1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,000 Speaker 1: There's a big down. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 2: We're in the red zone and I want to one 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 2: I take a disrespect to me that you know death. 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: The coordinators like, all right, you're gonna play him man 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: and beat him. And I was just like, it's not 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 2: gonna happen to me. And I just ran a favor 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: oute exactly what I did in practice, and God took 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 2: care of the rest. 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: The Next man A podcast is presented by Lansdown Resort 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 3: from kickoff to check and you score, game, change and 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 3: get away in the heart of louder. 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Amen, Because I'm sure there was a moment at 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: some point this year where maybe you had the question 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: if you would be able to do what you love Man, 24 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: That's why I love doing Next Man Up because a 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: lot of times you don't get to tell the full story. 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: Y'all don't get to tell how y'all even got to 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: this point and your first round pick had injuries pretty 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: much your entire first few years. Man, how tough was 29 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: it to deal with that aspect before you even made 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: it to Washington? How tough was those first few years 31 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: in the league. 32 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: I'd say, uh, it was. 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: It was pretty tough, just because coming out of college, 34 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: I've never I didn't even have injuries. Be getting to 35 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,919 Speaker 2: the league and you know, different circumstances, but I'm favorite 36 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: by gods, so I don't really bother me at all. 37 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: No, I just I keep my faith. 38 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: It's my main priority for me, even when I'm doing 39 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: good or doing bad. So just going through those injuries, 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: I would say, I'd say it's tough, but I really 41 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: wouldn't really tripping on. I just knew that my time 42 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: would come. And no, God always has a plan for everybody, 43 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: So it's followed that plan to it. 44 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: A man, he had a plan for you, and that's 45 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: easier said than done. Man, Like it's you know, I'm 46 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: a man of faith as well, but it's still a 47 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: human being. It is hard not to waver sometimes and wonder, 48 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: like what is happening right now? And you get put 49 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: on injured reserve where most people they end up just 50 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: playing out the year and then they figure out what happened. 51 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: But Titian's decide to let you go. You a first 52 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 3: round pick, top twenty pick. That don't happen often. Man, 53 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: was there a moment because it was very quick now, 54 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: it was only it was only a free agent for 55 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 3: all the way round for a few days. But was 56 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: there a moment where you were like, Man, I might 57 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: not ever be able to do this game I love anymore? 58 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: I would say after I tore my aclo last year. Yeah, 59 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: back in October, I questioned myself if I wanted to 60 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: keep playing football because I told myself I tore my 61 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: ac my left aco in high school, and I kind 62 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: of told myself that if I tore my right a cl, 63 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: I wo wasn't play no more because I was tired. 64 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: I didn't want to go through the same thing that 65 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: I went through on my left side. So but just 66 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: being close with my family and friends, man, you know 67 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: I got I was in great spirit. Actually went through 68 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: some hard things. My great grandmother passed after I tore 69 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: my a c O. Then I have I had a 70 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 2: beautiful little girl, so that uplifted everything. 71 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: And no, I'm here, so I wouldn't. 72 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: I would say that journey made me a better man, 73 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: a better player, and a better father. 74 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: So I'm blessed for it. 75 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 5: Man. 76 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: That is beautiful. Man. And during those times when you 77 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: are going through things, not just work stuff, but life 78 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: stuff like you mentioned, I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother. 79 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: Was it your baby that got you through out? Who 80 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: did you lean on in those moments to help get 81 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: you through? Because I think that's very important because sometimes 82 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: people don't have anybody to lean on for sure. 83 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 84 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: Man, my daughter and my wife them too, my agent. 85 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: My PT was it was a quite a few people 86 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: that actually, you know, stuck out like short thumbs to 87 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: me and show more interest in me. And you know, 88 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: I could tell that they wanted the best for me, 89 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: So you know, I just never once I figured that out. 90 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: It was just I think that just added a little 91 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: more fuel to the fire. It was like, all right, 92 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: you know, they want to they want to cut me 93 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: so big, and I know what I can do. 94 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: God knows what I can do. 95 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna let God take me on the 96 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: journey and you know, we'll show everybody. 97 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: And you get cut, and not just the commander. There 98 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: was a few teams that wanted a piece of you. 99 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: What made you decide to take your talents here and 100 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: rip the burgundy and go over? 101 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: Man, when I first got here, I could just tell 102 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: it was different starting in the locker room, GM assistant 103 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: GM head coach, position coach. Oh see, shoot, everybody in 104 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: the building just like welcomed me with open arms, even 105 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: when I was when I came on to tryout, and 106 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: it made me just feel part of a team. And 107 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: that's what I've always wanted, was just to feel part 108 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: of a team and feel. 109 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: Wanted, you know what I mean? 110 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: And you know that's that was big for me because 111 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: just going down the past three to four years, I 112 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: didn't really feel like that. So I just, like I said, 113 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: it just fueled the fire and that I haven't looked back, 114 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: not going to look back. 115 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm blessed for it and just gonna keep rolling. 116 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: Man. That had to have been pretty tough though, because 117 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 3: I'm looking at a first round pick here. 118 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 4: You haven't had to try out for a team at all. 119 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 3: Really, you know, you had to do the combine and 120 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: things like that, but you never had to ever try out. 121 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 4: And say, you know, hey want me? Was that a 122 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: little humbling? 123 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: I'd say it was humbling when I got cut because 124 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: deep down I knew that what I could do on 125 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 2: the field, it wasn't It wasn't me, you know what 126 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: I mean, Like, yeah, I could have done you know, 127 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 2: took care of my body better, studied harder, worked out better, 128 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: like all those things. But it was just God, man, 129 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: he was just showing me like, okay, brother, let's take 130 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: a step back, let's slow down, let's. 131 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: Get our gears under control, and then let's move forward. 132 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: And that's what I did. And man, I'm here now. 133 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: And when you have a change like that, it's not easy. Right, 134 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: You went about a month on our practice squad. How 135 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 3: did you keep yourself right and ready during that time? 136 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: Because again, this is unfamiliar territory for you. Only if 137 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 3: you never had to try out, you really had to 138 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 3: touch a practice squad for real, What was that like? 139 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: How did you keep yourself ready? 140 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: I mean I took it personal going against I just 141 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: took it as like I'm going against the number one 142 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: defense every day, and I'm like, if I can go 143 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: out here and be who I am against these guys, 144 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: I can play like he ain't nothing stopped me because 145 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: those are the same guys that are playing on Sunday. 146 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: So why can I be out there on the offense 147 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: and do it to another defense. That's just how I 148 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: took it, And I mean, it's football at the end 149 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: of the day. It's just how you go about your business, 150 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 2: as in listening to the outside noise or the inside noise. 151 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: And I don't listen to the outside noise. I listen 152 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: to the people that I'm with every day, and I 153 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: lower it and savior. So no, that's that's how I 154 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: get down. 155 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 4: You mentioned that outside noise. 156 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: Whenever a first round pick coming to the building, people 157 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: are going to tall attention. People are gonna notice and 158 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: be watching. Then they're hearing you're making plays a practice, 159 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 3: but everybody was noticing when you made that one hand. Cash. 160 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: Let's get right into it. I don't want to bury 161 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: the lead anymore, bro, Just walk us through what happened there. 162 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: I'm sure you've had to talk about this catch endlessly. Man. 163 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: I'm sure at this point you're probably sick of it. 164 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: Hopefully this is the last time you have to describe it. 165 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: If you are sick of it. Man, talk to us 166 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: about that play. 167 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 5: Man. 168 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: I'll tell you there was so much magic around it. 169 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: I just saying, man, it was just going to making 170 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: him play for the team. There was a big down. 171 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: We're in the red zone, and I want on one, 172 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: I take it disrespect to me that, you know, the 173 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: the coordinators like, all right, you're gonna play him man 174 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: and beat him. 175 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: And I was just like, it's not gonna happen to me. 176 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: And I just ran a favor oute did exactly what 177 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: I did in practice, and God took her of the rest. 178 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: I just honestly, I didn't know I caught it until 179 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: I felt my finger, because I mean I just broke 180 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: my finger two three weeks ago. 181 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: I mean he's still swollen. 182 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 2: Right down, but I felt it like I just felt 183 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: the ball just stick. 184 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: And I don't know, God took her to the reds. 185 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: When does a moment like that hit you, right, because 186 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: it's not in the game. You know, you're adrenaline still going, 187 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: you're trying to win the game. When does that moment 188 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: hit you? Is it when you get to the crib 189 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: and see Odell Beckham Junior reached out to you directly 190 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: on some y'o one three one three? 191 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: When does that moment hit you? Or have you let 192 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: it hit you? 193 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: Yxuse? I know sometimes that's all. 194 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: I'm not the type of person that like, let's see 195 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: be like, oh shit, dude, I just called it one 196 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: hand and passbjut of this. That's not me because I'm 197 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: the type shit I want to do it next week, 198 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: I want to do it the next week. I want 199 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: to keep keep on doing it being consistent just because 200 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: of what I've been through. Like I'm not gonna yeah, 201 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: great catch, but that's not like I make those plays 202 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: in practice, Like that's what I do. And like I said, 203 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 2: that was just a way that I wanted to contribute 204 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: to the team and the A team players. 205 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: This is a poeticness to it because I had rest. 206 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if this is true, but that when 207 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: you tore your a CL it was off of a 208 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 3: one hand catch it practice, right? Is that true? 209 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: So you're talking about that, So I didn't this was 210 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: non contact when I told my a cl what you're 211 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: talking about it is. Actually we had a joint practice 212 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: in Minnesota and I told my one another injury, but 213 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: I did catch it, catch it one hand, passed and 214 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 2: throw my meniscus. 215 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's. 216 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: Crazy how life works out man. It is yeah here man, 217 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: and you know, I got to imagine a play like 218 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: that builds confidence for yourself. But also seeing the way Jaden, 219 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: the way everybody on the sideline was just so happy 220 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 3: for you. 221 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 5: Man. 222 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: Man, how doe was it to be a part of 223 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: a brotherhood? 224 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 5: Like? 225 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: Man, it's it's you don't come by it easy. And 226 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: I don't take it for granted either, because that's how 227 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: that's how I grew up. You know, I was raised 228 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: by my great grandparents and it was like a brotherly family. 229 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: You know, we were all right there and that's what 230 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: it feels like here, and I'm just blessed to be 231 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: here and trailing. 232 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 3: We love that you're getting it done on the field, 233 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: but our partners and lands that resort like so know 234 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: that you're taking downtime as well. And somebody like you, 235 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: who has been through so many injuries his whole career, 236 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: how do you spend your downtime, Whether that's recovering, whether 237 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: that's just getting right with your mental maybe it's just 238 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: playing with your baby girl. Man, how do you spend 239 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: you downtown? 240 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: You said it right, the last one. I make sure 241 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: I spend at least two or three hours here after 242 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: practice and recover, you know, make sure that my body's 243 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: feeling good, and then I go when I go home, 244 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: I leave football here going to my baby girl and 245 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: we play all night long till she's about to go 246 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: to bed. 247 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: And that's that's my joy right there, just seeing her. 248 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: When I walk through the door, call my name, runs 249 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: up to me, and you know, she's already going to 250 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: grab a ball, grab one of her cars or something, 251 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: ready to play. And so, you know, I find joining 252 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: that because you know, we live in a life that, 253 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes we forget the things that really matter, 254 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: just because we get caught up in football. And I 255 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: take pride in giving back to her because you know, 256 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: she's so young and vulnerable, and I just want to 257 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: make sure that she knows that she got a dad 258 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: there with one hundred percent. 259 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: That's a blessing. 260 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 5: Man. 261 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: It's great to have those things outside of football that 262 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: drive you. Last question for you, brother, we are headed 263 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: to Minnesota, the first of a back to back. How 264 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: ready are you to show that you got a lot 265 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 3: more in you than just the one hand catch when 266 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: you take on the bike. 267 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: For sure. Just tune in on Sunday. It's all I 268 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: can say. 269 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: You know, we're all gonna go out there and play 270 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 2: command of football now. It's honestly not about me or 271 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: Dad Catch. It's about being a great teammate and winning 272 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: football games. 273 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: And that's what we're gonna do. 274 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: Spoken like a true commanded trailer man. Is a pleasure 275 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: to meet you, brother. Thank you for taking the time 276 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 3: to pull up on so. I'm sure you've been a 277 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 3: very busy man this week. Brother. We appreciate you. Command 278 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: his family. Our next man up trailing burks. Mister one 279 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: hand catch himself has a lot more to do in 280 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: the burgery and gold. We appreciate you, brother, appreciate you. 281 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: Command is family. We hope you have been enjoying. 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They say your work defines who you are. 295 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 3: Monday through Friday nine to five, you are clocking in. 296 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: What happens on the weekend. What happens to your time. 297 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: You could take it easy, or you could use your 298 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: time to get better. In the US Army we think differently. 299 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 3: Your time should be used to improve the skills you 300 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: do have to learn some you don't, to put yourself 301 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: in new ways, because it's those days that truly define 302 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: who you are. That's how you make progress, That's how 303 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: you make impact on the world around you. It's your time. 304 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: How you spend it is up to you. It's your time. 305 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: The US Army Reserve Command his family back to the 306 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: show for our next man up. We have a legend 307 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: that played a long time ago, but if you look 308 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: at him today, you would think he was my age. 309 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: He aged beautifully. He is a super Bowl champion and 310 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: a member of the fun Bunch. Welcoming in, Virgil c 311 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: to next man up, brother, how are you? 312 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 5: I'm doing well. I'm doing well, really am. I just 313 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 5: have a little bit of a issue, you said. You 314 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 5: said him, Oh, I'm not old. 315 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: You had clearly not. I had to preface it because 316 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: I wanted him to see the youngness. 317 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 4: Man. 318 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: You ain't got no wrinkles, right, You're still good. I'm 319 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: trying to age like you. 320 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 5: I'm doing okay. I'm doing okay. 321 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: That's great. Virgil. No, thank you so much for taking 322 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: the time when we met just this past game. As 323 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: soon as I met you, you're giving me game. You 324 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: let me know, hey, you got to do things like this. 325 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: So I appreciate you taking the time because so many 326 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: times my generation and generations after me don't get to 327 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 3: hear from people like you, So we appreciate it so much. 328 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: Let's start from the very very beginning, because back when 329 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: you were drafted, there was more than seven rounds in 330 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: the NFL. You were drafted in the tenth round to 331 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: the Denver broncos Man. Let's start at the very beginning, 332 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: because I'm sure it's been a while since you've been 333 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: able to tell your story. 334 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 4: What was that like for a young Virgil? 335 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 5: Well, it was a little different, Like you said, back then, 336 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 5: there were I believe there were twelve rounds, and I 337 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 5: got drafted in the tenth and I was actually sitting 338 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 5: in my dorm, not in the room, but in the 339 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 5: in the hallway, and I got a phone call in 340 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 5: our hallway dorm and I had to go from the 341 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 5: from the lobby back up to the hallway to receive 342 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 5: the phone call from Red Miller that I got drafted. 343 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: That was probably pretty much normal for most people. So 344 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: are they like, do they call you and say called back? 345 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: Are they waiting on the line for you to make 346 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: this track to the phone? 347 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 5: Actually, at that time, I believe was like I said, 348 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 5: someone answered the phone and came downstairs. I stayed on 349 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 5: the fourth floor and the lobby area was on about 350 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 5: that I think was on the third floor, second or 351 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 5: third floor, So they came to get me and I 352 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 5: went back upstairs to receive the phone call in the hallway. 353 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 5: So it was probably i'd say about a three minute 354 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 5: three to five minute transition time. 355 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: That is so different than what we see today, right, 356 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: because we know now the NFL Draft today it's just 357 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: such a big event. People are either going to the 358 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: after or just surrounded by the level. Was there in 359 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 3: a living room? What was it like taking that call 360 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: and what it sounds like just a public setting right there? 361 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 3: I mean, you see how special and what these moments mean. 362 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: When you watched the draft today, was it still a 363 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: special moment for you? 364 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 5: It was a special moment because you know, I'm sitting 365 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 5: there and I had been receiving information about I would 366 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 5: be drafted here or there or whatever, But I wasn't 367 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 5: I wasn't really excited until it actually happened. And when 368 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 5: it happened, like I said, it was a phone call 369 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 5: upstairs and I had to guy came. I can't remember 370 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 5: who it was that came to get me, and I 371 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 5: went back upstairs. I don't know if I ran upstairs, 372 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 5: hopped or whatever. I got upstairs and received a phone call. 373 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 3: And then after that phone call, right because again, you 374 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 3: you at college, what do you do right after that? 375 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: Do you call family? Do you call your mom? How 376 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: did you react to that news? Once you hang up 377 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 3: that phone, because again, it's a very different setting than 378 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 3: what we're used to seeing people get drafted in. 379 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 5: It is a very different setting. And the first thing 380 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 5: that I did, and I always do when there's some 381 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 5: type of news or something that I'm involved in, I 382 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 5: call my mama and I told her what was going on. 383 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 5: And I was telling her and says, I don't know 384 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 5: what to do. I just received a phone call I 385 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 5: got drafted, And she said, okay, let me, let me 386 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 5: make some phone calls. And my mom made some phone 387 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 5: calls and got me an agent who was not actually 388 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 5: an agent at the time, he was an attorney in 389 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 5: my hometown. 390 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 3: What an interesting story, man. That is crazy because I'm 391 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: sure back then that would happen a lot right where 392 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: you probably don't get the resources that a lot of 393 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: college kids get today, where a lot of times before 394 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 3: they even get the call, they have that agent. So 395 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: I appreciate that insight. And then you go to the 396 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: dem for Broncos. I mean, you talked about a little 397 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: bit before we started the interview, but you never actually 398 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 3: ended up playing a regular season game for the Broncos, Right, 399 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: That is true? 400 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 5: That is true. I got drafted, Like I said, tenth 401 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 5: round and we're up up to training camp. I was. 402 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 5: I was a receiver and return specials. I have returned punts, kicks, 403 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 5: whatever they had to do with getting the ball to me, 404 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 5: I would be able to. I would do except center, 405 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 5: of course. But I love kickoff. Excuse me, I like kickoff. 406 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 5: I love punt return, absolutely love punt returns, and I 407 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 5: like receiver. But yeah, you give me a punt return, 408 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 5: and yeah it could be it could be nasty for 409 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 5: the other team. 410 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 3: Clear the way, because of course after I think what 411 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 3: year two is when you ended up winning that Super Bowl? 412 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 3: Was that year three for you? 413 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 5: It was actually year two because we had started out unfortunately. 414 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 5: We started out h to five with Washington, and then 415 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 5: we ended up on a run where we won eight 416 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 5: of our next eleven games and ended up eight and eight, 417 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 5: and then the following year we went on and won 418 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. 419 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 3: And before we talk about that Super Bowl, I want 420 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 3: to know what it was like for you getting cut 421 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 3: from the Broncos. I believe you told me you got 422 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 3: cut after that very first preseason game. Didn't really know why, 423 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: just kind of the business. What happens after that? What 424 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: is the journey that gets you to Washington after your 425 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 3: cut by the Broncos. 426 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 5: Well, what happened after that? I got my ticket to 427 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 5: come home. But what I did instead of going back 428 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 5: to my hometown, I went to Dintgomery, Alabama's at that time, 429 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 5: and it was closer to Troy, so if I needed 430 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 5: to get there and work out, I could. I just 431 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 5: I just stayed in shape, running and doing all the 432 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 5: things that I could to so that if I had 433 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 5: another opportunity, I would be ready for it. I don't 434 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 5: know if that would have happened if I had gone 435 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 5: back to my hometown. Who's who knows. But the route 436 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 5: that I took was the best at that time I felt, 437 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 5: and it proved to be the right choice. 438 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 3: So when you get that call from Washington, they just 439 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 3: end up reaching out to you, like, how do you 440 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 3: end up in Washington? 441 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 5: Well, what happened that year? I'd gotten a phone call 442 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 5: to come and do a workout. I think it was 443 00:21:53,480 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 5: the Saints the Jets in Washington, and the Jets only 444 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 5: wanted me as either a punt returner or receiver, and 445 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 5: the same thing with New Orleans. So but Washington was 446 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 5: going to allow me to do both. My agent and 447 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 5: I said you know that's probably the best option. So 448 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 5: we chose to go to Washington, and it proved to 449 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 5: be the right choice. 450 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: Was there a world during that time when you're trying 451 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: to keep yourself ready at Troy, your your training. Was 452 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: there a time when you thought that maybe your NFL 453 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: career was over? 454 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 5: Like? 455 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 3: Was there ever a time when you had doubt or wondered, like, man, 456 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 3: what am I doing here? Is this gonna work out? 457 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 5: I actually did not have that that doubt. I felt 458 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 5: that my skills were able, I was able. I was 459 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 5: going to be able to to fit in somewhere either 460 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 5: like I said, as a kick returner, a punt returner, 461 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 5: or receiver. Now I'm only five eight, Well now i'm 462 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 5: five seven, but five to eight, and at that time 463 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 5: you don't find that many smaller receivers in the NFL. 464 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 5: But you know, my determination I feel made me bigger 465 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 5: than what I was. 466 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 3: And getting to play under a guy I coach gives 467 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: every time I talk to legends, I've never heard a 468 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: negative thing about him. I hear about the coach, the leader, 469 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 3: but also like the father figure, the friend. How valuable 470 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: was it getting to go to a team in Washington 471 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 3: that had a coach like Joe Gibbs. 472 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 5: It was great. And I don't think I've told this 473 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 5: story many times, but during the time that we were 474 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 5: in the first part of nineteen eighty one and we 475 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 5: we were losing games. We lost our first game, we 476 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 5: lost our second game, we lost our third game, and 477 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 5: our fifth game. That following meeting team that we had 478 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 5: that we came in and there were some names on 479 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 5: the board of players that coach Gibbs felt needed to 480 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 5: Douce needed to do better. I needed to show why 481 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 5: he picked them. And you know, you're looking, and I 482 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 5: look and I see my name on the board, and 483 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: I said, wait a minute. I thought that I was 484 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 5: doing what I was supposed to be doing, and I'm 485 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 5: I'm like I said, I'm doing what I'm supposed to 486 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 5: be doing. But at that point I was playing sparingly, 487 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 5: So you know, I focused a little bit more, started 488 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 5: doing started working a little bit harder, and ended up 489 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 5: playing bit more and got a chance to start the 490 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 5: the last part of the season. And I guess by 491 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 5: me seeing my name up there on the board says 492 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 5: to me, I wasn't doing what I should be doing. 493 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 5: I thought that I was, but I wasn't so that 494 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 5: kicking the pants from Coach Gibbs and it was a 495 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 5: sun kick, but it was good. Helped me to understand, hey, 496 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 5: you can do better, and from that point on I 497 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 5: just did whatever I could do. 498 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: Was there a conversation after because I think I remember 499 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: you telling me the story when we met about seeing 500 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 3: your name on that list, and that could be taken 501 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 3: it anyway right like again, because in your mindset, I'm 502 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 3: doing what I need to do, I'm overachieving if anything. 503 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: Do you talk to Coach Gibbs about that? Do you 504 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 3: ask them like, hey, what more can I do? Or 505 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 3: is it just one of those things where as soon 506 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: as you see your name on that list you knew 507 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: what time it was. 508 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 5: Well, the thing is you can, like you said, you 509 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 5: can look at it one of two ways, Oh, I'm 510 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 5: doing what I'm supposed to be doing and say okay, yeah. 511 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 5: But then again you go back and you look and say, hey, 512 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 5: can you do more? Or are you giving one of 513 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 5: effort every single time? And if you if you look 514 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 5: at it, if you go back and take it back 515 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 5: internally and start saying, Okay, maybe I didn't do this, 516 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 5: maybe I didn't do that, and I and I see that. 517 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 5: I says, Okay, I need to do this, I need 518 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 5: to do more, I need to do better. But again 519 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 5: you get some somewhat other person that says I'm doing 520 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 5: all I can. I ain't doing no more. Well, you 521 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 5: get what you get. So I took it upon myself 522 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 5: to do what I could, and like I said, started 523 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 5: playing better, started studying more, and able to make the 524 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 5: club again. Well not make the club again, but able 525 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 5: to play more and become a starter that last part 526 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 5: of the season. 527 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 3: There's a humbleness to that, right when you're in that 528 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 3: moment where you see your name on that list, Because 529 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: like you painted it perfectly, it could go multitude of ways. 530 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 3: It could make gods mad and say they don't want 531 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 3: to do this no more? Right, But you decided to 532 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: stick with it. And then you come through the next 533 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: year super Bowl. So you get these two years where 534 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: one you got to start off really rough on five 535 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 3: and then you get that note saying hey, I need 536 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: to step up. Did you ever shake that feeling that 537 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: you needed to do more? 538 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 5: Though? 539 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 3: Because I feel like when something like that happened so 540 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 3: early in your career, it's easy to have that mindset 541 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 3: in that chip almost for the rest of your life. 542 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 3: Did you ever have a moment, especially in that two 543 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 3: year span when you're headed to the Super Bowl, that 544 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 3: you felt like I'm doing enough. 545 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 5: I always want to do better. I strive to perfection, 546 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 5: but I know I will never be perfect, but I 547 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 5: want to at least do what I can. I want 548 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 5: to learn as much as I can. I want to 549 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 5: talk to players like Art Mom and learn the things 550 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 5: that he knows. And he can share quiet person, but 551 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 5: you got to get into him and talk to him, 552 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 5: and and I learned some things also, you know, talking 553 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 5: with some of the defensive backs at that time, Joe Lavender, 554 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 5: uh learn learn some things from him. Joe laven was 555 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 5: taller than I was. Of course most everyone is. But 556 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 5: you have to learn. You have to learn learn from 557 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 5: your coaches. But you also get a different learning curve 558 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 5: when you're getting something from the players, because they feel 559 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 5: what you feel, they see what you see, and they've 560 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 5: been where you've been. Not saying that the coaches have it, 561 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 5: but it's right then and there and they've given you. 562 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 5: They're giving you what you could do or what you 563 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 5: should do, or this is what I do and this 564 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 5: is how I approach how to get there. 565 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 3: And it wasn't just art that you had and your disposal. 566 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: I mean you had a utility belt of players who 567 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: have to play with so much. So y'all were called 568 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: the fun Bunch, which I think it's one of the 569 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: best names that a group in the NFL has. Man, 570 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 3: How valuable was it to have that brotherhood because you 571 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 3: mentioned learning from players why you got to play with 572 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 3: some of the best. Ever, how valuable was that brotherhood 573 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: you had with the full months. 574 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 5: That was actually great. I mean it kind of started 575 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 5: back the year that that Joe gibbson first year when 576 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 5: we're you know, players kind of joke with each other 577 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 5: and call people names and this, that and the other, 578 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 5: and tell you another story where part of it came from. 579 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember the name Terry Metcalf. Well, 580 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 5: Terry Metcalf and I would always call each other short 581 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 5: this and short that. He true enough, he was taller 582 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 5: than I am, and uh one of the one day 583 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 5: he called me a smurf. I said, smurf, when is that? 584 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 5: He said, you don't. You don't know what that is? 585 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 5: He says, go home and on Saturday morning, turn the 586 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 5: television on and you'll see these little blue people and 587 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 5: you'll you'll see what I'm talking about. I went home 588 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 5: and I did that. I came back and I gave 589 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 5: him his props. He said, Okay, that's that's a good one. 590 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 5: That's a good one. You got me on that one. 591 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 5: So that kind of stuck with me because I became 592 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 5: popa Smurf since I was the first Smurf, and then 593 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 5: Alvin and Charlie Brown were the other Smurfs, So we 594 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 5: learned from Charlie. Charlie got the long arms, came from 595 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 5: South Carolina State, and he does all the all the 596 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 5: the he can catch the ball as well. Then you 597 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 5: got Alvin, who is the shorter of the Smurfs, but 598 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 5: he he he did something on the field as well. 599 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 5: And then you know, you got Art of course, and 600 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 5: then Rick, because Rick Rick Rick was a he's he's 601 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 5: he's a guy to get things going, and uh, once 602 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 5: it gets going, it just takes off from there. Otis 603 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 5: Wansley was also part of the fun bunch. But you know, 604 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 5: we all we all poke fun at each other to 605 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 5: keep each other ready to play, and uh we we 606 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 5: did a good job of that, and we we kind 607 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 5: of came up with this, uh with this, Uh, I 608 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 5: don't want to call her a dance this uh. 609 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 3: Whatever it is and celebration maybe. 610 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 5: Celebration can celebration and we we decided we were going 611 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 5: to break it out and uh we did and it 612 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 5: kind of took off. And but the one of the 613 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 5: things that happened is I can't remember who it was. 614 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 5: A scored first and we were supposed to come down 615 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 5: and do our celebration and person forgot. Happened again person forgot. 616 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 5: And then the third time we had an opportunity to jump, 617 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 5: and we you we jumped, and uh that that uh 618 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 5: that took off. That it really took off, and uh 619 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 5: the fans loved it, and we loved giving it to 620 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 5: the fans. So every time every time that we one 621 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 5: of one of the fun Munch members scored, it was 622 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 5: it was on. It was really on, and it was 623 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 5: it was a great time. It was a great time. 624 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 3: And that is so special because when I hear people 625 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: like you talk about even Gary talk about it, Santana 626 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 3: Moss talk about your guys's height and your size during 627 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 3: that time, a five eight five nine receiver is not 628 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 3: really rare these days, right, Like you see guys all 629 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: different sizes play in that position, but back when you 630 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: did it, it was almost unheard of. Did you realize 631 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: what you were doing at that time? Because I feel 632 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 3: like guys like yourself who wore undersized receivers were real 633 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: pioneers for what the NFL looks like today? Did you 634 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 3: realize that in real time? 635 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 5: Not really? I mean at that time, I really didn't 636 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 5: look at size in the NFL. It was only when 637 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 5: we were talking about each other, calling each other short, 638 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 5: that's the time I realized it. But you know, after 639 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 5: playing well, I think I believe we played bigger than 640 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 5: larger than life, bigger than life. Again, we were five 641 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 5: five seventy five eight one hundred and seventy eighty pounds 642 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 5: and we're not we're not big, but we could play 643 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 5: big and as long as I mean, Joe Gibbs gave 644 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 5: us the the the the the techniques and everything to use, 645 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 5: and we used it, and we practiced what we used 646 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 5: and it was it was great. I don't nowadays, I 647 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 5: don't know if if the guys are really practicing their fundamentals, 648 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 5: because fundamentals, they never get tired. The body of muscles 649 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 5: may tire, but the fundamentals never tire. So if you're 650 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 5: constantly working on your fundamentals, he could be first games, 651 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 5: third game, tenth game, playoffs. So whatever, those fundamentals don't change, 652 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 5: they don't get tired. You just work on it. You 653 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 5: just sharp, You just stay sharp with them if you 654 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 5: are disciplined enough to stay with it. 655 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: And it's so rare where you have a team that 656 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 3: has so many different people that have that same mindset, 657 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 3: that same discipline. I talk to be Mentioned Gary about 658 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 3: it all the time, and I'm like, it just seems 659 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 3: so rare, Like normally you got maybe three or five 660 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 3: dogs on the team, But when you think about the 661 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 3: entire team being locked in like that, and clearly I 662 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 3: were locked and you end up getting that Super Bowl 663 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 3: in year two? What do you remember most about that run? 664 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 5: What do I remember most? Actually, the the week of 665 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 5: that game, the week of the Super Bowl, we were 666 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 5: in the meeting offensive meeting and Coach Gibbs put the 667 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 5: offense up and we had to be in one position. 668 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 5: He called it an explode package where we would come 669 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 5: in in one position and then we'd break out into 670 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 5: a different location. So the defense had to adjust to us. 671 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 5: And that's all well, and fine, you have to adjust 672 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 5: to us, because one thing about what Coach Gibbs did 673 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 5: is there are always options from the options that the 674 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 5: defense gave you, and no matter where they were, they 675 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 5: were going to be wrong. And we knew it because, 676 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 5: like I said, that explode package the very first time, 677 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 5: we had no idea what it was, and then all 678 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 5: of a sudden we started doing it and it was like, oh, yeah, 679 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 5: this is going to be great, this is going to 680 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 5: be great. And it turned out to be turned out 681 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 5: to be great, Yeah, it did. 682 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 3: I love hearing from all the legends when you guys 683 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 3: talk about these Super Bowl runs, because as many talented 684 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 3: people that were on the field on both sides of 685 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 3: the ball, you have all of these different groups, all 686 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 3: of you all speak most about the coach, about Coach 687 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 3: Gibs and how important he was to you guys and 688 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 3: your success. Do you think you find the level of 689 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 3: success that you found in your career without coach gives 690 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 3: you know? 691 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think so, because if I go 692 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 5: back to my high school time, Mike, my high school 693 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 5: coach didn't yell or scream and holler or curse or this, 694 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 5: that and the other. So that was kind of built 695 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 5: into me all throughout, even even when I went to 696 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 5: junior college. Now that JUNI my junior college coach was 697 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 5: a he was a he was a yeller, but it 698 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 5: was a different time, so it's a it's an understood 699 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 5: kind of thing. And then when I left left a 700 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 5: junior college, went on went on the Troy UH. He 701 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 5: he wasn't a yellow or streamer either. So then to 702 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 5: come into to come into uh Washington, and I had 703 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 5: a coach like coach Gibb who was he was a 704 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 5: teacher also, and it's it's it's it's basically what I 705 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 5: needed because if I had a yeller and a streamer, 706 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 5: I don't believe I would have made it in the 707 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 5: NFL because that's that's I don't respond that way. I 708 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 5: don't respond to people yelling and screaming and this, that 709 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 5: and the other. That that part turns out to me 710 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 5: because there are ways to get information to someone and 711 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 5: yelling you hear it, but yelling and screaming it goes 712 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 5: in one ar or not the other. If someone is 713 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 5: talking to you and you hear it, you understand why 714 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 5: and they explain why, Oh y you get that you 715 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 5: want to you want to do whatever you can to 716 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,439 Speaker 5: to make things the way they should be done. 717 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 3: I'm so glad you put it like that because I 718 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 3: think that people miss how rare having a coach like 719 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 3: that is that knows how to connect and communicate with 720 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 3: so many different people, so many different personalities. And I 721 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 3: think that that's why I love hearing these coach give 722 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 3: stories so much. And you've accomplished so much in your 723 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 3: career on and off the field. But before I let 724 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 3: you go, there's one thing I wanted to highlight because 725 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, Troy puts you in their hall 726 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 3: of Fame. Correct your college? 727 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 5: Actually, yes, Troy put me in after my hometown put 728 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 5: me in. My hometown put me in the hall of 729 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 5: fame first, and I guess sometimes. 730 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: After that. 731 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 5: My junior college and Troy put me in as well. 732 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 5: So I have been blessed by being put in the 733 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 5: hall of fame in my hometown, in my junior college, 734 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 5: uh and in Troy as well. And something that a 735 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 5: lot of people don't know, and I'll share it with 736 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 5: you is my hometown, Calquak County, Georgia, has an indoor 737 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 5: practice facility. And that indoor practice facility is named after 738 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 5: Ray Golf and myself. It is a phenomenal indoor practice 739 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 5: facility for a high school. Wow. 740 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 3: That that means you had to have been one of 741 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 3: those ones, right, not just a great football player, but 742 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 3: a great man, because I don't think you get all 743 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 3: of these accolades, even post career, without being just an 744 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 3: amazing individual. So you have these super Bowls, your multiple 745 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 3: Hall of Fames, you have a facility named after you, 746 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 3: your hometown. When it's all set and done, years from now, 747 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 3: twenty thirty fifty years from now, how do you want 748 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 3: Virgil to be remembered? 749 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 5: Well, I would say, I would say a person who 750 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 5: loved people. I would say a person who would try 751 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 5: to give the experience that I had to anyone who 752 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 5: would want to listen, anyone who needed any type of 753 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,399 Speaker 5: pick me up. I share my my height, my height 754 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 5: is five whatever, and I'll say, hey, if I can 755 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 5: do it, you can do it. I mean, I'll share. 756 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 5: I'll share anything that I that can with with with 757 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 5: male female, and share my experiences. I would share a 758 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 5: thought of you can do it, And I do that 759 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 5: with like I said, anyone, whether whether I know you 760 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 5: or I don't. 761 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 3: You know. 762 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 5: Sometimes you, you can, you can, you can be around someone, 763 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 5: or you can you can walk up to someone, or 764 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 5: you can be near someone and you can sense that 765 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:51,280 Speaker 5: they need some type of of encouragement of some kind 766 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 5: and a simple how you're doing, and they'll go into 767 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 5: whatever they they need and you you share, hears something 768 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 5: with him and it picks them up. And that me 769 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 5: picking them up makes my day. It makes me feel 770 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,280 Speaker 5: a whole lot better if I can, if I can 771 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,760 Speaker 5: make someone else happy. 772 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 3: And those things are easy to say, right especially during 773 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 3: the interview, but not many people actually do it, and 774 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 3: I can truly say Commands Family, this is exactly who 775 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 3: he is. We met last weeknd and literally five seconds 776 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,799 Speaker 3: into meeting Virgil, he is giving me game, telling me, yeah, 777 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 3: you gotta do this, like this, you gotta do this, 778 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,359 Speaker 3: and man, it just that kind of energy, especially from 779 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 3: the legends. Man, it means so much to all of us. Virgil, 780 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 3: thank you so much. It's been so great talking to you. 781 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 3: We got to get you in the studio next time 782 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 3: because we know you're not far Command this family, our 783 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 3: next man, A true legend and a great man, Virgil Ce. 784 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 3: I appreciate you, sir, Oh, thank you, Thank you very much. 785 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 3: Thank command this family. We hope you enjoyed this episode 786 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 3: of Next Man Up. Remember you can stream all of 787 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 3: the Next Man of episod right now on the Commander's 788 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 3: YouTube page or the audio wherever you get your podcast. 789 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for supporting the Next Man Up podcast. 790 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 3: You allowed us to be nominated for not one, but 791 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 3: two People's Choice Podcast Awards, Best Male Hosted and Best 792 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 3: Black Male Hosted Podcast. And that's all because of the 793 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 3: best fans in the NFL. I appreciate y'all so much 794 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 3: for supporting us. It's crazy to think we're already in 795 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 3: season three of Next Man Up and we have a 796 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 3: lot more to go. So make sure to subscribe to 797 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 3: the Commander's YouTube page so you don't miss any of 798 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 3: our content. 799 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 4: I'm Brankovi Jr. 800 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 3: And this is Next Man Up. This show was filmed 801 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 3: at the Big Bear AI Commands Interstudio. Big Bear AI 802 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 3: offers this is Ready AI for a rapidly evolving world, 803 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 3: proudly protecting the Washington Commanders and its fans.