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All this moments gonna be there. 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Get today Black Effect dot Com Forward Slash Podcast Festival. 11 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm Will Lucas and this is Black Tech Green Money. 12 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna introduce you to some of the biggest names, 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: some of the brightest minds and brilliant ideas. Your black 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: building a simple using tech to secure your bag. This 15 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: podcast is for you. Julian Aigan is founder at W 16 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: three Sports, a web three consulting firm working to bridge 17 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: the gap between athletes and brands of the new Internet. Okay, 18 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: his man is an NBA player currently serving one of 19 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: the Clippers roster. With Julian as his business partner. They're 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: cementing their names in the history books of Web three 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: both athletes, Julian a former athlete, and tiors of present 22 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: day NBA highlight reel. They're both keenly aware of life 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: at the game time, so positioning themselves for the world 24 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: that the big lights is always top of mind. I 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: think I was exposed to the reality of how good 26 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: you needed to be to play professional sports. That being said, Um, 27 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: my younger brother had played in the Nike y b 28 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: L circuit his entire life. I was three years older 29 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: than him. He actually played against Terrence back in two 30 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: thousand and ten. Um, and taking a look at that, 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I just so your brother tears used to go at it. 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: So He's like, honestly, I got exposed to, uh, the 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: level of basketball that professional basketball players played as as 34 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: as youth and you know, as they grew up. So 35 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: that being said, I took into you know, account, my 36 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: skill set, and I knew that I wanted to take 37 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: care of my family, and I've been lucky enough to 38 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: see other black men that had done so outside of sports. 39 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: So I made that commitment that I was going to 40 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: take care of my family to the best of my ability, 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: and knew that basketball probably wasn't going to be the 42 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: lane for me, so I was able to commit in 43 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: both lanes and at the same time make sure, um, 44 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: you know that I was going to be in a 45 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: place to do so. Did you find it useful or 46 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: even just just helpful as like a competitive advantage to 47 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: use your athletic successes to create business success? And I 48 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: think that's something that me and Terrence have really started 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: to eye down as well, is that we know, you know, 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: within our space and I took a look at your 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: interview on on the Breakfast Club, is that people that 52 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: look like us, they have tons of role models to 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: look at who when and when it comes to sports 54 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: and entertainment, um, But when it comes to the business 55 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: side of things, there's necessarily not a ton of people 56 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: that look like us, you know that a strictly strictly 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: corporate of the tech world, of the crypto world. That 58 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: being said, I knew that basketball had opened a lot 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: of doors for me and that it could continue to 60 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: through my relationships. So when I thought about business, I 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: used the same kind of things. Who do I know 62 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: in the space and in other spaces that people that 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: look like me are attracted to to bring them into 64 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: our world as well and show them that this is 65 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: also cool, this is also viable, and that you can 66 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: take care of your family here as well. Terious, I 67 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: want you to chime in on that because I imagine, 68 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: you know, being a successful athlete also like you get 69 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: an approach with a lot of opportunities to do stuff. Um, 70 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: what was it about, particularly Web three? And we'll get 71 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: into like what you guys are working on, but what 72 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: was it about, particularly the opportunity in web three that 73 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: was interesting to units to say, you know what, I'm 74 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: gonna find a lane here right? Um, I think as 75 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: well as he said of than you know, not seeing 76 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: people that look like us in the space. Um, just 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: just wanted to learn about it, you know, just seeing 78 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: so many people talk about it and how cool it 79 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: seemed to me. Um, and it just sparked my interests. 80 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: So I just wanted to learn about it is what 81 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: really got me started. So so Julia, can you can 82 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about what if you were 83 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: to give like the executive summary of W three sports, Like, 84 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: can you give that to us, you know, so we 85 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: can fully understand the services you provide, the opportunities you're 86 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: trying to provide for your clients and et cetera. Yeah, 87 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: it's it's overall just crypto and Web three. Education is 88 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: the first thing that I start with, you know, with Terrence, 89 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: before we did anything in Web three, we just talked 90 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: about what interested him in the space. When you think about, hey, 91 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: it interests me what about it? Does? Is it the art? 92 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: Is it the ability that it's a new economy that's forming, 93 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: that's newer, and our people could you know, successfully get 94 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: in at the ground level. Um. And then further than that, 95 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: you know, there's a couple of different things that we do, 96 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: um from brand consulting, you know, working with Web three 97 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: projects that exist. We also work with Web two projects 98 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: that are looking to integrate themselves into the Web three space. 99 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: As you know, and a lot of people out there 100 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: have talked about a lot of those Web two brands 101 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: haven't done it necessarily the right way. So trying to 102 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: work with those brands to define what the right way is, 103 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone knows as it yet, um, you know, 104 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: in terms of what that may mean. So working with 105 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: guys like Terrence, you know that have strong brands, are 106 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: professional athletes, are approached by you know, tons and tons 107 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: of n F T projects and Web three companies. One 108 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: thing that I had identified very early on was that, 109 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: you know, on both sides, there wasn't a true understanding 110 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,119 Speaker 1: of how this partnership could go, how it should work, 111 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: what success could look like, and really how to break 112 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: down something as complex as Web three and defy to 113 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: an athlete for them to be able to understand how 114 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: they can drive value in those communities. So I releast 115 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: look to serve as the bridge between you know, obviously 116 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: any athletes that I work with and Web three companies 117 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: in the space as a whole. But you really want 118 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: to protect the athletes and make sure that they don't 119 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: get caught in any situations where they might have bitten 120 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: off a little more than they can chew just by 121 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: not understanding what this means. And you know, kind of 122 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: got blinded by the dollar signs of whatever those you know, interactions. 123 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: Maybe so can you So do you imagine the agency 124 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: playing the role of like that middle person to go 125 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: between between the person creating the n f T collection 126 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: or whatever or some some sort of crypto project and 127 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: the athlete who and you're leveraging the relationship between the 128 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: two to help them, you know, protect against protect the 129 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: athlete and create opportunity for the project exactly or on 130 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: the players side, just helped them understand from Web three 131 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: as a whole, what are you looking to achieve here? 132 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: You know, you might get offers to do this and 133 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: to do that, But saying that web you know, kind 134 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: of W three sports as a whole really came out 135 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 1: of just seeing the disconnect being there. Even when deals 136 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: were getting done, activation is not being done properly, athletes 137 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: having no idea who the team or the investors are 138 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: behind these Web three projects. So the heart of it 139 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: and the root of it really lies at protecting the 140 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: athlete and ensuring that both themselves and you know, I've 141 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: worked with Tease Agency as well um on there and 142 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: have a full and holistic view of what these opportunities 143 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: truly are, both short and long term. Um as I myself, yes, 144 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, obviously I've worked in sports business, but saying 145 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: that I've worked in tech after the last ten years, 146 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: it's something that I've been born kind of growing my 147 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: career through. UM so I'm a native to it. So Terris, 148 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: I think about this. You know, you've seen like the 149 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: horror stories with and again in music business, you know, 150 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: you get you get involved in the contracts in the 151 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: centera that they see not only your value as the musician, 152 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 1: but then they see the value of your ticket sales, 153 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: they see the value of your merge, they see the 154 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: value of your appearances. You know. So I wonder can 155 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: you speak to how you know, let's let's let's talk 156 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: about the agents or the teams, how they maybe maybe 157 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: turning their head and seeing, Okay, there's other opportunity here 158 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: to leverage the players persona um and getting involved there 159 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: is that happening or do you see people pretty much 160 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: saying in their lane in the sports world right, Um? 161 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: I think definitely. I think you know, you can hear 162 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: it and in talks, you know, you can hear you know, 163 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: when you're walking around moving around with agents or you know, 164 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: in the facility, you can hear people talking about what 165 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: people are doing off the court, um, different things, people 166 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: are investing in, different things. People they notice, people take 167 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: light in through their social media. So I think it's 168 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: a lot of talk. So it's definitely being talked about, 169 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: especially you know in those bigger rooms. Because I think 170 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: about this and even Julian and you or Terrance can 171 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: chime in or I think a lot about how, um, 172 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, what web three does is allow you to 173 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: not only have um, you know, sort of this pay 174 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: for plaything. I play on the basketball court and you 175 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: pay me. But there's an opportunity here to collaborate and 176 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: have ownership on both sides and shared value experience. And 177 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: I just wonder how that might be evolving in the 178 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: in the sports world where we see how it's evolving, 179 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, in entertainment where people kind of own even 180 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: they may even own their posts persona if they are 181 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: an established enough entertainer. Um, new entertainers have different experiences. 182 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: But how how you how are you seeing web three 183 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: or the potential that web three presents to an athlete 184 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: play out, Um, when you're talking about, you know, working 185 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: with a sports team who's investing hundreds of thousands and 186 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: often millions and millions of dollars into an athlete, I 187 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: could take that one. I think from this standpoint, there's 188 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: a couple of different ways to look at it at 189 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: the individual level, you know, for Terrance specifically, there's a 190 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: couple of different ways that we look at what web 191 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: three in blockchain technology can do and enable him to do. 192 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: Number one, every NBA player has fans. Does every NBA 193 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: player have a community built around them that they can 194 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: control and they reward throughout their career. I don't think so. Uh. 195 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: And being around NBA players my entire life, being able 196 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: to identify those moments where people can meet them, you know, 197 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: they can get signed sneakers, whatever it may be in 198 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: regards to that interaction, A lot of those times that 199 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: will build a fan for life. Uh. And you know, 200 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: further than that, you probably would call that fan follower, 201 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: um and a true follower and not a social media follower, 202 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: but somebody that's actually integrated into his success and it's 203 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: really going to you know, go to bat for him, 204 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: support him with whatever he does. That being said, you know, 205 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: I think what came to mind in regards to Terrence 206 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: and thinking about this. You know, he has had a 207 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: lot of success in the fashion space and breaking into that. 208 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: So when you think around web three, you know, how 209 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: can we utilize blockchain to do a number of things 210 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: and can we do them as of now? No, but 211 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: we want obviously get to the forefront of the space. 212 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: But things like you know, being able to identify who 213 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: might have purchased tickets to Clippers games, who's purchased you know, 214 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: Terence is sneakers with his anti deal things of that nature. 215 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: Who actually went to his camp? Anyone in the Boston 216 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: area you know that, you know we're we're from UM 217 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: taking a look at that who has supported and went 218 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: to a celticstant Clippers game. And I think once we 219 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: can start to identify what his community wants from him 220 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: and what they really find value in, then we can 221 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: start to cultivate obviously that fan base and to try 222 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: to turn into it. Do we have a thousand true 223 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: community members here that we can continue to build off 224 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: that we don't have to assume and guess what do 225 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: they want from Terrence to his career? We can have 226 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: those conversations live and just ask them, hey, guys, what 227 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: do you on? What do you want from this? What 228 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: is the reward to you? UM? So that as his 229 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: career continues to grow, both on and off the court, 230 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: he also has that community base that can look back 231 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: ten years later and said he actually took the time 232 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: with us, So the next thirty forty years of his 233 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: life he has those connections. Because I think us just 234 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: going to n f T N y C, the amount 235 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: of connections and conversations that we were able to have 236 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: off of that who probably would have never been exposed to. 237 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: You know, I wonder if it's and this is a 238 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: very superficial question, but it's not my thing about what 239 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: the difference between like NBA players and NFL players. It's 240 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: like NBA players have a much stronger opportunity to brand 241 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: a persona because they're not wearing a mask the whole game. 242 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: Like people, you can see them. Is there something to 243 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: that or am I just tripping? Am I just speculating 244 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: on the opportunity here? I think so? I mean I 245 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: think so, um, just because people are able to see us, 246 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: you know often, you know, we play eighty two games 247 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: in a regular season plus the playoffs, so you know 248 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: it's not only you know, once a week. I guess 249 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: it's very often a couple of three times a week. 250 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: You know, they watch you place and seeing face. So 251 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: I think that definitely plays a big role. What would 252 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: you say that you like, So, let's say you are 253 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: advising in an NFL player to build value around the 254 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: persona and they may not be you know, you know, 255 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 1: the most popular athlete out there, but they're still opportunity. 256 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: What our ways they can start to brand themselves so 257 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: that you know, a Web three project, whether it be 258 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: a token, whether it be an n f T project, 259 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: could you know, be valuable for them. I think the 260 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: biggest thing and this this is coming. I don't know 261 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: if you know her, but Kirby Porter is a partner 262 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: of mine and um one thing she focuses on his 263 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: content creation. So with that, every NFL player I'm sure 264 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: has a personality that it's not doesn't equate to you know, 265 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: who they are on the field. Start to open that up. 266 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: You know, if you are comfortable being vulnerable, and that's 267 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: something that Terrence does really really well. Agnostic of sport 268 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: is he's comfortable and he's vulnerable to learn in public 269 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: and also show who he is off the court. That 270 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: being said, when you expose and express who you are, 271 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna be tons of people that like the NFL 272 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: but love something about you that reminds you of them. 273 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: Those are the types of things that you want to 274 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: build content around. Start to test out different things, use TikTok, 275 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: use Instagram, use Twitter, start to meet people outside of 276 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: your sport, and then based upon what you feel is 277 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: authentic and you actually like and can see yourself doing 278 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: when you're playing careers over attack that introduce yourself to people. 279 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: You know, if I was to get a direct message 280 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: from an NFL player, you know, I would probably respond. 281 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: And I think that in terms of any businesses that 282 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: they would look at and might want to collaborate with, 283 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: they probably get a similar response. You know. Not a 284 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: ton of businesses get that player reaching out to them. 285 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: And I think when you do that, it really flips 286 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: the table and shows that you're actually interested, you know, 287 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: beyond a dollar. You know. I like what you just 288 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: said about Terence learning in public and Terrence as you 289 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: I read something that where you were quoted as saying, um, 290 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: hearing that Staples turned into crypto Arena definitely opened my 291 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: eyes to what's going on in this space is and 292 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: it's and that it's going to be huge eventually. And 293 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: it definitely helped me realize that I have to get 294 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: involved in get people who look like me on the wave. 295 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: And so it sounds like you didn't just dip your 296 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: toe into the water of crypto and Web three, but 297 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: like you went all in. So if you can tell 298 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: me about like some of the ways you begin to 299 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: educate yourself with regarding regarding Web three, I think, um, 300 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: just through you know, Julian and his team and my 301 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: team just collaborating, having a whole bunch of conversations around 302 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: the space before even getting all the way into it. 303 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: And then obviously you know, when I went to the 304 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: n f T n f T S events in New York, 305 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: that really opened my eyes to where, um, I got 306 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: to see how big, you know, of the space is 307 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be, and how many people are involved, 308 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: and you know, all the different things going on, so 309 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, just jump it right into it. And just 310 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: seeing it for myself going to New York and everything 311 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: really helped me out. Um and and it brought me here. 312 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: Do you which part of the web three conversation particularly 313 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: interested you? If you're talking about tokens one and you're 314 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: talking about the metaverse or another a talking about n 315 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: f T S like which what particularly interested you? I 316 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: think for me? I think for me it's a metaverse 317 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: as a whole. Just um, you know, growing up playing 318 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: video games as much as I did, um, it really 319 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: gave me that that type of field, you know, that 320 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: almost that type of granduff auto field, um, you know, 321 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: where people are creating their own stuff, having their own 322 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: type of vibe on there, playing different sorts of games, 323 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: whinning tokens, whinning you know, exchanging real you know, crypto 324 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: money on there. Just the whole whole vibe really you know, 325 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: attracted me just from me being a game or growing up. 326 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: And this is this is one for both of you, guys. 327 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm super interested in, um, the benefits of having an 328 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: athletic background. UM. So I think about, you know, when 329 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: you're coming up as an athlete, you've got a couple 330 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: and one maybe you've got a coach who's there for 331 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: your development, UM. And then you have you know, the camaraderie, 332 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: you have a team environment, UM. And those all helped 333 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: to build character even outside of the field, off of 334 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: the court. UM. Like, what would you say, are some 335 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: of the things that sports equipped you with outside of 336 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: you know the ones I just mentioned, um to helping 337 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: you find business success? Myself, I would say understanding the 338 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: grind UM. And when I say the grind, when you're 339 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: playing and you're achieving in any any skill or any 340 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: type of job and you reach that one percent, which 341 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: obviously the NBA is, But even if you play Division 342 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: two like I did, UM, you're gonna go through tough times, 343 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, as as we've see now with the economy, 344 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: almost every business out there is cognizant of what's going 345 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: on in regards to the economic downturn that we're looking 346 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: at here. Same things that that happen in business. You're 347 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: gonna have your ebbs and flows, You're gonna have great moments, 348 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna have your very low moments. But I think 349 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,119 Speaker 1: playing sports and also being a leader, specifically in basketball, 350 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: you're very used to, hey, we might be down fifteen, 351 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: but there's twenty when it is left on you know, 352 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: obviously on on on the clock. Here. That being said, 353 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: you're able to identify what you need to do personally 354 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: to win, and if you're a leader, you're also able 355 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: to identify what you need from everyone around you and 356 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: how to bring it out of them. Same thing in business. Obviously, 357 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: the motivation is a little bit different. People a families, 358 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: people are working for financial gain, things of that nature. 359 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: But within sports you learn how through you know, obviously 360 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: they kind of like going through hell that the only 361 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: way is through, and um, that's something that I've seen 362 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: in business that's been really really helpful for me. And 363 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: then obviously starting a career, any industry, any any any 364 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: skill that you you you want to continue to learn. 365 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: At first, you know you're gonna go out there, you 366 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: can barely make a layup, but you might look back 367 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: twenty years later playing for the Clippers, So you know, 368 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: you're also very very aware that you have to start somewhere. 369 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: What would you say, Yeah, I think for me, you know, 370 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: other than the grind, you know, that's a great one. 371 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: I can relate to that for sure. But I think 372 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: just everybody kind of knowing their role and knowing what 373 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: they bring to the table, and just being all so 374 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: many different teams that I've been on, you know, being 375 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: in college for four years now, going to my foard 376 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: year in the n b A, just all the different 377 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: teammates I had learning, you know, learning about your team 378 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: and learning about what everybody can bring. Kind of have 379 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: an understanding of your team and what you can bring, 380 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: who's who can lead, you know, who needs to follow, 381 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: different types of sorts of things like that definitely go 382 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: directly hand in hand with business, um and that's why 383 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: we've been able to, you know, kind of who we've 384 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: been doing because we understand that everybody has been grinding 385 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, so Julie, like I think about this because 386 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, a couple of things that actually both 387 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: of you guys talked about this. So any either one 388 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: if you can chime in, but I'll ask Julian two. 389 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: First is you know cryptos not performing well right now, 390 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: the tokens were down in the moment um. How do 391 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: you both and Julian go first on this um? How 392 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: do you manage when you're building something based on blockchain 393 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: technology and so you're betting on long the long term 394 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: here and so when you have these wild swings like 395 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: we have right now, how are you managing the ups 396 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: and downs um of crypto mentally hand um, you just 397 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 1: gotta be cognizant of of of the waves that are 398 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: sucom and obviously prepare for them. That being said, you know, 399 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: with crypto going up and down, one thing I always 400 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: like to spread, especially you know with people that look 401 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: like us, is you need to have leverage. Don't put 402 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: all your eggs in one basket. That being said, you 403 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: need to make sure you're diversified where your money is. 404 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: So crypto being down, I'm also invested done the things 405 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: that benefit by that um. But looking at it, from 406 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: a holistic perspective, it really makes it boil down. So 407 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: what are you here for? Um? You know, specifically with 408 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: myself and Terrence and Mellow, our other partner. Um, we 409 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: haven't asked a dollar from anyone in regards to any 410 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: n f T s in the crypto space. You know, 411 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: we haven't done anything to say, hey, this is Terrence Man, 412 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: this is a celebrity. This is why we want you 413 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: to go and buy this project. That's not really what 414 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: we're looking to do here. We're looking to draw an awareness. 415 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: And I think something that you had mentioned I watched 416 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: a couple of year podcast was really talking about the 417 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: black experience and culture being at the foundation of all 418 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 1: of these apps. And I work in tech and I'm 419 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: around NBA players a lot, and I always try to 420 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: bring that awareness. Said, Hey, everything that we're utilizing, no 421 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: matter what happened, is somebody created this. And I take 422 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: a look at the NBA guys I know the NBA, 423 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: at the NFL guys, I know the w NBA players, 424 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: and I take a look back at how many people 425 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: I know and just how many slots are in those leagues. 426 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: And I want to put that attention to say, hey, 427 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: even in crypto, when it's down, things aren't going well, 428 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: things are not you know, soaring in terms of evaluations, 429 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: We're still continuing to build because our mission doesn't change 430 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: whether a theoryum is or four thousand dollars. We're still 431 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: going to continue to do the same things. And we 432 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: started doing that when it was high. When it's lower, 433 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: not going to change, so the mission remains the same. 434 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: Would you say, tears, how are you managing waves? Yeah? 435 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: I mean, like he said, it's gonna be ups and downs, 436 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: and you know, I think I think just the conversation 437 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: around it, you know, I think we needed to keep 438 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: the conversation going. Um, you know, keep having people talk 439 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: about it. No, just so people can see there's something 440 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: and it's there and people are because I think, you know, 441 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: that's the thing about it right now, a lot of 442 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: people are like, no, I don't see nothing happening. It's 443 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: going down. They're just here, say you know, he says, 444 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: she say, so, I think just asking questions and learning 445 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: more about it, educate yourself on it, and just keep 446 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: the conversation going. You know. So I said this, I 447 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: said this is often um. In a couple of places 448 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: publicly where it's like at the at the core, you 449 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: have to believe in blockchain technology and that ultimately there 450 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: will be a currency on the blockchain that is well embraced, right, 451 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: whether that's gonna be Ethereum, whether that's gonna be Bitcoin, 452 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: whether that's going to be you know, light coin, pick one, 453 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: but ultimately there will be a currency that we use 454 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: in in this new world. And so that's where my 455 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: personal belief is. Yes, you may see Ethereum down crazy 456 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: amount of money. You may see Bitcoin down sixty dollars 457 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: last year, what's twenty or something right now? Yes, but 458 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: do you believe in the fundamentals and that there will 459 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: be a winner? And my job is just to position 460 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: myself to be on a wave of a winner ultimately. No, 461 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: what do you say, Julie, No, A hundred percent, A 462 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: hundred percent. You really got to believe in it. And 463 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: I think you know that. The part that gets me 464 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: excited around Web three and sparked my interest initially was 465 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: that athlete to fan engagement and what can be done 466 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: with it, because I think the athlete to fan engagement 467 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: as it is now, fans are always at that arms 468 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: length distance. Um. That being said, any community they have. 469 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: They don't own any of those platforms. That those platforms 470 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: go down. Any social people are Web two platform, any 471 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: social network as of now, they really won't have any 472 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: control over that. That being said, when you look at 473 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: Web three, you know whether it's in the form of 474 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: a doubt, whether they launch a project with utility backed 475 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: on what their community actually wants to get from them. 476 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: They have control of that. They have that complete foundation. 477 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: So if Instagram is not cool ten years from now, 478 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: Terence can still have its community. And hey, we might 479 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: have start of that five dred to a thousand, maybe 480 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: we're at fifteen thousand people by the time Terrences is 481 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: forty and his dreads are gray. But at least he'll 482 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: learn that he'll he'll he'll own that community and also 483 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: by then have a really, really finite understanding of what 484 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: they want from him. And I think take it a 485 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: step further, he probably is going to meet a lot 486 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: of people um that he finds himself interested in within 487 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: his community, and from there, who knows what can happen 488 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: in terms of the opportunities. I mean, you're doing a 489 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: great job of giving me these allues because it's that 490 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: segways beautifully into what I wanted to talk about next, 491 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: and that was, um, the opportunity in Web three for 492 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: influencers and athletes versus what happened in Web two. And 493 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned this, I tasted this earlier where I mentioned, like, 494 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, in Web two, it's like you do something 495 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: and you get paid. So there was this you know 496 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: thing about and you probably tarency to even have these opportunities. 497 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: Somebody wants you to post something on I G and 498 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: they pay you, right, and so that's that's an influencer 499 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: type of relationship. And Web three allows you more collaborative opportunities, 500 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: more long term ownership opportunities. How do you imagine those 501 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,959 Speaker 1: sort of deals, Julian and you can chime in on 502 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: this two Tim, But how do you imagine those Web 503 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: three deals might be structured? Because most people who think 504 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: about okay, you know, we want to a brand wants 505 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: you to do something. Okay, they pay you and then 506 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: y'all I do it and I'm done. But how might 507 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: those deals play out as we start to evolve and 508 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: mature in Web three when the car dealership is calling 509 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: and saying, hey, we want Tarmas to do this, the 510 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: good or the bad. Let's do both. First, I'll say 511 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: I feel like the bad. I'll talk about the bad 512 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: in the sense I mean, I feel like the bad 513 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: can be in a similar way. You know, just post 514 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: my oh what three space or whatever on your Instagram 515 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: and we pay, and you know, the athlete has no 516 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: idea a you know, what's going on with that, with 517 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: that n f T or that whoever you know, pay 518 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: them and be they don't know what's a text to it. 519 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: You know, they're just doing it for the money and 520 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: to post. So I think that can you know, that's 521 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: definitely a bad way of going about it. And I 522 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: feel like that's happened to a few people so far. Um. 523 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: You see a lot of bad cases that has happened 524 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 1: so far. So um yeah, Julie, Yeah, I mean I 525 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: think on the web three side, it's not as cut 526 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: and dry, just due to regulations. You know, obviously some 527 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: cryptos not being securities. People wanted them to be securities. 528 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: So you open yourself up potentially if you go and 529 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: partner with the wrong project, um to a lot of 530 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: legal stuff that could happen to you, you know, if 531 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: you partner with the wrong project. That being said, Um, 532 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: when I think around our approach in terms of a 533 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: good Web three deal and what we need to do. 534 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: We do really really in depth research in terms of 535 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: who this project is, who the team is, who are 536 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: the depths behind it. If it's a player arm ecosystem, 537 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: who are they going and outsourcing it to potentially, if so, 538 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: to actually build this game? Is it possible? So? I 539 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: think in that model, um and even through the Web 540 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: three community, I think they're doing a really good job 541 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: of kind of blocking out that influencer model. If people 542 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: are coming and just dropping projects. You've seen some celebrities 543 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: that have done it as of recent that haven't sold 544 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: as much. No names mentioned. Um So, I think that 545 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: model is going to be pushed away. And if you're 546 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: not of that crypto community, you don't make that effort 547 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: to really indulge yourself in the Web three space. I 548 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: don't know if those paid you know, kind of pay 549 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: to play type partnerships will I will even work anymore, 550 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: And honestly, for good reason. If it's not authentic, you 551 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't do it. Um So, that's kind of my approach there. 552 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the good stuff. Yeah, in 553 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: regards to the good stuff, I think it's gonna be 554 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be uh, you know, way easier 555 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: to activate your fans and turn them into communities by 556 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: actually opening up who you are as a person. I 557 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: think we look at too many NBA players and say 558 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: you are what you do. It's not true. You meet 559 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: them and you start to figure out, Okay, who are you? 560 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: And that being said, I think in regards to what's 561 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: your would have doing the blockchain in terms of just 562 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: identity verification of who that person is. Once we start 563 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: to get more wallets connected to web two sites, I 564 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: think Web three users will become really really powerful, uh 565 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: and knowing hey, this person has also taken the time 566 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: to see what my buying history is, my purchasing history, 567 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: who am I interested in, and based upon that, they're 568 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: now cultivating an experience for me where someone in going 569 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: paying them to do something is now worth it because 570 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to drive value back by understanding 571 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: who's actually in the community, what they want, and how 572 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: I can be a value to them. You want you do? 573 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: You said you in chiming or something terris about the 574 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: good stuff that's happening. No, I was, I mean, I 575 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: agree with that, and I think um, you know, when 576 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: you get to the NBA or to the NFL, whatnot, 577 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people tell you that you're now a business. 578 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: And I think this is a you know, the Web 579 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: three space. It would be a great segue to really 580 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: showing yourself and I guess you know, your family or whoever, 581 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: that you are a business. You know, whether that's interacting 582 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: with your fans or you know, knowing where you're gonna 583 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: get certain stuff from certain interactions, from what they want, 584 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: what they don't want. Um, And I think that will 585 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: be more you know of athletes realized walk more like wow, 586 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: I am a business, and maybe it'll you know, make 587 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: them make smarter decisions or you know, just help them 588 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: a lot off the court knowing that their business for sure. 589 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: You know, you you make me think. I remember Rich 590 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: Paul talking about this where he's like, well, he he 591 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: tries not to say it too directly because there's because 592 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: they can cause trouble. But he did mention a couple 593 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: of times that you know, these agents haven't done a 594 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: lot of work over the last few year because they 595 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: haven't had to. And so you call the same people 596 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: for opportunities for your athletes, you call the same studios 597 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: you call the same things and then you know, I 598 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: go back to the athlete and like, yo, I put 599 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: I put in this work for you. Some things work, 600 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: some things don't, but they haven't had to be innovative. 601 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's so long because they got all the 602 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: cards and when he comes in the league, he's trying 603 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: different things. And so around Web three are the but 604 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: who surround athletes and your experience and things that you're 605 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: aware of. Are they trying to find ways to be 606 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: more innovative to UM, to be more attractive to athletes 607 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: who are coming into the game these days. UM, I 608 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: could add some color there, I think, UM, from that standpoint, 609 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: it definitely does. That. Being said, there's also tons of money, 610 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, to continue doing what agencies are doing now. 611 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: They have tons of you know, endorsement deals and partnerships. 612 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: From that standpoint, I think the ones that really focus 613 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: on it, you know, you can open your players up 614 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: to make alternative incomes and streams. On Terrence's end, he's 615 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: got a great agent. He's with the great agency with 616 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: w M and b d A. UM, so I think 617 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: he's taken care of. From that perspective, everyone out there, 618 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, there might not be some agencies that are 619 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: working towards that Web three space and starting to figure out, hey, 620 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: how can we get our guys involved in this and 621 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: really help them continue to build their busines. This is 622 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: I think on myself, Um, I work with athletes, but 623 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: it's not really a passion of mind to say I'm 624 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: going to go out and work with a ton of athletes. 625 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: Myself from Terrence are locked in from that standpoint as 626 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: well as Mellow in terms of building his business. Or 627 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: if Web three is a part of that enterprise that 628 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: a player wants to indulge into, I feel that their 629 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: agency or you know, whether it's a business partner should 630 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: help them in doing so. Um, but it really depends 631 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: that you want to put your put together your team honestly. Yeah, 632 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: speak more on that because when you when you think 633 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: about We've had this conversation a lot on this podcast 634 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: and other places when I'm talking to athletes, is when 635 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta hang the shoes up, or you 636 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: gotta put the boxing gloves down, or you gotta you know, 637 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: hang your your the net, you gotta take the net 638 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: down or whatever, like when the game is done, how 639 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: have you prepared yourself for the life after that. And 640 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 1: the reason I bring this up because there's still ways 641 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: to stay involved in the game, just from a different perspective. 642 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: And so when you're thinking about people who don't even 643 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: reach the levels that you two guys have made, um 644 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: and being the one or the two athletes being in 645 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: the n b A, Um, can you talk about the 646 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: other opportunities? I imagine even with W three sports, there's 647 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: still other ways and there's still other opportunities in the NBA, 648 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: the NFL, the NHL that you know, the baseball league, like, 649 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: there's still other opportunities to get involved even if you're 650 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: not playing anymore. So can you speak to the other 651 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: opportunities people may not be considering when they realize that 652 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: they may not be the actual person on court or 653 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 1: on the field anymore, right, Um, I think you know, 654 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: there's there's so many different ways nowadays. UM, you know, 655 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: especially with you know, social media booming as it is now. UM, 656 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, the web three, n f T talk. There's 657 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: so many different opportunities you know, where guys can get 658 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: back involved. Um, you know, with with athletes they might 659 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: have played with who went on to you know, do 660 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: more than they did. You know, get on there, you know, 661 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: talk to them about getting on their team, bring them opportunity. 662 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: I think that's what it is mainly, especially for me 663 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: when I was building my team, is to see, you know, 664 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: who can bring our tunity And a lot of it 665 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: were guys that you know I played with who you 666 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: know didn't get to make it as far as I did, 667 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: but you know they played D two, D three. That's 668 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: mainly my whole team. You know, a bunch of guys 669 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: who loot before, went out and educated themselves, um in 670 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: different sort of ways and are bringing something to the table. 671 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: So you know, I think, just educate yourself on something 672 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: you you know, value and you think you can bring 673 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: to the table and do such because there's so many 674 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: different ways of doing it nowadays. Julian, were you looking 675 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: for a way to get involved in athletics and you said, hey, 676 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: Web three is my way or Web three came first 677 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: and you say, okay, this is something I can bring 678 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: value to the table with. It's a great question. People 679 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: ask me all the time what I do. I said, 680 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm a tech guy that knows a lot of people 681 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: in sports, mother sports guy that got into tech. Um. 682 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: So from that standpoint, I think I was able to 683 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: identify early on my brother's best friends with Kyrie, what 684 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: his team consisted of, and what somebody at that level 685 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: was interested in in terms of how they could build 686 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: their own career up off the court to build an enterprise. 687 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: That being said, from there, um you know, nine years later, 688 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: I've been working in tech, ventured in venture capital, in 689 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: real estate. Um So, everything that I do with Terrence, um, 690 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: it's all things that I've been able to do myself. 691 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: Anything that we're going to take a look at from 692 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: an investment standpoint, from a Web three standpoint, I don't 693 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: really take that manager approach or anything of that. I 694 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: look at uself as a business partner. Anything that he 695 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: or any athletes, um, you know I work with, I'll 696 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: be in as well. Um So, from that standpoint, I 697 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: real least identified what what what what does value mean? 698 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: You know when I ask you, hey, where do you 699 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: want to be in thirty years? And I think I 700 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: have a much different approach because I'm focused on where 701 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: is Terence gonna be in fifteen years? How can we 702 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: at forty now turn back and say, you know, to 703 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: NBA rookies, Terrence is exactly his path is exactly what 704 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: something you should mirror and this is why, and we 705 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: break down exactly how we started, and people might see, 706 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, a business enterprise at that point and then 707 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: reverse engineer of how we got here, because I think 708 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 1: that's Those are conversations that a lot of people we 709 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: don't have with the NBA players because once their career 710 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: has done, there's no more money to be made. But 711 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: if you actually care about the person, you're gonna take 712 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: that approach and whether or not he you know, continues 713 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: to play till these forty or he plays till these thirty. 714 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: I want to be in a position to say we're 715 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: gonna go make money in these five different ways. We've 716 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: already built that brand equity while you were in the NBA, 717 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: so now it's time to continue and really go grow 718 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: those avenues for you to start your next career. Both 719 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: of you guys have mentioned this UM phrase in this 720 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: building a team around the athlete, and I wonder, UM, 721 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna imagine it's not like just you know, 722 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: you know, you trip over building a team, but there's 723 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: some intentionality in building that that that circle of influence 724 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: around you to provide opportunities to protect you um, to 725 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: look out for the gout for you in different ways. 726 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: How are you intentional about because you mentioned Kyrie's gout one, 727 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned entire uh, um, tie this guy here's got one. 728 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: How are you intentional about putting the right people around 729 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: you to find those opportunities for you? Because I imagine 730 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: that it's not just the team or the agent. You 731 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: need this suite of people. But as you saying, these 732 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: are the people that I want around So for me personally, UM, 733 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: as a professional athlete, for me, it was watching people closely, UM, 734 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: at each level, like I went up and up, so 735 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: like starting in high school, you know, checking my friend's circles, 736 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: seeing who's around me, see what they're doing, seeing what 737 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: their interests are, seeing if they're taking you know, life serious, 738 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: seeing if they're taking their stuff you know, off the 739 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: court real serious. UM. And then you kind of you 740 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: kind of start to you know, build a picture in 741 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: your brain, like you know, if I make it, I'm 742 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: gonna bring I want to bring this person with me, 743 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: and I want this person working with me. UM. And 744 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: then I get to college, you know, seeing different how 745 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: people started moving when I was in college and UM, 746 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: and that's where you really start to see where guys, 747 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, take off, which direction they're going. I think 748 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: it's really you know, when you're at like nineteen twenty, 749 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: you really get to see, you know, who stands out 750 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: whose head, whose heads on their shoulders and right directions, 751 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: and so at that point you're like, all right, if 752 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: I really make it now, I'm taking you know, I'm 753 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: gonna ask this person and if they want to be 754 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: on my team, I think they bring value in this area. 755 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: So then once you get there, I feel like once 756 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: I got there, I knew, I knew exactly what I needed, 757 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted, I knew exactly what to look for. 758 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: UM And that just came with time and watching people closely. 759 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: Julian Chiman on this because I imagine this has implications 760 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: for people who aren't professional athletes, where people who will 761 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: find success in whatever path in life is they need 762 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: those key people around them. Yeah. I think a really 763 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: big part of it is understanding who the player is 764 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: and what they want. You know, what does success look 765 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: like the terrence off the quarter or any player UM 766 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: for that And the reason I think that is when 767 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: you think about the team as soon as the season starts, 768 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: the main thing is the main thing that's your job 769 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: is if they're getting paid for, you gotta really complete that. 770 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: So one, you gotta look at people that have expertise 771 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: in areas that you want to build into. Have they 772 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: done this without me? Could they do this without me? 773 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: Or am I the key to get in the door? 774 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: And again you could always think you're always gonna have that. 775 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: Look at Lebron. You know everyone that he was brought 776 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: on that was their first time and you're one of 777 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: the most powerful circles in sports. So that being said, 778 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: it's not to say, hey, you need to come from 779 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: a certain place with a certain pedigree to work for me. 780 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: And then secondly is can you trust them? Can you 781 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: trust them if you're if you're not in that room, 782 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: can that person be swayed whether it's hey, this this 783 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: could is what could happen for you, or this amount 784 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: of money could go here, or or is it someone 785 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: that you can really say, Hey, this person has my back, 786 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: I trust them, think I can build with them, and 787 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 1: this is a long term thing. So no dollar sign, 788 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: you know, backdoor deal, whatever it may be, because I 789 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: think a lot of that happens in the sports world. 790 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: To ensure that will never happen. I think when you 791 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: do that, you know the ship will continue to sail. 792 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: And I think when people get stingy and start to, 793 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, think about themselves, because again, in representation, management, partnering, 794 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: you're there to support the talent. It's always about them. 795 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people start to gain 796 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: their egos and kind of build themselves up once that 797 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: team is made. But it's really just about playing your 798 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: part and doing it to the best of my ability. 799 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: You know. Also within t S team, I just do 800 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: what I do to the best of my ability, and 801 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: I want to be the best at that, and then 802 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: the rest of the team happles up. Um. I want 803 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: to I want to end here because I think we 804 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: have this huge conversation happening in athletics now, particularly non 805 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: pro athletes where you're talking D one, D two, D 806 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: three high school even um about the n I L name, 807 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: image and likeness, right um. And I wonder your thoughts 808 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: on how um, because right now it's almost like in 809 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: a Web two space. It's like, hey, I'm gonna pay 810 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: you to post, right um. So it's pure Web two 811 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: right now. But I imagine somebody like you Julian maybe 812 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: thinking maybe about how this could play out for them 813 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: in a Web three space. So can you talk about 814 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: number one, just your position on how athletes can take 815 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: better advantage of their their their n I L their name, 816 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: image and likeness, and how the how the third version 817 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: of the Web may assist there. Yeah, I think this is, 818 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: uh again a little bit of a different approach than 819 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: most people have. When you think about collegiate athletes, two 820 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: percent are gonna play professional sports. Even less than that 821 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: are going to be in playing any type of professional sports. 822 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: I think it's like point oh three percent are going 823 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: to be playing within three years. So that being said, 824 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: if you are in that top top, top top portion, 825 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: put a team around you to obviously put you in 826 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: a place where you can succeed more so than just 827 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: posting a picture. And when I say that, it really 828 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: does turn to content creation that by expecting you to 829 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: go sit there, cut up TikTok's things of that nature. No, 830 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: of course not, but people put people you know around 831 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: you that can do that give a little bit of 832 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: a you know, peel the layer back per se. In 833 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: terms of what you maybe do off the floor, I 834 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: think Ben Simmons did something really really good when he 835 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: was in college he had that entire documentary. It really 836 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: kind of created and sprouted his brand when he got 837 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: to the NBA of who We Off the Floor. Um, 838 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: but my advice to most people within the n i 839 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: L space is, again, look at the statistics. Only two 840 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: percent of you were going to play professionally. Utilize who 841 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 1: you are as an athlete to separate yourself in whatever 842 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: lane that you're going to delve into after sports. And 843 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: that being said, I think there's endless ways that you 844 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 1: can do that. But you know, if you're a fearless competitor, um, 845 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: you know, you're a captain of a team, you're someone 846 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: with a really really large success story as you know, 847 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: well those are all stories that you're gonna tell in interviews. 848 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: Start to prepare yourself for that and kind of get 849 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: collateral now while you're playing that sport. So you know, 850 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: maybe with an n i L deal, it's not even 851 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: about what you do on the court or what you 852 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: do off the on the field. Maybe it's about the 853 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: content creation and the person that you obviously are starting 854 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: to bring to the world, and that's backed by your 855 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: sports and obviously your play. But um, really show the 856 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: world who you are and you know, start to identify 857 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: what in sports, as you had brought up earlier, connects 858 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: really well with the real world, because even if you 859 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: go pro, you're still gonna need to identify those things 860 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 1: around you and that can care you not five ten years, 861 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: but fifty years. And I think that's black people, that's 862 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: what we need. 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