1 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it now, 2 00:00:37,280 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: release slowly again, deep in helle hold release, repeating internally 3 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am deeply, 4 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: deeply well. I I am deeply well. I am deeply 5 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast. 6 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on 7 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative, 8 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care. 9 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown. This is where we heal, this is 10 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: where we become. Today we have oh my gosh, extra extra, 11 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: extra extra special guest, huge fan. I actually was like 12 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: vibing to the album the whole week getting ready. So 13 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: we are going to dive into all the things extra 14 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: special guest. Grammy Award winning singer, songwriter, activist, and acclaimed 15 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: actress Andrew Day has been bearing her heart on the 16 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: world stage four years. She was initially best known for 17 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: her twenty sixteen Grammy nominated Rise Up, which amassed over 18 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: one billion streams and an r IAA triple platinum certification, 19 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: and she has performed alongside everyone from Stevie Wonder to 20 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: the Obamas to Nick Jonas Alicia Keys. In twenty twenty one, 21 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: her feature acting debut in the Lee Daniels directed biopic 22 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: The United States Versus Billie Holiday, in which she starred 23 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: as Holiday herself, earned a Golden Globe for Best Performance 24 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: by an Actress in a Motion Picture Drama and a 25 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: nomination for Best Actress at the Oscars. She also won 26 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: a Grammy Award for Best Soundtrack Visual Media and BET 27 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: Award for Best Actress. Since the film, she hasn't slowed down, 28 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: making appearances at the Golden Globes, The View, The Tonight Show, 29 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: and The Daily Show, among others. What's more, Andra continues 30 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: to support causes close to her heart and has worked 31 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: with Give Directly, Public Counsel, and the Biden Harris Administration, 32 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: to name a few. Her most recent studio album, Cassandra, 33 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: is a soulful and timeless body of work that captures 34 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: the artist essence and admitable vocals. Welcome to the show, thank. 35 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: You, Wow, look the whole time? Who wrote that bio? 36 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: They may have that stuff up. No, it's actually really cool. 37 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes you hear it back and you're like, wow, it's 38 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: pretty amazing. 39 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. And I mean, like some of the 40 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: things that stand out. I mean, God, okay, let me think, 41 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: because I have so many ways that I want to 42 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: wind through this conversation because I think the thing that 43 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: becomes so apparent, especially when you hear that album, but 44 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: definitely when you just hear the sound of your voice, 45 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: the word is like depth. 46 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: Oh wow, thank you, Like depth, like immediate depth. 47 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: And it's like even to see an experience of it's 48 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: like your feature debut and you're Oscar nominated and you 49 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: go for Globe winning like that is wow. 50 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much. And Emmy Emmy, which 51 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: you're not gonna lie to you. I did not know 52 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: we had until what was it two years after what 53 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody about it. I think it 54 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: was like in an interview too that I can and 55 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: saying you and you got you're close to any guys, 56 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: Like no, I'm not. I was like, Brammy and a nomination. 57 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: They're like, we have an Emmy too, and I was 58 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: like no, They're like, yeah, you do. I was like what. 59 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: I was like, this is a crazy way to discover that. 60 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: So is a friends and family Emmy. I think for 61 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: a show that we uh. I think it was the 62 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: view was it the Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like, 63 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: that's pretty cool. Yeah. 64 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: Wow. So I have been enjoying your album, Cassandra just 65 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: came out, so it's available, go get it, go get it, 66 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: and I have really been sinking into it. And the 67 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: thing that was like really powerful to me is I'm like, oh, 68 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: this whole album is a spiritual journey and. 69 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: Love, absolutely absolutely, of all different kinds God different love, 70 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 2: divine love, godly love, love for myself, love with other people, 71 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: and all the bumps and all the things along the way. 72 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent that. Yes, I love that. That's 73 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: what you picked up for me. Yeah, that makes me 74 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: so happy. 75 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: Every every song and every like all the themes I 76 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: was feeling from each song, I was like, oh wow, 77 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm being led and like being walked through this, you know, 78 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: this kind of labyrinth of love and all the different 79 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: all the different ways that you can experience it. 80 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 81 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's quite the undertaking as a singer, as a songwriter. 82 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: How did love become the vision for this and especially 83 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: in such like a multifaceted way. 84 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting, Like you said, it's it 85 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: can be a challenge, it can be an undertaking, but 86 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: I I think if you the truth of the matter is, 87 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: I feel like life is actually that you know what 88 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: I mean. So it's funny. I think that if you're 89 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: present and you are open, you know what I mean, 90 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: and you're willing to actually share those things. You know, 91 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: there's something we talk about, like I'm a person of faith, 92 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: and there's something we talk about which is like a testimony, 93 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: which is just your life. It's your story. Like people 94 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: always want to tell people what to do and all 95 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: the things, but it's like it's actually your life that's 96 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: probably the thing that's the most influential people. And so 97 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 2: I think that, like, you know, if you're willing to share, 98 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: because it's a really scary thing to do, I think 99 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: to be vulnerable and to be open. But I think 100 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: if you're willing to share, then life, you know, no 101 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: matter what you do, whether it's music or any type 102 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: of visual media or painting or movie telling or storytelling, 103 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: you know, movies. I think if you're willing to be 104 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: open and you're willing to be candid and share and 105 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: show all of the good parts and the ugly parts, 106 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: and you kind of end up just taking people on 107 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: a jail. Like I feel like we're all on this 108 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: really big love journey, you know what I'm saying, And 109 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: that's for me. Starts with with God and you know, 110 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: God's love for me, mind for God, and then my 111 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: love for myself, you know, which has been the harder 112 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: part of the journey, I think. And then my love 113 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: for other people and there's for me. So it's it's interesting, 114 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: it's I think the hard part about it isn't necessarily 115 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: crafting it. I think it's being overcoming your fear to 116 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: be vulnerable enough to actually talk about these things, you know, 117 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: and then it kind of crafts itself a little bit. 118 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: You know, and talk about it in the sense too 119 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: of it being in service too, because I think there's 120 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: a difference like when artists create with love as the inspiration, 121 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: because you can be talking or creating with love from the. 122 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: Wounded capacity, yeah, for sure. 123 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: And then you can be creating about love from like 124 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: the wisdom path, which is I'm on the other side 125 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: of it, and so I understand the layers and I 126 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: can share it. 127 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: With you, yes, one hundred percent. And actually, and while 128 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: I think both can be useful, you know what I'm saying. 129 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: I think sometimes sometimes and someone's in the midst of something. 130 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: You just need to hear someone in the midst of something. 131 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: But I think the tool, when it's used as a tool, 132 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: it is in service of right because even when you're 133 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: in the midst of something, if you hear some music 134 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: or a piece of something someone going through the same thing, 135 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: it's still as helpful because it makes you go, I'm 136 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: not the only one. And sometimes that's the little nugget 137 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: that you need to be like, oh, there's a way, 138 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. This isn't this particular thing 139 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: I'm dealing with, or this pain or heartbreak or whatever 140 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: it is. It's not I'm not isolated here, you know 141 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 2: what I mean. This is not unfamiliar. But to speak 142 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: to what you were talking about, I think for me, 143 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 2: it's interesting that you say that because I'm very much 144 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: like that. And I was actually talking to another artist 145 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: for and like not too long ago, and she's like 146 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: that too, where we both were like, I can't really 147 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: write or necessarily create when I'm in the midst of it, 148 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: Like I have to just go through it, you know 149 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 2: what I mean. It's so hard, and my hat's off 150 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: to people who can do that, but I need I 151 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: don't even necessarily need to be fully out of it. 152 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: But I need to have gained some siety, right, I 153 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: need to have gained some clarity. I need to when 154 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: I can start to see, you know again, my relationship 155 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: with God. When I can start to see myself and 156 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 2: that person more clearly, that's when I can start to 157 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: talk about it, you know what I'm saying, Like literally 158 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: right on the heels of where I'm like, Oh, this 159 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: is what this was for, you know what I mean, 160 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: this relationship, it might not have lasted forever, but it 161 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: was meant to teach me about boundaries, or it was 162 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: meant to teach me about myself and how I move 163 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: in relationships, or where I've been selfish or where I've 164 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: been too lenient, you know what I mean. And so 165 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: I am definitely that way. It is in service of 166 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: like I have to reflect in order to actually speak 167 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: about it and sing about it. And so I think 168 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: for me it helps because you know then, like you said, 169 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 2: you're speaking from a place of hopefully from a place 170 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: of learn, you know, learney, and like revelation and understanding, 171 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. 172 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: It's interesting because, like in meditation, the goal of where 173 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: you're always trying to to What you're pursuing when you 174 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: meditate is to come into the role of being the 175 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: silent observer, the observer of self and everything around you. 176 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: And like, that's what I hear and what you're saying 177 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: in your process. It's like I've observed it. I have 178 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: a grasp of it now, and so I'm speaking to 179 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: love from less of this like personalized happening to me 180 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: space and where I'm standing on the outside of me, 181 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: and it's like, ah, this is what's going on. It's 182 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: actually holistic, you know what I mean. So it's really yeah, 183 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: and I think that that because there are many facets. 184 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: You know, when people talk about love issues again, it 185 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: can just be a person at verse relationship. 186 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, the array of love, right, you know 187 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: what I mean, how multifaceted it is. I think can 188 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: be missed if you're only talking about it, like you said, 189 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 2: from the wounded in the midst of it perspective, you know, 190 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: And a lot of the healing comes from not even 191 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: the love of that relationship, but you know, the self 192 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: love the God. I mean for sure you know. 193 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: That from that standpoint too. I'm so curious because you know, 194 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: I definitely feel and hear and see the deep connection 195 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: to God, to source, to love itself. And I think 196 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: it's really powerful to approach it in the way that 197 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: you did. Like everyone, we look at love sometimes as 198 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: this this thing, this outward experience, or we think that 199 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: it's so compartmentalized, like it's like that's romantic love. But 200 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: this is the love I have for my child, and 201 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: this love I have for myself, and my love is 202 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: love like love is love. It is prismatic, it is 203 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, all encompassing. But I'm so curious because it 204 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: one of the things and I'm going to read this specifically. 205 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: It's like this project examines every iteration of love, lost, gained, rekindled, 206 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: interpersonal and with a higher power. Tell me about how 207 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: you experience all of that. How did you approach kind 208 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: of unpacking it and how do you feel it? 209 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: That's really good. Oh that's a good question. Ooh, that's 210 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: good because it was gonna make me, you know, like, 211 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: let me take a second think about this. Now, how 212 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: do I experience that? Uh? It's interesting because I also think, okay, 213 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: how do I experience it? Like you said, love is 214 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: a lot of things, Love sometimes is simply as also 215 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: growth as well too, you know what I mean. That Like, 216 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: I think that's where but I think for me personally, 217 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: so I'll just talk about for me, love definitely starts 218 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: with my relationship with God. It starts with my my 219 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 2: just experiencing love and actually receiving it, you know what 220 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: I mean, which is in a way that's actually unconditional. 221 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. There's something that we hear 222 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: all the time that says that God's love is unconditional. 223 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: God's grace and mercy is are new daily, you know 224 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: what I mean. They never run out you know, as people, 225 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: of course, we run out with finite, you know what 226 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: I mean. But I when I learned to accept it 227 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: and receive, and that's when my self love comes in 228 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: is also like accepting and receiving that, like this love 229 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 2: and this well of love that you have is not. 230 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: Going to reun dry. 231 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: Because I struggle with that. I'm kind of like, yeah, 232 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: but I messed up here and I did this, and 233 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 2: so I do and I've my whole life, I've dealt 234 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: with that, you know what I mean. And it's interesting 235 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: because in this season, with this album, is the first 236 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: time I'm being like, wow, I'm really loved. Like I'm loved, 237 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: I'm intentional, I'm purposed, you know what I'm saying to 238 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: be here, and so it really really starts there. And 239 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: so I've made tons of mistakes in my life, you know, 240 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: and I've gotten and I'm getting to a point of 241 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 2: learning to like forgive myself and love myself because again, 242 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: there is a constant love that I do have in 243 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: my life. For me, everybody has different whatever their sources whatever. 244 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: For me, that is God. And then from that place 245 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: of learning to love myself, I'm like, oh, so now 246 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 2: I can actually see how to love, you know what 247 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: I'm saying like other people, and learn how to have 248 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: grace and like Marcie and understanding and like to try 249 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: not to deal with people from the seat of offense. 250 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? You know what I mean? It's hard, 251 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: It's for sure hard. We're gonna do it, you know 252 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: what I mean at times, But even in that, it's 253 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: like I don't have to do it perfectly, like you 254 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: know what I mean, try to that's my desire, That's 255 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: what I want. But to understand, like, oh, now, in 256 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: my life, I want to be a safe place for people, 257 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: you know what I mean now in my life, like 258 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: I want people to be able to be truthful and 259 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: be comfortable and be vulnerable and all the things, because 260 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: nobody is. I hate even when the term nobody's perfect 261 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: because it's so far away from what weir you know 262 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: what I mean, We're not, you know, Like, but it's 263 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: like there's something. It teaches me how to love people 264 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: and how to treat people and how to value them. 265 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: If you don't value them, you can't really love them. 266 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: But when, because of my relationship with God, when I 267 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: see every person I walk into a room with like like, 268 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: you know, all of us are made up of vibrations, right, 269 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: I was talking about this the other day. Down to 270 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: an atomic level, sub atomic level, we are actually made 271 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: up of sound, which is crazy because for me, you 272 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: hear like God spoke. Right. So then when I can 273 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: walk into a room and I can look at everybody 274 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: like while you're actually the vibrating voice of God, of 275 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: love itself, the source of love. Like, then even if 276 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: I'm mad at you, I still got to treat you 277 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: with respect and treat you differently, you know what I mean, 278 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: Like I have to walk with honor. So that relationship 279 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: with love has really taught me how to love myself, 280 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: which is still a process, and how to love you know, 281 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: other people and not deal with them out of their 282 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: issues are my issues, but like their inherent value, you. 283 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. 284 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, so that's definitely a very interconnected. 285 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: Thing for sure. Yes, And that is that's the Journey's 286 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: that's the journey for sure. 287 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, absolutely. 288 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: Especially like what I'm hearing and what you're saying, it's like, 289 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: no matter what's happening, extending dignity to every being. 290 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: One hundred percent of you. Absolutely absolutely, And I think 291 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: just it's just it's hard because life gets hard, you 292 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, life, you're way heavily like. But 293 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: I think when you can, like you said, see people's 294 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: inherent value and understand that everybody is going through something, 295 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, then I think it Oddly enough, 296 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: people look at it as like, oh, you're just letting 297 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: people off the hook, and like it actually frees you 298 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: right yourself, you know, so you kind of can walk 299 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: around with a little bit even if you frustrate, you 300 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: have a little bit more peace because it's like this 301 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: isn't a foreign thing, like we're all kind of dealing 302 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: with these things. 303 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it's so powerful to say that because, 304 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: as you said, life is challenging. Yeah, also by design. 305 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah's exactly right. You've got to make it to heaven. 306 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: Why are we in heaven now? 307 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? And this idea is like I always have this 308 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: the phrase. I always think about this phrase all the time. 309 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: The gold is refined in fire, like it is purified 310 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: and made beautiful and perfect, and this beautiful, amazing thing 311 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: through fire, you know what I mean. So yeah, yeah, 312 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: it's definitely hard, you know what I mean. So, like 313 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: you said, having just patience and grace and understanding with 314 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: people and look at them based on the value not 315 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 2: their stuff, you know what I'm. 316 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: Saying, And like the bigger stories that are at play 317 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: just about like our absolute activity and everything is refined 318 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: in relationship. 319 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, absolutely that is so. So you're great. 320 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: This is a great way to come to work. I 321 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 2: was like, why do I have the coded places? I 322 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: love it here we're in the area. What's your favorite 323 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 2: song on the album? Oh? Okay, so that changes all 324 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: the time. It depends, Yeah, it depends on but I 325 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: think one of my favorite songs on the album pretty 326 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: consistently is nervous. It's a song called Nervous. Yeah, I 327 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: really really love that song because I I initially wrote 328 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: it for women, right, you know what I mean, Because 329 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: there is this thing that happens when you're a woman, 330 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: especially when you're standing in your power, you know what 331 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: I mean, where it's like all of these weird narratives 332 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: to well, women will take over women as also like 333 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: they might, but who care? You know what I mean? 334 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: Who cares? Like and they do, but who cares? And 335 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: so it's this idea that it's like a woman standing 336 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: in her power is really threatening, right, you know what 337 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: I mean? And then as I was finishing the song, 338 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: I'm realizing, I'm like, this applies to everyone. Everyone standing 339 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: in their power can be feel threatening to someone or 340 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 2: feel you know. But there's it's like this idea that 341 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: it's like the colonization mentality, right, you know, you have 342 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 2: something that's so powerful and it's influential, and instead of 343 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 2: me receiving it, you know, and being blessed by it 344 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: the way I was intended to, now I need to 345 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: sort of colonize it, control it and suppress it and 346 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: all the things. Whereas like and why because of fear 347 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: because it makes us uncomfortable. You as a woman standing 348 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: in your power, as a person of color, standing as 349 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: a queer person standing in your power makes people uncomfortable. 350 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: But the truth is we're not meant to be comfortable, 351 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it's like there's this 352 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: idea that like we might be, but likes people say, 353 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 2: blocking our a blessing is trying to suppress someone else's 354 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 2: whatever that thing is, whatever that power is, as opposed 355 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 2: to being like it's supposed to make you uncomfortable because 356 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: it's designed to grow you, you know what I mean. 357 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: So it's like it's like a system, like you said 358 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 2: at play, that we miss because we're too busy trying 359 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: to get comfortable, and that's not how we're designed to be. 360 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: I don't think you know what I mean. So yeah, 361 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: that's why that's so good. 362 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so good, especially in this day and age. 363 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: Like it's so deep because in this day and age, 364 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: especially as we're being like equipped with different like language 365 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: and understandings, right, Like, people are very hyper aware of. 366 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: Their triggers, right right, Yes. 367 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: And you know there is this kind of thing happening 368 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: where it's it's about having boundaries and not getting triggered. 369 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: And it's like, no, no, you're supposed to get triggered. Yeah, 370 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: some things are supposed to trigger you. Yeah, it's not 371 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: about like insulating yourself and staying away from all the 372 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: trigger because like, yes, exactly, Oh you're triggered investigated. 373 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be with it. Yeah, that's the interesting thing. 374 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 2: And I'm like, even in this discovery of like boundaries 375 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 2: and now and how they can be good, but it's 376 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: also a part of that discovery is that like, yeah, 377 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: the boundaries I'm discovering that are good, aren't boundaries meant 378 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: to keep me safe and protected and locked in this 379 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: da da da. There are certain boundaries that go, hey, 380 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: some things are are antithetical to my growth into my 381 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: path and to my purpose, or they're just simply not 382 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 2: for me, you know what I mean. So the boundaries 383 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 2: are more about creating a lane rather where you're growing 384 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: and as opposed to creating a box, you know what 385 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: I mean. So it's like I agree with you, You're right, 386 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 2: there's this very like it seems like self care has 387 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: become like just be calm all the time, you know 388 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: what I mean, or just just you know, be comfortable. 389 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: Like you said, have all these boundaries be locked in, 390 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: be safe? Da da da. But you're right, like agreed, 391 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: we're not supposed to be growth it becomes is an 392 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: uncomfortable thing, you know what I mean. It's not comfortable 393 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: for our baby's bones to be stretching and growing it, 394 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, so it's kind of 395 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: like that idea that like, yeah, self care isn't just 396 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: and also safety is I'm one of those people that 397 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: believes like the idea that like, Okay, I found the 398 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: box where I'm safe and all the stuff. It's a 399 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: little bit of a facadey, you know what I'm saying, 400 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: like like. 401 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: So, yeah, I agree, what's performance? What's hyper vigilance? And 402 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: what is like exactly, God, that is so so, so 403 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: so good, And it's just you know what you're speaking to. 404 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: It's like that multifaceted feeling approach. It isn't meant to 405 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: be peace. I tell people all the time, I go to. 406 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 2: Rage rooms like right, spend money to break stuff? Right, 407 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I haven't gone yet. I actually really want 408 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 2: to try that. Who where we just I think I 409 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: was just talking about it with some star Thos people 410 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 2: on that couch. So that's why we have a girl 411 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: studio today. We're a bunch of beautiful, wonderful women. Also, no, 412 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: I haven't tried one of those yet. You've been to one? 413 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I want to try it. I really 414 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: want to go. 415 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been sacred rage. Yes, we have to let 416 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: ourselves be everything. And it's like that this idea of 417 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: bypassing and just coming to peace. I'm not going to recommend. 418 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what you've been through. You might need 419 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: to release a lot of stuff. Absolutely, I agree, but yeah, 420 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: I'll give you the details. 421 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm gonna check it out. 422 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: A really cool experience. Like you go into this room. 423 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: You have like a mask and all this stuff, and 424 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 1: then you can put on your own music, and you 425 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: have a clock for however much time, and they bring 426 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: you this box full of all this breakable stuff. 427 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: I love it, old electronics. 428 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: Dishes, porcelain, and they give you a bat and they 429 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: give you a crowbar. I'm going in like the first 430 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: time you do it. The first time I threw it, 431 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, ah, like you know, 432 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, it's kind of broken. You're 433 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: like okay, and the next thing, it's like I'm throwing 434 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: stuff in there, crowbar like a bat, like just going 435 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: love that. 436 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: I agree, we do have to get it out, you 437 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: know me absolutely. 438 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: Deeply well, and your huge starring debut as one of 439 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: jess the most iconic figures in history and musical history 440 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: and civil rights history. Yes, Billie Holiday, this movie was 441 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: so heavy. It was incredible. You were phenomenal, you fanomal 442 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: But the layers of it, right, Like, it's like one 443 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: obviously the layers of racism, but then the layers of pain, 444 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: black pain, black woman pain, how we pacify ourselves, and 445 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: then also like mistreatment and manipulation and love like that 446 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: was so striking to me, how every man she fell 447 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: in love with was incredibly unsafe for her. 448 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 449 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of toll did this role take on 450 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: your spirit? 451 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: It's so a I'm so glad you were able to 452 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: kind of see all of that, you know, because that 453 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: is that's a conversation and it's a really hard conversation 454 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 2: for black women and for women of color to have, 455 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: right you know what I mean, It's because it's sort 456 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: of like this idea that like don't talk about your 457 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 2: pain or your experiences. Like within the community, it's almost 458 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: like we have to be a monolith in order to 459 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: get over this hill in order. But I think that 460 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: healing is from the inside out, you know what I mean, 461 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 2: And we need to be able to everybody needs to 462 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: have their space to express, you know, because that was 463 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 2: a huge thing that was I think one of the 464 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 2: things that probably stuck with me the most about her 465 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: person and playing her was the relationships. It absolutely affected 466 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 2: my real life relationships really and I definitely I was 467 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 2: in one for four years that I lost, you know 468 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: when I when I came out because I was it 469 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: was just this need to be loved and validated. It 470 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: was so deep. But you can imagine being a black 471 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: woman in the thirties and the forties is just like 472 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: no one loves you, right, you know what I mean. 473 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 2: And then what you were forced to accept like Billy 474 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: did as love is truly abuse, abuse in its most 475 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 2: pure form, you know. And that's the thing the only 476 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: use your clips one hundred percent, like mental, the emotional, 477 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: the fabsolutely ravages before even any of the physical. All 478 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 2: of that that robbing you of your piece, you know 479 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: what I mean. But as a black woman, during that time, 480 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: It's like, well, I'd rather take this little nugget of nothing, 481 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 2: that's a teeny bit of affection wrapped in a whole 482 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 2: bunch of abuse, because where else am I going to 483 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: get it from, you know what I mean. So that 484 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 2: need and that instant gratification taking whatever, for sure permeated 485 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 2: my life, you know what I mean. That definitely became 486 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: a part of kind of how I was moving, you 487 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: know what I mean. I don't think I really realized 488 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: it as much until later, you know, because I was 489 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: still in it, and you know, there's a lot of things. 490 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: I mean, playing Billy first of all, I want to 491 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: say that, like working with Lee and working with Tasha 492 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: and that cast was just one of the greatest experiences 493 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: in my life. But being her was really one of 494 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: the greatest experiences in my life. I really loved loved 495 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 2: being her. You know. There was just such an unhinged 496 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: kind of bravery and fear, and everything felt heightened, Everything 497 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: felt so much more urgent everything. You know that by 498 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: the time I flew back and landed in LA it 499 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: was just like being at an airport was the was 500 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 2: like worst viewing because I was just like, what is 501 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: the point this is so, like, you know what I mean, 502 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 2: was the point of all this? What is important about this? 503 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: What are we? So I will say that, you know. 504 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: And then so there were really great ways that she 505 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: impacted me, and then there were ways that were harder, 506 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: Like I said, in love and in relationships, it's hard 507 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: to find like my grounding, you know, kind of my 508 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: delibrium again, but I will say that, like, I think 509 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: what helped me a my relationship with God is what 510 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 2: helped me right, relationship with the Lord and I. One 511 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: of the things was realizing that like instead of trying 512 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: to figure out, Okay, wow, I just went through this 513 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 2: insane thing for years and now I got to get 514 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: back to who I was and function exactly how it was. 515 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: It was impossible, you know what I mean. So I 516 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: spent two years trying to figure out that that's actually 517 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: not what I'm supposed to do. And God really like 518 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: got to hold me and was like, hey, you were 519 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: supposed to be grown by this, you were supposed to 520 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 2: be changed by this experience. 521 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 522 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 2: Let's get rid of some of the bad stuff and 523 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 2: some of the negative stuff, some of the talks of 524 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: things and let's but keep the things that are supposed 525 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: to make you who you are for this season. Had 526 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: you not done this movie, well, how had you not 527 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: played her and connected with her so deep, I would 528 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: not be prepared for whatever it is that's laid out 529 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: for me in this season. So wow, that really helped. 530 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: It definitely changed me some ways good, some ways really 531 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 2: really rough because I felt all of her anxiety and 532 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 2: her pain and her fight. But then I realized, oh, 533 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: I needed to feel that so that I could be 534 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: prepared for everything that's coming up. So in a lot 535 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: of good ways too, you know. 536 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: My goodness, I can really imagine, Yeah, I can really imagine. 537 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: It feels like her life does not feel like I 538 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 2: was saying this earlier. I was like, doesn't feel like 539 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: I was, doesn't feel like memories of a movie set. 540 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: Right when I leave here, I'll remember when we were 541 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: on set and the lights and the moment that we 542 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: had and the genuineness of our But I will remember 543 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: all of the you know, hey, great, this was a 544 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: great interview, with great conversation to great and with playing 545 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: her for such a long time, it's like sometimes I 546 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 2: was getting mixed up the memories of my life and 547 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: hers because it just kind of felt like life memories, 548 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it was she has 549 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: that much weight to her, Like she really has that 550 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: much weight to her. It's crazy. 551 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: There are so many places I want to take this 552 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: kud I love it. 553 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. You're so great. 554 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, because I jet Oh god, 555 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: I can just imagine like the kind of existential crisis 556 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: that that can really submerge you in, and you even saying, 557 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 1: you know, being in that experience of and then you 558 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: exit this portal, this different reality that you're existing in 559 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: and you're at the airport. Wa shodnt. 560 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: People do human things and it's very normal and there's 561 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: nothing wrong with what they're living their life, you know 562 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 2: what I mean. But you're almost I'm not gonna lie. 563 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: I think when I landed, I was as I was 564 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: flying over into the city, I didn't like it and 565 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: like the way it was looking, you know, I was 566 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: flying back to LA I got to the airport and 567 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: I was kind of angry at people, you know what 568 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: I mean, Like, but I didn't realize how much of 569 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: that was sort of a chip on my shoulder from 570 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: living because here's the thing. We filmed the movie for 571 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: September to December. We were there for four months, right, 572 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: which four months doesn't seem like a long time, except 573 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: that I had been preparing for since the end of 574 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. So it was like the last part of 575 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: latter part of twenty seventeen, all of twenty eighteen, all 576 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen, all of twenty twenty because we had 577 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: to do pickup shoots and all that stuff too, and 578 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: then we started the pressing promo one in twenty twenty one. 579 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: So it's like, that's four years of like and in 580 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: the pandemic, and the pandemic hits, and so it's like, 581 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: now you're locked inside and you're which I can't I 582 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: still can't tell if that was the isolation of it 583 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: was better or worse, because I don't know that I 584 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: would have been ready to be very submerged in just 585 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: the hustle and mustle of people and daily life. So 586 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: I don't know, but it was. But it was four 587 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: years of being another person, you know what I mean. 588 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: So I think that's when everything starts to come to 589 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, you know. There was such an urgency 590 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: to her life every day that felt like I was 591 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: really lacking when I got to mine, you know what 592 00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: I mean. 593 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, it's just so deep, it's so heavy, it's 594 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: so much. 595 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: You feel her for sure, Yeah, do. 596 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: You feel like spiritually did you feel like her presence 597 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: with Oh? 598 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. 599 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 600 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: It's funny. We actually had a dream, he had a 601 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 2: dream about her the last few days of filming, you 602 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: know what I mean, And she was getting into a cab. 603 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: She cussed in him about something and then she was 604 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 2: but she was happy with what we were doing, you 605 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 2: know what I mean. But that was one of the 606 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 2: things we used to say. We were sort of like, 607 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: if Billy's happy is she's not like, oh, you did 608 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: great and good for you guys. She's probably cussing you out, 609 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and like whatever. But I 610 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: absolutely felt her presence. And it's funny because my acting 611 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 2: coach would say something, she knows that I was a believer, 612 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: and so she would pray for me and pray over me, 613 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: and then we would talk about checking into the Billy dream, right, 614 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, the life. And it's funny 615 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: because I was like, and it wasn't until this movie 616 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 2: that I was like, you know as a like there's 617 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: like there's different things that you think, you know what 618 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 2: I mean about different things, Okay. And it wasn't until 619 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 2: this movie that I discovered this scripture that was like 620 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: talking about how we that we do tap in with 621 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: what's called like the cloud of witnesses, like people, our ancestors, 622 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 2: people who came before us that have passed on and 623 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: we're allowed to tap and they're allowed to tap us 624 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. I was like, wow, that must 625 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 2: be what that is and was because it was very 626 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: like it's weird again. Like I said, it's not necessarily 627 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: like feeling her. It was just being her, if that 628 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: makes sense, you know what I mean. She stepped in. Yeah, 629 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 2: So it didn't feel like it was like, oh my gosh, 630 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: I feel her super perwered. It was just kind of 631 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: like whoever I was, I felt like that's who to me, 632 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: felt like that's who's that was her, you know what 633 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: I mean? That was the person in the vessel and 634 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: the presence, And I loved it. It was a ride. 635 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: It was a ride because she's actually hell of fun, 636 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like she's really fun. She's 637 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: definitely crazy, but like she's for sure shot out. You know, 638 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: I always think about this, like I think that our 639 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: mentality of people right on this side of the generation 640 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: we go right, we have our pillars are Maya Angelous, 641 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: who just like you know, have elevated you know, almost 642 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: a sainthood, and like you know, but then I think 643 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: about people in Billy's time when I read her, you know, 644 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: bio and I just spent time as her. And then 645 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 2: I read about someone like Maya Angelo writing about Billy Oliday. 646 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: And there's a story Maya tells her son very fondly 647 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: all the time, and she told her son how she 648 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: was performing at a club one time and she was 649 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: singing it. Billy was in the club with glasses on, 650 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: and this is her health had very seriously deteriorated by 651 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: this point time. But nobody cusses out may Angelou because 652 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: who does that, right, you know what I'm saying, But 653 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: like if you came from a different era, in a 654 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: different time. She tells the story about how she was 655 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: in a club singing and she got sunglasses on. She 656 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: has a moved, She's chainsmoking the entire time, and then 657 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Maya's singing and did all stuff 658 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: and Billy jumps up and she's just like, shut that 659 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 2: bitch up. I was like, oh my god, there's just 660 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: certain things you read were and then when you're connected 661 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: to her, right, I was like Bally, not by her, 662 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: but to her at the time, it was just like 663 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 2: she was the biggest and she had all of this 664 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: other stuff going on in her face. But may when 665 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: she explained the stories she said, Billy went off and 666 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,439 Speaker 2: she said, shut that bitchup. She sounds like my mother, 667 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: and everybody's like, what is happening right now? And then 668 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, she gets really insecure because everyone's 669 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 2: looking out, so she runs into the bathroom. Maya runs 670 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 2: in after her. She was like, you know, and she 671 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: said she saw somebody who was really hurt and broken, 672 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 2: and she kind of took her glasses off and she 673 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 2: looked at her and then she said, you see all 674 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: those people out there clapping when you said my name, 675 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 2: and make says yeah, you know what I mean. Basically, 676 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 2: they're just she's like says something along the lines, and 677 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: they're just excited to see a train wreck like a junkie. 678 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's really interesting, Like she 679 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 2: she has such this crazy spirit you know what I mean, 680 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: definitely experienced it and felt it, and I very very 681 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: much love this woman like she my can and myself 682 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: and my you know what I mean. So yeah, wow 683 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 2: for sure. But it's like who cusses on my stock? 684 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, I'm from a whole 685 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 2: different side of this era, you know, National Treasure, treasure, 686 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 2: that's just like but you hear those stories and you go, wow, 687 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 2: this was a different thing we were talking about and 688 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 2: dealing with at the time, you know what I mean. Oh, God, 689 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: bless her, God bless her absolutely, God bless her soul 690 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 2: for sure. 691 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: Last question, when I hear a voice like yours, especially 692 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: like especially on Rise Up, I don't even know how 693 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: this question needs to come out. I guess I'm just 694 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: curious about your response. 695 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 2: But now I'm very very clo. 696 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: You're one. I mean, you just have an exquisite voice. 697 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: It's so thank you, thank you, so beautiful, but it's. 698 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: So invocative and like your voice, the healing I hear 699 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: in your voice is the fact that like you can 700 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: hear emotion process through it as you sing to something, 701 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: which includes like hearing sometimes the ache, right hearing the pain, 702 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: hearing the pull like I feel like I hear the 703 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: stretching of growth in your voice, and I'm just so curious, 704 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: like how it's always been your voice? Yeah, so how 705 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: does that interplay with your artistry? Like did you always 706 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: know you were kind of designed to sing deeper songs? 707 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: Because this isn't a voice for silly songs, right, Like, 708 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: this isn't. 709 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 2: A voice I love for like not right not in 710 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 2: my head. They're so funny. My team is so funny 711 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 2: and truly crazy, a petty out and hot talking about here. 712 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: This isn't a voice for j just like singing simple 713 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: silly things like this is a voice to make people 714 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: feel And I'm just curious how you experience that or 715 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 1: how you how that influenced you, especially as you were 716 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: growing up, coming into the voice, coming into the songwriting. 717 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question. Wow, And thank you 718 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: for saying that so much. Thank you, thank you. You know, 719 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 2: I will say I think that the process, it was 720 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 2: a process, right, you know, Like, and to be honest 721 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 2: with you, that's most of the time I'm saying silly, 722 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 2: stupid stuff most like, I get it all out. I 723 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: feel like in life when I'm talking with like friends 724 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 2: and family, and joking with them. It's always dumb stuff. 725 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,439 Speaker 2: Like I did an interview. Have you heard of the scene? 726 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: You know Judith Hill by the way, you should definitely, 727 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 2: oh God, would you would absolutely love her? She is 728 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: you would love her? Okay, well, she's one of my 729 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 2: closest friends ever. But we crack up laughing because people 730 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 2: always ask us. I think they think that our conversations 731 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 2: are always very, very deep, and they are. They are 732 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: in the sense that, like, she's also a believer too, 733 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 2: so like we literally spend time in fellowship and like 734 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 2: praying and worshiping and in the Word and studying and edifying. 735 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 2: We do do that. But when it comes to music 736 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 2: and all, it's like her and I literally talk about 737 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 2: dumb things all the time. It's like you need the 738 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 2: to be able to turn your brain off sometimes and 739 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 2: other people. So anyway, I was saying that to say 740 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 2: that I spent a lot of time doing dumb things, 741 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 2: but I need an outlet, you know what I mean. 742 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 2: But I think even musically, you know, it's interesting because 743 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: it was a journey. It was a journey to accepting 744 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 2: my voice. First of all, I didn't like it because 745 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 2: I didn't like the tone it's super brassy, and I'm 746 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 2: just like ew Like sometimes I'm like, who's gonna like 747 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 2: like this? Like this right? You know what I mean? 748 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like to me sometimes. But I 749 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 2: will say part of the reason I love Billy is 750 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 2: because it is her artistry that helped me accept my voice. 751 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 2: Like I was introduced to her at the age eleven, 752 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 2: and it was her artistry and her voice that helped 753 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 2: me accept my own. Because there's a clip of her 754 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 2: speaking about her own singing voice and she says, you know, 755 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 2: because people alway say, well, she didn't have much of 756 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 2: a ray, and she didn't have she wasn't unaware of 757 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 2: these things. Like she was just like, yeah, it doesn't 758 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 2: do too much. My voice goes up a little bit, 759 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 2: comes down a little bit, but it's my voice. You 760 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 2: really like it or you don't, you know what I mean. 761 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: And so her stand and that was one of the 762 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: most influential things I'd ever heard or you know, because 763 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, okay, you know, instead of trying 764 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 2: to before it was like these singers who I wanted 765 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 2: to sound like and sing like and all these things. 766 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 2: Then with her, it was like, oh, I want to 767 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 2: do my thing, you know what I mean, the way 768 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 2: she did her things. So she really helped to empower 769 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 2: me in that way, right, And so it was a 770 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 2: process of accepting my voice. And it's really interesting. I 771 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 2: don't think it was ever a moment that I was like, hey, 772 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 2: my voice is meant to do powerful things and to 773 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 2: be powerful and all. I think it just I mean, 774 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 2: I'm just a prayerful person, you know what I'm saying. 775 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 2: And I think when I really like well as what 776 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 2: I say was like probably in like later twenties, when 777 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 2: I kind of like gave my life back to Christ, 778 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 2: gave my life to that, then that prayer and how 779 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 2: I impact people became intentional, you know what I'm saying. 780 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 2: And so it was almost it's sort of inadver certainly 781 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 2: happened that it happened to be on serious things and 782 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: happened to be kind of a place of testimony, a 783 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 2: place of reflection because I just singing from a real 784 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 2: place of like pain or like desire or growth or 785 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 2: you know. So honestly, I can't even say that I 786 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 2: crafted it and was like, oh, yes, I want to 787 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 2: do just serious things happened to grab my attention, like 788 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 2: you know, even when things comes to ability, like hearing 789 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 2: strange fruit and knowing what she sacrificed for that, Like 790 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 2: that mattered to me, you know what I mean, hearing 791 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 2: the weight of like people my mother's own. When I 792 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: think of my mom and her own story of survival, 793 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, WHOA. Like it changed the way I looked 794 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 2: at her, the way all the stuff that used to 795 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 2: annoying me became things that I was like, Wow, I 796 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 2: really admire you, Like that's not you just getting by 797 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 2: this youth thriving. Like So, I don't know, those things 798 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 2: just mattered to me, And so I think what happened 799 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 2: is that inadvertently that made its way into the music, 800 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, So I don't know 801 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 2: that it was really a place. It just as your 802 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 2: person develops, I think, like I said, if you being 803 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 2: authentic and present, then I think your artistry develops, you 804 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I think that's kind of 805 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 2: how that's a good question. She drew. She was like, 806 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 2: we're going in here. I'm not staying up here. You're 807 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 2: gonna do that for your other interviews. We're going here 808 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 2: and we're going into the room. Okay, Oh wow, you're 809 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 2: so amazing to talk to you, by the way, thank you, likewise. 810 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: Likewise deeply well. At the end of every show, I 811 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: invite our guests to share a little bit of like homework, 812 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 1: soul work is what I call it, so that as 813 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: everyone hears the show, they can spend the week till 814 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: the next episode integrating. 815 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,959 Speaker 2: I love that. So that can be like a. 816 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: Practice or even a journal prompt or just a quote 817 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: a thought you'd like to leave everyone with to kind 818 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: of savor for the next week. 819 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, you know what I'll do. Actually, this 820 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 2: has kind of been like the theme of the album, 821 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 2: so it actually works, you know what I mean. It's 822 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 2: not a shameless plug. This actually works. 823 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: But it is in stores now. Castra No. 824 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 2: One of the things on my record, like you know, 825 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 2: is that's why there's themes of like in the artwork. 826 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 2: There's SAMs of desert and there's seams of water. There's 827 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 2: a place it's called Cherif because Cherith is a scriptures 828 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 2: called in scripture, it's called the brook Cherit, which is 829 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 2: it means to cut away or the place of isolation, 830 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 2: and it's where God brought the prophet Elijah to fill 831 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 2: him up, you know. What I mean, drink water from 832 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 2: the brook. I will command the birds to bring you 833 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 2: bread and meat. He went empty, he went completely empty, 834 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 2: but everything he needed he had, you know what I mean, 835 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 2: to prepare him for his mountaintop moment. So I'm examining 836 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 2: in life. I think we walk around often walk living 837 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 2: life from a place of black. You know what I mean. 838 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 2: We're not enough, we don't have, we are less than. 839 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 2: And it's funny because even the most empowered of us, 840 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 2: that thought will creep its way and it will find 841 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, and we really you know, I think 842 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 2: about we were talking about this the other day, the 843 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 2: scripture where God said it is finished, like we really 844 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 2: were created, Like you are a whole, complete, incredible work 845 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 2: and the only one of your kind, incredibly valuable. So 846 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 2: like I think the homework thing would be like. And 847 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 2: that's one of the themes for the album. I'm on 848 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 2: this journey, as you said, and I want people to 849 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 2: go on it with me, but to try choosing your 850 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 2: One of the things I say is believe the things 851 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 2: that God says about you and not the things that 852 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 2: like people or society or your own self doubt says 853 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 2: about you. Because you need to be in a place 854 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 2: of lack to consume, right, So am I say believe 855 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 2: the try living each day conscious of like believing the 856 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 2: things God says about you, which is you are fully, 857 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,479 Speaker 2: fully loved and desired, you know what I mean? Because 858 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 2: that's a big thing. Like we're like, yeah, we know 859 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,479 Speaker 2: we're loved, but I want to be one to we're 860 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 2: desired and we're are loved and that you absolutely have 861 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 2: everything you need. So I'm kind of looking at the 862 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 2: album like, what does it look like to live life 863 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 2: truly from a place of abundance versus a place of 864 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 2: black What does it look like if I walk every 865 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 2: day going like I have everything I need in here 866 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 2: and in community, Like because there's something crazy about the 867 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 2: fact that all of us exist in this time and 868 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 2: have linked up and met, you know what I mean? Like, 869 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 2: so to walk through each day this week and each 870 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 2: moment this week conscious of the fact that, like you 871 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 2: have been given and blessed with every single thing that 872 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 2: you need, the people, the community, da da da? How 873 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 2: does that change the way you approach things? I got 874 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 2: to get money from this person, da dada, as opposed 875 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 2: to Oh, I've I have a cameraman sitting right next 876 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 2: to me. I have a psalm, you know what I mean? 877 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 2: You have everything you need in yourself, in your community, 878 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 2: like spending the week in each moment. Whenever you feel 879 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 2: like I'm not enough, I don't have enough. I need this, 880 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 2: I need to consume. Let that thought process change to 881 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 2: like I have been blessed with every single thing that 882 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 2: I need everything, Like, how does that change the wain 883 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 2: we approach? So I would say, that's. 884 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: The week's homework is that was gorgeous teaching. 885 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so beautiful. That's a really good segment. 886 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 2: I love that. I love it here never I'm not 887 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 2: leave it. 888 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: Andre Day, thank you so much for joining us. Cassandra 889 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: is in stores now, in stores that's so outdated. That's 890 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: such an outdate, right. 891 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 2: No worried. I love our virtual stores and UV stores y'all. 892 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: Open your phone, get to Apple, right but I know 893 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 1: like there's even CD stores like right right for sure, 894 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: but still cute, you know what I mean. 895 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 2: So the record the vinyl will be out at some point, y'all, 896 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 2: just don't there's a few people cut my head off 897 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 2: about it were coming. 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