1: so strong, those bonding chemicals are so strong. And the
Speaker 1: fact that we've just been brushing it off, like oh,
Speaker 1: now Nathan's with Haley and there's just like, oh, they
Speaker 1: just flipped the switch and its friend zone now for
Speaker 1: Peyton and Nathan is really silly and basically impossible for
Speaker 1: teenagers to do. So I loved seeing the two of
Speaker 1: them acknowledging that there were still feelings that they still
Speaker 1: you know and not so with so many words, but
Speaker 1: they were still I still felt the chemistry between them,
Speaker 1: and that it would be easy to fall back into
Speaker 1: into each other, but that they were both really good
Speaker 1: people with good consciences, and they're like, we're not that's
Speaker 1: not where we are. We're not going to do that,
Speaker 1: you know, We're gonna We're gonna really hold the line
Speaker 1: with this friendship. Yeah, saying the hard things out loud.
Speaker 1: I liked that it wasn't just a they took it
Speaker 1: a step farther, which is something I think we're not
Speaker 1: accustomed to. Um. Not only did these people lean into
Speaker 1: the tenderness of their friendship, but they also got really
Speaker 1: vulnerable about the things that so many young people are
Speaker 1: self conscious about, like we did used to do this,
Speaker 1: and and and it was nice, and I had feelings
Speaker 1: for you, and I'm trying to figure out what this
Speaker 1: new context is. And even for him to admit, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I might have been flirting with you and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know how to talk to you.
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, you're dummy, like and they laugh
Speaker 1: about it. It's it. It gives these kids permission to
Speaker 1: find each other in a new way and to have
Speaker 1: a genuine friendship, not a pretend one. And I think
Speaker 1: that's really for all the things that we say, yikes,
Speaker 1: we modeled a bad thing here, I'm like, that's actually
Speaker 1: we modeled a lot of really good things. Stuff the
Speaker 1: Franknessy Larry do the exact same thing with Karen Payton
Speaker 1: and Nathan We're doing where it's like I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say the thing that needs to be said. And when
Speaker 1: he brings up Keith, and he's like, Keith is a
Speaker 1: good guy and you've got history, and I hope I
Speaker 1: didn't make it bad for you, Like on a first date.
Speaker 1: That could be a weird thing to say, and instead
Speaker 1: it comes off as like I care about what's going
Speaker 1: on in your world. I hope that it's not an obstacle,
Speaker 1: but if it is, I respect you enough to acknowledge.
Speaker 1: You know, I loved that. Yeah, just say the awkward
Speaker 1: thing out loud. You'll feel better say it. Say it.
Speaker 1: It's hard to nice thing to do, but just say it.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some behind the scenes stuff
Speaker 1: like the Boy Toy a. We had a conversation while
Speaker 1: we were watching the episode about why they never built
Speaker 1: a gym, Like all nine seasons we never built a gym.
Speaker 1: But also I want to talk about how uncomfortable James
Speaker 1: was at the Boy Toy auction. And I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the water balloon fight. Okay, so yeah, Hilary,
Speaker 1: you've got the inside scoop on the gym. So the
Speaker 1: gym situation. This was a constant struggle because because we
Speaker 1: were shooting in a real gym. It meant that we
Speaker 1: had to film Sunday through Thursday, which was drove to
Speaker 1: burgh Off for that most of the time. Right was Lany, No,
Speaker 1: Laney was up seventeen. That was but it was a hump.
Speaker 1: We had a perfectly good high school in town, um,
Speaker 1: New Hanover High School, which is in the middle of
Speaker 1: all of our characters houses. Um, but we went up
Speaker 1: to Laney because that was Michael Jordan's high school and
Speaker 1: I think the allure of shooting and yeah, like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because none of us were and Nathan picked Michael Jordan's
Speaker 1: number to be his number. It was a whole thing. Um,
Speaker 1: So we sport, yeah, sports. We shot in that gym,
Speaker 1: and it was bad for the crew because they're not
Speaker 1: seeing their families. You know, we're dealing with an Ayazi
Speaker 1: strike potentially, because crews work eighteen hour days and they
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's divorced and no one has relationships with
Speaker 1: their children and that's not right. So them having to
Speaker 1: work on Sundays was really gross. What we got out
Speaker 1: of it is that a lot of them brought their
Speaker 1: kids to set on Sundays, which lovely. You know, they
Speaker 1: come in their little boy scout uniforms and you know,
Speaker 1: little league football uniforms. And it became an issue in
Speaker 1: like season two where it was like, we've got totally
Speaker 1: empty stages, why don't we build a gym? Why don't
Speaker 1: we build a gym? And it was because the authority
Speaker 1: figures on our show, and I agree with them on this,
Speaker 1: realized that if we built it on a set and
Speaker 1: it became something that could be moved the way any
Speaker 1: of our bedrooms or any of the interior houses could
Speaker 1: be moved, you just pack up the flats on a
Speaker 1: truck and you could take it anywhere. It was when
Speaker 1: Georgia was getting a really strong tax incentive, and it
Speaker 1: was when South Carolina was getting a really strong tax incentive.
Speaker 1: And so by not building a gym, it forced us
Speaker 1: to stay in Wilmington, and it became an anchor that
Speaker 1: secured the location for the crew. So it was a
Speaker 1: it was a thoughtful decision, and I agree with it.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you just got to play the game, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like l A's like where's cheap? Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: where can we get the most money? And it took
Speaker 1: you know, the producers who were actually on the ground
Speaker 1: in town to be like, no, sorry, guys, we've got
Speaker 1: this gym. We can never leave. I love it. That's great,
Speaker 1: all right, next up? Who's next? Up? You the balloon fight,
Speaker 1: the water balloon fight, So tell us about it. It
Speaker 1: was creezing, it was very cold that night. It was
Speaker 1: very cold. The water balloons wouldn't break. What so this
Speaker 1: and there was one in particular is the first shot,
Speaker 1: which was I was had my back turned and Lucas
Speaker 1: grabs water balloon and throws it at me and it's
Speaker 1: yours up and it hit my shoulder and we I
Speaker 1: was hit in the back of the head at that
Speaker 1: water balloon. Times they didn't pat you no what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I was like, it's a water balloon whatever, Like
Speaker 1: who cares the water balloon? You know, you could hit like, okay,
Speaker 1: ten times we gotta do the water balloon thing. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't break. Sometimes Chad would miss so it would hit
Speaker 1: my head instead of my shoulder or you know whatever.
Speaker 1: But they just couldn't figure it out. And it was
Speaker 1: the strangest thing because, uh, you know a few times
Speaker 1: it's like fine, but after a while, you really just
Speaker 1: it's hard to separate acting from real life, and he
Speaker 1: just started to feel like I was getting beaten up
Speaker 1: on like I was. It was I was back in
Speaker 1: sixth grade again, you know, with the kids, Like did
Speaker 1: you feel like they were playing a trick on you
Speaker 1: with like these aren't real water balloons? I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know. It just felt like can't what can we
Speaker 1: Why can we not figure this out? Why do I
Speaker 1: have to just keep getting hit over and over over
Speaker 1: and over again, and like, yeah, it's just really it
Speaker 1: actually made me cry. I got really emotional. I had
Speaker 1: to walk away. I was like, because it it wasn't
Speaker 1: about it. It wasn't painful. It was I mean, it
Speaker 1: was water balloon, It wasn't painful. It was the fact
Speaker 1: that I was just I had just had to stand
Speaker 1: there and take it, and just take the hit over
Speaker 1: and over in front of people. You know. It's not
Speaker 1: fun to be the one that's like, is everyone laughing
Speaker 1: at me? Yeah? Yeah, And it wasn't and nobody was.
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody was laughing at me. I think it
Speaker 1: was more just that I I don't know, I I
Speaker 1: don't know whatever I said at all. I just I
Speaker 1: just it was it was very difficult and exhausting, and um,
Speaker 1: that was that was a hard moment. I always think
Speaker 1: of that damn water balloon fight all the time. Whenever.
Speaker 1: Whenever I think of it all the time, I'm like
Speaker 1: water balloon, a damn water balloon where they just broke
Speaker 1: me down. It was like they just took me right
Speaker 1: back to sixth grade. It really really bugged me. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we finally got it. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they had to do, like maybe poke a hole in
Speaker 1: it in advance or something like that, but we finally
Speaker 1: got it. I walked away. I had to cry. I
Speaker 1: didn't let anybody know I was emotional, you know, of
Speaker 1: course not. And then I came up, I still thinking
Speaker 1: my eye sorry, it's cold out here. So that was
Speaker 1: the one thing. I'm glad that that's over now and
Speaker 1: I don't have to watch it over again. But James,
Speaker 1: I remember during this boy toy auction, so we got
Speaker 1: the script, We're like, oh my gosh, they're doing a
Speaker 1: boytoy action. Hilarious, and we all felt a little weird
Speaker 1: about it. And as we talked about them, I just
Speaker 1: why would high schoolers do this? I don't get it done,
Speaker 1: But I just remembered James. You know, they had to
Speaker 1: paint like they were painting boy toy on his chest
Speaker 1: in the makeup trailer, and he had this jersey and
Speaker 1: he was to their credit, to his credit at all,
Speaker 1: all of those boys, they committed a hundred percent. But
Speaker 1: I just remember James being so like, it's so dumb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to take my shirt off. Guys, Brett
Speaker 1: was all about taking his shirt off. I'm a smoke show.
Speaker 1: I'm amazing. Yeah. Brett had so much fun with it
Speaker 1: and was so funny. Oh my god, him in the
Speaker 1: man panties. But he was also ten years older than James,
Speaker 1: you know, like James never been naked in front of
Speaker 1: a girl before. We don't know. He was like he
Speaker 1: was only eighteen. They're like, come on, guy. He really
Speaker 1: went great. He plays cocky so well though you wouldn't
Speaker 1: know he does. Yeah, he came out on that stage
Speaker 1: with so much confidence, which is so wild to watch,
Speaker 1: given that we were all in the makeup trailer being like, no, dude,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be great. It's okay, it's you look great. No, really,
Speaker 1: this is it's gonna be so funny. We were, you know,
Speaker 1: just trying to like encourage him, and then you see
Speaker 1: Nathan just being like, yeah, I get this, and it's
Speaker 1: so opposite and it's just so sweet. Maybe he cried
Speaker 1: to right like he did. I can't remember. I can't
Speaker 1: believe we forgot to ask Moira about this. But how
Speaker 1: fun was it to see, after Karen revealing to Brook
Speaker 1: that she was once the captain of the tree Hill Ravens,
Speaker 1: to see Moira doing Ravens cheers while Larry's digging up
Speaker 1: the time capsule. I loved. That was so fine. She
Speaker 1: didn't have any problems learning her routine like we did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder how many days moy were got,
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, should we spin the wheel? Do we want
Speaker 1: to do wheel? We should spin a wheel. Let's spin
Speaker 1: a wheel. Most likely to be an employee at Tree
Speaker 1: Hill High as an adult who wasn't well, I mean,
Speaker 1: Haley was. Antoine wanted this, Remember he said, skills as
Speaker 1: the coach of the basketball team, and yeah, Haley's for
Speaker 1: sure the principal unless she's on tour. Did Luke become
Speaker 1: a coach or something? Did he? Yeah? He and Antoine
Speaker 1: were coaching together for a minute there, because remember Lindsay
Speaker 1: came to the basketball game. Yeah, it was the whole thing. Guys,
Speaker 1: Remember we got trapped in the library, right, you know what?
Speaker 1: This actually leads us into Holly's question, which is pretty
Speaker 1: great because she asked, if you guys didn't watch the
Speaker 1: show at the time, how did you know what was
Speaker 1: going on with the characters? Did you read the whole script?
Speaker 1: Did you do table reads or did you just chat
Speaker 1: with the other actors about their storylines? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: imagine if we'd had the resources to have table reads,
Speaker 1: table reads, that luxury, that would have been amazing. I
Speaker 1: read the whole script, I'm saying, yeah, yeah, Because we're professionals,
Speaker 1: Holly were, we are well, And it's also really important,
Speaker 1: you know, I will say, on a show like our
Speaker 1: is a big ensemble like this, even in the things
Speaker 1: we're talking about for this episode, these parallel paths of
Speaker 1: um Haley and Lucas Peyton and Nathan brooken Mouth. If
Speaker 1: you don't read the whole script, you miss that all
Speaker 1: of your characters in their separate scenes are doing versions
Speaker 1: of the same thing. You missed the themes. If if
Speaker 1: you don't read all of it, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: also somebody else might be talking about your character and
Speaker 1: giving information that you don't yeah to say, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: like to have answers. We are ladies who like to
Speaker 1: have answers. So we read the whole script. Who they kissing?
Speaker 1: I want to know? What are they doing over there? Awesome?
Speaker 1: Well this was such a good like it? What's next week?
Speaker 1: What do we got? Next episode is episode nineteen? Guys,
Speaker 1: nineteen episodes? How can you be sure? Dunt? Dune down? Don't?
Speaker 1: And that that's where we get into from going from
Speaker 1: trying to advocate to having to not judge your character.
Speaker 1: Joy's right, you can't do that. You gotta lean in.
Speaker 1: Oh man, we're gonna get messy next week. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to get messy with you. Guys. I love you
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