Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, welcome to the podcast. It could happen here.
Speaker 1: It's me James today and I am joined for a
Speaker 1: rare example of Danel being on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Yes, welcome you, Danel, and James, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to be here to talk with you on
Speaker 2: the podcast that I edit every single day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Normally you just hear me, but at this
Speaker 1: time you get like the dan It's like the Subaltan speaks,
Speaker 1: but it's Danel. I couldn't fucking I couldn't really go
Speaker 1: anywhere with that, so I just I just left the
Speaker 1: two halves of the joke out there, and either of
Speaker 1: them with a partner A very sad. Yeah. So, Danel,
Speaker 1: we're here today to talk about first Day Kits and
Speaker 1: the reason we're talking about First Ay kits is because
Speaker 1: it is Pride Month at the time of recording. That,
Speaker 1: of course, in the United States means that people are
Speaker 1: worried about being murdered by homophobic psychopaths. Unfortunately, so hmm,
Speaker 1: that is that is the world that we live in,
Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be. It's fucked up, and it hopefully
Speaker 1: won't be this way forever because you know, all these
Speaker 1: people are wrong and will die eventually and that will
Speaker 1: make the world better. But fingers crossed, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can, we can hope. I guess maybe they're raising
Speaker 1: a new generation of Turfs or whatever. I don't think
Speaker 1: the hopefully not, let's not. Yeah. So I just wanted
Speaker 1: to talk because I've seen a bunch of people online,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people who are in the like
Speaker 1: lgbt q I a community, or who are going to
Speaker 1: pride just being like oh fuck like it. Genuinely, I
Speaker 1: can see why people are very afraid right because violence
Speaker 1: against queer people is at least seemingly increasing. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give you training because this is a podcast
Speaker 1: and you can't learn first aid on a podcast, and
Speaker 1: you can't learn it on YouTube either. Really, I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk briefly about like supplies and then places to
Speaker 1: get training, because that is very important. I have bought
Speaker 1: my first ay kit that I used for work. I
Speaker 1: have quite a few that I used for work. Actually
Speaker 1: I don't like to repat them. And I know that
Speaker 1: you have bought one that Jeffrey Bezos kindly sent you. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the at the height of the you know,
Speaker 2: the George Floyd protests, et cetera. I was out there
Speaker 2: in the streets and kind of after observing what was
Speaker 2: happening in Portland, and after you know, listening into and
Speaker 2: editing it could happen to year episodes and you know
Speaker 2: what what Gear and Robert were covering. It felt, if
Speaker 2: not necessary, but very prudent to invest in something like
Speaker 2: this so that should there be a need to help
Speaker 2: people in the streets, I was there unable to do so.
Speaker 2: And whether or not this was a good first aid kit,
Speaker 2: I think we're going to find out today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the aim of the game. I should point
Speaker 1: out that, like my medical training is pretty basic, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not that kind of doctor, but I do have
Speaker 1: a wilderness first responder and a wilderness first aid and
Speaker 1: to stop the bleed training, and I've done CPR training,
Speaker 1: and I've done hostile environment first aid training, so a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff which is focused around very very very
Speaker 1: basic first aid. Right. In all of those cases, it's
Speaker 1: like make sure the person doesn't die immediately, and then
Speaker 1: get them to someone who is better trained than you
Speaker 1: so that they can help them more immen, which is
Speaker 1: like listen, if you are learning about medical stuff, on
Speaker 1: the podcast hosted by a guy who has a PhD
Speaker 1: in mode European history. Then that that is what you
Speaker 1: are doing too, write like yes, and we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about that because you can for sure fock someone
Speaker 1: up if you if you go sort of outside of
Speaker 1: your scope of knowledge. And that is I understand the
Speaker 1: desire to help. That we have to help in the
Speaker 1: way that's most helpful, I guess, not do any harm.
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's go over. Let's let's go over I
Speaker 1: guess my first aid kit, and then we can we
Speaker 1: can open yours and see what's the same and what's different. Right,
Speaker 1: So this is one because it's small and it fits
Speaker 1: in the small of my back, and if I really
Speaker 1: need to, I could just like wear a kind of
Speaker 1: baggy shirt and it wouldn't be too obvious. I also
Speaker 1: have one that fits around my ankle for times when
Speaker 1: I really don't want people to know I have it,
Speaker 1: but but I also want to have it. And then
Speaker 1: you can wear some sick flare jeans or something and
Speaker 1: people just think you're a trendy kind of guy. Yeah
Speaker 1: they'll know. So yeah, in mind, it sort of goes on.
Speaker 1: It's one of your back and then you can pull
Speaker 1: it away, right, has a big old red handle. Just
Speaker 1: put it like that and it comes away. Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I will say right off the bat
Speaker 1: is like, I've seen a number of people get hurt
Speaker 1: in a number of different situations. I've seen a number
Speaker 1: of people render first date, including myself, sometimes successfully, sometimes
Speaker 1: sadly not successfully. And if you're if you have a
Speaker 1: big bag of shit and then you open your bag
Speaker 1: of shit and you're just throwing stuff everywhere, Stuff's falling
Speaker 1: on the ground, it you're that's not helpful, right, Like
Speaker 1: the things that will kill people that are preventable for
Speaker 1: the most part in and like trauma injuries. Right, Like
Speaker 1: the stuff that we might see if we're going to
Speaker 1: a pride, if we're attending a protest, if we fucking
Speaker 1: work in a school in America, right is largely like
Speaker 1: like attention umothorax and a whole sucking chest wound and
Speaker 1: losing blood. And losing blood is I believe that the
Speaker 1: sort of most common preventable cause of death in in
Speaker 1: trauma injuries. So most of us is going to focus
Speaker 1: around losing blood. And that's where tyber training called stop
Speaker 1: the bleed comes in right, I believe it's stop the
Speaker 1: Bleed dot org. You can google free stop the Bleed
Speaker 1: classes near me. I have previously posted a link to
Speaker 1: where you can put in your postcode, zip code and
Speaker 1: find free stop the Bleed training near you. And again
Speaker 1: that will cost you no money at all, cost you
Speaker 1: about half a day.
Speaker 2: Of your time.
Speaker 1: Oh great, yeah, yeah, it's it's a great thing actually,
Speaker 1: Like it's one of the few things that that you know,
Speaker 1: the municipal guy meant to various things put on. Well,
Speaker 1: if there isn't one near you, I've heard the people
Speaker 1: hitting up fire departments and then getting them to put
Speaker 1: one on if they can demonstrate some interest because it's
Speaker 1: very basic. And most fire departments will have paramedics, right,
Speaker 1: which is a sort of step up from an empty
Speaker 1: So those those folks can help teach those things very well.
Speaker 1: So what is in here for stopping the bleed? And
Speaker 1: I'm not going to teach you how to use it,
Speaker 1: because then what someone else does?
Speaker 2: Someone else's job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so before I open it up, this is a tornicque.
Speaker 1: Some people will pronounce that incorrectly. They will say that
Speaker 1: those people are with that hard t kit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the American way. Yeah, so it's what this guy is
Speaker 1: is is it? It's for like bleeding your limbs, arterial
Speaker 1: bleeding your limbs. Right, it just goes around since it
Speaker 1: down and I'm not telling you how to use it,
Speaker 1: and then you tighten it up right. The things I
Speaker 1: want to emphasize about this are one the tie of tornicae.
Speaker 1: That is so this is called a combat application tornice.
Speaker 1: It's made by a company called North American Rescue. There
Speaker 1: are a few other ones that I would use. The
Speaker 1: other one I have, I think is the Softy Wide
Speaker 1: and I have some of the REVX med ratcheting tornicades
Speaker 1: as well. They use like a boa. If people have
Speaker 1: used ski boots or cycling shoes, they'll be familiar with
Speaker 1: a boa call. The one to buy is the one
Speaker 1: that you use when you do your training right, and
Speaker 1: it's going to be a sam as another one. There's another.
Speaker 1: These are all the toniques you want to buy if
Speaker 1: you're sort of if you're confused about which one you used.
Speaker 1: The ones that are approved by the t trouble C
Speaker 1: It's a Committee on Tactical Casualty Care, Tactical Casualty something
Speaker 1: like that. Those guys have tested them extensively right to
Speaker 1: see which wants work, which wants to don't. It is
Speaker 1: this is not somewhere to save money that they they
Speaker 1: are about twenty three twenty five bucks. You find them
Speaker 1: on sale, it's not. Yeah. I mean, if if that's
Speaker 1: a big expense for you, then I understand, uh, and
Speaker 1: it's it's okay not to have one if that's a
Speaker 1: big expense or to save up and wait like, that's okay.
Speaker 1: It's better than using an improvised tornic K. Right. So
Speaker 1: there there are not very many very good studies at
Speaker 1: least that I could find on improvised tornic K's someplaces
Speaker 1: still teaching improvised tornic K, like I I've taken a
Speaker 1: Woman's First Responder where they taught it. I've also seen
Speaker 1: one not work, and I will tell you that that's
Speaker 1: not an experience that I want to ever have again
Speaker 1: in my life, and I don't think it's one i'd
Speaker 1: like you all to share with me. So I would
Speaker 1: suggest if you're going to be using a tornic K,
Speaker 1: then then buying a cat is kind of the standard.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't buy it from Jeffrey Bezos because this Amazon
Speaker 1: dot com is a website that he owns, I believe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Space Cowboy Jeffrey. And so the reason why is that
Speaker 1: all of these different there are knockoffs, right, there are
Speaker 1: fakes of this. They go in different they go in
Speaker 1: the same bin from what I'm told, and then the
Speaker 1: person who's a picker just maybe grabs one, and sometimes
Speaker 1: you can end up with a fake. What can happen
Speaker 1: with a fake is the strap can break or the windless.
Speaker 1: So the windless is the guy that tightens it can break. Ah, Okay,
Speaker 1: either of those things is going to lead to the
Speaker 1: tonic failing. Right, it's not going to apply enough pressure,
Speaker 1: and that's going to it could do a number of things, right,
Speaker 1: It could just fail to start the bleeding. Depending on
Speaker 1: if you've misidentified the bleeding. You could give someone a
Speaker 1: compartment syndrome or something. It's going to be very painful.
Speaker 1: It's going to be very painful anyway, and you'll learn
Speaker 1: that in your course which you're going to take. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna not going to just listen to me on
Speaker 1: the podcast, thank you. And so you do want a
Speaker 1: real one, and so the easiest way to obtain a
Speaker 1: real one is to buy one from a reliable source
Speaker 1: Rescue Essentials, Chinook Medical and North American Rescuer or people
Speaker 1: who I've worked with. I'll say that Rescue is Eventual
Speaker 1: sent me a bunch of shit before I went on
Speaker 1: a work trip. They it was lots of it was
Speaker 1: outdated or the open box or something, and I was
Speaker 1: able to donate that to fixes and journalists I was
Speaker 1: working with. I thought that was very cool of them.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: They offer a stop the Bleed month discount. I think
Speaker 1: stop the Bleed month is May, so we might be
Speaker 1: out of that now. But those are real places where
Speaker 1: you can buy these tonic cas and know that you're
Speaker 1: not getting a fake one, right.
Speaker 2: So you'll provide links to that in the description of
Speaker 2: the place.
Speaker 1: We will yeap yeah, yeah, I'll make sure that those
Speaker 1: are there for you to click. So there are different generations,
Speaker 1: like I think generation seven is what I have. Generation
Speaker 1: six is also fine. You probably won't find one sold
Speaker 1: before that. On the off chance you do, I would
Speaker 1: just stick to a generation seven or six. And it
Speaker 1: does have a little timestamps, so you want little sharpie
Speaker 1: as well to write the time on. That's more important.
Speaker 1: It's possible that you might put this on somebody. So
Speaker 1: you're at a pride event and there is something terrible happening,
Speaker 1: like a mass shooter, and you might be there for
Speaker 1: a while. Let's say you're in tech and all your
Speaker 1: cops are fucking cowards, and then unfortunately, if you were
Speaker 1: able to render aid someone and then you both of
Speaker 1: you were able to not get hurt any further, you
Speaker 1: could be there for a while, and then it would
Speaker 1: be relevant what time the tornica is applied. Normally, you know,
Speaker 1: in the US, we would hope that you would have
Speaker 1: medical attention pretty quickly because you know, that threat would
Speaker 1: have been stopped and then EMS would be able to
Speaker 1: provide help. But so that that's where the time thing
Speaker 1: comes in, right, And so you want to have a
Speaker 1: tiny sharpie when you have a tornic and you can
Speaker 1: get North American Rescue actually sell little tiny, half sized
Speaker 1: sharpies and I shove them in the pouch with the
Speaker 1: tornic ue and then there they are, and then you
Speaker 1: always have a sharpie. So we go inside there it is.
Speaker 1: Look at that. Okay, hey the little guy, Oh that's
Speaker 1: a cute. Yeah, isn't it gorgeous? Yeah? We love a
Speaker 1: little guy. Here to credit card size sharpie. It's perfect. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for those who are not dannel exactly somewhat with a
Speaker 1: pinky sharpie and I'll.
Speaker 2: Do I will do the part of contextualizing for the
Speaker 2: for the non video audience.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Daniel. Yeah, of course, paint a picture with
Speaker 1: words if you will. So we're going through this now.
Speaker 1: If if you focus on bleeding again, right, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of different dressings that you have. So again I'm
Speaker 1: not going to tell you what to use for wear,
Speaker 1: but you would use like the tournique on one part
Speaker 1: of your body. The other things you're going to use
Speaker 1: would be a pressure dressing. So you can get a
Speaker 1: ton of different pressure dressings. I like the Olays ones O.
Speaker 1: L A E. S That it doesn't hugely matter that
Speaker 1: those ones just have a little bit of gorse that
Speaker 1: you can pull out so you can pack a wound
Speaker 1: two And sometimes if you do so, if you get
Speaker 1: like a nice training, they might let you practice packing
Speaker 1: some wounds, so they might have like a little fake
Speaker 1: wound that you can pack and yeah, so that you'll
Speaker 1: learn a lot about like how to do that there
Speaker 1: and so those allowed some of the other ones don't.
Speaker 1: But honestly, like sometimes they're called Israeli bandages. They will
Speaker 1: not like colonize Palestine if you you know, put them
Speaker 1: in you at first gate kit. But that's what this
Speaker 1: guy is, right, And sometimes they have a lot of
Speaker 1: packaging on, so you want to take them down to
Speaker 1: kind of the last layer of packaging. None of this
Speaker 1: shit is sterile, right, None of this stuff is. Again,
Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be in for a long time,
Speaker 1: so it's okay to have that like either just bear
Speaker 1: or in its first layer of packaging.
Speaker 2: I want to get textualize one thing from a video perspective,
Speaker 2: just for everybody listening. As James is showing me his
Speaker 2: first aid kit, it looks like every item that he's
Speaker 2: talking about other than the tournique is individually wrapped and
Speaker 2: also strapped down. Yeah, it looks like I would say,
Speaker 2: about seven or eight individual items within there, and they
Speaker 2: all have their own pocket and they're all strapped down.
Speaker 2: And that's something that immediately looking at mine, I basically
Speaker 2: have you know, small plastic baggies that I will hold
Speaker 2: up to James right now, small plastic baggies of just
Speaker 2: like a lot of loose shits, and it's just way
Speaker 2: too much stuff in here, I would say, of what
Speaker 2: I see in James's bag versus mine, I think I mean,
Speaker 2: first of all, there's stuff missing, Like there's no tournique
Speaker 2: in here. There's a lot of different gauze things, and
Speaker 2: there's but there's you know, in mind, I have like
Speaker 2: seven hundred different bandages, and like there's aspirin in here,
Speaker 2: and like some things that feel like they're more for
Speaker 2: like a camping trip than they are really like handling
Speaker 2: a first aid scenario in which you need to save
Speaker 2: someone's life. So one piece of advice that I'm getting
Speaker 2: from James as he shares this, is that you know,
Speaker 2: what's important to carry around is the stuff that is
Speaker 2: going to give you immediate access to the ability to
Speaker 2: save someone's life. So think about that as you are
Speaker 2: like packing your bag. What I have here that I
Speaker 2: bought online, that I'm still glad that I have is
Speaker 2: basically a collection of a bunch of different miscellaneous first
Speaker 2: aid stuff rather than a very stripped down specific list
Speaker 2: of items that I can use to save someone's life
Speaker 2: in an emergency scenario.
Speaker 1: Yes, excellent point, and you can see them all right
Speaker 1: when you open this guy. This guy is also like
Speaker 1: sign it's such as I can pull it off, pop
Speaker 1: it on the floor, open it up, have my workspace
Speaker 1: in front of me. If there's anything I'm not confident doing,
Speaker 1: If like when horrible things happen and people are bleeding you,
Speaker 1: you do not in that time gain skills right at
Speaker 1: that moment, speaking from like more experience than I would
Speaker 1: like to have. If people are in a really bad
Speaker 1: way in front of you, it's not a fun time,
Speaker 1: and you get scared and you might panic. That's okay,
Speaker 1: that happens to everyone. People aren't supposed to see their shit,
Speaker 1: and if it, certainly, if it's your first time seeing,
Speaker 1: it's not unreasonable at all to freak out and not
Speaker 1: know what to do. You can just hold any of
Speaker 1: the ship up, say hey I have a tonic uit,
Speaker 1: Hey I have a pressure dressing, and someone who who's
Speaker 1: at that time is able to help can take that.
Speaker 1: You know what they're doing, they can help. So it's
Speaker 1: totally fine just to have this shit. And if you
Speaker 1: don't know how to use it, you know, don't go
Speaker 1: beyond your scope of knowledge. But just you have that
Speaker 1: shit and you can provide it someone else, that's fine.
Speaker 1: So yeah, everything's in little elastic bands. I've got this
Speaker 1: stuff which is called quick clot We've talked a lot
Speaker 1: of the podcast recently about indigenous medical technologies. This is
Speaker 1: an example of one. Right. So it's using I think kalin.
Speaker 1: There's some that use kalin, some that use something that
Speaker 1: came from crab shells. But this is this is an
Speaker 1: indigenous medical technology that now is sort of it's a
Speaker 1: bit it's been refined over time. This just contains a
Speaker 1: thing that stops it helps blood to clots, hemostatic agent. Right,
Speaker 1: So when you're packing a wound, you could use this first.
Speaker 1: This this would help with blood clotting. Right. It's also
Speaker 1: the type I have is detectable on X rays, which
Speaker 1: helps a lot. There are some older types which are powders.
Speaker 1: Those of those are probably best avoided. And you want
Speaker 1: the gauze that is impregnated with the hemostatic agent if
Speaker 1: you can. This stuff got really pricey recently, Like I
Speaker 1: think the best price I've seen for this is thirty
Speaker 1: five bucks. Oh wow, So yeah, this guy is going
Speaker 1: to cost you the most.
Speaker 2: Do you have an idea why that is?
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people probably bought it in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Might be part of it. Maybe it's some
Speaker 1: kind of supply chain thing. I don't if you know
Speaker 1: where they get the ingredients from. But they just went
Speaker 1: up in price a lot link Like a lot of
Speaker 1: people were sort of reaching out about, Hey, why is
Speaker 1: this shit so expensive? Sure, I don't know, but it's
Speaker 1: not like one hundred percent necessary, but it is a
Speaker 1: very helpful thing and it can make a difference in
Speaker 1: some cases. Right, So that's the hemostetic gause. What else
Speaker 1: I've gotten here as a pair of trauma shares. That's
Speaker 1: just if you need to remove someone's clothing to access
Speaker 1: a wound, and that is kind of important. So for instance,
Speaker 1: I was doing a training once and I prefer to
Speaker 1: speak about those things. So like where a guy was
Speaker 1: presented to us with gunshot wound, and like, if you
Speaker 1: don't rip off his houses like this, you know, if
Speaker 1: someone's been shot and you're there helping them. Again, like
Speaker 1: if if you're not comfortable doing this, you haven't done
Speaker 1: the training and don't be just ripping off strangers clothes.
Speaker 1: That's weird in general. Yeah, yeah, there comes a yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So like and they had this cool kind of thing
Speaker 1: around his leg that bled like he had like two wounds,
Speaker 1: sort of pumping out blood. It's like a cool kind
Speaker 1: of bleeding simulator. So but yeah, bullets will do crazy
Speaker 1: ship and they'll go in one part of your leg
Speaker 1: and hit the bone abouts around and go out in
Speaker 1: fact the other. But they don't always travel in straight lines.
Speaker 1: They're not laser beams. So by exposing that wound, you
Speaker 1: can sometimes see the exit wound, and so you'll know
Speaker 1: that there are two wounds, right, Yeah, depending on how
Speaker 1: you're going to treat it. You know you're gonna pack it,
Speaker 1: you're going to put a torn key on it, but
Speaker 1: that that will That's what these are for. You can
Speaker 1: also get things which are called like I think it's
Speaker 1: called a clothing knife. I actually keep one, yeah, into
Speaker 1: the belt of my plate carrier that I used to work,
Speaker 1: just so that it's like right here and it's the
Speaker 1: same place I keep my diving knife, so then I
Speaker 1: know it's there. And what it does is these are
Speaker 1: handy thing to have in your truck to Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you've seen it. So it's a contained blade, right. I
Speaker 1: like this little chat because in addition to the contained blade,
Speaker 1: it has a little glass breaker.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was going to say we have one in
Speaker 2: the car, so it's like a se Some people might
Speaker 2: not as a seatbelt cutter, yeah, seatbell cutter. And usually
Speaker 2: on the other side, like you said, they have a
Speaker 2: glass breaker. So but that is a much more contained
Speaker 2: one and that looks nice. The one in my car
Speaker 2: is like the size of a small hammer, because it's
Speaker 2: like meant to be like, you know, give you the
Speaker 2: forest to hold in and smack of window, but also
Speaker 2: the kind of thing that is super useful. I think
Speaker 2: everybody should have one in their car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can put on your keyring even right. This
Speaker 1: is the size of like a like a match box
Speaker 1: or key. It's like the size of the key fob.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. If you have a newer vehicle than
Speaker 1: I do, then.
Speaker 2: So I didn't mean to be car classes here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's okay.
Speaker 1: Min's approaching classic status. But yeah, we'll we'll put a
Speaker 1: link on the on the website for this little chap
Speaker 1: as well. We're not like we're not fucking getting affiliate
Speaker 1: revenue from that weirdness, guys, We're just trying to help
Speaker 1: you out. Nice thing about this is like it's quite
Speaker 1: hard to stab someone with trauma shears because they've got
Speaker 1: this little fulling up on the bottom, but it can
Speaker 1: be quite a lot of chopping and things like this
Speaker 1: guy you can like whoop. So these are probably also
Speaker 1: cheaper and you won't end up using them as scissors
Speaker 1: and getting them blunt. So that is that is my
Speaker 1: little getting people's clothes off. And then the last one.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of burned dressings in here. That's
Speaker 1: just because so many people got burned in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Approached from me though, Yeah, would be so if someone
Speaker 1: shoots something out, you don't pick that ship up, don't.
Speaker 1: They just don't.
Speaker 2: Like in my prepping, I got fire resistant gloves. I like,
Speaker 2: I got gloves that were treated for like I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's like five hundred degrees or something like that, in
Speaker 2: the event that I needed to throw back a gas canister.
Speaker 2: But I think I was, I mean, I was way
Speaker 2: too rambo about the whole thing because I still have
Speaker 2: not encountered a gas grenade once yet. So yeah, crossed,
Speaker 2: but I mean I don't know, I'm down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'm ready just get him yeah, yeah, yeah, Dave,
Speaker 1: I love that for you. It's great. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: can instead of having the gloves, right, just avoid picking
Speaker 1: it up. But people do get burned from that from
Speaker 1: from other stuff, right, so burn dressing not really necessary
Speaker 1: because it's unlikely if someone is burned to the extent
Speaker 1: that it's threatening to their life. You aren't helping them
Speaker 1: with your little box of stuff, so that's fine. And
Speaker 1: then these guys are vented chess seals. Ideally you do
Speaker 1: want vented chess seals. I was reading a study the
Speaker 1: other day. It's yes, you're the sort of greatest survivability
Speaker 1: and what you are doing with those is that this
Speaker 1: is for a sucking chest wounds. Not named that because
Speaker 1: it sucks, but it does. Yeah, yeah, but it is.
Speaker 1: This is for like, I guess, penetrating chest trauma. And
Speaker 1: what these these guys I bought in a pack of two.
Speaker 1: Hyphen are a good brand. I think Halo or another brand.
Speaker 1: There are some knockoffs on on Amazon dot Com. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't buy just like again, it's probably worse pending a
Speaker 1: little bit extra. These are These are the ones that
Speaker 1: have gone through extensive testing that are issued to lots
Speaker 1: of militaries around the world. They're very flat, right, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to, you could distribute the ship about your
Speaker 1: person it's just going to be harder to get at it,
Speaker 1: and you're not going to remember which back pocket maybe
Speaker 1: you shut what in. These are very flat and very easy.
Speaker 1: Their their giant stickers and you again when you do
Speaker 1: your training, will learn how to use them. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I would avoid like the rhino. I think Rhino is
Speaker 1: one of the brands on Amazon and stuff. Just get
Speaker 1: a hyphen is kind of the standard. There's an older
Speaker 1: type as well, but these hyphens are more common packed
Speaker 1: and they're preferred.
Speaker 2: And when you're searching hyphen, if you happen researching, it's
Speaker 2: h y f i n We're going to put it
Speaker 2: in the chat. But just you know, for a word
Speaker 2: that is phonetically very similar to another common word, hyphen
Speaker 2: is h y f i n ah.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so well said Daniel. That is a that
Speaker 1: is a that's a chess seal. Right, so here is
Speaker 1: the other type just for you're viewing this an Ashman
Speaker 1: chess seal, so that not preferred, So stick with the hyphen.
Speaker 1: These are kind of bigger and don't pack as well.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I would stick with the hyphens. The other
Speaker 1: thing I have in here is a like a space blanket.
Speaker 1: Just survival. Interesting. Yeah, so when you are losing a
Speaker 1: lot of blood, you get very cold, and so you
Speaker 1: do want to keep that treasure. You do want to
Speaker 1: keep that casualty warm. This isn't going to really be
Speaker 1: enough on its own, quite honestly, like you to probably
Speaker 1: actively heat someone, but it's better than nothink. And it's
Speaker 1: again it's very small. Again, I've given tons of these
Speaker 1: out in various different situations that weren't like a casualty situation,
Speaker 1: so that they've a nice thing to have. You don't
Speaker 1: generally want to be packing shit just because it's a
Speaker 1: nice thing to have, and we'll get onto that. But
Speaker 1: this again is very small. There's almost always face for it.
Speaker 1: So I include that. I also have a little source
Speaker 1: of light, like a little torch flashlight for American listeners,
Speaker 1: nice as h and that is there for being able
Speaker 1: to see things, which is very handy actually when you
Speaker 1: when you're trying to help someone who is bleeding. Another
Speaker 1: thing to include would be gloves. I have my gloves
Speaker 1: somewhere else on this belt, so they're not here, but
Speaker 1: medical gloves right, And again you'll probably learn this in
Speaker 1: your course. But like a lot of people like to
Speaker 1: buy black ones. I don't know why cops wear black
Speaker 1: ones all the time, right, just make it's a little
Speaker 1: more difficult if you're doing a blood sweep, which is
Speaker 1: the thing you'll learn about in your class, so that
Speaker 1: it's actually quite hard to see like blood on black,
Speaker 1: especially in perfect Yeah, so blue tan something like that
Speaker 1: is kind of preferable.
Speaker 2: And I do have those in the first aid think good, nice, Yeah, if.
Speaker 1: You want to have those somewhere ready to go, I
Speaker 1: think they're on the front of this bag, so you
Speaker 1: could slap those on. Just you know, you don't know
Speaker 1: where other people have been, what they've been up to,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter. You still want to help them,
Speaker 1: so you just want to just want to take care
Speaker 1: of yourself there. So though they're honestly the main things
Speaker 1: I have in there, what I don't have in here
Speaker 1: is equally important, Right, I do not have tampons in here.
Speaker 1: The reason I do not have tampons in here as well,
Speaker 1: it's too far. I'm not a person who menIt rates,
Speaker 1: and even if I was, I wouldn't have my first
Speaker 1: aid kit. And technically because they are not very good
Speaker 1: at but they're terrible at dealing with like massive bleeding, right,
Speaker 1: massive hemorrhage, that's not what they're for. If people have
Speaker 1: familiar with what they are designed for. Like, the volume
Speaker 1: of blood is not the same as the volume you
Speaker 1: see from terial bleed. Yeah yeah, yeah, believe me again,
Speaker 1: Like I've had the misfortune to see people die from
Speaker 1: blood loss, and like that is a lot of blood
Speaker 1: more and it's coming out fast, and you ain't stopping
Speaker 1: it with a tampon. It just kind of stopping someone
Speaker 1: who is better equipped from helping. So if you want
Speaker 1: to carry tampons and you want to have them available
Speaker 1: in case someone needs them, that is great, that's very
Speaker 1: kind of you. Put them in your car, put them
Speaker 1: in your in your bag that you go around with. Please,
Speaker 1: but not don't confuse them with a trauma dressing because
Speaker 1: they are different things. Don't plan to improvise anything more broadly, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's just when we have excellent tools available that
Speaker 1: designed for this job, just use them. And it's fine
Speaker 1: not to be able to get all this stuff at once, Right,
Speaker 1: you could spring for the chest seals first and then
Speaker 1: have a bit of money get the torn k that's fine,
Speaker 1: But like, yes, can you can you improvise a chess
Speaker 1: seal with some duct tape and a credit card or
Speaker 1: a CRISP packet in theory. Sure, but like these are
Speaker 1: like twelve bucks, so let's just let's just let's just
Speaker 1: get them if we can. And have people improvised tornic
Speaker 1: k successfully with cravats? Yes? Have those failed and resulted
Speaker 1: in loss of life? You know? Yes? Like in some
Speaker 1: cases your belt isn't a tornic k right, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have a windless it's not going to get tight enough,
Speaker 1: it might snap. Have people used successfully, yes? Is there
Speaker 1: a twenty three dollars thing which works much more effectively? Yes?
Speaker 1: And it's a serious thing. It's fucking it's very real.
Speaker 1: Like again speaking from experience, like this shit will affect
Speaker 1: you deeply, and you want to know that you did
Speaker 1: the best you could. So and if you can't afford
Speaker 1: any of this stuff, that's totally fine, Like just take
Speaker 1: your time and acquire it.
Speaker 2: I think an important thing to add at this point
Speaker 2: is to you know, listeners of our show are I
Speaker 2: think overly familiar with the way that we have kind
Speaker 2: of introduce the idea of mutual aid, like the point
Speaker 2: of mutual aid, And what I mean by that is
Speaker 2: that you are not a one person revolutionary Like the
Speaker 2: whole idea is community effort. And so especially with something
Speaker 2: like this, this is like a kind of a two
Speaker 2: part point. Especially with something like this, consider that you
Speaker 2: are part of a community that can help people overall.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is not you, the individual listening to this
Speaker 2: episode right now that is like I'm going to go
Speaker 2: invest in all of these things because I will be
Speaker 2: the first aid person. Maybe there's someone you know who's
Speaker 2: already interested in this, and this is information that you
Speaker 2: can pass on to them should they be wanting to
Speaker 2: invest in equipment like this. And another thing to think
Speaker 2: about in terms of why James is offering specific items
Speaker 2: is because think about a hobby that you like doing,
Speaker 2: Think about anything that you like doing a lot. You
Speaker 2: know you don't usually buy the cheapest version of the thing.
Speaker 2: And now this is not me, you know, necessarily advocating
Speaker 2: for overspending or buying expensive things. You just want to
Speaker 2: buy stuff that lasts and that works well and that
Speaker 2: does the job because you know overall that stuff will
Speaker 2: last longer than anything that is cheaper in the immediate moment.
Speaker 2: I think people can say the same thing about things
Speaker 2: like work boots, about tools, about anything that to you
Speaker 2: is worth investing your time in. So if this is
Speaker 2: something that you value, if being a first responder, or
Speaker 2: being that person who's there, if taking a stop the
Speaker 2: bleed course is something that's important to you, consider that
Speaker 2: these things are more than just like you know, good
Speaker 2: things to have on hand. They're an investment in your
Speaker 2: future and your interests. So just something to consider that. Like,
Speaker 2: while some of these things may, I mean, nothing sounds
Speaker 2: outrageously expensive that you've said so far. I think the
Speaker 2: most expensive thing that you talked about was thirty five
Speaker 2: dollars in that range.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can spend a lot on the pouch, but
Speaker 1: be sure you shouldn't, like, don't buy some fancy hype
Speaker 1: beasts Instagram gung Guy pouching exactly. Yeah, I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Selock scores is probably much expensive thing I've spoken about.
Speaker 1: On the point of durability, I do want to say
Speaker 1: I've seen people practicing with their torny kes and I
Speaker 1: would suggest getting another one to practice with, And totally
Speaker 1: makes sense. So North American Mescue breaks a blue one.
Speaker 1: It's exactly the same, It works just the same. If
Speaker 1: you need to use it, you can, but over time
Speaker 1: those things fatigue and that they're not designed for multiple uses.
Speaker 1: Have they been used multiple times? Yes? Do people wash
Speaker 1: them and wash the blood of them and use them again? Yes.
Speaker 1: It is again like we shouldn't plan for a sub
Speaker 1: optimal setting and what's already going to be a pretty
Speaker 1: fucking sub optimal moment. And talking of suboptimal stuff, Daniel,
Speaker 1: we have to start, yeah, to talk about Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 1: So that's my bad.
Speaker 2: I should have been the one being like Jason to
Speaker 2: take an ad break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very there. I am a seasoned professional. We're back.
Speaker 1: We've returned from my AD break. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about resources for training because I think those are
Speaker 1: very important, right, and that is where you're going to
Speaker 1: learn stuff. I am not telling you how to do this.
Speaker 1: I would suggest hitting up Stop the Bleed. I think
Speaker 1: it Stopped the Bleed dot org. Stop the Bid training
Speaker 1: in my area, there's a website that will link in
Speaker 1: the description as a part of that website where you
Speaker 1: can put in your zip code and find trainings. And
Speaker 1: then if I think about where I've got my training,
Speaker 1: it's through an organization called NOOLS National Outdoor Leadership School.
Speaker 1: So once you get past stop the bleed, you've got
Speaker 1: a couple of Like most community colleges will have an
Speaker 1: EMTB course EMT Basic. That's quite a commitment of your time,
Speaker 1: but you can learn a lot of very important things.
Speaker 1: It can be a career for you if you want
Speaker 1: it to be. Certainly it can be an adjunct to
Speaker 1: other careers you want to do. If you want to
Speaker 1: work in the outdoors, if you can do an e
Speaker 1: m T B and then do a wilderness EMT that
Speaker 1: opens up a whole range of expeditions to you. So
Speaker 1: community college should be free. Most of those courses are
Speaker 1: free or very affordable, depending on where you are. Knowles's
Speaker 1: courses are not free, nor are they very affordable. That
Speaker 1: they are very expensive, but they are very good. Your
Speaker 1: look or ARII probably puts them on. Knowles does have
Speaker 1: scholarships for people who are more marginalized from the outdoors,
Speaker 1: or they did last time I spoke to them, so
Speaker 1: those might be worth checking out. And then there are
Speaker 1: apps which will give you resources. Resources are not the
Speaker 1: same as training, right like training is knowing what to do,
Speaker 1: it's not sometimes it's knowing where to look. But in
Speaker 1: situations like this, like you don't want to be on
Speaker 1: your phone for more advanced stuff, for stuff where you
Speaker 1: know you're you're you're doing care in the field, right
Speaker 1: if you're doing or you know, wilderness first responder, if
Speaker 1: you're trying to think times that I've done stuff with
Speaker 1: that one time I was climbing up a mountain and
Speaker 1: the big old rock fell on me. I had to
Speaker 1: split my leg and oh my god, what bleeding? Like, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good times. Don't yeah, don't don't watch out
Speaker 1: for rock full audience.
Speaker 2: I just want to throw something out there. Every single
Speaker 2: time James tells us any story about his life, it
Speaker 2: is just this this wonderfully vivid, like colorful story about
Speaker 2: something that has happened to him, or an experience that
Speaker 2: he's had, or a profession that he's had. That just
Speaker 2: adds to the tone of interesting facts about James. So
Speaker 2: if you, I don't know, I highly recommend you listen
Speaker 2: to every single episode that James is on because you
Speaker 2: have lived a fascinating life and that is merely a
Speaker 2: split second of it. That's wild. I'm glad, you're okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm fine, but yeah, you know, clearly here we are
Speaker 2: with that, right, especially.
Speaker 1: In wildern smetter. Then there's an emphasis on using what
Speaker 1: you already have, and because you can't bring everything into wilderness, right,
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm saying. Knowledge doesn't wear anything. It
Speaker 1: doesn't take up any space in your pack. So you
Speaker 1: can use an air mattress pretty well. To splint a
Speaker 1: leg injury. You can use one of those foam so
Speaker 1: air mattress is a guy that you sleep on. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So you can kind of a fandangle those up around
Speaker 1: a leg. You can use a therm arrest or similar
Speaker 1: other products are available foam sleeping mattress. You can use
Speaker 1: a hiking pole tent pole. Tentpoles are kind of nice
Speaker 1: because you can break them down into sections to get
Speaker 1: the right length, and then all you're using from your
Speaker 1: first aid kit is your it's your tape, right or
Speaker 1: I like ski straps. I touch everything in my life.
Speaker 1: It's important to me with ski straps. So I love
Speaker 1: a ski strap and I had some ski straps, and
Speaker 1: you can just splint that bad boy with a couple
Speaker 1: of ski straps, a couple of tent poles back of
Speaker 1: the neck. You're not having a great day at that point.
Speaker 1: This is not the kind of medical care you'd hope
Speaker 1: for in a professional setting. But you know, if you've
Speaker 1: got that and you've got a crush, you can you
Speaker 1: can get yourself to a higher degree of care. So
Speaker 1: when we're doing stuff like that, I believe Knowles has
Speaker 1: a Wilderness Medicine app. There's Deployed Medicine, which is a
Speaker 1: US military resource for field care, which can help to
Speaker 1: remind you of stuff that you've already trained on. It's
Speaker 1: not going to teach you to do stuff you shouldn't,
Speaker 1: just read about it on there and use it. And
Speaker 1: there's a new one called Goes Goes which literally launched
Speaker 1: like this week, Goes Health, which it's offline to It
Speaker 1: gives an offline data base of wilderness medicine and it
Speaker 1: helps you kind of with diagnostic cues of stuff. So
Speaker 1: when you do your wilderness first responder, at least when
Speaker 1: I did it, someone must have had an ectopic pregnancy
Speaker 1: and had a very bad outcome, because they'll they'll ask
Speaker 1: you with all these questions like what could this be?
Speaker 1: What could this be? And like they want you to
Speaker 1: be able to know what an act topic pregnancy is
Speaker 1: so like, but there's like a sort of flow chart
Speaker 1: that you can follow right to help you be like
Speaker 1: what is this is appendicitis what's going on here? So when?
Speaker 1: Because you probably won't remember every certainly if you take
Speaker 1: a woof of course and then two years later, you
Speaker 1: know you before you recertify it, like something happens, a
Speaker 1: lot could happen in two years, you won't have remembered
Speaker 1: everything that you learned in your course. Right, So some
Speaker 1: of those apps are useful, but the most important thing
Speaker 1: the thing where you will learn to use all of
Speaker 1: the items in this I fat is stopped the bleed
Speaker 1: and it is free, and that is where everyone should start.
Speaker 1: They're not going to teach you how to use all
Speaker 1: the things. So if we bust open the bag that
Speaker 1: you got Daniel quickly, it's overstuffed.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things in there. Yeah wait, too
Speaker 2: many things. I mean literally like as there is a
Speaker 2: there is a pouch of emergency drinking water. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: there is there is a watch McCall it, a bright
Speaker 2: stick like a little light stick. There is about one
Speaker 2: hundred different kinds of watch McCall it. Like look at
Speaker 2: this literal just like pile of band aids, just like
Speaker 2: hundreds of band aids and alcohol wipes and oh there's
Speaker 2: a whistle. A whistle is should you get lost in
Speaker 2: the wilderness.
Speaker 1: This is a very handy in urban or rural dishausters,
Speaker 1: but not for fiestat, not for this.
Speaker 2: I don't think any of this stuff is necessarily bad.
Speaker 2: It's just there's just way too much. There's gauze pads.
Speaker 2: There is this ABD pad sterile extra absorbent pad yep
Speaker 2: that you know, I don't think is going to do
Speaker 2: what it needs to do. But there's a shit ton
Speaker 2: of gauze in here. And there are look, you want
Speaker 2: to talk about things to cut open. You're talking about
Speaker 2: clothing scissors. These little guys are I don't think are
Speaker 2: going to do that. No, that tape and stuff exactly
Speaker 2: trimming tape. There's also tweezers in here. I really this
Speaker 2: feels like for people who are in the wilderness and
Speaker 2: they get a splinter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that stuff super handy to having your
Speaker 1: truck or your car, Like motorcycle guys are only pretty good. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna immediately stop you from dying from loss
Speaker 1: of blood, which is more we're concerned without. If you
Speaker 1: do ride a motorcycle. You really want to fucking have one,
Speaker 1: Like I ride a bicycle, and I have seen some
Speaker 1: motor vehicle accidents, and I'm just going to say, motorcycle
Speaker 1: folks want to have that. Someone else can grab it
Speaker 1: off your motorbi I can use it if you've hurt yourself.
Speaker 1: But sure, I've seen that happen before. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: stuff is all very handy, it's all very nice. It
Speaker 1: can make you feel better, right, Like there's I imagine
Speaker 1: there's a ton of viberprofen and paracetamol and benadryl. All
Speaker 1: that stuff is great. That stuff's super handy, right, And
Speaker 1: another thing I would add is some of that stuff
Speaker 1: can be life saving if you have an allergy, right,
Speaker 1: and you need to take something for that, Yeah, put
Speaker 1: that in your first aid kit because that's particular to you. Right.
Speaker 1: And if you if that's going to if you need
Speaker 1: an EpiPen, then have your EpiPen of course, right, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do. Anyway, if you have diabetes, have
Speaker 1: your gluca garden and some Sure, all of that stuff
Speaker 1: is of course important. But in terms of like dealing
Speaker 1: with what we perceive to be an increased risk of
Speaker 1: like homophobic violence, which normally manifests itself as people getting
Speaker 1: shot in this country. Then the little scissors and their
Speaker 1: ABD pad, the band aids aren't what we need and
Speaker 1: they're just going to get in the way. So even
Speaker 1: if you have those, great keep them in the car.
Speaker 1: I gave tons of people band aids because they've got
Speaker 1: blisters in twenty twenty, right, because people are not familiar
Speaker 1: with walking that far. Their boots sucked. People decided to
Speaker 1: wear heavy boots because they were worried. All understandable things.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of band aids, a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of horseshoe plasters or of you know, like second skin. Great,
Speaker 1: happy to give you one of those things. I'll keep
Speaker 1: it in a different pocket though, right, So so I'm
Speaker 1: not you know, sorting pats of blister plasters if someone's
Speaker 1: been shot. And that's a good tip regardless of what
Speaker 1: you're doing, what you even if you're doing, you know,
Speaker 1: you're bringing more stuff and more WEP. But it's great aspirin.
Speaker 1: I bet people need that sometimes, or iyeberprofiene if their
Speaker 1: knees hurting from walking a lot, Great pound that shit.
Speaker 1: But like, don't that's not what we want. We don't
Speaker 1: want to be administering medicines really, certainly if we're not
Speaker 1: trying to do so after a trauma thing, because some
Speaker 1: of they pay medicines we might be taking might might
Speaker 1: inhibit blood clotting, right, So we don't want to be
Speaker 1: doing that before that person goes on too a higher
Speaker 1: standard ca it's going to fucking suck for them. But
Speaker 1: like you're, the best you can do is stop that
Speaker 1: person dying or help someone else who's qualified to do
Speaker 1: that by just saying, hey, I have this stuff, and
Speaker 1: it's all pretty compact, you know, like I said, it's
Speaker 1: it's you know, the size of a paperback book, decent
Speaker 1: sized paperback books, something like that, and having it may
Speaker 1: or may not be hopefully right. You just buy this
Speaker 1: thing and it sits around for a while, and eventually,
Speaker 1: if you've been having the tornicque in the sun for
Speaker 1: years and years, you want to replace it. The UV
Speaker 1: can cause them to decay. You can just put them
Speaker 1: inside a pouch. I've made all kinds of pouches for them.
Speaker 1: You can buy an expensive one on the internet, or
Speaker 1: you can just use a piece so a piece of nylon,
Speaker 1: which is what I do two rubber bands and put
Speaker 1: it inside your waistband of your thing. Many many such
Speaker 1: solutions exist, But yeah, I would encourage everyone. I think
Speaker 1: I've said it's about twenty eight times to get training
Speaker 1: and not just to just go and do this. If
Speaker 1: you can't access that training straight away and you want
Speaker 1: to get the stuff where you look for training, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Just don't be doing stuff you don't know how to do,
Speaker 1: because you know someone might confuse out for someone who
Speaker 1: is qualified and is helping. And then if you don't
Speaker 1: know what you're doing and you make a mistake, and
Speaker 1: that that could be worse than someone. If someone comes
Speaker 1: in and they're doing triage right, they're saying, who do
Speaker 1: we need to treat now? Who do we need to
Speaker 1: treat later? Who can't we help then? And they see
Speaker 1: you doing that, Okay, that person's covered that. You want
Speaker 1: to be sure that you're covering what you're doing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: just make sure you get the training. We're not trying
Speaker 1: to scare you into not going to things. Please don't
Speaker 1: feel afraid. I know it's very easy to feel afraid.
Speaker 1: That's of course the goal of you know, most of
Speaker 1: these people, their ass is welded to their gaming chair,
Speaker 1: and they will never actually come into the streets and
Speaker 1: hurt you. They just stay stuff on Twitter dot com
Speaker 1: and like, you're fine. But it's very reasonable to be prudent.
Speaker 1: And certainly this is stuff I have in my truk,
Speaker 1: I have it in my bag, I have it in
Speaker 1: most places I go, and you know, you get used
Speaker 1: to it. It's fine, and take it a course. And
Speaker 1: I'm on work trips and I try and leave lots
Speaker 1: of it with my colleagues who can't access it so
Speaker 1: easily in other countries. So yeah, I hope that's helpful
Speaker 1: for people. Mind. It's mind, Yeah, yeah, it is. It's
Speaker 1: it's and I look, I guess just to wrap up
Speaker 1: like you are not. I don't watch television really, Hugh Laurie,
Speaker 1: what's Hugh Lurry's deal house? Oh house? Yeah, or like
Speaker 1: some other super doctor, right, like you can't heal everyone.
Speaker 1: Bad things happen, But it's just peace of mind and
Speaker 1: trying to do your best to help everyone. And that's
Speaker 1: relatively accessible and not too expensive. I think there's an
Speaker 1: IPAC fund which gives youse away for free as well,
Speaker 1: so cool. That's where we're looking in too. If that's
Speaker 1: if someone can find that, they can send it to
Speaker 1: me and I will post it. But yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: peace of mind and it's it's not too hard to
Speaker 1: get that training. So go out there and do that.
Speaker 2: Wonderful.
Speaker 1: Do it with someone you love, do it, do it
Speaker 1: for fun, do it with your friend, make it. Do
Speaker 1: it on a date. Yeah, find someone on Tuesday. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: do it. Let us know how that goes.
Speaker 2: Hey, what's your favorite color? So what are you doing
Speaker 2: this weekend? Wanted to a stop the bleed course.
Speaker 1: I think that's very sexy, Ei one hundred percent be
Speaker 1: into that exactly. Yeah, please don't DM me with potential
Speaker 1: still the bleeping no jams, No, no, don't do it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, hopefully that helps people. Wonderful.
Speaker 2: Well, James, thank you so much for this awesome information.
Speaker 2: It's been an absolute pleasure being on the show with you.
Speaker 2: And we'll post links in the chat or post sorry,
Speaker 2: post link the chat that we have. Gosh, exactly that
Speaker 2: that's that's my twitch shit coming through. Will post links
Speaker 2: in the description of the episode, and yeah, I look
Speaker 2: forward to doing this again with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daniel, talking of your twitch shit, where can people
Speaker 1: find you twitch? Shit.
Speaker 2: They don't need to find me anywhere, but if you
Speaker 2: want to find me, you can twitch your address, TV,
Speaker 2: slash Twitch dot tv, slash DJ Underscore Daniel d A
Speaker 2: n L. And if you want to come ask me
Speaker 2: what Robert smells like. I will not ban you, but
Speaker 2: I will time you out for ten minutes, so you know,
Speaker 2: just you know, know that I'm happy to have whoever
Speaker 2: wants to come watch the watch the twitch stream, but
Speaker 2: I'm not going to answer any weird questions about my coworkers.
Speaker 1: As you should be. Thank you Daniel, Thank you James.
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