1 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Y'all. This is not going to be a crime round 2 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: up you're expecting, But I think it's the crime roundup 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: you need. I'm Cheryl McCollum and I am joined as 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: always with Joshua Schiffer. 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: Hey, Joshua, Hey, honey, it is It's been quite the 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: unexpected day. 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: It's an unexpected day, and I want to tell everybody 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: this is Wednesday. We're recording early because I'm going to 9 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: be traveling and josh is going to be in court, 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: so we're out of pocket Friday. 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 3: But today we had an assassination. 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you real quick, this is 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: not going to be a political show. 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: This is not going to be a show where you 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: were going to. 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Feel like you've got to choose one side of the 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: the Josh and I are on the same side. 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: There's lots of places if you want a doom scroll 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 2: and doom listen. The world is filled with that. That's 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: actually part of the discussion of this is how in 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: this era of instant mass communication, intimate immediate mass communication, 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: where breaking news happens live to everyone at the same time, 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: how that affects us as individuals and the community. Because 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: this assassination today, and I will call it an assassination 25 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: until I'm told otherwise. I think it was clearly a 26 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: political murder, even though we don't know the anything really 27 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: about the alleged shooter, at least not right now, and 28 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: that may change by the time you listen to this. 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: But how are communities already reacting. You can find all 30 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: the doom and gloom and awful you want, but I 31 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: don't think that honors kind of the person that Charlie 32 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: Kirk was. And that's one of the unifying parts about 33 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: a tragedy of this is notice how the by part 34 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: is an appreciation for Charlie Kirk as someone who loved 35 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: discourse and the discussion is leading how his memory is 36 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: going to be honored because he really did come in 37 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: as an outsider, and he did approach and he was 38 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: interested in engagement at a really high level at showing 39 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: why humanity is humanity. 40 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm a big person on common ground. 41 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: I don't think there is anybody that I could sit 42 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: down with for an hour and not find something common. 43 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: I just don't believe that. 44 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter what all your own political party, 45 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: what religion, what sexual orientation, It doesn't matter, there's something 46 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: we can find. 47 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: And you really did see that with a lot of 48 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: his his rhetoric style. And I don't mean rhetoric as 49 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: a bad way, it's it's the manner in which he 50 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: chose to speak and argue because there was a lot 51 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: of that common ground and commonality. Because it is easier 52 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: to connect once you've got some bridges, the two sides 53 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: in any dispute being miles apart with nothing in connect. 54 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: That's why you see real growth through the struggle process, 55 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: whether it be litigation, criminal or civil, or when you 56 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: get into things like mediation and I'll turn a dispute 57 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: resolution where the process of bringing together disparate groups, if 58 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: you can build that bridge, and that's how you start 59 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: flooding the other side with with some of your perspective. 60 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: And if you can you can give them that perspective, 61 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: that's how you change. You ain't never going to argue 62 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: somebody into change in their mind. 63 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: Never, that's never gonna work. 64 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Nobody has ever said, you know what, they started yelling 65 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: at screaming at me, and I thought, you know what, 66 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: they're making sense. 67 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: One of the co founders of the trial Ers College, 68 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: John Bob Rose, who was a Wyoming Supreme Court justice 69 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: who passed along before I ever was associated with college. 70 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: One of his sayings was, if you're arguing, you're losing, 71 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: And it's very similar to the if you're explaining your losing, 72 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: because you're never going to actually change a perspective. You're 73 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: never actually going to affect someone in a way they 74 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: go back and contemplate a new perspective. If they feel 75 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: lectured or if they feel instructed, that's against really the 76 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: common nature. It's one of the big issues with how 77 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: education works because you know, we spend a lot of 78 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: time lecturing kids and we've changed that now we engage 79 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: kids is experience in moving and showing. 80 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: That's how you change people. 81 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: We got some amendments, but the first one. The first 82 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: one is pretty simple. Any religion, you can speak how 83 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: you want, you can start a newspaper, you can gather 84 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: with like minded people. You can even make a petition 85 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: to say, hey, government, I want you to do something different. 86 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: And so to a whole bunch of people near me 87 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: that agree. We made it the first one for a reason, 88 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: and to me, I mean, you and I talked off air, 89 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: but it's kind of our thing. 90 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: It's a fundamental, core, central value to what it means 91 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: to be American. I was being interviewed by the British 92 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: press this afternoon involving Epstein, and then we got into 93 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: a bunch of other interesting topics, including speech and that 94 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 2: Banksy art that came out. And remember, the United States 95 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: is very unique in its unfettered freedoms where there's not 96 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: an automatically built in restriction. Now are there restrictions. Yes, 97 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: we have developed through our court system, legitimate, meaningful restrictions 98 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: on things like the freedom of speech. Because there are 99 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: certain forms of speech that are per se illegal, harmful, wrongful, 100 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: and those can be regulated. Things like commercial speech can 101 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: be regulated. But your individual speech that that's really hard 102 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: for anybody to restrict. And that's part of what makes 103 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: this American. Other countries view that as odd. Other countries 104 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: do not see that as a core fundamental value. And 105 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: that reflects on the freedom that is so central to 106 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 2: the American way of life, in the American Promise. It's 107 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: how we were able to conquer and control a giant, 108 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: wild continent and the representative democracy that we have, even 109 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: when it's messy, I still think it's the best damn 110 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: system anybody else's ever invented. I dare you to govern 111 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: a bunch of Americans any better? 112 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 4: But you're right. The first Amendment. 113 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: It's gonna come in on this, and any political violence 114 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,559 Speaker 2: is abhorrent because of its natural effect in chilling free 115 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: speech and chilling political discourse. And so it's not a 116 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: censorship of you are prohibited from saying. It is the 117 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: overarching existential fear that exists in all Americans now and 118 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: has been inflicted on all of us, knowing that it's 119 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: that much more easy and common for our thought leaders 120 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: and our influential people to be injured, that injury is 121 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: transferred to us in many ways. So this was an 122 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: assassination on kind of all, all of our ability and 123 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: willingness to speak, because this wasn't even somebody that was 124 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: known for particularly aggressively flambuoyant speech. Certainly, there was divisive 125 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: and confrontational and tough stuff, high emotion stuff, important stuff 126 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: that he, more than so many others, attempted to keep 127 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: as rational and reasonable and common sense as possible. And 128 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: he approached from an outside perspective as someone who started 129 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: an organization as a eighteen year old, and it reflected 130 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: a very young generation in a way where he actively 131 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: courted all sides of the spectrum to come to his 132 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: pathway of belief, which different than mine. I'll just tell 133 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: you his lifestyle and my lifestyle have some pretty substantial differences. 134 00:08:54,760 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: But his conviction was beyond reproach. His reputation in a 135 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: slimy world was pretty impeccable. And this was a loss 136 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,359 Speaker 2: for everybody. 137 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: It is a loss, and I'll tell you again going 138 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: back to common ground. He's a father, he's an American, 139 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: he loved this country, There's no doubt about it. 140 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: And to me, when you realize that there. 141 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: Has been an assassination based on someone's speech, based on 142 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: their belief, based on them being in public gathering, wanting 143 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: somebody to debate them, wanting to make sure, hey you're 144 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: saying this, but let me give you this and maybe 145 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: we can come together, maybe you can come to my side. 146 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: A very open and welcoming I'm going to approach you 147 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: on the street and the level you know, going back 148 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,359 Speaker 2: to a bunch of classical values of debate and discourse, 149 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: which I feel is very approachable no matter where you 150 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 2: are on the spectrum, no matter what your background is. 151 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: It was a format that was very accessible and that's 152 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: I believe why the cynical youth were so attracted to it. 153 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: And let's be frank, he had a lot of appeal 154 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: to younger people who felt that they were being ignored 155 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: because of the school they went. Many people credit him 156 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: with a downright revolution of centrist and right leaning groups 157 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: in campuses coast to coast. And you know, you may 158 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: love it or hate it, but it's good to see 159 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: young people get involved with politics. I don't care what 160 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: the position is. Get up there and shake your fist 161 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: and get pissed off and get it out of your 162 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: system because that's going to help you for the rest 163 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: of your life being politically engaged. It's going to give 164 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: you a more meaningful life to understand. 165 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: That's the place to do it. Yeah right, I mean, come. 166 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: On, I'm going to tell you I still agree with 167 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: all the dumb things I thought when I was twenty. 168 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: Find me someone at who's like, man, twenty year old 169 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: me totally had it together, one hundred percent, right on target, 170 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 2: no mistakes. It was just it was perfect at twenty now, 171 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: perfect place. Man, it killed me right now, You've got 172 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: to be But that's exactly what where that energy needs 173 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: to go is and have that passion manifest. 174 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: But if I had the two of you in a room, 175 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: you see the common ground in the two of you, 176 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: your fathers, you're both debate people. 177 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure we would have plenty of things to 178 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: agree on, even though there would be I think really 179 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: significant disagreements with what's necessarily important and when it comes 180 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: to policy and how we should be leading certain things. 181 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: But that's what makes our country so great is that 182 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: it really is based on this fantasy that was crafted 183 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 2: by a bunch of old white property owning men that 184 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: probably weren't going to let you, yes, you listener in 185 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: the room because at least half of you or female, 186 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: and probably a lot of you don't own property, or 187 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: a minority or anybody that's not a rich white male. 188 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: They were based all this on this very aspirational traditional 189 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 2: values that comes out of the Western Romantic tradition Greeks, Romans. 190 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,239 Speaker 2: If you read about masonry, which is a very important 191 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: social issue at the time of our founding, that's really 192 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 2: how our nation was founded on these dreams and ideas. 193 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: But the men were very flawed and recognized flawed men 194 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: and women would come in the future and it's a 195 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: miracle that we have lasted and done so well for 196 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: so long. But we've still got some work to do 197 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: with this recent political violence. And it's not just limited 198 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: to this horrible assassination. We have had an attempted assassination 199 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: against President Trump. We've probably had many that we don't 200 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: even know about because they don't really talk about that stuff. 201 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: We have had a tax on you know, Greg Governor Whittmer. 202 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: We have had just kidnappings. We have had all kinds 203 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: of threats against judges, which is a particularly challenging issue 204 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: because who else are we trying to ask to be 205 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: fair to people that are hard to be fair to. 206 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: We've got to make sure judges are secure if we're 207 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: going to actually have independent judiciaries. But this uptick in 208 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: political violence really is an inflection moment, and we've got 209 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: to decide where we're going to go. 210 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 4: And I hope that this. 211 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: Is in some way going to spur a national discussion 212 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: that we've begged for across the spectrum that impacts the 213 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: true crime universe, because so much of what we deal 214 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: with at some point involves the ease of access of 215 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: firearms or deals with the ease of let me not 216 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: say excitability, the facility or the hmm, let's get a 217 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: good five dollars work. How easy it is to piss 218 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: people off? 219 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 3: There it is we've lost sure. 220 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: I love the fact I can Facebook and Twitter with 221 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: all my friends all over the world. I went to 222 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: a little teeny hippie college in New England and I 223 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: got friends that live all over Africa and Southeast Asia. 224 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: And the Internet makes that amazing. Nothing my parents could 225 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: have done like that. The same time, all this digital 226 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: is so impersonal, and I worry about the value of 227 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: human life with all of this digital connection and inability 228 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: to regulate reality. 229 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned a conversation that needs to happen. 230 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you know this, but my 231 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: mother was a genius. And I'm not just saying that. 232 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: She graduated from college at seventeen with a degree in 233 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: economy from Mercy University. And the only reason she was 234 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: seventeen is because my grandfather made her weight until she 235 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: was older. Okay, so when I say she's a genius, seriously, 236 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: But one thing she would always talk about the Constitution 237 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: that she thought was the most brilliant part of the 238 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: whole thing was the preamble, so like, even before you 239 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: get to the meat of it, they're going to go 240 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: ahead and set the stage for you. 241 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 3: And she thought that was such a brilliant move. 242 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: And one of her favorite things in that whole preamble 243 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: was to ensure domestic tranquility because to her, she felt 244 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: like putting that burden on the government to keep the 245 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: peace within this country is paramount. And when you have 246 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: leaders that are in any way dividing people, that has 247 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: got to stop. We can't have a conversation if you're 248 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: just making fun or calling names or being argumentative. To 249 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: be argumentative, that is never going to solve what we 250 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: are clearly facing. 251 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: We've got to build that common ground because it is 252 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: and we we as citizens need to hold our government 253 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: responsible not just. 254 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 4: To protect our borders, which is really important. 255 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: But but to really ensure that tranquility and work for 256 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: the peace and dignity of the people of your community. 257 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: That that's if you ever read an indictment, people always says, 258 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: who's the victim. Who's the victim? Is it that person 259 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: that got shot? Well, you know they're a victim, But really, 260 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: if you read an indictment, the victim is the peace 261 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: and dignity of that governmental subdivision. 262 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: That's right. 263 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: It's the state versus so and so, not the victim 264 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: versus them. 265 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: You're right, and the crime, the crime is a violation 266 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 2: of the peace and dignity in my case, in the 267 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 2: State of Georgia, of the State of Georgia, because the 268 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: State of Georgia has peace and dignity, and it's a 269 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: governmental interest to preserve it, to protect it, to promote it. 270 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: And I hope that we start focusing more on promoting 271 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: the peace, dignity, the tranquility of our federal constitution, because 272 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: we deserve as one of the most rich and successful 273 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: and advanced nations ever. If you know, people love to 274 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 2: concentrate on all the bad stuff that we do, and 275 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: we suck at this, and now look at the good 276 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: stuff that we do. Let's lean into that and make 277 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 2: those things even better and lead the world. We cannot 278 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: lead in all things, but the things we can't, let's 279 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: let's go out there and kick serious. 280 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you something, Tomorrow's nine to eleven. 281 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: You don't have to look at another event in where 282 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: people came together quicker, faster, better, more productive. You're talking 283 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: about a handful of people that murdered three thousand. But 284 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: do you know in New York City alone, a million 285 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: people stood in line to give blood. A million And 286 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: that's just one example in that city. How many people 287 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: went there, how many people offered to help, I know, 288 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: home depot, they turned every truck they had around and said, 289 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: send everything to New York. Hammers, gloves, chainsaws, everybody did that. Everybody. 290 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: They brought dogs, they brought food. And it wasn't just America. 291 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: Look what happened in Gander. Look what happened all over 292 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: the world. The queen is playing God bless America. 293 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 4: It was something that. 294 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: You cannot explain it unless you literally and everybody can 295 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: tell you the almost minute by minute story. 296 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 4: Of that day. You know I it is. It is 297 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 4: one of those where it's it's etched in there. 298 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: Uh. 299 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: There is absolutely no way I can walk you through 300 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: watching the news shaving class. 301 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 4: What I was doing, who I was going. 302 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: And it's one of those things that illustrates the binds 303 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: that tie us together and and and those those commonalities that. 304 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 4: I worry we lose. 305 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: And and that's a change in the American fabric where 306 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: we've lost some of that homogeneity that was a strength, 307 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: and we've replaced it with some diversity and some difference, 308 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: which is also a strength. But it's a very different strength, 309 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: and it's a different cloth than what we are used to, 310 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: and that adjustment is is bumpy. 311 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 4: Uh it is. 312 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: It is not the same cloth, and it's still wonderful, 313 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: but the difference is tough. And Cheryl, I know where 314 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 2: I'm looking at the lights. I know we're running out 315 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: of time. 316 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 4: I got to. 317 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 2: Ask it because I didn't make it this year. 318 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 4: I have swore, I. 319 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: Have sworn on all of my appropriate pinkies and toes 320 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: and et ceteras that next year I will be there. 321 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: Tell us about crime Con twenty twenty five. 322 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something, Baby, Nancy, Grace, John and 323 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: Callahan Walsh, Nicole and Jim and Tara and Joe Batito, 324 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: Gabby Potito's four parents, Colby Ryme, Lori Vaalo's son, Josh, Michaelwitz, 325 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: Angeline Hartman, Nicole and Jimmy and Maria Kine, Paul Hols 326 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: ed newcomer Marcia Clark. I've never met her before, finally 327 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: got to meet her. 328 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 4: Unbelievable. 329 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: How hard Nancy and the team at crime Con works. 330 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: The choreography is off the chain. When you're thinking about 331 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: this many people, with this many things going on. 332 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 3: It is a whirlwind. 333 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: I tell people it's like a wedding. You plan for 334 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: a year and it is over before you know it, 335 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: and you remember not all of it, you know. But 336 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: there are moments that are so iconic, Like there was 337 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: one part I'm standing there, iced tea is in the room. 338 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: So cool, Marcia Clark, everybody. 339 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 4: Iced Tea would have been my number one. 340 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, he was awesome. 341 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: He was funny. Oh yeah, you would not have been disappointed. 342 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: That would have been the total starstruck boy, like just complete, 343 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: that's my guy. 344 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And there was so many moments you sit 345 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: there and you're like, did I just have drinks with 346 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: iced tea? 347 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 3: And Josh Minkow It's like what world am I in? Right? 348 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: And my sister Charlene and I were laughing because you 349 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: remember the Astronauts when they talked about coming home from 350 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: the moon. It's like, Okay, I mean it's gonna top that. 351 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I walked to the moon yesterday. And now 352 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm at Public's I mean so here, I'm at crime 353 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: cont and people are like, oh, can I take a 354 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: picture with you? 355 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: And I'm like, of. 356 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: Course, oh, can you, you know, sign this for me? 357 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: And you're just, you know, so great. And we love 358 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: Zone seven and we love Josh. 359 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: It's weird. 360 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: I just love our little world. 361 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: Though, and they love you. And let me tell what happened. 362 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: I got to tell this to people because Josh ain't 363 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: gonna tell it. 364 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell it. We're talking. 365 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm there, and he's like, man, I've got this trial 366 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: and I've got a client this in jail. I've got 367 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: to go see them. I can't ditch them. I just 368 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: can't make it to crime cont He texted me and 369 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: he said, Hey, I'm overnighting you something at the hotel. 370 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: And I thought, that's super cool. I've never had that 371 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: happen in my whole life. And I thought, I'm gonna 372 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: look so freaking important when I get a package that's 373 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: been over to me Amazon. 374 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 3: It's unreal. 375 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: So this fabulous hotel has a fed X in the basement. 376 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: So Walt said, you go on because I had a 377 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: session at nine o'clock. It opened right at nine, but 378 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: you have to be in the green room at eight thirty. 379 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 1: So there I am, and I'm with all the folks 380 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: from Cold Justice and just I mean, it's ridiculous. 381 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: It's all these people that we listen. This is this 382 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: is not a podcast, like this is what I do. 383 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: This is Yeah. 384 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: So you in you're like, you know, hey, Kelly Zigler, good, 385 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: if you need something, call me. So anyway, just having 386 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: a great time, I mean, completely starstruck the whole time. 387 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: Well then I get this box and in the box 388 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: is about six boxes, and I'm like, what has Josh done? Y'all? 389 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: I opened that first box because I had no idea 390 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: what it was. They are replicas of his glasses, the 391 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: round glasses. There red, they're purple, they're pink, they're black. 392 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: I just shut the box real quick because I was like, 393 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I know exactly what I'm gonna do. 394 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: So Barbara Butcher and I had the very last session 395 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: of Crime Con. So these are the hardcore folks. They 396 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: didn't get a plane early. They're not leaving early. That room, Josh, 397 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: there had to be five hundred people in that room. 398 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: Barbara and I at the end we said, everybody, come forward. 399 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: Josh has sent y'all a gift. 400 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: Honey. 401 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: They stolen the stage. We had the six boxes lined out. 402 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: We had volunteers that came up to open to pass 403 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: them all out. 404 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 3: And then you've seen the video that I saw. 405 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, yeah, you guys have got 406 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: to see it. And meanwhile, there's a really huge case 407 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: happening in Georgia right now called cop City, which is 408 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: that that was this week. 409 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 4: There's a death. 410 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: Penalty case happening this week. There's been a lot going on, 411 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: and so I see this video and my heart just 412 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: just melted, Like Cheryl, that was so so sweet. 413 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: They were so excited, and I just not only appreciate 414 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: you being a part of my Zone seven, but just 415 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: being so generous to our zone sound. 416 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: I love it. It is a profound It is on my calendar. 417 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 2: I just like, can't wait, can't wait. This is one 418 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: of those parts of my week that I just look 419 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 2: forward to. I love our conversations. I love what this 420 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: podcast and discussion represents and the people that listen to it, 421 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: because they're not out there spreading the doom and gloom. 422 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: They're looking for something that shows our commonality together because 423 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: we're good people and we want what's best, and good people, 424 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: we have so much more in common than we have 425 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 2: different We just need to focus on that and we 426 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: can we can talk through the problems the violence and 427 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: is violence and Aaron in the creation of humanity. Man, 428 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: that's a tough question. They've been working on that one 429 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: a long long time. There's a couple of good books 430 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 2: about it. The good book has a good bit about 431 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: the origins of original sin. There's a touch there. Really, 432 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: it's up to us to look up forward, to lead, 433 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: to be good people, and to move the conversation forward 434 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 2: in a good way. And that's one of the reasons 435 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: I just love being here. 436 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: And I just want to end this particular crime round 437 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: up by saying, when it comes to Charlie Kirk, I 438 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: will pray for his children and I will defend forever 439 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: his right to say whatever he wanted to say in 440 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: the venue he chose to say it. And the same 441 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: goes for you. 442 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 2: When we start missing that point that what are we 443 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 2: fighting for? 444 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: I want to say one more thing, Josh, because you 445 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: just reminded me of something. You and I a lot 446 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: of times we're on opposite sides of things just because 447 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: of the profession we chose. You and I have laughed 448 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: often that I don't use the word allegedly, you sometimes 449 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: have to teach. 450 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: We're supposed to always crawl up and threaten to die on. 451 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean, whatever you know, But here's what I know 452 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: for sure, and I want everybody to hear this. If 453 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: I disagree with you, this is something I practice. 454 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: And I'll just use pizza because it's easy. 455 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: If I say Pepperoni's the greatest pizza ever and you 456 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: say no, it's sausage and meatball pizza, Okay, we disagree. 457 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna think you're correct. 458 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: But here's what I do know. 459 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: You lead with your heart, and if you're telling me 460 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: that that sausage and meatball pizza is the greatest, I 461 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: might have to try it. It may not change my mind, 462 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: but I know you are not deliberately trying to steer 463 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: me wrong. I know that you believe in your heart 464 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: it's the best, and other people agree with you, So 465 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: those fifty thousand people can't be wrong. 466 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 3: And so we're just gonna Hey, we're gonna. 467 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: Order two pizzas. That's all there is to it, and 468 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: we're still gonna enjoy the margaritas together. 469 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 2: You can agree to disagree for goodness sake, Come on, 470 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 2: all the scene exactly. 471 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 4: It'd be boring. That's the spicy WAF. 472 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: There, spicy life, baby, But I love you too, and 473 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate you and y'all. As Joshua always says, facing 474 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: up forward, we're happy. 475 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: It's gonna be all right.