1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. The Cubs. Uh, 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, so so weekend in Houston. Uh, stymied by 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: a lefty once again, a stud lefty and Framber Veldez. 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: And then uh, and then is that is that who 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: it was? Yeah? 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: Framber I always get Christian Basquez and Framer Vellas mixed 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: up in my brain. Wants to wants to change who 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: they are. 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: Uh. 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: And then and then they took the first against Cleveland 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: after a day off, you know, much needed day. 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: Off with a lot of games in June. July starts 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: off on a on a good note. Uh. 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: That weird was at the second inning. That really weird, 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: like it could have been a huge inning. They got 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: three runs and then that that was the difference, but 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: still the weird way to kind of run your way 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: out of an inning. 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: But get the win. That's all that matters. And Jed 22 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: Hoyer talked before the game. 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: Uh, you know it's been it's you know, as accessible 24 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: as Jet has been. I feel like maybe maybe I 25 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: missed his last session, but I feel like it's been 26 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: a little while for Jet. 27 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: It was a. 28 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Long time in between sitting with the media at Wrigley, 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: it was a trade deadline focus. I'm not sure, maybe 30 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: maybe one or two other questions beyond trade deadline finances. 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: I think that's what we know what they're you know, 32 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: they have a priority list as far as what they're doing. 33 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: I think starting pitching, a depth when it comes to relievers, 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: maybe maybe something big when it comes to relievers, we'll see, 35 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: can't rule it out. 36 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: And then a right. 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: Handed bat like those are the those are the three needs. 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: And I think what we got from Jet is they 39 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: have the money to go make moves. 40 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: What does that mean. 41 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, but you know, I don't think 42 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: money is going to be a limiting factor or a 43 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: huge limiting factor, especially if it's just deals that are 44 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: for this season, because I mean, how hard, like, how 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: much money can you actually add to the payroll when 46 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: it's you know, a third of the season, half the 47 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: season left. 48 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, well, we'll kind of see you one sort 49 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: of disclaimer just Jed gave across all this. You know, 50 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: a lot will happened between now and then. You know, 51 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: there's roughly whatever twenty five games you know during that 52 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 3: span before teams really have to make final decisions and 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: put their pencils down. As Jed would say, that's one 54 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: of his favorite things, you know, when the test ends. 55 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: But yeah, several obvious areas for the Cubs to. 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: Upgrade. 57 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 3: And I thought it was interesting that you had asked 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: the hot of of like, okay, well can you take 59 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: on money. 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: Into the future. 61 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: And obviously kind of the sub text to that is 62 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 3: Jed entering this year the final season of his contract, 63 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: a CBA that runs out after twenty twenty six, a 64 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: nucleus that is largely tied up through twenty twenty six. 65 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: That there is what he called in response to your question, 66 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: the double edged sword of having really clean books is 67 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: that they have a lot of flexibility moving forward. But 68 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 3: I think to mix another metaphor that he had used 69 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: at the beginning of his presidential tenure here in Chicago 70 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: was you don't want to fall off a cliff, you 71 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: know that you kind of run towards the edge. And 72 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: obviously twenty twenty one the Cubs, you know, decided to 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: back away and kind of reset, and that is definitely 74 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: a fear within the organization right of looking at I 75 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: don't think it's the number one priority here, but it's 76 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: also something I think that they can never ignore of 77 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: just the idea that what ownership wants is that sustainable, 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: consistent contender, not necessarily a team that's like all in 79 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: for any one season. 80 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this will this can be a topic 81 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: that we dive into another date, but it's certainly I mean, 82 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of free agents after twenty six, say 83 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: Ian Hap, Matthew Boyd, who will talk about later, jameson 84 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: Tie owned pretty much it's just Dansby and then you 85 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: have guys you know that are young, that are pre 86 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: orb or getting close to urb like Michael Bush and 87 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: Pek Arms are certainly people that you want the Cubs 88 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: to keep around. We'll see how Miguel Amaya plays when 89 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: he comes back. That it sounds like it'll be post 90 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: All Star break the you know that that type of 91 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: those type of players will be around past twenty twenty six, 92 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: and that's great when you have that type of youth. 93 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 2: But it is it. He did not want this cliff 94 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: that you lamented it. 95 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: He talked about it was it before? Whenever it was, 96 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: it was either before or after twenty one. How I 97 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: talked about teams that hit that cliff, like Philadelphia and 98 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: that Philadelphia of the early two thousand Tens Tigers yea, 99 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: Allians Tigers. Yeah, these teams that are finally now getting 100 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: back to being great again after after you know, having 101 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: consistent winners for years and pushing. 102 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: It all the way to the end. 103 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: Out of the Cubs handle that that that may be 104 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: a topic that we're talking about in the offseason. Maybe 105 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: they make some interesting decisions to kind of extend a window. 106 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: Uh, we'll see what that is. 107 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 1: I think it is important that you you asked about 108 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: the war chest. 109 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 3: Right there is no war chest. 110 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jed said there was no war chest, you know. 111 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: I think that was it was that Jed Hoyer frustrated 112 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: in the moment about Ultimately it was him saying, what 113 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: are we saving money for. Let's go out and get 114 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: this guy that can be a finishing piece for our 115 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: great to take us from very good to great. Yeah, 116 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: during the Alex Bergman sweepstakes, and obviously that didn't happen. 117 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: I think ultimately we knew if they are good enough, 118 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: there will be financial flexibility, and that's essentially what I 119 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: got from Jed's answered question about that. 120 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the team is playing well, he said, 121 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 3: this place, meaning Wrigley is packed almost every night. You know, 122 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: it's close to a full house. And you know, I 123 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: would give the Cubs the benefit of the doubt here 124 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: in terms of, you know, Tom Ricketts gives his top 125 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 3: bug executives a lot of latitude. The Cubs have historically 126 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: been very active one way or the other at almost 127 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: every trade deadline going all the way back to theo's 128 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: first year in Chicago, and that if Jed can not 129 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: just add rentals, but also add guys who come with 130 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: multiple years or an additional season of club control, that 131 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: could be valuable and you know, being able to take 132 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: on that money or kind of invest farther into the 133 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: future beyond his own contract term. It's something that Jed 134 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: said he's not concerned about at all, doesn't really think 135 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: about it. I'd imagine that on a case by case basis, 136 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: he would kind of present these ideas to ownership and 137 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: they're largely you know, supportive. Let him do what he 138 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: wants within these financial parameters. Obviously, but if I think 139 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: if there's a there are baseball trades out there that 140 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: makes sense for the Cubs. They can go for it, 141 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: and I do think, you know what, I'd ask them 142 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: out this idea of like if not now when that's 143 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: what THEO famously said when they traded for old As 144 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: Chapman and get an interesting answer in terms of, like, 145 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: you know, that was a World Series odd it's not 146 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: a playoff chances type of deal, and that there's a 147 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: difference between just getting in and building the best possible 148 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: team to win multiple rounds in October. 149 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 150 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: I still look at this situation. He didn't want to 151 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 3: go there yet. You know, they could lose six games 152 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: in a row and a couple of teams in Central 153 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 3: could get hot, and all of a sudden. 154 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: They're kind of scrambling just to get in. 155 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: But to me, you've got Kyle Tucker and we'll get 156 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: into that shortly. You know, months away from a few 157 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: months away from free agency. You have a front office 158 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 3: that was on the hot seat entering this year. You 159 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: have a team that's playing really well. You have pie 160 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 3: Crow Armstrong what might be the best season of his life. 161 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: We don't know. I think he's gonna be a good 162 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: player for a long time, but he's obviously come on 163 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 3: in just an unbelievable way. You have all these bullpen 164 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: guys that we've talked about from Daniel Pelonci and Drew Palm, Rantz, 165 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: Brad Keller. List kind of goes on and on of 166 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: just these pleasant surprises. 167 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 2: That keep happening. 168 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: You have one of the you know, most respected, highest 169 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: paid managers in the game running your team. You got 170 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: good vibes in the clubhouses like why not go out? 171 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: Who cares if you know some prospect in a ball 172 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: becomes an All Star seven years from now. I just 173 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: think this moment demands, you know, aggressive moves to try 174 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: and go in a World Series like period. 175 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with you. 176 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: I think there may be some push and pull in 177 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: the run off is trying to balance that. Uh well, 178 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: but this is a very good team with some obvious 179 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: areas to upgrade. Uh you know, two weeks ago, whatever 180 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: it was, I was saying, there's no obvious way to 181 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: upgrade third. Maybe there is now with the with the 182 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: Diamondbacks struggling, the Diamondbacks are going to wait till the 183 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: last minute and unless they really collapse here and fall, 184 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, eight nine, ten games out of the wildcard. Uh, 185 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: but they're struggling, they're they're falling back. And if if 186 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: they're if they're you know, pushing to double digit games 187 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: back of the wildcard, I could see them selling. And 188 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: Suarez is an impending free agent and he kind of 189 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: fits exactly. 190 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: What they need. 191 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: Uh as far as right handed bat can play third base. 192 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: Other than that, I think that the you know, the 193 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: focus has to be pitching, pitching, pitching, and you. 194 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: Upgrade that area. 195 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: Now you're talking about a really good team that goes 196 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: to great and and now has been and then you're 197 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: talking about upgrading World Series odds. Patrick, I want to 198 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: discuss the Kyle Talker discussion that we had with Jed 199 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: and just kind of get into gigantic contract talk and 200 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: the possibilities of that. 201 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: Once again, quick break here, all. 202 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 4: Right, Harry's is going to get an award here MVP 203 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 4: in the shaving world and AJ if you want to 204 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 4: equate it to things that we talk about, it's not 205 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 4: expensive and it's super versatile right the company itself, because 206 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 4: there's other products that you can get on the site 207 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 4: do odorate, body wash, et cetera. 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But Harry's will fix that. 218 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 5: It'll line me up straight and no bumps, no cuts. 219 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 5: It's exactly what I need for a great price. 220 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: That's right. 221 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 4: Get the edge on your shave with Harry's. Normally their 222 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 4: trial set is ten dollars, but right now you can 223 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 4: get it for just six dollars at Harry's dot com 224 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 4: slash fowl. That's our exclusive link, Harry's dot com slash 225 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 4: foul for a six dollars trial set. 226 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: Patrick get you know, we talked to Jed Hoyer. 227 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: I think the first time we talked to him this season, 228 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: maybe even the spring. He said, how many times am 229 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: I gonna have to no comment on this on this 230 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: contract extension talk, but he kind of touched on it, 231 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't say that 232 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: he that the first to go around. I think we 233 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: pushed and we got more answers than expected. 234 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 2: Uh with with this, Yeah, I. 235 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: Think my takeaway was when Jed says at some point 236 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: we'll get into that with Casey Close, Bocker's agent at 237 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: Excel Sports Management, that sort of implies that they haven't 238 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: gained a ton of traction or really pushed in that area, 239 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: and I don't think anyone thought they would, Like that's 240 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: not how the Cubs operate in terms of making some 241 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 3: sort of enormous blind bid for a player who is 242 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: so close to free agency that it makes sense for 243 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: him to let this play out, and him having a 244 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 3: great first half only reinforces that belief that I personally 245 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 3: think it makes a lot of sense for both sides 246 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: to see. 247 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: What the market will bear. 248 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: And I guess there's always that one percent chance that 249 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: something could come together later this summer, but like, there's 250 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 3: no real precedent for this, there's no real like urgency 251 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: to do that, And to me, this was it was 252 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: a deal to win big in twenty twenty five. Then 253 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: you just figure out the rest later, and you don't. 254 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: You can't look back and be like, oh, camp Smith, 255 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: that was the guy that the Astros wanted. Camp Smith 256 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: would not be playing for the Cubs. He certain wouldn't 257 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: have started on their opening day roster. I kind of 258 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: doubt he'd even be up by this point on this 259 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: Cubs team. But yeah, I mean it's great content. It's 260 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: certainly like fun to talk about. But I just don't 261 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: think there's a whole lot of there there right now. 262 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, extension in season just you know, that 263 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: just seems so far fetched to me, when you're this 264 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: close to free agency, when you're the obvious top of 265 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: the market guy, when you're having I think he's having 266 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: a career year. You know, he's at four war according 267 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: to Fangrafts. His career best is five. This is I mean, 268 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: we're halfway through the season and he's at four war. 269 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: You don't sign an extension at that point. 270 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: Why why would he? 271 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense to me why he would. 272 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: He's doing the right thing for him, unless he just 273 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: falls in love with Chicago and they offer him an 274 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: astronomical price. I think that also, you know, he jed 275 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: did say something like something about like that it's going 276 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: to costle. He acknowledged that the costs would be crazy, 277 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: and he's like, have limits. I think I think we 278 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: need to listen to that. We need to hear that 279 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: you have to have limits. I do wonder where this 280 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: is going to go. We're going to see some teams 281 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: in it that you know. I mean, Boston's going to 282 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: be in it, The Yankees are probably going to be 283 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: in it. The Dodgers are always is just kind of 284 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: in it. Even you think they're done, but why not 285 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: just keep spending more? I think the Giants may be 286 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: in it. These are all the teams that you kind 287 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: of look at and say, outside of the Mets. The 288 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: Mets are probably the one team that probably aren't going 289 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: to be in it, but maybe they are. I mean, 290 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: do we even rule them out? So this guy like 291 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: he's having a monster season. I think what I'm curious about, 292 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: and what I have this internal debate about, is okay 293 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: Wan Soto deal fifteen years, seven hundred and sixty five million. 294 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: I don't think we'll see something like that again, you know, 295 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: unless there's a Shoho Tani type player that shows up. 296 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: I just don't think we'll see something like that again 297 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: anytime soon. The Lad Junior deal is interesting at fourteen 298 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: five hundred million, and I seem to see people thinking 299 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: he needs to top that. What started this season twenty 300 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: five years old. Kyle Tucker is gonna start next season 301 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. That's really different. I know, like 302 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: they're similar offensive, like purely at the plate, what they 303 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: do are similar. Tucker's better on the basis, Tucker's a 304 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: better defender, So I guess you could make the argument, 305 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: but I'm not seeing this Jan Soto type deal. The 306 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Vlad Junior deal does kind of skew the market. I 307 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: just don't I don't know what it looks like. I'm 308 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: very curious with all those teams bidding, I just I 309 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: don't know these astronomical six hundred and seven hundred million 310 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: dollar deals. I don't know if it gets there. Maybe 311 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm completely misreading the market, and that's very possible, especially 312 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: with so many teams bidding. 313 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 3: I feel like there's very little downside for Kyle Tucker 314 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 3: to see if that's out. 315 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: There, oh right, like yeah, yeah. I mean. 316 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: As a position player, the injury risks are pretty minimal. 317 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: As someone who's made good money as a top of 318 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: the draft pick through the arbitration system. I think you 319 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: just sort of have to let this play out there. 320 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: As much as he seems to enjoy Chicago, there's no 321 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 3: history here. I mean, he's been a Cub for a 322 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 3: couple of months, and I think whatever the Cubs are 323 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: comfortable offering will still be there in a couple months anyways, 324 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: And maybe with that interest you could kind of leverage 325 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: that a little more. I think the thing that we're 326 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 3: gonna be curious about at the trade deadline, and I 327 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: think Tucker is kind of adjacent to all this because 328 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: you want to maximize this year. 329 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: It's like. 330 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: Sure, I mean the Cubs can obviously, as a business, 331 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: can afford whatever the Vlad deal, whatever you whatever it 332 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: winds up being as a business, But as a baseball 333 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: operations department, what percentage is that Tucker deal going to 334 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 3: take up? Like how far out in the future do 335 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: they have to go or are they willing to go? 336 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: Like where does the AAV factor in in terms of CBT, 337 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 3: What is the CBT gonna be? What is the landscape 338 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 3: going to look like with the new CBA, And so 339 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: that I think is something we're talking about here too, 340 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: of like how how much do you sacrifice in terms 341 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 3: of future assets from the farm system, like if Tucker's 342 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: going to be taking up that big number, or like 343 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: if the payroll is gonna kind of be what it's 344 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 3: been here recently, of like more like top fifteen than 345 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: top five. There's there's a lot going on here behind 346 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: the scenes that you know, we won't fully know. 347 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: But even the. 348 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: Cubs are dealing with a lot of unknowns too, and 349 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 3: they're going to have to make their best guesses here 350 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 3: in July. 351 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the way fans do not want to 352 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: hear this and it just does not matter to fans, 353 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: and I understand that and I appreciate it. Front offices 354 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: have to kind of look at it. Okay, say you 355 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: give them an eight year deal. In theory, the first 356 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: four years are where you make the money, where the 357 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: Cubs are winning the deal. The last four years you 358 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: have to outspend that deal. Are the clubs capable of 359 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: doing that if they're let's just say it's let's say 360 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: it's a ten year deal and it's four hundred million, Okay, 361 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: cheap side, I think that's he's probably going to beat that. 362 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: So five years let's say. 363 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: For forty million, you like that, and then the next 364 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: five years at forty million, can you are the Cubs 365 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: outspending that? I don't know if that's a bad contract 366 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: for them at that point, If that, if the five 367 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: years two hundred million remaining is a bad deal, can 368 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: the Cubs? Will the Cubs outspend that? Maybe they will. 369 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what the CBA is going to look like, 370 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: and I don't know what their spending is going to 371 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: look like, and I think the front office doesn't really 372 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 1: know what their spending is going to look like. Uh 373 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: So that that makes that's what makes these types of 374 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: decisions difficult. You're not the Mets, You're not the Dodgers. 375 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: You're not even the Giants or the Red Sox or 376 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: the Yankees. I mean the Red Sox. I don't know 377 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: what they are, but they at least they signed someone 378 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: like Devers before trading them. They gave they handed out 379 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: that huge contract. I don't know. The Cubs have never 380 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: done anything above two hundred million. They've never hit two 381 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: hundred million, So we don't know what they're what they're 382 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: willing to do, and what they're capable of doing, and 383 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: how it looks in the long term, and I think 384 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: just in general, you can't live in a world where 385 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: you fear that suddenly this deal that you sign is 386 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: going to handcuff you when it's on the back end 387 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: of it. Just don't You don't want to live in 388 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: that world as a big market team that's not acting 389 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: like a big money market team. So well, it's going 390 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: to be interesting. I you know this, this will be 391 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: a topic four months. It already has been. I don't 392 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: know how it ends it, but I think Tucker is 393 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: making it more interesting just by doing little things like 394 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: taking pictures of himself in loving Chicago, out with the 395 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: guys and on the lake. I mean that's going to 396 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: rile up certain parts of the fan base. You know, 397 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: he's he's got charities that he's starting here, like things 398 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: like that, Like people are like, oh, is he saiding? 399 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: Is he putting in roots? And it's like, you know, 400 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far, but I get it. 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It 435 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: was twelfth in er and I'm talking about big leagues. 436 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: Twelfth in the Big Leagues in era twentieth. 437 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: And innings pitched. 438 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: He's up there in war by Fangrabs just been just 439 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: really impressive and kind of the type of pitcher that 440 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: they desperately needed with Justin Steele out for the year 441 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: and showed him monogamissing nearly two months and really, if 442 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: he weren't having this type of season, we'd be freaking out. 443 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: As far as they're desperate need for starting pitching. They 444 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: need starting pitching. They need to go get a starting picture. 445 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: But with him, it showed him anaga back. They have 446 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: two really good pictures that you can throw out to 447 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: start a series in the postseason and not feel like 448 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: you have no chance that you you know, you have 449 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: a decent chance to have the best picture on the 450 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: mound with those guys going. 451 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 3: I mean, he's on pace for close to two hundred 452 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 3: innings which is wild considering around this time last year. 453 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 3: You know, he he may have signed with Cleveland at 454 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 3: that point, but was come back from Tommy John surgery 455 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: and you know, had been doing the showcases, trying to 456 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: gain some traction on a major league deal, and just 457 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: a delightful human being. Like you know, it's his start 458 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 3: day yesterday and he's We're standing next to each other 459 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: side and I and he says like, hey, guys, how's 460 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 3: it going, And like that's you know, for uh, people 461 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 3: who aren't kind of you know, behind the scenes like that, 462 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 3: like starting picture David Media does not talk to the 463 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: picture on the day he starts. Such just kind of 464 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: an unspoken understood thing throughout baseball. But there are a 465 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 3: couple of exceptions, you know, guys who just are on 466 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: their own sort of frequency. And Matthew Boyd, he'd already 467 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: said hi to me earlier in the day too. He's like, 468 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: what's up, Patrick, And I'm like, hey, Like it's put 469 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 3: you in this spot. You're like, I respond to you 470 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 3: because you said high first. But just a really nice 471 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: human being, but very competitive on the mound, you know 472 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 3: him or showeda kind of your game one playoff starter 473 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 3: unless you know, Jed has a surprise before the July 474 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 3: thirty first deadline, but the real consistent HA said, maybe 475 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 3: one sort of so so outing, but has really delivered 476 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 3: length and quality over and over and over, and yeah, 477 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 3: I haven't. You know, the All Star pitching selection process 478 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 3: always seems a little wonky, like you know, injuries or 479 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: guys don't want to pitch, and like guys keep getting added. 480 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: I'd have to think he's very firmly in that conversation 481 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: and would probably have a pretty good chance as basically 482 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: the best pitcher on one of the National League's best teams. 483 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the more I when we first had this 484 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: discussion among the media people, I was like, no, is 485 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: he that good? Like, I mean, he's been awesome for 486 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: the Cubs, but like league wide and I and I 487 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: just double checked, and I was like, I know, is 488 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: he ra is good? Maybe he doesn't have the innings 489 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, he's got everything. He's he's 490 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: up there with everything. So he certainly ad minimum deserves. 491 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: Like if he's not on that first list that they give, 492 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: you know, the with the injuries, he'll he'll he he 493 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: has to make it. I'd be surprised if he's not there, 494 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: it'd be quite an honor for him. Like he deserving guy, 495 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: like you said, puts you in that uncomfortable position as 496 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: media saying hi to Like I almost forgot that to 497 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: his start day, it's like, oh, hey, how's it going? 498 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, I gotta wait, he's starting. 499 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 2: I don't want to chat him up. But he's so friendly. 500 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: Almost he's disarming that it's just like, oh, I could 501 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: talk to this guy. 502 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: His game face is just like smiling and saying, you know, 503 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 3: good morning to everyone, or good afternoon, how's it going? 504 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 3: Stuff like that, and obviously starting pictures talk to teammates 505 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: and stuff. But even some guys just like have the 506 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: headphones in and just don't want to be bothered on 507 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 3: their start day. And he is very much the opposite 508 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 3: of that. 509 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like Tyne, very friendly guy, but start day 510 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: he's got the headphones on and he's focused and preparing. 511 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 2: Uh yeah. 512 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: I think when you say, I think what Cubs fans 513 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: can get or like kind of get anticipate, like really 514 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: anticipate over this next month if Jed can pull off 515 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: a trade to get someone as good or better than 516 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: showed in Matthew Boyd. 517 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: That should excite man. 518 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: That's the type of thing that just completely changes the 519 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: complexion of the team because when you have a guy 520 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: step up like Matthew Boyd has and go from Okay, 521 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: this is this signing any good? Is this going to 522 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: like be valuable for them? Can this guy stay healthy? 523 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: And we still you know, still have a season left, 524 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: don't want to assume. 525 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: Anything, but it looks good. 526 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: There's there's nothing that's even like, there's nothing that's even 527 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: like worried you about him yet health wise. Just then 528 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: when when you have a guy step up like Boyd 529 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: and you have Showda coming back, and the way he 530 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: looked in that first start, it's almost like, Okay, he's 531 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: just getting started. That's how it felt to me watching it. 532 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think he's at his best yet. 533 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: Now he's it was a non arm injury. Those two 534 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: things kind of line up really well. And you add 535 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: one more guy, even if it's right close to that level, 536 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: that would just be such a such a big addition 537 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: for this team. 538 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: The type of thing that pushes you. 539 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: You were we were talking about World Series odds before, 540 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 1: Like that's type of thing that changes the way you 541 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: look at the team and say, okay, now that they 542 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: have everything. 543 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 6: Going for them, and you know that they Matthew Boy's 544 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 6: just been such a such a huge piece and such 545 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 6: a revelation this season that it allows you to dream 546 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 6: big for October when you have these types. 547 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: And there's. 548 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: When council who who doesn't love reminiscing and going big 549 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: picture and stuff like that. When he did talk about 550 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: the first half, that's kind of what he's like. When 551 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: you have seasons like this, you need surprises and it's 552 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: remarkable how many you can list off PCA. 553 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: You know, we knew what he could be, but. 554 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: This level is something special. Matthew Boyd has been just brilliant. 555 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: Michael Bush has taken his offense to another level. There's 556 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: the bullpen arms that have gone over, but Brad Keller, 557 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: Drew palm Rance, Daniel Palencia is continuing to really impress me. 558 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: What he did in Saint Louis to end that the 559 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: final game, and then last night he was he was 560 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: dominant Patrick like dotting up one oh two and like 561 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: just like they. 562 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: Had no chance against him. 563 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: That's the type of stuff that that's exciting, and I 564 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: don't know what what they'll do to upgrade the bullpen. 565 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: But if he's not your closer, then you got like 566 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: a really dominant setup man too. But I think he's 567 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: just fine closing right now. You love to have experience 568 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: in the bullpen, but that wo, like, that's that's the 569 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: type of stuff that's kind of scary how good, how 570 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: good he looks, and it's and it's also why you 571 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: bet on stuff. So there's been a lot of good 572 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: surprises for this team. Uh and and you need that, 573 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: like to have a season like this and to to 574 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: kind of you need it to continue. 575 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. I mean, I think he's strengthened the 576 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: strength at the trade deadline. And if you know, Craig 577 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 3: Council has his reputation for being kind of a bullpen 578 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 3: whisper and expert tactician, just give him more. I mean, 579 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: imagine if Matthew Boyd is starting like game three of 580 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: the playoffs, not game one, assuming show to is at 581 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: full strength and that you add someone else, and yeah, 582 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 3: I think we'll get into this more, you know, in 583 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: future shows. But certainly adding a right handed hitter, just 584 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 3: giving yourself more options, just kind of bumping everyone down 585 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 3: on the depth chart makes a ton of sense, and 586 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: as long as the Cubs sort of finished this first 587 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 3: half strong, I mean the pre All Star break first 588 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 3: half on a good note. You'd have the Draft, which 589 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 3: is a time when front offices sort of go quiet 590 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 3: in terms of trade talks because they're so absorbed in 591 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 3: the draft process. You'd be looking at coming out of 592 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 3: that in mid to late July in a real position 593 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: of strength where the Cubs have to just kind of 594 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 3: go out and get it, like all the momentum is 595 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 3: heading in that direction. 596 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be This is gonna be a fun month, 597 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: I think for Cubs fans. 598 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 2: They weathered a tough June. 599 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: We'll see, you know how they continue to do against Cleveland. Big, 600 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: big weekend, fun series. Saint Louis coming to town, first 601 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: time there at regularly this season, and we got a 602 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: show to start this week too at regular first time 603 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: since he got hurt. So big, big rest of the week, 604 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: fun rest of the week, holiday weekend. It should be 605 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: fun at Wrigley. I think it'll be a blast to 606 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: cover this weekend. 607 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening to everyone. 608 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: We'll be back with a few more shows this week 609 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: and more next Thanks for listening to everyone. 610 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: This is Northside Territory. 611 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: Make sure to rate, review, subscribe, subscribe to the YouTube channel, 612 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: and subscribe to The Athletic, where Patrick and I are 613 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: on top of all things cubs. 614 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: Thanks everyone, take care,