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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of The Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: We're joined by Mike Sarnovich. He is an independent journalist, commentator,

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Speaker 1: or filmmaker, a man of many talents and abilities and

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Speaker 1: has a lot to talk to us about today. Mike,

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Speaker 1: first time on the show. Welcome sir, Thank you my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: So I gotta ask you, how are we doing these

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Speaker 1: days on the right when people ask you that question,

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Speaker 1: or what do you think about that? What are the

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Speaker 1: first things that come to mind? Well, the first thing

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Speaker 1: that comes to mind is they did when a mid

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Speaker 1: term with the House, and they did get a popular

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Speaker 1: vote majority, which mattered of course before the current time. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: they won the popular vote for the House. That's the

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Speaker 1: good news. The other good news is the Senate is

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Speaker 1: looking good. In twenty twenty four, Republicans can retake that.

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Speaker 1: The you know, on the other hand, there's a lack

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Speaker 1: of purpose and mission caused by an obsession with the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty election that like just won't go away. So

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Speaker 1: you have a number of people, myself included, and I'm

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Speaker 1: becoming more of a dinosaur who says, I mean, of course,

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Speaker 1: every you can read about the Jfkle election. You can

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Speaker 1: read about Bush versus Gore. Democrats had their opinion on that,

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Speaker 1: of course, but you have to move on or you

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Speaker 1: have to have some kind of solution. You can't dwell

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Speaker 1: on it. And the right is currently obsessed with it

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Speaker 1: and will not let it go. And anyone who doesn't

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Speaker 1: think that's the most important issue as a traitor controlled

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Speaker 1: opposition not ready for the moment. And that's people saying

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Speaker 1: that as a large percentage of the voting base, that's

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Speaker 1: a huge problem. And I don't know what, if anything,

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Speaker 1: is going to be done about that problem. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was gonna ask you what you said, a huge percentage?

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Speaker 1: What percent of the GOP base would you estimate based

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Speaker 1: on your interactions with them? Are completely and unalterably, at

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Speaker 1: least for now, committed to the idea that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: won in twenty twenty, and therefore a replay of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty in terms of strategy, candidate everything would be to

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Speaker 1: our advantage. I would say ten to twenty. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: would be. That would be my guests as well. Is

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Speaker 1: there what would have taken me? So when I have people,

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Speaker 1: for example, calling on radio, and I'll bring up I

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Speaker 1: think Georgia is a perfect microcosm of this, right. I

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Speaker 1: think there are some states where you can look and

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Speaker 1: see and say, hold on a second. We were able

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Speaker 1: to win all but a race that was very much

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Speaker 1: associated with Donald Trump and with twenty twenty election issues.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not somebody thinks it was a clean election,

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Speaker 1: but that, to me, that becomes irrelevant at some point

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Speaker 1: unless we're talking about fixes to the election. Do you

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Speaker 1: think there's anything Is this an unfalsified bable claim. Now

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Speaker 1: for many people, the twenty election was stolen and therefore

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. We just have to have Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: again because he'll win this time. There's so there's two

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Speaker 1: elements to that. One is the people who I don't

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Speaker 1: think are annoying who say, hey, man, it was taken

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Speaker 1: from Trump unjustly, let him have another rematch. I don't

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Speaker 1: actually get upset by that point of view. I don't

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Speaker 1: agree with that. I think wrong, but that's within the

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Speaker 1: realm of reasonable dischorus. But there's fortunately it's not ten percent,

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Speaker 1: but it's probably one to three percent who would say, well, buck,

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Speaker 1: you bring up Georgia. But that's because they the voting machine.

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Speaker 1: People let these Republicans win. That's what they'll tell you

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Speaker 1: that there's control now to a level of granularity where

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Speaker 1: they can say, okay, well let this guy Republican win

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Speaker 1: and that one win, but we're not going to let

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Speaker 1: that one win. Those people drive me insane. Honestly, they

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Speaker 1: not insane, but they annoy me the way Internet spam

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Speaker 1: annoys me. And there's no reaching them. That's the bigger

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Speaker 1: is say, a percentage of people who they're not open

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Speaker 1: to reason. You can't say, hey, look we just had

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Speaker 1: an election, barely one why they barely won well, Florida

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Speaker 1: that map. We now have people attacking de Santas's redistricting

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Speaker 1: map in Florida, which is the only reason the House

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Speaker 1: so there's barely a Republican majority. That's because of ld

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Speaker 1: In de Santas, not because the Trump Trump seemed to

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Speaker 1: t twenty election. And that would be the logical case

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Speaker 1: that I make. No that they're having you know, they're

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Speaker 1: having none of it. Can I ask you, you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and the rise of the Trump movement, are

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Speaker 1: you accused like? What are what are people who are

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Speaker 1: very who are so pro Trump that they don't want

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Speaker 1: you're making. Is the response that you've you've turned on Trump.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like you would have the credibility to say,

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Speaker 1: I still think a lot of what Trump did is great,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate Trump, but I at this on this issue,

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Speaker 1: I break from some of the narrative. Right, do you

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Speaker 1: get any leeway for that? Well? I do from people

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Speaker 1: who know right. You don't see a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who are insiders saying too much because what I say

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Speaker 1: is actually true. But the funny, the funny criticism of

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Speaker 1: me is, and this is again because of maybe the

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Speaker 1: way that people are spoken to who are trump mooters.

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Speaker 1: You're either Trump or you're never Trump. And if you're

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Speaker 1: never Trump, you're the dispatch. And no, what do you

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Speaker 1: do with a guy who is hated by the never

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Speaker 1: trumpers despies. I'm sure you knew, especially in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: because I was pro Trump and I was knocking metaphorically

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Speaker 1: knocking heads of these dishonest conservative pipe piper leaders right.

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Speaker 1: So to me, if I were Trump people, I would

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Speaker 1: be worried. I would say, Okay, we know where Cerovic was.

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Speaker 1: He's not there now. He's so far over Trump, and

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Speaker 1: we need to find out why, and we need to

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Speaker 1: fix up with the inter is that they don't want

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Speaker 1: to engage with realities. So the realities. I sent you

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Speaker 1: an article from twenty seventeen Foreign Policy magazine. So people go,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially people who are new to politics, go

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Speaker 1: cerna of it. You're never Trumper, You're a nobody, You're

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Speaker 1: a loser without Trump or nothing, blah blah blah. And

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Speaker 1: here's all I gotta say. I was under federal investigation

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Speaker 1: into the sabotage efforts directed at Trump were so truthful

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Speaker 1: and effective that they wanted to shut me down. The

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Speaker 1: I reported that this person was looking to get Trump

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Speaker 1: I reported that in twenty seventeen, the name and everything

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Speaker 1: which you can't even say lo and behold the name resurfaces.

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Speaker 1: And oh, the same guy that I said in twenty

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Speaker 1: for something that I warned you about. So when people

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Speaker 1: come at me with these ridiculous slander at this point,

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Speaker 1: the idea that that um that I I mean, never

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, I said, I'm pretty much over this guy.

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Speaker 1: There's no real point and in doing this right point

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Speaker 1: Trump Agenda. I'm sorry, Mike, guess what I mean? Did?

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Speaker 1: Did the Trump Agenda get subverted by people that Trump

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Speaker 1: seen through? Right? What was it within Trump's control? Or

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Speaker 1: the wall, for example. Well, you know the answer to that.

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Speaker 1: You were at Trump DC, and I'm sure you heard

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Speaker 1: were never Trumper. In twenty sixteen and twenty fifteen, that

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Speaker 1: was the quote unquote joke. If you want a job

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Speaker 1: of things at State Department. You know, you can talk

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Speaker 1: to people like Amanda Militis is still loyal to Trump.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the people who are put in control, we're

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Speaker 1: all never Trumpers. And people would go and say, why

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Speaker 1: of raised his hand, you know, yeah, how did that happen?

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Speaker 1: Though you know you were there. How did that happen?

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Speaker 1: How did never Trumpers take over the Trump administration? Seems bizarre.

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Speaker 1: Everybody shares a mission, everybody wants to make money. Oh,

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Speaker 1: poor Trump was naive, which I hate that line. I'm

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Speaker 1: Oh poor Mike, helpless little baby, he didn't know. He's

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Speaker 1: didn't know how vicious it was gonna be. Well he didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he had people telling them this. People like

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Speaker 1: now what can I do? How do I make this happen?

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Speaker 1: He fell right into the trap when firing Flynned with

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Speaker 1: support me? And then of course Mike Pompeo started getting

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Speaker 1: who's getting fired today? Right? Rich Higgins Rest in peace?

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Speaker 1: Who you know succumbed to various medical conditions. A couple

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Speaker 1: He wrote this memo explaining how China All this is true.

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Speaker 1: Now if you go read the Rich Higgens memo, everything

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Speaker 1: are so close, everything like that really does matter, and

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Speaker 1: you need someone who's going to focus on that. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is the part of it that I also got

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Speaker 1: very frustrated after twenty twenty because anybody who wants to

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Speaker 1: talk about how we can find when there's illegal ballot harving,

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Speaker 1: ballot harvesting, find that stop that. Anybody wants to talk

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Speaker 1: about mail in ballot campaigns for Republicans, how we need

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Speaker 1: to match fight fire with fire, and say, look at Florida,

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Speaker 1: look at Rhndissantis just did in his reelection. Mail in

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Speaker 1: ballots can be done. It can be done safely and securely,

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Speaker 1: but you need to get the stuff set up. I'm

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Speaker 1: all about that. And looking for fraud and setting up

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Speaker 1: systems to catch fraud, I'm all about that too. But

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Speaker 1: whenever I say to them, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: it's scoreboard and if they put up the points and

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Speaker 1: we can't prove that they cheated, thinking they cheated is

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Speaker 1: one thing. Fine, Yeah, sure I think they cheated, but

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Speaker 1: I think they always cheat. If we can't prove it,

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Speaker 1: we lose. And this is just where we come to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I had people in the months after the election.

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Speaker 1: still in office. I'm talking about you know, let's say

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Speaker 1: April of twenty twenty one. I'd say, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: President Biden, and I'd be at live events. They say,

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Speaker 1: don't call him that, he's not the president, and I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at him like, guys, you know he is the president.

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Speaker 1: You can say, he cheated, and it sucks and I

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Speaker 1: wish it weren't the case, but like you know, we

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Speaker 1: got we gotta push through this a little bit. And

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Speaker 1: I just worry that the thinking of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: obsession is going to be a big problem for us

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. And I try to tell Joe

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Speaker 1: biden't look, yes, everything you say about him, He's a clown.

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Speaker 1: His son is a disaster. They're criminals, They pedal influenced.

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Speaker 1: I mean, no one criticizes him and sees it I

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Speaker 1: think more clearly than I do. I mean, other people

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Speaker 1: see it the same way. But Mike, he's gonna get

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Speaker 1: forty nine percent of the vote, right, I mean that's

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Speaker 1: where we are. And I just need everybody on the

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Speaker 1: right to understand that because I see these polls. Oh,

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Speaker 1: people think Biden shouldn't run again. Guess what if he

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Speaker 1: runs again, those people who are Democrats are going to

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Speaker 1: vote for him without a second thought. We just had

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Speaker 1: an election. That's why I tell people too. People send

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Speaker 1: me polls here and there, and I go, we just

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Speaker 1: a few months after a midterm? Yeah? Right, that's how

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Speaker 1: I feel about polls. This sixty one percent of the

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Speaker 1: country says that it's going to the wrong direction. Great,

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Speaker 1: we had an election and sixty one percent of the

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Speaker 1: electorate didn't vote Republican. Right, we didn't have that slave

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Speaker 1: that we thought. It was all very close, hotly contested elections.

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Speaker 1: Um Bobert almost sawst hearsy. It was. It was brutal,

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Speaker 1: and again without the Santest and Zelden, it very well

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Speaker 1: may have been a narrow majority under Nancy Pelosi for

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Speaker 1: another two years. I don't know the pull. And this

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Speaker 1: is again my biggest problem with the right, and probably

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Speaker 1: this spoils into my overall life philosophy. We if you

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Speaker 1: have an audience, you have to be a leader, and

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Speaker 1: you have to lead your people in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: You do not pander to their delusions because you want

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Speaker 1: another click, you want another retweet or whatever. I've never

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Speaker 1: pander to everything I've said, even the things which are

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Speaker 1: even the crazy things I've said, are aging better than

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Speaker 1: maybe I thought. It's because I believe it, and I

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Speaker 1: want to steer my people in the right direction and

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Speaker 1: telling telling our people, oh, yeah, sixty one percent Biden

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Speaker 1: wrong direct, I say, shake them up. Did you not

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Speaker 1: pay attention to what has happened? Two hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: two seats, And it turns out Sam knows we're gonna

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Speaker 1: just plan on losing that one. So you need to

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Speaker 1: just be thinking already, how are you getting get bobert reelected?

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Speaker 1: She double recounts, right, barely. That's how close everything is

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Speaker 1: going to be. Every vote counts Orange County, there's still

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Speaker 1: one seat shy of where it was before the ballot

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Speaker 1: harvesting of twenty eighteen. So even though the California GOP

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Speaker 1: has gained ground and retook a bunch of the seats

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Speaker 1: that were wrongfully taken in twenty eighteen, there's still sheets

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Speaker 1: a seat shot. I was thinking of sheets. I was

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Speaker 1: thinking of the guys a dreams sheets actually, But it's

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Speaker 1: the electoral seats. And that's what we have to do,

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Speaker 1: is you shake our people up, you guys. You need

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Speaker 1: to focus on the right issues. I think that's that's essential.

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Speaker 1: M I want to ask a question. We'll hold because

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Speaker 1: I have to have to give a word to our

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Speaker 1: sponsor for a second, Mike, but when come back, I

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Speaker 1: want you to address this. Why is Mike Sarnovich considered

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Speaker 1: so controversial. I want to we can we get into

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Speaker 1: that a little bit, because you know, I follow your

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Speaker 1: Twitter and I'll sometime say it. Even sometimes people in

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Speaker 1: the right like, oh, well, I never get really, oh Cernovich,

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Speaker 1: he's so controversial, like the are the people in the

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Speaker 1: black helicopters are gonna come and kidnap me because I

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Speaker 1: follow Cernovich on Twitter and like some of the stuff.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back back into that in a second. But

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Speaker 1: the Tunnel of the Towers Foundation, I'm sure so many

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Speaker 1: of you heard about it does phenomenal work, really important work,

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Speaker 1: t twot dot org. That's t the number two t

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Speaker 1: dot org. All right, Mike Cernovich controversial? Why do they

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Speaker 1: come after you so hard? Man? Well? What do you

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Speaker 1: do to upset the apparatus so much? Yeah? I often

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Speaker 1: say I'm probably the most widely read person that people

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Speaker 1: won't admit that they read because I'll say something no

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Speaker 1: one else had ever said, and then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden that's circulating widely and largely. The reason I'm controversial

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Speaker 1: or seeing that way is in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: I viewed the presidency as an existential crisis, and stopping

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton was the most important thing that I could

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Speaker 1: have ever possibly have done with my life and I

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Speaker 1: didn't have kids. I honestly didn't care if that election

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Speaker 1: killed me. I didn't where I was at the time,

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Speaker 1: we would have been in World War three with Syria

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Speaker 1: and Hillary Clinton one. So as much as I you know,

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Speaker 1: Trump this all the criticism is buffered by the fact

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Speaker 1: that we prevented World War three by working to elect Trump,

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Speaker 1: and everyone should feel good about that for humanity. It

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Speaker 1: was one of the greatest gifts that we could have

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Speaker 1: given humanity in our lives, and Trump deserves all the

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Speaker 1: credit for that. But if twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, I

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Speaker 1: was pretty mean, if you were a you know, conservative,

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Speaker 1: was the term like, we've we fought viciously and we weren't.

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Speaker 1: We weren't nice to people. So I made a lot

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Speaker 1: of enemies, which, as you know, that's not a good

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Speaker 1: way to be an influencer or a media personality. It's

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Speaker 1: not good. Like lately, I think Jordan Peterson has been

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Speaker 1: doing things to sabotage the right. Who's he going to

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Speaker 1: criticize Jordan Peterson? Accept me. Nobody can say that I'm wrong, right,

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Speaker 1: everybody in my notification is when I said, well, wait,

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Speaker 1: why is Jordan Peterson calling out Christian rufo Into Santez

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Speaker 1: for trying to reform higher education when Jordan's whole brand

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Speaker 1: is the far left. Is it going too far? Well, okay, so,

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Speaker 1: but legislative action is happening, and now you suddenly have

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Speaker 1: a problem. No one else but me is gonna say that,

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Speaker 1: because well, one then you're gonna get You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be on the podcast circle. You know, I'm I'm persona

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Speaker 1: on Garrata because Jordan Peterson is a you know, perfect saint.

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Speaker 1: But you notice, if you ever read the replies, nobody

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Speaker 1: says cert of it's you're factually incorrect. They go, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're jealous, his book sells more than you, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Which is you know, and anybody who knows can attest.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to ever get on anyone's podcast. I

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Speaker 1: always say, find an email on me trying to trying

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Speaker 1: to be on someone's podcast, right, that's so far from

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Speaker 1: where I don't want to do. But there's no one

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Speaker 1: who if I think you're steering the right in a

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Speaker 1: bad direction or the country in a bad direction, I

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Speaker 1: don't care how popular you are. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: you have this halo effect on you. So I'll criticize

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Speaker 1: Trump and Jordan Peterson the same tweet, and then that

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Speaker 1: that then I'm controversial. Now Osernovich is at it again

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Speaker 1: rather than just say okay, well, but is he actually

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Speaker 1: correct though? Is this this is a correct point. So

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Speaker 1: a live of it is vibe and aura because I

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Speaker 1: got I mean, I go hard. That's why I don't

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Speaker 1: play um. I don't ask for sympathy or pity party

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Speaker 1: because I do go hard and people people go hard

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Speaker 1: back to me. But that's more where you know, why

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Speaker 1: people see me as controversial, because yeah, I do go

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Speaker 1: I do go hard. If I think you're you're up

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Speaker 1: to something that's steering the right wing in a wrong direction,

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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna come at you in a way that

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Speaker 1: other people won't. Speaking of the Jordan Peterson, I mean

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Speaker 1: one thing that I do think is getting a lot

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Speaker 1: more attention. That's Jordan Peterson. And then more recently there's

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Speaker 1: been um Andrew Tate, who, as I speak to you,

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Speaker 1: is still in prison. They have leveled all these allegations

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Speaker 1: against him. He's an American citizen who has not been

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Speaker 1: afforded time before a judge. They're just holding him. He

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Speaker 1: says he's innocent. The charges are are very serious. But

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Speaker 1: we know that he was speaking, particularly in the last

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Speaker 1: six months or so, a lot about what it means

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Speaker 1: to be a man, what young men should hear. And

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Speaker 1: people say, oh, we said all these terrible things the past.

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Speaker 1: I say, oh, well, that may well be true, but

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Speaker 1: there is still a need, regardless of any individual, regardless

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Speaker 1: of any influencer, to look at the all out assault

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Speaker 1: on masculinity and this is a real thing. We're all

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Speaker 1: aware of it that is underway. Toxic masculinity as a

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Speaker 1: term is something that kids are learning in school and

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Speaker 1: being taught that they should be aware of. Do you

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Speaker 1: think the right is doing is beginning to do enough?

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Speaker 1: I guess say, hey, you know, have we The term woke,

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Speaker 1: I'm want to be like, oh, well, not wokeness, but

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Speaker 1: are we waking up to the all out assault on

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Speaker 1: masculinity and gender as part of the leftist program as

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Speaker 1: something that is an intentional part of strategy. That realization

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Speaker 1: because he was seen as someone who really kind of

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Speaker 1: understood that that's why I think that Trump's most recent

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Speaker 1: nasty comments about the Santaest is just going to fail. Right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: here's the Santist at a graduation party. And they're like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: so here's a young de Santest and doing a normal thing.

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Speaker 1: And now so now they're trying to flip that, which

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Speaker 1: is what I by the way, I have no I

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00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: have no tolerance for the Oh he was a twenty

638
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: three year old teacher who posed in a photo with

639
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: some of his students and like, maybe one of them

640
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: had a beer. Let's let's charge it with some let's

641
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: let's allege or insinuate some kind of sexual impropriety. That

642
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: is that is bleeping garbage to do, and everybody knows it. Yeah,

643
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: and that was the graduation party, so you know, as

644
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: you know now it's a different era. But yeah, you go, oh,

645
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: that's our high school teacher come to a graduation party.

646
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: That wasn't a weird thing. And if you actually because

647
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: the New York Times reported all of this and they

648
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: said he didn't try anything, He didn't do anything. He

649
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: just showed up to a graduation party. The kids are like, oh, hey,

650
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: how you doing, How you doing, teacher? And he's like

651
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: hi and walks away. And then the New York Times,

652
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: the New York Times couldn't even turn that into anything right.

653
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: So if you go back and read it, when they

654
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: tried that, everybody said, oh, yeah, nothing weird happened. Oh

655
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: but in hindsight, he shouldn't have done it, right, that's

656
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: where they lend it to. So that just shows that

657
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: people playing into that narrative. They're playing into the left

658
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: wing narrative, which is that Okay, so if you're a

659
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: twenty three year old or twenty two to twenty four

660
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: year old man and you're with an adult woman just

661
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: in the room, you're a groomer. Now where did that

662
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: come from? That's left wing orthodoxy right there. So that's

663
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: where the people have again lost a plot. That's how

664
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work. But that shows how deep the memes

665
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: are now when people on the right don't realize, oh, yeah,

666
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm actually being played, or for example, the the Andrew

667
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: Tate thing, now people are if you go read those articles, boy,

668
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: the headlines don't match what's in the story. The headline

669
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: is the latest BBC one I read was oh, and

670
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm in trouble for the Andrew Tait thing too, because

671
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: we've had cigars together too. So that's another reason I'm controversial.

672
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: So I've been embroiled in scandal after scandal where that

673
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: because I've smoked cigars with Andrew Tate. I have to

674
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, I have to either disavow him and convict him,

675
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: or I'm just like, wait a minute, why don't you

676
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: read the articles? The latest BBC article was a woman

677
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: who said that, oh, yeah, I did cam and he

678
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: gave me half the money, but I felt like he

679
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: manipulated me. Oh and she had done sex work before.

680
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: And then she left and they broke up. Right, So

681
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: the headline is Andrew Tate abusive boyfriend, manipulator and I go, okay, well,

682
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: maybe this is finally, maybe they have something finally, And

683
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: then you read it and I go, wait a minute.

684
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: So he had a relationship with a sex worker. He

685
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: tried to get into camp, she didn't want to. Eventually

686
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: she did. He split the money with their fifty fifty.

687
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: She decided their relationship was toxic. That goes both ways.

688
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: Relationships with men and women are both toxic. That happens

689
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: regardless of gender. And then she broke up with them

690
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: and left it's like, okay, but we're being told that

691
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: the Tape Brothers are the real life Taken movie. That's

692
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: the narrative. The narrative is they're kidnapping people. The narrative

693
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: isn't that they're bad Boyfriend's human traffick. Human trafficking is

694
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: the allegation they're using human trafficking, which is which is

695
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: a heinous crime, right something people should go to prison

696
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: for decades for Haine's crime. I mean to the human

697
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: trafficking allegation. I've also read in the just in the

698
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: stories that there are people that are were allegedly human

699
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: trafficked who are coming and going on video as they

700
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: please with cell phones and buying designer handbags. So right,

701
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: if if that's if that's human trafficking, I know, I

702
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: do think you start to get to well, it is

703
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: the coercive Is it just the psychological brainwashing creates the

704
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: coercive force? But how do you measure that? Yes, and

705
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: we need to talk about that because that's the latest.

706
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: That's the latest ploy the late because two of these

707
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: two of the women who are free and walking around,

708
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: they're the victims. And the Ukrainian judge said, oh, you've

709
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: been brainwashed by the man. That's all left wing. So

710
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: the left wing now, that's why I was so disgusted

711
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: by Trump's tweet referring to the santests. And that is grooming.

712
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: Oh so we're the left now. And if you're an

713
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: adult man with a woman who was eighteen or older,

714
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: you are now a groomer. Groomors what happens to children, right,

715
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Grooming is at something that you do not I personally,

716
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: if I'm twenty four and I'm a high school teacher

717
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: at that era, you just go to a graduation party

718
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: because you don't think anything of it, because you're actually

719
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: not a scumbag. Right, If you're a scumbag, you wouldn't say, like, oh,

720
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: take a picture of me because I want I want

721
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: proof that I gave your graduation. It'd be the opposite.

722
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: But that is left ing orthodoxy is they're going back now.

723
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: And you can see this in a lot of the

724
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: cases and the theory. The theory is that if you're

725
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: you're so man, your man brain is so powerful, and

726
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: then by extension, the female brain is so manipulable that

727
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: men are now emotionally manipulating women into doing things the

728
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: woman doesn't want to do and even if she doesn't leave,

729
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: and in fact, by not leaving, that proves your man

730
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: brain is so strong that you're able to exercise his

731
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: mind control over you know, fully formed adult women. That's

732
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: where it is. Because yeah, these two women said they

733
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: were on video and they're like, oh yeah, you know Andrew,

734
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: he was nice, we love him and everything. And I

735
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: thought to myself, well, you could find How would I

736
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: know this isn't just two random Romanian women? How do

737
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: I know these are the two women in the court case?

738
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: Because for me, I feel like I have a duty

739
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: to present if the Taps are being railroaded, I have

740
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: a duty to say something. So I saw that video

741
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: and I even tweeted, how could I know these women

742
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: are really his girlfriends? Right? How do you know? And

743
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: then you read the court Oh yeah, as it turns

744
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: out they are. They told the judge we don't want

745
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: anything to do with this, and the judge said, too bad.

746
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: I didn't realize by the way, you were so up

747
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: on this story. Do you believe the Tates are being railroaded? Well,

748
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: I certainly believe based on what I've seen that the

749
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: evidence is not matching the allegations and the media, because

750
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: if you're telling you there are six victims and two

751
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: of them have said we're not, and you're saying we

752
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: don't care. If they say they're not, they still are,

753
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: then that means that a lot of pressure has been applied,

754
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: probably to the other four. I did see this, by

755
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: the way, and one of the reports there were women

756
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: who have come forward who are considered to be some

757
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: of the human trafficking victims, who have told the court

758
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: and this is on record or told the authorities. I

759
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: should say, police, that's laughable. We meaning these two women,

760
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: I think there are six that we were absolutely not

761
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: human traffic human trafficking victims. That is reported right now, right,

762
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: so we know for a fact two of six say

763
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: we're not, and we know the judge said we don't

764
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: care you are. So what's they say about the other four?

765
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: Were they leaned on, were they pressured? Were they real

766
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: last why? I would like to see evidence. So then

767
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: the BBC goes, oh, we met one of the taps

768
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: old girlfriends and he's a terrible, terrible guy. And then

769
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: I go, okay, well, let's read the article and that's

770
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: the article I just mentioned. Do you think the Biden

771
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: administration is putting pressure on Romania in this regard? Is

772
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: that just too far fetched? People have reached out to

773
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: me to say they think that that is an element here.

774
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: If you believe the Tates are being railroaded, and we

775
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: need to say that's an if do would you believe

776
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: that the Biden administration may have a hand in that.

777
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: I think that it's more subtle than that. I think

778
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: that just like the DNC doesn't have to tell Twitter

779
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: to take things down, take down the FBI does. I

780
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: think with the Taits, you had guys who were trying

781
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: to be basically tweet out rap lyrics. Right whenever people go, oh,

782
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: here's this horrible video Andrew take I say, you know what,

783
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: if you're like me and you want to band pornography

784
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: and you don't believe rap music should be listened to

785
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: because you think you're hypnotizing yourself to negative lyrics. If

786
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: you want to band, I don't know what you heard

787
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: about me, but I'm a pimp from the radio, then

788
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in what you have to say about

789
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: offensive videos. So we're gonna ban Snoop Dogg the pimp.

790
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna be in all that rap music that talks

791
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: about pimping. Right, Oh no, no, you don't want to

792
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: do that. Oh you don't want to be in pornography. Oh,

793
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: less interesting. So you participate in pornography or watch it.

794
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: But then if a man is involved in the production,

795
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: now he's a groomer trafficker. Even if the woman said

796
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: you willingly did it, and if you talk like a rapper,

797
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: then that has to be taken is true, But rap music,

798
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: you see, there's no coherence to it. So what I

799
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: think happen is pretty simple. You are the tates. You

800
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: want to get known, You make exaggerated claims, and then

801
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: you start saying that you're bribing government officials that you're

802
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: not really bribing. What do you think is going to happen? Right?

803
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: That falls into the category of what do you think

804
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 1: is going to happen? You're embarrassing people, You're embarrassing powerful people.

805
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that there are people on the right

806
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: who when Tate was talking about how the corruption works

807
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: in his favor, and this just I draw on my

808
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: background in the CIA and learning a lot about other governments,

809
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: which is the most fascinating part of being in the CIA,

810
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: because obviously we got a lot of info. You know,

811
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: other government. We do have more sophisticated technology. We do

812
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: get a view that they don't want us to have, obviously.

813
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: And the one thing that will get you in trouble

814
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: in a corrupt country is bragging about the corruption in

815
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: that country that you say is in your favor. That's like,

816
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: it's like the first rule of fight club is never

817
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: talking about fight club. You're in a corrupt country, Eastern Europe,

818
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: anywhere else in the world, and it's working out for you,

819
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: It's going to stop working out for you the moment

820
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: that you say, oh, yeah, the corruption here benefits me.

821
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: I think. I think the tates that's a that's a

822
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: lesson from this process, irrespective of everything else, you know,

823
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: the whether they're pressure being brought to bear to bring

824
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: these charges, etc. Whether they're guilty or not, which I

825
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: don't know and I don't profess to know, um, but

826
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: I do think that you don't want to talk about

827
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: corruption in a corrupt country if you're if you're planning

828
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: on staying there right, if you're really doing it too,

829
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: which makes me believe that they it was just I

830
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: think it was just all an act. I thought they're

831
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to be real life rappers. They were,

832
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: they were mimicking what rappers say, and that because if

833
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: you're really bribing people and bragging about it, then I

834
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: have to reconsider my view of you, right, And there's

835
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: nothing about the Tates then indicates that they're not, that

836
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: they're low IQ. Right. You can say they're evil, you

837
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: can say you can say whatever, that's a moral judgment.

838
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: You can say it they're evil, but nobody has ever

839
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: said they're not. I don't know Tristan really, but I

840
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: mean I've just from what I've seen in interviews with Andrew,

841
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: he's a he's clearly a high IQ individual like that,

842
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: that is obvious. Right, So if you're high IQ, you're

843
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: bribing government officials, would brag about bribing government officials, right,

844
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I see it. And then of

845
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: course people who don't like the Tastes have to wrestle

846
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: with the corruption issue, namely that the Tastes were arrested

847
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: in March twenty twenty, they were released the next day

848
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: because apparently video evidence cleared them. Then they get re

849
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: arrested in December. Okay, so was Ukraine corrupted March when

850
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: they let them go are they corrupt? Now? Why aren't

851
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: they being tried? Why are they being held? You know,

852
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: because Ukraine has this weird system where you can be

853
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: charged but not really tried. Is this literal m Yeah, Romania.

854
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: They're in Romania and they can be held. I think

855
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: you can be held. I read that you can be

856
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: held for up to a year without actually having a trial.

857
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: A year I mean now J six J six defendants

858
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: can apparently in DC be held for about eighteen months

859
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: in solitary for in some cases non violent crimes. So

860
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna poke it. Romaaning on this would

861
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: and say, oh my god, oh my god. But as

862
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: we know, if you get on the wrong side of

863
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: the deep state in this country, that can happen to you.

864
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you though on a more

865
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: on a more positive and constructive note, four young men,

866
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: because one thing, one thing that I can tell does

867
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: really rattle the left is when young men have this

868
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: moment of recognition that the left wants them to be miserable, unhappy, weak, controlled,

869
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, effectively, you know, low T low IQ,

870
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: do what you're told, Triple Masks, get your seventh booster shot,

871
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: and you know, sit there, call yourself a male feminist.

872
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: Don't excel, don't exceed, don't you know, suppress all your

873
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: masculine urges. And the right actually has people, by the way,

874
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: like you and others who are saying, no, actually being

875
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: a man is what you are meant to do, and

876
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: that that inspires I think young men. I think there's

877
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: something important there. Well, that's where I had to thread

878
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: the needle that I find interesting too about the Tate

879
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: thing because the Tates were giving a message of that

880
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't even agree with, which is, oh, you need

881
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: a car, need the watches, you need the swag. And

882
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: I realized they were just doing that for marketing. So

883
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: that's why I think the Tate thing is such an

884
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: interesting phenomena, because a right wing critique of the Tates

885
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: would be, well, if you're chasing watches and cars, you're

886
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: actually chasing left wing secular hedonism, right, You're not You're

887
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: not teaching. And I realized it takes it more. And

888
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have the tape people. Matt. I love this

889
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna have the Tate haters man, because they're

890
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: gonna say I defended him, and I'm gonna have the

891
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: tape super fans mad because they're saying that I'm like

892
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: somehow attacking them, right, But the way I look at

893
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: it is that we'd I You know, you don't ever

894
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: see me fronted, never see me flexing. You don't want

895
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: to do that which you want to teach young men,

896
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: Find your purpose, find your mission. You're allowed to have one.

897
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: You don't have to live for women, because too much

898
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: of a conservative Christian movement, unfortunately, is, oh, you're a man,

899
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: you know your job is to be like a pack mule,

900
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: loads yourself up and well where it's not even necessarily biblical, right,

901
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: So where are you even getting at the Bible. So

902
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: there's a there's a third way, which is masculinity is

903
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: about finding your mission and finding your purpose, waking up

904
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: and trying to accomplish something right, trying to fight with

905
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: the dragons, trying to wrestle with depression, trying to have

906
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: some vibe right, some aura. So much of that, so

907
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: much of it is a feeling. And that's what men

908
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: not only need to be told, but that's what people

909
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: like us have to try to model in our own way.

910
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: But to say, hey, look, man, you're gonna get beat

911
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: up people are gonna say stuff about you, this nasty.

912
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: I've been attacked over a lines of blue and tape.

913
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: Imagine the same three weeks, you're attacked for allegedly the

914
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: human trafficking thing, and then allegedly for knowing somebody who

915
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: is allegedly maybe has an alternative narrative on her own

916
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: traffing story. Right, and but you just but that's where

917
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: you just as a man, you just say, man, this

918
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: is part of life. Right, How lucky it is that

919
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: we get to do this all day and we get

920
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: to take these attacks. Imagine how our lives could have

921
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: ended up so differently or so much less interesting. I

922
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: do think that's important. I do think that the same

923
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: way that if you believe in you know, the the

924
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: duality that is that essential to our existence. Right, if

925
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: you believe in heaven, you believe in hell. If you

926
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: believe in good, you believe in evil. With those with

927
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: the basic framework for understanding our day to day lives

928
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: in place or our existence, I should say, you're going

929
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: to piss some people off because if there are if

930
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: there's evil in the world, there are people doing evil,

931
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: and if you're going to do something about it, you're

932
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: going to upset those who are wrong. You're going to

933
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: upset those who are making the world a worst place.

934
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: So while you know I don't go out there looking

935
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: to stick my thumb in the eye of people, there

936
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: are people whose hatred or disdain or whatever is a

937
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: badge of honor. And I do feel that way right

938
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: And you know you're smiling. You do enjoy poking your finger.

939
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: It's okay to admit that. Okay, Okay, that's true, Okay

940
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: to tell It's okay to tell men you know what.

941
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: Conflict is good, but it needs to be conflict for

942
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: the right cause. Rights. It's okay to have a little

943
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: bit of indignation if it's righteous INDI Nation. It's not

944
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: okay to be a Karen. It's not okay to be

945
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: crying over nonsense. It's not okay to hate women or

946
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: to say because you have some bad dating experiences at all,

947
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: women are like that or is And it's not okay

948
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: to just be a pack mule to let get walked on. Either.

949
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: Conflict is okay, but you need to again find that

950
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: purpose within yourself and then find out that it's a

951
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: righteous cause, and then conflict is good and it's necessary.

952
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: And I think it's very healthy and it's very masculine.

953
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: One thing I want to ask you about. You know,

954
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: there's this trend I'm sure you've seen of women shaming

955
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: men for allegedly looking at them in the gym, right

956
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: if you've seen this, and this has got a lot

957
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: of attention recently. There's a lot of things I would

958
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: say by this. I mean, I go to a gym

959
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: down here in Florida where I've never experienced this before

960
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: in New York City, but there are a lot of

961
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: women in the gym who are you know. I just

962
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: got married recently too, so I've got got the blinder song.

963
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of women in the gym

964
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: who are influencers. Some of them are known to other

965
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: Jim staffers, for example, as having very lucrative only fans careers,

966
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: things like that, and so that's very common here in

967
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: South Florida at certain gyms. You're just gonna look at

968
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: this where for people look a certain way, they have

969
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: to spend a certain amount of time at the gym.

970
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: And I get all that, but I worry that women

971
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: are are not being given good messages and a variety

972
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: of ways about their beauty and that it is now

973
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: being it is now thought of more than ever as

974
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: a commodity, meaning the monetizeable, that your sexuality and your

975
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: beauty as a woman is a monetizeable asset first and

976
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: foremost beyond anything else instead of something so yes, of course,

977
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: be charity. You know you have a lovely wife. I

978
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: have a lovely wife. I would say, you know, you

979
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: can trust a guy with a lovely wife. But that's

980
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: the point is actually to appreciate beauty and to also

981
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: to see it for what it is. And for a

982
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: lot of these women, I think to find a great

983
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know we're supposed to say life partner,

984
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: but husband, I mean to find somebody to build a

985
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: life with. And attraction is important in all this. And

986
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: I just think that now you have a lot of

987
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: these women who won are very insecure, even though they're

988
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: very good looking, because there's a hyper focus on it

989
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: because of social media. And two it's just like an

990
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: ATM machine now and they wait until they're forty and

991
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: then they turn around they're like, well, I'm so beautiful

992
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: now I want my husband gets a lot harder, Well,

993
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: it gets yeah, it gets a lot harder for men too,

994
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: And that's something that I've noticed that when you watch videos.

995
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: One actually good TikTok trend is day go and ask

996
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: older people, oh, how old are you and they'll say,

997
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: I'm sixty five. What's sixty five feel like? And one

998
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: of the themes is that you see the world the

999
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: same way, but you're old now, right, And if you're

1000
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: a man, you usually have more self awareness and realize, Okay,

1001
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm an old old guy now, And for

1002
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: oftentimes the women, it's harder to make that transition, which

1003
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: is in your mind, like you know, you're forty one,

1004
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm forty five, and our minds were still like twenty five, right,

1005
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: And that's actually how men get injured doing things because

1006
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I no, no. My wife asked me

1007
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: earlier to climb a tree and I was like, I'm

1008
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: not going to climb that tree. She goes, well, I

1009
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: go because if I fall down, I'm gonna hurt man.

1010
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: You know if I were, we're still there. Yeah, keep going. Yeah,

1011
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: And so the world looks at you differently and a

1012
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: lot of people have to accept that. But as to

1013
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: h the gem thing, it's like a lingerat show Man.

1014
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes it really is ridiculous. One gem I going. I

1015
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: started going on a different hour because I don't I

1016
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: don't want to just have those curient thoughts like I

1017
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: don't watch pornography. I try to avoid the IG. I

1018
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: changed my algorithm so I don't see you know, all

1019
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Go ahead, No, no, no no, I

1020
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to interrupt you. I just I think this

1021
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: is so important for men while while while promoting masculinity.

1022
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: And look, I'm the first to admit I drank too

1023
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: much in my twenties. I should have worked out more.

1024
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: I should have gotten more sleep, you know, twenties in

1025
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: into my thirties. I you know that there were some

1026
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: things that I would change definitely about my behavior. I

1027
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: will say I've actually never said this before on radio

1028
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: or on podcasts, but I made the decision, maybe it

1029
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: was about fifteen years ago, to just just no pornography,

1030
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: just like not you know, just no pornography, because I

1031
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: really started to feel like there was a desensitization that

1032
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: occurs from it where you can appreciate, you know, just

1033
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: everyday female beauty. And I think that it really does

1034
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: damaging things to the male mind. Um if especially if

1035
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: you make it a habit of looking at at pornography.

1036
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: And I still feel like to this day when you

1037
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: say that, people think, oh, are you like, are you

1038
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: a Puritan? Do you wear like the shoes with the

1039
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: little buckles on them? Whatever? It's like, But I appeared

1040
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: in at all. I'man sitting here talking about like hot

1041
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: chicks in the gym. But but I do think that

1042
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: every you know that that balance and context and and

1043
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: understanding habits in which are habituated to as a man

1044
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: is really important. And it's the it's the grating too,

1045
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: I think. So for me, I went through large phases

1046
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: where I didn't I didn't watch it, and then I

1047
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: would get in a bad phase and then I wouldn't

1048
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: watch it, and then I just gave it up once

1049
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: and for all because I just not to be too crude,

1050
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: but I just I think it's undignified to turn on

1051
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: a laptop and get moisture. It's just disgusting. You're like,

1052
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: this is just like there there's if there's a night

1053
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: and I'm eating a bag of chips on the couch,

1054
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you're a disgusting person, you know, like,

1055
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Speaker 1: who are you like? And I get up and you know,

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Speaker 1: there's just the idea that if you're a man, you

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00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: should have some kind of basic level and dignity and

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00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, laying around with pringles in your face. It's

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00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: just a gross way to live. And the same thing too,

1060
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: is up gonna fire up the old laptop. That's gross. Man,

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00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: you don't want to live like that, right, You are

1062
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: capable of so much more as a man, How do you? Totally,

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, and I think that people

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00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: on the right should feel more Look, just people in

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00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: general should feel Guys in general should feel more comfortable

1066
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: talking about how the I think one of the ways

1067
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: that the apparatus tries to control you is actually is

1068
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: actually through the desensitization of the twenty four seven access

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00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: to pornography and the normalization of that. Like there's just

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00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, for a long time, people forget there was

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00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: more porn being watched on the internet than literally anything else.

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00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean, right, And again, I know it sounds like

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, like church lady, why are all

1074
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: the people watching the port It's like, no, that's not

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00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 1: It's not good for the guys who are doing it

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00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: as somebody who appreciates female beauty and thinks that you know,

1078
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: having a you know, having an attractive girlfriend or a

1079
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: wife or whatever something that should be aspirational for men.

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Speaker 1: And you know, attractiveness is in the eye of the

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00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: beholder and all that, and I get that too, but um,

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Speaker 1: I think that this is an area where there could

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00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: be a lot a lot more done. Mike. I could

1084
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: talk to you for like three hours, but I'm not

1085
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: quite at the level yet, like like the Rogan three

1086
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: hour long podcast, so we're gonna have to have you

1087
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: back for another time. Um. I just wanted what what

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00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: what it makes you feel positive about the future and

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00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: that you think people should hear. And then I want

1090
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: you to tell everybody where they should go to follow

1091
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: your work and just sort of see what you're what

1092
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: you're up to these days? Well, what makes me feel

1093
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: positive about the futurists? Always remember we just had the

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00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: one hundred anniversary, well recently we had the one hundredth

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00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: anniversary at the end of World War One, and I

1096
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: always encourage people to go read about that war and

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00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: what lives would have been like if we had been

1098
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: a draftable age and that in the Battle of Psalm

1099
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: and learn more and more and more about World War One.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite World War One book? Yeah,

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00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: Paul Fussell wrote a book. He also wrote a book

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Speaker 1: class about it, and I forget the book title, but

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00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: Paul Fussell's book on World War One is my favorite

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Speaker 1: because I's in a lot of poetry and a lot

1105
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: of the literary devices at the time, and the death

1106
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: tolls are literally incomprehensible. Would be like, right now, well

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00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: that happened, Okay, there's one hundred thousand men dead. That

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Speaker 1: makes me optimistic. Also, why we have to make sure

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Speaker 1: we don't bumble our way into it with Russia and

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Speaker 1: Ukraine because we bumbled into it. So that is really

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00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: is still the best time to be alive. Man, All this,

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Speaker 1: oh there's a war on men? This all that's true.

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00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: You would still never ever, ever if one had been

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00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: born in another air because there's a man. You can

1115
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: create your own destiny, right. I don't believe in living

1116
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: the life heatonist, but if you wanted to live a

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00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: life of Roman emperor as a man, you could. You

1118
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: could do that. And don't do that, guys, I don't

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00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: think that's a good way to live, but you could

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Speaker 1: there's no there's never been a time in the history

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00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: of the world where you, as a man can really

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00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: choose your own adventure if you want to work for it.

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Speaker 1: And every day I'm grateful because look at us, we're

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00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: talking like this. Now, this would have been impossible. We'd

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Speaker 1: have been working the fields as medieval peasants. Right. Yeah,

1126
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: we're hanging out talking and hundreds of thousands of people

1127
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: are gonna hear our conversation, maybe benefit from it a

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00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: little bit and be able to say, you know, I

1129
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: learned something or I have a different perspective on things.

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00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: And we didn't even have to leave our houses to

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00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: do it. It's really pretty crazy. And then people are

1132
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: able to listen to so even if they have a

1133
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: job that's maybe a little bit boring, well I had

1134
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: boring jobs too, and you didn't have pot. You had

1135
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: a portable CD player if you're lucky, a walkman or something.

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Speaker 1: So there's never been a better time to be alive,

1137
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Speaker 1: and people should recognize that where they follow all things Cernovich.

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Speaker 1: My sub stack is pretty good Mike Cernovich substack dot

1139
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: com and then Twitter at Cernovich. But the substack. We're

1140
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: doing things very little politics. There are much more culture, family,

1141
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: trying to scare things in a different direction. Awesome, Mike,

1142
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: great talking to you man. Ever since we hung out

1143
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: that time at the Trump Hotel, I figure we're going

1144
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: to be able to do a long form and we'll

1145
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Speaker 1: have you back because there's a lot more I'm sure people,

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00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: and I hope people will tell me what else they

1147
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: want you and me to talk about in the future,

1148
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: and as this podcast continues to grow in addition to

1149
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, the radio show I do, which fortunately is

1150
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: rather substantial. So we're going to keep keep this going. Mike,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time, and it's great

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Speaker 1: to see you. Thanks brother,