1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Five more players added to the team. Welcome Birg Gang. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: On today's show, Danny Surrek and Paul Calvc both join me. 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,079 Speaker 1: That's right. We go cover three on day two of 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. So who are these players? 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: Let's break it down. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: fifty one, and it starts now. 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: Bud to Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again. 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: Some more hurry magic. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craigcrioler. 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: So a big day requires big time talent. So we've 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: got both Danny and Paul to in night two. How 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: are we feeling? Yeah? 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: You better be complimentary, you better be nice, because here 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: we are, Danny right late on a Friday night or 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: propping up Craig Griolo over here, and we're going through 21 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: it all after we just sat through the press conference 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: and a furious third round. In fact, it was so 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: fast and furious. How fast and furious was it that 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: the GM maniasin Ford said, Lo and behold he fell 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: behind on his snacking. That the draft is notorious for 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: having some downtime and the ability to snack well. With 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: four picks in round three, no such opportunity. 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: And don't forget something that we did not have on 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: day one, Danny, But we had a pair of trades 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: as well. You knew it wouldn't be long before Manti 31 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: Austin Fort wheeled and dealed and either moved down acquire 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: an additional picks or just wheeling and dealing figuring out 33 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: where that board might fall depending on who might be available. 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, two picks on day two, So move down from 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 4: thirty five with Atlanta and what was that forty three 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 4: for the first pick? Correct? 37 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: Right? 38 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 4: So I like the fact that you're still getting the 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 4: players you want, you're getting some extra capital, you're moving 40 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 4: around a little bit, and the Cardinals are doing it 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 4: from players they have conviction on. That's what we've heard. 42 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 4: And you can absolutely see the pattern and the types 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 4: of people and the types of players that have been 44 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 4: drafted to the Cardinals. All of them clearly love ball 45 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 4: to the point where they are serious about it. That's 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 4: what is standing out in the interviews from the combine 47 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 4: or the thirty days to this coaching staff with these 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 4: players is how serious they take the game and all 49 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: the aspects that go into it, not just the glitz 50 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: and the glam of the stats or the big plays 51 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 4: on a Sunday, but all the hard work and all 52 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: the sacrifice that goes in every other day of the week. 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 4: And that's what they're trying to build a team around. 54 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: And it's clear that's what they're doing. 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: Seven picks in the first ninety two on Thursday, five 56 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: on Friday. It is the most for a single team, 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: seven in the first ninety since the Cowboys in nineteen 58 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: ninety one, according to ESPN Stats and Info. Let's run 59 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: through the names before we kind of go one by one. 60 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: In the second round. A cornerback Max Melton out of Ruckers. 61 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: In the third round, four selections, running back Trey Benson 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: Florida State, offensive guard Isaiah Adams Illinois, tied end Tip Rieman, Illinois, 63 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: and cornerback Elijah Jones Boston College. So they double up 64 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: on the quarterback on the cornerback and then add three 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: offensive players. But let's talk about Max Mountain. You alluded 66 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: to it earlier, Danny. As far as the trade go, 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: from thirty five to forty three, they also parted with 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: a sixth round selection, received an additional third round selection 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: with the seventy ninth overall pick, so again adding draft capital, 70 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: but again getting someone that fills the need first of 71 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: all and is very athletic and very confident. On a 72 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: conference call with reporters, quote, I'm a lockdown corner, you 73 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: know what. 74 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 4: There's a fine line between confidence and cockiness, and I 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: like the confidence, and I'm okay with of all positions 76 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: having a dB to have a little bit of swag, 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 4: a little chip on his shoulder. I like that. I 78 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 4: like having that extra edge to play with. Melton has 79 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: played inside outside special teams. Special teams actually holds a 80 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 4: near and dear place in his heart because a family 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 4: friend so close he considers him an uncle, was the 82 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 4: special teams coordinator at his high school. So he is versatile, 83 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 4: which is the word of the draft. That is a 84 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 4: type of player this staff likes. I like that he 85 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 4: has the confidence in himself. Five eleven, one hundred and 86 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: eighty seven pounds. Paul, I believe it was you who 87 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 4: asked the question though to Max Melton because he went 88 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 4: up against Marvin Harrison Junior and held MHJA to just 89 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 4: four receptions and twenty five yards. And and when you 90 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 4: the answer is what stood out to Meltain of like, 91 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 4: how'd you have to preparing it was mentally knowing you 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 4: were going up against Marvin Harrison Junior. 93 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: He said it took the whole week right to get 94 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: mentally ready for that game. But he went against Marvin 95 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: Harrison Junior two years in a row. And guess what 96 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: the Cardinals' fourth pick in this draft, first pick for 97 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: the Cardinals didn't have a great game. Well seems how 98 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: you break it down, he had four for twenty five 99 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: with two touchdowns, so not a lot of catches, not 100 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: only our yards. We got in the end zone twice, 101 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: but according to Max Mountain, only one catch was against him. 102 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: So I don't know how often they matched up. But 103 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior tweeted out I always respected his game. 104 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: And by the way, moments ago over your shoulder there, 105 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 3: I just saw Marvin Harrison Junior at the Sun's game, 106 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: so there was getting some camera time. He's already out 107 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,559 Speaker 3: and about and endearing himself to Phoenix sports fans Marvin 108 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: Harrison Junior attending the Sun's playoff game. 109 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 4: Darius Robinson is also there, posted on his social. 110 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: Media nice, so while you too are stuck with me? 111 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah here, what's that. 112 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 4: About, Craig. Yeah, we got the short end of the stick. 113 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, that's I mean, you know, I mean 114 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: they didn't need, like, you know, a guy to go 115 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: get them snacks. I think speaking of snacks, I mean 116 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: gladly would except to go park the car CALVC. Sure, gladly. 117 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: I love the fact that Melton asked, yeah, I'm not 118 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: sure if Marvin remembers who I am, and immediately we 119 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: told Max no, MHJ knows exactly who you are based 120 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: off the post that Paulser's reference and Iron Shopper ands Iron. 121 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: That's something Max Meltin mentioned as well. So that's going 122 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: to be an interesting battle to pay attention to, maybe 123 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: not so much in OTA's in mini camp, but certainly 124 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: in training camp when you start going one on one 125 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: and seeing Marvin Harrison six ' four against five to 126 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: eleven Max Meltin when. 127 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 4: It comes to cornerbacks, even if they might be a 128 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 4: little underdeveloped and I'm not saying necessarily Max Melton or 129 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 4: the later cornerback drafted Elijah Jones is I'm just saying 130 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 4: that is head coach Jonathan Gannon's bread and butter. So 131 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 4: if there's going to be a position where the player 132 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 4: might be a little more raw, it's going to take 133 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 4: a little bit more developmental time and some more reps. 134 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 4: It's cornerback that I want that to be the position 135 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 4: with the Cardinals. And you could see how ecstatic Gannon 136 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 4: was when talking about Max Melton, how serious he takes 137 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: the game, and that stood out in the interview process 138 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 4: again at the combine and the thirty visit. So for me, 139 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 4: as I said here, if Gannon is happy with where 140 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 4: Melton is not only at, but what he can become 141 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 4: with all of Gannon's experienced coaching, DB's I'm happy. 142 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: You know we said it after round one, right, guys, 143 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: we are talking about the sort of players the Cardinals 144 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: are looking for. We talked about it in December and 145 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: January that it just sort of became apparent that the 146 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: Cardinals mantiosa for Jonathan Gannon in particular, are looking for 147 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: guys who are deadly serious about the game of football. 148 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: And that's what stood out to him about Max Melton. 149 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: Max Melton, when we asked him about okay, all right, 150 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: your coach, your head coach used to coach cornerbacks, that's 151 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 3: his area of expertise. Did you have a chance to 152 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: connect with him? And he immediately said, within two minutes 153 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: of my first meeting with Jonathan Gannon, I knew, he said, 154 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: I knew this would be a great fit, and I 155 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: hoped at that very moment he would be my head coach. 156 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: And then to Danny's point, we followed up with Jonathan Gannon, 157 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: why what stood out to you? And he just said 158 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: the seriousness with which he approaches his job. And then 159 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: you go to the interview that they had with Elijah 160 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: Jones out of Boston College, and they said they put 161 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: on the combine some film and it was on a 162 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: still frame, and he saw the scoreboard, he saw who 163 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: they were playing, They saw the point in the game, 164 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: he saw the score time on the clock, and he 165 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: knew exactly the play that they were about to run 166 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: and have him review. And they said that reminded them 167 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: of Garrett Williams. So you have to have the measurables, 168 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: you have to have the ability, but they're looking for 169 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: something beyond that. They're looking for a serious approach to 170 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 3: the game of football. They're looking for a high football IQ. 171 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: You know, you look at guys who are like I mean, 172 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: look at Darius Robinson in this very studio he's talking 173 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: about is a bachelor's degree and a man five years 174 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: at Miszoo, and we asked him, sounds like you fashioned 175 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: yourself as a thinking man's defensive lineman. In addition to 176 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: the fact he's sixty five two eighty five and is 177 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: known for being nasty and physical. He thinks the game. 178 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: So if you can do all of those, look at 179 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: Tip Riman, the tight end they drafted. We'll get into 180 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: this massive dude. I mean, just nasty and physical, but 181 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 3: he's like a three time academic All Americans. So you 182 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: can see when Jonathan Gannon moments ago just told the 183 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: media after round two, he looked at the media and said, 184 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: I think you guys should be able to figure out 185 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 3: there's a pattern here. A players who are deadly serious 186 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: and b it's a big man's game. They're going after 187 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: big dudes, especially in the trenches of the front seven. 188 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: Talent first and foremost, you have to have a passion 189 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: for this game, and it has to carry over beyond 190 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: just the field of play. To your point, Paul, are 191 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: you studying the game? The fact that they knew, or 192 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: is to say, Jones knew exactly what that play was 193 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: before they hit play on the machine at the scouting 194 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: combine and went frame by frame before it was even 195 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: played to him. And let's talk about Elijah Jones, the 196 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: last pick of the night on Friday, ninetieth overall out 197 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: of Boston College, six ' one one eight five, maybe 198 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: a little undersized as far as the weight. Cardinals can 199 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: work with him on that in the offseason. A four 200 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: to four forty, first team All acc twice let the 201 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: team in pass breakups, so there is some success there 202 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: on the field, and someone at six ' one is 203 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: going to match up with those taller wide receivers. 204 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 4: Not only that he was a five year starter. It's 205 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 4: one of those situations where if you red shirt and 206 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 4: then the extra COVID year, some of these players have 207 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: five or even six years of college experience, just kind 208 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: of where we are now in the draft. But I 209 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 4: think that's important is having that experience and that maturity 210 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 4: and in that position and understanding what you do well 211 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 4: and where you can still improve coming off last season 212 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: five interceptions, eight PBUs. It's not always just about getting 213 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 4: the ball sometimes just got to break it up. And 214 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 4: it seems like he could be a ball hop on 215 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 4: this on this defense. 216 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: Correct, get it right, he's six to one and a half. 217 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 3: All right, guys like me, we'll take every half inch. 218 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: So let's get that. We're calling him six to two. 219 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: What we've been a round up here, pa. 220 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: In addition to the four point four four forty. 221 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: He had a forty two and a half vertical, I 222 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 3: mean hello, So some serious athleticism. What's further even more 223 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: interesting maybe, because look, it always comes down to can 224 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: you play? And Jim Naggy, the director of the Senior 225 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: Bowl and a former personnel guy in the NFL, former 226 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: colleague of Monti acer Ford, by the way, tweeted over 227 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: the weekend, our top defensive sleeper for twenty twenty four 228 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: is Boston College corner Elijah Jones. And this was two 229 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 3: days away from the draft, and he said, I still 230 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: haven't seen this ballhawk get enough attention. And he called 231 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: he called Jones at that point a steal for some team. 232 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: So okay, that's what you do late in round three, 233 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: you go after a guy who has the size, he 234 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: had the speed, he's a little light, Okay, we'll see 235 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 3: what he's all about and run support. But you got 236 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 3: someone who is very experienced, and guess what, he can 237 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: come in and really vie for a position because you figure, 238 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 3: at least based on some of these assessments he graded 239 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: well with the Senior Bowl. 240 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: Well, you've got eleven cornerbacks now on the roster, and 241 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: how many of those are you assured of that are 242 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: going to be week ones? Daughters Sean Murphy, Bunting, Garrett Williams, 243 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: Max Melton right there, I would think would be your 244 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: top three. Again, nothing's given, everything is earned. But there's 245 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: a reason why we kept talking about the cornerback position 246 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: throughout this entire process. You can never have enough, yet 247 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: you have to find the right ones and who you 248 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: can count on each and every week. 249 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's for me a little early to 250 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 4: just say that. You know, that's obviously the goal when 251 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 4: you're taking a player so early on day two, but 252 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 4: there's still a lot. I mean, the speed of the 253 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 4: game is so drastic from college to the pro, so 254 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 4: being able to keep up with these receivers and you know, 255 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 4: be in the right spot quick enough like that, that's 256 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 4: going to take some adjusting. And I think cornerback is 257 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 4: one of those positions where the speed of the game 258 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 4: can really catch up to you. I mean, we saw it. 259 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 4: I know it's different. He was a later draft pick 260 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 4: last year in kee Trell Clark of starting, and it 261 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 4: was just kind of too much of kind of having 262 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 4: to take a step back and not being the starter, 263 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 4: and Starling Thomas, who was able to catch on faster, 264 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 4: ended up earning that starting role. So I'm not to 265 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 4: say that, you know, Max Meltin doesn't have the potential 266 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 4: to be a starter. That would obviously be ideal for 267 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 4: him to pick things up quickly. Just I think you 268 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 4: need to see things kind of shake out and see 269 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 4: how quickly, you know, these rookies are able to pick 270 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 4: up the playbook and adjust. 271 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 3: And when he says I'm a lockdown corner I can 272 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: lock down anybody, which was his quote, And it just 273 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: seems like a lot of these rookies in the moment 274 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: and remember we talked to them a few moments removed 275 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 3: from after being selected, right, so the adrenaline is flowing. 276 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: Eric Clayton Tune last year proclaim himself the best quarterback 277 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: in the draft. Go back to twenty eighteen. I was 278 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: right there on stage when Josh Rosen said there were 279 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: nine mistakes made ahead of me. I'm the best player 280 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: in this draft. So yes, guys are prone to that 281 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: every once in a while. But to Danny's point, you 282 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: need confidence if you're a corner Key Troll Clark had 283 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: it last year, and he came out of training camp 284 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 3: and there he was in the mix, and then things 285 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: fell off. So you know, to your point about eleven 286 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: corners on the roster, I did not realize that, But 287 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: obviously they're throwing numbers at it. And the competition it 288 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: commences the first time these guys take the field, even 289 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: in the offseason, and guys like Key Troll Clark and 290 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: Darling Thomas, they are gonna have to show they've made 291 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: an improvement from year one to year two, or guess what, 292 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: They're gonna be replaced by the latest guys with all 293 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: the potential to start. 294 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: And who's to say that there aren't more cornerbacks added 295 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: and then subtracted to make sure you stay within that 296 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: ninety man limit here in the offseason, Danny, you brought 297 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: up speed and let's talk about maybe a little bit 298 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: of a surprise on day two, and that is quote, 299 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: a big, fast, explosive runner. In the words of Manti 300 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: Austin fort and talking about Trey Benson, tailback out of 301 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Florida State six feet two hundred and sixteen pounds he 302 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: weighed at the scouting combine to twenty one at his 303 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: pro day. That is a big boy running behind an 304 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: offensive line, a position that we thought maybe could be addressed, 305 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: but maybe not in the third round with the sixty 306 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: sixth overall pick. 307 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 4: But the fact that it was addressed there don't I 308 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 4: don't mind it because that tells me how high on 309 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 4: the board Benson was for them. That's not to take 310 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 4: away that James Connor is still your starting running back 311 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 4: coming off one thousand rushing yard season where you didn't 312 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 4: even play every game. To me, this is a long 313 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 4: term thought. This is a downhill runner who keeps his 314 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 4: feet moving, has the burst, his patient, is fast, tough 315 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 4: to bring down. That just adds a little variety in 316 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 4: the running backs room. And I like that. I like 317 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 4: that Michael Carter has different skill sets than Amar De 318 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 4: Mercado than a James Conner than a Trey Benson. So 319 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 4: I like that you have this mix. I like that 320 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: you're gonna have competition. I like that Benson has played 321 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 4: in all thirteen games in each of the last two seasons. 322 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: That tells me he is durable and he is available. 323 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 4: Coming off a year where he had nine hundred and 324 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 4: six rushing yards, one hundred and fifty six carries for 325 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 4: five point eight per carry, fourteen touchdowns, and. 326 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: Especially after he had the torn acl early in his 327 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: career at Oregon. So now he's shown that he has 328 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: that durability. And he's a guy that only hit the 329 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: twenty carry mark in one game over the last two years. 330 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 3: So in some ways he might have been underutilized in 331 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: that Florida State offense. They're loaded with talent, they had 332 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: a rotation at running back. You bring him in. He's 333 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: six foot, he waged two sixteen at the combine, two 334 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: twenty one at his pro day. How much more good 335 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: weight could he put on as a bruising bowllie ball 336 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: alternative to James Connor four three nine forty. So you 337 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: know he can scoot, but when it comes to running 338 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 3: it and you know cramming it vertical, as would like 339 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 3: to say, between the tackles. He definitely has a size 340 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 3: and the strength, and based on some of the highlights 341 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 3: you see he has good vision as well. He had 342 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: a real ability to follow his blockers. And so now 343 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: you get him in the same room with James Connor 344 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: and let him learn from one of the best, most 345 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: physical runners. And look, we know James Connor. It's the 346 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 3: reason why he is the utmost respect in that locker 347 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: room because every single snap he fights for every single inch, 348 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 3: never goes down without a fight. So you got to 349 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: give him a blow. You got a seventeen game season 350 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: and with a Michael Carter at five eight and a 351 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: Mari de Mercado still looking to you know, get permanent 352 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: traction in this league as an undrafted guy. I think 353 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 3: it makes a heck of a lot of sense for 354 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: someone a Trey Benson, who according to Next Gen Stats 355 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: was their highest rated running back with the best overall score. 356 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 3: And there he is sitting in at pick sixty six 357 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: or so exactly. Then you know what, boom, Why not 358 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: pull the trigger? 359 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: The only player in college football a year ago with 360 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: an eighty plus yard run and an eighty plus yard catch. Wow, 361 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: and it's that four three ninety, the third fastest among 362 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: running backs. So can you hit that hole? What's his split? 363 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: How quickly can you get to the hole? And then 364 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: if he makes someone miss, that's breakaway speed. And at 365 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: six feet two twenty or whatever it's going to be, 366 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 1: that's that's a big bowling ball coming at you running 367 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: down hill hitting that line. And then again you make 368 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: a couple of guys miss and you're not gonna catch 369 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: Trey Benson. 370 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: All right, So think about last year. Think of the 371 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: role that Amari de Mercado carved out for himself as 372 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 3: the third down back because he was really reliable in 373 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: pass protection and if needed, he could catch the ball. 374 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 3: Could Trey Benson be that guy? He definitely has the 375 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: size at six foot two twenty something, and if you're 376 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: telling me he's that explosive and they were throwing in 377 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: the ball and he had an eighty yard catch and run, 378 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: then think about having to account for a Trey Benson 379 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: rookie with young legs. He's in there as a third 380 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 3: down running back and he could be a checkdown alternative 381 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: for Kyler Murray. Yet he still has the size and 382 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 3: strength to be a good guy in pass bro. If 383 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 3: we assume he is, then look, Drew Petsing showed that 384 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: he likes to get James Conner out of there on 385 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 3: a lot of third downs. Now, I always wanted to 386 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 3: get James Conner's honest opinion about that, because I think 387 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 3: he wanted to be a three down back all the time, 388 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 3: but quite often they would give him a blow by 389 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 3: bringing to Amar de Murcatto, especially third and obvious passing 390 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: situations for de Mercato to be the blocking back. 391 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: But the pass protection, which you said, Paul, that is 392 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: what's ultimately going to get Trey Benson on the football field, 393 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: because if you can't pass protect, then you're doing no 394 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: one any good, especially if you're Kyler Murray. I can't 395 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: trust you to be my last line of defense. So 396 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: that's going to be to keep an eye on come 397 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: training camp. How do you match up against these guys? 398 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: And for some Danny it takes a little bit longer. 399 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: For de Mercato, who was undrafted, he got it right 400 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: away and all of a sudden, it's, oh, why is 401 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: he playing ahead of me? I was drafted, he was not. Well, 402 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: you can protect the quarterback and that's going to keep 403 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: you on the football field. 404 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 4: That's how fast things can change in the NFL, and 405 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 4: that the fact that even if you aren't a draft 406 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 4: pick doesn't mean that you're not guaranteed to carve out 407 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 4: a role for yourself on a roster and have a 408 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 4: successful career. I like this pick because it creates competition 409 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 4: in this room, in a room that is a heavy 410 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 4: part of this offense. It's very clear offensive Corney Drew 411 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: Pencing likes to run the ball. We saw that last year. 412 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: We can absolutely confirm that with the draft picks and 413 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 4: some of the free agency signings from this year. So 414 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 4: I like having some competition in that running backs room 415 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 4: to really make sure you're getting the best out of everybody. 416 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 4: And again, you have a little bit of a mix 417 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 4: right now in everybody's skill set to really help you 418 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 4: accomplish the different things you want to in the run game. 419 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: Maybe most miraculous is a lot of mock drafts nailed 420 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: that one, Trey Benson to the Cardinals from Florida State 421 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 3: in round three. There were a lot of mock drafts 422 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: who called that which doesn't happen real often put it 423 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 3: that way. Okay, so at least give. 424 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: Him a mark for that one, just thinking out of 425 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: the box. If you have some good quality running backs. 426 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: We didn't see it a lot, Paul, but two running 427 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: backs on the field at the same time, maybe in 428 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: the backfield sharing the backfield again, it's an unusual sight 429 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: to see in the NFL these days. Or maybe one 430 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: of the backfield won as a wide receiver. How well 431 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: does Trey Benson catch the ball in the National Football League? 432 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: We know James Connor has great has got great hands 433 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: receiving the ball. 434 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: Twenty two personnel? Is that where you're hinting at? Do I? 435 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: I didn't want to pull around my wolf impersonation right now. 436 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 3: Two running backs, two tight end, especially with a blocking 437 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: tight end to go all with Trey McBride and then oh, 438 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: I don't know, Marvin Harrison Junior as the lone wide receiver. 439 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: That really is one of the only personnel groups we 440 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: did not see last year from Drew Petsen, who has 441 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: an inkling to run anything and everything to keep a defense. Honest, So, 442 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 3: I hadn't thought of that, but it's a good concept. 443 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: And look, if you have the personnel that merits the 444 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 3: time on the field, then the coaches will figure out 445 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: a way to get you on the field, and if 446 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: that means adapting, the Cardinals coaches on both sides of 447 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: the ball have shown they'll do exactly that. 448 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: While we open up the door for a conversation about 449 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: tight end, the Cardinals did draft a tight end eighty 450 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: second overall, a pick that they acquired in a trade 451 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: with the Colts. They moved from seventy nine to eighty two, 452 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: plus acquired a sixth round selection one ninety one overall, 453 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: and with that eighty second overall selection, Tip Ryman tight 454 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: end out of Illinois six ' five two seventy one, 455 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: the definition of a blocker and might have had the 456 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: best quote of the night, YEP conference call post draft 457 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: selection quote mauling somebody when asked what he likes about 458 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: being a blocker quote, I like putting my hands on 459 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: somebody and doing what I want, move them exactly where 460 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: I want against their will. It's fun. I feel like 461 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: it's a gift the Lord gave me, and I am 462 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: honoring him and doing. 463 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 3: That end quote, that's a ding. That's a ding right there. 464 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: And speaking of wolf somewhere, he got up and gave 465 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: him a standing ovation just for that quote. So he's 466 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 3: on the All Wolf team already just based on that quote. 467 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: But when you what's really intriguing about this, once again, 468 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: I go back to the next gen stats. But I 469 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: do this because you just can't ignore the fact that 470 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 3: tip Ryman out of Illinois, all six five two and 471 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: seventy one pounds of him, ended up with a higher 472 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: athleticism score than brock Bauers, who went thirteenth overall to 473 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 3: the Raiders. Okay, wait a minute, what and I was 474 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 3: about to ask a question, and then I go I'd 475 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: intercepted by another media member who asked basically the same 476 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: question of Mani, asif do you view him as only 477 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: a blocking tight end because the measurables obviously say this 478 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: dude's like a pseudo offensive lineman and he's known as 479 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 3: being nasty and he enjoys it being a maaller. But 480 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: Mani's response was he was underutilized in the passing game. 481 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 3: He didn't have a lot of passing stats to show 482 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 3: for it, but he definitely has the athleticism to be 483 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 3: a dual threat tight end. Hello, it's really interesting how 484 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 3: many great tight ends have come out around three over 485 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: the years. So once again, This got a lot of 486 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: praise from a lot of the analysts and that Peter 487 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 3: Schrager called him his favorite player in the draft. 488 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 4: Six five, two seventy one, played in every game the 489 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 4: last three years, a two year starter, a former walk 490 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 4: on turned team captain. This is the type of tight 491 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 4: end I wanted to see the Cardinals draft. The Cardinals 492 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 4: were in twelve or thirteen personnel thirty two percent of 493 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 4: their offensive snaps last season, that is fifth most in 494 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 4: the league. They lost their blocking tight end and Jeff Swain, 495 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: who got hurt last year. He's still out in free agency, 496 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 4: and behind Trey McBride. You might have something in Elijah 497 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 4: Higgins as maybe a second receiving tight end. You don't 498 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 4: have that true blocker, which is important again for the 499 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 4: type of offense that Petsing likes to run. And this 500 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 4: is what the Cardinals get and tip Ryman, I'm sure 501 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 4: that they will utilize him more in the in the 502 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 4: past game and kind of make him more of that 503 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 4: complete tight end, especially if it was just not getting 504 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 4: utilized as much in college. This to me is a 505 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 4: great well rounded pick because it fits a need in 506 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 4: a lot of different areas in your offense. A quick 507 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 4: side note though, that I think is just I mean, 508 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 4: it's a cute moment, so I just want to share 509 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 4: it because Tip Ryman was drafted to the Cardinals after 510 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 4: guard Isaiah Simmon. Isaiah's Oh my goodness, it's what have 511 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 4: Freudian slip? And do I think I am? Paul covec 512 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 4: Isaiah Adams, the offensive lineman, both from Illinois. They actually 513 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 4: facetimed each other from their watch parties at home to 514 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 4: celebrate coming to Arizona together. 515 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 3: That's cool, that's good. I didn't know that. Well, I 516 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: did know that. You pointed out right after the Cardinals 517 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 3: drafted Tip Briman that he has played in every single 518 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 3: game over the last three years, so he has that 519 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 3: track record of durability. And he also shined at the 520 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 3: Shrine game. Right he was voted all these practice team 521 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 3: and guess who was the offensive coordinator Drew Terrell Cardinals 522 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: passing game coordinator and receivers coach. So that has been 523 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: a pattern as well, when the Cardinals have had some 524 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: intel at some of the All Star games, coaches with 525 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 3: boots on the ground, they've gotten a little extra layer 526 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: of information on some of these players and they've been 527 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 3: able to coach them up and see what they would 528 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 3: be like to be on their own team, on their 529 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 3: own field, in their own meeting rooms. And so all 530 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 3: that comes together once again for yet another draft pick 531 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: that a Cardinals coach had a chance to really visit 532 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: with and get to know over the course of a week. 533 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: Isaiah Adams offensive guard Rymans teammate in Illinois, and we 534 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: talk about intel while Adams performed very well at the 535 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl on the national team, and his offensive line 536 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: coach was Chris Cook, the Cardinals assistant of line coach. 537 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: So all of this plays a factor in why when 538 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: players get selected, how do well do you know the player? 539 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: How well do you get to know the person? Probably 540 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: more so when you have these All Star games. And Paul, 541 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: you brought up Jim Naggy earlier, the Senior Bowl director. 542 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to bring him up again when talking about 543 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: Adams six ' four, three point fifteen. We'll get to 544 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: his background in a moment. But this is what Naggi 545 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: posted two days ago ahead of the draft quote, our 546 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: top offensive sleeper for twenty twenty four made it look 547 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: easy at times against top one hundred d lineman. That 548 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: is what Naggi posted about Isaiah Adams, who Danny is experienced. 549 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: He'll turn twenty five four in July, so when he 550 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: steps foot at State Farm Stadium for his first ever 551 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: training camp, he'll be twenty five years old. But this 552 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: has been a nice moment for him because the journey 553 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: for Isaiah Adams has been a long one. 554 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's I mean, ended up played small ball and 555 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 4: ended up at community college and found his way to Illinois. 556 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 4: But it took him quite a while to get there, 557 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 4: and I believe six years right in college. 558 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 3: Two of those were in Canada, so he's from Ontario. 559 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 3: And then finally he got to a JC in America 560 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 3: and then from there two years at Illinois. But what 561 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: stood out was the quote from coach Bilima about how 562 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 3: you know he's a team captain and earned everyone's respect, 563 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: but on game. 564 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 4: Day he's a jerk in the nicest way possible. 565 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: Sure, And when we asked Monny I Sport about that 566 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: and he said it was that a Paranon tape? He said, Oh, yeah, 567 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: it's a Paranon tape. 568 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: There's no doubt. 569 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 3: And how much of a positive is that? Oh, it's 570 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: a positive. Once again, the pattern, the pattern of players 571 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: are looking for the physicality, serious about ball. It's a 572 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: big man's game. So all these things are coming through 573 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: and you're starting to see now with you one and 574 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: a half drafts under their belt and closing in on 575 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: two drafts under their belt, you see where everything is trending, 576 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 3: the players that they are targeting and coveting, and oh, 577 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: go ahead, Well. 578 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 4: While there's versatility there of Adams playing right tackle this 579 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 4: past year, he ended up at the Senior Bowl as 580 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 4: a guard, and that's where he was in twenty twenty two, 581 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 4: the year prior to Illinois was a left guard. So 582 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 4: that's where I would imagine even if you're seeing he 583 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 4: has that versatility, I imagine he's going to be used 584 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 4: on the inside. 585 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: And he might have been a sleeper because he had 586 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 3: to play ten games at right tackle in a pinch, 587 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,959 Speaker 3: and he actually sacrificed for Illinois, but it wasn't his 588 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: best position. He didn't have some of the best performances 589 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: out on the edge. But as an interior lineman Isaiah Adams, 590 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 3: and based on his play at the Senior Bowl, that's 591 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 3: where he really has a high ceiling. 592 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: And Mani acknowledged that that Adams played out of position 593 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: a year ago, but he did so because he was needed. 594 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: Goes back to what we talk about team first before you, 595 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: and we heard a lot from these draft picks. Max Meltin. Yeah, 596 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm a lockdown corner, but I'll do whatever is asked 597 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: of me. We heard Marvin Harrison Junior say it when 598 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: he was asked about being a number one wide receiver. No, 599 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: I got to come in and learn the playbook, work 600 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: on my chemistry with Kyler Murray and whatever has asked me. 601 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'll do. Darius Robinson along the defensive line, 602 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: where is he gonna line up? I can line up 603 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: wherever they want me to go. So you've got guys 604 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: who are coming in humble and unselfish and working for 605 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: the team rather than themselves. 606 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: Here's the other thing I think Isaiah Adams says a 607 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: little bit of a bullseye in his back just because 608 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 3: of who was drafted after him. Cooper Beebe was still 609 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 3: on the board and two picks later went to the 610 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys. Here's a guy who's highly rated as a 611 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: guard coming out the last two years, he's been the 612 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 3: Big twelve offensive lineman of the year. So that's something 613 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 3: we're going to track and just see. Okay, what's the 614 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 3: football future. You're a Cooper Bebee who was still on 615 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: the board versus Isaiah Adams who played a lot of 616 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 3: out of position, and so you know, maybe his value 617 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: was suppressed and that's maybe one of the reasons the 618 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 3: end up quote being a sleeper by a lot of 619 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: the analysts. But I'm curious to see how that plays out. 620 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: Well, we'll see how it plays out in training camp. 621 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: As far as that left guard position, because right now, Danny, 622 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: that's the one position on the offensive line that is 623 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: certainly up in the air, and dare I say, the 624 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: one position on the entire offense that might be their 625 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: one true real competition. I say that here at the 626 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: end of April, and we'll see what happens. But as 627 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: far as starting spots, I can give you ten out 628 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: of eleven left guard right now, I can give you 629 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: a handful of news. I just don't know which one 630 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: will be there week one. 631 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 4: Right I mean, you've got Dennis Daley, You've got Elijah 632 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 4: Wilkins in is whereas Marky's Hayes what is he up to? 633 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 4: And right where does the coaching staff see him? What 634 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 4: about John Gains. That's a big question mark. He towards 635 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 4: ACL in the final preseason game in Minnesota last year, 636 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 4: so we didn't have a rookie year. He was seeing 637 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 4: a lot of backup center snaps up until that point. 638 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 4: Is that still where the Cardinals see him now? Behind 639 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 4: yelled de Roholt and after signing Evan Brown in free agency, 640 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 4: So there's a lot of options. I do think Isaiah 641 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 4: Adams though, will make a case for himself at being 642 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 4: the starting left guard. That might be where we stand 643 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 4: right now, one of, if not the top position groups 644 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 4: to look at for competition for starters. 645 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 3: No doubt. And look those guys who are nasty and 646 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: physical and can come off the ball, they're going to 647 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 3: have an advantage because I firmly believe that's what the 648 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 3: Cardinals are looking for. That's straight ahead rushing attack top 649 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 3: five a year ago and almost every rushing metric, and 650 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 3: then with the James Connor that's how the Cardinals are 651 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 3: going to compete this year. That's how they're going to 652 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 3: take it to the NFC West. And so I think 653 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 3: it's gonna be a really spirited training camp. And if 654 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 3: Isaiah Adams is known as a jerk and tip Ryman 655 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 3: likes to get his hands on dudes and move him around. 656 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 3: A lot of the veterans don't take kindly to that 657 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: coming from rookies, and so we'll see. We'll see about 658 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 3: that fighting policy. Last year was Elijah Wilkinson and LJ. 659 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: Collier who got thrown off the field during training camp. 660 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: That was the one and only a skirmish that got 661 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 3: to the point where someone got ejected by the head coach. 662 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 3: But I will put the over under at two point 663 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 3: five this training camp. 664 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: I want front row center for those first one on one, 665 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: full padded practices. And Isaiah Adams against Justin Jones, nichols 666 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: kyries Tonga, the rookie against the veterans, and the attitude 667 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: that some of these draft picks have coming in and 668 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: will that be displayed or will they kind of stand 669 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: back a little bit because they're in awe. And when 670 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: that first hit is made, does it come from the 671 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: rookie or does it come from the veteran? 672 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 3: Hey, Darius Robinson against Isaiah Adams, you know that's gonna happen. 673 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 3: They're gonna pair up the two interior guys, the two 674 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 3: rookie linemen, and yeah, there will be blood metaphorically speaking 675 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 3: over there and the O line, D line drill, look 676 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 3: at us? 677 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 4: What not? Even forty eight hours past speculation season, we're 678 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 4: already talking about training camp. 679 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: But this is much better conversation than speculation because we 680 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: now have tangible players now kind of absolutely, Yeah, this 681 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: is a much better conversation that we've had since January. 682 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: By the way, one more day of the twenty twenty 683 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: four NFL Draft, bright and early on Saturday morning. Five 684 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: picks scheduled, five picks. By the way, if the Cardinals 685 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: make all five selections, they'll be twelve rookies. Wow, that 686 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: will come in a twelve member draft class coming in 687 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four or under. 688 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 4: Nine of those are going to be on Paul's watch. 689 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 4: That's for training. 690 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 3: Oh no, that's too early. It's unnecessary, and that's too soon. 691 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 3: It really, it's so true. I mean, you know, although 692 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 3: I guess if we're talking about training camp fights, you 693 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 3: can talk about the polypickskin go player. You know, I 694 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 3: like to think it through, but you know, ultimately I 695 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 3: do decide upon an offensive and defensive player. But you know, 696 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 3: the off season can influence and it can be sort 697 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 3: of a moving power pole in real time, you know, 698 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 3: not only like the stock market, and so we just 699 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 3: we sort of have the ticker up there and uh, 700 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 3: you know, back and forth. We'll see, we'll. 701 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: See how it goes. 702 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 3: But uh yeah, there's there's a lot to like in 703 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 3: terms of the bravado and some of the confidence you 704 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 3: hear from some of these guys. And so obviously they 705 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 3: made an impression in the visits, whether it was the Combine, 706 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 3: whether it was a thirty visit. I mean, they're looking 707 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 3: for that sort of mentality, and almost every single draft 708 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: pick you can see just with the media, even when 709 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 3: they're speaking median, it oozes out the sort of mentality 710 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 3: they bring to the game. 711 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 4: I'll be interested to see the picks that are made 712 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 4: on day three of not you know, it's not just 713 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 4: areas of need or if you're looking long term to develop, 714 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 4: it's also what players are available on the board to 715 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 4: you who is worth that pick. So it'll be interesting 716 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 4: to see the positions that the Cardinals haven't addressed. If 717 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 4: you want to look more long term, right, maybe a 718 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 4: safety or linebacker or another interior d lineman, right, or 719 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 4: the Cardinals just going to start doubling up on positions 720 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 4: that they've already drafted, because that just makes more sense 721 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 4: with who's available. Are they going to take another receiver? 722 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: Right? 723 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 4: Maybe two more receivers. I mean, it's just it's going 724 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 4: to be interesting to see the moves that are made 725 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 4: on day three. 726 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say there's definitely room for another receiver or two. 727 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 3: A Troy Franklin who's still on the board, a guy 728 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 3: who's speculated is having first round potential. Bo Nix's number 729 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 3: one target at Oregon. I wonder what they think about him. 730 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 3: This is such a deep receiver year that there's got 731 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 3: to still be a lot of talent still on that board. 732 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 3: And so with five five picks left in rounds four 733 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 3: through seven, who's to say they don't pair up a 734 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 3: couple of those. And maybe this is where Mani let 735 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 3: Moni cook and he goes up. If there's really someone 736 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 3: left over that's on that board that's glaring, I could 737 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 3: see them definitely making a move because they have enough 738 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 3: players and they have enough picks, and if there's one 739 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 3: guy out there that moves the meter, I think they 740 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 3: will go get them. 741 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: Outside linebacker if there is not an edge rusher drafted, 742 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: or they wait and continue to wait and go to 743 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: a different position. It will say what they think of 744 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: Isavan Collins in year two, b j O Jalari in 745 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: year to the improvement perhaps of a Dennis Gardeck because 746 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: that room has not been addressed at all. Free agency 747 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: the drafts they re sign Jesse Lukette, but that room 748 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: a stand up edge rusher has not been added to 749 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: that group. Jonathan Gannon was asked about it Friday night. 750 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: He said he liked the room where it's at, so 751 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: perhaps the additions on the defensive line will help those 752 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: edge rushers, and all of a sudden, the bottom third 753 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: sack total becomes maybe middle of the pack. Dare I 754 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: say a top of the half of the league. 755 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Is it realistic that you're gonna find 756 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 3: an edge rusher on Day three of the draft that's 757 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 3: gonna challenge I don't think you're gonna find a guy 758 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 3: who's gonna challenge b Jo July or Zaving Collins. I 759 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 3: think the bigger question will challenge for a spot in 760 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 3: the final fifty three. We'll see you once again. Maybe 761 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 3: there's a talent out there that's dealt with injury and 762 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 3: they take a flyer. Also safety, perhaps perhaps that's one 763 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 3: area they look at just for depth and to see 764 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 3: they like versatility. If they can get a guy who 765 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 3: can fill in at safety slash corner, I think that 766 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 3: might be attractive as well. 767 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 4: I think to a certain point when you're building for 768 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 4: long term, the way that the Cardinals are is they 769 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 4: are still in this transition phase. While you can yes 770 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 4: address all the positions, you can't address everything as intensely, 771 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 4: whether that is financially a free agents or the draft picks, 772 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 4: whether that's the quantity of how many are the quantity 773 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 4: of how high up your board that you're addressing in 774 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 4: And it's very clear that the d line and cornerback 775 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 4: is kind of the two big areas of this defense 776 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 4: right now really being attacked. And so I wouldn't be 777 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 4: surprised if this time next year, once the Cardinals feel 778 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 4: a little more comfortable at the foundation, there maybe an 779 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 4: outside linebacker or the pass rush really is the priority. 780 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 4: And that's not to say that pass rush and getting 781 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 4: to the quarterback is not a priority in terms of 782 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 4: the philosophy of this defense. It's a lot of who's available, 783 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 4: who's available that was affordable and free agency with all 784 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 4: the other players you are trying to sign who's available 785 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 4: in the draft, and the skill set and all the 786 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 4: other positions you wanted to attack. So I think it 787 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 4: might just be more of that of It's not that 788 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 4: getting to the quarterback is not a priority. I think 789 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 4: it's just very clear that really needed to shore up 790 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 4: the d line and the cornerback rooms. We're the priority 791 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 4: at this point, at least through the offseason and draft affordability. 792 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: And then this was just not a very deep edge 793 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: rush class to begin with, and who knows what's going 794 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: to happen next offseason and free agency and then the 795 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: draft class four next year. So yeah, you hope to 796 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: address every single need, but to Danny's point, Paul, sometimes 797 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: there's needs that just supersede others, and you not that 798 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: they're kicking the can down the road, but you can 799 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: only do so much in one offseason. 800 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 3: Once again, we talked about how this draft is known 801 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 3: for receivers an offensive lineman in particular. You don't walk 802 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 3: into an Italian restaurant in order the hamburger. Okay, so 803 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 3: this year's draft, you got to you gotta specialize where 804 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 3: the talent really is. Now, if a lay out to 805 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 3: a lot too, because of his medicals had fallen to 806 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 3: twenty seven. I could have seen the Cardinals pulling the 807 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 3: trigger on that. But I really wonder this year, this class, 808 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 3: if some of these guys were overdrafted, a chop Robinson, 809 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 3: Jared burse, you know, if some of these guys, you know, 810 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 3: a Dallas Turner who talked to people who said he's 811 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 3: not even close to being in the same league as 812 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 3: of Will Anderson. So all right, you know, but everyone 813 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 3: has a need. You gotta have the quarterback. You gotta 814 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 3: get to the quarterback. So we'll see how this year's 815 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 3: crop of first round pass rusher even comes to fruition. 816 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 3: We'll see if it's worthy. As for you know that 817 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 3: round seven, I'll just leave you with this. One of 818 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,959 Speaker 3: my favorite interviews of all time is we got former 819 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 3: Cardinals GM Rod Graves back in the day because the 820 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 3: Cardinals had a whole series of seventh round picks, and 821 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 3: we did a fake interview that we played on the air, 822 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 3: and we got Wolf good because he told us he 823 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 3: let us in on his draft strategy. With the final 824 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 3: seventh round pick, he was going to take another color 825 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,439 Speaker 3: analyst in the draft, and so he played it off 826 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 3: deadpan the whole thing. We played it for Wolf live 827 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 3: on the air during the Big Red Rage. We'll try 828 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 3: it before he finally realized what was going on. So, 829 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 3: you know what, that was good. That's a good draft memory. 830 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna leave the with on this Friday night 831 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 3: if you don't mind. 832 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: Is there a possibility, Danny, we can convince many Austin 833 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: for to draft a sideline report for twenty four with 834 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: those picks. 835 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 4: Oh, Craig, you know well, staying here late on his 836 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 4: Friday night day the draft, right, and. 837 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 3: I get impugned here right on the air. But you 838 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 3: know what, looking at this schedule, going to Lambeau in 839 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 3: Buffalo and Miami, can choose which trip do you want? Paul? Yeah, 840 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,919 Speaker 3: you know what, the feeling might be mutual come mid 841 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 3: May when the schedule comes out that's pending. 842 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 4: I'm going to get a call from Paul the day 843 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 4: that we're leaving for these trips. I'm feeling a little underweather. 844 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 4: Can can you just take take over the responsibilities. 845 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 3: There's gonna be no link whatsoever to me. Just happening 846 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,959 Speaker 3: to call in sick for the Lambeau and Buffalo games 847 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 3: in December and January. 848 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's par for the course, so really yes, right, 849 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: well good stuff. Should we all agree to do this 850 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: again one more time on Saturday? After day three? 851 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,879 Speaker 4: It was just so much fun. I can't say no. 852 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna hold you to it, Danny. I'm gonna hold 853 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: you to it. 854 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,760 Speaker 3: Turns out we're really not missing much in this Sun's 855 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 3: playoff game either, based on I've diverted my eyes, yes, 856 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 3: like a lot of the Sun's fans have apparently. 857 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 1: And on that note, we'll put a li in on 858 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two percented by Hundai, partner 859 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our 860 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Mo Mondre, our associate producer Cuddy Fincher 861 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: for Danny Surrek, Paul Calvic, I'm Craig Real. We'll talk 862 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two