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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: But you're tough, girl. You can sit with us. Girl Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn MC, Queen's Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queen's Hey, guys, welcome to episode eighteen to wish impossible things.

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Speaker 1: There's a rule. We all have to kiss at midnight.

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Speaker 1: Everybody kisses out right at midnight. We're kissing right now

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Speaker 1: via Zoe look at us. This aired April two thousand four. Synopsis.

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Speaker 1: It's like the boy Toy Auction. People talk about this

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Speaker 1: every convention we go to. It is a fan favorite.

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Speaker 1: Lucas Nathan and Sweet Sweet Jake are auctioned off to

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Speaker 1: the highest bidders and the annual Boy Toy Charity Auction,

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Speaker 1: and the night leads to surprising developments with old Flames. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: me and gives him the night of his life. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I just have to say it's really sweet, sweet, poetic

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Speaker 1: justice that the person who sells for the most money

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Speaker 1: at the boy Toy auction is Marvin McFadden. God blessed

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Speaker 1: two deserves. Did you guys ever have anything like this

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Speaker 1: in your real high school to all girls squad and

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Speaker 1: I mean I think, like, obviously if this was girls,

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Speaker 1: Come on, they set those two giant round candles right

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Speaker 1: we still feel like high schoolers deep down. Well, how

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Speaker 1: what I love. I talked to Paul a lot about directing,

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Speaker 1: and you know, one of his favorite quotes is directing

428
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: his quality control. That's really what it is, its quality control.

429
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: And I agree because if every if you trust everyone

430
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: in their departments to do what they're doing, you just

431
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: are there to sort of steer the ship a little bit.

432
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: But you can trust that everyone's doing what they're doing.

433
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: But that's what's great about having a director like you,

434
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,479
Speaker 1: with such a strong instinct and knowing how to just

435
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: come in and just give a little tweak, a little

436
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: note here and there. You can feel, especially because you're

437
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: an actor and you're such a sensitive artist, that you can, uh,

438
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: you can feel where the emotion of this, where the

439
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: music is in the scene emotionally and and take us

440
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: on that journey. Um. And I always felt that was sorry,

441
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: my dogs are barking, but I always felt that we

442
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: feel like a strong suit of yours. Now, Bethany, you

443
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: directed as well, right I did? Yeah, Yeah, everyone's calling

444
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: me Joy. Don't worry. I was confusing, but just call

445
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: me what you always did. It's okay. It's like a

446
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: secret code. Tell me about your experiences. Yeah, I loved directing.

447
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: I mean that was I think as I had directed

448
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: theater a lot when I was as I was growing

449
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: growing up, you know, in the high school productions and

450
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: some stuff outside of that, and I also had been

451
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: on sets for a long time, especially doing the soap opera.

452
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: Did you ever do a soap Moira? No? I mean

453
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: you're you're on a set, it's every single day, and

454
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: it's all day, and there's just so many, you know,

455
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: pages and pages of dialogue and you have to get

456
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: used to finding the rhythms really quickly. Um so. I

457
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: think that really helped me be able to especially in TV.

458
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: It's not with film. You have more time to rehearse

459
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: and you have time to practice something and shooting one

460
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: scene all day long. With TV, you got to find

461
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: the movement. Um Another quote I remember hearing from a

462
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: director on our set was find the music. He would

463
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: say that to the a camera operators, like, move with

464
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: the field of music inside of you, of what's happening emotionally,

465
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: the metaphorical music of um so. I think being a

466
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: musician really helped with that. Having an experience on on

467
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: the soap and doing our show for I think six

468
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: years before I directed an episode really helps that. So

469
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: if you directed to right, yeah, yeah, the last three

470
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: seasons and I think I agree with Joy. You know,

471
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: having this sort of um, the container and the rhythm

472
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: of our show was incredible. It was an incredible first

473
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: foray into that. For me, you know, growing up working

474
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: for my dad and being in a photo studio, it

475
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: was the visuals. It was all the camera stuff that

476
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: made the most sense to me. Um and so Peter Kowalski,

477
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, who became our DP. We had such a rhythm.

478
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: We had such a blast working together whenever I was directing.

479
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: And then yeah, the quality control, the hurting cats of

480
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: like figuring out the cast like god, directing parties at Trick,

481
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: I was like, how do people do that? Where is everybody?

482
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: You know? But it's it's such an amazing experience because

483
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: it does teach you truly how many moving parts there are.

484
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: And and I think you know, something that we all

485
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: have spoken so much about on this podcast is feeling

486
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: the way that you just referenced Moira, that we just

487
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: we really right or die for our crew, And man

488
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: if I wasn't already so obsessed with the people who

489
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: make a show happen. Directing, I was like, everybody should

490
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: be paid more. Everybody deserves cookies, better food, Like what's

491
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: going on? You know, because you're just the honey wagon

492
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: together everybody like you realize that it's just it's such

493
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: a labor of love. I I do think we're all

494
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: so so lucky. And it gives it gives you a

495
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: whole other understanding. It's a funny puzzle piece too. You're

496
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: putting together a puzzle looking for how what's not something

497
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: not making sense? Why doesn't it make sense? I know

498
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: why it doesn't make sense this little piece, do this,

499
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: I think that, and then we'll see it in your

500
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: in your character's eyes, and then it's like the whole

501
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: scene comes together. It's just so fun piecing a puzzle

502
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: together like that. Yeah, it's nice to get your feet

503
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: with it on something that you're comfortable with. Two. I mean,

504
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: having been on the show for another seasons, you really

505
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: get a feel for the locations for the characters, so

506
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, it makes a little easier than for you

507
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: to come in. And what I found exciting was find

508
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: a new way to show something that's been seen so

509
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: many times, you know, just you know, inject something a

510
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: little different into an actor playing at character and see

511
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: if they'll take it someplace else, you know, discover the

512
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: layers that are there that haven't you been exposed, which

513
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: is so exciting. If you could have done anything different

514
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: with our show as the experienced female actress on set,

515
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: what would you have done different with One Tree Hill?

516
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: Was there anything that stood out to you? Um? I

517
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: will say it didn't stand up at the time because

518
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: again I having a small family and just looking at

519
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: my work on that really as a nine to five

520
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: Like usually when I work on a project, I would

521
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: love hanging out with a crew on the weekend, hang

522
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: out with actors, go out to dinner, do you know,

523
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: go to all the parties. I was in a different

524
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: place in my life and you know, hearing honestly what

525
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: all of you young women had to go through. UM,

526
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to get choked up. If I could

527
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: go back, UM, I would have made my presence stronger there.

528
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: And I felt like, you know, being somewhat of a veteran,

529
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: you were also very young coming into this situation. There's

530
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: a part of me that feels like I let you

531
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: all down. My God, no, no, no, no, no, I know,

532
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: I know, it's just my own it's but if if

533
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: I had been more present, I would have been more

534
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: aware maybe of what was going on. I surely would

535
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: have said something. I surely would have done something. And

536
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: so if I could do anything, go back and do

537
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: anything different, I would make my presence so solid on

538
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: that show, and I would have made myself so available

539
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: to all of you. You were, you were more. This

540
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: is the first time I've seen you since I left

541
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: the show, and I wanted to tell you this for

542
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 1: years and years and years, But in the last episode

543
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: of the show, everyone in my world was telling me,

544
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: you can't leave, you can't leave. You know. I didn't

545
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: direct because I didn't want to be on set all

546
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: day because it was so bad. And I was in

547
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: my hospital gown, sitting in the lobby of the hospital

548
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: because Peyton was like strapped to a table. And you

549
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: came and you sat next to me, and you started

550
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: off by just joking and you were like, you know,

551
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: what's going on? And I was like, I don't know

552
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: what to do, and you said run and like you

553
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: said you you like started it off with a joke,

554
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: and I was like yeah, and you were like you.

555
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: You said to me, he said, there's so many chapters

556
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: in life, and this is just one. This is just one.

557
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: And you were the only person that gave me permission

558
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: to go. But I so valued your opinion of me

559
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: and of our business and and the way you prioritize

560
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: your family over work, and that's what I wanted. Like,

561
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: what you had is what I wanted. So you didn't

562
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: have to say anything because you lived it and we

563
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: could just like see it. Um. So I hope I

564
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: get to see you in person and like actually hug you.

565
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: But I have wanted to thank you for that, honestly

566
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: since I was twenty six years old and I'm not

567
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: even close anymore. It's been a lot of years. But

568
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: you did that, Like you just set such a positive

569
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: example for us, and you were safe. You didn't have

570
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: to put any extra effort into it. Yeah. And and Mara,

571
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: I have to say as well, it's such a double

572
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: standard for women and so deeply unfair that that responsibility

573
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: should have even energetically fallen on your shoulders. None of

574
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: us are supposed to go to work and deal with it,

575
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: and and you were not supposed to have to give

576
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: up time with your infants to come and use yourself

577
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: as a shield for your coworkers. It's wrong. It's just wrong,

578
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: and manage the chaos. You inspired us exactly in the

579
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: way that Hillary is saying when you would when you

580
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: would say exactly the right thing in the moment that

581
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: everyone needed to hear it. And you did that a lot.

582
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: When when we got to see you, know, you and

583
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: your husband and your kids. I mean, I swear to God,

584
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: I think it's the reason we were all trying to

585
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: settle down so early. We were like, we just want

586
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: to grow up and be like Mora, like if we

587
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: all get married right away. We we we looked up

588
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: to you, and you you set an example by being

589
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: and and it's a profound um it's a very profound

590
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: influence and and it was a gift for us from

591
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: from the really committed and classy way you show up

592
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: to work to the way that you showed us it

593
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: was possible to to do this job and after and

594
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: be a producer and be a director and be a mom.

595
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: You proved it, and so we're just still deeply obsessed

596
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: with you. Was really the point. If you're ever hanging

597
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: out on your trailer stairs, we're gonna come by and lurk.

598
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: We all have to get together and do something because

599
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: even see you, I just want to hug you all.

600
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I appreciate that. I'm glad that

601
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: that came through. I think it's really important for all

602
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: of us to be the strongest, best examples we can

603
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: for the people in our world, you know, everyone around us, UM,

604
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: and we do that through our actions and through our

605
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: words and UM. You know, sometimes we don't realize how

606
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: we affect other people. I'm very grateful to hear that

607
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: it was all coming through and it was all positive

608
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: and wonderful for all of you. Yes it was. I

609
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: still think about that when I'm on sets and when

610
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: i'm you know, thinking about prioritizing my time with my daughter. UM.

611
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: There was a permission that you gave me and all

612
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: of us, UM to be able to have boundaries. Still

613
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: show up and do your job, but UM, have a

614
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: boundary for yourself taking care of yourself. That is, you

615
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: lead by example, and it it's so valuable. I truly,

616
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: truly still have images of you sitting in your chair

617
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: working on your material, totally available and open. It's not

618
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: you would ever disappear and go hide away. You are

619
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: always present, but you you had an air about you

620
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: that was um so warm and inviting, but you still

621
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: had boundaries about your work in your own self care.

622
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: And and those images come to mind on days when

623
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: I'm on sets and I think like I'm giving more

624
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: than I need to right now, I'm I've done my job.

625
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: It's okay for me to save some for me and

626
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: for my daughters. Yeah, and you have not to claim

627
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: it because they're not going to give it to you.

628
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: You know, you really do have to claim it and

629
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: then be okay with that. You have every right. Yeah,

630
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: and have your kids ever watched the show? No, believe

631
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: it or not. That's good, that's I think. The only

632
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: thing they've watched that I've ever done was um, The

633
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: Lion King. My kids, I am still you know, my

634
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: son is actually going into film. He wants to be

635
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: a cinematographer. Really. Yeah, So we talk a lot, we

636
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: go to movies a lot, and then we do we

637
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: kind of do a mom' son movie night, and then

638
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: we discuss where does he want to do to school?

639
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: He's looking at m y U. Yeah, younger's crossed, but yeah,

640
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: to me I've I've you know, I've always just maintained

641
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: the mom's status. You know. Um, they're proud of my work,

642
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, even though they haven't seen it, they're proud

643
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: of what I do. They're very supportive. But UM, I'm

644
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: okay with them not being interested in seeing it. They

645
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: had a lot of friends. You're not going to make

646
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: them sit down, and um, they would come over to

647
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: the house and they'd come into the kitchen, and I

648
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: had so many moments of these kids just stopping in

649
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: their tracks and going your mom's terror. So I had

650
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: a lot of your friends like really tongue tied and

651
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: then coming over a lot they're like, oh, we just

652
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: want to stop by and sayid and talking about different

653
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: episodes and different characters. You know, what's so interesting about

654
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: the show is that it really is somewhat timeless, you know,

655
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: especially when I think about that episode. Um, uh to

656
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: wish the impossible dream? Isn't that Whether it is or yeah,

657
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: that's it? Um. You know we all have when we're young.

658
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: We have these dreams and asked rations and places we

659
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: want to go. Um. I think I said a little earlier.

660
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: And even though we grow up, we make mistakes. Things

661
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: do change. Um, the the effervescence of those passions and

662
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: ideas and those dreams are still there, and they're very universal. Um,

663
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: even as you get older, you know, like um, Karen

664
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: can go and and and dig up that time capsule

665
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: and everything in there is so outdated. But the joy

666
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: of what that was and the reality of coming from

667
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: that place to where she was, that's the point, you know,

668
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: and I think that that's timeless and and quite universal. Um.

669
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: It really comes down to relationships. You know. The dreams

670
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: we have, the things we aspire to can only really

671
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: succes need when we are genuinely and sincerely in relationship

672
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: with others. And that's shown in that episode Across the Board,

673
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: I mean Hillary with you and um, can I think

674
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: of his name now, James. You know you had a history,

675
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: but there you were together being able to be honest

676
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: and sincere with each other. UM. Joy with you and

677
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: Lucas it was a past you know that you had.

678
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: That was a bond that is unbreakable. And then for you, Sophie,

679
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: Sophia with a mouth boyd door absolutely love him. You're

680
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: both from two entirely different worlds, and yet the sincerity

681
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: and honesty of what happens in that night. That's what

682
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: that's what you carry on into the future. That that's

683
00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: what fuels those dreams and those aspirations. You know. Um.

684
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: We even got to see Whitey in this episode. I

685
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: mean to see Whitey have fun because he loves that school.

686
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: It's like that in the community, the relationship there for

687
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: him to see the joy was fun. And to know

688
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: that it's multigenerational. Yeah, and to know that, you know,

689
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: things change, your dreams change, your goals change, things change.

690
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: But those those bonds that you make, those moments that

691
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: you share that are genuine and of the heart and honest, that's,

692
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, the tapestry of life. That's what you build

693
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: your future on and that's what helps you find that

694
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: way forward, um and gives you strength. It's what Hailey's

695
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: tattoo was. She's like, if I can just remember this

696
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: feeling forever, it's that's your time capsule. Do you have

697
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: a t Do you have a time capsule tattoo? Me?

698
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: I too. I've got a little crescent men on my

699
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: right angle that I got when I met my husband

700
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: because I just remember your husband biking all over Wilmington's

701
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: my little cycler um and then before I went off

702
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: to London, my daughter and I each got butterflies on

703
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: our left. Thing. You just that's so good you Wow. Wait, Moira,

704
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: we would be remiss not to talk about London a

705
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: little bit because you are coming out with a massive

706
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: series Citadel is you and oh my god, Stanley Tucci,

707
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: we love him, Prianka Chopper, Richard Madden, I mean, what

708
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 1: a what a team? Can you tell us a little

709
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: bit about this and tell the folks at home when

710
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: it's coming so so we can all be ready. The

711
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: only thing I can tell you is it is called Citadel.

712
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: It's on Amazon um. The first season should be released

713
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: in November, so long. Yeah when it's the biggest groundbreaking

714
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: television experience. They've never they've never done anything quite like this.

715
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: But that's all I can tell you. We all exciting.

716
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: I thought Game of Thrones did that. I thought West

717
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: World did that? What are we going to see that's

718
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: bigger than that? I'm so excited. It's it's pretty, it's

719
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. It blew my mind once I was finally

720
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: allowed to hear the overall scale, because we were left

721
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: in the dark for quite a while with it just

722
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: because they didn't want information getting out. But the week

723
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: I was wrapping, the doucer sat me down and told

724
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: me the entire scale of it. You didn't know until

725
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: you were wrapping m Now we were all really kept

726
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: in the dark. You only really knew what you're what

727
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: you were expected to. Now, only Moira Kelly can take

728
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: twelve years off and come back to the business. You

729
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: did the biggest show in the history of television. It

730
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: feels right, That feels right. I love it, Moira. Will

731
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: you come back for the episode that you directed? Will

732
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: you come back? We love that. I really would love that,

733
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: and I love the girlcy. This represents what I was

734
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: talking about. The three of you have made a bond

735
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: over the years, and to see the three of you

736
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: together working together on this podcast, still sharing your lives

737
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: is it just gives me great joy. Me me. What

738
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: you have built in in working on One Tree Hill

739
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: together goes beyond one Tree Hill and we'll carry you

740
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: very far. Stay close to each other, stay strong for

741
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: each other, um because it's a beautiful thing. It's an

742
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: absolute beautiful thing. Thank you, Moira, We love you, love

743
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: you so much. Now stay safe out there. Okay, okay,

744
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: tell your son to get up here to New York

745
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: so you and I can just brunch while he's in school.

746
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: When you come ups, It's so good to see you, Moira.

747
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thank you for everything. Thank you. Hi.

748
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: Oh my good guys. Everyone's just crying. I'm gonna need

749
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: a minute. Wow. I love her so much. She was

750
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: such a constant, steady presence. I mean, I meant every

751
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: word that I said. She really gave us permission to

752
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: um be everything that we needed to be and also

753
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: take care of ourselves, which I didn't know how valuable

754
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: that was. I didn't know I was learning that lesson

755
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: until now, Like until I've been older with a child

756
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: on sets, and I'm suddenly remembering, Wait, it's okay for

757
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: me to just sit here and read a book or

758
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: work on my script and not have to make sure

759
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: everybody likes me, walk around making sure everybody's like I'm

760
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: talking to everyone and doing it. It's okay, Like I

761
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: can just be here and be available, but take my

762
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: Because I remember Moira just sitting there and doing that.

763
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: It was such a beautiful permission. M hmmm. It's so

764
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: the pressure of like, um wanting to say thank you,

765
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: to someone for so long, like she's just so easy,

766
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: she's so cool, and that that makes you want to

767
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: say it even louder, you know, it's just like, oh

768
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: my god, you don't know that you saved my life. Yeah,

769
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: I don't know why would have happened to me if

770
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: I had stayed. You know, Hillary, I met my husband,

771
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: I got my son exists because Moira Kelly told me

772
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: to run, you know, and so I did. And um,

773
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: I just think about how different my life would be

774
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: if she wasn't that one person to give me permission

775
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: to just go because she had it. We we all

776
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: were little, and to us it was like you can't go,

777
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean? This? This is our place?

778
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: It was like this is our this is ours And

779
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: and for her it feels like her being able to

780
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: see through really what was just a container a chapter

781
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: and and and give you the kind of advice that

782
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: she modeled and what joy is talking about just taking

783
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: permission to do what you need that that's okay. It

784
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: It was a lesson that no one else in that container,

785
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: in that world that we shared was teaching us. Everyone

786
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: else was saying what more can you give? What more

787
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: can you do? How can you how can you give

788
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: more of yourself to this? And and it's revolutionary for

789
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: a person to say, what do you need? Yeah, it's

790
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: so special. She's just such a class act. And you know,

791
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: we that was the kind of the strange magic of

792
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: our show is that we had a lot of tachie

793
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: in our show. I mean, we've got strip clubs in

794
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: this show, going to the club. We've got boy toy

795
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: auction with like kisses at midnight, which doesn't make any sense,

796
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, And then it's it's countered by this total

797
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: classy woman and and you know, like really earnest moments

798
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: in some of these relationships of the duality. Maybe that's

799
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: the magic. Maybe that's what makes the fans like buy

800
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: in because it's not too schmaltzy and it's not too perverted.

801
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: It's just the right amount of schmaltz purv. Is that

802
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: a term like schmaltzperv fresh out of flesh? Oh my god,

803
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: what I loved in the moments watching especially this budding

804
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: relationship with Karen and Larry and and the whole thing.

805
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: I didn't see it then, but watching this episode with

806
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: you guys today, I was like, oh man, the parents

807
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: are just people trying to figure out what they're doing.

808
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: People don't have the answers. Nobody ever has the end, Like,

809
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: nobody ever gets it all figured out. And when we

810
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: were young, we thought, well, eventually we'll be grown ups

811
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: and we'll have it all figured out. And and they

812
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: just so beautifully and so vulnerably. We're like, we don't

813
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: know either, We're just testing the waters. Well, and Karen

814
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: gets put in the biggest pickle ever in this episode.

815
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: We all Joe dropped at She's got one dude kissing

816
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: her in the kitchen and then another dude on the

817
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: front porch for the ring with the ring literally one

818
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: guy leaves out the back door in the front door

819
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: bell rings and for her, and she gets proposed to well,

820
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: they're turning it up to eleven. There were some big moments.

821
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 1: Brooks big announcement at the end of this episode which

822
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: I thought for me. She says that to him when

823
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: she says I might be pregnant, it has to be

824
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: real and she has to be terrified, and and so

825
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: that that was the choice I made for her. But

826
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: I know it was a bit of a it was

827
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: a bit of a fight, and I appreciated when we

828
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: were having it, Hillary was in my corner being like, yeah,

829
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: that is up, and I was like, thank you, we

830
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: like you were upset. It just felt because it did it.

831
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: It felt a responsibility to set a good example. I

832
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: think that part of it. You know how many young

833
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: girls were watching this show, and how many girls related

834
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: to Brooke, and you know, we're learning to look up

835
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: to the different aspects of all of our personalities and journeys.

836
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: So I felt that responsibility well, and Brooke had become

837
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: so beloved at that point that for anyone who was

838
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: like I want to be you know, I'm team Brooke.

839
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: You never want anyone emulating behavior like that. You know what.

840
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't a model the bad behavior. I wanted to

841
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: have a conversation about the the hardship that happens to

842
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: a lot of young women. So great episode. You had

843
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: such a sweet I'm a little girl who's got the

844
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: so sweet. I think also we know the medium that

845
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: we were in with that show, and the network and

846
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: the sort of space, and how much we could trust

847
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: the writers to or not trust them to handle. You know,

848
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: if we're talking about if we're talking about different material

849
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: and maybe a different I don't know the network at

850
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: the time, or you know, just a different space, different medium. Um.

851
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: Having a character who is using the words I'm pregnant

852
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: as a manipulation. UM, I have no judgment on that

853
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: as an actor, because you know, you could trust that

854
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: there are places where you could trust the writers to

855
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: actually take the audience on a journey with that character

856
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: to understanding why that was not the right thing to do.

857
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: You know, how what does she learn about her life

858
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: when she says something like that, How that affects people? Um,

859
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: you know that's a journey that I'm interested in because

860
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: I have no judgment on the behavior, as much as

861
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: I just would like to see the journey to redemption

862
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: from that bad choice. But in our medium, in our show,

863
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: as we've seen we were talking about last time, we

864
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: blow through storyline so quickly, we don't time right. There

865
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of tender, loving care to watching someone

866
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: make a bad decision and seeing how it affected them

867
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: and everyone else around them and then bringing it back

868
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: around to redemption. We didn't have a proof that was

869
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: going to happen, So I get why you were fighting

870
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: for Brooke right then. The proof is this episode where

871
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: we never went to court. Never was so crazy And

872
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: by the way, Joy, you know, I don't want to

873
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: give away what happens in the next episode. But I

874
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: still didn't win the fight. There still is they stilled

875
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: into her having the information before and and then weaponizing

876
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: the information. So I only I only, I only was

877
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: fifty heard. And it is interesting because it is the cliffhanger.

878
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: So it's the only reason it goes past one episode

879
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: because normally we don't really see I will never I

880
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: will never get over the casual. Yeah, I'm emancipated. I

881
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: got an apartment, Like how long did this take? When

882
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: did they go to court? Where was the fight? Who said?

883
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: Where did he get the money to pay first and

884
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: last month's rent? Like what? There's just an apartment that

885
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: looks like a set from Dexter. Of course, things like

886
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Kill me in here? Like what?

887
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, just needed less parents in a show

888
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: where there were only like parents. They're like, how can

889
00:53:53,960 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: you remaining percentage? Get it half an episode? We're gonna

890
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: put him in an apartment and all the adults behaving

891
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: badly too, I mean, Whitey with booze in his desk,

892
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: can you imagine it's so illegal. Can you imagine? Is

893
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: it illegal in a high school? In a high school,

894
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: it is. It's such a common thing. Like, oh, the

895
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: teacher with the bourbon in the desk, where does that

896
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: come from? Because they don't pay teachers enough. If you

897
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: have maybe right, that's it. I'm going to go out

898
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: and be the voice of descent here and say you

899
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: can have as many bottles of bourbon in your desk

900
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: as you want until they pay you and then hey,

901
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm down power through um heartbreaking quote from Brooken this

902
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: girls just want someone who wants them back. I don't

903
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: know if it's just girls or if everybody wants that,

904
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: but that is definitely that's definitely true. And that hit

905
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: home for me. It did for me too, And and

906
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: something I loved about it the the representation of really tender,

907
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: platonic friendships between men and women in this episode being

908
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: willing to be vulnerable about their feelings and their experiences

909
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: Haley and Lucas, Nathan and Peyton Broken Mouth. I liked.

910
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: It felt to me like the representation for Brooke and

911
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: Mouth was really about I get that it looks great

912
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: from the outside, but on the inside it's terrible and

913
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: it it reminded us to to look a little bit

914
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: past the outside of someone and I just loved that

915
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: these people who thought they were so different really shared

916
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: and understanding of each other after that night. Yeah, I

917
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: loved that too. The confession thing is it's a big

918
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: deal for me. I didn't really get to work with

919
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: James and scenes that weren't contentious, and this was the

920
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: first time that we were like being friends and like

921
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: funs with each other. And I've been such a bit

922
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: for the first what episode is this seventeen? I've been

923
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: such a bit for the first you know, fifteen sixteen

924
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: episodes about the sexual lity of all of it. And

925
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: so I finally in this episode get to say to him,

926
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: I haven't been with anybody else, like you're the only

927
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: person that I've been with. And that's a big confession

928
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: because he just assumes that she's off, you know, looking

929
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: up with other dudes. And I think that maybe boys

930
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: assume the girls move faster than they do. You know,

931
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: when I was single in Wilmington's, everybody thought I was

932
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: sleeping with everybody, nobody, like there was nobody. But if

933
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: you're loud and kind of you know, I don't know

934
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 1: out thearismatic people make assumptions. Um. I love seeing that

935
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: Nathan and Peyton were being so there was such a setting,

936
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: a such a good example and being so sort of

937
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: mature about the fact that, I mean, to people who

938
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: have in high school you're sleeping, if you're sleeping together

939
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: with somebody in high school, there's that that bond is

940
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: so strong, those bonding chemicals are so strong. And the

941
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: fact that we've just been brushing it off, like oh,

942
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: now Nathan's with Haley and there's just like, oh, they

943
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: just flipped the switch and its friend zone now for

944
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: Peyton and Nathan is really silly and basically impossible for

945
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: teenagers to do. So I loved seeing the two of

946
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 1: them acknowledging that there were still feelings that they still

947
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: you know and not so with so many words, but

948
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: they were still I still felt the chemistry between them,

949
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: and that it would be easy to fall back into

950
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: into each other, but that they were both really good

951
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: people with good consciences, and they're like, we're not that's

952
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: not where we are. We're not going to do that,

953
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, We're gonna We're gonna really hold the line

954
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: with this friendship. Yeah, saying the hard things out loud.

955
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: I liked that it wasn't just a they took it

956
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: a step farther, which is something I think we're not

957
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 1: accustomed to. Um. Not only did these people lean into

958
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: the tenderness of their friendship, but they also got really

959
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: vulnerable about the things that so many young people are

960
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: self conscious about, like we did used to do this,

961
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: and and and it was nice, and I had feelings

962
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: for you, and I'm trying to figure out what this

963
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: new context is. And even for him to admit, you know,

964
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: I think I might have been flirting with you and

965
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know how to talk to you.

966
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, you're dummy, like and they laugh

967
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: about it. It's it. It gives these kids permission to

968
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: find each other in a new way and to have

969
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: a genuine friendship, not a pretend one. And I think

970
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: that's really for all the things that we say, yikes,

971
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: we modeled a bad thing here, I'm like, that's actually

972
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: we modeled a lot of really good things. Stuff the

973
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: Franknessy Larry do the exact same thing with Karen Payton

974
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: and Nathan We're doing where it's like I'm just gonna

975
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: say the thing that needs to be said. And when

976
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: he brings up Keith, and he's like, Keith is a

977
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: good guy and you've got history, and I hope I

978
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: didn't make it bad for you, Like on a first date.

979
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: That could be a weird thing to say, and instead

980
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: it comes off as like I care about what's going

981
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: on in your world. I hope that it's not an obstacle,

982
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: but if it is, I respect you enough to acknowledge.

983
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: You know, I loved that. Yeah, just say the awkward

984
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: thing out loud. You'll feel better say it. Say it.

985
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: It's hard to nice thing to do, but just say it.

986
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some behind the scenes stuff

987
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: like the Boy Toy a. We had a conversation while

988
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: we were watching the episode about why they never built

989
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: a gym, Like all nine seasons we never built a gym.

990
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: But also I want to talk about how uncomfortable James

991
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: was at the Boy Toy auction. And I want to

992
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: talk about the water balloon fight. Okay, so yeah, Hilary,

993
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: you've got the inside scoop on the gym. So the

994
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: gym situation. This was a constant struggle because because we

995
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: were shooting in a real gym. It meant that we

996
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: had to film Sunday through Thursday, which was drove to

997
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: burgh Off for that most of the time. Right was Lany, No,

998
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: Laney was up seventeen. That was but it was a hump.

999
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: We had a perfectly good high school in town, um,

1000
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: New Hanover High School, which is in the middle of

1001
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: all of our characters houses. Um, but we went up

1002
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: to Laney because that was Michael Jordan's high school and

1003
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: I think the allure of shooting and yeah, like oh yeah,

1004
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: because none of us were and Nathan picked Michael Jordan's

1005
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: number to be his number. It was a whole thing. Um,

1006
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: So we sport, yeah, sports. We shot in that gym,

1007
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: and it was bad for the crew because they're not

1008
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: seeing their families. You know, we're dealing with an Ayazi

1009
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: strike potentially, because crews work eighteen hour days and they

1010
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's divorced and no one has relationships with

1011
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: their children and that's not right. So them having to

1012
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: work on Sundays was really gross. What we got out

1013
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: of it is that a lot of them brought their

1014
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: kids to set on Sundays, which lovely. You know, they

1015
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: come in their little boy scout uniforms and you know,

1016
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: little league football uniforms. And it became an issue in

1017
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: like season two where it was like, we've got totally

1018
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: empty stages, why don't we build a gym? Why don't

1019
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: we build a gym? And it was because the authority

1020
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: figures on our show, and I agree with them on this,

1021
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: realized that if we built it on a set and

1022
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: it became something that could be moved the way any

1023
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: of our bedrooms or any of the interior houses could

1024
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: be moved, you just pack up the flats on a

1025
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: truck and you could take it anywhere. It was when

1026
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: Georgia was getting a really strong tax incentive, and it

1027
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: was when South Carolina was getting a really strong tax incentive.

1028
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: And so by not building a gym, it forced us

1029
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: to stay in Wilmington, and it became an anchor that

1030
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: secured the location for the crew. So it was a

1031
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: it was a thoughtful decision, and I agree with it.

1032
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: And sometimes you just got to play the game, you know,

1033
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: it's like l A's like where's cheap? Yeah, it's like

1034
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: where can we get the most money? And it took

1035
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, the producers who were actually on the ground

1036
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: in town to be like, no, sorry, guys, we've got

1037
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: this gym. We can never leave. I love it. That's great,

1038
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: all right, next up? Who's next? Up? You the balloon fight,

1039
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: the water balloon fight, So tell us about it. It

1040
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: was creezing, it was very cold that night. It was

1041
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: very cold. The water balloons wouldn't break. What so this

1042
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: and there was one in particular is the first shot,

1043
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: which was I was had my back turned and Lucas

1044
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: grabs water balloon and throws it at me and it's

1045
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: yours up and it hit my shoulder and we I

1046
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: was hit in the back of the head at that

1047
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: water balloon. Times they didn't pat you no what I mean,

1048
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: it's I was like, it's a water balloon whatever, Like

1049
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: who cares the water balloon? You know, you could hit like, okay,

1050
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: ten times we gotta do the water balloon thing. It

1051
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't break. Sometimes Chad would miss so it would hit

1052
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: my head instead of my shoulder or you know whatever.

1053
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: But they just couldn't figure it out. And it was

1054
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: the strangest thing because, uh, you know a few times

1055
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: it's like fine, but after a while, you really just

1056
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: it's hard to separate acting from real life, and he

1057
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: just started to feel like I was getting beaten up

1058
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: on like I was. It was I was back in

1059
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: sixth grade again, you know, with the kids, Like did

1060
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: you feel like they were playing a trick on you

1061
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Speaker 1: with like these aren't real water balloons? I guess I

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01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: don't know. It just felt like can't what can we

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01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: Why can we not figure this out? Why do I

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01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: have to just keep getting hit over and over over

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01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: and over again, and like, yeah, it's just really it

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Speaker 1: actually made me cry. I got really emotional. I had

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Speaker 1: to walk away. I was like, because it it wasn't

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Speaker 1: about it. It wasn't painful. It was I mean, it

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Speaker 1: was water balloon, It wasn't painful. It was the fact

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Speaker 1: that I was just I had just had to stand

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Speaker 1: there and take it, and just take the hit over

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Speaker 1: and over in front of people. You know. It's not

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01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: fun to be the one that's like, is everyone laughing

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01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: at me? Yeah? Yeah, And it wasn't and nobody was.

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01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody was laughing at me. I think it

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01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: was more just that I I don't know, I I

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01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: don't know whatever I said at all. I just I

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01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: just it was it was very difficult and exhausting, and um,

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01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: that was that was a hard moment. I always think

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01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: of that damn water balloon fight all the time. Whenever.

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01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: Whenever I think of it all the time, I'm like

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01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: water balloon, a damn water balloon where they just broke

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01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: me down. It was like they just took me right

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01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: back to sixth grade. It really really bugged me. So anyway,

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01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad we finally got it. I don't know what

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01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: they had to do, like maybe poke a hole in

1087
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: it in advance or something like that, but we finally

1088
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: got it. I walked away. I had to cry. I

1089
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: didn't let anybody know I was emotional, you know, of

1090
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: course not. And then I came up, I still thinking

1091
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: my eye sorry, it's cold out here. So that was

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01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: the one thing. I'm glad that that's over now and

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01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: I don't have to watch it over again. But James,

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01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: I remember during this boy toy auction, so we got

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01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: the script, We're like, oh my gosh, they're doing a

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01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: boytoy action. Hilarious, and we all felt a little weird

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01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: about it. And as we talked about them, I just

1098
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: why would high schoolers do this? I don't get it done,

1099
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: But I just remembered James. You know, they had to

1100
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: paint like they were painting boy toy on his chest

1101
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: in the makeup trailer, and he had this jersey and

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01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: he was to their credit, to his credit at all,

1103
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: all of those boys, they committed a hundred percent. But

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01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: I just remember James being so like, it's so dumb. Yeah,

1105
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to take my shirt off. Guys, Brett

1106
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: was all about taking his shirt off. I'm a smoke show.

1107
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm amazing. Yeah. Brett had so much fun with it

1108
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: and was so funny. Oh my god, him in the

1109
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: man panties. But he was also ten years older than James,

1110
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, like James never been naked in front of

1111
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: a girl before. We don't know. He was like he

1112
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: was only eighteen. They're like, come on, guy. He really

1113
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: went great. He plays cocky so well though you wouldn't

1114
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: know he does. Yeah, he came out on that stage

1115
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: with so much confidence, which is so wild to watch,

1116
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: given that we were all in the makeup trailer being like, no, dude,

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna be great. It's okay, it's you look great. No, really,

1118
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: this is it's gonna be so funny. We were, you know,

1119
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: just trying to like encourage him, and then you see

1120
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: Nathan just being like, yeah, I get this, and it's

1121
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: so opposite and it's just so sweet. Maybe he cried

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01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: to right like he did. I can't remember. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe we forgot to ask Moira about this. But how

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01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: fun was it to see, after Karen revealing to Brook

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01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: that she was once the captain of the tree Hill Ravens,

1126
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: to see Moira doing Ravens cheers while Larry's digging up

1127
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: the time capsule. I loved. That was so fine. She

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: didn't have any problems learning her routine like we did. Yeah,

1129
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder how many days moy were got,

1130
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, should we spin the wheel? Do we want

1131
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: to do wheel? We should spin a wheel. Let's spin

1132
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: a wheel. Most likely to be an employee at Tree

1133
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: Hill High as an adult who wasn't well, I mean,

1134
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: Haley was. Antoine wanted this, Remember he said, skills as

1135
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: the coach of the basketball team, and yeah, Haley's for

1136
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: sure the principal unless she's on tour. Did Luke become

1137
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: a coach or something? Did he? Yeah? He and Antoine

1138
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: were coaching together for a minute there, because remember Lindsay

1139
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: came to the basketball game. Yeah, it was the whole thing. Guys,

1140
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: Remember we got trapped in the library, right, you know what?

1141
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: This actually leads us into Holly's question, which is pretty

1142
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: great because she asked, if you guys didn't watch the

1143
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: show at the time, how did you know what was

1144
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: going on with the characters? Did you read the whole script?

1145
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 1: Did you do table reads or did you just chat

1146
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: with the other actors about their storylines? Oh my god,

1147
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: imagine if we'd had the resources to have table reads,

1148
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: table reads, that luxury, that would have been amazing. I

1149
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 1: read the whole script, I'm saying, yeah, yeah, Because we're professionals,

1150
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: Holly were, we are well, And it's also really important,

1151
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, I will say, on a show like our

1152
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: is a big ensemble like this, even in the things

1153
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: we're talking about for this episode, these parallel paths of

1154
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: um Haley and Lucas Peyton and Nathan brooken Mouth. If

1155
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: you don't read the whole script, you miss that all

1156
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: of your characters in their separate scenes are doing versions

1157
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: of the same thing. You missed the themes. If if

1158
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: you don't read all of it, and I don't know,

1159
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: also somebody else might be talking about your character and

1160
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: giving information that you don't yeah to say, Yeah, we

1161
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: like to have answers. We are ladies who like to

1162
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: have answers. So we read the whole script. Who they kissing?

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01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: I want to know? What are they doing over there? Awesome?

1164
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 1: Well this was such a good like it? What's next week?

1165
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: What do we got? Next episode is episode nineteen? Guys,

1166
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: nineteen episodes? How can you be sure? Dunt? Dune down? Don't?

1167
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: And that that's where we get into from going from

1168
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: trying to advocate to having to not judge your character.

1169
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: Joy's right, you can't do that. You gotta lean in.

1170
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: Oh man, we're gonna get messy next week. I can't

1171
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: wait to get messy with you. Guys. I love you

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01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 1: so much. I love you. Thanks everybody, see you later. Hey,

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01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review.

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