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Speaker 3: Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselback five minutes away.

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Speaker 3: It's The Herd.

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Speaker 1: We're live in Chicago tonight, Monday Night Football. I think

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Speaker 1: the Raiders and Chargers is gonna be really interesting. I

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Speaker 1: think it's close. Kansas City gets a break. Denver gave

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Speaker 1: a game away and either the Raiders or the Chargers

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Speaker 1: are losing tonight. So a little bit of a break

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Speaker 1: for the Kansas City Chiefs, who have been the reigning

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Speaker 1: dynasty in this league. But we got young quarterbacks struggling

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 3: What are they? Jmac?

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Speaker 1: What a fun, fun weekend. It was like college football weekend.

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Speaker 1: Chicago is losing patients fast with Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of like Clemson's losing faith quickly in their coach.

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Speaker 4: We gotta get to that on Wednesday with Clatt if

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Speaker 4: he drops.

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Speaker 1: By, here we go Colin Wright, Colin wrong on a Monday,

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Speaker 1: plenty of both.

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Speaker 3: Let's begin where Colin was right. Well, the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: We predicted that they would be thin offensively, and they

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Speaker 1: may make the playoffs, but it will only be as

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Speaker 1: a wild card team.

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Speaker 3: They're just not as explosive.

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Speaker 1: Some of that is the Rashi Rice suspension and that

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Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy injury. I think they will get better offensively,

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Speaker 1: but Travis Kelsey's last two weeks he heard a teammate

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Speaker 1: and then dropped that Cats, which became almost a pick six.

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Speaker 1: They cannot run the ball. The Holmes, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: is like keeping the lights on in this shopping mall.

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Speaker 1: He's the only thing that's working. So we called this regression.

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Speaker 1: You probably called it too. Where Colin was wrong. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think Caleb Williams was necessarily going to be a superstar.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think it would look like this. His passer

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Speaker 1: rating now is lower than Spencer Rattler. And we know

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Speaker 1: it's not Ben Johnson because his first two opening drives

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Speaker 1: he's two for two or two touchdowns. So when he's

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Speaker 1: on script, he's been excellent, but ad libs too much,

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Speaker 1: holds the ball too long, which is a problem for

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Speaker 1: some young quarterbacks, and then too often just throws it

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Speaker 3: It is much worse than I would have thought.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right, I.

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Speaker 1: Said, Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers will look like a

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Speaker 1: glossier version of Aaron Rodgers to the Jets.

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Speaker 3: They won't be able to run the ball.

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Speaker 1: It'll be a team that makes mistakes and loses games

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Speaker 1: they should win. And the defense, though expensive, won't be

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Speaker 1: as dominant as you think it could be. And oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Aaron after the game, just like he didn't, New York

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Speaker 5: Cayle's the best kid ever. But he probably should have

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Speaker 5: just stayed in the flat there he knows it, I mean,

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Speaker 5: or he was kind of stealing it from Pat, or

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Speaker 5: just catch you put it away, score a touchdown. But

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Speaker 5: Cal's the best kid, and you know it sucks because

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Speaker 5: he's such a great kid. But unfortunately that whole sequence,

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Speaker 5: you know, took points off the board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I had Denver winning the AFC West. They were sloppy

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: They have really bad, dumb penalties, a lot of self

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Speaker 2: Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: When I put green Bay number one of my herd higherarchy,

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Speaker 3: They're not that good. You're overreacting.

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Speaker 1: Then they went out two nights later and crushed the

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Speaker 1: Washington Commanders. Green Bay is absolutely the most complete team

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Speaker 1: Micah found a perfect team. They have depth, they have

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Speaker 1: remember seeing where Colin was raw the Texas Longhorns. I

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Speaker 1: they are struggling offensively arch Manning and this offense is unwatchable.

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Speaker 1: They've got injuries, but I mean, who are we kidting here?

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Speaker 1: UTEP doesn't have a player that Texas would recruit, and

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Speaker 2: Off where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel oh and two job in jeopardy, and I

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Speaker 1: think both Chris Jear the GM, Chris Greer the GM,

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Speaker 1: isn't good. The O lines a perpetual problem. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: special teams were even bad against the Patriots. The cultures wrecked.

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Speaker 1: The Bills are up next on Thursday Night Football, so

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Speaker 1: presumably they're oh and three. From the very beginning, I

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Speaker 1: questioned if it was all about the sizzle and was

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Speaker 1: I getting any stake, And as of today, I don't

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Speaker 1: when Nico im Aliava transferred from Tennessee. I said, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Tennessee's a football factory. They got NFL

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Speaker 1: dudes everywhere. You don't transfer out of Tennessee to UCLA.

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Speaker 1: That's a huge mistake. And it was again. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying Tennessee is Georgia, but Tennessee is a football factory.

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Speaker 1: They care, they're committed. UCLA's football nil is at the

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Speaker 1: I feel terrible for the kid. I think he got

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Speaker 1: bad advice. I think he's really talented, but getting routed

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Speaker 1: by New Mexico and if you watch the game, it

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Speaker 3: Is not good with that.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck eighteen years and the NFL is joining US live.

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Speaker 1: You know, Matt, it's interesting. I watched Philadelphia last night.

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Speaker 1: It just cracks me up. They're four and oh since

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Speaker 1: last season when they throw for under one hundred yards,

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Speaker 1: it's almost like Philadelphia that passing often gets them out

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Speaker 1: of their rhythm. AJ Brown had five catches for twenty

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Speaker 1: ugly football. It feels like to me they kind of

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I see a good football team.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I said this last year to you,

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Speaker 7: It doesn't feel like first and ten for Philly because

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Speaker 7: think it's an identity of who they want to be offensively.

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Speaker 7: And you know, when you play a great quarterback like

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Speaker 7: I remember doing this a lot, and go up against

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Speaker 7: a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or somebody, part of

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Speaker 7: your offensive philosophy is to just keep.

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Speaker 6: That guy on the bench.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and so like it's okay, you literally say it

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Speaker 7: in the meetings, like we're not going to try to

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Speaker 7: throw for three hundred yards this week or not, We're

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Speaker 7: it's the mindset. It's not so much about the actual numbers,

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Speaker 7: but it's the mindset. We're gonna keep their great quarterback

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Speaker 7: I believe it actually frustrates that great quarterback and helps

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk about so you know, listen Detroit,

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson leaves. It felt like Detroit said, all right,

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Speaker 1: always defended team. It's not Jimmy Johnson. It's not my

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Speaker 1: did feel like Detroit wanted to make a point by

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Speaker 3: Did it not?

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Speaker 6: I did.

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Speaker 7: I mean it almost felt personal, and I know it

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Speaker 7: wasn't personal, but you know, I think this is probably

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Speaker 6: You know, Ben Johnson said, Hey, I'm.

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Speaker 7: Going to try to downplay the fact that I'm going

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Speaker 7: know cause I don't want my team to feel that pressure.

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Speaker 7: I disagree with that that that that philosophy. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I remember being, you know, on the Green Bay Packers

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Speaker 6: We'd go back to Green Bay.

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Speaker 7: You see it with other different, you know, coaches when

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Speaker 7: the energy that it brings. It's almost like a playoff

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Speaker 7: And you know, the Bears just look flat. Detroit treated

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Speaker 7: And they came out and they looked like the team

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Speaker 1: You know, listen, you know this and I know this.

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Speaker 1: We've been married for a while. Is marriage is sacrifice

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Speaker 1: and it's.

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Speaker 3: Fit, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's like you see these Hollywood power couples and

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Speaker 1: they both have great careers and it doesn't work right.

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Speaker 1: It's not they're bad people. I look at Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: who is a timing and structure coach. He's got some Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: He likes structure and timing. And I look at Caleb,

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Speaker 1: He's looking for yards. And I know it's early Matt.

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Speaker 1: But it feels like from a fit standpoint, this may

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Speaker 6: Well for Caleb.

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Speaker 7: You better make it work because this is the best

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Speaker 7: play caller and head coach and quarterback whisper that you

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Speaker 7: really good preseason game and the theme of that game

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Speaker 7: was rhythm. And by rhythm, you're meaning how many hitches

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Speaker 7: the quarterback takes in the pocket. Is it one, two,

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Speaker 7: three balls out or is it just one?

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Speaker 6: The balls out?

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Speaker 7: And some of the great quarterbacks that play in an

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Speaker 6: It when you're just watching it.

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Speaker 7: You know, I think the other thing that you would

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Speaker 7: I would say to Caleb about Ben Johnson, just forget

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Speaker 7: So that's something that you know, the young quarterbacks I

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Speaker 3: And where not to?

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Speaker 1: I don't think every injury for Joe Burrow is always

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Speaker 7: If they're going to give him the weapons talking about

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Speaker 1: Finally, Mac Jones had his best game as a pro.

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Speaker 7: Well, if you were to talk to quarterbacks around the league,

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Speaker 3: I got to ask you this one more thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know your injury history, but I said, whoever

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Speaker 1: I always thought pro athletes off surgery had to play

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Speaker 7: The whole time he's on his feet, he's dapping up

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Speaker 1: by on a Monday. We still got a lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Mark Schlereth on that Bronco giveaway game, brutal.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think yesterday was a great day for officials.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Dean Blandino came out on the said,

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Speaker 1: I'm over it. It's a very hard play. I think

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Speaker 1: that that's going to seize. That's going to be the

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Speaker 1: end of the toush push in the off season when

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Speaker 1: they when they raise their hands for a vote. When

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Speaker 1: the officials say we can't really officiate it, we can't

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Speaker 1: really clearly see it. I think that's I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: the bottom line. A league starts with rules any sport

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Speaker 1: if I don't care what sport you are, if you're

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Speaker 1: creating the UFC twenty five years ago rules, and then

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Speaker 1: you have officials, right, here's our rules. Here's the people

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Speaker 1: who will officiate it, will teach them. Then we have

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Speaker 1: the athletes. When the rules and the officials are at

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Speaker 1: odds and the officials are saying, you know, we just

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Speaker 1: can't see where's the ball. I mean, the Philadelphia looks

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Speaker 1: like they're nudging off sides and getting a false start

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Speaker 1: and nobody's calling it.

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Speaker 3: That will be the end of it.

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Speaker 1: Because Philadelphia can say we invented it, nobody can stop it.

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Speaker 1: But if the officials are struggling to officiate a play,

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Speaker 1: that's dangerous, and I think that'll be the end the

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Speaker 1: toush push in the offseason.

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Speaker 4: Well wait a second, Yeah, for years the officials were like,

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Speaker 4: we don't know what it catches. I mean, the bobbling,

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Speaker 4: all this stuff. This is a little easier, Colin, just

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Speaker 4: because they ran it seven times yesterday and Chiefs fans

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Speaker 4: can't stop it. They're very upset. They're crying, why don't

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Speaker 4: we just put a chip in the football. That is

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Speaker 4: the easiest thing you can possibly do to get a

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Speaker 4: great spot. But people have been talking about this for years.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, can't the officials just huddle up

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Speaker 4: and be like, hey, let's have it. Let's have an

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Speaker 4: official meeting. And this is how we uh we we

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Speaker 4: adjust to what the toush push is and we make

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Speaker 4: sure we do a better job of it.

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Speaker 6: I don't like outlawing the.

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Speaker 4: Best play in football, the most automatic, unstoppable play.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why the rest just can't be better.

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Speaker 1: I don't love it either. But and for the record,

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Speaker 1: other teams have tried it and failed. He does not

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Speaker 1: look the same with everybody else.

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Speaker 4: I seen JJ McCarthy's trying last night. He's like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know what I'm doing. Like he looks scared to

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Speaker 4: kill Williams.

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Speaker 3: Forget it. He doesn't know what he's doing. It's not

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: So Travis Jason Kelsey retires best center in a decade,

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Speaker 1: and the tush push doesn't go backwards because what Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts is is the strongest quarterback pound for pound probably

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Speaker 1: in league history. There's been a lot of big guys

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Speaker 1: and a lot of tall guys and fast guys. How

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Speaker 1: many quarterbacks you know do a six hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: pound leg press, and I think a huge component to this.

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Speaker 1: He is shorter, he's stout, he's smaller. He gets an

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Speaker 1: incredible push. Now, their O line is excellent, but they

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Speaker 1: just lost the best center in a decade in the

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Speaker 1: sport and the tush push remains unstoppable. So it was

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Speaker 1: not Kelsey, It's Jalen Hurts who makes that puppy work.

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Speaker 4: By the way, the Chiefs have Creed Humphrey, one of

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Speaker 4: the best centers in the league. Why don't they run

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Speaker 4: our Dutchess Lust's just give it us out there, Pat, huh.

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Speaker 3: No, it's on.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is just a weird combination of you know,

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Speaker 1: diminutive size. So you can't get Josh Allen's the most

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Speaker 1: talented quarterback in the league. Justin Herbert. I've seen him try. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're six five. People can headhunt with Hertz head down,

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Speaker 1: huge leg strength.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing you can do. I mean, there's literally nothing

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Speaker 3: you can.

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Speaker 4: Let's revisit the Detroit Chicago game, Colin, because Ben Johnson

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Speaker 4: went home back to the lions Den since leaving for

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Speaker 4: the Bears this offseason and they got waxed. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 4: not his fault, but they got destroyed. Anyway, Brian branch

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Speaker 4: on the back end of the Detroit defense, he made

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Speaker 4: a great play yesterday He talked about getting revenge against

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Speaker 4: Ben in the post game.

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Speaker 3: Very motivated.

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Speaker 8: We know coming into this game that this is personal

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Speaker 8: really all these game personals, and but this one was

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Speaker 8: just we felt like we've been you know, betrayed from

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Speaker 8: the staff to the players, and you know, we we

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Speaker 8: love Ben.

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Speaker 3: We still love Ben.

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Speaker 8: He's a great, you know, coach, he has a he's

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Speaker 8: a great mastermind. But yeah, it was time to get

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Speaker 8: out to him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it went downhill really fast. And for the record,

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Speaker 1: I mean watching amor On Saint Brown and Jared Goff.

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Speaker 1: When you can work with a player like two committed

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Speaker 1: guys Goff and Amoran Saint Brown, and you can work

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Speaker 1: together for years and years because there's so much movement

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Speaker 1: jaymck in this league, quarterbacks and coaches and coordinators and

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Speaker 1: so even though Golf lost his coordinator, it's Jared Goff

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Speaker 1: and amor On Saint Brown. You can see the time

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Speaker 1: they have dedicated to the craft. Those guys know where

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Speaker 1: each other is going to be and that is a

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Speaker 1: that right now is one of the best combos in

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Speaker 1: the league. Amor On Saint Brown was a fourth round

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Speaker 1: pick and Jared Goff, you know, got jettison by the Rams.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I'll say this about Detroit, Dude, they

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Speaker 1: got weapons. They have drafted well because they got speed

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Speaker 1: everywhere on this team.

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Speaker 4: All right, So let's remember Bear's secondary was banged up,

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Speaker 4: got cooked against JJ McCarty in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: All right, so you knew golf was going.

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Speaker 6: To go off.

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Speaker 4: We talked about this. This was the biggest bet of

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Speaker 4: the weekend, easy lay up. The question is which Detroit

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Speaker 4: team is.

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Speaker 3: The real one?

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Speaker 4: The one that got spanked in Green Bay where they

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Speaker 4: didn't have any touchdowns until the final like three minutes,

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Speaker 4: or the one that opened a can and dropped fifty

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Speaker 4: five on the Bears. Where Which is the real Detroit

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Speaker 4: team this year? Or is it somewhere in.

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Speaker 1: The middle cup, Yeah, I think it's I think it

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Speaker 1: is a team that when Jared got because remember they

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Speaker 1: drafted interior offensive linemen and so offensive starters don't play

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Speaker 1: a ton.

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Speaker 3: Offensive lines don't play a ton in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: So you could make an argument is that Detroit opened

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Speaker 1: up against the best team in the league in Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: who was returning most of their team plus Michaeh Parsons.

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Speaker 1: So you had, you know, a Green Bay team that's

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Speaker 1: young but has played together against the Detroit team rebuilding

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Speaker 1: their interior line, and.

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Speaker 3: It got ugly fast.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 1: My take is as the offensive line develops, they're running backs,

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Speaker 1: their receivers, GoF, they're too talented not to score. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how good they are in the back end defensively,

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Speaker 1: but if Detroit can get the offensive line right, and

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Speaker 1: they have drafted incredibly well under this GM, is that

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Speaker 1: they're going to score points. They may lose shootouts, but

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Speaker 1: Detroit is more than capable of scoring.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so not to look too far ahead.

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Speaker 2: But Week three, Detroit.

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Speaker 4: Lions at the Baltimore Ravens Outdoors Monday Night Football. This

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Speaker 4: week great not great Colin. The last time they met,

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Speaker 4: it was an absolute massacre. And the line I'm seeing

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Speaker 4: is Ravens minus six. Yeah, I think that's a smash spot.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Outdoors, they're different. They had Ben Johnson last

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Speaker 4: time they went, and they got their butts kick. So

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Speaker 4: let's just let's settle down on Detroit and in fifty burger. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're gonna get hammered in Baltimore. Next up, what are

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Speaker 4: we doing here? Oh New York Giants Cowboys? Hell of

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Speaker 4: a game. Listen, two teams that aren't going anywhere.

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Speaker 6: But it was fun.

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Speaker 4: Billion lead changes in the fourth quarter, thrilling victory for Dallas.

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Speaker 4: They did not cover the spread though I like them big.

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Speaker 4: How about Russell Wilson bold out in fifty yards three

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Speaker 4: tuddies and we're not gonna hear about Jackson dart for

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Speaker 4: another all week. Malik Neighbors pointed out Russell Wilson's resilience,

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Speaker 4: adding he's capable of more. I don't know how much

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Speaker 4: more he can do than four fifty and three tudies.

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen that moon ball that he throwing it

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Speaker 4: through four of them. And first of all, what's up

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Speaker 4: with the Cowboys back into the defense?

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Speaker 3: They didn't realize it until overtime.

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Speaker 4: Hey, we need a safety over the top, guys. That

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Speaker 4: was a great finish, fun game. Giants could have used

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Speaker 4: Dub there because I mean.

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Speaker 1: The difference between Dak and Russell because they were both

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Speaker 1: amazing as Russell made the big mistake late and Dak

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Speaker 1: did not. Yeah, that was word of the game because

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Speaker 1: it could have gone. I mean, there were multiple times

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Speaker 1: in this game I thought the Giants were gonna win.

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Speaker 1: Three or four different times I thought the Giants had

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Speaker 1: it sealed and Dak would come back and drive him down. So,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you this. The Giants. We've said this,

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Speaker 1: j Maack. The Giants have talent. Oh, they've got a

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Speaker 1: couple of receivers that can run.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't want to hear.

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Speaker 6: The nine existant.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, now, without Andrew Thomas, their left tackle situation

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Speaker 1: is dire.

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Speaker 4: They benched an offensive lineman after first rate penalty, They

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Speaker 4: got some problems. Secondary was not great. But as you

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Speaker 4: pointed out earlier, hey, Dak was dealing. Oh that's two

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Speaker 4: weeks in a row. He's made some hell of a throws. Listen,

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Speaker 4: I know it's early. Dak looks like a top ten quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Right now, if by if we take it anything about

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Speaker 1: my predictions, Dallas is significantly better than I predicted, and

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Speaker 1: Denver has looked worse. Now, Denver did win a game over,

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Speaker 1: but Denver's looks sloppy and mistake filled. With Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: they've been disappointing to me. They gave the game away yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So Denver's not nearly as good as I predicted, and

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Speaker 1: Dallas has been significantly better. I was literally after the

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Speaker 1: Mica trade, my take was, we'll go draft a quarterback

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Speaker 1: and draft the next micap. This is the best Dak

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Speaker 1: I've seen, probably since year two.

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Speaker 6: He has so oh he was an MVP finalistic.

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Speaker 1: I know he was, but he is running like young

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Speaker 1: Dak on the rookie contract. That's what he looks like

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 4: It helps a Davonte Williams that little turn back the clock. Actually,

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Speaker 4: I thought week one was just luck. Came off a

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Speaker 4: big surgery. Yep, yeah, he looked good. Final story, Colin

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Speaker 4: is the Monday night football doubleheader. Bucks are in the

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Speaker 4: opener against the Texans and then the big one at

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Speaker 4: night at ten pm Eastern start.

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Speaker 2: Colin.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you feel about that.

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Speaker 6: Good thing.

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Speaker 4: You're not on the East Coast, but brock Bauers expected

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Speaker 4: to play tonight. Pete Carroll said he looked great over

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Speaker 4: the weekend. That's a huge get back. Chargers are minus

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Speaker 4: three and a half. I don't I haven't bet this

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Speaker 4: game yet. I'm actually leaning Raiders getting the hook.

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Speaker 1: I like Houston minus the points in the opener, I

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Speaker 1: think is the strongest play of the night.

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Speaker 3: I would take it.

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Speaker 1: I think Houston is gonna win and cover. I don't

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Speaker 1: know these division rivalry games. I think the Raiders at

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Speaker 1: home will play very tough, and I think it's a

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Speaker 1: three point game. I'll take the Chargers to win, but

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Speaker 1: I would take the Raiders in the point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like a twenty three to twenty type game.

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Speaker 6: Whoever has the ball last.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers face Denver next, So if they could beat

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Speaker 1: Kansas City and the Raiders and then get Denver next,

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Speaker 1: so this is a This is a great spot for

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Speaker 1: the Chargers to do some separating from Kansas City.

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Speaker 4: What are we gonna do quarterback rankings this season? You

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Speaker 4: should do an in season one. And I'm sorry Burrow

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Speaker 4: has to be out because he's not actually playing, because I'm.

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Speaker 6: Just telling you justin Herbert to me, it's only one game.

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Speaker 4: If he shows out well tonight, I think he could

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Speaker 4: take that Burroughs spot as fourth best quarterback.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Herbert looked.

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Speaker 3: That's good. I love Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: You love Joe Burrow, but Joe Burrow now is injury prone,

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly. Those are two words you have to acknowledge.

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields, by the way, is banged up again. Justin

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Speaker 1: well fair or not. Justin Fields puts himself in those positions.

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Speaker 1: So I always said, that's about Sam Darnold, who I loved.

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Speaker 1: Sam was reckless. Sam is not nearly as reckless as

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Speaker 1: he was four years ago. He was putting himself in

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Speaker 1: bad spots. And I mean I loved Andrew Locke, loved him,

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Speaker 1: but Andrew didn't play for another down. Andrew, I mean

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Speaker 1: he used to say, I don't feel like the game

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Speaker 1: starts until I've been hit. That's okay for a defensive end.

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Speaker 1: I don't want my quarterback having that mindset. So I

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Speaker 1: think with Joe Burrow, I mean, we've got to be

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Speaker 1: honest about this. He the thing you love about him

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Speaker 1: is he just never takes his eyes from downfield. In

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Speaker 1: a relentless pass rush. He will sit in there and

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Speaker 1: take shot after shot. Tony Romo did this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yet there's too late to tear it.

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Speaker 4: Up and be like, listen, this is what we've got

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Speaker 4: to do. You see what the Eagles did. They got

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Speaker 4: an offensive line and they got Jalen Hurts. We need

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Speaker 4: to put everything we've got into the offensive line. If

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Speaker 4: we got to give away Higgins, I think you got

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Speaker 4: to give away Higgins. I mean, honestly, if you're not

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Speaker 4: protecting your two hundred and seventy five million dollar investment,

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Speaker 4: what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Totally agree the offensive line is your insurance policy for

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Speaker 1: the Bentley the quarterbacks to Bentley, the o lines, the

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Speaker 1: insurance policy. I mean, it's really what it is. It's

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Speaker 1: not glamorous, but you gotta pay for it. Jmack with the.

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Speaker 2: News, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by

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Speaker 2: the lie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you can blame who you want, but

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about this next. How can the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers not understand a basic kickoff rule which really

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Speaker 1: gave the Seahawks momentum and the game.

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Speaker 3: They gave them a free touchdown. That's next.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: Sunday, a Fox NFL doubleheaders starts with a rematch of

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Speaker 4: last year's playoff classic between the Rams and Eagles or

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Speaker 4: other regional action. Then it's America's Game of the Week

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Speaker 4: as Dak and the Cowboys take on Caleb and the

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Speaker 4: Bear or carton Bill snyders Zeck localistics for the games

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Speaker 4: in your area only on Fox.

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Speaker 3: Cowboys Bears. That sounds like a big one. You try

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Speaker 3: to get me in trouble during a Reid laughing. Rams

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Speaker 3: Eagles will be unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: That will benev I'm telling you the pass rush that

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Speaker 1: the Rams put out there, and they don't have to

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Speaker 1: bring extra people. They just bring four guys and they

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Speaker 1: get a tremendous pass rush off the edge.

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Speaker 3: So it's uh, you know, Jalen hurts, but you.

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Speaker 1: Know Philadelphia again, Philadelphia's passing game gets in the way

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Speaker 1: of their offensive rhythm. So that that will be a

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Speaker 1: great game. Two great games on Fox Sunday. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know what to make of the Steelers. So there's

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Speaker 1: a basic rule in the NFL. We have a new

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Speaker 1: kickoff and I don't want to hear well, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of new kickoff rules. Here's the easy one. If

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Speaker 1: you kickoff and the ball lands between the twenty or

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Speaker 1: the back of the end zone, you gotta down it

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Speaker 1: right like you have to return it or down it.

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Speaker 1: It's a ball. At Pittsburgh rookie Caleb Johnson apparently didn't

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Speaker 1: know the rules. I don't think he touched it. But

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Speaker 1: Seattle knew live ball, so the road team certainly knew.

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Speaker 1: The kickoff team knew it was a live ball. But

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Speaker 1: once again, Mike Tomlin one of the criticisms, he's a

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Speaker 1: little loose on the details, heavy into motivation, always gets

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Speaker 1: his guys fired up. They're not good in the details. Oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, why can't they get the offensive line right?

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Speaker 1: That's probably the most detailed unit on a football team,

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Speaker 1: the symmetry and the chemistry and the cohesion on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Steelers can't get the offensive line right.

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Speaker 3: Aaron right.

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Speaker 1: And the second thing that worries me, this is the

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Speaker 1: most expensive defense in the league and they're terrible. They

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Speaker 1: given up four hundred yards a game in thirty one points.

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Speaker 1: Now again, one of those was a freebie they gave

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Speaker 1: to the Seahawks on the kickoff. Aaron Rodgers had a

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Speaker 1: couple of picks. They weren't great. The one in the

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Speaker 1: end zone was a bad deflection, and Aaron got a

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Speaker 1: little diff offensive when people came after him about the

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Speaker 1: week two loss.

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Speaker 2: It's weak two. Come on, then, come on, come on,

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Speaker 2: it's weak two.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like it's good for us last week. Probably

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Speaker 5: there's some people who are feeling feeling pretty good because

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Speaker 5: everybody outside the Billy is talking about how great we

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Speaker 5: were on offense and thirty four points. That's the league.

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Speaker 5: You can't ride the eyes or ride the lows. You know,

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Speaker 5: you got to refocus every single week and be a professional.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind the interceptions. I mean the one

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Speaker 1: was a bad deflection in the end zone. The other

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Speaker 1: one he's throwing the ball deep down the field and

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Speaker 1: he also had the throat of the tight end in

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Speaker 1: the red zone. He also had the throat of DK metcalf.

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Speaker 1: Were great throws, that is so Aaron. The question is

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Speaker 1: how often do you get into the red zone? Because

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Speaker 1: the Steelers can't run. And this is what I had

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Speaker 1: said from the very beginning is Pittsburgh is going to

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Speaker 1: be a glossier, better, more refined version of the Jets.

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Speaker 1: They won't have a defendable run game. The protection will

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Speaker 1: be hitt and miss. They have a couple of young

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Speaker 1: Jets do and now the Steelers do a couple of

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Speaker 1: young offfensive lineman kind of you know they're building the

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Speaker 1: centers great from West Virginia Fraser, but you know they're

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Speaker 1: kind of figuring out what they are. They can't get

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Speaker 1: the on line right. So defensively, everybody said before the season, Oh,

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Speaker 1: they're going all in on this team, all in on defense.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey's been pretty good. The defense stinks and you

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Speaker 1: can't be giving away touchdowns in this league.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's.

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Speaker 1: And listen, Aaron at this point in his career. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I said, dude, sit the year out, retire,

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Speaker 1: or go to Minnesota. This is not a great fit

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Speaker 1: for Aaron. Older quarterbacks need one or two things. Ample

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Speaker 1: and consistent protection. Pittsburgh can't provide that, and a consistent

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Speaker 1: run game. Pittsburgh average three yards of rush. So by

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Speaker 1: the way, Sam Darnold, Sam had a bad pick. Sam

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Speaker 1: can have picks, but Sam Donold second week in a row,

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Speaker 1: either one or was driving for the winning touchdowns. So

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Speaker 1: as you watched the Minnesota Vikings last night, they wanted

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Speaker 1: to sign re sign Sam Darnold, and you're watching what's

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Speaker 1: going on in Minnesota, and you're watching Seattle. Seattle's pretty

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Speaker 1: good football team right now. The Steelers are twenty ninth

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Speaker 1: in time per drive, and so there was a say, oh,

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Speaker 1: Aaron's going to solve the quarterback issues. They can't sustain

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Speaker 1: possessions because they can't run the football, and that was

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Speaker 1: an issue.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: There's certain things Aaron does very well. He sows a

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Speaker 1: beautiful back shoulder ball. He's got great velocity. He moves

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Speaker 1: poorly but for his age adequately. But you know, they

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Speaker 1: don't protect, they don't run the ball. And so what

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Speaker 1: happens is this Pittsburgh Steeler defense and you saw this yesterday,

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Speaker 1: is on the field too long. That's what you saw

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Speaker 1: against the Jets when you can't run the football. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if the right now, because remember Philadelphia had

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Speaker 1: to let go of some defensive players. As you start playing,

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Speaker 1: paying more and more of your star players, so Eagles

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Speaker 1: had to move off players. But the good news is

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Speaker 1: they control possessions. The tush push allows the Eagles to

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Speaker 1: continue drives. So time of possession in Philadelphia is usually

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Speaker 1: pretty good.

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Speaker 3: What does that do?

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Speaker 1: Defenses are always better when they're on the field less.

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Speaker 1: Right now, in Kansas City, you're asking yourself Kansas City's

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Speaker 1: defense justin Herbert aded alive.

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Speaker 3: Well, Kansas City doesn't have a run game, so.

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Speaker 1: Against Justin Herbert in the second half, that Kansas City

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Speaker 1: defense is on the field too much. So nothing makes

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Speaker 1: a talented defense look worse than being on the field.

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Speaker 1: So you watch the have you noticed in the first

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Speaker 1: two games for Kansas City the defense is better in

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Speaker 1: the first half than the second.

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Speaker 3: Why the Chiefs can't run the ball.

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Speaker 1: So you know your defensive guys run the field for

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Speaker 1: forty five steps, fifty five steps, they get tired. So

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Speaker 1: and so once again, the Steelers twenty ninth in time

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Speaker 1: per drive, thirtieth in rushing yards per attempt. So we said,

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Speaker 1: Aaron's not going to solve their issues at this point

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Speaker 1: in his career. He needs certain things to be provided.

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Speaker 1: The Jets couldn't and the Steelers can't. So this is

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Speaker 1: what they are, and this defense for Pittsburgh. When you

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Speaker 1: can't run the ball, remember the seasons now longer than

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Speaker 1: it's ever been, defensive players statistically get hurt more so

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Speaker 1: the key to a great defense is often a very

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Speaker 1: good sustained run game. So a defense in later portions

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Speaker 1: of the game, you said, you saw how tired the

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Speaker 1: Cowboy defense was of.

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Speaker 3: The New York Giants defense. You'd only put defensive players

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Speaker 3: on the field. They have to predict what's happening. They

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Speaker 3: don't know what the play is. It's exhausting.

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Speaker 1: Our three Mark Slrath and the Bronco loss head shaker

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Speaker 1: neck