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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Thursday, August twenty eighth, and man,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked net of headlines. I'm Stephanie Leidecker

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Speaker 2: and I head of Katy Studios where we make true

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Speaker 2: crime podcasts and documentaries, and I get to be here

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Speaker 2: every single night with crime producer Courtney Armstrong and crime

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Speaker 2: analyst Body Move in and listen. Last night was heavy.

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Speaker 2: If you were with us last night, it was a

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Speaker 2: heavy night. The news, the world, it all seemed a

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Speaker 2: little bit dark. So we're going to try to turn

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Speaker 2: that around tonight because we have with us a very

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Speaker 2: special guest. In the next segment, it is Therapy Thursday,

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Speaker 2: and and we have licensed therapists Jessica Kaplan with us.

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Speaker 2: She's sort of becoming our resident therapist when we're looking

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Speaker 2: for just some real time advice because look, jess knows

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Speaker 2: best right, so great, she's going to help us figure

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Speaker 2: out how to find mental health care and some tips

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Speaker 2: and tricks to do so.

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Speaker 3: Also we're discussing this crazy sex.

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Speaker 2: Trafficking like dust that happened at this place posing as

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Speaker 2: a church.

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Speaker 4: So much more on that to come.

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Speaker 2: And also, you know, Body, she's been following our granny

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Speaker 2: gana awry again this murder for higher case with a

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Speaker 2: grandma who was really hell bent so on having her

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Speaker 2: son in law killed. Trial is ongoing. Body is going

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Speaker 2: to bring us all of the latest information. And remember

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Speaker 2: we want you to join the conversation eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: three one crime. You guys have been doing such a

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Speaker 2: great job giving us dms and messages and finding us,

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Speaker 2: so keep them coming. We're going to try to get

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Speaker 2: them all in tonight, we promise, but we're going to

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Speaker 4: Because we're going to go straight to.

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Speaker 3: A talk back.

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Speaker 5: Hi, guys, it's Cricket calling from Connecticut, calling about the

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Speaker 5: issue with finding a therapist. It is so difficult, but

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Speaker 5: most states have local agencies that will take people regardless

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Speaker 5: of insurance or no insurance. In fact, I think all

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Speaker 5: but Delaware, Hawaii, Rhode Island, South Carolina, and New Hampshire

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Speaker 4: So check into that.

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Speaker 6: Wow, that's really good advice. I mean that again, as

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Speaker 6: long as the meetings could advice. I have great insurance

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Speaker 6: and I'm having to wait months for an appointment, months

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Speaker 6: and months and months.

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Speaker 3: Well that's one. How long the waiting listeners.

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Speaker 7: Or something like that. Maybe I'll try that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we've gotten a lot of reach out about this, so, body,

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Speaker 2: you're really striking a nerve on something that obviously is

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Speaker 2: resonating with so many of us. So I'm so glad

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Speaker 2: that Jessica Kaplan will be here to kind of guys.

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Speaker 2: She sure does ding ding ding ding, So yeah, who

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Speaker 2: does not know best? Unfortunately those seems to be granny.

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Speaker 2: Granny is up to no good all the time. What

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Speaker 2: night's story, Body, so fill us in.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people are following this case. So this

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Speaker 6: was day five of the trial Florida v. Donna Adelson,

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Speaker 6: and this murder trial is centering around or today, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 6: the case today is centering around a web of wiretap calls,

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Speaker 6: undercover operations, and like coded conversations suggesting her super deep

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Speaker 6: involvement in orchestrating the twenty fourteen murder of her former

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Speaker 6: son in law, Dan Markle, as we discussed, right, yes,

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Speaker 8: Since it appears in this moment, and again the trial

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Speaker 6: I had no involvement. She said, she had no involvement

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Speaker 7: It's a very tangled web. And to go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, I also heard that Granny

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Speaker 2: Listen, son in law, we'll give you a million dollars

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Speaker 6: that's called a bump. And I'm gonna explain what that

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Speaker 6: It's something the FBI does. It's an investigative technique in

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Speaker 6: two hitmen were arrested, the family went quiet, okay, and

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Speaker 6: the Adelson clan got kind of quiet, and in order

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Speaker 6: because you know, this was like a big change in

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Speaker 6: So the court heard multiple phone calls between Donna. Now

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Speaker 6: Charlie is her son. He's also the dentist, and he's

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Speaker 6: Continued So multiple phone calls between Donna, Charlie, his girlfriend

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Speaker 6: here's I'm setting the stage. The FBI does this bump,

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Speaker 2: See yeah, it's just like they're all chatterboxes night paranoid.

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Speaker 8: By the way, I just checked it out. Charlie Adelson

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Speaker 3: What life life? Yeah, is so devastated.

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Speaker 2: Her brother is now serving life his brother, her brother's

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Speaker 2: it's not looking great. Where's dad, Where's Where's Where's Granddad?

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Speaker 2: Heard at the airport. He was at the airport when

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Speaker 6: A lot of people don't think Harvey is involved, but

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Speaker 7: Maybe I don't know if I'm gonna find out.

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Speaker 8: Oh man, this is true crime tonight. We are on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 8: I'm Courtney Armstrong here is Always with Body Moven and

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Speaker 8: Stephanie Leidecker. We are talking about the crazy case that

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Speaker 8: seems like this Grandma is, you know, like a mini

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Speaker 7: Hi, Cynthia, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 8: Cynthia has She's an avid listener, so we always appreciate

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Speaker 8: hearing from you. And the question was about why evening everyone,

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Speaker 8: It's Cynthia from Canada. Why was Granny wearing headphones when

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Speaker 2: Great question, she was. I thought that too, Cynthia. So

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Speaker 2: she was wearing these weird headphones. But they weren't like

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Speaker 3: Well or not was yesterday.

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Speaker 6: They were just kind of like but today she was

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Speaker 6: to good question. And so Donna's seventy five, and she

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Speaker 6: She reported hearing problems and they were trying to like

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Speaker 6: it was part of a defense effort to spring her

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Speaker 6: from the Leon County detention facility, like she's this frail

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Speaker 6: you know, we see this a lot. We saw it

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Speaker 6: with Joseph DiAngelo, We saund it with Harvey Weinstein. You know,

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Speaker 6: they Bill Cosby, Bill Cosby, Right, they pretend to be

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Speaker 6: these like frail palypi and jail oh a day, right,

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Speaker 6: So they give her these headphones and what does she do.

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Speaker 6: She puts them on and they're inside out basically, So

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Speaker 7: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: It goes back to the pre trial motions where they

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm from Minnesotah, from Minnesota. I know with everybody there,

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Speaker 10: I lost a child three years ago, and so when

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Speaker 2: Oh when, right, while in crisis as a family, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're right, Jessica, what do you say to this?

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Speaker 2: And again, thank you so much for the call. Andy,

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Speaker 2: You hear someone like our caller Andy, whose daughters you know,

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Speaker 11: Yes, I always stay to my clients when they show

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Speaker 2: that phone call. And I do not miss it, because

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Speaker 2: everything depends on just having a place to sort of

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Speaker 2: speak freely and get really you know, solid, unbiased you know.

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Speaker 6: Advice right and tools to me tool of the day right, exactly.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, And I'm I'm thinking about Andy's question and just

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Speaker 11: thinking about how she was looking, you know, for a

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Speaker 11: therapist for her sixteen year old who was breathing a

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Speaker 11: loss of her sibling. Sometimes it's helpful to to ask

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Speaker 11: your pediatrician, your primary care doctor, your school counselor your

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Speaker 11: school therapist. If you belong to a church or a

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Speaker 11: synagogue or a mosque, ask your leaders there if they

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Speaker 11: have any therapists that they've worked with, if they recommend

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Speaker 11: you know, it's important to utilize those resources too. Oftentimes

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Speaker 11: those people in the community have connections, so that's that's

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Speaker 11: another another option. And I also just didn't want to

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Speaker 11: forget to just suggest a few therapy directories online that

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Speaker 11: people can go to that have really good filters for searching.

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Speaker 11: As far as if you need a discount, a sliding

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Speaker 11: scale depending on what your insurance are, do you like

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Speaker 11: telehealth or in person? All of those are part of

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Speaker 11: the filter system. So there's one called open PATHA.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're going to hold for one second. I know

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Speaker 2: you didn't want to. We're gonna have to take you.

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Speaker 3: Have you come back for one more segments one seconds

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Speaker 3: this one, so we'll be right back. Can you stay

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Speaker 3: with us?

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Speaker 4: Everyone?

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Speaker 2: It's a therapist Thursday and our very own resident marriage

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Speaker 2: and family therapist, Jess Kaplin is back with us, and

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Speaker 2: she's giving us some real time tips about how to

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Speaker 2: cut through the clutter when you can't seem to not

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Speaker 2: only find a therapist, but find a therapist who.

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Speaker 3: Is available, who will take you.

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Speaker 2: This on the heels of the conversation we had last

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Speaker 2: night after the hideous shooting in Minneapolis. We were saying

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Speaker 2: it's not easy to find access to mental health.

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Speaker 4: Whether you have health insurance or not.

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Speaker 2: And Jess was giving us some suggestions, and you had

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Speaker 2: a couple of places that you wanted to mention. Jess,

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Speaker 2: I know we're holding you much longer than expected. You'll

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Speaker 2: be unsurprised by this, but we wanted to make sure

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Speaker 2: we didn't cut you off. So can you tell us

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Speaker 2: again those places that you said we should reach out to?

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Speaker 11: So I thought it was very important to just share

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Speaker 11: a few of the online therapist directories.

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Speaker 12: Ye.

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Speaker 11: People can go to these and put in exactly what

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Speaker 11: they're looking for. Are they looking for therapy for a

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Speaker 11: child and adolescent, an adult, couples therapy, family therapy, your

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Speaker 11: specific insurance that you want to use if you prefer

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Speaker 11: telehealth or in person. All of these are all different

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Speaker 11: filters that can be used on these websites and then

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Speaker 11: you can directly email or call the therapist. It shows

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Speaker 11: a list that shows the bios. You can see their pictures,

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Speaker 11: you can see a little blurb about their approach to therapy,

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Speaker 11: and then if it's something that interests you and works

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Speaker 11: for you, you then can email them or call them

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Speaker 11: to contact them about an appointment. So the first one

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Speaker 11: that I want to mention is one called Open Path

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Speaker 11: Psychotherapy Collective. This is a really good one because it

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Speaker 11: has a lot of filters around finding affordable therapy. So

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Speaker 11: if that's your issue, you're you're not able to use

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Speaker 11: your insurance so you don't have health insurance, that's a

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Speaker 11: good one to go to to be able to look

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Speaker 11: and see if there are any therapists in your area.

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Speaker 11: If you prefer in person, and if telehealth is okay

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Speaker 11: with you, then that affords you to maybe see a

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Speaker 11: therapist that isn't local. And then the other ones that

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Speaker 11: are even more well known that are also good and helpful.

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Speaker 11: Psychology today, Oh dot com, therapydn dot com and good

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Speaker 11: Therapy are all ones where you can go on and

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Speaker 11: search through and see what you can turn up for yourself.

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Speaker 11: And then the last thing I wanted to mention because

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Speaker 11: I think sometimes we get we're not really sure the

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Speaker 11: right verbige to use when we're reaching out for therapy,

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Speaker 11: especially if we're looking for something that's more affordable, and

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Speaker 11: maybe a therapist that provides the sliding scale option, or

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Speaker 11: an intern or a student, a grad student where you

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Speaker 11: can get discounted therapy. So in your email or on

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Speaker 11: your voicemail message, or if you call the coordinator of

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Speaker 11: the counseling center and you speak to someone directly, you

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Speaker 11: can just say, do you offer sliding scale prices? That's

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Speaker 11: that's that's the simple question. You can also say if

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Speaker 11: you're calling a school or a grad program, a university,

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Speaker 11: that you can just say, do you have any interns

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Speaker 11: or student therapists offering reduced rates?

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 11: It's that simple, and it's always good to just ask

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Speaker 11: because you you never know, and it doesn't it doesn't

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Speaker 11: hurt to ask. If they have it, they'll offer it

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Speaker 11: to you. So I also find too that sometimes because

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Speaker 11: I have to admit I'm guilty of this every once

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Speaker 11: in a while, which is if I'm getting a lot

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Speaker 11: of emails or voice messages with people calling to inquire

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Speaker 11: about therapy, and possibly make an appointment. Every once in

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Speaker 11: a while, one falls through the cracks and I forget

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Speaker 11: to respond or you know, it gets lost in my voicemail.

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Speaker 11: And it's not that I don't want to respond or

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Speaker 11: I'm not open to taking on a new client. Every

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Speaker 11: so often it just gets missed. So I would recommend

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Speaker 11: that if you email a therapist, or you leave a

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Speaker 11: voicemail for a therapist and they don't get back to

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Speaker 11: you within a week, send another email, leave another voicemail.

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Speaker 11: I would say that if they don't respond to that,

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Speaker 11: we'll move on. But it's worth just checking in two

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Speaker 11: times because it might just be as simple as they.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have busy lives also, and I think

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Speaker 2: also being you know, articulate about what the immediate issue

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Speaker 2: is might be helpful too. That's very smart, even if

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Speaker 2: it's just so they remember, oh, this is the person

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Speaker 2: who's dealing with the loss of a child, or who's

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Speaker 2: inquiring about therapy for their grieving daughter or whatever.

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Speaker 11: The thing is right, And it also it saves you

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Speaker 11: time because if you are leaving a message and you

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Speaker 11: are saying that there was a death in the family

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Speaker 11: and I'm experiencing a lot of grief and I would

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Speaker 11: like a therapist, and you're emailing or leaving a voicemail

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Speaker 11: for a therapist who does not specialize in grief but

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Speaker 11: has a colleague who does exactly right away, that therapist

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Speaker 11: can email you and say, I'm going to recommend this

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Speaker 11: therapist for you. This isn't my specialty, and it saved

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Speaker 11: you a step.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 11: So it's just facilitate the process. And we all know

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Speaker 11: that when someone is finally making a point to call

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Speaker 11: and reach out in this way, it is such a

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Speaker 11: big deal that we want to try and make this

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Speaker 11: process as seamless as possible. So I highly recommend leaving

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Speaker 11: some details about what you're looking for when you reach out.

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Speaker 4: And one other thing too.

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Speaker 2: You know, when someone's in crisis, and we've all been there,

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Speaker 2: you know, friends, family, they're like, how can I help?

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Speaker 4: How can I help? You know what?

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Speaker 2: This be a good task to ask somebody who cares

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Speaker 2: about you. Hey, I need to find a therapist and

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Speaker 2: I don't have it in me right now. Here's a

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Speaker 2: list of twelve people if you wouldn't mind calling them

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Speaker 2: and leaving them messages because I'm at my last leg.

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Speaker 3: By the way, people want to help.

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Speaker 2: That list of twelve is a devastator dead end when

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Speaker 2: you're in the thick of it. I've been there where

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Speaker 2: it just seems like even one phone call is too many.

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Speaker 2: But if you can reassign that it's major and like

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Speaker 2: it's somebody's pleasure, God willing, and you know, we've got

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Speaker 2: to create a community even here amongst us too. If

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Speaker 2: you don't feel like you have that person or a friend,

586
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Speaker 2: let's all, you know, keep the communication going because it's

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Speaker 2: important stuff.

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Speaker 3: Also just to say, in my case, a phone call

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Speaker 3: is really helpful.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: All this in person stuff is a pretty big commitment,

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Speaker 2: and there's waiting lists. Yeah, telehealth like who cares, Like

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Speaker 2: it's just instant access to an unbiased the smart voice,

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Speaker 2: and you know what, you can absolutely make it happen.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes, as in my case, it's much less expensive

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Speaker 2: that way.

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Speaker 4: So food for that.

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Speaker 11: Yes, I think the telehealth has been a lifesaver for

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Speaker 11: a lot of clients who don't have reliable transportation, don't

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Speaker 11: have reliable childcare, and they can just go and sit

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Speaker 11: in the on the floor in their closet and have therapy,

602
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Speaker 11: or they go and they sit in their cars in

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Speaker 11: their driveway because that's a quiet, private space, and they're

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Speaker 11: able to stay consistent with therapy because they don't have

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Speaker 11: to worry about getting a ride or finding a fitter,

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Speaker 11: let alone the extra expense of any kind of transportation

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Speaker 11: or babysitter too.

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Speaker 8: It just.

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Speaker 3: It's a three hour ordeal.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm going to tell you I've done it like

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Speaker 2: outside the grocery store, because it's like, you know, no

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Speaker 2: matter what is happening in in the eye of the storm,

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Speaker 2: that one hour sets the stage for the entire week

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Speaker 2: and important stuff. And frankly, I've learned this from you,

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Speaker 2: Jessica Couplin. So yeah, I think we'll turn it all

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Speaker 2: in it together. Thank you for sharing. I know we've

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Speaker 2: kept you longer than promise.

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Speaker 11: So welcome. Absolutely, you're saving lives.

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Speaker 7: Just knows best.

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Speaker 2: I just knows, jess And make sure to love you,

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Speaker 2: sweet jess. So we'll see you next Thursday. Looking forward

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Speaker 2: to it. Mark the calendar.

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Speaker 3: Taha.

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Speaker 4: She just said, yes, awesome.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Jessica, Jessica, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 6: here for another mini therapy Thursday.

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Speaker 7: Jess knows best. That's what we're going to be calling us.

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Speaker 6: I really appreciate your insight as we you know, deal

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Speaker 6: with all these really difficult topics.

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Speaker 7: You're you're saving lives for real exactly.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Bye bye. Wow.

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Speaker 7: She's great, She's just a mess.

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Speaker 2: And again, if anybody has any questions, they can just

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Speaker 2: DM the show or d m us directly and make

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Speaker 2: sure those guests don't those best. Well, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: not therapist, right like you know guy me therapy. Okay,

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00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: who doesn't. I think we all do. It's like you

638
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: can't have a functional car without occasionally bringing it to

639
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: the car wash and to get oil, right, So we're humans.

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Speaker 4: It's the exact same speed.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not prescribing anything, but I'm sure what I

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Speaker 2: would have done.

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Speaker 3: No, this is true.

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Speaker 6: Current tonight on iHeart Radio, I'm Buddy Movin and I'm

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Speaker 6: here with Courtney Armstrong, Stephanie Leidecker and we just had

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Speaker 6: therapists Jessica Kaplan on.

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Speaker 7: She's wonderful.

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Speaker 6: We've been taking you know, we've been talking about mental

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Speaker 6: health crisis in the United States, and we you know,

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Speaker 6: we want to hear from you. Give us a calladay

651
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Speaker 6: to eight thirty one crime or use the talkbacks on

652
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Speaker 6: the iHeart radio app, but for now I think we

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Speaker 6: have a talkback.

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Speaker 13: Hey ladies, Adams from Canada, thanks for the shout out

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Speaker 13: from the Leslie Stephanie. I definitely love the community.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 13: True Crime has given us all. I have a question

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Speaker 13: about Gonzales. I hope he talked about doing something where

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Speaker 13: BK's commissary would be would have to go to the families.

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Speaker 13: I'm wondering if you knew if anything came to fruition

661
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 13: around that would love that concept.

662
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 10: To be adopted for sure.

663
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 13: Anyways, chat later.

664
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 6: By Yeah, So it's my understanding that Steve was going

665
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 6: to try to basically, you know, take the commissary that

666
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 6: Brian Coberger would be receiving from like his fans, right,

667
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 6: like his stupid little history provally of fans right. I

668
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 6: can't pronounce that word for some reason. AnyWho, I don't

669
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 6: think that happened, but I do think it's in the works. Initially,

670
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 6: he was going to do it to pay for the

671
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 6: firing squad. Do you guys remember that, right? But now

672
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 6: that he's played guilty and there's no death penalty, I

673
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 6: don't know the status of that right now. I do

674
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 6: know that he did imply that he wanted to create

675
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 6: a law in the state of Idaho that would basically

676
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 6: confiscate a portion of those ones. You're not gonna be

677
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 6: able to get all of it, right, I mean, he's

678
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 6: going to have to he needs to buy top Ramen, right,

679
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 6: and you can't take all of it. But I do

680
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 6: know that he is potentially working on it, So stay

681
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 6: tuned for that. Will definitely be keeping up to date

682
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 6: if we get any information on that.

683
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 7: Great question. Yeah, really good question.

684
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 4: And listen, we're again it's dance music time.

685
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 3: Don't forget.

686
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 2: Later in the show, we got to talk about Cardi

687
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: b back in court. If you guys have been following that,

688
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: it is so too much. I wish it would do

689
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: some lyrics and raps for us, right.

690
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: That great?

691
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 2: Okay, that song kind of conjures it up a little bit, so.

692
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 4: We're going to go straight to a talk back.

693
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 14: Hi, ladies here. I did my homework. I watched The

694
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 14: Son of Sam. I also live through that time. I

695
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 14: am from West Virginia, so it is in that manner.

696
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: But I remember it being on the.

697
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: And I remember being so scared for the people in

698
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: New York and what they were going through.

699
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: His craziness and that psychologists I have to say, come on,

700
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: her techniques questionable?

701
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, the toys with the little gun.

702
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: Can we just discuss that. I actually fell asleep thinking

703
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: about that. Even did you really post our conversation? It

704
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: just seems so archaic, And you can't tell me that

705
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: that didn't have some sort of an imprint or.

706
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: Words.

707
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: He might not be the most reliable witness, you know,

708
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: but I listen, even just objectively as an outsider looking in,

709
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: it seemed dangerous.

710
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 6: Dare I say, well, I mean, he definitely used a gun.

711
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 6: I mean, is there a correlation? I don't know, but

712
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 6: it's easy to blame the Therapist's interesting to David.

713
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 7: It's not us.

714
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 6: But it's easy for David Berkowitz to be in prison

715
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 6: and being like, well, maybe it was that, you know

716
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like, I don't necessarily think it was,

717
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 6: though I really don't.

718
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 7: Well maybe I don't know.

719
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 6: Well, I mean maybe because it's part of his healing, right,

720
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 6: it's part of his healing, So maybe he equates that to,

721
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 6: you know, feeling better or something.

722
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know anything. Listen, I need

723
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 7: therapy myself, one of my I get it.

724
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: I did ayahuasca in a jungle, so I get you stars.

725
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: I want to go.

726
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 7: I want to go do ayahuasca so bad. I want

727
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 7: to go down to Peru.

728
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 2: You have to do a whole segment on it. Can

729
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: we Yeah, I did the Peru thing. I I I'm

730
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 2: not sure that I would say it's worth really Yeah,

731
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: but a story for a different day.

732
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm dying.

733
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 7: I want to know all about people.

734
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: I can't wait. But gig by the way, you're.

735
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 8: Such a good for doing here. We'll do ayahuasca Thursday

736
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 8: another day.

737
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: For sure.

738
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: It was a long time ago.

739
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 8: But uh, yeah, we're so glad that you followed up

740
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 8: with the assignment.

741
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, I just want to say.

742
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: Thank you're our star. Pupil.

743
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: By the way, gg exactly, we have another talk about

744
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: more quick talkback.

745
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 15: Hey, this is Steve from Vegas. I have a quick

746
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 15: question about what happens to all of the evidence that's

747
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 15: collected in a case like the Idaho murders. Does it

748
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 15: stay in evidence forever or does it eventually get destroyed?

749
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 15: Does it like go uh someplace like what happens like

750
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 15: to the missing wall section and all the photographs and

751
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 15: stuff banks.

752
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 6: Right, great question, Steve. So it can be in long

753
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 6: term storage for decades. It really depends on the status

754
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 6: of the case. Right, So, active cases and pending appeals,

755
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 6: evidence is kept as long as the case is still

756
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 6: active or could be appealed. Cold cases they're kept in

757
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 6: climate controlled lockers and in rooms for as long as

758
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 6: the case is cold. If somebody has you know, a

759
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 6: been a adjudicated, they'll keep it. Oh they'll also keep

760
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 6: it because listen, times change, technology changes, there might be

761
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 6: an appeal that is rendered later down the road. So

762
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 6: basically they're going to keep the stuff forever, right, especially

763
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 6: like you can post conviction DNA testing that happens now.

764
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's great shocking. It's sometimes just in actually

765
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: like a paper box. So you know what are those

766
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 3: boxes called that you you know, literally like a price.

767
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: Oh here's oh, here's the evidence.

768
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times we have now

769
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: had evidence presented from a box from twenty five years ago.

770
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 6: Right, we're gonna jump right into headlines. I'm not going

771
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 6: to be messing around, Courtney.

772
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: What do we got? Oh my word?

773
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 8: Okay, so this is good word, Oh my words. So

774
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 8: we're gonna give you the headlines tonight and this is

775
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 8: a case we will will be following. So a guy

776
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 8: named David Taylor and a woman named Michelle Brannon. They

777
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 8: are self proclaimed religious leaders of the Kingdom of God

778
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 8: Global Church.

779
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: Sounds nice, right? Is this a cult?

780
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 16: Oh?

781
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 3: I am sad? Oh sad?

782
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 7: Me let me just tell you, okay, okay, So this way.

783
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: Can you stop before you go in for the court.

784
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: What does that mean? I am sad? Does that mean

785
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm paying attention? I am I'm paying attention. I'm listening.

786
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to hear the story. I'm all I

787
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: love the cult stories.

788
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 7: I am sad.

789
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: I'm okay.

790
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 2: So anybody listening, we are all sad right now, as

791
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 2: Courtney takes it away Red Cross.

792
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 8: So, these two, this man and woman at the head

793
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 8: of the God Global Kingdom of God Global Church, they've

794
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 8: been indicted for operating a forced labor and human trafficking scheme.

795
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 8: It has gone on for more than a decade, and

796
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 8: it is cross multiple state lines. And this pair seems

797
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 8: if what is alleged is true, if even a portion

798
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 8: of what is alleged is true, they are truly despicable.

799
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 8: They allegedly exploited followers through psychological control, through unpaid labor. Yeah,

800
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 8: we got physical abuse. They used millions of dollars in

801
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 8: donated funds and finance and finance the most lavish lifestyle

802
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 8: you can imagine. And this is all under the guise

803
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 8: of ministry.

804
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: I mean they like just top one.

805
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 8: They the church received about fifty million dollars over the

806
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 8: past ten years, five zero.

807
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 4: Five zero million.

808
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 8: And what this pair would do is they would use

809
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 8: their followers, the people in the cult, as call center

810
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 8: operators who worked insane hours. Some were forced to sleep

811
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 8: at these call centers. If they did not hit the

812
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 8: monetary goals that these two are alleged to have said,

813
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 8: then they would have literally their food taken away or diminished.

814
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 8: They would have their beds taken away or diminished. They

815
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 8: would be brought to homeless shelters, kind of as a

816
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 8: peak of you're going to be here if you don't

817
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 8: get to calling.

818
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 7: You know what sounds like I'm a little afraid to say, actually.

819
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: Rhyme with rhymantology. Have you guys reached out to the niece?

820
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't want to jump around. I

821
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: know I'm interrupting the flow here, but I have been

822
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: obsessed with the two.

823
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: Dying from Scientology. I have reached out to her. I

824
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 3: haven't heard back yet, but.

825
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 6: She's been very busy. She's very busy right now. Was

826
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 6: she is what it sounds like Courtney, or it sounds

827
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 6: like the sea Org.

828
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: Yes, Seawork is also just the place that Scientology sends

829
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: young adults.

830
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: That is, their family.

831
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 6: Attract her a billion year contract and they for free,

832
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 6: and they get stuff taken away from them when they

833
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 6: don't meet their monetary goals and et cetera, et cetera,

834
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 6: et cetera.

835
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 8: Okay, go ahead, yes, And so that is what this pair,

836
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 8: David Taylor and the woman what is her name, I've

837
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 8: raced it from my mind, Michelle Bannon, So that they've

838
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 8: been charged for the forced labor all of the above

839
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 8: and this they had victims in Michigan, in Florida, in

840
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 8: Texas and Missouri. And do you know what they spent

841
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 8: this fifty million dollars on while they're literally taking food

842
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 8: out of people's.

843
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 6: Guests, boats, mansions, cruise boots.

844
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: Yes, we're looking at top line.

845
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 8: We are looking at four Mercedes Benzes, three Bentley's, one Rolls, Royce,

846
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 8: bulletproof materials, for their vehicles because they are Mui and

847
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 8: portante five counted five ATVs four jet skis.

848
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 2: You are kidding me right now? Who are these people?

849
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: Well? So did they have leaves?

850
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 6: Did they Did they separate the members of the church

851
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 6: from like their family and stuff too?

852
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 3: Did they do? You know? Did they do? They were?

853
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 3: It was they were very controlled.

854
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 8: So what what the people who worked they were called

855
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 8: armor bearers and they really did whatever this guy David

856
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 8: Taylor asked and just bowed to you know, bowed to

857
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 8: his whims And yeah, they would suffer public humiliation if

858
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 8: they didn't meet these unattainable goals of donations. And sex

859
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 8: trafficking appears to come into play as well. So Taylor

860
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 8: at the head and he had his armor bearers w

861
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 8: the people under his control. He had them transport women

862
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 8: from ministry houses, airports and other locations to him and

863
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 8: ensure that the women were transported had planned be emergency contraceptives.

864
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so.

865
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 4: He was having sex with them?

866
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 8: That, I mean, that's what it would make sense. I

867
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 8: don't know why else you're making sure people are locked

868
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 8: and loaded with plan.

869
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 4: B Wow, and how they were Yeah.

870
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 6: Idios, No, I'm reading this here, It says the indictment

871
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 6: recounted a text set on May fifth, in which Taylor

872
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 6: wrote that his staff had to raise one hundred and

873
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 6: sixty four thousand dollars that day, or we will mess

874
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 6: with the food for every hour.

875
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 7: They fell behind. Wow, they really were messing with these people.

876
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: It was horrible. They would pour water in their faces

877
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: while they slept. Oh my god.

878
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 8: So these were like prisoners, Yes, essentially forced labor.

879
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 4: Most cults sort of ride that way.

880
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: Is that accurate?

881
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: Like most cults start out kind of you know, fun

882
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: and games, and boy takes a real left turn and

883
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 2: becomes like a prison.

884
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

885
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 6: Well, and I guess like once you're in it too,

886
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 6: it's hard to get out because, like, you don't have

887
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 6: any money because you're not getting paid, right, you know

888
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 6: that you have at least a room and board.

889
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: It's kind of your head.

890
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 6: Can you become dependent on the quote unquote community that

891
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 6: you're entrenched in.

892
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: It's very sad, and you're.

893
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: Also isolated from your loved one, anybody in your family

894
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: or friend group who may be saying to you, hey,

895
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: this seems a little off or a little intense. Those

896
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: people are cut off, So you're isolated, right.

897
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 6: And let me tell you if you hear my voice

898
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 6: and you were in a cult right now and you

899
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 6: want out, I promise you if you call your family,

900
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 6: they are going to help you that, you know what

901
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 6: I mean, Like, they're not going to care that you

902
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 6: cut them off.

903
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 3: Right, That's exactly right.

904
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 8: It's really such a large part of people being kept

905
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 8: under control is convincing. It's you know, brainwashing and saying

906
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 8: no and you are useless to anyone else in your life.

907
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: And it's just not true.

908
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 8: And what this guy purported, this is according to the

909
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 8: Department of Justice, he proclaimed you was an apostle. That

910
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 8: he is he claimed half face to face encounter with

911
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 8: Jesus Christ who came to him in a dream. And

912
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 8: so he really if you're buying what he's selling, which

913
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 8: this guy must have been some charismatic cat, you know,

914
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 8: he would be such a pivotally important person in your life, right,

915
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 8: I mean.

916
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 6: If you really believe Jesus appeared to him, and you

917
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 6: really believe in you know, Jesus Christ and whatnot, and

918
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 6: you're going to do whatever he says, right, that's right.

919
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 6: That's religious manipulation.

920
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

921
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's real crime.

922
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 8: We will we will keep on this case as it

923
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 8: continues to evolve.

924
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: It has not gone to trial.

925
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 8: And listen, give us a call eighty eight three one

926
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 8: crime if you have any cult cases or really any

927
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 8: cases you want us to follow. Obviously, this is true

928
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 8: crime tonight and we always want to hear from you.

929
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 4: And I think now, oh, Stephanie, Yes.

930
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: It reminds me also in Courtney Body. We should discuss

931
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: this because it was an Idaho that church that also

932
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: shares so much of the land in Moscow, Idaho was

933
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: being bought up by this It's christ Church, if I'm

934
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: not mistaken, and they have very really unique fundamental views

935
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 2: and we should do a deep dive into that because

936
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: again that wouldn't be air quotes a cult.

937
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 4: But it is controversial, kind of kind of.

938
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 8: It's very it's very controversial. It's it's definitely a little

939
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 8: bit culty, and it is a place where women who

940
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 8: were sexually mistreated.

941
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 4: Let's just put that minket on it.

942
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was completely kept under wraps under the guise

943
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 8: of church and you know, will spirit heal this out

944
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 8: of you.

945
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 6: And there was just a lot of you know, in

946
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 6: the in the Moscow, Idaho case the student murderers. Of course,

947
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 6: with Brian Coberger as the murderer, there was a lot

948
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 6: of people who, you know, you know, there's a lot

949
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 6: of people who like, you know, to dabble in the

950
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 6: conspiracy theories, and there was a lot of the christ

951
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 6: Church integration into the murder's conspiracy theories going around. So

952
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 6: it was really a big part of, you know, the

953
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 6: conspiracy part of this case.

954
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 2: And to add to that, and again I'm just saying

955
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: this top of heads, so anybody correct me if my

956
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: facts are dated. But at the time when we were

957
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: making the podcast, we did a pretty deep dive into

958
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 2: christ Church. And what was interesting is this group really

959
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: wanted to be separate of all us law. That's like

960
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: sort of the principle of the church. And they were

961
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: buying up like all of Main Street basically, so they

962
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: were buying up as much property and then putting parishioners

963
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: in those locations, so just by a population grab, there

964
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: were a lot of church members in and around Moscow.

965
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: In this particular group, because of sex charges that were

966
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: brought up against one of the main parishioners, they have

967
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: a real disdain for law enforcement. So at one point

968
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: we had been it had been reported in our reporting

969
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: as well that several people in the town were concerned

970
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: that when choosing a jury in Moscow, that you were

971
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: going to inevitably have christ Church members as a part

972
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: of the jury, you know, jury just as a numbers

973
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: game because it was a multiplying population and because of

974
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: their disdain for law enforcement. Having nothing to do with

975
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: the Idaho case, but more about the charges brought up

976
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 2: against the church, that it was going to be a problem.

977
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: And you know, there was like some conspiracy chatter that

978
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: that also played a part in the trial getting moved

979
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: outside to Boise.

980
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 6: That's necessarily so much of a conspiracy as Yeah, maybe

981
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 6: like speculations on tacts, right, Like I think that could

982
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 6: definitely have been an issue.

983
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: I do.

984
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, had it come to their absolutely, Yeah. So

985
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 8: from how about we moved from the cults to Carti Yes,

986
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 8: to be step we switch gears because, like Cardie's been

987
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 8: in the press, I know, I want to talk about

988
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 8: little nas also, you know, again there's things that we

989
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 8: just can't I love both of them too.

990
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 4: By the way, if you are.

991
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: Not a fan of Cardi B, and if Cardi B

992
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 2: is a performer and artist Grammy Award winning She's from Bronx,

993
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: New York.

994
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 4: She's personality.

995
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: Plus I would sing one of her songs, but you know,

996
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: I won't torture you guys. She's so fun and just

997
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: so we both were so just for you to see

998
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: her on the stand. Is not to minimize what has

999
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: been alleged, but it was.

1000
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 4: Riotous, you know, Cardie.

1001
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: She came in full throttle and had the she almost

1002
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: has a Lucille.

1003
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: Ball vibe about her a little bit.

1004
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: And she's so incredibly authentic and she has her different

1005
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 2: wigs on every day. And essentially it's like a twenty

1006
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 2: four million dollar lawsuit that's being brought against her civilly

1007
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: because the claim is that when Cardi B was leaving

1008
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 2: her Beverly Hills obgyn her she was four months pregnant.

1009
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: By the way, so if you've had a baby, you

1010
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: could imagine you go for your tests, et cetera. You know,

1011
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily feel like chatting it up with security.

1012
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 2: Allegedly security, this you know person last name Ellis says

1013
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: that they had a bit of an altercation and that

1014
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: Cardi B scratched her in the face and spit on

1015
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: her and it's caused all kinds of mental anguish and

1016
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: has caused you know, medical appointments, et cetera.

1017
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 4: And now the.

1018
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: Bill is real high. We're talking like twenty four plus

1019
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: billion dollars. Oh my gosh.

1020
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: Yes, So Carti has been on the stand basically saying like, hey,

1021
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 2: what not gonna happen?

1022
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: Can everybody do their best? Cardi B do it? Court,

1023
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 4: you do it good?

1024
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'll do it.

1025
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you. Oh yeah yeah.

1026
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: So I thought she was rivaling with in the stallion,

1027
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: but that's no accurate, no, Nicki Minaj.

1028
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 7: Yes, I don't know.

1029
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 4: It's a tough one.

1030
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: I like them vote so much like Cardie. A little

1031
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: boogie going on in the control room right now. We

1032
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: all have like the little mini boogie. Everyone's like a little.

1033
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: Bit chair pot Cardi B. Yeah, we're all doing a

1034
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 3: little Cardi B by.

1035
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 8: Sam in the control room going is going nuts, Adam's

1036
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 8: doing backflips.

1037
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: It's we encourage everybody to dance in the breaks.

1038
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: There we go yes, yes, yes.

1039
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 4: Yes, so yeah.

1040
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: If you guys are feeling unsettled or just like have

1041
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: nervous energy, a little dance break during the commercials is

1042
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 2: not a bad thing. So little Uh, that's my only

1043
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: psychological advice that I'll ever give.

1044
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

1045
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Court, we have also this Kayak story you were

1046
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 2: going to tell us about.

1047
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 8: Actually it's body that's been nuts over this Kaiak story,

1048
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 8: So bring it.

1049
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 6: So this okay, I don't know if you guys have

1050
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 6: heard about this. It's kind of it's it's a little lighthearted,

1051
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 6: but it's also very serious. At the same time, this

1052
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 6: guy faked his own death to get away from his

1053
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 6: wife and children. So this guy, Ryan borg walked, he lives.

1054
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 6: I know he's He's in Wisconsin. He faked his own

1055
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 6: drowning in August of twenty twenty four to secretly travel

1056
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 6: overseas and meet a woman he had met online, basically

1057
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 6: leaving his wife and three children in the process. Okay, So,

1058
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 6: after a month long investigation revealing clues including passport and

1059
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 6: travel to several different countries, he was located in the

1060
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 6: country of Georgia and persuaded to return to the US.

1061
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 6: He pled no contest to obstructing law enforcement and was

1062
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 6: sentenced to eighty nine days in jail, one for each

1063
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 6: day the authorities spent searching for him, which is pretty

1064
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 6: you know appropriate, I have right, so.

1065
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 3: He deserves more. Oh, I didn't like his family was

1066
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 3: looking for him. I thought he died.

1067
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 4: Can you imagine?

1068
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: And this clown is off gallivanting because you met some

1069
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: girl online and wants to sort of be on that

1070
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: TLC show.

1071
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 4: What is the name of that show?

1072
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: When they can I can't stop watching.

1073
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 4: It got through covid.

1074
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 3: It literally got COVID.

1075
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 7: I think I would be so good on that show.

1076
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 7: I want to show.

1077
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would be so good on that Who would

1078
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: you want you want delivered to you?

1079
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 3: Wait?

1080
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 4: What who would you want delivered to you?

1081
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 17: Like?

1082
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 3: Who would you who would you.

1083
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 4: Need to be perfect match?

1084
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm where Ireland?

1085
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 2: Okay, that's so exotic, So you can go to Ireland.

1086
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: We can make this a segment where you go to Ireland.

1087
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: To it, yes, and producers reach out to me.

1088
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 6: Okay, So this and this guy though ry Ryan, Okay,

1089
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 6: he abandoned his family to go gallivanting in you know,

1090
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 6: in Georgia, the country, not the stame by the way.

1091
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 7: Okay, he faked his own drowning.

1092
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 6: He secretly met this woman in Uzbekistan, in the country

1093
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 6: of Georgia. So he abandoned his wife of twenty two

1094
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 6: years they were married. Can you imagine you think your

1095
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 6: husband's dead, You're grieving, You're like, oh my god, what's happening?

1096
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 6: We need to find kid drawn? And then you find

1097
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 6: out he abandoned you to go gallivanting and meet a

1098
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 6: woman he met online, a great.

1099
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 8: Thing that he was locked up to keep that woman

1100
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 8: from herself, Like, could you imagine what you would want

1101
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 8: to do to that?

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00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: And they had children too, children, say two kids, and

1103
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: those three kids were mourning the loss of dad. By

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00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: the way, did you see him, I mean even just

1105
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: seeing him in court kind of having to face the music.

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00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: First of all, I'm just gonna say it, he seems

1107
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: like a super nerd. Right, So this guy is chasing

1108
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: some younger tale overseas, and yet his kids and his

1109
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: wife of twenty years think that he's dead. You know

1110
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: how many resources And this is not the funny part,

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00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: So that eighty nine days is real, eighty nine days

1112
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: that the police and law enforcement and the Coastguard were

1113
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: looking for his dopey But meanwhile it's a waste of resources.

1114
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: Who knows what other catastrophic events could have been saved

1115
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: during those eighty nine days. That's right, those resources were

1116
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: being allocated.

1117
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: To the wrong guy, right, the nerrve.

1118
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 7: His wife, of course, divorced him.

1119
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 6: She was like bye, yeah, she divorced, so he in

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01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 6: addition to dale time, he paid thirty thousand dollars in

1121
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 6: restitution and was divorced by his wife four months after returning.

1122
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 6: She was like bassed by She was like you know, yeah,

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01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 6: like I wouldn't put up with that.

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01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 4: Are you kidding?

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01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 13: Mean?

1126
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 7: Give me a break.

1127
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 6: So he had this elaborate plan by the way too,

1128
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 6: like he had this like inflatable raft. He dumped his id.

1129
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 6: He rode an electric bike for seventy miles, like he

1130
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 6: planned all this out like this was very interct. He

1131
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 6: rode an electric bike for seventy miles. Then he took

1132
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 6: a bus to Caket, Hanada before flying to Europe and

1133
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 6: then finally did Georgia. So, Ryan, I hope you enjoyed

1134
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 6: jail and losing that thirty thousand dollars And.

1135
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 4: Are they still together?

1136
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: Is The's what I was going to have girl in Georgia.

1137
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 7: I don't believe saying no, I don't believe.

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01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: So I hope it was worth it, man, hope it

1139
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: was right. Whyn't I just break up?

1140
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 6: I know, well maybe he didn't. Maybe I don't know

1141
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 6: if he's got money, and maybe he didn't want, you know,

1142
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 6: to pay the wife anything or whatever.

1143
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 7: But you know, I don't know.

1144
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: It just never ends. Well. I mean, Stephanie, how many stories.

1145
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 8: Did we do specifically for that, the podcast Crazy in

1146
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 8: Love where people were driven to you know, madness and

1147
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 8: murder you to love.

1148
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 3: And yes, the answer always should be breakup.

1149
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 4: If it's time to break up, if it never goes.

1150
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 3: Well, if you don't want to be with me anymore.

1151
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 7: Just tell me. I'll go away, you know what I mean.

1152
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 8: I'll go to Zbeka, stan on a raft and a

1153
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 8: bike and guy.

1154
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 3: Thinks he's like what is he doing with the raft?

1155
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: And he's on the motorbike Like this guy thinks he's

1156
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise in mission impossible, just trying to.

1157
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 4: Go buy some love.

1158
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 2: I mean, he's like in a bomber jacket. It's absurd.

1159
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: And then you see him in court and his little

1160
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: button up You're like, this guy, really, this is that guy?

1161
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: It's insane.

1162
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, But I mean think of the think of the

1163
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 6: woman in Georgia though, like he did all of that

1164
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 6: stuff to be with her, and you know, it's just like, wow,

1165
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 6: that's crazy, because like my entire family.

1166
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: Thinks I'm dead so that I could be with you.

1167
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure he didn't say that she might be the.

1168
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 3: Last enough she knew.

1169
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 7: I don't know what she knew.

1170
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 4: What's kind now?

1171
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 8: I want to find out too, because that has not

1172
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 8: I can have her on Okay, I'm making a note

1173
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 8: that will be before or after the niece of the

1174
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 8: science apology leader.

1175
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 4: I know we're not allowed to talk about it, right.

1176
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 6: Okay, No, we're not allowed to talk about SCIENTI olalicy Okay.

1177
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: Okay, my mom is afraid. Everyone's afraid. But I'm interesting, Okay,

1178
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: And he wants to talk about but what that sward

1179
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: that stuff, and he was just saying anything else, give

1180
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: us a call.

1181
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 8: We're at night one Crime and we are true crime tonight,

1182
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 8: and we were talking about the kayaker who faked his

1183
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 8: death and had all his troubles.

1184
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 3: Let us know how far have you gone?

1185
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 8: We're not talking criminal, but I don't know if you

1186
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 8: want to share how far you've gone for love and

1187
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 8: you went a little crazy in a non criminal way.

1188
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 3: We'd love to hear those stories.

1189
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 8: Too, because honestly, most of us have been on one

1190
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 8: or both sides of that equations.

1191
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 3: That's the truth. Boy, Yeah, I let it rip everybody.

1192
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: We have no judgment, that's yeah, we are not in

1193
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: the judgment chairs.

1194
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 6: Although we just spent the last five minutes judging this guy.

1195
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 3: Well, this guy's a dope.

1196
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: Dope faking your own death is a little bit much,

1197
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: it is.

1198
01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, so anything but that give us a non criminal right, criminals.

1199
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 4: A little criminal I'm curious. It's fine. I would have

1200
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 4: like a little king of a car. Oo. I've never

1201
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 4: done of the car. Have you ever toilet paper to

1202
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 4: car with shaving cream?

1203
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 7: I'm an angel?

1204
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 4: Are you guys not from Long Islands?

1205
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 3: You've never been never done anything car and encovereded.

1206
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 4: With toilet paper?

1207
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 3: What is that? I have no idea what that is?

1208
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 4: Really?

1209
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 3: You just.

1210
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a statue of limitations of one hundred

1211
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: and fifty years that has gone by. But yeah, and

1212
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: someone did you dirty? You would basically put shaving cream

1213
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: on their car and then put toilet paper over the

1214
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 2: shaving cream.

1215
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 3: Doesn't the shaving cream like to remove the paint or something, No.

1216
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 4: It just like washes off.

1217
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: I mean these weren't like fanciest cars maybe when I

1218
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: was coming up, so it was kind of fair game.

1219
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 2: And then we would attach like cans to their car

1220
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 2: with strings oh like just married. Yeah, so when you

1221
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 2: like drove away, you didn't realize probably that there were cans.

1222
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 2: And it just seems it's so silly. I'm not recommending this,

1223
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: and I recognize how dopey this sounds. So and I

1224
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: didn't even do that for love, by the way, I

1225
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: did that for somebody else's love revenge.

1226
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a good side by, yes.

1227
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 4: Right, like I'm a good Alma somebody's Louise. Anyway, I digress.

1228
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 3: So you were gonna tell us about Little nas.

1229
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 4: This Little Nas has got me really upset. So we

1230
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 4: all love Little Nods.

1231
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 8: You know.

1232
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: He's been a real icon in uh, you know, the

1233
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 2: gay community, but also just in pop culture. And he's

1234
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: a musician that I think was, you know, sort of

1235
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: this really forward facing African American cowboy. If you remember

1236
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: that song what was it with Billy Ray Cyris where

1237
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 2: they did that duo.

1238
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll stop myself there.

1239
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, dang this.

1240
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 3: Yes so good. So yeah, he has.

1241
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 2: Really been sort of this guiding light for so many

1242
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: has recently spent the weekend in jail, unfortunately, because if

1243
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: you're familiar with California, there's this area called the Valley

1244
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: Studio City specifically, and I guess in the middle of

1245
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: the night, he was kind of prancing down the street

1246
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: in his undies in cowboy boots.

1247
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 3: He looked good though. I saw the video. He looked

1248
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 3: he was.

1249
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 2: Like kind of working it down those two yellow stripes

1250
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: in the middle of the road, and I guess somebody

1251
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: recognized him and started recording him, and I guess cops

1252
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 2: got involved, and at some point there it escalated allegedly,

1253
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly, and you know that ended with little Nas

1254
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: having to spend the weekend in court in.

1255
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: Jail, which was probably terrible for him.

1256
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 2: He has since been released, and uh, I think we

1257
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: have to wait and see to what happens next.

1258
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 4: Tah.

1259
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 3: Have there been any new developments today?

1260
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 18: But no new developments. The only thing I saw was

1261
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 18: he broke his silence since being released, and he said.

1262
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 3: It was terrifying. He was terrified, but your girl is

1263
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,959
Speaker 3: going to be okay, So by the way, he said,

1264
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 3: it was effing terrifying.

1265
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was so scared, scared, obviously there is something

1266
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 2: bigger going on with our little nods, So we send

1267
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: him love and hopefully this all settles itself very quickly.

1268
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 3: But by the way he.

1269
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 4: Tries to I was surprised to read this.

1270
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 7: He posted a seventy five thousand dollars bail and he

1271
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 7: was released and it was in Van Nie and he

1272
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 7: got out the same day. Thank god. He had the

1273
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 7: money to get out right, like woo. Scary.

1274
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 6: So he was initially arrested on the missinmeanor charge. The

1275
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 6: charges were escalated to felonies. Yeah, because apparently he was

1276
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 6: resisting arrest. I didn't see any of this, so this

1277
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 6: is all news to me. Oh, little nas, what are

1278
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 6: you doing?

1279
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 4: No, he'd never.

1280
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got to comply. You gotta like do what

1281
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 6: they say, man like. I hope you're okay for real.

1282
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, back at you. I think so too.

1283
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 2: And hopefully the cops have moved on and that was

1284
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,919
Speaker 2: de escalated, and you know we were We're.

1285
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 4: With them too.

1286
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's all I got on a little naselet's

1287
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 2: PARTI beat anybody wants to join us eight eight eight

1288
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 2: three one crime and listen, you guys have been chattering

1289
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: and bringing up a lot of stuff, so we kind

1290
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 2: of want to keep hearing from you. Eight eight eight

1291
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 2: three one crime. What do you think, guys? Should we

1292
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 2: go to a talk back now?

1293
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 9: I think so, Hi, ladies, this is Molly from Pennsylvania.

1294
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 9: I listen to you guys every morning on my drive

1295
01:08:54,479 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 9: into work. Wednesday night episode where you're talking thinking about

1296
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,839
Speaker 9: maybe a manual, and I'm fuming.

1297
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 10: I am angry.

1298
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 9: I am furious that this any parent could do that

1299
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 9: to their child. I don't know what's wrong with our society,

1300
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 9: and I do not think people who commit crimes against

1301
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 9: children are punished nearly harshly enough. And we also just

1302
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 9: need to be paying more attention. There has to be

1303
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 9: signs that a child is being abused, that someone.

1304
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 13: Is not a good parent.

1305
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 9: So that's that's where I'm out with that very fired up.

1306
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 9: I can't even keep my thoughts straight. Thank you for

1307
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 9: everything you guys do.

1308
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 2: We think, Yeah, we feel the same way, and I'm

1309
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 2: sorry that this is getting you on the way to

1310
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 2: work right.

1311
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 4: It's like no way to start a day. But I

1312
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 4: think unless.

1313
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 2: We're all riled up together, we can figure out some

1314
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: solutions or some real basic takeaways because it's maddening.

1315
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 6: The legal reality, though, is that crimes against children are

1316
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 6: treated more severely within the US law. In most global systems,

1317
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 6: crimes against children are treated especially serious, and often they're

1318
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 6: punished more harshly than the same crimes against adults. So

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Speaker 6: I know it doesn't seem that way, but that's the

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Speaker 6: legal reality. The vulnerability of victims is often an aggravating

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Speaker 6: factor when considering maximum sentence guidelines and things like that.

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Speaker 6: So children are seen as like uniquely defenseless and unable

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Speaker 6: to consent or protect themselves. But here's the thing, those

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Speaker 6: are often only taken into consideration when there's a crime

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Speaker 6: against a child that isn't murder, whether you know, it's

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Speaker 6: maybe abuse or sex acts things like that. So the

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Speaker 6: legal reality is is that children are more protected than adults,

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Speaker 6: but it just doesn't.

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Speaker 7: Seem that way right after death.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we cover so many cases where there

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Speaker 2: were red flags along the way that involve children that

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Speaker 2: went unnoticed, or even the protocol was in fact followed

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Speaker 2: and went nowhere because everybody's just checking a box and

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Speaker 2: filling out paperwork and pushing it along, and it does

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Speaker 2: take a very special teacher or a very special counselor

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Speaker 2: or a special child protective service officer who really can

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Speaker 2: see the signs and go that extra mile, because frankly,

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Speaker 2: I think the system's pretty backlogged as well. And in

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Speaker 2: this case, mom and dad were lying, lying, lying, like

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Speaker 2: why would you assume that there was a problem when

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Speaker 2: mom and dad were hiding this for a we now

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Speaker 2: know to be for at least nine or ten.

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Speaker 6: Days, and when dad has a conviction under his belt

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Speaker 6: of abusing his daughter who is now permanently, you know,

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Speaker 6: relying on care for the rest of her life because

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Speaker 6: of his abuse, exactly, And ladies.

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Speaker 4: And men, that is a real red flag.

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Speaker 2: So if you're with somebody who has a record of

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Speaker 2: abusing their child prior buy or be warned when you're

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Speaker 2: you can do that having a child with somebody else.

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Speaker 2: And by way, again, no judgment, nobody has you know,

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Speaker 2: more questionable taste.

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Speaker 3: Now, let's get it. Listen.

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Speaker 2: Love makes you do crazy things, but you cannot look

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Speaker 2: the other way. This guy was potentially problematic and again

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Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly allegedly, we do not know with the pause.

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Speaker 8: Well, his first child, that was a conviction. We do

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Speaker 8: know that as a matter of fact.

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Speaker 6: Fact also it was also oh yeah right, it was

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Speaker 6: also though his his his ex as well.

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Speaker 7: They were both abusing his daughter.

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Speaker 8: It's grotesque, and Molly, we are thinking with you and

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Speaker 8: all of your feelings.

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Speaker 4: You're fuming. It's really the only.

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Speaker 3: Get it out, and it's your talk.

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Speaker 4: But keep it coming.

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Speaker 2: Those kinds of getting those feelings out is equally as important,

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Speaker 2: So talk it here.

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Speaker 6: You're not alone. Just know that you know, and that

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Speaker 6: makes me feel better. I hope it does.

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Speaker 7: But you were definitely not alone in your outrage for sure,

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Speaker 7: and it's warranted.

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Speaker 3: What's the next talkback?

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Speaker 17: Hey, ladies, I just listened to the interview with the

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Speaker 17: district attorney for the deadly American marriage story. As I

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Speaker 17: was listening, I got very Piketown massacre by the fact

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Speaker 17: that this girl who's from Tennessee, the South, is trying

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Speaker 17: to get custody of these kids. There's murder and also

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Speaker 17: how did the first wife die?

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Speaker 13: You guys know, was that revealed?

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Speaker 17: Because I think you said this was his nanny, so

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Speaker 17: I didn't know if there was any suspicion to his

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Speaker 17: wife dying and like him running off with the nanny.

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Speaker 17: Or if it was like a kosher kind of real

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Speaker 17: life thing, you know, sad thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So in the documentary we learn that his first wife

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Speaker 6: in Ireland died from an asthma. Remember, like, she had

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Speaker 6: bad asthma and she wasn't recovering. I don't remember all

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Speaker 6: the details, but that's what I remember.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And when when the incident that caused her to

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Speaker 8: ultimately die, her sister was present, right, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 8: all these facts are correct. That's her sister was present.

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Speaker 8: They went to the hospital. It was sort of a

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Speaker 8: systemic thing for her, you know. However, it was brought

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Speaker 8: up later the defense. The defense brought it up with

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Speaker 8: the question mark but no one. I guess it depends

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Speaker 8: on who you believe, defense or prosecution. But everyone who

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Speaker 8: was in his life thought there was everything was above born.

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Speaker 6: And even that wife, even the first wife's parents. They

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Speaker 6: framed it like the dad was sus of the husband,

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Speaker 6: but turns out that he wasn't. And right before he died,

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Speaker 6: he actually signed a declaration that he wasn't suss of him, right.

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Speaker 3: Remember that that's right? Yes, I do.

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Speaker 8: That just seemed like they I mean, as they explained it,

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Speaker 8: it was literally a misunderstanding of language between him.

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Speaker 6: You're listening to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm Buddy

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Speaker 6: Movin and I'm here with Stephanie Lydecker and Courtney I'm Strong,

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Speaker 6: and we're right in the middle of some talkback roulette Adam.

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Speaker 19: Next, Hi, ladies, this is how they're in North Carolina.

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Speaker 19: I was listening to talk back Tuesday and specifically the

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01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 19: question about why P Diddy wasn't charged with simple assault.

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Speaker 19: My understanding is that the statute of limitation for domestic

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01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 19: violence or assault under state law, that statute had already run.

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Speaker 19: That's why Ditty's attorneys felt pretty comfortable just being candid

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01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 19: and admitting that he had committed domestic violence. And I'm

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Speaker 19: a lawyer, but I don't do criminal law. I don't

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01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 19: think that assault is usually a federal charge, so I

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01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 19: think that should had sailed. Unfortunately, that is hopefully what

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Speaker 19: they were left with.

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Speaker 3: That's great insight.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and it is it is only sexual assault or

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Speaker 8: excuse me, assault is only a federal crime if it

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Speaker 8: happens on federal ground.

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Speaker 4: I had recently looked into this.

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01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 3: That's really good. So I didn't know that.

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Speaker 7: I didn't know that there was a statute of limitations

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01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 7: on the.

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Speaker 8: Cell and that I did not know either, so that

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01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 8: that is news and that varies, right, So those types

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01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 8: of statutes am I mistaken with this?

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Speaker 2: For example, you know an assault charge having a statue

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: of limitations that does very like area area right, state

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Speaker 2: to state. Yeah, none of us are lawyers.

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Speaker 8: No, it seems asary check, which we should have an

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01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 8: expert come in. But it seems like the statute of

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Speaker 8: limitations depending upon whether it's misdemeanor, whether it's felony, what

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Speaker 8: the circumstances are. But generally it's one to six years,

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01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 8: which that sounds so short to me.

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01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 7: It does.

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01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 6: It sounds even listen, even one day in prison or jail,

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01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 6: I'm like done, Like I can't, I can't even imagine,

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01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 6: so like it seems like a short amount of time.

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01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 6: But like for people like me and probably you guys

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01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 6: do right, like one day in jail and like, oh

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01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 6: my god, I'm gonna freak out, So it's hard to imagine.

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01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 3: It does look like I'm looking it up.

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01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 18: It does look like each state sets its own statute

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01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 18: of limitations for both civil and criminal cases. But we

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Speaker 18: might have Jared come on and join us and break

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01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:36,839
Speaker 18: that down, because.

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01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 3: That'd be great.

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01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 18: I'd love to dig into that more.

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01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 3: Love Jareded.

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01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 7: I miss him.

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 3: Everyone loves Jareded.

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01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:45,520
Speaker 8: My girlfriend from high school, who is an attorney, specifically

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01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 8: texted me it's just a great legal expert.

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01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 3: Well he is.

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01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, Jared's singing your phrases.

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01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 18: Unders add that we have. We seem to have the

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Speaker 18: brightest audience, like our listeners are from lawyers across the doctors.

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01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 18: We've had every everyone across the void.

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Speaker 7: So we love it.

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01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 18: But anyway, go back to those talkbacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hit us up.

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Speaker 16: Adam, Hey, guys, this is Ken Adams from New York.

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01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 16: Building the timeline for b case time in that house.

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Speaker 16: Did police take into account him pausing or stopping and

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Speaker 16: observing what he did?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 17: So?

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01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 3: Well said, really good.

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Speaker 6: So reading those documents, they said that he could have

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01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 6: done it in little He was in that house for

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01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 6: an estimated thirteen minutes. And reading those documents and the

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01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 6: testing they did, I don't know that they took into

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01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 6: account any of that. I don't even know if they

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01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 6: think that right, that's just our amateur, you know, analysis

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01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 6: of the crime scene photos. But in doing their testing,

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01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 6: they did it in as little as ninety seconds. So

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01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 6: him standing for you know, thirty seconds to a minute

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01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 6: in front of the door from Inxana's door is entirely

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Speaker 6: within the margin of error.

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01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 7: So, yeah, that was what a good question.

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01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 6: Man, I'm telling you, our audiot, our audience is so smart.

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01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 6: But again, yeah, I'm sure I'm sure that they didn't

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Speaker 6: account for that. From reading the reports, it seemed like

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Speaker 6: they they went in, they counted how many wounds each

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01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 6: victim had and kind of simulated the attacks, and again,

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01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 6: ninety seconds, that's all it took. Wow, he was in

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Speaker 6: there for thirteen so you had plenty of time to

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Speaker 6: stand there.

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Speaker 8: Right, Although, buddy, the one thing, because you did say,

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Speaker 8: and it was, would you say, I don't know something?

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Speaker 8: That about the blood drops Joseph Scott Morgan's so less

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Speaker 8: than just here. Yeah, so less than just our sort

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Speaker 8: of amateur pontification. Joseph was here, and because of the

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Speaker 8: blood spatter that came directly down, that meant that.

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Speaker 6: In a perfect circle that's right right in front of

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Speaker 6: Xana's door, right that it's.

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Speaker 3: Not moving for at least however many.

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Speaker 6: Seconds that will take maybe fifteen let's say, let's say

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Speaker 6: fifteen seconds, maybe maybe thirty even, and I think he

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Speaker 6: was probably if he was standing there, if our analysis

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Speaker 6: is correct. And again this is you know, allegedly he

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Speaker 6: was standing there. Maybe he was waiting for quiet, right

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01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 6: like he can hear Dylan. Maybe maybe Murphy's barking, you know,

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Speaker 6: and he's just kind of like, you know, getting baring,

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Speaker 6: getting one moment. Possibly possibly again, don't know for sure.

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Speaker 6: But what a great talk back. I love those kinds

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Speaker 6: of questions. I don't know, I'm guessing. Yes, what a

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Speaker 6: great voice again, I know he listen.

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Speaker 2: You cannot also just say we do have the greatest voices.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know.

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01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't make it up.

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Speaker 2: We have such great voices here on the show. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: keep those keep those voices coming everyone. What a night

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Speaker 2: it has been. Again, big shout out to license mackge

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Speaker 2: and family therapist Jessica Kaplan for cruising with us tonight

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Speaker 2: and giving us some scoop. We'll post those details also

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Speaker 2: that she mentioned on our website as well, so in

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Speaker 2: case you miss anything, no sweat And again, if you

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Speaker 2: miss any of the show, you can also catch it

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Speaker 2: right after as a podcast.

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Speaker 3: Let's go straight toward talk back.

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Speaker 12: I loved the Martha Stewart documentary. My mom and I

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Speaker 12: always kind of made fun of her because she was

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Speaker 12: always so proper and everything was always well perfect and

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Speaker 12: not real life. And it showed us that she wasn't

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Speaker 12: perfect and she owns up to that, and I just

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Speaker 12: I really enjoyed it. But she also stayed true to

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Speaker 12: herself and she's still so upity.

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01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 3: Uh love her good attitude.

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01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 8: I do.

1537
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 3: I thought it was great.

1538
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not pushing docs, and this is not really

1539
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: a crime doc.

1540
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 3: Although she was arrested. She's a felon, right, she's a felain.

1541
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, she's totally really like, kind of ripped

1542
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 2: my heart out when I watched her doc. I really

1543
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: became a fan after watching it, and exactly great talk

1544
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 2: back because I had the same reaction I always had,

1545
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 2: sort of her in a category of kind of this

1546
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 2: perceived perfection that is really unattainable and therefore let's not

1547
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: bother trying. So I never paid that close attention to her,

1548
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 2: but I kind of liked the doc. It made her

1549
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: really real and authentic and yeah, she's you know, she's

1550
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: had a few bumps along the.

1551
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 3: Way and lived to tell the tale.

1552
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, I also became a much bigger fan of her.

1553
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 8: I was not a big fan of the doc though,

1554
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 8: because I felt that they in her long and lengthy

1555
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 8: career in life, they spent such a long time on

1556
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 8: when she was arrested and went to prison.

1557
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 4: I don't know that was really I didn't think so.

1558
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 2: I thought they kind of She thought there was some

1559
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: complaints from her initially when the doc came up that

1560
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: they were talking a little bit too much about, you know, her.

1561
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 4: Marriages or marriage or heartbreak.

1562
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 2: But like, isn't that what makes us all tick a

1563
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 2: little bit? So I actually thought it was pretty balanced

1564
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 2: but interesting.

1565
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 4: Listen.

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01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 2: I thought her in jail and in prison was also

1567
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 2: pretty harrowing and interesting in look, she did, the crime,

1568
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 2: she did the time.

1569
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 14: Mm hmm.

1570
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 8: Well have you guys heard what she recently Miss Martha

1571
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 8: took to Instagram?

1572
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 2: No, oh my gosh, wait, are you giving us Instagram

1573
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 2: on the right now? I used to be a first

1574
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 2: it Well, I got it from Betty, I got it

1575
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 2: from my mom. Okay, I was gonna say, that does

1576
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 2: not sound like not for me is like not on

1577
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 2: social media whatsoever for the most part. So it's appropriate

1578
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 2: that your mom is keeping you in life.

1579
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 17: That's right.

1580
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 8: So obviously we know that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey

1581
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 8: are engaged. So Martha went to Instagram and said, it's

1582
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 8: time to call on the ultimate wedding planner.

1583
01:23:58,520 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 3: I can, do you imagine?

1584
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 11: Yes?

1585
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, she's offering to plan the wedding.

1586
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: No way, Okay, that would be riotously spectacular, so epic, right, yes?

1587
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 3: Yes?

1588
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 4: And by the way, Martha was a perfectionist. I bet

1589
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 4: you tell her. Swift is a perfectionist too, she is.

1590
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 6: Did you listen to Did you guys listen to the

1591
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 6: podcast she was on Travis?

1592
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was so good.

1593
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 6: She was talking about how she's like obsessed with sour

1594
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 6: dough bread and all that. I just thought it was

1595
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 6: so cute and listen, I'm not like a I'm not

1596
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 6: a swiftye. I do like Taylor Swift, but I just

1597
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 6: I'm so happy for her and him.

1598
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 2: Why are you not a swifty Let's get on board

1599
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 2: and there's so few things to love in this life.

1600
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 4: Let's just get on board with Taylor Swift.

1601
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 3: It's okay. I am on board.

1602
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 7: I'm one hundred percent on board.

1603
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 6: I'm just not crazy, Like I'm not crazy swifty she

1604
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 6: loves those cats.

1605
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 3: I'm not like zooming in on clues.

1606
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 6: My yea friends Stephanie and Ashley, they like zoom in

1607
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 6: on her pictures and they like look for clues to

1608
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 6: like release dates.

1609
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 3: Of the Easterage. Yeah, I like it.

1610
01:24:58,439 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm meant to it. I don't have the time to

1611
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 2: will we go that deep? But I like the I

1612
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 2: like the thoughtfulness of it.

1613
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 3: I do too, if you had more time.

1614
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, here's to love everybody, wishing it to all of you.

1615
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 3: The night is over.

1616
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 2: It's impossible to imagine. Listen, everybody, we're going to be

1617
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 2: back on Monday night. No Sunday night, rather Sunday night.

1618
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 2: Here Sunday so Labor Day weekend, kids, We're here. True

1619
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 2: crime tonight, true crime all the time.

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01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 3: Day Fann