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Speaker 1: Ron an Aian.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a nursery rhyme and a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a fairy tale. Sometimes repairing automobiles, Some

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Speaker 2: broken cars defy the best efforts to repair those.

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Speaker 3: The car Doctor.

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Speaker 2: If you want to invest the money, the other way

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Speaker 2: to do this is go online and purchase a tire

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Speaker 2: pressure gauge used in racing, because I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: if they're using it at the racetrack to put air

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Speaker 2: and slicks and race tires, it's.

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Speaker 3: Got to be right.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Ananian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the

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Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 1: the phone and call in the garage doors.

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Speaker 2: Are open, but I am here to take your call

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Speaker 2: at eight five five five six ninety nine hundred and

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Speaker 2: now he's running My high school guidance counselor was right.

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Speaker 3: It is all about math.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome ronin any and the card Doctor here

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Speaker 2: at eight five five five six nine nine zero zero,

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Speaker 2: here to take your calls and answer your questions, whatever

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Speaker 2: they might be. If you've got a problem with your car.

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Speaker 2: If you don't understand something about your car and you

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Speaker 2: want to be empowered to sit down, talk to your mechanic,

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Speaker 2: your repair shop, or whoever about it. Maybe it's whomever, whatever,

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Speaker 2: give the Car Doctor a call at a five to

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Speaker 2: find us online at Cardoctorshow dot com or a podcast

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Speaker 2: of this radio show there. You can also get over

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Speaker 2: to iHeart dot com, iTunes dot com, and tune in

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Speaker 2: dot com for podcasts.

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Speaker 3: And affiliates in that order.

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Speaker 2: As we kick off this hour of the Car Doctor,

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Speaker 2: I would also like to do a quick shout out

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Speaker 2: and say congratulations to Tom and Sue Ray on their

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Speaker 2: anniversary of their wedding, as today marks the twenty eighth

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Speaker 2: year when they said I do or I does, whatever

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Speaker 2: it was, and we would encourage you all to get

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Speaker 2: out to the Facebook page and we'll have to post

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Speaker 2: that really great picture of Tom and that beautiful tuxedo

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Speaker 2: and from twenty eight years ago and see what that

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Speaker 2: was all about. And that's kind of that's kind of scary.

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Speaker 2: I look at that and I go, oh, is that

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Speaker 2: what we look like.

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Speaker 3: Way back when? You know, maybe maybe Facebook is a

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Speaker 3: bad idea. Scary, isn't it scary? It is math.

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Speaker 2: I think about math a lot when I'm repairing automobiles,

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Speaker 2: and I think that back in high school, you know,

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Speaker 2: you wish if you had the ability to do high

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Speaker 2: I think I would probably pay more attention to the basics, reading, writing,

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Speaker 2: and the fundamentals. And one of the things I notice

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Speaker 2: is math doesn't lie, and it tells the truth whenever

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Speaker 2: you're trying to repair an automobile. Recently I received an

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Speaker 2: email Roun on an upcoming show. I'd love to have

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Speaker 2: you here once again. You're proven theory of what a

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Speaker 2: cost per month to own, operate, and maintain an automobile.

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Speaker 2: I think the number you use is one hundred and

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Speaker 2: And there's more, and we'll talk about that in a minute.

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Speaker 2: This is from Steve Racket up in Maine. You know, Steve,

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Speaker 2: and for you and for all the other listeners out there.

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Speaker 2: I always appreciate the comments and thoughts, and I thought

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Speaker 3: And it's about math, it really is.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny how we look at what it costs

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Speaker 2: you need five hundred dollars, you need one thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: when was the last time I put any money in

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Speaker 2: You start to look at it and you realize you've

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Speaker 2: when we talk about numbers with automobiles, the number Steve's

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Speaker 3: After you purchase a car, I don't care what you like.

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Speaker 2: By whatever you want, get something that makes you happy,

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Speaker 2: Get something that makes you giggle.

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Speaker 2: All right, because after it's three years old, no matter

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Speaker 2: And that's how you get to the good stuff. And

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Speaker 2: The critical thinking skills have disappeared to a large extent.

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Speaker 2: that's my point, and that's not Ron's number.

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Speaker 3: That's what the trends tell me. That's when I.

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Speaker 2: Read the repair analysis from around the country, different blogs,

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Speaker 2: she had put seventeen thousand dollars into a nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: Divide it out. Take thirteen years.

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Speaker 2: Divide that by seventeen thousand, Divide that by twelve months,

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Speaker 2: What instigated this with Steve? I'll go back to my email,

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Speaker 2: He continues, Ron I found myself in a conversation this

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Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure here from Steve as well as

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Speaker 2: the rest of you. And Steve's point is, as I've

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Speaker 2: But if you're interested in going the distance, if you're

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Speaker 2: and the average car today with maintenance will go seven

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Speaker 2: to eight years and will hit one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: the right spot. Bottom line, it's all about math. It's

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Speaker 2: not about panic. It's about being empowered to understand that

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Speaker 2: at averages. A close with this thought before we open

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Speaker 2: needs a kitchen redone fifty thousand dollars. But nobody runs

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Speaker 2: it sure is easy to go out and replace that car,

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Speaker 2: because hey, you know, it's only three hundred dollars a

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Speaker 2: you know what. I think that's what's sort of gotten

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Speaker 2: to critical thinking skills and start to look at the math. Hello,

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Speaker 2: and welcome ronin Any and the car doctor here at

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Speaker 2: eight five five five six nine nine zero zero, Here

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Speaker 2: to help you do math, Here to help you solve

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Speaker 2: your car problems, whatever you've got, whatever you need to

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Speaker 2: Some questions about a two thousand and nine Saturn view. Tom,

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Speaker 4: Hey, Ron, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I got

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Speaker 4: a couple of questions. Number one. Number one, I've got

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Speaker 4: I've heard that sometimes it's better not to change it,

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Speaker 4: just to leave it. Is that true? You know?

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Speaker 2: I think the way to answer that question, Tom. Every

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Speaker 2: it's it's the if the trans is going to fail. Well, here,

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Speaker 3: Correct, So you know what the end result there is.

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Speaker 3: If you service and.

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Speaker 2: Maintain it, it's going to wear out, but you can

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Speaker 2: So the question here is when do you want to

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Speaker 2: And generally if you change the fluid, the problem occurs

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Speaker 2: I would say you can trust that transmission as much

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Speaker 2: counter tom if that trans fail tomorrow, regardless of whether

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Speaker 4: I see, yeah, I would, right, So.

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Speaker 2: Then it would be to your advantage to change the fluid.

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Speaker 2: Now I wouldn't change all of it. I would drop

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Speaker 3: There is no pan.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be a drain and fill, so

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Speaker 3: I take that back.

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Speaker 2: There's different trends as an nine.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I would. I'd change the fluid, tom. But

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Speaker 2: I like to know when something's going to fail, and

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Speaker 2: if I can make it fail a little bit sooner

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Speaker 2: It usually happens when I least expected. It's like it's

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Speaker 3: They don't come out of convenience. And that's my point.

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Speaker 4: I got you, yes, sir, okay, very good?

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Speaker 3: All right? You got a second. And keep in mind

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Speaker 2: That is that is General Motors UH deck six trans fluid,

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Speaker 3: So if you're at one hundred and.

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Speaker 2: Twenty, I mean I would have changed it at fifty.

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Speaker 2: But you know it's water under the bridge at this point.

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Speaker 4: Tom, Yes I did. I'm changing struts and shocks on

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Speaker 4: Right By going to an aftermarket, I saved like one

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Speaker 2: What brand after market. There are some after market brands

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Speaker 3: Who can we.

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Speaker 2: Hand it back to, who will back up the warranty,

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Speaker 2: There are some parts houses, like I tell customers, I

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Speaker 2: Mindful of where I'm purchasing from and what brand, and

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Speaker 4: I am.

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Speaker 2: Okay, a loaded strut is gonna be strut, coil, spring mount,

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Speaker 4: I just got Well, here you go.

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Speaker 2: You called too late. I'm sorry the show should have

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Speaker 2: for the next time. I gotta go, Tom, So you

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Speaker 2: You know. Loaded struts are a great way to uh

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