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Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. We'll welcome for the first time to stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. I'm Bend and I'm Matt,

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Speaker 1: and today we're going to start the podcast with a

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Okay. So this is a question that

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm excited. Okay. How many serial killers do

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're in the hibernation phase after they've done them

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Speaker 1: of murder of some sort um. How many do you

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Speaker 1: think there are? I would estimate worldwide? Um, you know what,

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Speaker 1: twenty okay, and that's you know, that number sounds scary

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Speaker 1: at first, but there three hundred something million people here

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Speaker 1: it'll be like the B T K killer Dennis Radar,

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Speaker 1: different day. So as we begin met, I have to ask, um,

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Speaker 1: for pseudo religious reason maybe Yeah, that happens quite often UM.

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Speaker 1: Or because they feel like they're gaining something from it,

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Speaker 1: how stuff works. If you want to read that how

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Speaker 1: that's a great primer for serial killers. No one thing

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Speaker 1: For instance, the iceman of famous mob Hitman killed quite

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Speaker 1: serial killer cults, conspiracy Matt, what what do you want

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Speaker 1: um some conspiracy theories about serial killers, especially active serial killers.

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