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Speaker 1: The is one Bill's Live presented by called Light a Health. Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. Chris

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Speaker 1: Brown Steve Tasker with you live from the Indianapolis Convention

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Speaker 1: Center in downtown Indie for another week of underwear Olympics

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Speaker 1: and hearing from gms and head coaches from around the league.

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Speaker 1: Stee's it was entertaining getting in here this morning. You

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Speaker 1: got here last night on the road after a long

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Speaker 1: jam pack show for everybody? We do. We recorded a

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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff for you guys, our listeners, and we

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Speaker 1: go from this time of year where we're kind of

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Speaker 1: my line is we're sipping tea out of a cup

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Speaker 1: to now we're today we're drinking out of a fire

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Speaker 1: hose here because we got all kinds of people that

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Speaker 1: it really is a tent pole event for the league

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Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun today catching up with

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Speaker 1: all the people around the country we know, and all

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Speaker 1: our guests that we have on the show week to

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Speaker 1: week basis throughout the season and throughout the year. They're

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Speaker 1: and all the friends of the show, and it really

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Speaker 1: and all the media guys catching up for a minute,

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Speaker 1: that was made today with Buffalo's staff and a little

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Speaker 1: decision made by defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier. He has decided

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Speaker 1: not be coaching on the Bill's staff for the twenty

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Speaker 1: to mention, by the way, their head coach, who has

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Speaker 1: In fact, Ron rivera head coach of the Commanders, today

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Speaker 1: back to One Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

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Speaker 1: Some coaching moves today that coach McDermott had to square

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Speaker 1: this point, you wouldn't necessarily have to interview, So we'll

430
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: just we'll look internally again as I started out, you know,

431
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Sean have been around him as as a as a

432
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, uh in my time in Caroline obviously wasn't

433
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: Philly before that. So um, it's it's on that side

434
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: of the ball, and we feel we got a lot

435
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: of good people in, you know, in that defensive staff room.

436
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: We've added Joe Danna and Al Holcom this year to

437
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: that group. Al's been a defensive coordinator before. H really

438
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: like being around Joe, you know the ball we've talked

439
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: early on so um, you know, adding him to the

440
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: group of Eric Washington and um, Bobby Babbitt and John

441
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: Butler and that cruise. So UM, now, well we'll look

442
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: internally and uh, if we decide that it's something that

443
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: we want to feel with a you know, a you know,

444
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: a position given someone that title, then yes, you would

445
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: go through the interview process and a guy like Al

446
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: could pick up the slack based on his history, he

447
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: would think like, if if that's the decision that you

448
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: guys made, that would make a lot of sense. That

449
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: would think, yeah, yeah, let's get to the business. Did

450
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: you got to take care of here? At your season

451
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: wrap up press conference in late January, you said in

452
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: order to get CAP compliant, you'll have to make moves.

453
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: So I would assume that includes tough decisions like roster cuts,

454
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: contract restructures, and then you got all the free agents

455
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: coming off your books here in twenty twenty three. If

456
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: you had to make a pie chart for us, what

457
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: part of those avenues that you can take would make

458
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: up the biggest part of the pie chart? Do you think? Yeah,

459
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: I mean probably more restructuring than outright releases. You know,

460
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: not to say no one would be released, but we

461
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: are definitely looking at everything. We've got our plan kind

462
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: of laid out, working through that, you know, with with

463
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, certain players representatives and things like that. But yeah,

464
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: we were definitely in that twenty range of being over

465
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: so we you know, we've got until you know, March

466
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: fifteen to get that in compliance. And then you know,

467
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: obviously we got to create money to be able to

468
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: add some players. Years back and and then sign your

469
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: draft picks and and all the above. So working through

470
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: that right now, and and those conversations will continue between

471
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: now and then starting the league year. So when this,

472
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: uh is this offseason rules along? Um, your philosophy, I

473
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: guess from from what got you to this point to

474
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: be in this contender every year where you're in the

475
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: in the conversation and once again you're gonna be this year. Uh,

476
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: even though you can't come up and you fall short

477
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: on a game or two games or whatever, the philosophy

478
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: really doesn't change. I mean, you got it going on.

479
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: You just got to try and do what you're doing

480
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: better than you did last time. Right, Yeah, you're always

481
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: tweaking it, you know, you know, you know it starts

482
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: with with quarterback. We know we have a quarterback, and

483
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: so what what positions? Um, do you feel like, hey,

484
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: we didn't get enough production there? What what's our answer

485
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: is this? Is this filling in with a draft choice?

486
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: Do we have a young player that we feel is

487
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: ready to ascend? Um? Is it a you know what

488
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: we need to go out and kind of feel this

489
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: in free agency? Maybe it's a COMBA. Maybe you bring

490
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: in competition in free agency but you know you look

491
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: to add the draft as well, So we're looking at

492
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: all those things and you are constantly trying to tweak

493
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: and just find that right combination and some of its

494
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: people too. You know, you're when you're building a team,

495
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: it's it's not robots. These are people and how they

496
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: gel together and how they work together and the whole

497
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: mesh parts. So that will be a big part of

498
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: how we reap every every years a new year, we

499
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: talk about that every team's a new team, and so

500
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: finding the right fits on the field and in our

501
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: locker room is goal number one. As far as the

502
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 1: fans are concerned. The names we that keep coming up

503
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: that they're interested in hearing about is Edmonds Employer. Obviously

504
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: two of your bigger free agent guys have there. Where

505
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: are we there? We had preliminary talks. I know you

506
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: guys every offseason when you have free agency. Here's the

507
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: value we can set for you. Guys. If you feel

508
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: you can do better, good luck to you, and if

509
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: you want to come back, we're here. Where are you

510
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: in that whole process with those two guys in particular, Yeah,

511
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: well we'll have dialogue with those guys, you know, I

512
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: don't want to get into how deep we are with either,

513
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: but yes, that we will have dialogue. Um, you know,

514
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: if we haven't already with with their reps and and

515
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: you know, spoke to those guys at the end of

516
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: the season and they know we love them and respect

517
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: them and appreciate them. And and you know, this is

518
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: the business part. It's it's not you're not at you know,

519
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: it's not scholarships. It's not college where you can say, yeah,

520
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you another year of a scholarship. That would

521
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: be easy. Um, you don't want to lose good players.

522
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: That's not the goal. You want to keep as many

523
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: as you can. But we do have to fit it

524
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: into that pie you were talking about earlier, and so um,

525
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: you know it won't be easy, but we'll, you know,

526
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: we'll look and see what ways we can keep one

527
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: or both and um, if not, we'll you know, if

528
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: we can't keep either one of them, will look in

529
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: other ways to to you know, refill those voids. One

530
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: of the things that not only that you had players

531
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: that you're you think can ascend now, but you also

532
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: have guys that are contracts are up and you've got

533
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the safety position. You've got

534
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: like one guy. Yeah, right, so they're also because of

535
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: the way the contracts end or start or the length

536
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: of that they all end at the same time, or

537
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: some of them do. And then you've got question marks

538
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: like damara, um, how do you attack those? Knowing like

539
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, Saffold and the guards and

540
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: Bucker and Bates and these guys that are the end

541
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: yea of their contract. You gotta you know, I mean,

542
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: you have enough guys right at this point. I mean,

543
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: it's just that kind of It's that time of year

544
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: right where you're looking around and going, you know, we

545
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: couldn't do it today. We had to line up. No,

546
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: how do you attack that? And how urgent is that,

547
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, given the fact that you got all this

548
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: other stuff going on? Yeah, I mean, you want to

549
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: make sure you're filling it with guys, not just to hey,

550
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: oh we got it. But it's really not the answer.

551
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: You want to make sure you're you're trying to find

552
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: the right answers and the end it's not necessarily the

553
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: final answer, but it's at least, hey, this guy can

554
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: come in and compete you know with whoever for safety

555
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: or this guy can compete at guard, you know, mentioning

556
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, Roger Saffold's contractum expiring as well, So we'll

557
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: look at all those um. Again, people are being you're

558
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: hearing about it right now, where guys are being released,

559
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: Other teams are trying to get under the cap. So

560
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: we'll we'll pay it to mention of those names guys

561
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: that are being released. Obviously, we'll pay it to. You know,

562
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: we've been looking at upcoming free agents and some of

563
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: those guys, and then you know, here we're also studying

564
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: guys that will be available in the draft, you know,

565
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: at the various rounds. So we'll kind of look at

566
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: all those, if you know, areas that are deeper in

567
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: the draft, maybe you'll hold off a little bit and say, hey,

568
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: I think we can get if there's a if we

569
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: go man that's a thin position in the draft, we

570
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: probably should see if we can shore up at least

571
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: at least a guy that can compete for it. And

572
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: if you draft over them, so be it. Speaking of

573
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: offensive line, a lot of your offensive line contracts over

574
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: the years have been of the one year variety. For

575
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: whatever your philosophical approaches to that, you know, fine, whatever,

576
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: but has your salary cap situation almost kind of I

577
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: don't want to say pushed you because you can always

578
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: work the numbers in a certain way, but is it

579
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: almost prudent to keep doing that in light of your

580
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: tight cap situation right now? The one year kind of

581
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: deal so you're not tied up for you years on end. Yeah,

582
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean we have Mitch and and Dion or our

583
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: big you know spending you know areas, and you can't

584
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: do it across the board. Ryan Bates last year, you know,

585
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: through the restricted tag. You know, we got him. So

586
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: we've got a few that are under longer deals. And

587
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown a draft pick. Unless you draft a guy,

588
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to have you know, a you know, a

589
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: whole line of all guys under three and four year deals.

590
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, we have had to feel, um, those guard

591
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: rolls a little bit with one year deals or two

592
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: year deals, and um, if we found the right guy

593
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: that that we could work within the cap that's a

594
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: two year or three year, I'd love it because it

595
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: gives me a little piece uXt year. But uh, well,

596
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: and you want continuity. You're not trying to shuffle it out.

597
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: But sometimes what we find too is we're able to

598
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: get a player on a lesser deal who doesn't want

599
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: to be locked up at a lower number for multiple years.

600
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: They're willing to do it for one, but they're not

601
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: willing to do it for two or three because they

602
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: want to up their value and go back to the market.

603
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: And if we can find a depressed asset that we

604
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: think is better than that market, those are the Those

605
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: are the kind of values you look to try and

606
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: feel spots. So early returns on this combine this draft class,

607
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: positions you think might be thicker than you know, as

608
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: we say, yeah, I mean it's it's it's still early

609
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: in the process. I do think there are um, you know,

610
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: some pass rushers, uh this year again, I think, um

611
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: the dbs and receivers. It feels like the more and

612
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: more years of seven on sevens and all that, it

613
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: feels like there's more and more guys you know at

614
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: those positions. I think there's some tight ends out there.

615
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I do and and um so I think there's gonna

616
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: be some positions that we can we can add some players.

617
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: There's there's old line D line too. Um you know,

618
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a good I don't know

619
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: if it's I don't know if there's a lot of

620
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: the marquee names at the top, you know, of of

621
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: the draft. There's a few, but um, but I think

622
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: there's you know, definitely some depth in the draft at

623
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: positions that we could definitely use. So if you're looking

624
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of people have been trumpeting the tight

625
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: end class being really really strong, like a larger number

626
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: than usual, and you know, all these draft guys top

627
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: fifties and stuff, is that do you think the tight

628
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: end class could be good enough from a pass catching

629
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: perspective where let's just say a team out there is

630
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: in the market for a receiver but the value doesn't

631
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: line up, but there's a tight end option and it's

632
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: like that guy's just as good as getting this guy

633
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: who we think could have been a plugin play to receiver.

634
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like the tight ends are almost

635
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: getting to a point where their playmaking skills are comparable. Yeah,

636
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: now you're you're looking for mismatches out there, you really are,

637
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: And so you're trying to you know, does the tight

638
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: end is he just a receiver only? And they know it.

639
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: If so, they're probably gonna play him like a receiver.

640
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: But if you can find those guys that are not

641
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: a throwaway in the run game, can put their hand

642
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: in the dirt and at least you know, crack even

643
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: crack neutral, then you know, maybe you get them in

644
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: a base and you can throw it off of that

645
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: or good enough to if they want to play you

646
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: in nickel. You know, if you've got two tight ends

647
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: in the game, you're in twelve that you can run

648
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: the ball, all right, you want to play us in nickel,

649
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna try and run it. So I do think

650
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: there's some some tight ends out there, whether it's free

651
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: agency or the draft, that can give you that flexibility

652
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: to add. And that's what I'm It's not that, hey,

653
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: you got to go fill this receiver. We're looking for

654
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: positions on offense beyond the old line that where can

655
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: we add a mismatch type player, you know, And you

656
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: know that's where we you know, went in and tried

657
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: to find a James Cook last year. We added Hines

658
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: and just guys that you can do different pieces with

659
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: that can you know, can be a mismatch from your

660
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: standard just a receiver, you know, that's just a Stefan

661
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: Diggs gave Davis whoever else. How do you anticipate getting

662
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: to that point in this free agent market, to the

663
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: point where you can take whatever the position the guy

664
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: is in the draft, you can be able to take

665
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: the best player available. I mean that's always the goal,

666
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: right Yeah, And of course it you know, becomes it's

667
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: easier or more difficult each year combines. How about this year.

668
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: It might be a little different, more difficult this year

669
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: than it was perhaps last year. And maybe it's because

670
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: of the you know, Vaughan's contract that you didn't know

671
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: we were gonna do that, and then it was like, gosh,

672
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: maybe we should Yeah, right, so you know, stuff like

673
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: that happens, he gets dropped into your lap. You gotta

674
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: take that opportunity to get a guy like von Miller, know,

675
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: and down the road for the next couple three years,

676
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be more difficult to get to that point

677
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: on draft day to take the best pro that's the

678
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: best guy is gonna be a best pro in that draft,

679
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: what your position. It is a balance, and you're right,

680
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: it's it is hard because we are a little bit

681
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: top heavy. You know, we are paying Josh on that

682
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: contract and adding you know, we we redid Diggs last

683
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: year and and then adding a von Miller. But you're right,

684
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: just you know, you saw what Vaughan brought to our

685
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: team and to our pass rush and our defense, and

686
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: he was doing exactly what we thought he would do

687
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: for us. And and unfortunately, you know, got got rolled

688
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: into in Detroit there and Thanksgiving. But he's doing well

689
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: in his rehab and look forward to getting the healthy

690
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: von Miller back. You know, they don't those guys don't

691
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: grow on trees, but yeah, it does. The more top

692
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: heavy you are, Steve, it does make it hard to

693
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: fill all the spots in free agency. In the perfect world,

694
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: my goal is always to fill the fill as many

695
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: needs as you can in free agency, so you can

696
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: just go draft those best players and grow. Because sometimes

697
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: there's rookies they're adjusting to life and even though they

698
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: have the skill set ready, there's so many things from

699
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: that transition you're not quite ready to put them out

700
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: there as a starter. Maybe that you know, they become

701
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: a key backup. So we're gonna need young guys to

702
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: step up and play because to your point, um, we

703
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: are a little top heavy, and it's it's hard to

704
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: always have the depth when you have the you know

705
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: the salaries, you know where we have some of them.

706
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: Last one for me, Brandon, we kind of look at

707
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: the Chiefs because there are a couple of years ahead

708
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: of you guys in their build can compare to yours.

709
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: And we saw them kind of rebuild their offensive line

710
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: when you know, Mahomes was getting under durest in that

711
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They kind of threw all their money there.

712
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: They turn over their receiving corps this year, and then

713
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: I think the most interesting thing was they had to

714
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: take a lot of their draft class and put them

715
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: on the field because if some of those maneuvers that

716
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: they've had to make. I know, coaches all about earning it,

717
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: and I totally respect it. But do you think that

718
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: the team is maybe getting to a point where those

719
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: young players are gonna have to get on the field,

720
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: maybe sooner than we've seen in the recent past. Yeah,

721
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's where it's the onest I look

722
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: right in the mirror. It comes back to me. I've

723
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: got to make sure that you know, myself and our

724
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: personnel staff get guys that can help us immediately, whether

725
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: it's a starter or a key you know, key role player,

726
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: key contributor, and again those guys in last year's class,

727
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, we were probably one of the slower teams

728
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: to put them out there. To what your point, We're

729
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: just you know, when you got a team that you

730
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: feel is very good, you want to make sure you

731
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: just know and sometimes until you get them out there

732
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: in moments, you don't know. And but we are going

733
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: to count on you know, these last couple of draft

734
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: classes that are going into years two and years three,

735
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: and then you know the other guys on the team.

736
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, this this upcoming draft class, we're going to

737
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: count on these guys too to help us in some

738
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: you know, some form or fashion. Last one, Uh, give

739
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: us an idea, what's your what's your day going to

740
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: be like? Day to day? Here? If you're half through Saturday, right,

741
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: I mean they had I mean I know that most

742
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: of the guys and you know, we we see all

743
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: these old guys we know and stuff. They're all tied

744
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: up until like eleven at night because you're talking to kids. Yeah,

745
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: I mean, so is that kind of the way it goes?

746
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: And workouts started like what three o'clock or something. Yeah,

747
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: they keep adjusting the schedule around, but um, it's right now.

748
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: Used to be it was interviews at night, and then

749
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: they moved a lot of them to the morning and

750
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: then but they've they've bounced them around, so like tonight,

751
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: we had them last night, we have them again tonight,

752
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: and then starting tomorrow we have them morning and night. Um,

753
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: and then Thursday you got to squeeze in morning workout,

754
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: I mean a morning interview, workouts during the day, and

755
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: then night interviews again. So we've got some we've got

756
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: some pack days. They are the workouts are not as

757
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: late as they were. They've moved them back up, which

758
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: I think is better for for the kids. So yeah,

759
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: so how many are you allowed? How many are you

760
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: going to see that kind of thing? So forty five

761
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: we get forty five, forty five guys for like a

762
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen to twenty minute interview schedule. So they have

763
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: like a gestapo, you know kind of guys like, oh,

764
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: your time's up kind of guy. Well, every team has

765
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: the airhorn, isn't it. They still use the air They

766
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: have air horns. They're on the TVs. But um, we

767
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: have runners that go wait, we get their kind of

768
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: their dance card is what we call it. And if

769
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: we're taking a guy from um, you know, the commanders

770
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: or something like that. We have someone waiting to escort

771
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: them from that room into ours. And then when they

772
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: leave ours, somebody from where were team is waiting on them,

773
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: picks them and takes them up. So it's a good

774
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: little process. Thanks man, enjoy the week, Thanks for coming

775
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: on with us always. Good guys. Good appreciate you guys.

776
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: All right, that's Bill's Jim Brandon Bean. We will take

777
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: a break here, Steve and I back with more, including

778
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: an impending salary cap cut for the New York Giants.

779
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: Will tell you who that is next. Here on one

780
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: Bills Live, presented by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio

781
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: from the NFL Combine here in Indianapolis where we are

782
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: at the Downtown Convention Center doing what we do, day

783
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: one of our four days stay here and Indie covering

784
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: the combine for you and the salary cap casualties have

785
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: begun d d. The New York Giants have informed wide

786
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: receiver Kenny Galladay that come March fifteenth, he will be released.

787
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: They are waiting until the fifteenth because that would make

788
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: them eligible to save six point seven million against the cap.

789
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: By waiting until March fifteenth, Gala Day was set to

790
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: count twenty one point four total against the cap this year.

791
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: He is guaranteed though four and a half million dollars

792
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: from the Giants this season under his contract. There was

793
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: a good tweet earlier from our good friend Mike Janitty

794
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: from spot Track. He said, Kenny Golladay will receive a

795
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: four and a half million dollar cash roster bonus upon

796
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: being released. He earned just over forty million dollars in

797
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: two seasons with the Giants. He caught forty three passes

798
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: oof oof with a capital O, capital O, capital F

799
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: exclamation point that was from the previous regime Dave Gettlman

800
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: signed him in free agency, and the new regime under

801
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: Joe Shane is giving him a four and a half

802
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: million dollar check to go away. Wow. And we know

803
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: why they're doing that because they're trying to resign Daniel

804
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: Jones and they're trying to resign Quon Barkley and Joe

805
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Shane said they have had preliminary conversations with Daniel Jones representatives.

806
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: Where it at where it is in terms of you know,

807
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: how close they are. He would obviously not say when

808
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: he spoke here earlier today to the media. But that

809
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: is there, that's their aim. He fully expects Daniel Jones

810
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: to be their quarterback next year, and if they can't

811
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: do a deal, he'll use the tag on him, which

812
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: is big. That's a big number. Um. I mean, Daniel

813
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: Jones may be okay with that, you know. I mean,

814
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: you got a guy in a You got a head

815
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: coach who made you better, even though you only threw

816
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: fifteen touchdown passes. I can't get past that. I can't

817
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: get past that way better. Yeah, made better. Statistics are

818
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: not the guy. The guy got them to got the

819
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: New York Football Giants to the playoffs in a year

820
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: where they were supposed to be ugly correct, you know,

821
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: and they still have a lot of holes to fill

822
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: to upgrade the talent level on that roster. They had

823
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: a good draft class from in that helped in the trenches,

824
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: you know, Evan Neil, the offensive tackle from Alabama, cav

825
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: On Thibodeaux, the pass rusher from Oregon. I got those

826
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: two guys on the lines, did some other stuff to

827
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: help the roster. The build continues for the Giants, but

828
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: they've got some cost prohibitive contracts that they want to

829
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: rid themselves up from the previous regime. And it started

830
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: today with Galladay's one gay was going to be officially

831
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: let go of March fifteenth, when the new league year begins,

832
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: and I yeah, they're I mean, they've got work to do,

833
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: and sometimes you know it's eat well, I say, easy up.

834
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Let's let's remember it used to be take it used

835
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: to take a decade to rebuild. Right. Now you got

836
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: you can do it in a year or two years.

837
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: And if you've got some if you've got some guys

838
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: in the right spot, you can do it in one year,

839
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: go from worse to first. We've seen teams do it. Uh,

840
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: there's one team that does it every year, right. I

841
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: think the Giants are gonna get markedly better fast and

842
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: once they get the financials in order, and they can

843
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: do if they if they get sa Quon in in house, yeah,

844
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones, even if they franchise tag Danie Jones.

845
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: I think this is a team that's gonna whose expectations

846
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: are gonna go up sharply for this coming season because

847
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: the rest of their division outside of the Cowboys, who

848
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: were expectations are always super Bowl, whether they deserve it

849
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: or not. I mean, the Giants have got to feel like,

850
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: particularly with the Eagles sitting with all those free agents

851
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: and all the guys that are on there expiring contracts

852
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: and the whole thing, the Eagles are gonna it looks

853
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: like the Eagles are gonna implode quick. I don't know

854
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: if they will, because they had a good draft class

855
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: coming in last year. You know, they got a linebacker

856
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: and T J. Edwards who's a free agent. Does na

857
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: Kobe Dean, you know, their third round picked from last

858
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: year step into that starting role. They they could lose

859
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox, right, does Jordan Davis step into that role

860
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: to behemoth kid they drafted from Georgia last year. They

861
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: have a draft class that could step into those roles.

862
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: That's not to say they're gonna be just as good

863
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: or better, but at least they have people with some

864
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: measure of talent that they could put on the field

865
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: in their place. Because the Eagles, they kind of shot

866
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: their shot last offseason right, and it didn't work, and

867
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: now they're gonna have to regroup. But the Eagles also

868
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: they named the new offensive coordinators today, new play caller

869
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: and there's still something for a new DC. So the

870
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: story is the Giants feel like after that last season

871
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: where they kind of overachieved, the expectations even within their

872
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: building is going to be high, Yeah, I think, and

873
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they've got if they want to remain,

874
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: so they can't have any questions at quarterback, and that

875
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: means that Daniel Jones has got to be the guy,

876
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: because anybody else is going to be a question mark,

877
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: right unless they pull off the deal of the century

878
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: and get Aaron Rodgers in a trade or I don't

879
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: even know Derek Carr. But even so, yeah, Derek Carr's

880
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: a sideways moved to me, He's not in markedly better.

881
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: Because they used Daniel Jones legs as much as the

882
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: Bills did with Josh Allens. I think they feel they

883
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: can close the gap on the Eagles, maybe not pull

884
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: even with them, but certainly close the gap. I don't

885
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: know if you're getting all the way there with Jones

886
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: is your quarterback, but I guess we're gonna find out

887
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: one way or the other. But if they don't have

888
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: Jones to their quarterback, I think whatever happens, it's a

889
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: step backwards, all right. Fair enough, we have to take

890
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: a break here because when we come back. We're gonna

891
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: be joined in the second hour of the show by

892
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: NFL Network Draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah. Just came out with

893
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: his latest Top fifty prospects. We'll talk to him about

894
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: the draft class, where the strengths lie, and where the

895
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: value might be for the Bills position wise at twenty seven.

896
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah coming up next year on One Bills Live.

897
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: These one Bills Live presented by Called Light of Health.

898
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: Welcome back One Bills Live Live from the NFL Combine

899
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you in time

900
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: for us to turn to our conversation that we had

901
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: today with NFL Network Draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah. Okay, Daniel,

902
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: so let's start here because obviously every NFL club's fan

903
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: base is obsessed with their first round pick, and the

904
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: Bills are all the way down at twenty seven, which

905
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, you want to be down there because that

906
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: means you had a good season. But the waiting is

907
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: the hardest part, as we've heard before. So I think

908
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: the thing that Bills fans are most interested in is

909
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: what talent at what positions will push talent top talent

910
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: at other positions down to where the Bills sit at

911
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: twenty seven, if you know what I'm getting at there. Yeah,

912
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: I think that it's a really good group of edge rushers. Okay,

913
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: so I think you're going to see a big run

914
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: on those early in the draft. Obviously, the quarterback runs

915
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: is going to take place early up at the top ten,

916
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: but I think combined with that with the edge rushers,

917
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: I think you'll see a pretty good run on corners

918
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: as well. To me, if you're looking at like the

919
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: value of where they're picking right now, what does that

920
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: look like? I think interior offensive linemen is actually the

921
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: place where you're gonna find that we need one of those. Yeah, right,

922
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: And there's a good group there. And so let's talk

923
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks. I mean, is there four? Is there

924
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: a handful of guys top ten? I mean I know

925
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: that there's probably one or two at least always there is, ye,

926
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: but then the there's always one or two that are

927
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: elevated because they don't want to lose out on everybody. Yeah,

928
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: I think that I think we have a good shot

929
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: of seeing four of them go up there, you know,

930
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: and Anthony Richardson's the is the fourth one. I think

931
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: when we talk about him in the media, he kind

932
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: of is is mentioned as the fourth one I know,

933
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: and talking to teams, you know, there's some teams that

934
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: are really high on him. And you always get the

935
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: honest opinion when you talk to teams that have quarterbacks,

936
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: like I should call Bean because he's shooting me straight

937
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: on this right, because you're not taking one. But in

938
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: talking to some of the other quartant teams that already

939
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: have quarterbacks that happen as a second guy, and that's

940
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: flaws at all because they feel like, look, there's risk

941
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: with all these players. So sure, if I'm gonna take

942
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: a risk, I'd like to have the reward be as

943
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: high as possible. And his reward is sky high, right,

944
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: so's yeah, I mean he's gonna he's a four four

945
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: guy at two hundred and thirty plus pounds. I mean

946
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: you're talking like it's not when you're watching quarterbacks, especially

947
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: when you see him when they're that big, and you're

948
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: watching him in that conference in the SEC and you're

949
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: seeing eighty yard runs, sixty yard runs. Yeah, you're just

950
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: like that's not normal. That yeah, And I see that

951
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: because you know that when push comes to shove, and

952
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: all these young quarterbacks are gonna get into a spot

953
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: where they don't see it well enough. Yet they can

954
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: make the throw, but they don't see it right. Which

955
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: you know all that stuff, and you can cover up

956
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: a lot of sins if you can run a four

957
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: flour in your two hundred and thirty pounds. Yeah, And

958
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: I remember being up there during Josh's rookie year, and

959
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: that was I mean, he did not know the offense. Yeah,

960
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: that was him just run around like crazy, is making

961
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: things happen with his legs. And I think if you

962
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: look at Jalen Hurt's success as well, and you look

963
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: at maybe even the failure of some of the other

964
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks, and I firmly believe that your legs need

965
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: to be able to buy you enough time before you're

966
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: ready to point with your arm. And if you don't

967
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: have that athleticism, all of a sudden, you come out

968
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: there and now you're going through the normal learning curve.

969
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: There's no tolerance for that anymore. Nobody has any patience

970
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: for that. So you got to find a way to

971
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: be competitive in football games while you're trying to learn

972
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: how to play this very very tough, complicated position. Let's

973
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: let's say this. Then, where's the perfect place for a

974
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: guy like Richardson. Wow, that's a that's a great question

975
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: because he did want to go to New York because

976
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: they don't They've got the patience of an avalanche. There's

977
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: no chance. Yeah, that doesn't work there. So to me,

978
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: they gotta go to veteran. They gotta go to the the veteran,

979
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: right with the Jets. But when I look at Richardson,

980
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: I look at teams in the NFC South and I

981
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: just say, Okay, that division is infinitely winnable, you know, right,

982
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: and there's time to grow, Like the rest of the

983
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: division isn't. None of them they figured out, Yeah, none

984
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: of them. So it's like, okay, just just you pick

985
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: your team, pick them out of a hat. Atlanta. You

986
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: think about the Bucks, you know they're out of the

987
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: Tom Bradyvens. I know they like Kyle trast with that.

988
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: They don't know what they have there, Carolina. I mean

989
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: you go all the way down through the whole group,

990
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: the Saints that they all need a guy. Yeah, that's crazy. Uh,

991
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: interior offensive line, you said the value should be good

992
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: down there where the Bills are picking at twenty seven

993
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: so let me fire some names off at you. Osiris

994
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: Torrence may not be there, Steve Avila, the TCU kid,

995
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: Matthew bergeron the Syracuse Kid just down the thruway from us,

996
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: and then John Michael Schmidtz and Joe Tipman, that's his guy. Yeah.

997
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: I love Joe Tipman too, Steve, Steve Eville. I would

998
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: put him in there and keep Eville. I just became

999
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: a little bit familiar with over the course of the

1000
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: last week or so because I was looking at other guys.

1001
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: But he's all of a sudden he emerged on a

1002
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of people's board. He's a good player, and he

1003
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: can play any of those three interior spots. Tipman can

1004
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: really move. I mean he's kind of he's a taller center,

1005
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: which there has a sixth center. Yeah, I think we

1006
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: he'll probably come in here, probably in the six fives.

1007
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: But if you remember Max Hunger played for a long

1008
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: time a good player as a six foot five center

1009
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: coming out of Oregon. I think there's some similarities there.

1010
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 1: This kid can bend, he can really move, They pull

1011
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: him a ton, He gets out to the perimeter, does

1012
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: some cool things. So I think he's a really good player.

1013
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean John Michael Schmidtz is not as athletic as him, Okay,

1014
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: but he's you know, it's kind of one of those

1015
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: guys when you finished three games and you look down

1016
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, I don't want to have anything

1017
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: negative to say about it. I mean, there's nothing that

1018
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: just blows you away. He's like, yeah, he's not uncoiling

1019
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: his hips and dumping guys, but he's not giving up

1020
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: any pressure and he's getting his man block. He stays attached,

1021
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: so those guys play and then you can win with

1022
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: those guys. Florence is the elite trade guy, so he's

1023
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: gonna be size strength. He's not gonna test well here,

1024
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna run in the five five two range. This

1025
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: kid was four hundred pounds in high school, so he's

1026
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: dropped all this weight. But in talking to the and

1027
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: talking to the training facility where he's worked out, it's

1028
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: interesting because you can't move him. And one of the

1029
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: reasons I'm talking to the trainer about it, he said

1030
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: he's totally flat footed. So while that's not gonna help

1031
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: you on a forty, you don't want to be a

1032
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: heel striker flat footed runner. You're not gonna run fast.

1033
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: But he said, and in terms of an anchor of

1034
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: an offensive linement, it's great. All your cleats are in

1035
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: the ground. You're you're sunk into the ground. You're not

1036
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: moving that guy, right. Yeah, And that's that's a big issue,

1037
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: particularly the run game and short yards and all that.

1038
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't it does kind of set a limit on

1039
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: you where they can get what they can ask you

1040
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, because the Bills have got their

1041
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: tackles coming out. I mean they got a quarterback that

1042
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: can run out there and run a power sweep and

1043
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: they need to tackle. They can get outside and do that. Yeah,

1044
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: but they also don't want somebody that can get pushed

1045
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: back into his lap. I mean, it's all these positives

1046
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: and negatives on dred percent. Give us an idea too

1047
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: about That's why tell I'm telling you when when you

1048
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: dig into a vela can move Avila's three hundred and

1049
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: thirty plus pounds, he can be That's the thing. And

1050
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: then the bursier on kid too. Some people are saying tackle,

1051
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: some people are saying tackle. Okay, he's just so good

1052
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: as a kid. I think, yeah, he's got he's big enough. Yeah,

1053
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: it comes down to and I sometimes you get enamored

1054
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 1: with they got to be six five plus or whatever,

1055
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: but it doesn't if they're six to three and they

1056
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: got thirty eight inch arms. Well, even even if they're

1057
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: not as long, like I'm doing the charging games for

1058
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: Sean Slater is right, it's right at six four. He doesn't.

1059
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: He has thirty two inch arms, right, and he's unbelievable. Yeah, So,

1060
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know how to play, let's say,

1061
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: old dad, it's like you've been if you've been short

1062
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: your whole life, you know how to play. He's had

1063
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: these arms as all, and you're playing against elite competition

1064
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: in a big conference like that. What are you looking

1065
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: for in this? I mean everything, every one of these

1066
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: is different. We come up, we showed up here today.

1067
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: It's a little different than it was last year when

1068
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: we were here, and they they're they're tinkering with the

1069
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: schedule off and on. Um, what are you any feedback

1070
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: coming to you about out? You know guys who are

1071
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: looking to like all of a sudden, it's like wow,

1072
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: look at that guy. Yeah, there's gonna be some guys

1073
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: that that really stand out this week. Um. Adibaware is

1074
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle from Northwestern who you're gonna see. And

1075
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking to some people there said he's got thirty

1076
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: four inch arms. He's one of those guys. I love

1077
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: the profile of interior defensive lineman. They're a little bit shorter.

1078
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: He's six two, but he's got really long arms because

1079
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: now you have length and leverage and that is a

1080
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: nightmare to deal with as an interior offensive lineman. So

1081
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: he's he's he's gonna I was told beware of like

1082
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: some Aaron Donald type numbers from where So I know

1083
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: there's probably not quite as many alpha male receivers in

1084
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: this draft. So with that in mind, there's one, not

1085
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: even one, Okay, So with that in mind, where is

1086
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: the value best at the receiver position in this draft? Well,

1087
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: I think that where Buffalo is in the bottom of

1088
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: the first round, I think I could get one of

1089
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: the top guys there. I don't think we're gonna see

1090
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: these receivers go real high this year. And so that's

1091
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: the first wave. And if you think there's you know,

1092
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 1: four or five you know of in that first group,

1093
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: I think they'll have a shot at one of those

1094
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: guys where they are. And then I think, to me,

1095
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: the second round. I don't. I don't like I think

1096
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: there's a gap. I think you have that five solid, good,

1097
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: solid players. I think there's a gap and then and

1098
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a truckload of guys. So I you know,

1099
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: it's one of those deals where I don't I wouldn't

1100
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: be all that fired up about taking one in the

1101
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: third round when I could probably take one in the

1102
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: fifth or six and it's not gonna be that much different.

1103
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: Do you think there will be a wide variance of

1104
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: grades on those think that some people say that guy's

1105
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: a two for us, another day three. Yeah, I would

1106
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: even say I think you'll see a lot of you know,

1107
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: he's maybe a third round guy for us and he's

1108
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: a six or seventh round guys. But I think you'll

1109
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: see it what they run here and how they move

1110
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: around because it's all clumped. I think this. You know, everybody,

1111
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: everybody always asks what's the value of the combine, and

1112
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's it's not to say who the best

1113
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: player the worst player is. It's take a clump of

1114
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: three or four guys, watch them move around during the week,

1115
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: and not just all their testing, but just eyeball and

1116
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: watching to move around and that's a little separator, you know,

1117
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: and that's what this the value of this thing is interesting.

1118
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: Any Um, what's what's your favorite part of this whole

1119
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: week long? I still like, I mean, there's something that's

1120
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: just the little kid and he likes guys running fast,

1121
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, like it's like I wish they'd let him race,

1122
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, but it's but you know when you see,

1123
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: when you know the years I've been fortunate enough to

1124
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: do it on this side of things, when you get

1125
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: a Jordan Davis out there, you know, Kay Beckton was

1126
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: here when he ran, Like, it's cool to see these

1127
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: these are physical freaks. Yeah. Um, so deep end to

1128
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: the gene pool. Yeah no, I mean I remember coming

1129
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: out My first year here was oh three, So it's

1130
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: been a it's been a while doing this from the

1131
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: team side of things all the way to this, and

1132
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean I can remember the stories, you know, and

1133
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: watching Calvin Johnson, who he's not gonna run. He's not

1134
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: gonna run. Then all of a sudden there like wait

1135
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: a say he just borrowed somebody's shoes. I guess he

1136
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: is gonna run, and he joker runs four three at

1137
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty five pounds. I mean, the guy

1138
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: was so freak. I still remember when Jason Peters ran

1139
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: a four eight five and that was a big deal

1140
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: back then he was and he was a tight end

1141
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: then at the combine, Yeah, Lane Johnson was rolling out there.

1142
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: There's some guys that are j. J. Watt was a

1143
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: big time workout, very different. Yeah, so that to me

1144
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: is still fun. Again. I know there's people underwear Olympics

1145
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: and what are we doing and you don't and like,

1146
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is not the only way draft players.

1147
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: This is a part of It's just it's it's a

1148
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: part of the process. You don't make it more than

1149
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: it is. But what the heck else you got better

1150
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: to do? Right now? I mean it's spring training. I mean,

1151
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: come on, that's right. We got this far into it

1152
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: without discussing the much bally who tight end class, which

1153
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: I know you're very high on. Listening to your conference

1154
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: call last week, I think you said you had five

1155
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: in your top fifty. There's a bunch of as many

1156
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: as ten in your first three or four rounds. I

1157
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: think that's a high numb ten or eleven where I

1158
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: gave them a potential starter grade which usually equates about

1159
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: the third round, which means not all, there's no way

1160
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: those guys are all going a third right, You're gonna

1161
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: get guys in the fifth round. This this draft that

1162
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: I think can be starters, can be good starting caliber

1163
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: tight ends, And it hasn't been that way. It's been

1164
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: a lot of years where you know, I go through

1165
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: and um, you know, when you're when you're scouting on

1166
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: the road, you go into the school and you watch

1167
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: players by school. So you go in there and I

1168
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: got to watch all the old house on this side

1169
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: of things, I just go by the position today's you know,

1170
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: for this week, I'm watching receivers, you know whatever. It's

1171
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: just one after another after another. And I can't tell

1172
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: you the number of years when it's tight ends and

1173
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, can one of these guys play?

1174
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: Come on, give me one? And this year was like boom,

1175
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: we were talking to you're getting a big influx nowadays.

1176
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: And this year has had a little bit different because

1177
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: you said there's no alpha male receivers. Yeah, but for

1178
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: four or five years, we've had a huge amount of

1179
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: wide out, a huge amount of quarters, a huge amount

1180
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: of defensive backs who can really play because all these

1181
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: seven on seven camps, these guys are going and they're

1182
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: starting to see the passing game at a much younger

1183
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: age and getting more polished coaching. Uh. Is it finally

1184
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: getting to the tight end spot maybe or is this

1185
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: just kind of an aberration. Well, you know, we'll see

1186
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: going in the next year. I know one thing that

1187
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: the best tight end in college football is not in

1188
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: this draft. That kid at Georgia's unbelievable. I went to

1189
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: I took my son to the National championship game. My

1190
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: son goes to Baylor, so it was his best day

1191
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: to watch TCU get their teeth kicked out. He enjoyed it.

1192
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: He had a great time. But so we go to

1193
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: the game and before the game starts and he's a

1194
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: college football fans who knew he was, And I said,

1195
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: watch how much better that Georgia Titan is than everybody

1196
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: else on this field? And it was like five plays

1197
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: into the game, He's like, it's not even close. It

1198
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: looks like he's playing a different speed. Yeah yeah yeah,

1199
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: And he's not draft eligible until next year. Crazy No,

1200
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: I called I called the Uh, this is this is

1201
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: how George's winning back to back National Championships. Their offensive

1202
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: line coach is a good buddy of mine and coach

1203
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: me in college. So I called him and I said, hey, coach, uh,

1204
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: tell me about your freak tight end right And he goes, well,

1205
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: he's not in the draft. I go, no, no, no,

1206
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: the other freak tight end. Seventy five pound guys gonna

1207
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: run four six out here. He's like, oh, the other

1208
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: tight end. So yeah, I mean we know that this

1209
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: is a matchup league. So in a year where the

1210
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: receiver class is not over the top plentiful with top

1211
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: end guys all the way through to round four, how

1212
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: often could you see teams maybe pivoting and saying, give

1213
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: me the tight end. I think so, I think you

1214
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: got to look at it as weapons, you know. I

1215
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: think you just put him in that weapons group. And

1216
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: I think it's a good group of running backs too,

1217
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: some of which can really catch the ball out of

1218
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: the backfield. Yeah. The two lane kids a good player

1219
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: that there's Kenny McIntosh from Georgia can really catch the

1220
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: ball out of the backfield. Jamir Gibbs is a really

1221
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: fun player to watch, has got some Alvicamara type stuff.

1222
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: So I think you're saying Okay, we want to give

1223
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: our quarterback a weapon, like you want to give him

1224
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: a you know, a solid receiver, or do we want

1225
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: to give him an exceptional tight end? I'd rather if

1226
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm playing quarterback, can rather have the exceptional tight end?

1227
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: Last thing, real quick? The bills are light on numbers

1228
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: for safety. Yeah, not a great Mika Hyde is the

1229
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: only guy under contract. You don't know about Tamar Hamlin

1230
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: Poy or what's happening. And a lot of other guys

1231
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: have expiring deals. What what is there? I guess maybe

1232
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: day two, day three of anything. I love Jayer Brown,

1233
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: the safety from Penn Stage is my top one. He's

1234
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: the only want to have on my top fifty. It's

1235
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: not a great year for for safeties. You've got a

1236
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: safety Brown from Illinois, one of the twins. That's a

1237
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: good player. Um, I think it's Sydney, but he could

1238
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: when you got twins in the same draft, what are

1239
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: they doing to me? Come on right? I just say

1240
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: Brown from Illinois. I can't be wrong, you know. Perfect?

1241
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: Thanks man, Daniel, thanks for the time. Appreciate it. Appreciate

1242
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: you guys. All right, that's Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network.

1243
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: The draft analysts. He's been crunching tape for like the

1244
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: last two months. He's got it down to the twins

1245
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: at Illinois. Um uh. But yeah, and I keep pressing

1246
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: the tight end thing because Steve with the quality of

1247
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: that class, and we heard Brandon Beans say it earlier

1248
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: in the show. It's about matchups. And if you don't

1249
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: like the value at receiver in the draft, because you

1250
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: heard Jeremiah say it, there's no alpha male receivers in

1251
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: this draft. You don't have a Garrett Wilson or somebody

1252
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: like that. Right, If the value is better at tight end,

1253
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: and you can get just as an effective and mismatch

1254
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: there draft the tight end, he'll help your offense just

1255
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: as much. Yeah, there's yeah, And I think most of

1256
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: the teams are on that, right. I saw us that today. It's,

1257
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, outside of Pat Mahomes, most of the top

1258
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because Homes, Mahomes has got Kelsey. Outside of that,

1259
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: the bottom five tight end target teams in the NFL

1260
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: are Josh Hallen, Justin, Herbert, Joe Burrow. Those guys are

1261
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: on the bottom five. Mahomes is number two in the league.

1262
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: Those other guys are all in the bottom five. Right,

1263
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: those guys are hard to find. They just don't They

1264
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: just don't fall off trees. It used to be, And

1265
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: I had this old addage. I used to say, either

1266
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: draft the top best tight end the league, or if

1267
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: you want a great tight end you gotta draft him,

1268
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: or you have to steal him because you can't. Just

1269
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: they don't seem to develop like into this game breaking

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Speaker 1: game record. You know, you can get good tight ends.

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01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: There's good tight ends everywhere, but man, you want one

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Speaker 1: of those guys. It's like a Travis Kelsey. He comes

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01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: he comes out of the rapper like that. You know. Yeah,

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01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean Dawson Knox didn't hit critical mass until his

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01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: third season, right, but he's still not the mask that

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01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: Kelsey is. And you get a guy like and then

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01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: you get guys like Dawson Knox, who is good, good

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01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: run blocker, good pass catcher, good route runner, good pass

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01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: prof you need him to be. But then you get

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01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: other guys. Most of the guys are like Gisicky, where

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01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: they're really good receiver, but they they can't block anything,

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01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: they can't do anything else. And the problem there, as

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01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean pointed out when he was talking with us earlier,

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01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: if you've got a guy at the tight end position

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01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: and all he can do is catch the ball, and

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01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: you put him out there in twelve personnel. Nobody in

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01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: the universe thinks you're running out of that, and so

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01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: they're not gonna put base personnel on the field. They're

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: gonna play in nickels because they're gonna throw to him,

1290
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: because a corner can outman him in the run game.

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01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean a corner at least at least Dawson Knox

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01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: gives you the ability to come out in twelve personnels, right,

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01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 1: and there is there is a distinct possibility it could

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01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: be a run play. Yes, that's exactly right. Dawson Knox

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01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: makes you less predictable, not more, and he gives you

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01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: an advantage against base personnel because he can beat any linebacker,

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01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: almost any linebacker in the league. Right. Yeah, in coverage,

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01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: that's right. And so that's what that's what you need

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Speaker 1: out of that that spot. You need a guy that's

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Speaker 1: a three or four down and tight end. And to

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Speaker 1: your point about Kasiki, that's why the Dolphins are throwing

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01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: him overboard. Yeah, because in that offense, the Shanahan run

1303
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: game offense, you can't have a tight end who all

1304
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: he does is catch. You just can't have it right.

1305
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: It's he's limited, it's all. It's the best way to say.

1306
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: He's not a good tight end. So he said him,

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01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: he's a he's a bad wide out right. Well, it's

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01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see. While you have a lot

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01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: of talent at the tight end position in this draft class,

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01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: what buckets do they get dropped in? Like is Dalton

1311
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: Kincaide only a pass catcher, you know from Utah? You know,

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01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: we know the Mayor kid from Notre Dame is considered

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01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: a complete tight end, but he's a little bit on

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01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: the lower end of game breaking athleticism. You know, he's

1315
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,959
Speaker 1: a he's a physical wall off, you know, route running guy.

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01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: He's not going to run away from people on a

1317
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: corner route, you know what I mean. So they're they're

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01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: gonna be put into different buckets. And you know, if

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01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: you're a ten personnel, four wide team all day long,

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01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: well yeah, maybe you put the pass catching guy. You'll

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01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: want the pass catching guy on your roster. But if

1322
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: you're a team that wants to vary the personnel groupings

1323
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: kind of like Ken Dorsey likes to do, you're probably

1324
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: looking for a guy that can do at least enough

1325
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: run blocking where he at least poses the threat when

1326
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: he steps on the field that they might run here,

1327
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: it's always been a difficult position to interpret, and for

1328
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: that reason, you know, you get different takes on the

1329
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: same guy, and you probably are gonna get a lot

1330
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: of different takes on these guys that you know that

1331
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel says, five guys maybe in the top

1332
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: fifty of the draft. We'll see maybe maybe three or

1333
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: four in the first round. Um, you're gonna get very

1334
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: varying evaluations of these guys. Um, different strokes are different. Plus,

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01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: like you said, is it a Shanahan offense? Is it?

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01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: Is it a you know, a Buffalo offense? Is a

1337
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: jet offense? Who's running the offense, Who's who's you know,

1338
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: who's calling the plays? And that has a lot to

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01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: do with what they're gonna ask that tight end to do. So, Um,

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01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot in that position. It's always been a

1341
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: little bit of an enigma for people outside the sport.

1342
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: Particularly got me. The best guys to ask are guys

1343
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: who play it or have played it and coached it,

1344
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: because the rest of us kind of guess at what

1345
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: they want that guy to do on any given down.

1346
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: And the other thing and we got to take a

1347
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: break here. But the other thing is, and you heard

1348
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah just saying in our interview with him, if

1349
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: he was a quarterback and he played quarterback in college

1350
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: at app State and he had a choice between a

1351
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 1: receiver and a game breaking tight end, He'll take the

1352
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: game breaking tight end, probably because it's more high efficiency

1353
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: passing anyway, So we can get into that when we

1354
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: have a little bit more of time a little bit

1355
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: later on in the show. We take a break here

1356
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: because when we come back, we've got Bill's head coach

1357
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott coming your way. His discussion on how the

1358
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: coaching decision with Leslie Fraser deciding to step away for

1359
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: a year came down, and the new additions to his staff,

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01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: all of that coming your way next here on One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live, presented by Colloid of Health, it's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

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01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: with you here at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Please

1364
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: to be joined by Bill's head coach Sean McDermott. Is

1365
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: he weak just getting started here, coach, how you doing

1366
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: You're doing okay, Yeah, we're doing well, doing well? How

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: are you doing well? Obviously there was some news on

1368
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: the coaching front, so maybe just lay out for us

1369
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: how you guys kind of came to the decision with

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01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: with coach Fraser. Well, it was a decision that um,

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01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 1: you know was uh you know, brought upon by Leslie

1372
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: and he wants to take a year off and so

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01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: he's done a really good job with our defense, and um,

1374
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: the seasons get long, and uh, they get long, and

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01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: as you guys know, as a player and as a coach,

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01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're not easy and for anyone staff included. So, UM,

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01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: you know, this is something that he wants to do

1378
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: and we support him through it. What does that mean?

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01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: You know, as with LEAs behind, certainly a great staff

1380
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 1: there now in place. UM, how do you share that

1381
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 1: role or fill that role going forward? I know it's early,

1382
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Yeah, it is early. UM, so

1383
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: you know we're going to continue to evaluate it. We

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01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: we've started to do you that. UM feel very confident

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01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: about the coaches we have in house. We've added to

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01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: that group this offseason with Al Holcom and Joe Danna

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01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: and feel good about those two as well. So very

1388
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: confident in the group we have in house, and and

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01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: we'll evaluate one day at a time as we move

1390
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: forward here. On the offensive side of the ball. You

1391
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: also added Adam Henry as the receiver's coach. He's got

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01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: experience both at the pro level and the college level.

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01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious what was so attractive to

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01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: you about his skill set? You know, UM, you know,

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 1: most of the most of the coaches that I've hired,

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01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: that we've hired, I've I've been around, maybe in some

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01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: capacity before. In this case, I haven't been around Adam before.

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01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: And and so I was when I was pleased to

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01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: see as as we did our research, was how he's

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: worked with, you know, the top shelf receivers, but he's

1401
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 1: also worked and developed some of the lesser known names,

1402
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: if you will, who have gone on to do good things.

1403
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: And so I think developing players is huge, and we've

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01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: talked about that quite a bit, and he has a

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01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: record of doing that. UM and UH, and he comes

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01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: well recommended from UM, both both pro coaches as well

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01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: as as well as college coaches. Yeah, and that's always

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01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: been kind of the hallmark of your staff. You've gotten

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01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: guys in here that UM in every rookie, every young

1410
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: player needs to some development in some way, shape or form.

1411
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: And certainly UM your young guys even this last year

1412
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: with Christian Benford, Kayer Elam at the top of the list,

1413
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: along with Cook and Uh and those guys they work

1414
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: when they come in shakire. Uh. It's been the hallmark

1415
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: of your staff to start those guys slow and bring

1416
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: them along and then by the time they get to

1417
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: the field they're really ready. In fact that you know

1418
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: you had the luxury with because of your veterans to

1419
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: take it slower this year with your young players. Does

1420
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: that Does that change? Is that is that does your

1421
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: philosophy their change or how does that? You know? Give

1422
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: us another insight as to what your mindset about those

1423
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: young pers in their development. Well, it's it's got to

1424
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: be earned, I think, regardless of where you are as

1425
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: a team, it has to be earned. UM. We we

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01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 1: had a veteran team last season, UH to to some

1427
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: extent at most positions, maybe not all UM. And it's

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01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: and it's UM, you're never going to have that at

1429
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: every position, but UM players have to earn everything they get.

1430
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: And and and that being said, uh, there needs to

1431
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: be a not only a development of young talent, but

1432
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: also these young players more and more playing early in

1433
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: us getting a feel for what they can do. And um,

1434
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: I mean you see that we've done that before, but

1435
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: then you also see it throughout the throughout the league,

1436
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, in particular with sometimes what situation a club

1437
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: may be in with salary cap or what have you

1438
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: so or injuries, so, um, you know, I feel I

1439
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: feel like coming out of the season, one of the positives, um,

1440
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 1: was that some are young players got quality time and

1441
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 1: they showed us what they could do. And now you

1442
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: can kind of lean on that they can lean on

1443
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: that the confidence that should come from that as they

1444
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: got into their offseason. Here coach, the defense ranked seventh

1445
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: and third down defense top ten ranking good, showing there

1446
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: were a couple of downs and distances though that Steve

1447
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: and I were dicing up one day, third and four,

1448
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: third and five for example, those two down and distances

1449
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: combined against the past the conversion rate, at least from

1450
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: the league stats buy your opponents was right around fifty

1451
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: nine percent. I know that's not a number that's up

1452
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: to your standards. So I'm just kind of curious, and

1453
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: you don't have to get into the nuts and bolts

1454
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: of the process, but how you kind of dive into

1455
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: that with your coaching staff and say, how do we

1456
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 1: make this figure far lower next season? Is it scheme

1457
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: oriented or is it more personnality. I'm just kind of

1458
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: curious how that gets all diced up to make it

1459
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: better next year. Well, when you try it, when you evaluate,

1460
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: usually there's two branches of it or two legs. You say, hey,

1461
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: how much of it is scheme? How much of it

1462
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: is player? Um? And and you and you try and

1463
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: look at it objectively and say what can we do better? Um? Schematically?

1464
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: And then do we have the right players? And I

1465
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: would say that, um, you know, it's never just one

1466
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: or the other. It's it's usually a combination. And so

1467
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: feel good about our players. Um, do we need to

1468
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: to improve in some of those areas, Yes, no doubt

1469
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: about it. UM. And I know Brandon and his staff

1470
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: work hard at that as well. And Uh, Schematically, a

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01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: year ago, I believe we were the top defense on

1472
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: third down. UM. So, but you dive back in every

1473
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: offseason and you start from from the ground and work

1474
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: your way up and um, I mean third down. Anytime

1475
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: you can get a team into third down, that's a

1476
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: good thing. Um. Now you love it to be third

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Speaker 1: and seven plus. Um, but even there, we weren't great

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01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: this year. Um, third and eleven plus. So just uh,

1479
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 1: you got to start over and and and find out

1480
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: um the what, the why and the how and and

1481
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: um and come back to share with a with a

1482
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 1: better approach. So you get in there in your roster.

1483
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: You got all these guys that are free agents. You

1484
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: had twenty two unrestricted free agents, a couple restricted free agents.

1485
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of turnover. And we look went

1486
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 1: back and looked at it's not all that different from

1487
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: where you were a year ago. You still had you know,

1488
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,879
Speaker 1: they had those guys. You had about that many guys

1489
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: that you may be anticipated going to be that much

1490
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: of a turnover this coming this last year, you end

1491
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: up going thirteen and three. You have a really nice

1492
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: regular season, all of that stuff going on. So here

1493
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: we are again and you're at the draft, and you know,

1494
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: so how do you get your mind around? I mean,

1495
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: and this is what you I guess a head coach

1496
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: is all about. You gotta build a team from scratch

1497
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: every just like you said, you gotta go back and

1498
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: dive in. Is that like the good part about it?

1499
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: Or is that the tedious part about it? Because you know,

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01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: you just get this this team humming along, um, and

1501
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: you know now you gotta know you carry a piano

1502
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: up the flight of stairs again. Yeah. Yeah, I mean

1503
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: you gotta tear it down to the studs again right now.

1504
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: I think I think that's the nuts and rup Steve.

1505
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: But I think that's the exciting hard about it is. Uh,

1506
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, the game changes a little bit every year,

1507
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: and you have to change with it. You've got to

1508
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: evolve and be cutting edge and do the research necessary

1509
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 1: to be cutting edge offensively, defensively and special teams. And

1510
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: and that's to me that the cool part about our

1511
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: our our profession is if you don't continue to evolve, um,

1512
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to sustain the success

1513
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: that we've been uh successful doing and um. But and

1514
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: then it's and then the PERSONNELI side is we're out

1515
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: here in Indy with it, with the draft prospects and

1516
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: the free agency that's coming that's around the corner for us.

1517
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: I think that's just Yeah, you build your team every year. Um,

1518
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: the culture and some of your core values may not

1519
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,759
Speaker 1: change necessarily, but the people certainly change to some extent.

1520
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: And then how you do things. You're always looking for

1521
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 1: different ways to do things and and grow and evolve

1522
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: and listen, we came up short, even though we were

1523
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: thirteen and three and had had a great season. We

1524
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: came up short and terms of accomplishing our ultimate goal.

1525
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: But we try and be forward, forward looking and thinking,

1526
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: and I think that's key in this situation. Third year,

1527
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: Just getting back a little bit to player development. You've

1528
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: got third year players over the course of your tenure

1529
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: here in Buffalo that have really kind of taken off

1530
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: in year three. Dawson Knox as an example. Tarren Johnson

1531
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: in his third year really kind of took off on

1532
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: a high, ascending trajectory. You've got Spencer Brown and Greg

1533
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: Rousseau probably two of your more prominent third year players

1534
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: coming into this year. What is it about the third

1535
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: season where players just kind of take off the runway

1536
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: and they're going, I don't know what I mean. Maybe

1537
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: you can shed some light on why it seems to

1538
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: be year three that seems to be so profitable for

1539
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: players here. Yeah, I think Chris, it really comes back

1540
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,759
Speaker 1: to time. It used to be under the old rules

1541
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 1: that we had more time with the players, both for

1542
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: sure in the offseason, and now that time has been

1543
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: greatly reduced, so time on task, like anything, comes into play.

1544
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: It used to be year two was the litmus test

1545
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: of can the player do X, Y and Z, And

1546
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: now it's hey, we need to give them until you're

1547
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: three to really see who they are as a player.

1548
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: And so I think that I think that works and

1549
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 1: that's why we're seeing that trend developed. Okay, so you

1550
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: come into this week and you know you don't really

1551
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: know where your roster's going to be in a month

1552
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: and a half when this draft happens, or two months

1553
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: when this draft happens, because there's free agencies gonna happen,

1554
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: you got some restructures, you gotta get your financials, and

1555
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 1: all this stuff's got to happen before you really draft

1556
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: these guys. So really, you want to get to the

1557
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: spot where the best guy is the guy you get. Right,

1558
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: Hopefully the best guy on the board is going to

1559
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 1: be the best pro is the one you want to

1560
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: be able to take. So if that's the case, what

1561
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: is your mindset going in because you're I mean you

1562
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: may be talking to you know, defensive end or offensive guard,

1563
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, running back. You know you might you never

1564
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: know where that guy might turn up. So what is

1565
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: your philosophy about finding when you sit down with these

1566
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: guys in these interviews which are so important, which you

1567
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,839
Speaker 1: know and again going back to the question about building

1568
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: a team every year, I think you know what you're

1569
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: looking for and it may stay the same and some

1570
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: of it changes this a little bit based on who

1571
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: you have around that that vacant spot, so to speak,

1572
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 1: or that need, and so you know you're you're looking

1573
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: out there for I don't want to show our hand

1574
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: in terms of what we value, but you're looking for

1575
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: football players. At the end of the day. This is

1576
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: the game of football. It's not track. And so we're

1577
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: looking for the best football players that we can find

1578
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: at every position, and players that you know typically or

1579
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: are possessed really good instincts. Because there's a lot out

1580
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: there that you try and coach, but there's also a

1581
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: lot that they're going to have to fill the gaps

1582
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: on some things from time to time, on some unseen

1583
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: or unscouted looks and so football instincts are a big

1584
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: part of it. Your offense was highly efficient at the

1585
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: start of the year. Then there were some giant plays

1586
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 1: happening in the passing game in Week five against the Steelers,

1587
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: balls flying all over the place. And then it seemed

1588
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: like in the second half of the season, being that

1589
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: efficient on offense seemed to be a heavier lift. And

1590
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: then we saw and I know you guys like to

1591
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: stay on top of trends or ahead of them if possible,

1592
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: we saw a lot of the AFC teams choose efficiency

1593
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: to stay on the field, finish drives, go shorter passing. Um,

1594
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you what you think is

1595
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: the best course action for you, guys, But how do

1596
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: you come around to making a decision like we should

1597
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: do that too, or no, we're gonna pivot and we're

1598
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: gonna do this instead. Well, it's again, it's the research,

1599
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: it's where the game is and how it's evolving. And

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01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, listen, we did a lot of good things

1601
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: on offense last year. That said, there's certainly is room

1602
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: for us to adjust and make improvements, and we have

1603
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: to be open to doing that and and and then

1604
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: do our work around that we have. The one thing

1605
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: we know is we have a franchise quarterback, and there's

1606
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: not every team can say that and answer that question

1607
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 1: affirmatively with the yes, and we do. And when you

1608
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: can lead the league in third downs in two minute

1609
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: and how he how Josh led the league in terms

1610
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: of extending plays and the efficiency around that when he

1611
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: when he extended the plays, those are really good areas.

1612
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that cannot answer yes to

1613
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: those to those areas, but there are other areas that

1614
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: we need to round out, if you will, for us

1615
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: to become the football team that we're trying to become.

1616
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: And I'm confident in Coach Dorsey and our offensive staff,

1617
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: extremely confident in them in fact, that we will do

1618
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: that this year. Coach, thanks, I appreciate have a great

1619
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: week and appreciate you coming by. Great to see you guys.

1620
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Good luck at your work done

1621
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 1: this week. That'll do it. With head coach Sean McDermott

1622
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: here on One Bills Live, will take a break and

1623
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 1: be back with more. Stay tuned, all right, Welcome back

1624
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 1: to one Bills Live. Chris Brown Steve Task are live

1625
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: at the NFL Combine here in Indianapolis, Day one, just

1626
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: about in the books here, I think we learned to

1627
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 1: few things today. I think we learned that Brandon Bean,

1628
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: even though Bill's fans might be completely consumed with the

1629
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: team getting a receiver in the draft, let alone in

1630
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: free agency, that what Brandon Bean is looking for is

1631
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: an offensive playmaker who can create a mismatch. He referenced

1632
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 1: James Cook as an example last year in the draft.

1633
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: I think with the tight end class and this year's draft,

1634
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: it could very easily be a tight end and not

1635
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: a receiver. Yeah, and I'll say this too. You think

1636
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: about how Brandon Bean gets this. You know in all

1637
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: these teams that the GM is the guy that picks

1638
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: the fifty three, He brings the signs the eighty guys,

1639
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: and then we come down. He says, all right, this

1640
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: guy's in, this guy's out, And certainly the guys that

1641
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 1: are sitting at the table with him, or Sean McDermott,

1642
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey, Leslie Frasier in this case, whoever's going to be.

1643
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: But it's the coaching staff that says we need this

1644
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: kind of place, and Ken Dorsey sitting there going on,

1645
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't give me some buddy who can win. And

1646
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean echoes that. He said, all right, doesn't matter

1647
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: if you need to have to be a wide receiver,

1648
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a tight end or he's yes, fine, give

1649
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: me the you know and the and Ken Dorsey signs

1650
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: off and says, yeah, let me look at the guy.

1651
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the guy. And so those guys come

1652
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: on the list and Brandon Breen says, hey, this guy

1653
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: may be available or this tight end or this wide out.

1654
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: What do you think? He says, well, and that's all

1655
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 1: the meetings leading up to it said, if it comes

1656
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: down to that, I'd rather have the tight end. Those

1657
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of conversations happen constantly. So Brandon Bean knows the guys,

1658
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey, Leslie Fraser, Sean McDermott know the needs and

1659
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: Brandon fills those needs with the guys. The other thing

1660
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 1: we learned today is that the draft is very deep

1661
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 1: at edge rusher, it's very deep at cornerback. It's supremely

1662
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:58,480
Speaker 1: talented at tight end. Beyond that, though the other positions

1663
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 1: aren't quite as deep. And I think the other good

1664
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: news we got today, Steve was where the Bills are

1665
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: picking at twenty seven According to Daniel Jeremiah, the value

1666
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: figures to be very good at two need positions, receiver

1667
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: and interior offensive life. That's good news. Yeah, it really is.

1668
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna they're gonna get a guy who under normal

1669
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: circumstances and the way this thing is turned out over

1670
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: the years, they get a guy they expect to be

1671
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: plugged in and taking snaps day one on week one

1672
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: of his rookie season, a plug and play type of

1673
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: quality player. That's that's what you're looking at. Now. You know,

1674
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: they have to earn it. And we heard Sean reiterate

1675
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 1: that today the Bills are more hesitant to throw those

1676
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: guys in there until they've done something to warrant it.

1677
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 1: But picking a guy at the spot they're picking, yeah,

1678
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,879
Speaker 1: they can have every expectation he's going to be protective.

1679
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: And I'll say it again, with where they are in

1680
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: their build and where their cap situation currently sits cheap

1681
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 1: labors important. They need cheap labor on the roster, and

1682
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 1: starting this year, they may need that cheap labor that's

1683
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: also inexperienced on the field. Yeah, we saw it in

1684
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: Kansas City. The thing their cap situation got compromised because

1685
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: the big money started hitting their cap on Mahomes contract.

1686
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 1: They said, the first one of the great players in

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Speaker 1: the league, right because he wanted thirty million dollars a

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Speaker 1: year receiver and they said, no, we can't hack that

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Speaker 1: because Mahomes quarterback contract is really starting to hit the

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Speaker 1: big money years now. So Tyreek, thanks for coming. Let's

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Speaker 1: sign Smith Schuster on a one year deal, and let's

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Speaker 1: sign this guy. And that's why their rookies were forced

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Speaker 1: into action this year as opposed to years past. Skymore

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Speaker 1: on the field a receiver, Josh Williams, Jalen Watson, and

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Speaker 1: Trent Trent McDuffie all on the field in the secondary

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Speaker 1: and Isaiah Pacheco. And I'll say this too. One other

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Speaker 1: thing we learned in talking to Sean that they are

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Speaker 1: at all The thing is the warts that we saw

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Speaker 1: on their office from week to week basis, there wasn't

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Speaker 1: really thing outstanding. There was some of that deep down

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Speaker 1: stuff like on third and four they weren't too good

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Speaker 1: against the pat that kind of stuff. But Sean McDermott,

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Speaker 1: through his answers to our questions, man, you get the

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Speaker 1: idea that they are on it. They are tearing it apart.

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Speaker 1: Play by play, situation by situation and getting better everywhere

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Speaker 1: and white and kind of cleaning off the warts of it,

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Speaker 1: trying to be a whole, well rounded offense with the

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Speaker 1: ability to beat teams in a variety of different ways.

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Speaker 1: They have seen their own warts and they're taking action

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Speaker 1: to get rid of them, and they've got a plan

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Speaker 1: to do that. That's that's kind of reassuring as well.

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Speaker 1: We had a big show today. We've got another one

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Speaker 1: on tap tomorrow coming your way. Chargers general manager Tom

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Speaker 1: talsco Hamburg, Hamburg, New York native, So we'll catch up

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Speaker 1: with him as his team made the playoffs last year,

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Speaker 1: but they have some new coaches on their staff. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into that with him tomorrow. And we also have

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Speaker 1: from the NFL Network. And there's another guy that's been

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Speaker 1: crunching tape one Charles Davis, to help us. So so

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Speaker 1: we yeah, that's we're gonna Like I said, we're drinking

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Speaker 1: out of a fire hose here. Everybody in the NFL

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Speaker 1: is here. It's a lot of fun. And plus there's

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Speaker 1: no there's no scoreboard this week, so none of these

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Speaker 1: guys are dodging questions or you know, got their guard

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Speaker 1: up and no thank you ing. So it's nice to

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Speaker 1: get a chance to talk to guys. A bunch of

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Speaker 1: head coaches walking around here in radio road today, most

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Speaker 1: of them like Sean coming to their own hometown stations

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Speaker 1: to touch base with their hometown fans, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. We've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff going on this week, and we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: here with you one to three every day to cover it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I look at what we could see from

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Speaker 1: the Chargers this coming season because they're an opponent for

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Speaker 1: the Bills this year on the road out in La right,

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Speaker 1: and you know where that falls in the schedule. We'll

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Speaker 1: find out in late April, early May. But they've got,

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Speaker 1: you know, a really good roster. But what's gonna happened

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Speaker 1: with Keenan Allen? Is he going to be a calp casualty?

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Speaker 1: What's gonna happen with Khalil Mack? Are they going to

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Speaker 1: draft a new edge rusher and maybe throw him overboard?

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Speaker 1: Do they have some decisions tough decisions that they have

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Speaker 1: to make, So there's a lot there for him. I

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Speaker 1: think it's interesting just across the entire league, how many

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Speaker 1: of these teams have to get cap compliant because you

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Speaker 1: kind of get you and I here always say we

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Speaker 1: were Bills focused, but they're every team in the league.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have issues like the Bills do, either over

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Speaker 1: the cap or they've got significant players they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to do something with or just outright release just before

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Speaker 1: free agency and at the league calendar. They're gonna gonna

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Speaker 1: be a part problems. We'll see you tomorrow here at

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Speaker 1: one