Speaker 1: Gabby, you are in my house, welcome, thank you, and
Speaker 1: you're saying you're doing a little staycation in sag Harbor. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, so I'm gonna give you all the spots.
Speaker 1: I watched your shows to get prepared. I watched certain
Speaker 1: Bachelor seasons, but not obviously all of them. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I went in deep you.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I mean, I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: I did not realize how many seasons there actually were,
Speaker 1: and I was instantly drawn to you. So we'll get
Speaker 1: into that. But you do not look as tall on television. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I think it's like a thing because you're always being
Speaker 2: shown from the waist up, so nobody actually knows how
Speaker 2: tall you are. When you pack for the Bachelor, they're like,
Speaker 2: don't worry about your shoes, They'll never see your feet.
Speaker 2: So it's like, really, don't really see your legs? Wait, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's because you.
Speaker 1: To me, if someone said describe our like, she's this
Speaker 1: cute little pixie though she's like peteet and you walk
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, this glamazon walk to
Speaker 1: my house. How tall are you?
Speaker 2: I'm five eight and I'm constantly in heels. I'm never
Speaker 2: in a flash and you're all legs.
Speaker 1: Yes, so you just look here. You have a very
Speaker 1: striking presence. It's funny.
Speaker 2: How thank you.
Speaker 1: It's very different. And you're blonde.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm newly blonde. Well I was a blonde before
Speaker 2: a bachelor, but Quarantine I wanted to try something different.
Speaker 2: So now that I'm going back blonde, it's like a
Speaker 2: controversy online. People love to talk about it. But this
Speaker 2: is like my natural state, a block, a box blonde.
Speaker 1: Wait, why do people love to talk Why is it controversial?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like you're trying to be something you're not.
Speaker 2: I think a little bit because it was like after
Speaker 2: I moved to La, so they're like, don't be like
Speaker 2: a basic La bitch. And it's like, first of all,
Speaker 2: I am what I am, and I'm as basic as
Speaker 2: they come. It's not La. It's deep in my soul.
Speaker 2: It's like different. But and I think, yeah, they're just
Speaker 2: so people really get attached to you and like what
Speaker 2: you look like. So I think they're just really attached
Speaker 2: to my brown hair.
Speaker 1: Well, it comes through you, don't That's what the box
Speaker 1: blonde is. I mean, there's a lot of roots. It
Speaker 1: looks very like it's hard to keep this up.
Speaker 2: It's not. It's easier because this is like my natural
Speaker 2: is lighter than when I was dark, so when my
Speaker 2: hair would grow out when I was dark. First of all,
Speaker 2: thank you for giving me a chance to talk about this.
Speaker 1: Really, this is why we're here.
Speaker 2: Obviously thought a lot about it. I have a lot
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 1: I want to hear it because I do beauty views
Speaker 1: and I'm fascinating because I color my hair at home
Speaker 1: and recently I went to get a professionally done and
Speaker 1: she said, you have like seven colors of hair in
Speaker 1: your hair because I didn't know. I just each little
Speaker 1: chunk going down to the roots. It's a different it's
Speaker 1: like a patchwork quilt. Yes, okay, I've been there.
Speaker 2: Every time my hairdresser sees me, they're like, you're a
Speaker 2: different color. So God bless them. I have two really
Speaker 2: great people, one in Colorado, one in La Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: So any I'm like a chestnut they call it. It's
Speaker 2: like a dark blonde, kind of lighter brown.
Speaker 1: It's like a chestnut Philly like it's a little a
Speaker 1: little red too, chest.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and it pulls red easy. So when I
Speaker 2: was really dark, one it would go. It would go
Speaker 2: red so easy. It would always fade like really warm, okay,
Speaker 2: and my roots would come in and I'd look gray
Speaker 2: because my hair is so much lighter than the brown.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was lighter than you, but like not much.
Speaker 2: I was really dark. But nobody actually knew what my
Speaker 2: hair color was because it would literally change during the season.
Speaker 2: So this doesn't fade as much for me. And like,
Speaker 2: I like to have a root so it can just
Speaker 2: grow out on its own.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that on in Bachelor Nation it's controversial
Speaker 1: to change your hair color, because in Housewives Nation, you
Speaker 1: could have a different hair color every year, every season Nation.
Speaker 2: That's what I want. I'm like, you guys have to
Speaker 2: get used to it. It's a part of me. I know,
Speaker 2: like people are still learning a lot about me. They
Speaker 2: wouldn't let me dye my hair while we were filming.
Speaker 2: I got highlights before I was the Bachelorette, and they
Speaker 2: sent in like a team last second to take me
Speaker 2: back dark. I was like crying on the phone, screaming
Speaker 2: at a producer. I'm like, I like, I should have
Speaker 2: free will.
Speaker 1: So you're here to say that you identify as a
Speaker 1: multi colored hair yes, you want you want me. You
Speaker 1: don't want to be put in a box.
Speaker 2: No, I want the room to have like whatever kind
Speaker 2: of hair I want, I'll always change it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's what we're here. Nice to meet you,
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming, and we'll talk you okay. All right,
Speaker 1: So you're in the Hamptons and you're here with your girlfriend. Yes,
Speaker 1: So do you both say this is my girlfriend, this
Speaker 1: is my life partner?
Speaker 2: What do you call Robbie girlfriend?
Speaker 1: Okay, so, Robbie, how long have you known her?
Speaker 2: Like? Five months? I think almost maybe four and a half.
Speaker 2: I round up because I feel like lesbian years are
Speaker 2: like dog years, like it multiplies. We spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time together, and August is a long month, and
Speaker 2: July so you have like a couple extra days.
Speaker 1: Like, well, summer is different you're talking about like it's
Speaker 1: also a summer romance folded in plus two women who
Speaker 1: one might think love maybe more intensely and more deeply.
Speaker 1: So that's why dog ears. Ok yeah, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: and we're going to get into that. Does it fascinate
Speaker 1: you that people are so fascinated with your girlfriend or
Speaker 1: your life partner? Or it makes perfect sense because of
Speaker 1: the shows that you were on.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I think it does make sense. Bachelor Nation
Speaker 2: is really loyal, and I'm like so grateful for them.
Speaker 2: I feel like they've really stuck to me. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which isn't the case for everybody. I know. Sometimes they
Speaker 2: have really strong opinions, and that's okay. Like, I do
Speaker 2: understand that there is a piece of going on reality
Speaker 2: TV that you're TV in general. If you want to
Speaker 2: live your life like with the platform, you're opening yourself
Speaker 2: up to like some kind of criticism and scrutiny. So
Speaker 2: I know people are going to have an opinion and
Speaker 2: that's okay. But I do feel like for the most part,
Speaker 2: they've like had my back and they're treating Robbie like
Speaker 2: she's one of us. About the best feeling ever.
Speaker 1: I bet that I don't know her, will meet her.
Speaker 1: But the last thing that I imagine that she would
Speaker 1: have thought in her life that should be part of
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, the last she said she she won the Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Now that's how she says it. She's like, I won
Speaker 2: the Bachelor. We went to AFR and like it was
Speaker 2: live or whatever after the final roads for this last season,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I didn't think she would want to go.
Speaker 2: I'm like, do you want to go? She's like, duh,
Speaker 2: Like I won the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like in Candyland, when you go directly to
Speaker 1: get the piece of candy, you don't have to.
Speaker 2: Go through all the little pieces literally, right, exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she has a shortcut. She's like so proud. She's like,
Speaker 2: look at this. I'm like, oh my god, that's amazingly.
Speaker 1: All right, so you are more than who you're dating,
Speaker 1: So we will get into your dating.
Speaker 2: But okay, it's my favorite topic right now too.
Speaker 1: I would imagine, yeah, I would imagine, which, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so we're going to get into that. But so how
Speaker 1: did you what made you go on to the Bachelor?
Speaker 2: I was single for years. I had just moved out
Speaker 2: of Denver. I was travel nursing during COVID. So I
Speaker 2: was a Denver Broncos cheerleader for five years and I
Speaker 2: decided to kind of like I used an excuse almost
Speaker 2: to like fade out. Because it was the year of COVID,
Speaker 2: we really didn't know what the season was going to
Speaker 2: hold for us. Normally, it's really grueling, the schedule, like
Speaker 2: you have no time off, you can't really travel because
Speaker 2: you always have to be there for practices and games.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, ugh, I want to take this time,
Speaker 2: like we don't know what our schedule is going to
Speaker 2: look like, I'm gonna travel, nurse, do something different. Wow.
Speaker 2: And I ended up in LA and officially retired from
Speaker 2: NFL cheerleading No. Four one K that's okay, retirement plan.
Speaker 2: That's how it was.
Speaker 1: Five years.
Speaker 2: Five years, that's a bit.
Speaker 1: That's a long career in Denver Bronco Land.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. Yeah, that's funny, some of the best
Speaker 2: years of my life. But then I moved to LA.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay. I was nominated a couple years prior
Speaker 2: by some friends and I had dated somebody kind of
Speaker 2: like a heart throb i'd say in Bachelor Nation. So
Speaker 2: like literally on my application it was like dated his
Speaker 2: name's Dean. Dated Dean, like Denver Bronco's cheerleader, and they
Speaker 2: like called me the next day.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a good resume.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you come across other Denver Broncos cheerleaders in this process?
Speaker 1: I would feel like they would be the perfect prototype
Speaker 1: for Bachelor Nation.
Speaker 2: Not a lot of cheerleaders, a lot of Disney Princesses
Speaker 2: really weird. Yeah, that work at the park.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so funny because I've always said that a
Speaker 1: great reality show Disney would never allow it and the
Speaker 1: princess would never be able to do it. But a
Speaker 1: great reality show would be showing Disney Princesses after dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what really goes on after dark? Oh?
Speaker 2: I bet there's a lot funds very strict and do
Speaker 2: you like live in tight quarters? It's ancestual.
Speaker 1: Yes, it would be an make I'm sure Disney's gonna
Speaker 1: love that. And I can't wait to get a lawsuit.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for us to get a letter from
Speaker 1: Disney who also owns ABC who the Mountain?
Speaker 2: She was sorry?
Speaker 1: Okay, So then you were a traveling nurse, which I
Speaker 1: didn't even know was a thing, And what do you
Speaker 1: go with an agency and they place you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a third party agency. You kind of
Speaker 2: just go in. Initially, it was like founded, I think
Speaker 2: to for when staff nurses went on maternity leave, and
Speaker 2: so you would need somebody to come in for three
Speaker 2: months while they were on maternity leave and then could
Speaker 2: come back. So it's kind of like a relief position.
Speaker 2: Now it's a little more stable. It's a way for
Speaker 2: nurses to make more money basically because you don't make
Speaker 2: any money without like pre dim or kind of working
Speaker 2: these like as.
Speaker 1: So you can make good money as a traveling nurse.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And where do you stay? You have to figure that
Speaker 1: out yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like there's bnb's yeah, because you get a
Speaker 2: stipend for a living that's like non tax So nurses
Speaker 2: travel nurses are savvy with their finances.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like flight attendants are really savvy
Speaker 1: with their finances too. You're used to being efficient and organized. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 2: Just don't want to flag myself. I RS. I hope
Speaker 2: you're not listening. I'm not a nurse anymore.
Speaker 1: No, but even if you are, they're very savvy.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting bim that isn't discussed enough.
Speaker 1: Nurses are savvy and because.
Speaker 2: You just don't get paid anything much like teachers. Like
Speaker 2: it's like I started, I was.
Speaker 1: Thinking that too. Hustle.
Speaker 2: You got to figure out hustle exactly. I sorry, when
Speaker 2: I was twenty two, I took what was given to me.
Speaker 2: I stayed in the town that I was in. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm making no money. How do I make money. I'm
Speaker 2: like into my thirties and I'm still working paycheck to paycheck. Interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the teachers who have all these Amazon
Speaker 1: wish lists, and I feel like nurses should do it too,
Speaker 1: with all the things that they want to have to
Speaker 1: be a better nurse, like right for your patients, you know,
Speaker 1: having things that you give out or maybe you know,
Speaker 1: entertainment supplies for people wile they're sick. Because I like that,
Speaker 1: I'm buying a lot of Amazon supplies for teachers, and
Speaker 1: I'm loving the creative things that they're putting on their
Speaker 1: wish lists. Yeah, that I'm buying for these kids for
Speaker 1: their classrooms. Yeah, it's interesting. I like. Okay, so wow,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't That's amazing. Okay, So then you get on
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, and now let's get let's get seen. When
Speaker 1: you get on the Bachelor, what percentage? Honestly, are you
Speaker 1: thinking I'm going to really find a partner? What percentage?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is gonna be great and me
Speaker 1: famous and young, and this is going to be such
Speaker 1: a cool experience. You were on season nineteen, so you're well,
Speaker 1: the system is well in so I'm saying being a
Speaker 1: housewife season one was very different from being one season
Speaker 1: fifteen because you've watched the show. You have a preconceived
Speaker 1: notion you're figuring out how to quote unquote play the game.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I haven't watched the show. I really didn't
Speaker 2: watch Bachelor Bachelorette before. I think people use it even
Speaker 2: now as like a like I love it because it's
Speaker 2: really like a community event. I feel like it's an
Speaker 2: excuse to get together with like either your sister and
Speaker 2: your mom every Monday, or like your friends, and you're
Speaker 2: constantly talking over the show. Like my one of my
Speaker 2: friends who we watched I think Matt James's season with
Speaker 2: I think it was during COVID. There was like four
Speaker 2: of us that would get together every Monday because there's
Speaker 2: like nothing else to do, and we'd constantly talk over
Speaker 2: her and she'd be like, can you stop, Like you
Speaker 2: didn't watch before you were on? No, okay, And I
Speaker 2: think it was I think it did me right, not
Speaker 2: because I wasn't a fan. I honestly, I I was
Speaker 2: just so busy working and cheering. It was like two
Speaker 2: full time jobs. Like I'm just now in my thirties
Speaker 2: getting into TV. I'm like, where's my childhood?
Speaker 1: Well no, yeah, that's so true. Yeah, were you But
Speaker 1: were you doing it because you thought it would be
Speaker 1: a great experience or you were really feeling like you
Speaker 1: were hitting a wall meeting people? Because I would think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that you would do it as a girl in your thirties,
Speaker 1: It's gonna have a great ride, a great.
Speaker 2: Experience, totally. And like I think, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: can't say I really have an analytical brain. I think
Speaker 2: I have a really strong intuition. So I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm not going to break things down and try and
Speaker 2: super plan. I'm like, this seems right, it's fitting right
Speaker 2: in my life. I'm living in a month to month
Speaker 2: B and B. I've been single for years. I'm not
Speaker 2: having any luck. I'm in LA. Casting was in LA.
Speaker 2: I got to like meet everyone in person, which I
Speaker 2: think really helped.
Speaker 1: And you're very social obviously you've worked in a social environment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I love new experiences, Like I tried
Speaker 2: out for the Denver Broncos, Like three times I tried
Speaker 2: out for the Nuggets, Like whoever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like use to like just trying for
Speaker 2: different things. So I'm like okay to me, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like another opportunity another like dance team, adventure. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I will say, like I'm a little bit of a
Speaker 2: hopeless romantic, so like I don't think it has to
Speaker 2: be one or the other, Like, oh, you're going on
Speaker 2: for a new opportunity or to find love. It's like,
Speaker 2: I think both can be true.
Speaker 1: What if I meet someone amazing, It's exactly okay, right,
Speaker 1: Also being a chill, you were a cheerleader in high school.
Speaker 1: Assume if you got on to be a professional child
Speaker 1: must have been serious.
Speaker 2: I was on the dance team. They call us cheerleaders
Speaker 2: because we have pomp poms, but we're all like professional dancers.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this. I was second
Speaker 2: placed on Dancing with the Stars, Bethany.
Speaker 1: I do know this, and people talk about that as
Speaker 1: part of this whole Yeah, okay, so you were second.
Speaker 1: I was second on The Apprentice. A good star, my god, Hi,
Speaker 1: five runners runner.
Speaker 2: We should do a whole show. We should, we need
Speaker 2: and could be on our show.
Speaker 1: So but I'm saying now looking back, as we'll get
Speaker 1: into your relationship, but it's just you always like to
Speaker 1: surround yourself with girls. You've always been a girl's girl.
Speaker 2: Yes, always, I mean, yeah, those are a little too much.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: And did you dabble?
Speaker 1: Have you ever? Did you dabble in high school or college?
Speaker 1: Did you have because that's sort of like a quote
Speaker 1: unquote fling or a phase in many college girls experiences
Speaker 1: that they'll wink at their friends and talk back about.
Speaker 1: But did you have that experience? I never had that experience.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I'm not saying there's anything right or wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I've never had an experience with a
Speaker 1: girl in a college did you.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Honestly no, not really like I thought, as far
Speaker 2: as I knew, I was as straight as they came. Really, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know any different. I also
Speaker 2: grew up like I wouldn't even say conservative because politics
Speaker 2: wasn't talked about in my family really good or bad.
Speaker 2: I mean my dad was supporting the whole family and
Speaker 2: like a lower rank in the Air Force, So it's
Speaker 2: like we didn't I don't think politics didn't come up
Speaker 2: because we really didn't have like the afflu to like
Speaker 2: let it into our life, like I just making ends meet, right, exactly,
Speaker 2: Our day to day was like spaghettios, Like we're living
Speaker 2: on based housing, Like where's like I have. I don't
Speaker 2: think there's anything wrong with that. You know, look at
Speaker 2: me now, like whatever I could I do? Like I
Speaker 2: you know, I have some beef with public school.
Speaker 1: Like you feel like you didn't have the luxury to
Speaker 1: start debating politics, even though.
Speaker 2: It's exactly you right, especially coming from like a conservative
Speaker 2: family that was in the military, and military bases a
Speaker 2: lot of time are in Middle America, so we spent
Speaker 2: a lot of the time not surrounded by liberal cities,
Speaker 2: which you think about and then you think about, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: their allies to gay people and fighting for their rights
Speaker 2: and stuff. But I was just like surrounded by straight people.
Speaker 2: I didn't know any different.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. Yeah, it's funny because I
Speaker 1: did grow up in a liberal well, I lived in
Speaker 1: like thirteen places, but I went to high school in
Speaker 1: a liberal place. And even still, and I'm older than you,
Speaker 1: there was no one that we knew was gay in
Speaker 1: our high It wasn't discussed. So that's what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yes, And also I think like gay men are still
Speaker 2: more like have a little more representation. I don't think
Speaker 2: a lot, but it was like way more familiar to
Speaker 2: see for me to see a gay man, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, like, you know, we're best friends,
Speaker 2: we can talk about the same thing like this. But
Speaker 2: I had never, especially in my younger years, I have
Speaker 2: never really seen like a gay woman.
Speaker 1: You make a great point. You make a great point,
Speaker 1: because it's true. It was more like, it seems like
Speaker 1: that's something marketed. Is like a phase for a girl,
Speaker 1: like a college drunk phase. You hooked up with a girl,
Speaker 1: but not like a god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to impress the boys. It's like there's an
Speaker 2: ulterior motive.
Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't feel valued. It feels more like anecdotal.
Speaker 1: That makes that's a great That's a totally great point. So,
Speaker 1: so yeah, you were straight. They didn't think it was
Speaker 1: like saying, I'm a giraffe. I'm not a the dog.
Speaker 2: This is what I am.
Speaker 1: So you didn't question it. That makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense too. And did you remember the movie Chasing Amy. No,
Speaker 1: you've heard about it, and that was, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you have to see it. It was like a very It
Speaker 1: was one of the first movies that talked about a
Speaker 1: woman who's living in a traditional life. She was actually
Speaker 1: in a relationship with John Hamm. It was her boyfriend,
Speaker 1: and then she becomes a lesbian and it's quite disruptive,
Speaker 1: but it certainly wasn't twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: It's a great qush to watch Chasing Me. It's week
Speaker 2: love lesbian culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, So you go on Bachelor and you're
Speaker 1: going in to have an experience and there's a bunch
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna buy for this guy and what
Speaker 1: and I saw I watched you really stand up for
Speaker 1: yourself during this process, Like I watched you come in
Speaker 1: sort of as the funny girl who is a little
Speaker 1: bit like me, Bethany, meaning you always get into trouble
Speaker 1: for saying something. Yeah, you're not filtered, you're unedited. I
Speaker 1: related to that a lot, that you're just he said
Speaker 1: you were the funniest person on the planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, he said, she's the funniest person on the planet
Speaker 1: while you guys were like tying shoes for a hiker something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then you go through this process and he manipulates
Speaker 1: you in a way like you felt like he wasn't
Speaker 1: this is this is Clayton. He wasn't entirely above board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the process, and when I watched the finale, you
Speaker 1: really sort of were poised and held yourself really just
Speaker 1: you were just very very mature and polished, and there
Speaker 1: was just something very dignified about you and you but
Speaker 1: you did not let you did not suffer fools. You
Speaker 1: let him know it was not acceptable the way you'd
Speaker 1: been treated. So what was that?
Speaker 2: Thank you? I think just like ugh, I feel like
Speaker 2: you take these experiences and you really think about it
Speaker 2: and maybe like it's like I don't want all this
Speaker 2: to turn into like the patriarchy and like I'm a
Speaker 2: feminist and blah blah blah. But there's some conversation around it,
Speaker 2: like sue me and I think, like watching I don't
Speaker 2: think Clayton he's malicious. I don't think he's like nefarious.
Speaker 2: I've always said that. I think maybe he hasn't had
Speaker 2: Being a woman comes with struggle. We know that as women.
Speaker 2: It's like something also that is implicit. You don't even
Speaker 2: really know you're struggling, I think until later totally, and
Speaker 2: it's like that's like the hardest part is that you're
Speaker 2: almost like nobody says like it's okay, Like it's almost
Speaker 2: like you're being like gasolt into thinking everything is normal.
Speaker 2: I was a nurse for eight years. A female dominated field.
Speaker 2: We work under doctors. We're supposed to be subordinates. But
Speaker 2: it's like you're not even technically my boss. You have
Speaker 2: a different discipline, Our goals are different. You're here to
Speaker 2: like treat the disease and I'm here to treat the
Speaker 2: whole person and to take things into like a holistic account.
Speaker 2: Like we have two different goals, right, But I am
Speaker 2: treated like I have to take your orders and I
Speaker 2: don't really have a voice. Is it because I'm a
Speaker 2: nurse or is it because I'm a woman or both.
Speaker 1: It's a dynamic that was set up like a caveman teachers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a minor already female dominated field.
Speaker 1: Hi, Hi, Robbie, how are you good?
Speaker 2: Where are you gonna sit?
Speaker 1: I don't know, baby, you want to sit there? And
Speaker 1: then we'll bring her in after we get into the
Speaker 1: bath in.
Speaker 2: The guest house. I don't know. It's okay.
Speaker 1: Well, do you feel like we are talking about some
Speaker 1: of this stuff?
Speaker 2: No, it's just like easier for me to talk about
Speaker 2: her if she's not here. And I think babe babe
Speaker 2: in a good way.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's let babe go to get a drink.
Speaker 2: She doesn't like. She doesn't let me watch all her
Speaker 2: comedy either, So I know, babe, but come on, it's
Speaker 2: the first one.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, bo, Babe should go get a drink. Bite.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Babe, babe.
Speaker 2: We're in love. It's really hard for people to see.
Speaker 2: I got tay babe into.
Speaker 1: The woods, the woods, the babe in the woods, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna get her bring a back.
Speaker 2: Somebody likes me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't imagine why we're gonna get into when
Speaker 1: she comes out, Why you would even think of having
Speaker 1: me do it, because it becomes very controversial these days
Speaker 1: to be on my podcast. I did not realize, but
Speaker 1: we'll be. I'm being canceled, I'm renewed at the same time.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, canceled and renew the same day. Okay. So all right,
Speaker 1: So oh so you said, oh, yes, it's amazing what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, there are scenes are just dynamics that
Speaker 1: and set in stone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then naturally you think about it, so like whatever,
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm kind of dating this man. With other women.
Speaker 2: I understood what I got into, but it almost felt
Speaker 2: like new money. It was like a man who had
Speaker 2: just had power for the first time.
Speaker 1: Oh, you didn't like that he had all the power,
Speaker 1: and you've walked into a dynamic where he had all
Speaker 1: the power. He got to just choose and discard.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, because I think he took advantage of it
Speaker 2: and he didn't really like, really think about or regard
Speaker 2: our feelings. And I can like that was always my
Speaker 2: thought going in. I'm like, honestly, just be honest, just
Speaker 2: be open, like he like compared all of us at
Speaker 2: the same point, it's like you can't compare like different
Speaker 2: women or different lovers. They're different. You have a better
Speaker 2: connection with them or not. But it's like you can't
Speaker 2: say you like love one more, this one's better.
Speaker 1: Like you're saying, you can still be a good person
Speaker 1: even within this strange experiment. You can still if I
Speaker 1: let tell you what I need, which is for you
Speaker 1: to just always be upfront and honest with me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it may not end up being me, but I need you. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you're dating sometimes, Like, yeah, I've dated.
Speaker 1: I remember dating a guy who was a player. He
Speaker 1: had never really had a girlfriend, and we really connected
Speaker 1: and you knew that he was like sleeping around every weekend.
Speaker 1: He just had that reputation and it's what was going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there became a point where I said, this needs
Speaker 1: to be evolving or I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: But you don't get to just pretend that because I
Speaker 1: know that about you, that that's enough. Like you have
Speaker 1: to tell me like you want to progress and move forward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And just because you say, oh, she knew that I
Speaker 1: was that type of person, that's not enough. Like you
Speaker 1: have to hold yourself accountable, yeah, and be responsible for
Speaker 1: the other person's feelings also, right, A lot of people
Speaker 1: don't do that. A lot of oh they know who
Speaker 1: I am? Like me say, you know, it's like, is
Speaker 1: that how you treat the people you love?
Speaker 2: Like you're also the other party is allowed to have
Speaker 2: expectations and needs to And I'm allowed to tell you
Speaker 2: what I need. If we're if we're not being able
Speaker 2: to give the same thing, we're not a match. And
Speaker 2: that's a yes, But don't make me feel like I'm
Speaker 2: crazy for bringing it up. I feel like a lot
Speaker 2: of our dating culture has like kind of gas lit
Speaker 2: women into thinking that we're not allowed to ask for
Speaker 2: what we want and we have to settle for these
Speaker 2: guys who it's like, okay for them to sleep around.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, they're just men. I have to wait
Speaker 2: until he's ready to not sleeping around. Would I ever
Speaker 2: do that to somebody?
Speaker 1: No, Well, that was how the show was set up
Speaker 1: with men in the power position. And obviously then they
Speaker 1: did the bachelors, which.
Speaker 2: That's different because it's a bubble and I will understand,
Speaker 2: Like me going in, I'm like, I know you're sleeping
Speaker 2: with other girls. There's like this meme of me with
Speaker 2: BedHead comparing me to the Bradstall, like coming in the
Speaker 2: next day because they, like, you know, had this conversation
Speaker 2: with us and the other girls like what were you
Speaker 2: doing last night? It's like everyone knows what we're doing. Like,
Speaker 2: don't make me say it. It's like a part of
Speaker 2: the gig. It's basically in my contract, it's not but
Speaker 2: like whatever I'm in on. But in real life, in
Speaker 2: real life, it doesn't translate.
Speaker 1: Well no, but in real life too, you could say
Speaker 1: to your girlfriends, I'm okay with it, it's fine. We're
Speaker 1: just dating and then all of a sudden it takes
Speaker 1: you over.
Speaker 2: If I genuinely felt like that, that's.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. Not what I'm saying is on a show,
Speaker 1: you could get all the rules and you could have
Speaker 1: a rule even with the guy. Yeah, but when you
Speaker 1: get into real feelings, you can't. You can't play stupid
Speaker 1: and smart at the same time. If you have feelings,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lack of irrationality. I mean, sorry,
Speaker 1: there'll be an element of irrationality because you feel something
Speaker 1: right right right. You could say it's cool, but it
Speaker 1: may not feel cool. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be cool. I'm not cool in a relationship. I
Speaker 1: just want to be myself and I need, like I
Speaker 1: want to be seen. Like the last thing I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do is try and play it cool, Like I don't
Speaker 1: think that helps anybody, Okay, And so I feel like
Speaker 1: he just kind of took advantage of his power because
Speaker 1: it was kind of led to believe the ending. You know,
Speaker 1: he went back for the third girl, which it seems
Speaker 1: like he knew all along. So then it's like he's
Speaker 1: feel like a loser, a fool.
Speaker 2: So it's like why'd you sleep with me? And I
Speaker 2: can say things because I have been on the other side.
Speaker 2: I was the bachelorette, Yes, and I chose not to
Speaker 2: sleep with everybody if I wasn't like still deciding I
Speaker 2: only slept with one person, not saying it's the way
Speaker 2: to go, because like I think you can genuinely be conflicted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you can. And people can sleep with more
Speaker 1: than one person. It's their choice. But you're saying you
Speaker 1: found a way for yourself to have integrity in that process. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I found it very compelling that you would go to
Speaker 1: the end with a girl and become really good friends
Speaker 1: with her, like you were competing with her. How did
Speaker 1: you manage to be competing with her? Or was it
Speaker 1: really that you were like commiserating because you were going
Speaker 1: through the same exact experience.
Speaker 2: I think it is a lot of like compartmentalizing. They
Speaker 2: kind of say, like it is a new scenario, so
Speaker 2: you can't really you can't compare it to any interesting
Speaker 2: which I think is a lot of reason kind of
Speaker 2: like why it does work in that world because it's honestly,
Speaker 2: it's not real life. So you're starting with a blank
Speaker 2: slick Yes, so I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, even if you've watched it, it's going to be
Speaker 1: anything that happens.
Speaker 2: Of course. I just like always came in with an
Speaker 2: open mind. I'm like, honestly, at this point, I surrender
Speaker 2: if this is going to be my man. He wasn't
Speaker 2: like the complete opposite of who I'm dating now, like
Speaker 2: a little Jewish woman. I was dating all these big
Speaker 2: white frien' you could never give me what she can
Speaker 2: give me, right, But I was just like, Okay, if
Speaker 2: it's meant to be, it'll be. I'm always like, I'm
Speaker 2: never going to choose a guy or or a partner
Speaker 2: or a lover over a girl over a friend. Like
Speaker 2: I do think there's this kind of innate like we've
Speaker 2: been through a lot of shit as women. We have
Speaker 2: to lift each other up, and plus it takes two
Speaker 2: in a relationship. It's like they're choosing each other. It's
Speaker 2: not like somebody is. It's not personal to me, right, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not like anyone's like hurting me on purpose. It's
Speaker 2: like they're a better match. Okay, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Right now, you just wanted there to be some ethics
Speaker 1: and integrity because you were putting yourself out there. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you feel that you were really in love with him.
Speaker 2: I thought I was, because again, like you are in
Speaker 2: the bubble. Bubble, yes, and it really and like I
Speaker 2: buy in. I'm a good player, I'm a team player.
Speaker 2: Like I'm in on it. I think you can't come
Speaker 2: out alive. You can't go in doubting everything.
Speaker 1: You can't play. No, you can't be half pregnant. No,
Speaker 1: you're in all the way exactly.
Speaker 2: I get pregnant. Yeah, anything I do.
Speaker 1: No. But by the way, that's why I see myself
Speaker 1: in you a little bit. Because in the Housewives, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing, and they always ask it's such a
Speaker 1: weird question, is it real? It's impossible to what's happening
Speaker 1: is real, but the circumstances the bubble is not real.
Speaker 1: So is it real that I'm talking to these specific
Speaker 1: women about this thing and fighting, someone throws a leg
Speaker 1: on a dance floor, some flips a table. Those things
Speaker 1: really happen because those are extraordinary circumstances. So it's a
Speaker 1: bullshit question.
Speaker 2: Is it real?
Speaker 1: What you were feeling is real, what was happening is real,
Speaker 1: but you were living in fantasy island.
Speaker 2: Right, and it's all cold. But like this is also
Speaker 2: kind of like a job, Like for you, it was
Speaker 2: like your job, Like I'm here. I know I have
Speaker 2: not even a role to play, but my job is.
Speaker 1: To be here and be involved and be present. And
Speaker 1: what they need you to do and do it you
Speaker 1: need to exactly.
Speaker 2: They could tell it. Yeah, and I hear it, and
Speaker 2: I'm here. I'm a hard worker.
Speaker 1: No, you're on the field putting your heart. That's exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: It's a work ethic thing. I fully get it. I
Speaker 1: really really that's very interesting. And then so you have
Speaker 1: your show with Rachel you guys, are you still close?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, and you go on this strange but fun girlfriend
Speaker 1: journey and you meet this guy Eric, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: that the whole world thought this it's yeah, didn't It
Speaker 1: didn't track and the engagement field felt awkward. It felt
Speaker 1: weird just watching it felt like, Okay, we're on the
Speaker 1: show and we're supposed to be doing this now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the clocks, you know, run out. So what was
Speaker 1: that all like? And what were you together saying to
Speaker 1: each other about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, and I think there is it was obviously
Speaker 2: there's a lot you like, don't see. So I do
Speaker 2: feel like I was really connected with him and like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this could be it for me. We had great banter
Speaker 2: on the show. It seems like seemingly he kind of
Speaker 2: like had his shit together. He really chose me, which
Speaker 2: was nice. Like I know people are like, hey, I
Speaker 2: just want to feel chosen, but it's like in my
Speaker 2: dating like life, I never really had someone besides Robbie
Speaker 2: like stand up and really choose me, like, yes, that's
Speaker 2: the one I want to be with, like screen, and.
Speaker 1: He really did. He really loved you.
Speaker 2: And he did. Yeah, he kept coming back for more,
Speaker 2: like even throughout everything, and I'm like, okay, I can
Speaker 2: tell he wants to be with me. I think it
Speaker 2: was it was like all the other storylines that kind
Speaker 2: of confused things. It was like Jason the other he
Speaker 2: was like very quie, very afraid of cameras, so we
Speaker 2: just couldn't get anywhere because he literally thought he was
Speaker 2: in a simulation. Like I can't like meet you as
Speaker 2: a person if you're so afraid of everything else that's
Speaker 2: going on. That's why you have to buy in. If
Speaker 2: you're agreen to like be on this kind of television,
Speaker 2: do this kind kind of work, you have to like
Speaker 2: be Okay, I'm going to do it. I trust myself
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be myself. But it's like our
Speaker 2: relationship couldn't really progress.
Speaker 1: Well. Also, I think that Listen, I'm older than you
Speaker 1: and I've been in a lot many relationships, and I
Speaker 1: do think that as you get older, your priorities change.
Speaker 1: And I've had the thought of my life, well, I
Speaker 1: love this person so much because of how much they
Speaker 1: love me. That's one way. And some people say, fall
Speaker 1: in love with someone who loves you more than you
Speaker 1: love them. Some people marry for money. Some people marry
Speaker 1: because it's a good fit, because it's an arranged marriage,
Speaker 1: because it's a religion. Like there doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: like one puzzle piece that fits, which young girls like
Speaker 1: to think that there does. But if you, you know,
Speaker 1: plucked you and moved you to Malaysia right now, you
Speaker 1: might meet someone else. It could even be a man.
Speaker 1: Like it's not it's the ocean. It's living and breathing
Speaker 1: and moving.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's all fluid, yeah, just like water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like sexuality and yeah, like choices and partners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bringing it back, both bringing it back.
Speaker 1: Okay, And why do people say that dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars control to a breakup.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's literally not true. For like
Speaker 2: Eric and I lived in la at the same time.
Speaker 2: We were in the same city. Some people have like
Speaker 2: done Dancing with the Stars in different cities and like
Speaker 2: have made it through, right, I think. And it's an
Speaker 2: excuse because a lot of times it's right after filming
Speaker 2: The Bachelor, So it's like because of the timing, they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: it must be dancing. It's like not that we were
Speaker 2: in the real world and now we're just figuring out
Speaker 2: we're not a match because we're not in the bubble
Speaker 2: and I'm figuring more about this person and like learning
Speaker 2: I'm not compatible, Like would have done that with or
Speaker 2: without Dancing with the Stars?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you know what I did want to
Speaker 1: ask you just as the first person I've ever interviewed
Speaker 1: in this experience. I met Tyler Cameron, but I haven't
Speaker 1: interviewed him yet. But you said you grew up very
Speaker 1: middle class and chef boy or d yeah, spaghettios. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So how is a show like that? It is the bubble,
Speaker 1: but how is that show? How does that show reflect
Speaker 1: real life in any way? Because if Pete you could
Speaker 1: fall in love with a frog if you go on
Speaker 1: this amazing gorgeous helicopter ride, yeah, into an exotic Polynesian
Speaker 1: island to rose pedals at the dinner table, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you have to go back to Spaghettio's and like,
Speaker 1: there's no discussion of therapy. There's not really a lot
Speaker 1: of discussion of religion, there's not a lot of discussion
Speaker 1: of politics. So yeah, the bubble is even more bubbly
Speaker 1: than just saying the bubble of a reality show.
Speaker 2: That's very true.
Speaker 1: When a relationship. Money is one of the biggest things
Speaker 1: that people discuss in relationships and they argue over Yeah,
Speaker 1: so how does that even get discussed? Like this is
Speaker 1: not real life.
Speaker 2: Like you try and discuss it, like I will say,
Speaker 2: you don't know. You're not discussing it when you're there.
Speaker 2: It's like you try and like ask the questions and
Speaker 2: you're try and really get to know the person. I
Speaker 2: think like if somebody is like a different class than you,
Speaker 2: like very like super duper rich, which I'd probably be like, hey, right,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like y even more. But it's like
Speaker 2: my girlfriend, like money is really she grew up really poor.
Speaker 2: So the first one. The first question she asked me
Speaker 2: is like, do you come from money. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't think so, because she needs somebody to relate to,
Speaker 2: especially being in the industry that way in LA like
Speaker 2: you don't know where you're coming from kind of how
Speaker 2: level your head is.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying to you. As much as religion
Speaker 1: is something that you might want someone that is, you know,
Speaker 1: going to raise your kids Catholic or sure that someone
Speaker 1: not coming from money and someone coming from money is
Speaker 1: a very different experience and you can resent it or
Speaker 1: the person can't relate to your struggles and being on
Speaker 1: that show, you're sitting next to someone eating caviar. And
Speaker 1: then also that person's not gonna be able to give
Speaker 1: you cavier when you get home. Theoretically, unless there's some prints,
Speaker 1: you know, it's very unrealistic and they don't talk about things.
Speaker 1: There should be a modern version where they do talk
Speaker 1: about therapy, and.
Speaker 2: Which I will say, we do have resources now, we
Speaker 2: have therapists on site and like afterwards they give you
Speaker 2: lots of access, So I will say that therapy was
Speaker 2: actually heavily involved kind of in like organized relationship.
Speaker 1: And you mean for the couple.
Speaker 2: They do both they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I meant. I meant for the couple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can seek it out if you want it
Speaker 2: for the couple time.
Speaker 1: And like they don't talk about prenups like a realistic thing.
Speaker 1: It's fantasyland where prenups are an important part of life.
Speaker 2: Literally, we should talk about prenups. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. It's the point. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: do some shockgun wedding at my house. I have a
Speaker 1: beautiful conto, the duck on the front. You can get
Speaker 1: married the dunfel marry. Oh my god, we're having a wedding.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, But I will say you do your best
Speaker 2: to have those conversations and just try and get a
Speaker 2: grasp for the whole person, which I am a really
Speaker 2: good judge of character, but also because of the bubble,
Speaker 2: I trust myself and to bring you can pretty much
Speaker 2: like read me like a book, like my heart's on
Speaker 2: my sleeve. The more you talk to me, of course,
Speaker 2: the more you find out. I think I can read
Speaker 2: other people too, but it depends on how much you
Speaker 2: give me. And a lot of people aren't bringing the
Speaker 2: same amount to the table. I felt like nobody was
Speaker 2: willing to like really kind of air out their shit
Speaker 2: as much as I was. So then going into the
Speaker 2: real world, it's like it didn't matter how many questions
Speaker 2: I ask you, I would go on a lemon and say,
Speaker 2: you lied to me, right, you know, just to get
Speaker 2: through yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes yes, And that's not the way
Speaker 1: to start. So you were okay, So we'll get into
Speaker 1: your relationship. But I want to I want to attribute
Speaker 1: it to the show for one second. Do you feel
Speaker 1: that in not being with a man now, that you're
Speaker 1: somehow letting some of your viewers down, or that they
Speaker 1: invested in this journey and that you went on a
Speaker 1: different path than they thought you were on.
Speaker 2: They might feel like that, but they do think they
Speaker 2: do or they don't. I don't really know, honestly, because
Speaker 2: it's like we know our position, like we have so
Speaker 2: many people that have an opinion just by like literally
Speaker 2: having an Instagram that it's like I can't really buy
Speaker 2: into that at all. I don't really have the space
Speaker 2: like this. It's almost like hard to say. I think
Speaker 2: love is the great intangible It's hard to really explain.
Speaker 2: It's hard to like accurately articulately, articulately convey. But when
Speaker 2: I'm talking about my relationship, it's literally not so much
Speaker 2: that like I'm in a relationship with a woman. It's
Speaker 2: like I'm in a relationship in love for one of the.
Speaker 1: First times human being.
Speaker 2: It feels just the same. Yeah, it's like I'm not
Speaker 2: even seeing her gender, Like I honestly do think real
Speaker 2: love transcends gender to a point, and I truly feel
Speaker 2: like that. So it's like if my fans, I do think,
Speaker 2: my followers and people who wanted my journey like I
Speaker 2: do think now they just want to see me happy.
Speaker 2: They fell in love with me, not just because I
Speaker 2: was dating, but because of like my whole personality. They
Speaker 2: hadn't really seen someone like that in the Bachelor before.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I'm gonna throw you for one more loop.
Speaker 1: On the journey. You're saying, you're not acting like this
Speaker 1: was a secret you were keeping, because it's not right.
Speaker 1: It was saying, this is a development in my life
Speaker 1: that we're going on.
Speaker 2: And if you wanted to be happy for me for
Speaker 2: any relationship, it would be now because this is the
Speaker 2: happiest I've ever I feel like I'm a prophet. I
Speaker 2: have to spread the good word about what it means
Speaker 2: to be in a good relationship. I think I've finally
Speaker 2: been taught about what love is for the for the
Speaker 2: first time, and I feel like I've been like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just like told wrong my whole life.
Speaker 1: Well, so it could so Robbie.
Speaker 2: Or not even just gender, but just that I.
Speaker 1: That you fell in love with. It could have been
Speaker 1: a man, it could have been Okay, I that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You fell in love with the person. It's
Speaker 1: just to be in a box. It's not a label,
Speaker 1: and that's difficult for America to understand. So I think
Speaker 1: you might be a prophet because it's good to explain
Speaker 1: to people that.
Speaker 2: Which not like thinking I'm like above first of all, Okay,
Speaker 2: I have to always like lesbians think they're better than everybody,
Speaker 2: and I'm jeff yeah, pretentious, I'm drinking the kool aid.
Speaker 2: So like, I'm sorry, I'm here, but like, we don't know,
Speaker 2: we'll find out. I think it's the better option. Obviously
Speaker 2: I'm here, right, but like, yeah, when you're ready, come
Speaker 2: to me. Okay, it seems like you're doing fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: You're like the leader of a cult and you want
Speaker 1: me able to come to you be in your lesbian Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, so all right, So how do you
Speaker 1: meet Robbie? So you obviously are a person who's attracted
Speaker 1: to humor, which is by the way, not lost on me,
Speaker 1: because you met a person who is a comedian. Has
Speaker 1: the guy the Clayton said about you that you were
Speaker 1: the funniest person on the planet. So I'm a person
Speaker 1: that could never be with someone who isn't funny, who
Speaker 1: doesn't appreciate humor, like and it's a requirement. I'm a
Speaker 1: comedy snob, Like I don't understand people. I'm funny.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have to see Robbie. Okay, literally
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 1: So you So how did you guys meet?
Speaker 2: We met outside of the bars, So I was like,
Speaker 2: like I went on tour with Dancing with the Stars
Speaker 2: and whatever. That was an experience, yes, which is like
Speaker 2: an experience in itself. You're literally like in and out
Speaker 2: of like Ymca, He's like living on a tour bus.
Speaker 2: There's twelve of us. Honestly, I felt like it did
Speaker 2: something to my psyche that is like a deep state
Speaker 2: meditation because I was just I couldn't even focus on
Speaker 2: like day to day things because you're just trying to
Speaker 2: stay alive. You're like waking up in a new place
Speaker 2: every day, you're sleeping and literally a moving vehicle. I
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna die.
Speaker 1: I went on a tour, and I went on a
Speaker 1: tour with a new baby, and it sounded so cool before.
Speaker 2: You get it sounds so.
Speaker 1: So dehydrated, it's so exhausted, so dirty, yes, so dirty
Speaker 1: and wired at the same time, I know exactly.
Speaker 2: But you can't get any sleep. You're always on with
Speaker 2: like the lights and like performing live. It was crazy, right,
Speaker 2: So maybe I blame tour. I don't know. If we
Speaker 2: want someone to blame, let's blame tour. Okay. Anyways, we
Speaker 2: were watching Perfect Match, the whatever dating show on Netflix,
Speaker 2: ok and they had like a queer storyline with two girls.
Speaker 2: It seemed very genuine, like as genuine as it could be.
Speaker 2: But it was the first time I saw like girls
Speaker 2: who I kind of identified with. Like, first of all,
Speaker 2: they're on a reality dating show, right, wear kind of
Speaker 2: the same clothes. Like it's like what, like you know whatever,
Speaker 2: So I'm like, Okay, this seems genuine, like I feel like, like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, we stereotype people, and it's like the only
Speaker 2: one people talked about lesbians. It was only girls who
Speaker 2: like carried themselves a little more masculine. Yeah exactly, which
Speaker 2: that's like.
Speaker 1: The quote unquote guy in the relationship, which is such bullshit.
Speaker 2: And also a label, yes exactly, like not really gender norms,
Speaker 2: and that's like a whole different discussion. I feel that's
Speaker 2: like too much to get into. But anyways, so it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is clearly sparking something to me. I also have
Speaker 2: one of my best friends is queer. She's in a
Speaker 2: relationship with a woman, so it's like we hang out,
Speaker 2: I'd like ask our questions. Apparently now everyone tells me
Speaker 2: her name is Bridget. She's gonna love that. She's getting
Speaker 2: the shout out high Bridget and die. Okay, yeah, but
Speaker 2: like after I met her, I told everyone else that
Speaker 2: she made me question my sexuality, but I literally don't remember.
Speaker 2: I like blocked it out of my head right, And
Speaker 2: now when I come back to my friends, we're like,
Speaker 2: I remember when you met Bridget, and you like I'm
Speaker 2: questioning my sexuality. I'm like, don't tell her that she's
Speaker 2: gonna get such a big head. I don't want to
Speaker 2: piss off her girlfriend either, right, Like we're all such
Speaker 2: good friends. But yeah, she was kind of like my
Speaker 2: Shirpa in a way. So I told her when I
Speaker 2: moved back to LA she took me to all these
Speaker 2: queer events like two.
Speaker 1: I guess I wouldn't think it's interesting you said I
Speaker 1: was questioning my sexuality because people question their faith. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people question their careers, different things in their lives. And
Speaker 1: so you actually like had a moment where you were
Speaker 1: questioning your sexuality, which is not something that most people
Speaker 1: even indulgent, not that it's an indulgence that they even
Speaker 1: allow themselves to think because of where they the way
Speaker 1: that they grew up, or where they live or what
Speaker 1: their lives are. That's an interesting thing.
Speaker 2: Sorry, And I was I was thirty at the time.
Speaker 2: In bridget is like very much. She's like so cool.
Speaker 2: She lives in the East side like of LA if
Speaker 2: anyone knows anything about that, like grew up in Seattle.
Speaker 2: She's just herself. She's not really like one way like
Speaker 2: super masculine, super feminine. She's just herself. She's just you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yes, And it's like okay, exactly,
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's that's everyone's goal. I feel
Speaker 2: like that's Robbie. I feel like that's me. Like we're
Speaker 2: just like very comfortable being who we are. So I
Speaker 2: feel like that kind of opened up my mind too,
Speaker 2: Like she wasn't like a stereotype, right. So we met
Speaker 2: outside of a bar. Bridget's girlfriend is a fan of
Speaker 2: Robbie's comedy. I had seen her on podcasts and like
Speaker 2: knew that she did stand up and they know I'm
Speaker 2: attracted to humor, so they Kyle Bridget's girlfriend, oh my god,
Speaker 2: she's also going to die. As we were walking out,
Speaker 2: Kyle wingmanned Robbie went up to Robbie. You have to
Speaker 2: let her tell the story too, because like it's like whatever,
Speaker 2: really funny when she tells it. But and Robbie was
Speaker 2: kind of like questioning like Kyle's intentions. She's like, have
Speaker 2: I met you before?
Speaker 1: Do you think there was an intention of a setup?
Speaker 1: But not at all.
Speaker 2: Kyle was wanted to introduce Robbie to me, so that
Speaker 2: was a setup, but it was like happenstance.
Speaker 1: We just happened because she thought she'd be in to you.
Speaker 1: But she would she have thought that you would be
Speaker 1: into her. It wasn't even that well thought out. Yeah no, no,
Speaker 1: he'll think she's hot. Yes, nobody knew.
Speaker 2: They were like I don't even know if this is
Speaker 2: Gabby's tight, but like we're gonna just like see. I
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of it is like, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, so your friends were really thinking there was a
Speaker 1: chance that you might want to yeah, oh yeah, venture out.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: At this point, I was like trying to like date girls.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to explore my sexuality. I had
Speaker 2: been on a date with a woman I was on Riya. Oh,
Speaker 2: so I was like, I want to give it a shot,
Speaker 2: and like I liked being on a date with it.
Speaker 1: But this was quiet. No one knew in Bachelor Nation
Speaker 1: or the public or just your friends.
Speaker 2: I didn't put on Instagram, just like I wouldn't put
Speaker 2: anything like our first date really, but we would were
Speaker 2: in public and queer events like they there's like line
Speaker 2: dancing every Thursday, and people have seen me there. I
Speaker 2: was like getting DMS and stuff.
Speaker 1: So but there was a time when you be right,
Speaker 1: but you weren't. There was a time when you came out.
Speaker 1: No one really knew what you were doing. You're just
Speaker 1: hanging out with different types of people.
Speaker 2: It was like I was out in my personal life,
Speaker 2: like all my family knew, all my good friends knew
Speaker 2: r I were pushing in public, but it's like no
Speaker 2: one out at us. Luckily, which was another reason why
Speaker 2: we had to do it okaycause it was like, you know,
Speaker 2: we really obviously took to each other.
Speaker 1: So you meet outside and what yes, okay.
Speaker 2: So Robbie had no idea what this what Kyle like
Speaker 2: wanted to do with her. She's like, do I know you?
Speaker 2: What do you want with me? And then she like
Speaker 2: looked over at me. She's like, who's that girl? And
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, you might recognize her like from TV.
Speaker 2: And Robbie was like, she kind of looks familiar. I
Speaker 2: don't know. And Kyle was like, she was the bachelorette.
Speaker 2: And then Robbie came right over. She's like, what's this
Speaker 2: The Bachelorette's gay? What's going on? Like had us all
Speaker 2: eating out of the palm of her hand, just like
Speaker 2: kind of you know, witting us over with her charisma
Speaker 2: and her humor, was asking me all these like she
Speaker 2: was like, how old are you I'm like, I'm thirty two.
Speaker 2: She's like, what's going on? My friends were like speaking
Speaker 2: for me because I was just like kind of stunned.
Speaker 2: I'm like, right, we were all like kind of drunk whatever,
Speaker 2: and my friends were like she's exploring. Robbie's like how
Speaker 2: old are you? And I was like, I'm thirty two,
Speaker 2: and she was like, okay, you're gay, Like nobody explores
Speaker 2: this late in life. Really yeah, She's like, okay, if
Speaker 2: you're like making this big of moves like you're gay,
Speaker 2: and then ask.
Speaker 1: Her do you agree with that? Do you think that
Speaker 1: nobody explores us late in life?
Speaker 2: Ummm, I don't know. No. I think it was probably
Speaker 2: just her like very like sly, but she like obviously
Speaker 2: just wanted to date me, right, so she was like
Speaker 2: waiting me over, like you know, throwing it all on
Speaker 2: me at one and she's like I'm not gonna lie, Gabby,
Speaker 2: like I want your number. That's how he left things,
Speaker 2: and then she like literally rushed home. She keeps her planner,
Speaker 2: a physical planner because she's like a boomer and like
Speaker 2: gets time zones confused, right, So she ran home.
Speaker 1: I wonder if she ever had a file effects the best.
Speaker 1: I love a physical planner, by the way, oh my god.
Speaker 2: She probably loves it. Yeah, and then we went on
Speaker 2: our first date and the rest is history.
Speaker 1: So you've been inseparable since your vers day pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get into the brass tacks. Now, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a monogamous relationship, yes, and you've discussed that.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my god right away, Like lesbians are so monogamous.
Speaker 2: Monogamy is for lesbians.
Speaker 1: Monogamy is for lesbians. You is more jealous.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty jealous. She I think she could be too.
Speaker 2: We're both learning about each other, but we're both open
Speaker 2: about it. Like it's like we don't hide our jealousy.
Speaker 1: Now, how are you controlling the excitement of you obviously
Speaker 1: opening Pandora's box for the first time, being madly in
Speaker 1: love the pheromones, the oxytope, like everything's going and making
Speaker 1: sure that you don't go. Sometimes when something goes so fast,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that, it crashes and burns,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to sustain that. We've all been through that,
Speaker 1: where like you can't believe you can't breathe, you know,
Speaker 1: you have goosebumps, and yeah, it's like you can't. You
Speaker 1: don't want to be without the person. You think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like that forever, but real life gets in
Speaker 1: the way and careers and summer, So how do you
Speaker 1: guys manage that and what life will bring and navigating
Speaker 1: just what this all is. This is gotta be a
Speaker 1: lot for you to process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is. And I think we're both very
Speaker 2: level headed when it comes to it. And like in
Speaker 2: the beginning, I was, I've you know, I've been through
Speaker 2: it all, like it's like I was in therapy because
Speaker 2: I think I still had a lot of shame surrounding it.
Speaker 2: So I'm like I had to work through that before
Speaker 2: I could really like go in this relationship guns blazing.
Speaker 2: And then we were spending a lot of time together
Speaker 2: like lesbians do and new love, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is just convenient or I'm really
Speaker 2: into it, And then things kind of started to flow
Speaker 2: down and we're open about it, you know, like we
Speaker 2: are community. They always say communication, but it's like our
Speaker 2: communication is really we work on it every day, and
Speaker 2: we really treat our relationship like a bubble, like we
Speaker 2: want to protect it. It's its own being. It's its
Speaker 2: own entity. We have to treat it separate. It's like
Speaker 2: we can't just like let one person fend for themselves.
Speaker 2: It's like, this isn't the agreement that we're making, And
Speaker 2: like we're both like have our shit together. We're both
Speaker 2: very driven and career minded. So it's like the other
Speaker 2: day I was like, honestly, it's amazing we're both like
Speaker 2: up in a float in our careers because we do
Speaker 2: spend so much.
Speaker 1: So true your boat, all boats are rising with a
Speaker 1: tide right now. This is good. You can help each
Speaker 1: other in different ways.
Speaker 2: Right, But it's like I respect her work so much.
Speaker 2: She grinds, she's out doing stand up every night, and
Speaker 2: I want her to like I want her because that's
Speaker 2: what comes first, and I know she's going to be
Speaker 2: supportive in mine. But we're just so like we do
Speaker 2: work trips together, like we happen to be in New York.
Speaker 2: Like we don't want kids and you don't want kids.
Speaker 1: No, oh, that's a decision you made together and you
Speaker 1: had that well.
Speaker 2: Both of us didn't want them separately.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I don't think I knew that did that was
Speaker 1: that discussed on The Bachelor? No? Interesting? See that how
Speaker 1: you think about these things that aren't discussed on The
Speaker 1: Bachelor from do you want to be in an open relationship?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's all I was saying. It was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, if I met the right person, then
Speaker 2: maybe I would have kids, Like honestly, Robbie, I would
Speaker 2: love to see little Robbie's and I would love to
Speaker 2: see her as the mom because she's so hilarious and
Speaker 2: she's so present. But it's like we both had tumultuous childhood.
Speaker 2: We've both been through so much as kids, Like we
Speaker 2: want to be kids now we are kids. We play
Speaker 2: so much. We want to be able to have room
Speaker 2: for ourselves and really treat our relationship like our childs,
Speaker 2: like that is our priority. We want to throw all
Speaker 2: of our resources into like protecting it and growing it
Speaker 2: and nurturing it.
Speaker 1: And what about pets.
Speaker 2: I have a dog, she has a cat. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: how do they get along? They don't right now. So
Speaker 2: we're like reading lots of material.
Speaker 1: You need a therapist for them, Yeah we do, and
Speaker 1: hoping for the best season.
Speaker 2: The dog whisper. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Sally Hirschberger, the hairstylist, once said to me that
Speaker 1: you don't want to be a lesbian because they steal
Speaker 1: all your shit. No, so do you guys borrow each
Speaker 1: other's clothes or hair stuff for anything or nothing? Because
Speaker 1: I would not. I'm on into that.
Speaker 2: No me either, But it's like it's different when it's
Speaker 2: a girl. Like even when I was dating.
Speaker 1: Guys, man wasn't borrowing your hair?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they would get into my shampoo conditioner.
Speaker 2: I'm like, can you pay me ten dollars each pump?
Speaker 2: Like that is so expensive and you don't appreciate it.
Speaker 1: No, you have seventy five colors in your hair. It's
Speaker 1: a maintenance project.
Speaker 2: Really literally, Wait, that's like liquid goal.
Speaker 1: So you'll let her borrow your shampoo?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Or use your shampoo? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because it's like I've loved I love her like I've
Speaker 2: never loved anything. Like I hate sharing. I don't really
Speaker 2: share food like I don't.
Speaker 1: Well, i'll share some food. It has to be like
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: It has to be known to share. It's a share.
Speaker 1: But that's what I think. Yeah, you know there's four pieces, right,
Speaker 1: there's guess when it's clear. I agree when there's a
Speaker 1: big pile because my fiance eats more quickly I'm not
Speaker 1: a fast eater.
Speaker 2: Yes, so he'll just eat and it's.
Speaker 1: Like, wait a minute. And I didn't, like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to grab everything because I'll be sick. But it's
Speaker 1: like right, He'll be like, I'm just sitting back and
Speaker 1: waiting to see what you're gonna do. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to be have the brusher
Speaker 1: of telling you what I'm gonna do with that food now.
Speaker 2: So yes, I want to do it on my own time. Yes,
Speaker 2: you get it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I really get the sharing of the food. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I will Paul will buy me an arimez
Speaker 1: bag and then they'll be like some vegan bar or
Speaker 1: some weirdo thing. And I got that he would never want.
Speaker 1: We and we were in the store recently. It's Cierella
Speaker 1: and we walking and he said, you know what, I
Speaker 1: don't do any more. I don't need bars, Like I
Speaker 1: make a big statement. I'm like, okay, yeah, And then
Speaker 1: they were these weird healthy bars and then in the house,
Speaker 1: I only bought a couple because he said he doesn't
Speaker 1: any bars. Right, So he comes out of the pantry
Speaker 1: and he's eating. I'm like, what do you do?
Speaker 2: What are you doing. Yeah, those are my bar. No,
Speaker 2: we just discussed this.
Speaker 1: You said you don't need fours and now so yeah,
Speaker 1: he could literally buy me an Arab's bag. But on
Speaker 1: the same day, Like, what are you doing about the
Speaker 1: bar right now? No?
Speaker 2: Actually, I know there's some stuff that's off limits. My
Speaker 2: heavy on water. Heavy on water really well, why because
Speaker 2: it's so good and it buys by the pack. It's
Speaker 2: so good. It's my favorite water.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you care about branded water.
Speaker 2: I don't. I only care about the same and coming
Speaker 2: from Colorado, it's no big deal. But if I get
Speaker 2: my hands on an Evyon or if I go in La,
Speaker 2: you can't drink the tap water.
Speaker 1: You really can't if you've put a filter thing on
Speaker 1: your thing.
Speaker 2: No, yes, and it's so annoying and like it doesn't
Speaker 2: go on rentals. So I buy Evyon When I was
Speaker 2: on Dancy with the Stars by like the twelve that.
Speaker 1: Mean you can't drink the wa What does that mean?
Speaker 1: You're gonna die?
Speaker 2: Like it's water. It's like La, it's so point I
Speaker 2: need to.
Speaker 1: Get what's gonna ever sew is cigarettes and drinking alcohol?
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: It's water?
Speaker 1: People, don't have water. I just drink any water.
Speaker 2: But when you find out, let me know, because I'm
Speaker 2: way too lazy, and I will trust that the water's
Speaker 2: bad for you, you.
Speaker 1: Know, because you're here today. We got cases of water.
Speaker 1: And is that my fancy water? Said that must love it?
Speaker 1: Turn it.
Speaker 2: I think I want to see the brand comes it's
Speaker 2: not good enough for me.
Speaker 1: Look I drink well, no, that looks expensive. That looks
Speaker 1: more expensive than I know.
Speaker 2: It's not about the brandy. It's about the taste.
Speaker 1: I can't I won't go.
Speaker 2: I will fight to the death anyways, like the shampoo.
Speaker 1: Okay, so who pays?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What do we do about the finances?
Speaker 2: So we split on split across the board. Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: on strike right now. She's a writer.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, I don't it's I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's like I don't really want to buy
Speaker 2: into gender norms. I think it's even like that within
Speaker 2: the lesbian community. It's like, you know, Robbie's a little
Speaker 2: more masculine like, but I'm like, we don't need to
Speaker 2: be doing.
Speaker 1: That, Like I shouldn't relate to money because she's a
Speaker 1: little masculine.
Speaker 2: Right, And she doesn't exactly. It's like I'm with a
Speaker 2: woman because like I'm I feel more emotionally connected because
Speaker 2: I you know, I feel safer, like with your soul,
Speaker 2: I like your being. Like women, you don't have to
Speaker 2: explain a layer of each other. We know what it's
Speaker 2: like to be a woman, like we think more similarly.
Speaker 2: I'm not with you because like I want you to
Speaker 2: pay for everything, right, and I do well, So it's
Speaker 2: like it's fine. I feel like everything's very fair.
Speaker 1: Everything's fair. Do you want to get legally married? Yes
Speaker 1: you do? Yeah, okay, yeah, interesting why.
Speaker 2: Once I think like I don't. I think it's just
Speaker 2: like another way that we get to commit to each other.
Speaker 2: So maybe like my views will change. I don't really
Speaker 2: have political views on it, but I think for us,
Speaker 2: like I get to be a little more romantic and
Speaker 2: cheesy with girls. I feel like we are the most
Speaker 2: Like if you read our text messages, you saw every
Speaker 2: five seconds, it's like babe, babe, babe, We're like we
Speaker 2: love you so much. We're like do you miss me?
Speaker 2: We're like right, We're always holding each other, Like you
Speaker 2: just get to be a lot more softer and loving.
Speaker 2: So it's like she asked me to be your girlfriend
Speaker 2: with the ring pop and like we can really yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's so cute, so cute. Two weeks in and
Speaker 2: she wrote me a little card. Yeah, we are always
Speaker 2: giving each other cards. She got me these earrings for
Speaker 2: my three our three month anniversary.
Speaker 1: Which is a big one, a big one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we celebrate every month, so it's like we're in it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like if a dude were to do that to me, disgusting,
Speaker 2: turned off. Yeah, you're yea sweat, you're in an animal. Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: do not act like that.
Speaker 1: Stop sweat to me, I'm turned off. That's yeah, amazing, right,
Speaker 1: So what about the sex. There's new hardware, Yeah, things
Speaker 1: to learn, well, not really new because I have one.
Speaker 1: So I would go to say that you're not like
Speaker 1: a familiar hardware. Well, I mean, any you haven't been
Speaker 1: trying and you can test yourself for years, So I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe maybe I have I don't have. You
Speaker 1: are a dancer, yeah, exactly, you're a gumby. I don't know,
Speaker 1: all right, but new hardware to work with, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think like also, I feel safer with
Speaker 2: the woman. I feel less judge and I feel like
Speaker 2: I feel like there doesn't have to be there's nothing
Speaker 2: off limits. If I have a question, I'm going to
Speaker 2: ask before after during we like will debrief on our
Speaker 2: sex life. You know, it feels just like very safe.
Speaker 2: Where As a man, I felt like there was sometimes
Speaker 2: unrealistic expectations. I felt like there was unsaid expectations.
Speaker 1: You're in your own head, yes, and you don't know
Speaker 1: what someone's thinking.
Speaker 2: And that's interesting because we weren't just like as open
Speaker 2: about it, like we weren't speaking the same language. I
Speaker 2: didn't feel as connected. So I feel like that part
Speaker 2: has been like really freeing for me.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. It's like this one thing. People will
Speaker 1: talk about anything, but you don't often talk about sex
Speaker 1: to your partner.
Speaker 2: It seems strange. Yes, you know, it seems.
Speaker 1: Like a weird topic because it seems you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to talk about sex in bed and you're not, then
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do, like at lunch just.
Speaker 2: Like let's talk about right. It can be awkward, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: and with us like, yeah, it's a little awkward, but
Speaker 2: it's like it's worth it because we want to talk
Speaker 2: about everything, and we want to make sure the other
Speaker 2: person is pleased and happy. Like sex is fun, yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's it's freeing, it's liberating, especially when you do
Speaker 2: it with someone that you feel safe with.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have to feel safe and trusting at the
Speaker 1: one hundred percent then it really that's so true, And
Speaker 1: you have to respect the other person. I feel like, yes,
Speaker 1: you have to respect somebody to be sexually attracted to them.
Speaker 2: I think, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, And like I've dated,
Speaker 2: Like I went through my phase in my twenties where
Speaker 2: it's like I slept around. I was like, I'm doing
Speaker 2: this for me, like, don't slut shame me. But it's
Speaker 2: like is it that or like was I kind of
Speaker 2: manipulated into this thinking because like that's what the men
Speaker 2: were doing and I wanted attention.
Speaker 1: It's funny because the word I've I've once called someone
Speaker 1: a name and and have been have been said to
Speaker 1: have slut shamed them. And I think about that as
Speaker 1: a term in general, just because if someone decides to
Speaker 1: sleep around with a bunch of people, yeah, are we
Speaker 1: and sometimes cheating? And are we supposed to respect that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to think that's great? That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that I don't have to think that's great. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't have to use a word to assign to it,
Speaker 1: but I don't have to think that's great necessarily. Like
Speaker 1: I don't have to think that's a great idea any
Speaker 1: more than I do someone just you know, cursing out
Speaker 1: everybody around them, like just like you're curse shaming. Like
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to not think that that's a great idea
Speaker 1: for my daughter, For example, I don't want her to
Speaker 1: sleep with a bunch of different people.
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, I think it's just like I think we
Speaker 2: all need to understand actually the intentions of her actions.
Speaker 2: Like it's like I felt like I was standing up
Speaker 2: to the men and it was like internalized misogyny almost
Speaker 2: like I can be just like you, and like even
Speaker 2: though I felt empowering, yes, but it wasn't. It was
Speaker 2: sad and it was desperate for me, Like, but that's
Speaker 2: for me coming out on the other side, you know,
Speaker 2: And it's like no, oh, I was just so down
Speaker 2: bad and I wanted attention and like I used that
Speaker 2: like as escape goes.
Speaker 1: I've seen that a lot. I remember the girls that
Speaker 1: I grew up with that were very advanced and very
Speaker 1: what we called promiscuous. And I see they were hot
Speaker 1: and it seemed like they acted like they were in control,
Speaker 1: but there was a sadness. I get what you're saying
Speaker 1: right right, and can be confused.
Speaker 2: And it's just because and like now I know sex,
Speaker 2: it's like I need an emotional connection, and with Robbie,
Speaker 2: I feel very emotionally connected.
Speaker 1: Yes, So what did Eric say someone you were engaged to,
Speaker 1: your family knew? What did he say?
Speaker 2: Nothing? Not a peep. Haven't heard a word really, Yeah,
Speaker 2: from like a lot of my previous ex boyfriends, I
Speaker 2: haven't heard anything.
Speaker 1: Really not, just like I'm so glad to see you're
Speaker 1: happy or congratulations.
Speaker 2: No, I think either they're all taking it personally or
Speaker 2: I have noticed, like even with I saw some friends
Speaker 2: this last weekend, some nurses. We went to Vegas for
Speaker 2: the Beyonce concert, and like they were amazing. It was
Speaker 2: so great. She's literally an earth angel. She's like so
Speaker 2: flawless right beyond why. But they're like, we're getting all
Speaker 2: these text messages from my previous co workers like did
Speaker 2: you know, Like what do you think? Instead of like
Speaker 2: texting me directly?
Speaker 1: I find that too. Congratulations it's funny you say that.
Speaker 1: Ye're just wow interesting you know anything?
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I find that all the time. Yeah, so many people
Speaker 1: will be talking about something. I won't get one text
Speaker 1: about something.
Speaker 2: Yes, very when I'm Bachelor, Bachelotte, Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 2: my phone would blow up after anything. And now it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm clearly so happy, Like I'm like like, thank god,
Speaker 2: we did this, we get to we have another reason
Speaker 2: to celebrate our relationship.
Speaker 1: Like you want to see the text now, not that
Speaker 1: dancing with the Stars. You want somebody to say, I'm
Speaker 1: so that's so fascinating. You think that maybe that the
Speaker 1: men feel like not only rejected, but that they must
Speaker 1: have been defective or something because after being with them,
Speaker 1: now you've gone to be with a woman. Do you
Speaker 1: know how that happens? Sometimes people feel like they took
Speaker 1: that personally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh there's something going on. I don't know what
Speaker 2: because it's like I'm so new to it and I
Speaker 2: don't I cannot understand and men, but I'm sure it's
Speaker 2: personal and their egos hurt. That's all I know about him.
Speaker 1: Well, they we'll find out after that. This will be
Speaker 1: Now I'm invested in knowing what the real answer is
Speaker 1: about that. And what about so your grandfather was like
Speaker 1: a breakout character, right, yes, what about him? He's got
Speaker 1: to be old school? Yeah, what does he think?
Speaker 2: He honestly like we haven't talked about it. I know,
Speaker 2: like Bachelor Nation is going to be like, but it's
Speaker 2: like he's eighty five, like let him live.
Speaker 1: Right, And that's also if he thinks he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about having sex with a man either.
Speaker 2: For the most story, like he's never asking me who
Speaker 2: I'm dating guy or girl? Exactly right.
Speaker 1: He's on the show and that was fun, but he's
Speaker 1: not really talking about are you connected or you right?
Speaker 2: Like he's my grandpa, Like you know, he'll like slip
Speaker 2: a check, like we'll have a laugh, kind of talk
Speaker 2: about his previous life. He's lived a million lives. But
Speaker 2: it's like not really like about me. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 2: need him to like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be on this interview talking about
Speaker 1: how he feels about you being with a woman.
Speaker 2: Totally, it's not going to affect him. He's going to
Speaker 2: Bridge every Tuesday Thursday. Let the Man live.
Speaker 1: The man looks and you're high school friends people you
Speaker 1: grew up with everything, like every you feel, is there
Speaker 1: anybody that you feel strange around or weird or uncomfortable
Speaker 1: or knowing it like being like I wonder if they know.
Speaker 2: I think not like not specifically and not strange, but
Speaker 2: I do feel like people don't really know how to
Speaker 2: ask questions. They're like kind of afraid or think I'm
Speaker 2: different or somehow have changed like completely. I'm like no,
Speaker 2: I'm literally exactly the same, if anything, like I'm more
Speaker 2: myself because you know, when you're in a good relationship,
Speaker 2: it gives you the confidence to like really be yourself. Yes,
Speaker 2: so I felt that, but they're just like it's I
Speaker 2: don't think they're less interested. I think they don't know
Speaker 2: how to be interested and don't want to hurt my
Speaker 2: feelings because just like every other taboo topic like in
Speaker 2: our country, like race and class, like people are just
Speaker 2: like afraid or they're going to say the wrong way exactly.
Speaker 2: We've done that to people.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because people act like they're so we're
Speaker 1: so honest and open now, and it's not true because
Speaker 1: no everyone says that. You just say it, but everybody
Speaker 1: gets crucified for saying anything, for saying a word wrong,
Speaker 1: for getting a term wrong.
Speaker 2: And that's right.
Speaker 1: Everyone's stifled now and secretly talks about how they really
Speaker 1: feel instead of openly saying something. Maybe someone says something
Speaker 1: wrong to you, like I could say something wrong here
Speaker 1: with the language I'm using, you know, Or in another conversation,
Speaker 1: is she a that you may not know the right
Speaker 1: words and you get killed for something you just didn't
Speaker 1: know because you're ignorant. And if you spend all your
Speaker 1: time studying something, you wouldn't even be able to be
Speaker 1: open in life.
Speaker 2: No, exactly, and then you're so afraid. And that's why
Speaker 2: I feel like Robbie and I like talk so much
Speaker 2: ad nauseum about everything, but we have similar enough in
Speaker 2: different views. We're both very like nothing's personal. It does
Speaker 2: come from like a lack of education, not even that,
Speaker 2: but a lack of experience, Like it is truly hard
Speaker 2: to explain my experience to someone because you haven't been there.
Speaker 1: And part of it's a new language, it's a different language,
Speaker 1: and it's totally fine, right, Like it's okay.
Speaker 2: I understand that there's gonna be a little of that disconnect.
Speaker 1: So this is a very this has been and we're
Speaker 1: gonna have Robbie coming now like a lot. It's a long,
Speaker 1: breathing conversation. I didn't see it, but I heard, like
Speaker 1: the first time you talked about this was on the View,
Speaker 1: which is who told you to do that? I'm just
Speaker 1: curious because I've been on the View. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just wonder who told you to do that
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: No, I have close relationships with the people who over
Speaker 2: to say yeah, And I didn't want to do a
Speaker 2: serious interview like Gma, like this doesn't need to be
Speaker 2: like a serious like I'm a light person. It's not
Speaker 2: like a deep journalistic deep dive. It's like it's not
Speaker 2: like I don't want to talk about my past. I
Speaker 2: just like want to be able. I need to stop
Speaker 2: somewhere and let people know I'm dating a woman, because
Speaker 2: my fan base in particular knows my for dating men.
Speaker 1: That was where the first stop was what happened on
Speaker 1: the View.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great interview. I think like
Speaker 2: it's a panel. I think there's different personalities. That's why
Speaker 2: the view is the view, and they have like a
Speaker 2: group of women with different perspectives. So I really don't
Speaker 2: think I think they were great. I said what I
Speaker 2: need to say, and like I can hold my own like,
Speaker 2: I don't need I'm the same. Yes, I don't need
Speaker 2: somebody to like baby me or be like oh my god,
Speaker 2: like oh you're lesbian. It's like, no, I'm here to
Speaker 2: like tell my story. I already feel empowered. This already
Speaker 2: feels good that you're giving me a chance to say this,
Speaker 2: or other people would write my own story for me now.
Speaker 1: But I'm like you, I like a little heat in
Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, I like a little like I don't
Speaker 1: need to like look at questions hit me. You like it,
Speaker 1: you got your challenge by it, you enjoy it interesting. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what made you come to talk to me? I'm so flattered.
Speaker 1: I'm so honored.
Speaker 2: No, me too, thank you for having me. I think
Speaker 2: we were thinking, like obviously, I want to be able
Speaker 2: to discuss it in a long form way, like just naturally,
Speaker 2: as a person, I have a lot of thoughts, I
Speaker 2: have a lot of opinions. I'm naturally introspective. This is
Speaker 2: something different that's happened to me later in life, so
Speaker 2: like I would love to be able to talk about it,
Speaker 2: especially since it's so different from my history. And my
Speaker 2: publicists really highly of you.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, awesome, all right, well tell her thank you.
Speaker 2: Yes, I and love iHeart like I've worked with them before.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yes, have you thought about podcasting?
Speaker 2: Yes, we're we're shopping right now.
Speaker 1: Are you doing one together or are you gonna do
Speaker 1: one on you? Yes? She? How do you want to
Speaker 1: talk about? And I think that be great. I like
Speaker 1: there's something that I don't know, like it's not doesn't
Speaker 1: define you, but something about the exploring your sexuality thing.
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting jumping off point of our podcast,
Speaker 1: so we could talk about it.