1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Daybreak Europe podcast. Good morning, It's Tuesday, 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: the fourteenth of October. I'm Stephen Cowell and Brussels coming 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: up today. Donald Trump signs his Gaza truce deal to 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 2: international acclaim, but establishing a lasting piece in the Middle 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: East still looks difficult. The US and China ratchet up 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: trade tensions with tit for tap measures targeting the shipping industry, 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: plus playing catch up on AI. Europe striving to claim 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: a piece of the global tech boom, but remains dependent 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: on American firms like Nvidia and open Ai. Let's start 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: with a roundup of our top stories. World leaders signed 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: a Gaza ceasefire agreement, brokers by US President Donald Trump, 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: who hailed it as the historic dawn of a new 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: Middle East. There were emotional scenes in Israel where families 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: were reunited with hostages who were taken by Hamas during 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: its October seventh time two years ago. Their release, along 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: with the frying of Palestinian prisoners, marks the successful first 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: phase of the US plan to end the war. President 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: Trump described it as an achievement three thousand years in 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: the making. 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 3: For so many families across this land. It has been 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 3: years since you've known a single day. 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 4: Of true peace. 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: But now, at last israel Is, but also for Palestinians 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: and for many others, the long and painful nightmare is 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: finally over. 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: Even Trump's critics and political opponents agreed he had succeeded 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: where others had failed, although some questioned his rhetoric. Many 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: others still have concerns about how the plan will work 30 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: out in the long term. Officials have yet to lay 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: out a clear plan for disarming Hamas or how to 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: fund the colossal task of rebuilding Gaza. There are also 33 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: questions over who will run the territory, which is home 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: to two point two million people, almost all of whom 35 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: have been displaced by the war. China has thosed curbs 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: on five units of Hanhwa Ocean in response to US 37 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: probes against Chinese maritime logistics and shipbuilding. That's according to 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: a statement from the Chinese Ministry of Commerce. It's the 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 2: latest escalation between the two countries are trying to claim 40 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: they're winning their trade war. Both countries now say the 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: ball is in the other's course to compromise. Speaking yesterday, 42 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: US Treasury Secretary Scott Besson says his administration won't back down. 43 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 4: This is China versus the world. They have pointed in 44 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 4: Bazooka at the supply chains and the industrial base of 45 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 4: the entire free world, and you know we're. 46 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 5: Not going to have it. 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: Scott Bessont speaking there. Despite his stance, he also said 48 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: he believes a planned Trump g meeting will still be on, 49 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: noting substantial communication over the weekend. Elsewhere, smaller economies are 50 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: adapting to a world where US consumers and companies are 51 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: costlier to reach by seeking buyers. In Asia, Europe and Africa. 52 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: The World Trade Organization has revised its four cast for 53 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: merchandise trade growth in twenty twenty five from zero point 54 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 2: nine percent to two point four percent as governments redraw alliances. 55 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: The Philadelphia Fed President Anna Paulsen has signaled she's in 56 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: favor of two more quarter point interest rate cuts this year. 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: Speaking at the National Association for Business Economics annual conference, 58 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: the policymaker said she doesn't see conditions that would turn 59 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: tariff induced price increases into sustained inflation. 60 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 6: My base case is that tariffs will increase the price level, 61 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 6: but they won't leave a lasting imprint on inflation, and 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 6: given this base case, monetary policy should look through tariff 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 6: effects on prices. Why let me start with the economics here. 64 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 6: The lessons from economic theory are clear. So long as 65 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 6: expectations are anchored, increases in prices due to supply effects 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 6: do not turn into an inflation problem. 67 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: The Fed's Anna Poulsen speaking there, She went on to 68 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: say that policymaker's decision to cut interest rates a quarter 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: percentage point last month made sense, though a narrow majority 70 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: of FMC members favor at least two more cuts this year. 71 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: Others have argued for a cautious approach as inflation remains 72 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: above their two percent goal. Bank of England cut policymaker 73 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: Catherine Mann says Brexit and Liz Truss have made the 74 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: UK a less competitive and slower growing economy. Speaking at 75 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: a conference in Philadelphia, the Center banker said the UK's 76 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: vote to leave the European Union was one step in 77 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: a long erosion of sterling as a global currency. She 78 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: added that the implications of Brexit meant the quote supply 79 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: side of the economy for the UK is a real challenge. 80 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: Man had voted to hold interest rates as the last 81 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: two BOE meetings in an effort to shrink inflation, which 82 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: at three point eight percent, is almost double the bank's 83 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: two percent target. Silver prices have reached an all time 84 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: high as traders drive a supply shortage. Spot prices for 85 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: the precious man traded near fifty three dollars an ounce, 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: beating a record set in the nineteen eighties. Concerns about 87 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: a lack of liquidity in London have led some traders 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: to fly bars across the Atlantic to profit from higher prices. 89 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: The squeeze comes as investors globally look for safe havens, 90 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: with gold also climbing to another record high, building on 91 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: eight straight weeks of gains, and SpaceX's Starship successfully lifted 92 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: off for space on Monday in a closely watched test 93 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 2: of its ability to deploy satellites and return to Earth intact. 94 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: The rocket, built as the largest and most powerful ever built, 95 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: completed earlier milestones critical to CEO Elon Musk's aim of 96 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: preparing it for regular missions into orbit and beyond. As 97 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: so to listen to the moment it launched from the 98 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: starbas facility in South Texas. 99 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 5: Three two one, we have lift off, Go Go Starship 100 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 5: thanks for all the historic flights bad. 101 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: One minutes later, the starships Super Heavy Booster is split 102 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: from the spacecraft as planned, before splashing down the Gulf 103 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: of Mexico. The success marks a step forward and Musk's 104 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 2: ambitions to carry NASA astronauts to the Moon in under 105 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: two years and eventually established civilization on Mars. With those 106 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: of your top stories. On the markets, we're looking at 107 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: European stock futures lower two tents and eurostocks fifty this morning. 108 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: In the Nicky and Tokyo down by two point six percent, 109 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: the topics down by two point two percent. Those markets 110 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: catching up after being closed yesterday. The Hang Sting though 111 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: in Hong Kong is down by one percent as well, 112 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: so trades movements there having some effect on markets. Gold 113 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: and silver we've been telling you about both significantly rallying today. 114 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: Gold's up one point six percent, silver is up one 115 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: point nine percent as well. The Bloomberg dollar spot indacts 116 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: a tenth of one percent weaker, and stock futures on 117 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: wall streets the moment are lower two four tenths lower 118 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: for SMP Mini features. In a moment, we'll bring you 119 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: more on events in the Middle East, plus can Europe 120 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: hatch up in the AI race. But another story that 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 2: I've been reading this morning, but had the crash and 122 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: cryptocurrencies played out over the weekend, so some of those 123 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: US China trade headlines on Friday sparking is sell off 124 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: across many asset classes. But Bitcoin plunged around thirteen percent 125 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: after those tensions spike. Bloomberg's Alga Karifo has been writing 126 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: about how the slump was much steeper in the old 127 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: coin market, which are these as she described some ecosystems 128 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: of speculative tokens that have promised generational wealth through viral memes, 129 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: big name branding, and blind faith in memento. Well, it 130 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: seems that blind faith wasn't very well placed when we 131 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: look at the one hundred and thirty one billion dollars 132 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: in value raised from those old coins. That's according to 133 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: ten x Research. Now, this is a sector built on 134 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: thin air liquidity, speculative narratives, and hypes, so it is 135 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: more vulnerable to bigger swings. But August writing that the 136 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: crash raises doubts about the future of this whole ecosystem. 137 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: Traders and market makers see structural support for these tokens 138 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: now eroding with fewer buyers and rise risk a version. 139 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: Could this be a freeze for niche meme coins like 140 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: doge coin. You can read august Fulpolice at Bloomberg dot 141 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: com and put a link to it. In our podcast 142 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: show Notes to the Middle East nowt where US President 143 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: Donald Trump talked about a new beginning for the region 144 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: after the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners under 145 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: the US brokers ceasefire. Yesterday, our head of Middle Eastern 146 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: North Africa covered, Stuart Livingston Wallace joins me now for more. Stuart, 147 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: let's start first of all with how yesterday went. Was 148 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: this a big success for Donald Trump? 149 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 5: Yeah? 150 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 7: I think it was, and I think it would be 151 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 7: mean spirited to say otherwise. And if you think about 152 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 7: what he achieved that certainly his predecessor and many other 153 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 7: international leaders had failed to achieve over a couple of years, 154 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 7: which was ultimately the release of the hostages and also 155 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 7: the release of a couple of thousand Palestinian detainees and prisoners. 156 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 7: So just in terms of the kind of the human impact, 157 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 7: it was a really big day, I think, and particularly 158 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 7: for the region. And then to get that many lead 159 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 7: and I'm referring, of course to the summit and Schelmushak 160 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 7: into a room at short notice I think speaks volumes 161 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 7: to how consequential those actions have been. 162 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: Of course, the signing was the big moment, but what 163 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: sort of plans emerged from that summit in Egypt about 164 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: what happens next in Gaza? 165 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think you can look at this 166 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 7: two ways. I mean, I think you can look at 167 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 7: it as a reminder that there is an awfully long 168 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 7: way to go to getting true peace, particularly in Gaza, 169 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 7: but I would arguably across the Middle East. But on 170 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 7: the other hand, you can view it as again, summoning 171 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 7: and successfully summoning that many leaders from around the world 172 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 7: at short notice shows a degree of goodwill and that 173 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 7: will be absolutely essential in terms of hammering out the 174 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 7: details of what Gaza looks like going forward, both in 175 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 7: terms of the reconstruction and who's going to pay for it, 176 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 7: who's going to provide personnel to monitor cease fires and 177 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 7: then to implement them. And then finally you know who's 178 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 7: going to be involved in formulating credible governance plan for 179 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 7: guards going forward. 180 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: In the immediates. What should we be expecting next in 181 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: this process. 182 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 7: So I mean, to some extent, now the hard work begins, 183 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 7: because it really is a question of hammering out exactly 184 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 7: who is going to take responsibility for what, because I 185 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 7: think no one in with you know, who has been 186 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 7: observing things over the last couple of years would argue 187 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 7: that her Mass is in any position to resume governance, 188 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 7: although there have been early indications that they have been 189 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 7: trying to reassert control. But I think that's a non 190 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 7: starter for just about everyone. So that probably means some 191 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 7: sort of international coalition over the short term, a technocratic 192 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 7: government of some sort and hopefully with a strong Palestinian flavor, 193 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 7: a reform of the Palestinian authority. And then as you 194 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 7: rebuild those institutions across the enclave, you try and find 195 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 7: a way of linking it up with the West Bank, 196 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 7: and you and find a way of bringing or returning 197 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 7: economic prosperity, because I think that is the key here 198 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 7: is it needs functioning infrastructure and it needs a functioning 199 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 7: economy for this to be viable in any sort of 200 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 7: time frame. What does all of. 201 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: This mean for Benjamin Nettaanna, Who will he be able 202 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: to keep a focus on security issues given the other 203 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: controversies that he has faced in his leadership. 204 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's an extremely good question, and to some 205 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 7: extent the landscape has shifted. I mean, you can point 206 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 7: to a couple of things there was that somewhat it 207 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 7: would appear off the cuff remark from Trump yesterday in 208 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 7: the Canesse where he urged the Israeli president to pardon 209 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 7: Bbe in relation to the trials that he is currently 210 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 7: going under. We'll see whether that happens. I mean, it's 211 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 7: not entirely unprecedented, but it would be extremely unusual. That 212 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 7: would remove at least some of the pressure on him, 213 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 7: and then it'd be interesting to see what happens at 214 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 7: the electoral level. I mean, up until probably a couple 215 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 7: of weeks ago, I think it would be very difficult 216 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 7: for Netanyahu to secure a win and a future election, 217 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 7: which has to take place by October. But you do wonder, 218 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 7: with release of the hostages and the seeming piece, at 219 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 7: least for now in Gaza, whether his electoral fortunes might 220 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 7: turn around, and more importantly, whether he would have to 221 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 7: rely on that sort of hard right members of his 222 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 7: coalition to form a government going forward. So I think 223 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 7: you know something we're going to be watching over the 224 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 7: next few months. Very hard to predict which WHALEI go, 225 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 7: but his fortunes seem marginally better than they were until 226 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 7: really quite recently. 227 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: Okay, Stuart Livingston Wallas it heads up our coverage of 228 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: the Middle eastern North Africa. Thank you very much for 229 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: joining us. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Daybreak Europe 230 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: coming up after this now. European companies are striving to 231 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 2: claim a piece of the global AI boom, but they 232 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: remain dependent on American firms like Nvidia and open Ai. 233 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: Across the continent. There are fears that a failure to 234 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,359 Speaker 2: invest heavily in AI locally women losing talent and abandoning 235 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: yet another tech revolution to Silicon Valley. Our AI reporter 236 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: Rachel met has been writing about this, and she joins 237 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: us now for more. Rachel, good to talk to you. 238 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: Did you hear that about these fears from European policymakers 239 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 2: and executives. 240 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are concerned that, as 241 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: we've seen in the past, there have been a case 242 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: after case where in Europe technology revolutions have come and 243 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: they have gone, and the continent and the individual countries 244 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: just have not really been in charge of their destinies 245 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: with these technologies. We've seen that with mobile, with cloud, 246 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: et cetera. And with AI. I think people really want 247 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: to be in charge, especially because they see it as 248 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: a technology that will play into a lot of different 249 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: industries and could have a lot of different impacts. It 250 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: could be it's necessary for things like healthcare, it could 251 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: be used in defense things like that. Especially, you know, 252 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: when you're talking about things that are really sensitive data wise, 253 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: you want to have more control over them as a country. 254 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: Is this a lack of investment that's the source of this, 255 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: or is it just simply that the drivers of innovation 256 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: and AI are just concentrated and solicon Valley. 257 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: I think there's a few different things going on, and 258 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: our reporting seem to indicate that there are a bunch 259 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: of different factors here. You definitely have a lot of 260 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: people that are in Silicon Valley, but there's plenty of 261 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: talent in Europe, in France, in Germany, in the UK, 262 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: in many other countries as well, and I think a 263 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: lot of companies are saying, hey, we want to make 264 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: sure we keep these smart people that we have here. 265 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: They have people going through the universities and they want 266 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: to keep them there. You find ways to keep them there, 267 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: find ways to make it attractive for people to build 268 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: companies there. And there is definitely investment, but it's true 269 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: that it is a fraction of what companies collectively in 270 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: the US are investing, but it's still not an insignificant 271 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: amount of money that they are investing in AI. 272 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: This reporting Rachel will cause a lot of hand ringing 273 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: in Brussels where I am, but really in many parts 274 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: of Europe as well that Europe wants to avoid becoming 275 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: a tech colony. Can Europe catch up in this or 276 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: is it too late already? 277 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of work still to 278 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: be done, is what it seems like we were finding 279 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: in our reporting. There is, as you mentioned, an investment, 280 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: There's still a lot of money that needs to be invested, 281 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: and there's also, I think a lot of thinking that 282 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: needs to be done about what are the goals here 283 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: and what does it mean to have sovereign AI. I 284 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: think one of the first questions we asked each person 285 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: we interviewed was what does sovereign AI mean to you? 286 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: And it's kind of a squishy term that seems to 287 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: have a lot to do with control over the sort 288 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: of start to finish process of AI and of chips 289 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: and of cloud services, and of the models themselves. You 290 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: know where they're operated and who's building them in those 291 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: kinds of things. But you also need to be realistic 292 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: about the fact that you simply can't do everything yourself. Perhaps, 293 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: and I think there's a number of companies that are 294 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: trying to make this work. 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