1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 2: Jamison Hensley has been covering the Ravens for the Mothership 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: since twenty thirteen. And I played a piece of sound 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: after the game and I thought it was a great 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: question and telling answer. Let me play for play for 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: you that question again and what the situation was after 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: losing a tough game? Lamar Jackson's answer or non answer? 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: Do you want to see John me and the coach 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 3: rum here? You asked me about next year? Jamison, I'm 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: so caught up in what just happened tonight, I can't. 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: I can't focus on that right now. I just told you, 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: like he asked me, are you stun? I'm stunn right now. 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 3: I'm still strying the process. 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 4: What's going on? 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 3: I know we lost, but but you know that's. 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: All the man who asked the question, Jamison Hensley joining us, Now, 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: what made you ask the question in that moment? 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 5: Just because Lamar Jackson's the peace of this franchise and 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 5: his opinion carries a lot of weight. And when John 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 5: Harball is in his eighteenth season and you have a 22 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 5: super Bowl favorite team not make the playoffs, there's gonna 23 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 5: be a lot of questions about John's Harball's job security. 24 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 5: We've been asking John Harball about his job security for 25 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 5: two weeks, and I just thought it was time for 26 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson to have his chance to weigh in. And 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 5: I believe if I asked him, hey, do you want 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 5: Derrick Henry to be your running back? Do you want 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 5: Zay Flowers to be a wide receiver? He was saying, oh, yes, 30 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 5: I definitely want to play with those guys. But for 31 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 5: Lamar to basically say, hey, you know what, I'm focusing 32 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 5: on the loss. For him to not give John Harball 33 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 5: go to confidence at that point was pretty telling too. 34 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought so. I was trying to be fair 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: to him because I don't know that separation of game 36 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: ends cooling down period and then you go to the 37 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: press conference. But you got to say yes in that 38 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: moment just to you know, keep reporters like you off 39 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 2: the scent there. But what if the field goal is good? 40 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 5: No, I don't think that changes anything, Okay, I don't. 41 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 5: I think the news was surprising. I think everyone was 42 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 5: bracing for change. I think it was more that everyone 43 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 5: was thinking that it was going to be a change 44 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 5: at the coordinator level and I know up until yesterday 45 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 5: that John Harball was pretty comfortable that he was going 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 5: to be proceeding as the head coach of the Ravens. 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 6: Things changed in that afternoon. 48 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: I've talked to a lot of people in this building 49 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 5: here at the Ravens facility, still have not found a 50 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 5: definitive answer. I don't think there will be one definitive vance. 51 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 5: I think it's a culmination of things. But we're at a 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 5: point now where the Ravens are searching for their first 53 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 5: head coach since two thousand and eight. I mean, Dan, 54 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 5: the last time I covered a coaching search, I think 55 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 5: I had a flip. 56 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: Phone losing the locker room. Yeah, what does that mean? 57 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: Is that a real story. 58 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 5: I've been in that locker room for twenty six years, 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 5: and I was there for the past two weeks. 60 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 6: I did not get that sense. I will say. 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 5: There were players in that locker room that were not 62 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 5: pro John Harball, and I will say after the game, 63 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 5: not only do we ask Mar Jackson, we asked running 64 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 5: back Derek Henry. We asked offensive tackle Rynie Stanley do 65 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 5: you want to see John Harball return. 66 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 6: As head coach? 67 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 5: And both of those guys said, Hey, we love John Harball, 68 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 5: but that's not our decision. So it wasn't like this 69 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 5: huge support for John Harball, but I think there was. 70 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 5: If you look at the last couple of games at 71 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 5: green Bay where it was a must win. 72 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 6: At Pittsburgh was a must win. 73 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 5: If John Harball lost the locker room, they would have 74 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 5: lost those games by a wide margin. They were still 75 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 5: fighting in those and I think that is a sign 76 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 5: that John Harball hadn't lost that locker room. But I 77 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 5: will also say that there's a feeling that Harball, after years, 78 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 5: eighteen years, he had kind of run his course here 79 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 5: and he had Lamar Jackson for nine or eight years, 80 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 5: three playoff wins. Maybe the perception was maybe it was 81 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 5: time to give somebody else a chance because Lamar Jackson's 82 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 5: not going to play forever. Maybe it was another chance 83 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 5: to give somebody else see if they can take Lamar 84 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 5: Jackson to new heights. 85 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: Are what are the Ravens plans? 86 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 6: Now? Yeah, that's my knee jerk reaction. 87 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 5: Once I heard John Harrball was fired, I was. 88 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 6: Like, Okay, who is next? Well, you look at this roster. 89 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 5: I mean they have had a dozen of Pro Bowl players, 90 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 5: They have a two time MVP in Lamar Jackson. They 91 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 5: got to bring somebody with a big name established, you 92 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 5: just can't. But then I also thought back to two 93 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 5: thousand and eight when they introduced John Harball as the 94 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 5: next guy coach. And this is a special teams guy. 95 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 5: I mean he was the second pick to Jason Garrett 96 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 5: after Jason Garrett turned it down and ravens Uner. Steve 97 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 5: Ashatti made the point back then that he made a 98 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 5: career in his business for selecting guys with resumes by 99 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 5: hitting on those guys. And how do you separate yourself 100 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 5: from the masses, This is from Bushati. How do you 101 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 5: separate separate yourself from the masses, Well, you go against 102 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 5: the green. You don't follow the masses, you don't follow 103 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 5: the general thing. So I don'm sure he takes a 104 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 5: coach that has been a head coach before. I think 105 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 5: he takes great pride in selecting John Harball and having 106 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 5: him have a Hall of Fame. 107 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 6: Type career here in Baltimore. 108 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 5: So it wouldn't surprise me if he goes for a 109 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 5: younger coach maybe doesn't have a head coaching experience, because 110 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 5: that has been his history. 111 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: Well there's Clint. Clint Kubianc. There's Chris Shula like, there's 112 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: younger guys that have thing. 113 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 6: Jesse Minter as well, Jesse Mitchrill's are going to with 114 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 6: the Chargers. 115 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 2: So I don't know if they're going offense or defense. 116 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: Could you see them leaning one way or another of 117 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: what type of coach they're bringing in. 118 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 5: I think they're looking for a coach, it doesn't matter 119 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 5: if it's offense or defense. I think they're looking for 120 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 5: some to reinvigorate this franchise. And I think it ain't 121 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 5: kind of grown a little stale around here, and so 122 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 5: I think they need somebody to to really kind of 123 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 5: energize not only that locker room, but Lamar Jackson as well. 124 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 5: And I think that is when whoever takes over for 125 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 5: the Ravens, that is going to be the key. How 126 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 5: do they connect with Lamar Jackson Because not only is 127 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 5: he the face of this franchise, he is the leader 128 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 5: and he as this team goes, as Lamar goes, this 129 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 5: team goes. So I think that is going to be 130 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 5: the priority. It's more not more of offense defense, but 131 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 5: how do they connect with Lamar Jackson? 132 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: Where does John Harball end up? 133 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 6: That is also a very good question. 134 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 5: And as much as I think the Ravens now become 135 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 5: the number one destination for any available coach, John Harball 136 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 5: is the number one candidate out there for a guy 137 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 5: who changed the culture here with the Ravens, who turned 138 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 5: this team from yeah, a you know, good playoff team 139 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 5: under Billock, you know, but they have you know, kind 140 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 5: of gone off the off the tracks a little bit. 141 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 5: He turned them into a perennial super Bowl contender. And 142 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 5: I mean you look at his resume as being and 143 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 5: he's adapted over the years. He'll acknowledge that he is 144 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 5: a players coach. I've talked to players. They say he 145 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 5: has his best when uh, you know, it's the it's 146 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 5: tough times. So I think he would relish the chance 147 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 5: to go to a New York Giants team that has 148 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 5: a lot of good players, a great roster. But I 149 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 5: also think there could be some teams out there that 150 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 5: have had coaches. Yeah, maybe maybe Miami Dolphins where he 151 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 5: could go there as well. 152 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 6: I think John. 153 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 5: Harball being available changes everything. It changes even teams that 154 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 5: have here. It just changes the coaching search immediately. 155 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 6: You know. 156 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: The thing that really kind of surprised me with Lamar's 157 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: non answer when you asked the question was nobody has 158 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: had his back more than John Harbaugh did without doubt, 159 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: found doubt, but it felt like there was a disconnect 160 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: at some point. 161 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I will say, Dan, I mean, like you said, 162 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 5: no one has had the back of Lamar more than 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 5: John Harriball. 164 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 6: I mean you go. 165 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 5: Back to that two thousand and nineteen playoff game, sorry, 166 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 5: twenty eighteen playoff games, Lamar's first playoff game, and he's struggling, 167 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 5: and Joe Flacco is on the sideline and there's fans chanting, 168 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 5: chanton Flacco. Flaco, put this guy back in there your 169 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 5: Super Bowl quidning and he did. He stayed with Lamar, 170 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 5: and I think that was a big turning point, not 171 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 5: only for this franchise, but also the relationship of Lamar 172 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 5: and Harball. And I think they had a good relationship. 173 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 5: I think for John, he was kind of the middle 174 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 5: guy between where there was some friction between Lamar Jackson 175 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 5: and some of. 176 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 6: The coaching staff as well. 177 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 5: And I think he was the middle guy, and I 178 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 5: think he tried to hold it together as well as 179 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 5: he could. But at a certain point, if someone told 180 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 5: me there's a certain shelf life when you're coaching, Lamar 181 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 5: Jackson and this coaching staff reached the end of. 182 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: It if the Steelers had lost. Finish that sentence with 183 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin. 184 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I. 185 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 5: Mean that's a very interesting question because I mean, you 186 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 5: got the two you know, tenured coaches in the NFL, 187 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 5: and and John Harball was even asked about that kind 188 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 5: of Mike Tomlin and and him. Will this game be 189 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 5: a referendum on your kind of both of your your 190 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 5: your coaching, your job securities for both coaches? 191 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: And I thought Tomlin was on the hot seat James, right. 192 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, But I mean Harpball gave a great quote. He 193 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 5: quoted Billy Jean King, the Tennis Hall of Famer saying, 194 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 5: you know what, pressure is a privilege, and it's a 195 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 5: privilege to be on the hot seat because it means 196 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 5: you know what you're you're doing something that you love. 197 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 5: And so I will say this about John Harball that 198 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 5: for a guy that has been around for almost two 199 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 5: decades and was kind of being asked some tough questions 200 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 5: about his job over the last two weeks, he handled 201 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 5: it very very well. And someone told me yesterday after 202 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 5: the news had kind of broken that John Harball is 203 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 5: at peace with this decision and he kind of feels 204 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 5: that it's good to be a reset for nominally for 205 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 5: the franchise for him as well. 206 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: Great stuff, I know you're busy. Thanks for taking time. 207 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 6: Thank you so much. Dan really appreciate it all right. 208 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: Jamison Hensley ESPN Ravens reporter since twenty thirteen, been in 209 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: the building for over a couple of decades. 210 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 6: There. 211 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 212 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 213 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio a app. 214 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 7: Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from The Odd 215 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 7: Couple on Fox Sports Radio. 216 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 8: And in addition to hearing us live week nights from 217 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 8: seven to ten pm Eastern on Fox Sports Radio, we 218 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 8: are excited to announce brand new YouTube channel for the show. 219 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 5: That's right, you can now watch The Odd Couple live 220 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 5: on YouTube every day. 221 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 8: All you gotta do search Odd Couple FSR on YouTube 222 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 8: again YouTube, Just search Odd Couple FSR. 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You're gonna be the offensive coordinator with these openings. 228 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: The best opening as an offensive coordinator is where Atlanta. 229 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 4: So much talent, so many weapons, a very good offensive line. 230 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 4: I'd like to keep my offensive line coach Dwayne Ledford, 231 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 4: who if you talk to anybody in the NFL, has 232 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 4: done a great job down there and is one of 233 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 4: the best offensive offensive line coaches in the NFL. I 234 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 4: understand there's a significant question mark and void at the 235 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 4: quarterback spot with the you know, Michael Pennix inability to 236 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 4: consistently perform and to be on the field. What's gonna 237 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 4: happen with Cousins. It sounds like he'll be a free agent. 238 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 4: But Jean Robinson, Drake London, Kyle Pitts. There's just too 239 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 4: much talent and a good offensive line. 240 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: But being a former quarterback, I would have thought the 241 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: Raiders or the Giants. Now, what would spare you about 242 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: the Raiders? 243 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 4: Ah, that's the worst roster in football. There is such 244 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 4: a lack of talent on the football team. I mean, 245 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 4: the only person that you can confidently say you is 246 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 4: a trademark foundational piece is brock Bauers, and he's outstanding. 247 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 4: Jenti's still a little bit of a question mark. We 248 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: don't really know how good he is, and it's not 249 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 4: all his fault. The offensive line was very bad. I 250 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 4: think they'll end up trading mac crosby just for value, 251 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 4: and so I number one pick all that, there's just 252 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 4: so many. I think it's three years from now before 253 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 4: you really get the necessary pieces to have a chance 254 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 4: to play consistently good offensive football. I'm with you on 255 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 4: the that would be the one that was would be 256 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: very close to me. Neighbors' health, huge Skataboo. I'm a 257 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 4: huge Jackson Dark fan. I was coming out. Everyone knows that. 258 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 4: So Atlanta is not this head and shoulders above the 259 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 4: Giants for me. But I just think because of the 260 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 4: pieces there and the division as. 261 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: Well, best opening right now is where probably the. 262 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 4: Two that it was just talking about, Atlanta and New York, 263 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 4: you know, but they're different, and it's almost like a 264 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 4: one to eighty New York. You have a quarterback, but 265 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 4: you still need other pieces. The offensive line is not 266 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 4: good enough outside of the left tackle, and then you 267 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 4: probably need a second or third pass catching option. Theo 268 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 4: Johnson had some moments, but you got a quarterback. The 269 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 4: problem is it's a general manager who has to win now. 270 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 4: He has to win now, and so it's a very 271 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 4: short window that immediate success has to happen. Where in Atlanta. 272 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 4: I talked about those pieces, you're also as a head 273 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: coach going in the same timeline and as that general manager, 274 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 4: and you're going to I think Atlanta would make sense 275 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 4: to either Keith Kirker. I could see them adding maybe 276 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 4: a second round draft pick at quarterback. But like you're 277 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: in lockstep timeline wise with the general manager. 278 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: And I'm wondering about John Harball and or Kevin Stefanski, 279 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: how much say they would have. Liam Cohen goes to 280 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Jacksonville and says, I don't want that GM. The Giants 281 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: got their GM already in place. How difficult is that 282 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: to sell? Let's say, John Harball, Hey come in and 283 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: we already have our GM. 284 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would imagine it's a challenge. You know that 285 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 4: part of that is do those guys have a previous relationship, 286 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: do they get along? Do they think they can work together? 287 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 4: You know this just because we're friends doesn't mean we 288 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: can work together. You know, what would be the plan? 289 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 4: And I don't know if those are questions. I've never 290 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: been in the situation Dan, where if John Harball wants 291 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 4: the Giants job but wants to make sure that he 292 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 4: protects his back with okay, if this isn't necessarily going 293 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 4: great early on, I don't know even if you address 294 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 4: that in interview questions with the mayor of family. But 295 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 4: if you're the mayor of family in hardball, well what 296 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 4: happens if you guys decide to move on from Joe Shane? 297 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 4: Then do I get to pick the general manager? Do 298 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: we have a list of people we're already planning on 299 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 4: if that becomes the worst case scenario? And so I 300 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 4: do think it presents a challenging situation, Kyle, I remember 301 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: years ago went to San Francisco and then brought on 302 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 4: John Lynch in his own you know, kind of decision. 303 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 4: So you know, I don't sometimes a lot is made 304 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: out of that, and sometimes I don't know if it's 305 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 4: as big a deal as we make it out to be. 306 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: Well, then you got the Brown situation, like how attractive 307 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: is that job if with ownership and you got the 308 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: GM in place? 309 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 4: I don't find it overly attractive. I think Andrew Berry 310 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: has done a nice job. I do. All of us 311 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 4: analysts can't talk out of the both sides of our mouths. 312 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: We have, for it feels four or five years now, 313 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 4: talked about the Brown and said, man, this is such 314 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 4: a good, young, talented roster if they could just figure 315 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 4: out the quarterback position. So we can't say that over 316 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 4: the course of what feels like four or five years. 317 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: But then also not or say, how is Andrew Berry 318 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: still there? 319 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 6: You know? 320 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 4: And I do think he hasn't been perfect, but I 321 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 4: do think he's built a good football team for the 322 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 4: most part. But then you've got the ownership and they 323 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 4: just fired a coach as a two time Coach of 324 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 4: the Year, that assumption on my end, but by all 325 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 4: accounts was forced to have a quarterback signed to a 326 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 4: ridiculous contract. He's when was the last time a coach 327 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 4: won in Cleveland? 328 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 6: You know? 329 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 4: And they just move on from him. And so I 330 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 4: understand that there's two first round picks, but you know, 331 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 4: I think there's other places that are much more desirable. 332 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: But you got Deshaun Watson, you're paying him, was healthy 333 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: enough to practice, So why don't you open up the 334 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: opportunity for him to kind of try to prove himself 335 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: for this one year. 336 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 4: Oh that shit is sailed. I mean, Deshaun. The last 337 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: time Deshaun played good football I think was five years ago, 338 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. And I would tell you, Dan, the 339 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: thing that stood out the last time I think we 340 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 4: saw him playing on the field, which I believe was 341 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 4: maybe twenty twenty three, was he looked like a shell 342 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 4: of himself athletically. I mean, Deshaun's dealt with some injuries now. 343 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 4: I mean he's he's got I think at least two, 344 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 4: if not three ACL tears. He's got the achilles, he 345 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 4: had the shoulder. I mean, I think just physically his 346 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 4: body is just kind of started to break down. I 347 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 4: just don't think athletically he's what he was five six, 348 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 4: seven years ago. 349 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, he stopped running, you know, And you're right, he 350 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: kind of lost that athleticism or that willing willingness to 351 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: take a hit. I brought this up before with Lamar Jackson. 352 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: He went from eleven rushing attempts to a round five. 353 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: And I don't is that a concerted effort on his 354 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 2: part or the offensive coordinator collaborative, but it running quarterbacks. 355 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: Mobile quarterbacks do eventually stop trying to run as many 356 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: times as you know they did when they're younger. Is 357 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: that what happened with Lamar? 358 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, but collaborative it's the smart thing to do. It's 359 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 4: the right thing to do from a coaching perspective of 360 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 4: not asking that player after he's you know, kind of 361 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 4: built up the career that he has and has taken 362 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 4: hits to continue to do that six seven, eight plus 363 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 4: years into your career, specifically in September, October, and November. 364 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 4: Now as you get into December and playoff football, you 365 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 4: probably ramp it up. And I think that's what a 366 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 4: lot of people expect from like the Philadelphia Eagles and 367 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills as they get into these playoff runs. 368 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 4: And then I think it's certainly part of the player 369 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 4: to sit back and go, all right, availability my health. 370 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 4: I got to be at my best when it's needed 371 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 4: the most. It's a long season. That one game that's 372 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 4: been added. People probably think it's only a small thing. 373 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 4: It's a huge deal for these organizations and these quarterbacks. 374 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 4: They expect to be playing nineteen twenty games, maybe twenty one, 375 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 4: and so I do think it's a self preservation reality, 376 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 4: and Lamar was banged up this year to begin with. 377 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 4: We were talking about it consistingly on NFL Live that 378 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: he was getting tackled in one on one situations more 379 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 4: than I had ever seen. And so, yeah, it was 380 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 4: one of the storylines for the Ravens this year. 381 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: Can Josh Allen limit his I mean, he seems consistent, 382 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: He's running seven times a game. 383 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it's situational when Josh has done it. 384 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: You know, it's Josh used to run seven times a game, 385 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 4: and five of them were just to go do it 386 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: and try to run through the whole defense. It seems 387 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 4: a little bit more strategic nowadays for Joshu, where you know, 388 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 4: I'll do it on a third down, I'll do it 389 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 4: in the red zone, I got the conversion, I'll go 390 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 4: out of bounce, or I'll side and not necessarily try 391 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 4: to prove how tough I am. And so it seems 392 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 4: to be a little bit more of a concerted effort 393 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 4: to be situational and strategic. 394 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: Talking to Dan Orlovsky of The Mothership, Adam Schefter reporting 395 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: that the Giants will interview Mike McCarthy, I was just 396 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: mentioning his name. You know ten minutes ago that he's 397 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 2: kind of off the radar, But I'm wondering why he's 398 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: off the radar. His resume is similar to Sean Payton, 399 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin, and Harball. 400 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a good coach obviously, Mike McCarthy's had a 401 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 4: lot of success. I think that there's there's places that 402 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 4: make sense. You know, last year I was like, man, 403 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 4: I would entertain him in Chicago to get Caleb to 404 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 4: play a little bit more on structure. There's a part 405 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: of me that feels that way with Jackson Dart. But 406 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 4: I also think Jackson Dart probably has to live and 407 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: should live in a little bit more of a of 408 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 4: a Josh Allen, Patrick mahomes Lamar Jackson A create a 409 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 4: creative world where that's emphasized. I would also say this, 410 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 4: it has to make the Giants take a little bit 411 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 4: of a step back and go, wait, why did our 412 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 4: offense in Dallas look the way it did stretches in 413 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three and twenty four, and I know there 414 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 4: was no George Pickens obviously, and then it looked like 415 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 4: the way it did under Brian Schottenheimer in twenty twenty five, 416 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: where it was one of the best offenses in football. 417 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 4: That has to be at the forefront of the Giants. 418 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 4: And if this conversation is a real thing between them 419 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 4: and Mike McCarthy. 420 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: Give me the quarterback under the most pressure in the playoffs. 421 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 4: I'm not giving you Josh because Josh is the clear, runaway, 422 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 4: obvious answer. Okay, I'm gonna say it's Trevor Dan I 423 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 4: called Monday Night Football in twenty twenty four. Let's call 424 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 4: it fourteen months ago. On the road. He was playing 425 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 4: up in Buffalo. They got destroyed and he was awful, 426 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 4: and I remember being on the call, not even on 427 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 4: the call in the meetings before him, being like, something 428 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: just seems off with him. He just doesn't have the 429 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 4: confidence right now. And then you watched it play out 430 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 4: in the game and in the booth, I'm like, oh 431 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 4: my gosh, is this the beginning of Trevor Lawrence being 432 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 4: an afterthought in the NFL? And it was just you 433 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 4: could tell he did not have any belief in himself. 434 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: And then they hire Liam and there's a little bit 435 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 4: of friction maybe early on in the season, and there's 436 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 4: the moment against the Bengals, pinning on his chest and 437 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 4: everyone's making a big deal out of it and whatnot. 438 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: And then right now, he's the hottest quarterback in the 439 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 4: NFL going into the playoffs. It's the hottest pass game 440 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 4: in the NFL going into the playoffs. They've got him 441 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 4: thinking less, they've got him reacting more. He thinks he's 442 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 4: the best player in the field every time he steps 443 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 4: on the field. And so you're watching you play out 444 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 4: in real time of like, this is the guy, this 445 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 4: is the guy you were at Clemson, this is the 446 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 4: guy you were drafted, be the number on overall pick 447 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 4: you're playing this weekend. It gets the guy that people 448 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 4: thought you could be like. And so I would say, 449 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 4: just the way he's played this year. You know, guys 450 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 4: going to different groupings and different areas when they go 451 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 4: do what they've done in the regular season in the postseason. 452 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 4: I say, Trevor. 453 00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: Lawrence, the coach under the most pressure. Sehan McDermott, Is 454 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: he coaching for his job? 455 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: I hate answering this question, Yes, but my job is 456 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 4: to be honest. Yes, And I think the world of 457 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: coach McDermott. I think he's a great football coach. But 458 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 4: what we're watching in the NFL right now is these 459 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 4: organizations that have high expectations. If those expectations are not met, 460 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 4: these people move off from ready And I just watched 461 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 4: the Ravens move off from one of the great coaches 462 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 4: in the last two decades. And if Buffalo falls flat 463 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 4: and does not win this weekend, is it outrageous to 464 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 4: think that they decide to move on from Sean McDermott. 465 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 4: Maybe they hire John Harbaugh. Maybe that's the coach that 466 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 4: they choose to go and replace that move But yeah, 467 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 4: I think so because just the expectations are high. 468 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 2: I mentioned this at the top of the hour, that 469 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,120 Speaker 2: Indiana is a great story. Fernando Mendoza is a great story. 470 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: But I got to separate great story from are you 471 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: a great player? And it feels like Fernando Mendoza, who 472 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 2: his Heisman numbers were probably middle of the pack, if 473 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: you know, if he didn't throw interceptions. 474 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 6: But. 475 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 2: How do you how should we evaluate him and Dante 476 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: more since they're the two quarterbacks who are above everybody else, 477 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: but that I don't know if they're just the best 478 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: quarterbacks this year, So I don't know how good they are. 479 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I would say with Fernando, I think the 480 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 4: starting point is can you see it? And can you 481 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 4: throw it? And those boxes are checked. Yes, that's a 482 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 4: clear declaration that he can see it and he can 483 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 4: throw it. Those have to be foundational traits for quarterbacks. 484 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 2: Explain that though, see it, throw it? 485 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. So a lot of times with quarterbacks it's can 486 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 4: you see what the defense is presenting you? He was 487 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 4: on with Pat the other day and he uses the 488 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 4: phrase every play is a puzzle, and I have to 489 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 4: figure out what that puzzle is. I often say every 490 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 4: play the defense presents to you a question, and you 491 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 4: have to know what that answer is. And the question 492 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: is often do you have a problem. What's the front, 493 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 4: what's the coverage, where's the blitz, what's the weakness of 494 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 4: the cover. So you have to see kind of all 495 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 4: of that moving in a very short period of time. 496 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 4: Can you see that? Or are you a guy that 497 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 4: can't because some guys can and some guys can't. And 498 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 4: then Dan, there's levels to it. What happens if you 499 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 4: can see it, but it takes you two tenths of 500 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 4: a second too long. That's an eternity in the NFL. 501 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 4: Rock Perty's one of the greats to do it. I 502 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 4: can see exactly what you're doing. Brady was talking about 503 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 4: it years ago when he was going into the Super Bowl. 504 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 4: I think into the Chiefs he was like, I knew 505 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 4: exactly what they were doing before they knew what they 506 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 4: were doing, you know. And so Fernando can see it. 507 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 4: And I think that's one of the things that's become 508 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 4: clear the more that people have watched him, is like, 509 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: if you allow him to know what you're in, you're dead. 510 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: He's gonna carve you up. So can you see it? 511 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 4: And then can you throw it? I hate the phrase 512 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 4: this guy can make all the things. I don't care. 513 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 4: There's thousands of people on planet Earth that can make 514 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 4: all the throws. You have to make the right throw 515 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 4: at the right time. So that's what I mean by that. 516 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 4: This eighteen yard en route versus Cover three is a 517 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 4: different throw. Versus Cover two is a different throw. Versus 518 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 4: Cover one is a different throw. When I have to 519 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: move in the pocket is a different throw in the 520 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 4: backside linebackers two yards more into the middle field than 521 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 4: he is. And so that's deep, deep football talk. So 522 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 4: I think he can do that. You know, how great 523 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 4: is he when it comes to the plus plays? How 524 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 4: great is he when to come. He hasn't necessarily dealt 525 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 4: with a ton of adversity at Indiana this year, and 526 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 4: then with Dante Moore. You know what, Dante Moore, Dan, 527 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 4: he reminds me of Matt Ryan a little bit. If 528 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 4: it's in rhythm, it's lovely, it's lovely, it's pure, it's rhythmic. 529 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 4: It's like the consistency of that. It's very smooth. When 530 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 4: he has to move, when he has to be off 531 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 4: time just a second, I think that person becomes a 532 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 4: little bit more realistic and average. Matt had this really 533 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 4: sudden athleticism in the pocket that allowed him to play 534 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 4: at a consistent level. Dante's got to develop that, but 535 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 4: he's very pure. 536 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: We were talking about this pre show. If arch Manning 537 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 2: was in this year's draft number one overall. 538 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 4: Not even close, not even close, not even close, you'd 539 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 4: be the runaway number one pick. Arch Manning is kind 540 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 4: of like the throwback nineteen seventy quarterback with modern day 541 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 4: training and nutrition. I'm a huge fan of this guy. 542 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 4: He's physically remarkably gifted. He's intelligent when it comes to 543 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 4: the football, understanding of speed and space, all that. I 544 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 4: think he's wired the right way. He's when you watch 545 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 4: him on a sideline, he's ultra competitive. I think he's 546 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 4: weathered a lot. He's going into the NFL, or when 547 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 4: he does, he's gonna have weathered so many different storms. 548 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 4: And we know that's a huge deal, so many different 549 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 4: finger pointings and adversity and hype and falling short and 550 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 4: getting punched and getting backed up. You got to have 551 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 4: that skill, you have to have that trait to be 552 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 4: elite outside of the physical things. And so yeah, he 553 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 4: would be number one Runaway. 554 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: Well run Away, Okay, I thought he would be a 555 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 2: top ten pick. But I you know, when we had 556 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 2: this conversation before I was told that, you know, NFL 557 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: scouts said no, he would be the number one. He 558 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: would be the number one pick Runaway, Dan Runaway didn't 559 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: show that he wasn't that company, and you just said 560 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: he'd be the number one pick. 561 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 4: And add in the context of this, the one to 562 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 4: two pick are Las Vegas and New York. I mean 563 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 4: these are huge markets, you know, obviously organizations when it 564 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 4: comes to like at least visibility, and so yeah, number one. 565 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: Run Away and then he'd have Brady as the owner 566 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: in Vegas, and. 567 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 4: It the pit would already be made. 568 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 2: Great to talk to you as always. Thank you, Thank you, 569 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: sir Dan Orlovsky. The mothership Fox Sports Radio has the 570 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: best sports talk lineup in the nation. 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Why. 579 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 9: Well, we were at. 580 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 7: The game, Dan covering the game Pittsburgh and Baltimore, and 581 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 7: leading up to it, all we're hearing is whichever coaches 582 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 7: loses the game is in trouble. And I'm thinking, here's 583 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 7: the guy who's been there nineties years, and now the 584 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 7: guy's been there eighteen years. They've been to Super Bowls, 585 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 7: they've been in the playoffs. Why are you in trouble? Well, 586 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 7: I interviewed Mike Tomlin Saturday. I'm in Art Rooney's office 587 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 7: and I sit for thirty minutes with Art Rooney and 588 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 7: I come to the conclusion Mike Tomlin is not in trouble. 589 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 7: I just i'd sense it from talking to Art Well. 590 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 7: Baltimore loses the game, their kicker misses the kick. Otherwise 591 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 7: they'd be hosting a home playoff game. And John Harbor 592 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 7: gets fired. And you look at the stats and what 593 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 7: they've done, winning twelve games, thirteen games in the last 594 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 7: three years, going to the playoffs. I just don't understand it. 595 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 7: I get it, it's happened. It happened to me. We won, 596 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 7: We went to the playoffs three times, and I got fired. 597 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 7: That's life. But I don't know what these owners are thinking. 598 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 7: Sometimes hopefully they get a better coach than John Harbaugh. 599 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 9: I'm not sure they will. 600 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 2: Well that's just did it feels like the fans won't change. 601 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 2: But then who are you bringing in who's better than 602 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin. Are better than John Harball, But do you 603 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: sometimes need a change just for change sake? Because it's 604 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: been the same thing eighteen years, nineteen years. 605 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 9: I don't believe in that. I think if you're an owner, 606 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 9: and maybe. 607 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 7: That's what happened, maybe Steve Asaudi says, I look at this, 608 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 7: it's not going in the direction I want. And I've 609 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 7: got a change, and that's his prerogative. That's good. But 610 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 7: hopefully you're not changing as a reaction to the fans 611 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 7: or our fan base is upset or our locker room's 612 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,239 Speaker 7: upset because we lost this game. Hopefully it is a 613 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 7: well thought out decision, and sometimes it works out great. 614 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 7: The Bucks fired me, they went to the super Bowl 615 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 7: the next year. I went to the Super Bowl in 616 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 7: India and Appolis, So sometimes it works out. 617 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 2: Well, why were you fired? 618 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 9: I was fired because they didn't think. 619 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 7: They didn't like our offensive style, and they didn't think 620 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 7: I was a guy who could take it to the 621 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 7: next level. 622 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 9: When I got there, we'd had thirteen straight losing seasons. 623 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 7: We win, We go to the playoffs four years out 624 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 7: of six, where you know, two minutes from a super Bowl. 625 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 9: But they didn't think I could take it to the 626 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 9: next level. And that's fine. 627 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 7: That's their prerogative, John Gruden, And that's what I will 628 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 7: say this about Baltimore. If you're Steve Bashatta, you better 629 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 7: get a guy who's ready to take this roster that's 630 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 7: set up to win and win now, don't train and 631 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 7: coach for five years from now and all of that. 632 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 7: You better get somebody who can do it for you 633 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 7: right now? 634 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 2: What's the right fit for John Harbaugh? 635 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 7: You know we were talking about that on our NBC podcast. 636 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 7: I look at Atlanta right now, and you've got a 637 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 7: couple of quarterbacks there. You've got, I think, the best 638 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 7: running back in football. You drafted some young defensive players 639 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 7: that an't that defense up. It's not a great division, 640 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 7: and you won. You beat all the people in your 641 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 7: division the last couple of weeks. You came on in December. 642 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 7: I think that could be a very very attractive spot. 643 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 2: Could you pass on the Giants if you're John Harbaugh? 644 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 9: I don't know about John. 645 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 7: I would pass on the Giants because I don't want 646 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 7: that New York drama. I can do a lot of 647 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 7: things to coach a lot of other places. Besides have 648 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 7: to have those press conferences. I've seen Aaron Glenn, I've 649 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 7: seen Brian Dabole and those Monday press conferences in New York. 650 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 9: I don't know if I would want that. 651 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: Okay, so Atlanta you like a lot, Yes, what other position? 652 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 9: There's a couple of teams there. You know, you have 653 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 9: to look at the Giants. 654 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 7: You got a young quarterback there who looks like the 655 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 7: quarterback of the future. The Titans look like they've drafted 656 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 7: their quarterback in the future. It's not a great division either. 657 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 7: I would be worried about, you know, what's really going 658 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 7: on in the front office in Nashville and are they 659 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 7: going to give me a chance to succeed. You had 660 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 7: a pretty good coach in Mike Rabel and you let 661 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 7: him go. I think he's a pretty good coach, so 662 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 7: that that might worry me a little bit. But you 663 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 7: know any place. When I went to Tampa, they told 664 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 7: me not to go to Tampa. Oh, it's a death 665 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 7: knell for coaches. 666 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 9: Don't go. 667 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 7: So you've just got to get comfortable with the organization there, 668 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 7: with the people that are going to be your bosses 669 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 7: and make it work. 670 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 2: And the Brown situation would make me nervous that you've 671 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 2: kept your GM. I don't trust the owner, you don't 672 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: have a quarterback. 673 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 9: That's that's a pretty dicey threesome there. Yeah. 674 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 7: You And although we're getting that way with a lot 675 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 7: of these franchises. 676 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 9: Then you look at the Raiders. 677 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 7: I saw a thing that they're paying all these coaches, 678 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 7: say eighty million dollars. They've had different coach every year, 679 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 7: what's the game plan? When are you going to say 680 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 7: this is my guy and I'm going to stick with it. 681 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 7: That's it was so refreshing to be an art Runey's 682 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 7: office and I told him about how his grandfather impacted 683 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 7: me and Chuck Nole and you know he's sitting there 684 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 7: and they've had three coaches in sixty years, and you know, 685 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 7: this is how we do it. We pick a guy, 686 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 7: we support him, we stand but behind them, and it 687 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 7: just doesn't seem like we're getting that now. 688 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 2: I brought this up many times that if I was 689 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: taking a job, I want to know how involved my 690 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 2: owner is going to be, because they built their money 691 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 2: to buy this team, but they didn't build it by 692 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: being a football guy. And sometimes you come into those 693 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 2: situations and look, I know Jerry Jones played college football 694 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 2: at a high leveled Arkansas, but most of these owners 695 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: didn't play. They're not football guys. And being able to 696 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 2: delegate is really important, and I think it's hard for 697 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: these billionaires to do that. 698 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 7: Yeah, And the other thing is you have to have 699 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 7: a sense of what the owner is looking for. I 700 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 7: can remember talking to Dan Rooney and he told me, 701 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 7: you know, his blueprint. We're in Pittsburgh, it's cold weather, 702 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 7: it's blue collar. So I want a defensive coach. That's 703 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 7: how we're going to build it. I want a young 704 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 7: guy because I don't want to do this every four 705 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 7: or five years. And I want a teacher and a communicator, 706 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 7: because that's how I learned. So that was his blueprint. 707 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 7: Give me a young, good, communicating defensive coach. So nineteen 708 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 7: sixty nine he hires Chuck Nole as a thirty year 709 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 7: old something that nobody they'd never heard of. And then 710 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 7: twenty three years later he hires Bill Cower, and then 711 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 7: sixteen years after that he hires Mike Tomlin. All this 712 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 7: he knew what he was looking for. I talked to 713 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 7: owners now and then some they asked me, well, who's 714 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 7: good out there? 715 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 9: What are you looking for? I don't know. 716 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 7: Just tell me who's good. No, that's not it. What 717 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 7: do you want? And I remember my conversation with Jim Mercy. Hey, 718 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 7: we've got a young offense. It's in place. I want 719 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 7: you to come here, get our defense going. I also 720 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 7: like the way you connect with the fans and the 721 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 7: fan base. We haven't been here that long. We need 722 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 7: to connect with Indianapolis. That's what I'm looking for. In 723 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 7: fifteen minutes, he had sold me on what we're going 724 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 7: to do because I believe what he wanted that I 725 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 7: could deliver that for him. It's more than just money. 726 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 7: It's more than opportunity. It's more than Hey, you're a 727 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 7: good play caller. 728 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 6: What do you want talking to? 729 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 2: Tony Dungee Hall of Famer? And you can watch Chargers 730 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 2: Patriots in Foxboro Sunday night on NBC and PECO. They 731 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 2: get their festivity started. Football Night America's seven thirty Eastern. 732 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: Which quarterback's under the most pressure this weekend? 733 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 9: Wow? 734 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 7: Josh Allen for one, I think you can look at 735 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 7: it and say, Kansas City is not in This is 736 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 7: your year to go to the playoffs. You're gonna be 737 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 7: on the road, but we expect big things. You've been 738 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 7: superman in the past. We need superman again. Justin Herbert 739 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 7: in our game, He's played great, He's played lights out. 740 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 7: They don't have a very good offensive line in front 741 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 7: of him. You're gonna have to go on the road 742 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 7: and try to win a game. Those two guys in 743 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 7: the AFC for sure. On the NFC side of it, 744 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 7: Matthew Stafford. You went to Carolina a month ago. We 745 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 7: thought you had the best team in football. You turn 746 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 7: the ball over three times. If you don't turn the 747 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 7: ball over, everybody expects you to win this game. Go 748 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 7: into your playoff mode and produce. 749 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 2: Feels like Sam Darnold's going to be under pressure when 750 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 2: when the Seahawks play, because we keep waiting. Yeah, we're 751 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 2: waiting to see. Is this a different Sam Darnold. I 752 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 2: think Trevor Lawrence being at home playing at a high level, 753 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 2: and we've bought into Trevor Lawrence and the Jags feels 754 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 2: like there's a lot of pressure there as well. What 755 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 2: about most pressure for a coach in the playoffs? 756 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 7: Oh, I think right now Mike Tomlin for sure. I mean, 757 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 7: and not from his ownership, but from his fan base. Oh, 758 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 7: we're tired of this nine. 759 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 2: But can you imagine if they lose, they're they're underdogs 760 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 2: at home, Tony. 761 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 7: Yes, and if they lose, it'll be Ah, it's the 762 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 7: same narrative. We're not very good. Forget about last week, 763 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 7: forget about this last month. You lost another playoff game. 764 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 7: And I know his players don't want that. They want 765 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 7: to win for him. I sense that Uh, the other 766 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 7: most of these other teams, you've got new coaches, new faces, 767 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 7: everybody's just excited and ramped up. 768 00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 9: Maybe Matt Lafleur. 769 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 7: Uh, you've been in the playoffs a few times and 770 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 7: you've you've had some upsets earlier on. 771 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 9: But now where are we. Let's let's let's get this 772 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,439 Speaker 9: thing going. 773 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, Happy New Year. Great to 774 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 2: see you again. 775 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 9: Thank you, buddy. I always good to talk to you. 776 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 2: Tony Dungee