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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, welcome to the podcast. It could happen here.

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Speaker 1: It's me James today and I am joined for a

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Speaker 1: rare example of Danel being on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, welcome you, Danel, and James, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to be here to talk with you on

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Speaker 2: the podcast that I edit every single day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Normally you just hear me, but at this

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Speaker 1: time you get like the dan It's like the Subaltan speaks,

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Speaker 1: but it's Danel. I couldn't fucking I couldn't really go

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Speaker 1: anywhere with that, so I just I just left the

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Speaker 1: two halves of the joke out there, and either of

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Speaker 1: them with a partner A very sad. Yeah. So, Danel,

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Speaker 1: we're here today to talk about first Day Kits and

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Speaker 1: the reason we're talking about First Ay kits is because

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Speaker 1: it is Pride Month at the time of recording. That,

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Speaker 1: of course, in the United States means that people are

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Speaker 1: worried about being murdered by homophobic psychopaths. Unfortunately, so hmm,

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Speaker 1: that is that is the world that we live in,

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Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be. It's fucked up, and it hopefully

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Speaker 1: won't be this way forever because you know, all these

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Speaker 1: people are wrong and will die eventually and that will

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Speaker 1: make the world better. But fingers crossed, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can, we can hope. I guess maybe they're raising

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Speaker 1: a new generation of Turfs or whatever. I don't think

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Speaker 1: the hopefully not, let's not. Yeah. So I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk because I've seen a bunch of people online,

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Speaker 1: pride just being like oh fuck like it. Genuinely, I

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Speaker 1: can see why people are very afraid right because violence

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Speaker 1: against queer people is at least seemingly increasing. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to give you training because this is a podcast

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Speaker 1: and you can't learn first aid on a podcast, and

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Speaker 1: you can't learn it on YouTube either. Really, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk briefly about like supplies and then places to

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Speaker 1: get training, because that is very important. I have bought

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Speaker 1: my first ay kit that I used for work. I

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Speaker 1: I don't like to repat them. And I know that

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Speaker 1: you have bought one that Jeffrey Bezos kindly sent you. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at the at the height of the you know,

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Speaker 2: the George Floyd protests, et cetera. I was out there

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Speaker 2: in the streets and kind of after observing what was

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Speaker 2: happening in Portland, and after you know, listening into and

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Speaker 2: editing it could happen to year episodes and you know

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Speaker 2: what what Gear and Robert were covering. It felt, if

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Speaker 2: not necessary, but very prudent to invest in something like

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Speaker 2: this so that should there be a need to help

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Speaker 2: people in the streets, I was there unable to do so.

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Speaker 2: And whether or not this was a good first aid kit,

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to find out today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the aim of the game. I should point

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Speaker 1: out that, like my medical training is pretty basic, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm not that kind of doctor, but I do have

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Speaker 1: to stop the bleed training, and I've done CPR training,

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Speaker 1: and I've done hostile environment first aid training, so a

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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff which is focused around very very very

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Speaker 1: like listen, if you are learning about medical stuff, on

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Speaker 1: the podcast hosted by a guy who has a PhD

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Speaker 1: in mode European history. Then that that is what you

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Speaker 1: So yeah, let's go over. Let's let's go over I

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Speaker 1: guess my first aid kit, and then we can we

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Speaker 1: So this is one because it's small and it fits

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Speaker 1: around losing blood. And that's where tyber training called stop

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Speaker 1: Bleed dot org. You can google free stop the Bleed

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Speaker 1: classes near me. I have previously posted a link to

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Speaker 1: where you can put in your postcode, zip code and

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Speaker 1: find free stop the Bleed training near you. And again

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Speaker 1: that will cost you no money at all, cost you

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Speaker 1: Oh great, yeah, yeah, it's it's a great thing actually,

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Speaker 1: Like it's one of the few things that that you know,

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Speaker 1: So those those folks can help teach those things very well.

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Speaker 1: So what is in here for stopping the bleed? And

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to teach you how to use it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so before I open it up, this is a tornicque.

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Speaker 1: It's made by a company called North American Rescue. There

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Speaker 1: These are all the toniques you want to buy if

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Speaker 1: like that. Those guys have tested them extensively right to

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Speaker 1: still teaching improvised tornic K, like I I've taken a

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Speaker 1: then then buying a cat is kind of the standard.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't buy it from Jeffrey Bezos because this Amazon

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Speaker 1: So the windless is the guy that tightens it can break. Ah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the podcast, thank you. And so you do want a

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Speaker 1: Rescue Essentials, Chinook Medical and North American Rescuer or people

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Speaker 1: who I've worked with. I'll say that Rescue is Eventual

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Speaker 1: a work trip. They it was lots of it was

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Speaker 1: working with. I thought that was very cool of them.

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Speaker 1: They offer a stop the Bleed month discount. I think

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Speaker 1: stop the Bleed month is May, so we might be

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Speaker 1: out of that now. But those are real places where

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Speaker 2: So you'll provide links to that in the description of

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Speaker 1: We will yeap yeah, yeah, I'll make sure that those

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Speaker 1: like I think generation seven is what I have. Generation

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Speaker 1: six is also fine. You probably won't find one sold

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'm ready just get him yeah, yeah, yeah, Dave,

430
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Speaker 1: I love that for you. It's great. Yeah, so you

431
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: can instead of having the gloves, right, just avoid picking

432
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: it up. But people do get burned from that from

433
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: from other stuff, right, so burn dressing not really necessary

434
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: because it's unlikely if someone is burned to the extent

435
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: that it's threatening to their life. You aren't helping them

436
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 1: with your little box of stuff, so that's fine. And

437
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: then these guys are vented chess seals. Ideally you do

438
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: want vented chess seals. I was reading a study the

439
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Speaker 1: other day. It's yes, you're the sort of greatest survivability

440
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: and what you are doing with those is that this

441
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: is for a sucking chest wounds. Not named that because

442
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: it sucks, but it does. Yeah, yeah, but it is.

443
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: This is for like, I guess, penetrating chest trauma. And

444
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Speaker 1: what these these guys I bought in a pack of two.

445
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: Hyphen are a good brand. I think Halo or another brand.

446
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,479
Speaker 1: There are some knockoffs on on Amazon dot Com. They

447
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Speaker 1: wouldn't buy just like again, it's probably worse pending a

448
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Speaker 1: little bit extra. These are These are the ones that

449
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: have gone through extensive testing that are issued to lots

450
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Speaker 1: of militaries around the world. They're very flat, right, if

451
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Speaker 1: you wanted to, you could distribute the ship about your

452
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: person it's just going to be harder to get at it,

453
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Speaker 1: and you're not going to remember which back pocket maybe

454
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: you shut what in. These are very flat and very easy.

455
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: Their their giant stickers and you again when you do

456
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: your training, will learn how to use them. But yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: I would avoid like the rhino. I think Rhino is

458
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Speaker 1: one of the brands on Amazon and stuff. Just get

459
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Speaker 1: a hyphen is kind of the standard. There's an older

460
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Speaker 1: type as well, but these hyphens are more common packed

461
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Speaker 1: and they're preferred.

462
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Speaker 2: And when you're searching hyphen, if you happen researching, it's

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Speaker 2: h y f i n We're going to put it

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Speaker 2: in the chat. But just you know, for a word

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Speaker 2: that is phonetically very similar to another common word, hyphen

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Speaker 2: is h y f i n ah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so well said Daniel. That is a that

468
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: is a that's a chess seal. Right, so here is

469
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Speaker 1: the other type just for you're viewing this an Ashman

470
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Speaker 1: chess seal, so that not preferred, So stick with the hyphen.

471
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Speaker 1: These are kind of bigger and don't pack as well.

472
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I would stick with the hyphens. The other

473
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Speaker 1: thing I have in here is a like a space blanket.

474
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Speaker 1: Just survival. Interesting. Yeah, so when you are losing a

475
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: lot of blood, you get very cold, and so you

476
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: do want to keep that treasure. You do want to

477
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: keep that casualty warm. This isn't going to really be

478
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Speaker 1: enough on its own, quite honestly, like you to probably

479
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: actively heat someone, but it's better than nothink. And it's

480
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: again it's very small. Again, I've given tons of these

481
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Speaker 1: out in various different situations that weren't like a casualty situation,

482
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Speaker 1: so that they've a nice thing to have. You don't

483
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Speaker 1: generally want to be packing shit just because it's a

484
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: nice thing to have, and we'll get onto that. But

485
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: this again is very small. There's almost always face for it.

486
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Speaker 1: So I include that. I also have a little source

487
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: of light, like a little torch flashlight for American listeners,

488
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: nice as h and that is there for being able

489
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: to see things, which is very handy actually when you

490
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: when you're trying to help someone who is bleeding. Another

491
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: thing to include would be gloves. I have my gloves

492
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Speaker 1: somewhere else on this belt, so they're not here, but

493
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: medical gloves right, And again you'll probably learn this in

494
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Speaker 1: your course. But like a lot of people like to

495
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: buy black ones. I don't know why cops wear black

496
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: ones all the time, right, just make it's a little

497
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: more difficult if you're doing a blood sweep, which is

498
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: the thing you'll learn about in your class, so that

499
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: it's actually quite hard to see like blood on black,

500
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 1: especially in perfect Yeah, so blue tan something like that

501
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: is kind of preferable.

502
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Speaker 2: And I do have those in the first aid think good, nice, Yeah, if.

503
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Speaker 1: You want to have those somewhere ready to go, I

504
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: think they're on the front of this bag, so you

505
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: could slap those on. Just you know, you don't know

506
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: where other people have been, what they've been up to,

507
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter. You still want to help them,

508
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: so you just want to just want to take care

509
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: of yourself there. So though they're honestly the main things

510
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: I have in there, what I don't have in here

511
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: is equally important, Right, I do not have tampons in here.

512
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: The reason I do not have tampons in here as well,

513
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: it's too far. I'm not a person who menIt rates,

514
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: and even if I was, I wouldn't have my first

515
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: aid kit. And technically because they are not very good

516
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: at but they're terrible at dealing with like massive bleeding, right,

517
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: massive hemorrhage, that's not what they're for. If people have

518
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: familiar with what they are designed for. Like, the volume

519
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: of blood is not the same as the volume you

520
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: see from terial bleed. Yeah yeah, yeah, believe me again,

521
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 1: Like I've had the misfortune to see people die from

522
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: blood loss, and like that is a lot of blood

523
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: more and it's coming out fast, and you ain't stopping

524
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: it with a tampon. It just kind of stopping someone

525
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: who is better equipped from helping. So if you want

526
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: to carry tampons and you want to have them available

527
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: in case someone needs them, that is great, that's very

528
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: kind of you. Put them in your car, put them

529
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: in your in your bag that you go around with. Please,

530
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: but not don't confuse them with a trauma dressing because

531
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: they are different things. Don't plan to improvise anything more broadly, right,

532
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: Like it's just when we have excellent tools available that

533
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: designed for this job, just use them. And it's fine

534
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: not to be able to get all this stuff at once, Right,

535
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: you could spring for the chest seals first and then

536
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: have a bit of money get the torn k that's fine,

537
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: But like, yes, can you can you improvise a chess

538
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: seal with some duct tape and a credit card or

539
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: a CRISP packet in theory. Sure, but like these are

540
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: like twelve bucks, so let's just let's just let's just

541
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: get them if we can. And have people improvised tornic

542
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: k successfully with cravats? Yes? Have those failed and resulted

543
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: in loss of life? You know? Yes? Like in some

544
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: cases your belt isn't a tornic k right, it doesn't

545
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: have a windless it's not going to get tight enough,

546
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: it might snap. Have people used successfully, yes? Is there

547
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: a twenty three dollars thing which works much more effectively? Yes?

548
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: And it's a serious thing. It's fucking it's very real.

549
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: Like again speaking from experience, like this shit will affect

550
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: you deeply, and you want to know that you did

551
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: the best you could. So and if you can't afford

552
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: any of this stuff, that's totally fine, Like just take

553
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: your time and acquire it.

554
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: I think an important thing to add at this point

555
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: is to you know, listeners of our show are I

556
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: think overly familiar with the way that we have kind

557
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: of introduce the idea of mutual aid, like the point

558
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: of mutual aid, And what I mean by that is

559
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: that you are not a one person revolutionary Like the

560
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: whole idea is community effort. And so especially with something

561
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: like this, this is like a kind of a two

562
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: part point. Especially with something like this, consider that you

563
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: are part of a community that can help people overall.

564
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: Maybe it is not you, the individual listening to this

565
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: episode right now that is like I'm going to go

566
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: invest in all of these things because I will be

567
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: the first aid person. Maybe there's someone you know who's

568
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: already interested in this, and this is information that you

569
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: can pass on to them should they be wanting to

570
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: invest in equipment like this. And another thing to think

571
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: about in terms of why James is offering specific items

572
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: is because think about a hobby that you like doing,

573
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: Think about anything that you like doing a lot. You

574
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: know you don't usually buy the cheapest version of the thing.

575
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: And now this is not me, you know, necessarily advocating

576
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: for overspending or buying expensive things. You just want to

577
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: buy stuff that lasts and that works well and that

578
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: does the job because you know overall that stuff will

579
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: last longer than anything that is cheaper in the immediate moment.

580
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: I think people can say the same thing about things

581
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: like work boots, about tools, about anything that to you

582
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: is worth investing your time in. So if this is

583
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: something that you value, if being a first responder, or

584
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: being that person who's there, if taking a stop the

585
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: bleed course is something that's important to you, consider that

586
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: these things are more than just like you know, good

587
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: things to have on hand. They're an investment in your

588
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: future and your interests. So just something to consider that. Like,

589
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: while some of these things may, I mean, nothing sounds

590
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: outrageously expensive that you've said so far. I think the

591
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: most expensive thing that you talked about was thirty five

592
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: dollars in that range.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can spend a lot on the pouch, but

594
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: be sure you shouldn't, like, don't buy some fancy hype

595
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: beasts Instagram gung Guy pouching exactly. Yeah, I think, Yeah,

596
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: the Selock scores is probably much expensive thing I've spoken about.

597
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: On the point of durability, I do want to say

598
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: I've seen people practicing with their torny kes and I

599
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: would suggest getting another one to practice with, And totally

600
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: makes sense. So North American Mescue breaks a blue one.

601
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: It's exactly the same, It works just the same. If

602
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: you need to use it, you can, but over time

603
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: those things fatigue and that they're not designed for multiple uses.

604
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: Have they been used multiple times? Yes? Do people wash

605
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: them and wash the blood of them and use them again? Yes.

606
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: It is again like we shouldn't plan for a sub

607
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: optimal setting and what's already going to be a pretty

608
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Speaker 1: fucking sub optimal moment. And talking of suboptimal stuff, Daniel,

609
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: we have to start, yeah, to talk about Ronald Reagan.

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Speaker 1: So that's my bad.

611
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: I should have been the one being like Jason to

612
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Speaker 2: take an ad break.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very there. I am a seasoned professional. We're back.

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00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: We've returned from my AD break. So I wanted to

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00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: talk about resources for training because I think those are

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00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: very important, right, and that is where you're going to

617
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: learn stuff. I am not telling you how to do this.

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00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: I would suggest hitting up Stop the Bleed. I think

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Speaker 1: it Stopped the Bleed dot org. Stop the Bid training

620
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: in my area, there's a website that will link in

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00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: the description as a part of that website where you

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00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: can put in your zip code and find trainings. And

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Speaker 1: then if I think about where I've got my training,

624
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: it's through an organization called NOOLS National Outdoor Leadership School.

625
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: So once you get past stop the bleed, you've got

626
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: a couple of Like most community colleges will have an

627
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: EMTB course EMT Basic. That's quite a commitment of your time,

628
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: but you can learn a lot of very important things.

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Speaker 1: It can be a career for you if you want

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00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: it to be. Certainly it can be an adjunct to

631
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: other careers you want to do. If you want to

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00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: work in the outdoors, if you can do an e

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Speaker 1: m T B and then do a wilderness EMT that

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00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: opens up a whole range of expeditions to you. So

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00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: community college should be free. Most of those courses are

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00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 1: free or very affordable, depending on where you are. Knowles's

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00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: courses are not free, nor are they very affordable. That

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00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: they are very expensive, but they are very good. Your

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00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: look or ARII probably puts them on. Knowles does have

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00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: scholarships for people who are more marginalized from the outdoors,

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Speaker 1: or they did last time I spoke to them, so

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00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: those might be worth checking out. And then there are

643
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: apps which will give you resources. Resources are not the

644
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: same as training, right like training is knowing what to do,

645
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: it's not sometimes it's knowing where to look. But in

646
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: situations like this, like you don't want to be on

647
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: your phone for more advanced stuff, for stuff where you

648
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: know you're you're you're doing care in the field, right

649
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: if you're doing or you know, wilderness first responder, if

650
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to think times that I've done stuff with

651
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: that one time I was climbing up a mountain and

652
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: the big old rock fell on me. I had to

653
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: split my leg and oh my god, what bleeding? Like, Yeah, yeah,

654
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: it's a good times. Don't yeah, don't don't watch out

655
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: for rock full audience.

656
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: I just want to throw something out there. Every single

657
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: time James tells us any story about his life, it

658
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: is just this this wonderfully vivid, like colorful story about

659
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: something that has happened to him, or an experience that

660
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: he's had, or a profession that he's had. That just

661
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: adds to the tone of interesting facts about James. So

662
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: if you, I don't know, I highly recommend you listen

663
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: to every single episode that James is on because you

664
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: have lived a fascinating life and that is merely a

665
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: split second of it. That's wild. I'm glad, you're okay, Yeah,

666
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: I'm fine, but yeah, you know, clearly here we are

667
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: with that, right, especially.

668
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: In wildern smetter. Then there's an emphasis on using what

669
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: you already have, and because you can't bring everything into wilderness, right,

670
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm saying. Knowledge doesn't wear anything. It

671
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: doesn't take up any space in your pack. So you

672
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: can use an air mattress pretty well. To splint a

673
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: leg injury. You can use one of those foam so

674
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: air mattress is a guy that you sleep on. Yeah yeah, yeah,

675
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: So you can kind of a fandangle those up around

676
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: a leg. You can use a therm arrest or similar

677
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: other products are available foam sleeping mattress. You can use

678
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: a hiking pole tent pole. Tentpoles are kind of nice

679
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: because you can break them down into sections to get

680
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: the right length, and then all you're using from your

681
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: first aid kit is your it's your tape, right or

682
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: I like ski straps. I touch everything in my life.

683
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: It's important to me with ski straps. So I love

684
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: a ski strap and I had some ski straps, and

685
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: you can just splint that bad boy with a couple

686
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: of ski straps, a couple of tent poles back of

687
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: the neck. You're not having a great day at that point.

688
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: This is not the kind of medical care you'd hope

689
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: for in a professional setting. But you know, if you've

690
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: got that and you've got a crush, you can you

691
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: can get yourself to a higher degree of care. So

692
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: when we're doing stuff like that, I believe Knowles has

693
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: a Wilderness Medicine app. There's Deployed Medicine, which is a

694
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: US military resource for field care, which can help to

695
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: remind you of stuff that you've already trained on. It's

696
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: not going to teach you to do stuff you shouldn't,

697
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: just read about it on there and use it. And

698
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: there's a new one called Goes Goes which literally launched

699
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: like this week, Goes Health, which it's offline to It

700
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: gives an offline data base of wilderness medicine and it

701
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: helps you kind of with diagnostic cues of stuff. So

702
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: when you do your wilderness first responder, at least when

703
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: I did it, someone must have had an ectopic pregnancy

704
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: and had a very bad outcome, because they'll they'll ask

705
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: you with all these questions like what could this be?

706
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: What could this be? And like they want you to

707
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: be able to know what an act topic pregnancy is

708
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 1: so like, but there's like a sort of flow chart

709
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: that you can follow right to help you be like

710
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: what is this is appendicitis what's going on here? So when?

711
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: Because you probably won't remember every certainly if you take

712
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: a woof of course and then two years later, you

713
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: know you before you recertify it, like something happens, a

714
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: lot could happen in two years, you won't have remembered

715
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: everything that you learned in your course. Right, So some

716
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: of those apps are useful, but the most important thing

717
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: the thing where you will learn to use all of

718
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: the items in this I fat is stopped the bleed

719
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: and it is free, and that is where everyone should start.

720
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: They're not going to teach you how to use all

721
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: the things. So if we bust open the bag that

722
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: you got Daniel quickly, it's overstuffed.

723
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things in there. Yeah wait, too

724
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: many things. I mean literally like as there is a

725
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: there is a pouch of emergency drinking water. Oh yeah,

726
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 2: there is there is a watch McCall it, a bright

727
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: stick like a little light stick. There is about one

728
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: hundred different kinds of watch McCall it. Like look at

729
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: this literal just like pile of band aids, just like

730
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: hundreds of band aids and alcohol wipes and oh there's

731
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: a whistle. A whistle is should you get lost in

732
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: the wilderness.

733
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: This is a very handy in urban or rural dishausters,

734
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: but not for fiestat, not for this.

735
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: I don't think any of this stuff is necessarily bad.

736
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: It's just there's just way too much. There's gauze pads.

737
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: There is this ABD pad sterile extra absorbent pad yep

738
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: that you know, I don't think is going to do

739
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: what it needs to do. But there's a shit ton

740
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: of gauze in here. And there are look, you want

741
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: to talk about things to cut open. You're talking about

742
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: clothing scissors. These little guys are I don't think are

743
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: going to do that. No, that tape and stuff exactly

744
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: trimming tape. There's also tweezers in here. I really this

745
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: feels like for people who are in the wilderness and

746
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 2: they get a splinter.

747
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that stuff super handy to having your

748
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: truck or your car, Like motorcycle guys are only pretty good. Yes, yeah,

749
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: it's not gonna immediately stop you from dying from loss

750
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: of blood, which is more we're concerned without. If you

751
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: do ride a motorcycle. You really want to fucking have one,

752
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: Like I ride a bicycle, and I have seen some

753
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: motor vehicle accidents, and I'm just going to say, motorcycle

754
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: folks want to have that. Someone else can grab it

755
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: off your motorbi I can use it if you've hurt yourself.

756
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: But sure, I've seen that happen before. So yeah, that

757
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: stuff is all very handy, it's all very nice. It

758
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: can make you feel better, right, Like there's I imagine

759
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: there's a ton of viberprofen and paracetamol and benadryl. All

760
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: that stuff is great. That stuff's super handy, right, And

761
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: another thing I would add is some of that stuff

762
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: can be life saving if you have an allergy, right,

763
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: and you need to take something for that, Yeah, put

764
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: that in your first aid kit because that's particular to you. Right.

765
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: And if you if that's going to if you need

766
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: an EpiPen, then have your EpiPen of course, right, you know,

767
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do. Anyway, if you have diabetes, have

768
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: your gluca garden and some Sure, all of that stuff

769
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: is of course important. But in terms of like dealing

770
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: with what we perceive to be an increased risk of

771
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: like homophobic violence, which normally manifests itself as people getting

772
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: shot in this country. Then the little scissors and their

773
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: ABD pad, the band aids aren't what we need and

774
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: they're just going to get in the way. So even

775
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: if you have those, great keep them in the car.

776
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: I gave tons of people band aids because they've got

777
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: blisters in twenty twenty, right, because people are not familiar

778
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: with walking that far. Their boots sucked. People decided to

779
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: wear heavy boots because they were worried. All understandable things.

780
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: It's a lot of band aids, a lot of a

781
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: lot of horseshoe plasters or of you know, like second skin. Great,

782
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: happy to give you one of those things. I'll keep

783
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: it in a different pocket though, right, So so I'm

784
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: not you know, sorting pats of blister plasters if someone's

785
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: been shot. And that's a good tip regardless of what

786
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: you're doing, what you even if you're doing, you know,

787
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: you're bringing more stuff and more WEP. But it's great aspirin.

788
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: I bet people need that sometimes, or iyeberprofiene if their

789
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: knees hurting from walking a lot, Great pound that shit.

790
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: But like, don't that's not what we want. We don't

791
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: want to be administering medicines really, certainly if we're not

792
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: trying to do so after a trauma thing, because some

793
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: of they pay medicines we might be taking might might

794
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: inhibit blood clotting, right, So we don't want to be

795
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: doing that before that person goes on too a higher

796
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: standard ca it's going to fucking suck for them. But

797
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: like you're, the best you can do is stop that

798
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: person dying or help someone else who's qualified to do

799
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: that by just saying, hey, I have this stuff, and

800
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: it's all pretty compact, you know, like I said, it's

801
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: it's you know, the size of a paperback book, decent

802
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: sized paperback books, something like that, and having it may

803
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: or may not be hopefully right. You just buy this

804
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: thing and it sits around for a while, and eventually,

805
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: if you've been having the tornicque in the sun for

806
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: years and years, you want to replace it. The UV

807
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: can cause them to decay. You can just put them

808
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: inside a pouch. I've made all kinds of pouches for them.

809
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: You can buy an expensive one on the internet, or

810
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: you can just use a piece so a piece of nylon,

811
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: which is what I do two rubber bands and put

812
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: it inside your waistband of your thing. Many many such

813
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: solutions exist, But yeah, I would encourage everyone. I think

814
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: I've said it's about twenty eight times to get training

815
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: and not just to just go and do this. If

816
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: you can't access that training straight away and you want

817
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: to get the stuff where you look for training, that's fine.

818
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: Just don't be doing stuff you don't know how to do,

819
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: because you know someone might confuse out for someone who

820
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: is qualified and is helping. And then if you don't

821
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: know what you're doing and you make a mistake, and

822
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: that that could be worse than someone. If someone comes

823
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: in and they're doing triage right, they're saying, who do

824
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: we need to treat now? Who do we need to

825
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: treat later? Who can't we help then? And they see

826
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: you doing that, Okay, that person's covered that. You want

827
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: to be sure that you're covering what you're doing. So yeah,

828
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: just make sure you get the training. We're not trying

829
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: to scare you into not going to things. Please don't

830
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: feel afraid. I know it's very easy to feel afraid.

831
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: That's of course the goal of you know, most of

832
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: these people, their ass is welded to their gaming chair,

833
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: and they will never actually come into the streets and

834
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: hurt you. They just stay stuff on Twitter dot com

835
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: and like, you're fine. But it's very reasonable to be prudent.

836
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: And certainly this is stuff I have in my truk,

837
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: I have it in my bag, I have it in

838
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: most places I go, and you know, you get used

839
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: to it. It's fine, and take it a course. And

840
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: I'm on work trips and I try and leave lots

841
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: of it with my colleagues who can't access it so

842
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: easily in other countries. So yeah, I hope that's helpful

843
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: for people. Mind. It's mind, Yeah, yeah, it is. It's

844
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: it's and I look, I guess just to wrap up

845
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: like you are not. I don't watch television really, Hugh Laurie,

846
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: what's Hugh Lurry's deal house? Oh house? Yeah, or like

847
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: some other super doctor, right, like you can't heal everyone.

848
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: Bad things happen, But it's just peace of mind and

849
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: trying to do your best to help everyone. And that's

850
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: relatively accessible and not too expensive. I think there's an

851
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: IPAC fund which gives youse away for free as well,

852
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: so cool. That's where we're looking in too. If that's

853
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: if someone can find that, they can send it to

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Speaker 1: me and I will post it. But yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: peace of mind and it's it's not too hard to

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Speaker 1: get that training. So go out there and do that.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Do it with someone you love, do it, do it

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Speaker 1: for fun, do it with your friend, make it. Do

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Speaker 1: it on a date. Yeah, find someone on Tuesday. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: do it. Let us know how that goes.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's your favorite color? So what are you doing

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Speaker 2: this weekend? Wanted to a stop the bleed course.

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Speaker 1: I think that's very sexy, Ei one hundred percent be

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Speaker 1: into that exactly. Yeah, please don't DM me with potential

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Speaker 1: still the bleeping no jams, No, no, don't do it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, hopefully that helps people. Wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Well, James, thank you so much for this awesome information.

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Speaker 2: It's been an absolute pleasure being on the show with you.

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Speaker 2: And we'll post links in the chat or post sorry,

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Speaker 2: post link the chat that we have. Gosh, exactly that

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Speaker 2: that's that's my twitch shit coming through. Will post links

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Speaker 2: in the description of the episode, and yeah, I look

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Speaker 2: forward to doing this again with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Daniel, talking of your twitch shit, where can people

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Speaker 1: find you twitch? Shit.

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Speaker 2: They don't need to find me anywhere, but if you

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Speaker 2: want to find me, you can twitch your address, TV,

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Speaker 2: slash Twitch dot tv, slash DJ Underscore Daniel d A

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Speaker 2: n L. And if you want to come ask me

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Speaker 2: what Robert smells like. I will not ban you, but

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Speaker 2: I will time you out for ten minutes, so you know,

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Speaker 2: just you know, know that I'm happy to have whoever

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Speaker 2: wants to come watch the watch the twitch stream, but

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to answer any weird questions about my coworkers.

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Speaker 1: As you should be. Thank you Daniel, Thank you James.

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