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Speaker 1: Gabby, you are in my house, welcome, thank you, and

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Speaker 1: you're saying you're doing a little staycation in sag Harbor. Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, so I'm gonna give you all the spots.

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Speaker 1: I watched your shows to get prepared. I watched certain

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Speaker 1: I went in deep you.

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I mean, I didn't realize.

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Speaker 1: I did not realize how many seasons there actually were,

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Speaker 1: and I was instantly drawn to you. So we'll get

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Speaker 1: into that. But you do not look as tall on television. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's like a thing because you're always being

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Speaker 2: tall you are. When you pack for the Bachelor, they're like,

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Speaker 2: don't worry about your shoes, They'll never see your feet.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, really, don't really see your legs? Wait, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's because you.

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Speaker 1: To me, if someone said describe our like, she's this

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Speaker 2: I'm five eight and I'm constantly in heels. I'm never

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Speaker 2: in a flash and you're all legs.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you just look here. You have a very

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Speaker 2: How thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's very different. And you're blonde.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm newly blonde. Well I was a blonde before

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Speaker 2: So now that I'm going back blonde, it's like a

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Speaker 1: Wait, why do people love to talk Why is it controversial?

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Speaker 1: Because I feel like you're trying to be something you're not.

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Speaker 2: It's like different. But and I think, yeah, they're just

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Speaker 2: to my brown hair.

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Speaker 1: Well, it comes through you, don't That's what the box

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Speaker 2: thank you for giving me a chance to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: Really, this is why we're here.

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Speaker 2: Obviously thought a lot about it. I have a lot

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Speaker 1: I want to hear it because I do beauty views

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Speaker 1: and I'm fascinating because I color my hair at home

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Speaker 2: Every time my hairdresser sees me, they're like, you're a

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that on in Bachelor Nation it's controversial

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Speaker 2: That's what I want. I'm like, you guys have to

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Speaker 1: So you're here to say that you identify as a

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Speaker 2: No, I want the room to have like whatever kind

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Speaker 1: So you're in the Hamptons and you're here with your girlfriend. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So do you both say this is my girlfriend, this

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Speaker 2: I yeah, I think it does make sense. Bachelor Nation

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Speaker 1: I bet that I don't know her, will meet her.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, the last she said she she won the Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: Now that's how she says it. She's like, I won

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Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like in Candyland, when you go directly to

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Speaker 2: Go through all the little pieces literally, right, exactly right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: All right, so you are more than who you're dating,

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Speaker 2: But okay, it's my favorite topic right now too.

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Speaker 2: I was single for years. I had just moved out

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Speaker 2: That's how it was.

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Speaker 1: Five years.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay. I was nominated a couple years prior

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Speaker 2: like literally on my application it was like dated his

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Speaker 2: name's Dean. Dated Dean, like Denver Bronco's cheerleader, and they

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's a good resume.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of cheerleaders, a lot of Disney Princesses

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Speaker 1: great reality show would be showing Disney Princesses after dark. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yes, it would be an make I'm sure Disney's gonna

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Speaker 1: Okay, So then you were a traveling nurse, which I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a third party agency. You kind of

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Speaker 2: Now it's a little more stable. It's a way for

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Speaker 1: So you can make good money as a traveling nurse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: stipend for a living that's like non tax So nurses

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Speaker 2: travel nurses are savvy with their finances.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 1: And you're very social obviously you've worked in a social environment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I love new experiences, Like I tried

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Speaker 1: What if I meet someone amazing, It's exactly okay, right,

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Speaker 2: I was on the dance team. They call us cheerleaders

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this. I was second

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Speaker 1: I do know this, and people talk about that as

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Speaker 1: I was second on The Apprentice. A good star, my god, Hi,

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Speaker 2: We should do a whole show. We should, we need

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Speaker 1: So but I'm saying now looking back, as we'll get

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Honestly no, not really like I thought, as far

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Speaker 2: It's exactly you right, especially coming from like a conservative

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Speaker 2: Yes, And also I think like gay men are still

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Speaker 1: You make a great point. You make a great point,

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Speaker 1: because it's true. It was more like, it seems like

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Speaker 1: but not like a god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to impress the boys. It's like there's an

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Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't feel valued. It feels more like anecdotal.

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Speaker 1: so yeah, you were straight. They didn't think it was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, So you go on Bachelor and you're

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Speaker 1: Right, he said, she's the funniest person on the planet

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then you go through this process and he manipulates

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Speaker 2: Thank you? I think just like ugh, I feel like

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Speaker 2: I've always said that. I think maybe he hasn't had

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Speaker 2: it's like you're not even technically my boss. You have

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00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 2: a different discipline, Our goals are different. You're here to

435
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 2: like treat the disease and I'm here to treat the

436
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,160
Speaker 2: whole person and to take things into like a holistic account.

437
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 2: Like we have two different goals, right, But I am

438
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 2: treated like I have to take your orders and I

439
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,119
Speaker 2: don't really have a voice. Is it because I'm a

440
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 2: nurse or is it because I'm a woman or both.

441
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 1: It's a dynamic that was set up like a caveman teachers.

442
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a minor already female dominated field.

443
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 1: Hi, Hi, Robbie, how are you good?

444
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 2: Where are you gonna sit?

445
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, baby, you want to sit there? And

446
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 1: then we'll bring her in after we get into the

447
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,120
Speaker 1: bath in.

448
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 2: The guest house. I don't know. It's okay.

449
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 1: Well, do you feel like we are talking about some

450
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 1: of this stuff?

451
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 2: No, it's just like easier for me to talk about

452
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 2: her if she's not here. And I think babe babe

453
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 2: in a good way.

454
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: All right, So let's let babe go to get a drink.

455
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 2: She doesn't like. She doesn't let me watch all her

456
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,360
Speaker 2: comedy either, So I know, babe, but come on, it's

457
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 2: the first one.

458
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: Okay, no, bo, Babe should go get a drink. Bite.

459
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Babe, babe.

460
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 2: We're in love. It's really hard for people to see.

461
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 2: I got tay babe into.

462
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 1: The woods, the woods, the babe in the woods, and

463
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: then we're gonna get her bring a back.

464
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 2: Somebody likes me.

465
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't imagine why we're gonna get into when

466
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: she comes out, Why you would even think of having

467
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 1: me do it, because it becomes very controversial these days

468
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: to be on my podcast. I did not realize, but

469
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 1: we'll be. I'm being canceled, I'm renewed at the same time.

470
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

471
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, canceled and renew the same day. Okay. So all right,

472
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 1: So oh so you said, oh, yes, it's amazing what

473
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, there are scenes are just dynamics that

474
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: and set in stone.

475
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then naturally you think about it, so like whatever,

476
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm kind of dating this man. With other women.

477
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,479
Speaker 2: I understood what I got into, but it almost felt

478
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: like new money. It was like a man who had

479
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 2: just had power for the first time.

480
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: Oh, you didn't like that he had all the power,

481
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,719
Speaker 1: and you've walked into a dynamic where he had all

482
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: the power. He got to just choose and discard.

483
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: Because yeah, because I think he took advantage of it

484
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 2: and he didn't really like, really think about or regard

485
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 2: our feelings. And I can like that was always my

486
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: thought going in. I'm like, honestly, just be honest, just

487
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 2: be open, like he like compared all of us at

488
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: the same point, it's like you can't compare like different

489
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: women or different lovers. They're different. You have a better

490
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: connection with them or not. But it's like you can't

491
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: say you like love one more, this one's better.

492
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: Like you're saying, you can still be a good person

493
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 1: even within this strange experiment. You can still if I

494
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: let tell you what I need, which is for you

495
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 1: to just always be upfront and honest with me. Yeah,

496
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: it may not end up being me, but I need you. Well,

497
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you're dating sometimes, Like, yeah, I've dated.

498
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: I remember dating a guy who was a player. He

499
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: had never really had a girlfriend, and we really connected

500
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: and you knew that he was like sleeping around every weekend.

501
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: He just had that reputation and it's what was going on. Yeah,

502
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: And there became a point where I said, this needs

503
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: to be evolving or I don't want to do it.

504
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: But you don't get to just pretend that because I

505
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: know that about you, that that's enough. Like you have

506
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: to tell me like you want to progress and move forward. Yeah,

507
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: And just because you say, oh, she knew that I

508
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: was that type of person, that's not enough. Like you

509
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: have to hold yourself accountable, yeah, and be responsible for

510
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: the other person's feelings also, right, A lot of people

511
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: don't do that. A lot of oh they know who

512
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: I am? Like me say, you know, it's like, is

513
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: that how you treat the people you love?

514
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: Like you're also the other party is allowed to have

515
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 2: expectations and needs to And I'm allowed to tell you

516
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: what I need. If we're if we're not being able

517
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: to give the same thing, we're not a match. And

518
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: that's a yes, But don't make me feel like I'm

519
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: crazy for bringing it up. I feel like a lot

520
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: of our dating culture has like kind of gas lit

521
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: women into thinking that we're not allowed to ask for

522
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 2: what we want and we have to settle for these

523
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 2: guys who it's like, okay for them to sleep around.

524
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, they're just men. I have to wait

525
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: until he's ready to not sleeping around. Would I ever

526
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: do that to somebody?

527
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: No, Well, that was how the show was set up

528
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: with men in the power position. And obviously then they

529
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: did the bachelors, which.

530
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Speaker 2: That's different because it's a bubble and I will understand,

531
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 2: Like me going in, I'm like, I know you're sleeping

532
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: with other girls. There's like this meme of me with

533
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: BedHead comparing me to the Bradstall, like coming in the

534
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 2: next day because they, like, you know, had this conversation

535
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: with us and the other girls like what were you

536
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 2: doing last night? It's like everyone knows what we're doing. Like,

537
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: don't make me say it. It's like a part of

538
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: the gig. It's basically in my contract, it's not but

539
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: like whatever I'm in on. But in real life, in

540
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: real life, it doesn't translate.

541
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: Well no, but in real life too, you could say

542
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: to your girlfriends, I'm okay with it, it's fine. We're

543
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: just dating and then all of a sudden it takes

544
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: you over.

545
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: If I genuinely felt like that, that's.

546
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. Not what I'm saying is on a show,

547
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: you could get all the rules and you could have

548
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: a rule even with the guy. Yeah, but when you

549
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: get into real feelings, you can't. You can't play stupid

550
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: and smart at the same time. If you have feelings,

551
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lack of irrationality. I mean, sorry,

552
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: there'll be an element of irrationality because you feel something

553
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: right right right. You could say it's cool, but it

554
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: may not feel cool. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm not trying

555
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: to be cool. I'm not cool in a relationship. I

556
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: just want to be myself and I need, like I

557
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: want to be seen. Like the last thing I'm gonna

558
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: do is try and play it cool, Like I don't

559
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: think that helps anybody, Okay, And so I feel like

560
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: he just kind of took advantage of his power because

561
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: it was kind of led to believe the ending. You know,

562
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: he went back for the third girl, which it seems

563
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: like he knew all along. So then it's like he's

564
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: feel like a loser, a fool.

565
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 2: So it's like why'd you sleep with me? And I

566
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: can say things because I have been on the other side.

567
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: I was the bachelorette, Yes, and I chose not to

568
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: sleep with everybody if I wasn't like still deciding I

569
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 2: only slept with one person, not saying it's the way

570
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 2: to go, because like I think you can genuinely be conflicted.

571
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you can. And people can sleep with more

572
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: than one person. It's their choice. But you're saying you

573
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: found a way for yourself to have integrity in that process. Yeah,

574
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: I found it very compelling that you would go to

575
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: the end with a girl and become really good friends

576
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: with her, like you were competing with her. How did

577
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: you manage to be competing with her? Or was it

578
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: really that you were like commiserating because you were going

579
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: through the same exact experience.

580
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: I think it is a lot of like compartmentalizing. They

581
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: kind of say, like it is a new scenario, so

582
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: you can't really you can't compare it to any interesting

583
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: which I think is a lot of reason kind of

584
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: like why it does work in that world because it's honestly,

585
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: it's not real life. So you're starting with a blank

586
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: slick Yes, so I'm.

587
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: Like, even if you've watched it, it's going to be

588
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: anything that happens.

589
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: Of course. I just like always came in with an

590
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: open mind. I'm like, honestly, at this point, I surrender

591
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 2: if this is going to be my man. He wasn't

592
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: like the complete opposite of who I'm dating now, like

593
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: a little Jewish woman. I was dating all these big

594
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 2: white frien' you could never give me what she can

595
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: give me, right, But I was just like, Okay, if

596
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: it's meant to be, it'll be. I'm always like, I'm

597
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: never going to choose a guy or or a partner

598
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: or a lover over a girl over a friend. Like

599
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 2: I do think there's this kind of innate like we've

600
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: been through a lot of shit as women. We have

601
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: to lift each other up, and plus it takes two

602
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: in a relationship. It's like they're choosing each other. It's

603
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: not like somebody is. It's not personal to me, right, Like,

604
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: it's not like anyone's like hurting me on purpose. It's

605
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: like they're a better match. Okay, yeah, definitely.

606
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: Right now, you just wanted there to be some ethics

607
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: and integrity because you were putting yourself out there. Okay,

608
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: do you feel that you were really in love with him.

609
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: I thought I was, because again, like you are in

610
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 2: the bubble. Bubble, yes, and it really and like I

611
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: buy in. I'm a good player, I'm a team player.

612
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: Like I'm in on it. I think you can't come

613
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 2: out alive. You can't go in doubting everything.

614
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: You can't play. No, you can't be half pregnant. No,

615
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: you're in all the way exactly.

616
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: I get pregnant. Yeah, anything I do.

617
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: No. But by the way, that's why I see myself

618
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: in you a little bit. Because in the Housewives, it's

619
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: the same thing, and they always ask it's such a

620
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: weird question, is it real? It's impossible to what's happening

621
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: is real, but the circumstances the bubble is not real.

622
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: So is it real that I'm talking to these specific

623
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: women about this thing and fighting, someone throws a leg

624
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: on a dance floor, some flips a table. Those things

625
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: really happen because those are extraordinary circumstances. So it's a

626
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: bullshit question.

627
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: Is it real?

628
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: What you were feeling is real, what was happening is real,

629
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: but you were living in fantasy island.

630
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: Right, and it's all cold. But like this is also

631
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: kind of like a job, Like for you, it was

632
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 2: like your job, Like I'm here. I know I have

633
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: not even a role to play, but my job is.

634
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: To be here and be involved and be present. And

635
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: what they need you to do and do it you

636
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: need to exactly.

637
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: They could tell it. Yeah, and I hear it, and

638
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm here. I'm a hard worker.

639
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: No, you're on the field putting your heart. That's exactly exactly.

640
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: It's a work ethic thing. I fully get it. I

641
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: really really that's very interesting. And then so you have

642
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: your show with Rachel you guys, are you still close?

643
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: Yes?

644
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: Okay, and you go on this strange but fun girlfriend

645
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: journey and you meet this guy Eric, and I'm sure

646
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: that the whole world thought this it's yeah, didn't It

647
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: didn't track and the engagement field felt awkward. It felt

648
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: weird just watching it felt like, Okay, we're on the

649
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: show and we're supposed to be doing this now. Yeah,

650
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: and the clocks, you know, run out. So what was

651
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: that all like? And what were you together saying to

652
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: each other about it?

653
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, and I think there is it was obviously

654
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot you like, don't see. So I do

655
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: feel like I was really connected with him and like, Okay,

656
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: this could be it for me. We had great banter

657
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: on the show. It seems like seemingly he kind of

658
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: like had his shit together. He really chose me, which

659
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: was nice. Like I know people are like, hey, I

660
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: just want to feel chosen, but it's like in my

661
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: dating like life, I never really had someone besides Robbie

662
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: like stand up and really choose me, like, yes, that's

663
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: the one I want to be with, like screen, and.

664
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: He really did. He really loved you.

665
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: And he did. Yeah, he kept coming back for more,

666
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: like even throughout everything, and I'm like, okay, I can

667
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: tell he wants to be with me. I think it

668
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: was it was like all the other storylines that kind

669
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: of confused things. It was like Jason the other he

670
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: was like very quie, very afraid of cameras, so we

671
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: just couldn't get anywhere because he literally thought he was

672
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: in a simulation. Like I can't like meet you as

673
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: a person if you're so afraid of everything else that's

674
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: going on. That's why you have to buy in. If

675
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: you're agreen to like be on this kind of television,

676
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: do this kind kind of work, you have to like

677
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: be Okay, I'm going to do it. I trust myself

678
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be myself. But it's like our

679
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: relationship couldn't really progress.

680
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: Well. Also, I think that Listen, I'm older than you

681
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: and I've been in a lot many relationships, and I

682
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: do think that as you get older, your priorities change.

683
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: And I've had the thought of my life, well, I

684
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: love this person so much because of how much they

685
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: love me. That's one way. And some people say, fall

686
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: in love with someone who loves you more than you

687
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: love them. Some people marry for money. Some people marry

688
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: because it's a good fit, because it's an arranged marriage,

689
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: because it's a religion. Like there doesn't have to be

690
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: like one puzzle piece that fits, which young girls like

691
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: to think that there does. But if you, you know,

692
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: plucked you and moved you to Malaysia right now, you

693
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: might meet someone else. It could even be a man.

694
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: Like it's not it's the ocean. It's living and breathing

695
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: and moving.

696
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: Yes, it's all fluid, yeah, just like water.

697
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like sexuality and yeah, like choices and partners.

698
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, bringing it back, both bringing it back.

699
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Okay, And why do people say that dancing with the

700
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: Stars control to a breakup.

701
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's literally not true. For like

702
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: Eric and I lived in la at the same time.

703
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: We were in the same city. Some people have like

704
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: done Dancing with the Stars in different cities and like

705
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: have made it through, right, I think. And it's an

706
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: excuse because a lot of times it's right after filming

707
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: The Bachelor, So it's like because of the timing, they're like, oh,

708
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: it must be dancing. It's like not that we were

709
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: in the real world and now we're just figuring out

710
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: we're not a match because we're not in the bubble

711
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: and I'm figuring more about this person and like learning

712
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: I'm not compatible, Like would have done that with or

713
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: without Dancing with the Stars?

714
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you know what I did want to

715
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: ask you just as the first person I've ever interviewed

716
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: in this experience. I met Tyler Cameron, but I haven't

717
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: interviewed him yet. But you said you grew up very

718
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: middle class and chef boy or d yeah, spaghettios. Yeah,

719
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: So how is a show like that? It is the bubble,

720
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: but how is that show? How does that show reflect

721
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: real life in any way? Because if Pete you could

722
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: fall in love with a frog if you go on

723
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: this amazing gorgeous helicopter ride, yeah, into an exotic Polynesian

724
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: island to rose pedals at the dinner table, like yeah,

725
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: and then you have to go back to Spaghettio's and like,

726
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: there's no discussion of therapy. There's not really a lot

727
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: of discussion of religion, there's not a lot of discussion

728
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: of politics. So yeah, the bubble is even more bubbly

729
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: than just saying the bubble of a reality show.

730
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: That's very true.

731
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: When a relationship. Money is one of the biggest things

732
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: that people discuss in relationships and they argue over Yeah,

733
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 1: so how does that even get discussed? Like this is

734
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: not real life.

735
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: Like you try and discuss it, like I will say,

736
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: you don't know. You're not discussing it when you're there.

737
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: It's like you try and like ask the questions and

738
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: you're try and really get to know the person. I

739
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: think like if somebody is like a different class than you,

740
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: like very like super duper rich, which I'd probably be like, hey, right,

741
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like y even more. But it's like

742
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: my girlfriend, like money is really she grew up really poor.

743
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: So the first one. The first question she asked me

744
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: is like, do you come from money. I'm like, I

745
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: don't think so, because she needs somebody to relate to,

746
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: especially being in the industry that way in LA like

747
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: you don't know where you're coming from kind of how

748
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: level your head is.

749
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying to you. As much as religion

750
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: is something that you might want someone that is, you know,

751
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: going to raise your kids Catholic or sure that someone

752
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: not coming from money and someone coming from money is

753
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: a very different experience and you can resent it or

754
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: the person can't relate to your struggles and being on

755
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: that show, you're sitting next to someone eating caviar. And

756
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: then also that person's not gonna be able to give

757
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: you cavier when you get home. Theoretically, unless there's some prints,

758
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's very unrealistic and they don't talk about things.

759
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: There should be a modern version where they do talk

760
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: about therapy, and.

761
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: Which I will say, we do have resources now, we

762
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: have therapists on site and like afterwards they give you

763
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: lots of access, So I will say that therapy was

764
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: actually heavily involved kind of in like organized relationship.

765
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: And you mean for the couple.

766
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: They do both they do.

767
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I meant. I meant for the couple.

768
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can seek it out if you want it

769
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: for the couple time.

770
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: And like they don't talk about prenups like a realistic thing.

771
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: It's fantasyland where prenups are an important part of life.

772
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: Literally, we should talk about prenups. Yeah, you know, I

773
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: don't know anything about it.

774
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. It's the point. If you're gonna

775
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: do some shockgun wedding at my house. I have a

776
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: beautiful conto, the duck on the front. You can get

777
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: married the dunfel marry. Oh my god, we're having a wedding.

778
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, But I will say you do your best

779
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: to have those conversations and just try and get a

780
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: grasp for the whole person, which I am a really

781
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 2: good judge of character, but also because of the bubble,

782
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: I trust myself and to bring you can pretty much

783
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: like read me like a book, like my heart's on

784
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 2: my sleeve. The more you talk to me, of course,

785
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: the more you find out. I think I can read

786
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: other people too, but it depends on how much you

787
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: give me. And a lot of people aren't bringing the

788
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: same amount to the table. I felt like nobody was

789
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: willing to like really kind of air out their shit

790
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: as much as I was. So then going into the

791
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: real world, it's like it didn't matter how many questions

792
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 2: I ask you, I would go on a lemon and say,

793
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: you lied to me, right, you know, just to get

794
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: through yes.

795
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes yes, And that's not the way

796
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: to start. So you were okay, So we'll get into

797
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: your relationship. But I want to I want to attribute

798
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: it to the show for one second. Do you feel

799
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: that in not being with a man now, that you're

800
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: somehow letting some of your viewers down, or that they

801
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: invested in this journey and that you went on a

802
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: different path than they thought you were on.

803
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: They might feel like that, but they do think they

804
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: do or they don't. I don't really know, honestly, because

805
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: it's like we know our position, like we have so

806
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: many people that have an opinion just by like literally

807
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: having an Instagram that it's like I can't really buy

808
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: into that at all. I don't really have the space

809
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: like this. It's almost like hard to say. I think

810
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: love is the great intangible It's hard to really explain.

811
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: It's hard to like accurately articulately, articulately convey. But when

812
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: I'm talking about my relationship, it's literally not so much

813
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: that like I'm in a relationship with a woman. It's

814
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: like I'm in a relationship in love for one of the.

815
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: First times human being.

816
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: It feels just the same. Yeah, it's like I'm not

817
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: even seeing her gender, Like I honestly do think real

818
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: love transcends gender to a point, and I truly feel

819
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: like that. So it's like if my fans, I do think,

820
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: my followers and people who wanted my journey like I

821
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: do think now they just want to see me happy.

822
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: They fell in love with me, not just because I

823
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: was dating, but because of like my whole personality. They

824
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: hadn't really seen someone like that in the Bachelor before.

825
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: So it's like, I'm gonna throw you for one more loop.

826
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: On the journey. You're saying, you're not acting like this

827
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: was a secret you were keeping, because it's not right.

828
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: It was saying, this is a development in my life

829
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: that we're going on.

830
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: And if you wanted to be happy for me for

831
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: any relationship, it would be now because this is the

832
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: happiest I've ever I feel like I'm a prophet. I

833
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: have to spread the good word about what it means

834
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: to be in a good relationship. I think I've finally

835
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: been taught about what love is for the for the

836
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: first time, and I feel like I've been like, yeah,

837
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: just like told wrong my whole life.

838
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: Well, so it could so Robbie.

839
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: Or not even just gender, but just that I.

840
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: That you fell in love with. It could have been

841
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: a man, it could have been Okay, I that's what

842
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You fell in love with the person. It's

843
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: just to be in a box. It's not a label,

844
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: and that's difficult for America to understand. So I think

845
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: you might be a prophet because it's good to explain

846
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: to people that.

847
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: Which not like thinking I'm like above first of all, Okay,

848
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: I have to always like lesbians think they're better than everybody,

849
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: and I'm jeff yeah, pretentious, I'm drinking the kool aid.

850
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: So like, I'm sorry, I'm here, but like, we don't know,

851
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: we'll find out. I think it's the better option. Obviously

852
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: I'm here, right, but like, yeah, when you're ready, come

853
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: to me. Okay, it seems like you're doing fine. Yeah,

854
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: that's right.

855
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: You're like the leader of a cult and you want

856
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: me able to come to you be in your lesbian Yeah, okay,

857
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: I get it, so all right, So how do you

858
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: meet Robbie? So you obviously are a person who's attracted

859
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: to humor, which is by the way, not lost on me,

860
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: because you met a person who is a comedian. Has

861
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: the guy the Clayton said about you that you were

862
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: the funniest person on the planet. So I'm a person

863
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: that could never be with someone who isn't funny, who

864
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: doesn't appreciate humor, like and it's a requirement. I'm a

865
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: comedy snob, Like I don't understand people. I'm funny.

866
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have to see Robbie. Okay, literally

867
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: the best.

868
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: So you So how did you guys meet?

869
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: We met outside of the bars, So I was like,

870
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 2: like I went on tour with Dancing with the Stars

871
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: and whatever. That was an experience, yes, which is like

872
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: an experience in itself. You're literally like in and out

873
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: of like Ymca, He's like living on a tour bus.

874
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: There's twelve of us. Honestly, I felt like it did

875
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: something to my psyche that is like a deep state

876
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: meditation because I was just I couldn't even focus on

877
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: like day to day things because you're just trying to

878
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: stay alive. You're like waking up in a new place

879
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: every day, you're sleeping and literally a moving vehicle. I

880
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna die.

881
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: I went on a tour, and I went on a

882
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: tour with a new baby, and it sounded so cool before.

883
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: You get it sounds so.

884
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: So dehydrated, it's so exhausted, so dirty, yes, so dirty

885
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: and wired at the same time, I know exactly.

886
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: But you can't get any sleep. You're always on with

887
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: like the lights and like performing live. It was crazy, right,

888
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: So maybe I blame tour. I don't know. If we

889
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: want someone to blame, let's blame tour. Okay. Anyways, we

890
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: were watching Perfect Match, the whatever dating show on Netflix,

891
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: ok and they had like a queer storyline with two girls.

892
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: It seemed very genuine, like as genuine as it could be.

893
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: But it was the first time I saw like girls

894
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: who I kind of identified with. Like, first of all,

895
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: they're on a reality dating show, right, wear kind of

896
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: the same clothes. Like it's like what, like you know whatever,

897
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: So I'm like, Okay, this seems genuine, like I feel like, like, uh,

898
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: you know, we stereotype people, and it's like the only

899
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: one people talked about lesbians. It was only girls who

900
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: like carried themselves a little more masculine. Yeah exactly, which

901
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: that's like.

902
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: The quote unquote guy in the relationship, which is such bullshit.

903
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 2: And also a label, yes exactly, like not really gender norms,

904
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: and that's like a whole different discussion. I feel that's

905
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: like too much to get into. But anyways, so it's like, Okay,

906
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: this is clearly sparking something to me. I also have

907
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: one of my best friends is queer. She's in a

908
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: relationship with a woman, so it's like we hang out,

909
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: I'd like ask our questions. Apparently now everyone tells me

910
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: her name is Bridget. She's gonna love that. She's getting

911
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: the shout out high Bridget and die. Okay, yeah, but

912
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: like after I met her, I told everyone else that

913
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: she made me question my sexuality, but I literally don't remember.

914
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: I like blocked it out of my head right, And

915
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: now when I come back to my friends, we're like,

916
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: I remember when you met Bridget, and you like I'm

917
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: questioning my sexuality. I'm like, don't tell her that she's

918
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: gonna get such a big head. I don't want to

919
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: piss off her girlfriend either, right, Like we're all such

920
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: good friends. But yeah, she was kind of like my

921
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: Shirpa in a way. So I told her when I

922
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: moved back to LA she took me to all these

923
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: queer events like two.

924
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: I guess I wouldn't think it's interesting you said I

925
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: was questioning my sexuality because people question their faith. Yeah,

926
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: people question their careers, different things in their lives. And

927
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: so you actually like had a moment where you were

928
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: questioning your sexuality, which is not something that most people

929
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: even indulgent, not that it's an indulgence that they even

930
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: allow themselves to think because of where they the way

931
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: that they grew up, or where they live or what

932
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: their lives are. That's an interesting thing.

933
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 2: Sorry, And I was I was thirty at the time.

934
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: In bridget is like very much. She's like so cool.

935
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: She lives in the East side like of LA if

936
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: anyone knows anything about that, like grew up in Seattle.

937
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: She's just herself. She's not really like one way like

938
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: super masculine, super feminine. She's just herself. She's just you

939
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yes, And it's like okay, exactly,

940
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's that's everyone's goal. I feel

941
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: like that's Robbie. I feel like that's me. Like we're

942
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: just like very comfortable being who we are. So I

943
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: feel like that kind of opened up my mind too,

944
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: Like she wasn't like a stereotype, right. So we met

945
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: outside of a bar. Bridget's girlfriend is a fan of

946
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: Robbie's comedy. I had seen her on podcasts and like

947
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: knew that she did stand up and they know I'm

948
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: attracted to humor, so they Kyle Bridget's girlfriend, oh my god,

949
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 2: she's also going to die. As we were walking out,

950
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: Kyle wingmanned Robbie went up to Robbie. You have to

951
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: let her tell the story too, because like it's like whatever,

952
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: really funny when she tells it. But and Robbie was

953
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: kind of like questioning like Kyle's intentions. She's like, have

954
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: I met you before?

955
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: Do you think there was an intention of a setup?

956
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: But not at all.

957
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: Kyle was wanted to introduce Robbie to me, so that

958
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: was a setup, but it was like happenstance.

959
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: We just happened because she thought she'd be in to you.

960
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: But she would she have thought that you would be

961
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: into her. It wasn't even that well thought out. Yeah no, no,

962
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: he'll think she's hot. Yes, nobody knew.

963
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: They were like I don't even know if this is

964
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: Gabby's tight, but like we're gonna just like see. I

965
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of it is like, you know.

966
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: Oh, so your friends were really thinking there was a

967
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: chance that you might want to yeah, oh yeah, venture out.

968
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: Yes.

969
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: Oh.

970
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: At this point, I was like trying to like date girls.

971
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to explore my sexuality. I had

972
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: been on a date with a woman I was on Riya. Oh,

973
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: so I was like, I want to give it a shot,

974
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: and like I liked being on a date with it.

975
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: But this was quiet. No one knew in Bachelor Nation

976
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: or the public or just your friends.

977
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: I didn't put on Instagram, just like I wouldn't put

978
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: anything like our first date really, but we would were

979
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 2: in public and queer events like they there's like line

980
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: dancing every Thursday, and people have seen me there. I

981
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: was like getting DMS and stuff.

982
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: So but there was a time when you be right,

983
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: but you weren't. There was a time when you came out.

984
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: No one really knew what you were doing. You're just

985
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: hanging out with different types of people.

986
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: It was like I was out in my personal life,

987
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: like all my family knew, all my good friends knew

988
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: r I were pushing in public, but it's like no

989
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 2: one out at us. Luckily, which was another reason why

990
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: we had to do it okaycause it was like, you know,

991
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: we really obviously took to each other.

992
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: So you meet outside and what yes, okay.

993
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: So Robbie had no idea what this what Kyle like

994
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 2: wanted to do with her. She's like, do I know you?

995
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: What do you want with me? And then she like

996
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: looked over at me. She's like, who's that girl? And

997
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, you might recognize her like from TV.

998
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: And Robbie was like, she kind of looks familiar. I

999
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: don't know. And Kyle was like, she was the bachelorette.

1000
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: And then Robbie came right over. She's like, what's this

1001
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: The Bachelorette's gay? What's going on? Like had us all

1002
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: eating out of the palm of her hand, just like

1003
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: kind of you know, witting us over with her charisma

1004
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: and her humor, was asking me all these like she

1005
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: was like, how old are you I'm like, I'm thirty two.

1006
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: She's like, what's going on? My friends were like speaking

1007
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: for me because I was just like kind of stunned.

1008
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, right, we were all like kind of drunk whatever,

1009
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: and my friends were like she's exploring. Robbie's like how

1010
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: old are you? And I was like, I'm thirty two,

1011
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: and she was like, okay, you're gay, Like nobody explores

1012
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: this late in life. Really yeah, She's like, okay, if

1013
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 2: you're like making this big of moves like you're gay,

1014
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: and then ask.

1015
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: Her do you agree with that? Do you think that

1016
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: nobody explores us late in life?

1017
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: Ummm, I don't know. No. I think it was probably

1018
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: just her like very like sly, but she like obviously

1019
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: just wanted to date me, right, so she was like

1020
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: waiting me over, like you know, throwing it all on

1021
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: me at one and she's like I'm not gonna lie, Gabby,

1022
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: like I want your number. That's how he left things,

1023
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: and then she like literally rushed home. She keeps her planner,

1024
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: a physical planner because she's like a boomer and like

1025
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: gets time zones confused, right, So she ran home.

1026
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: I wonder if she ever had a file effects the best.

1027
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: I love a physical planner, by the way, oh my god.

1028
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: She probably loves it. Yeah, and then we went on

1029
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: our first date and the rest is history.

1030
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: So you've been inseparable since your vers day pretty much.

1031
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1032
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get into the brass tacks. Now, Okay,

1033
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: this is a monogamous relationship, yes, and you've discussed that.

1034
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my god right away, Like lesbians are so monogamous.

1035
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: Monogamy is for lesbians.

1036
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: Monogamy is for lesbians. You is more jealous.

1037
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm pretty jealous. She I think she could be too.

1038
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 2: We're both learning about each other, but we're both open

1039
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 2: about it. Like it's like we don't hide our jealousy.

1040
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: Now, how are you controlling the excitement of you obviously

1041
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: opening Pandora's box for the first time, being madly in

1042
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: love the pheromones, the oxytope, like everything's going and making

1043
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: sure that you don't go. Sometimes when something goes so fast,

1044
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that, it crashes and burns,

1045
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: but it's hard to sustain that. We've all been through that,

1046
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: where like you can't believe you can't breathe, you know,

1047
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: you have goosebumps, and yeah, it's like you can't. You

1048
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: don't want to be without the person. You think it's

1049
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: gonna be like that forever, but real life gets in

1050
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: the way and careers and summer, So how do you

1051
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: guys manage that and what life will bring and navigating

1052
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: just what this all is. This is gotta be a

1053
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: lot for you to process.

1054
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is. And I think we're both very

1055
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: level headed when it comes to it. And like in

1056
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: the beginning, I was, I've you know, I've been through

1057
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: it all, like it's like I was in therapy because

1058
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: I think I still had a lot of shame surrounding it.

1059
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: So I'm like I had to work through that before

1060
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: I could really like go in this relationship guns blazing.

1061
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 2: And then we were spending a lot of time together

1062
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 2: like lesbians do and new love, and I'm like, I

1063
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: don't know if this is just convenient or I'm really

1064
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: into it, And then things kind of started to flow

1065
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: down and we're open about it, you know, like we

1066
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: are community. They always say communication, but it's like our

1067
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: communication is really we work on it every day, and

1068
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: we really treat our relationship like a bubble, like we

1069
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: want to protect it. It's its own being. It's its

1070
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: own entity. We have to treat it separate. It's like

1071
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: we can't just like let one person fend for themselves.

1072
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: It's like, this isn't the agreement that we're making, And

1073
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: like we're both like have our shit together. We're both

1074
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: very driven and career minded. So it's like the other

1075
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: day I was like, honestly, it's amazing we're both like

1076
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: up in a float in our careers because we do

1077
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: spend so much.

1078
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: So true your boat, all boats are rising with a

1079
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: tide right now. This is good. You can help each

1080
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: other in different ways.

1081
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Right, But it's like I respect her work so much.

1082
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: She grinds, she's out doing stand up every night, and

1083
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 2: I want her to like I want her because that's

1084
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: what comes first, and I know she's going to be

1085
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: supportive in mine. But we're just so like we do

1086
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: work trips together, like we happen to be in New York.

1087
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: Like we don't want kids and you don't want kids.

1088
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: No, oh, that's a decision you made together and you

1089
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: had that well.

1090
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: Both of us didn't want them separately.

1091
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: Interesting, I don't think I knew that did that was

1092
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: that discussed on The Bachelor? No? Interesting? See that how

1093
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: you think about these things that aren't discussed on The

1094
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: Bachelor from do you want to be in an open relationship?

1095
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's all I was saying. It was like,

1096
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: I was like, if I met the right person, then

1097
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: maybe I would have kids, Like honestly, Robbie, I would

1098
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: love to see little Robbie's and I would love to

1099
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: see her as the mom because she's so hilarious and

1100
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: she's so present. But it's like we both had tumultuous childhood.

1101
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: We've both been through so much as kids, Like we

1102
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: want to be kids now we are kids. We play

1103
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: so much. We want to be able to have room

1104
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: for ourselves and really treat our relationship like our childs,

1105
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: like that is our priority. We want to throw all

1106
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: of our resources into like protecting it and growing it

1107
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: and nurturing it.

1108
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: And what about pets.

1109
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: I have a dog, she has a cat. Oh yeah,

1110
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: how do they get along? They don't right now. So

1111
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: we're like reading lots of material.

1112
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: You need a therapist for them, Yeah we do, and

1113
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: hoping for the best season.

1114
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 2: The dog whisper. Yeah. Okay.

1115
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: So Sally Hirschberger, the hairstylist, once said to me that

1116
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to be a lesbian because they steal

1117
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: all your shit. No, so do you guys borrow each

1118
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: other's clothes or hair stuff for anything or nothing? Because

1119
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: I would not. I'm on into that.

1120
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: No me either, But it's like it's different when it's

1121
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: a girl. Like even when I was dating.

1122
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: Guys, man wasn't borrowing your hair?

1123
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they would get into my shampoo conditioner.

1124
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, can you pay me ten dollars each pump?

1125
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: Like that is so expensive and you don't appreciate it.

1126
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: No, you have seventy five colors in your hair. It's

1127
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: a maintenance project.

1128
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: Really literally, Wait, that's like liquid goal.

1129
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: So you'll let her borrow your shampoo?

1130
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: Yes?

1131
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 1: Or use your shampoo? Yeah?

1132
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: Because it's like I've loved I love her like I've

1133
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: never loved anything. Like I hate sharing. I don't really

1134
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: share food like I don't.

1135
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: Well, i'll share some food. It has to be like

1136
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: I don't.

1137
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: It has to be known to share. It's a share.

1138
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: But that's what I think. Yeah, you know there's four pieces, right,

1139
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: there's guess when it's clear. I agree when there's a

1140
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: big pile because my fiance eats more quickly I'm not

1141
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 1: a fast eater.

1142
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 2: Yes, so he'll just eat and it's.

1143
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: Like, wait a minute. And I didn't, like, I don't

1144
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: want to grab everything because I'll be sick. But it's

1145
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: like right, He'll be like, I'm just sitting back and

1146
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: waiting to see what you're gonna do. I'm like, no,

1147
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to be have the brusher

1148
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: of telling you what I'm gonna do with that food now.

1149
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: So yes, I want to do it on my own time. Yes,

1150
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: you get it.

1151
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: Yes, I really get the sharing of the food. Oh

1152
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: my god, I will Paul will buy me an arimez

1153
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: bag and then they'll be like some vegan bar or

1154
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: some weirdo thing. And I got that he would never want.

1155
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: We and we were in the store recently. It's Cierella

1156
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: and we walking and he said, you know what, I

1157
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: don't do any more. I don't need bars, Like I

1158
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: make a big statement. I'm like, okay, yeah, And then

1159
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: they were these weird healthy bars and then in the house,

1160
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: I only bought a couple because he said he doesn't

1161
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: any bars. Right, So he comes out of the pantry

1162
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: and he's eating. I'm like, what do you do?

1163
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: What are you doing. Yeah, those are my bar. No,

1164
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: we just discussed this.

1165
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: You said you don't need fours and now so yeah,

1166
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: he could literally buy me an Arab's bag. But on

1167
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: the same day, Like, what are you doing about the

1168
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: bar right now? No?

1169
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: Actually, I know there's some stuff that's off limits. My

1170
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: heavy on water. Heavy on water really well, why because

1171
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: it's so good and it buys by the pack. It's

1172
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: so good. It's my favorite water.

1173
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: I can't believe you care about branded water.

1174
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: I don't. I only care about the same and coming

1175
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: from Colorado, it's no big deal. But if I get

1176
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: my hands on an Evyon or if I go in La,

1177
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: you can't drink the tap water.

1178
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: You really can't if you've put a filter thing on

1179
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: your thing.

1180
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: No, yes, and it's so annoying and like it doesn't

1181
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: go on rentals. So I buy Evyon When I was

1182
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: on Dancy with the Stars by like the twelve that.

1183
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: Mean you can't drink the wa What does that mean?

1184
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: You're gonna die?

1185
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: Like it's water. It's like La, it's so point I

1186
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: need to.

1187
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: Get what's gonna ever sew is cigarettes and drinking alcohol?

1188
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen?

1189
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: It's water?

1190
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: People, don't have water. I just drink any water.

1191
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: But when you find out, let me know, because I'm

1192
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: way too lazy, and I will trust that the water's

1193
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: bad for you, you.

1194
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: Know, because you're here today. We got cases of water.

1195
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: And is that my fancy water? Said that must love it?

1196
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: Turn it.

1197
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: I think I want to see the brand comes it's

1198
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: not good enough for me.

1199
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: Look I drink well, no, that looks expensive. That looks

1200
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: more expensive than I know.

1201
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: It's not about the brandy. It's about the taste.

1202
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: I can't I won't go.

1203
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: I will fight to the death anyways, like the shampoo.

1204
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so who pays?

1205
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: What?

1206
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: What do we do about the finances?

1207
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: So we split on split across the board. Yeah, she's

1208
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: on strike right now. She's a writer.

1209
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: Okay.

1210
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, I don't it's I don't

1211
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 2: know if it's like I don't really want to buy

1212
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: into gender norms. I think it's even like that within

1213
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: the lesbian community. It's like, you know, Robbie's a little

1214
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: more masculine like, but I'm like, we don't need to

1215
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: be doing.

1216
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: That, Like I shouldn't relate to money because she's a

1217
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: little masculine.

1218
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: Right, And she doesn't exactly. It's like I'm with a

1219
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 2: woman because like I'm I feel more emotionally connected because

1220
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: I you know, I feel safer, like with your soul,

1221
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: I like your being. Like women, you don't have to

1222
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: explain a layer of each other. We know what it's

1223
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: like to be a woman, like we think more similarly.

1224
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: I'm not with you because like I want you to

1225
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: pay for everything, right, and I do well, So it's

1226
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: like it's fine. I feel like everything's very fair.

1227
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: Everything's fair. Do you want to get legally married? Yes

1228
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: you do? Yeah, okay, yeah, interesting why.

1229
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: Once I think like I don't. I think it's just

1230
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 2: like another way that we get to commit to each other.

1231
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 2: So maybe like my views will change. I don't really

1232
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: have political views on it, but I think for us,

1233
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: like I get to be a little more romantic and

1234
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: cheesy with girls. I feel like we are the most

1235
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 2: Like if you read our text messages, you saw every

1236
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: five seconds, it's like babe, babe, babe, We're like we

1237
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: love you so much. We're like do you miss me?

1238
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: We're like right, We're always holding each other, Like you

1239
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 2: just get to be a lot more softer and loving.

1240
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: So it's like she asked me to be your girlfriend

1241
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 2: with the ring pop and like we can really yeah,

1242
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: and that's so cute, so cute. Two weeks in and

1243
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 2: she wrote me a little card. Yeah, we are always

1244
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: giving each other cards. She got me these earrings for

1245
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: my three our three month anniversary.

1246
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: Which is a big one, a big one.

1247
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we celebrate every month, so it's like we're in it. Yeah,

1248
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: but like if a dude were to do that to me, disgusting,

1249
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: turned off. Yeah, you're yea sweat, you're in an animal. Yeah, like,

1250
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: do not act like that.

1251
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: Stop sweat to me, I'm turned off. That's yeah, amazing, right,

1252
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: So what about the sex. There's new hardware, Yeah, things

1253
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: to learn, well, not really new because I have one.

1254
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: So I would go to say that you're not like

1255
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: a familiar hardware. Well, I mean, any you haven't been

1256
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: trying and you can test yourself for years, So I'm saying, yeah,

1257
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean maybe maybe I have I don't have. You

1258
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: are a dancer, yeah, exactly, you're a gumby. I don't know,

1259
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: all right, but new hardware to work with, I think.

1260
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think like also, I feel safer with

1261
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: the woman. I feel less judge and I feel like

1262
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: I feel like there doesn't have to be there's nothing

1263
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: off limits. If I have a question, I'm going to

1264
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: ask before after during we like will debrief on our

1265
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: sex life. You know, it feels just like very safe.

1266
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: Where As a man, I felt like there was sometimes

1267
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: unrealistic expectations. I felt like there was unsaid expectations.

1268
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: You're in your own head, yes, and you don't know

1269
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: what someone's thinking.

1270
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: And that's interesting because we weren't just like as open

1271
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: about it, like we weren't speaking the same language. I

1272
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 2: didn't feel as connected. So I feel like that part

1273
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: has been like really freeing for me.

1274
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that makes a

1275
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: lot of sense. It's like this one thing. People will

1276
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: talk about anything, but you don't often talk about sex

1277
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: to your partner.

1278
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: It seems strange. Yes, you know, it seems.

1279
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: Like a weird topic because it seems you're not supposed

1280
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: to talk about sex in bed and you're not, then

1281
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do, like at lunch just.

1282
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 2: Like let's talk about right. It can be awkward, yeah, exactly,

1283
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: and with us like, yeah, it's a little awkward, but

1284
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: it's like it's worth it because we want to talk

1285
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 2: about everything, and we want to make sure the other

1286
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 2: person is pleased and happy. Like sex is fun, yeah,

1287
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: and it's it's freeing, it's liberating, especially when you do

1288
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 2: it with someone that you feel safe with.

1289
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: Yes, you have to feel safe and trusting at the

1290
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: one hundred percent then it really that's so true, And

1291
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: you have to respect the other person. I feel like, yes,

1292
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: you have to respect somebody to be sexually attracted to them.

1293
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: I think, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, And like I've dated,

1294
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 2: Like I went through my phase in my twenties where

1295
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: it's like I slept around. I was like, I'm doing

1296
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: this for me, like, don't slut shame me. But it's

1297
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 2: like is it that or like was I kind of

1298
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: manipulated into this thinking because like that's what the men

1299
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 2: were doing and I wanted attention.

1300
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: It's funny because the word I've I've once called someone

1301
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: a name and and have been have been said to

1302
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: have slut shamed them. And I think about that as

1303
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: a term in general, just because if someone decides to

1304
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: sleep around with a bunch of people, yeah, are we

1305
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: and sometimes cheating? And are we supposed to respect that?

1306
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: Like?

1307
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to think that's great? That doesn't mean

1308
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: that I don't have to think that's great. Maybe I

1309
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: don't have to use a word to assign to it,

1310
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: but I don't have to think that's great necessarily. Like

1311
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't have to think that's a great idea any

1312
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: more than I do someone just you know, cursing out

1313
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: everybody around them, like just like you're curse shaming. Like

1314
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to not think that that's a great idea

1315
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: for my daughter, For example, I don't want her to

1316
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: sleep with a bunch of different people.

1317
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, I think it's just like I think we

1318
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: all need to understand actually the intentions of her actions.

1319
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: Like it's like I felt like I was standing up

1320
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: to the men and it was like internalized misogyny almost

1321
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: like I can be just like you, and like even

1322
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: though I felt empowering, yes, but it wasn't. It was

1323
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: sad and it was desperate for me, Like, but that's

1324
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: for me coming out on the other side, you know,

1325
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: And it's like no, oh, I was just so down

1326
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: bad and I wanted attention and like I used that

1327
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: like as escape goes.

1328
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: I've seen that a lot. I remember the girls that

1329
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: I grew up with that were very advanced and very

1330
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: what we called promiscuous. And I see they were hot

1331
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: and it seemed like they acted like they were in control,

1332
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: but there was a sadness. I get what you're saying

1333
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: right right, and can be confused.

1334
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: And it's just because and like now I know sex,

1335
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: it's like I need an emotional connection, and with Robbie,

1336
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: I feel very emotionally connected.

1337
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: Yes, So what did Eric say someone you were engaged to,

1338
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: your family knew? What did he say?

1339
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: Nothing? Not a peep. Haven't heard a word really, Yeah,

1340
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: from like a lot of my previous ex boyfriends, I

1341
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: haven't heard anything.

1342
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: Really not, just like I'm so glad to see you're

1343
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: happy or congratulations.

1344
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: No, I think either they're all taking it personally or

1345
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: I have noticed, like even with I saw some friends

1346
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: this last weekend, some nurses. We went to Vegas for

1347
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: the Beyonce concert, and like they were amazing. It was

1348
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: so great. She's literally an earth angel. She's like so

1349
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: flawless right beyond why. But they're like, we're getting all

1350
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 2: these text messages from my previous co workers like did

1351
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: you know, Like what do you think? Instead of like

1352
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: texting me directly?

1353
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: I find that too. Congratulations it's funny you say that.

1354
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: Ye're just wow interesting you know anything?

1355
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: I know.

1356
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: I find that all the time. Yeah, so many people

1357
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: will be talking about something. I won't get one text

1358
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: about something.

1359
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: Yes, very when I'm Bachelor, Bachelotte, Dancing with the Stars,

1360
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: my phone would blow up after anything. And now it's like,

1361
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: I'm clearly so happy, Like I'm like like, thank god,

1362
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 2: we did this, we get to we have another reason

1363
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: to celebrate our relationship.

1364
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: Like you want to see the text now, not that

1365
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: dancing with the Stars. You want somebody to say, I'm

1366
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: so that's so fascinating. You think that maybe that the

1367
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: men feel like not only rejected, but that they must

1368
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: have been defective or something because after being with them,

1369
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: now you've gone to be with a woman. Do you

1370
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: know how that happens? Sometimes people feel like they took

1371
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: that personally.

1372
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh there's something going on. I don't know what

1373
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: because it's like I'm so new to it and I

1374
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: don't I cannot understand and men, but I'm sure it's

1375
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: personal and their egos hurt. That's all I know about him.

1376
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: Well, they we'll find out after that. This will be

1377
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: Now I'm invested in knowing what the real answer is

1378
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: about that. And what about so your grandfather was like

1379
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: a breakout character, right, yes, what about him? He's got

1380
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: to be old school? Yeah, what does he think?

1381
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 2: He honestly like we haven't talked about it. I know,

1382
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: like Bachelor Nation is going to be like, but it's

1383
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: like he's eighty five, like let him live.

1384
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: Right, And that's also if he thinks he doesn't want

1385
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: to talk about having sex with a man either.

1386
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: For the most story, like he's never asking me who

1387
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm dating guy or girl? Exactly right.

1388
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: He's on the show and that was fun, but he's

1389
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: not really talking about are you connected or you right?

1390
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: Like he's my grandpa, Like you know, he'll like slip

1391
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: a check, like we'll have a laugh, kind of talk

1392
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: about his previous life. He's lived a million lives. But

1393
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: it's like not really like about me. Yeah, you don't

1394
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: need him to like, yeah, exactly.

1395
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be on this interview talking about

1396
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: how he feels about you being with a woman.

1397
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: Totally, it's not going to affect him. He's going to

1398
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: Bridge every Tuesday Thursday. Let the Man live.

1399
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: The man looks and you're high school friends people you

1400
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: grew up with everything, like every you feel, is there

1401
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: anybody that you feel strange around or weird or uncomfortable

1402
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: or knowing it like being like I wonder if they know.

1403
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: I think not like not specifically and not strange, but

1404
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: I do feel like people don't really know how to

1405
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: ask questions. They're like kind of afraid or think I'm

1406
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: different or somehow have changed like completely. I'm like no,

1407
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: I'm literally exactly the same, if anything, like I'm more

1408
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 2: myself because you know, when you're in a good relationship,

1409
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: it gives you the confidence to like really be yourself. Yes,

1410
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: so I felt that, but they're just like it's I

1411
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: don't think they're less interested. I think they don't know

1412
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: how to be interested and don't want to hurt my

1413
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: feelings because just like every other taboo topic like in

1414
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 2: our country, like race and class, like people are just

1415
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: like afraid or they're going to say the wrong way exactly.

1416
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: We've done that to people.

1417
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true.

1418
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 2: I know.

1419
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: It's so funny because people act like they're so we're

1420
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: so honest and open now, and it's not true because

1421
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: no everyone says that. You just say it, but everybody

1422
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: gets crucified for saying anything, for saying a word wrong,

1423
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: for getting a term wrong.

1424
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: And that's right.

1425
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: Everyone's stifled now and secretly talks about how they really

1426
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: feel instead of openly saying something. Maybe someone says something

1427
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: wrong to you, like I could say something wrong here

1428
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: with the language I'm using, you know, Or in another conversation,

1429
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: is she a that you may not know the right

1430
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: words and you get killed for something you just didn't

1431
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: know because you're ignorant. And if you spend all your

1432
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: time studying something, you wouldn't even be able to be

1433
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: open in life.

1434
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: No, exactly, and then you're so afraid. And that's why

1435
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: I feel like Robbie and I like talk so much

1436
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: ad nauseum about everything, but we have similar enough in

1437
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: different views. We're both very like nothing's personal. It does

1438
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: come from like a lack of education, not even that,

1439
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 2: but a lack of experience, Like it is truly hard

1440
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: to explain my experience to someone because you haven't been there.

1441
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: And part of it's a new language, it's a different language,

1442
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: and it's totally fine, right, Like it's okay.

1443
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: I understand that there's gonna be a little of that disconnect.

1444
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: So this is a very this has been and we're

1445
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: gonna have Robbie coming now like a lot. It's a long,

1446
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: breathing conversation. I didn't see it, but I heard, like

1447
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: the first time you talked about this was on the View,

1448
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: which is who told you to do that? I'm just

1449
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: curious because I've been on the View. Oh yeah, yeah,

1450
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: and I just wonder who told you to do that

1451
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: or something.

1452
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 2: No, I have close relationships with the people who over

1453
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: to say yeah, And I didn't want to do a

1454
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 2: serious interview like Gma, like this doesn't need to be

1455
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 2: like a serious like I'm a light person. It's not

1456
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: like a deep journalistic deep dive. It's like it's not

1457
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: like I don't want to talk about my past. I

1458
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 2: just like want to be able. I need to stop

1459
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: somewhere and let people know I'm dating a woman, because

1460
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: my fan base in particular knows my for dating men.

1461
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: That was where the first stop was what happened on

1462
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: the View.

1463
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great interview. I think like

1464
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: it's a panel. I think there's different personalities. That's why

1465
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: the view is the view, and they have like a

1466
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: group of women with different perspectives. So I really don't

1467
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: think I think they were great. I said what I

1468
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 2: need to say, and like I can hold my own like,

1469
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't need I'm the same. Yes, I don't need

1470
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: somebody to like baby me or be like oh my god,

1471
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: like oh you're lesbian. It's like, no, I'm here to

1472
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: like tell my story. I already feel empowered. This already

1473
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: feels good that you're giving me a chance to say this,

1474
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: or other people would write my own story for me now.

1475
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: But I'm like you, I like a little heat in

1476
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, I like a little like I don't

1477
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: need to like look at questions hit me. You like it,

1478
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: you got your challenge by it, you enjoy it interesting. Yeah, okay,

1479
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: what made you come to talk to me? I'm so flattered.

1480
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm so honored.

1481
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: No, me too, thank you for having me. I think

1482
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: we were thinking, like obviously, I want to be able

1483
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: to discuss it in a long form way, like just naturally,

1484
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 2: as a person, I have a lot of thoughts, I

1485
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 2: have a lot of opinions. I'm naturally introspective. This is

1486
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: something different that's happened to me later in life, so

1487
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: like I would love to be able to talk about it,

1488
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: especially since it's so different from my history. And my

1489
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 2: publicists really highly of you.

1490
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: Oh nice, awesome, all right, well tell her thank you.

1491
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I and love iHeart like I've worked with them before.

1492
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yes, have you thought about podcasting?

1493
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: Yes, we're we're shopping right now.

1494
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: Are you doing one together or are you gonna do

1495
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Speaker 1: one on you? Yes? She? How do you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about? And I think that be great. I like

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Speaker 1: there's something that I don't know, like it's not doesn't

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Speaker 1: define you, but something about the exploring your sexuality thing.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting jumping off point of our podcast,

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Speaker 1: so we could talk about it.