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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations.

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Speaker 2: It's the show that she is the secrets of success

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald. I host the weekly Money Making

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Speaker 3: Conversation Masterclass Show. The interviews and information that this show

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Speaker 3: provides are for everyone. This week, I'll be speaking with

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Speaker 3: Michelle Renee. After a life altering home invasion that leaves

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Speaker 3: their life shatter. Its single mother, Michelle embarks on a

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Speaker 3: terrifying forty two hundred mile road trip into the Alaskan

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Speaker 3: these interviews on Money Making Conversation Master Class Show.

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Speaker 1: Keep Winning, Keep Winning.

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Speaker 3: It's time to stop reading other people's success stories to

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Speaker 3: start living your own. People always talk about their purpose

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Speaker 3: of gift. If you have a gift, leave with your

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Speaker 3: gift and they'll let your friends, family, or co workenstaff

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Speaker 3: you from planning or living your dream. My Gusto on

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Speaker 3: the show Her Day is Michelle Renee. She's a published author, producer,

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Speaker 3: and writer on the film based on her first book,

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Speaker 3: a true crime title Hell Hostage. In A second book,

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Speaker 3: a memoir title Nine Days Living with My Sole Wide

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Speaker 3: Open after Violent Trauma.

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Speaker 1: Is just recently released. It's about multiple stages and her journey.

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Speaker 1: She's been featured on.

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Speaker 3: Forty eight hours on CBS in Paramount plus Huffington Post

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Speaker 3: earned her Trauma Informs a certification for coaches for the

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Speaker 3: Center for Healing in twenty twenty three. She's been recognized

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Speaker 3: for a non violence advocacy and trauma survivor outreach efforts

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Speaker 3: by the State of California, the City of San Diego,

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Speaker 3: the City of Chicago, and the White House, to name

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Speaker 3: a few. Michelle is available for speaking engagements, as you

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Speaker 3: well know because of her abilities, but her book Nine

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Speaker 3: Days Living with Your Soul Wide Open, app and Violent

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Speaker 3: Trauma is what we're talking about today. Please welco with

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Speaker 3: the money making come station, mastic class Michelle Renee.

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Speaker 4: How are you doing, Michelle, I'm doing fantastic. Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for having me on the show.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, you know, Michelle, Can I use the

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Speaker 3: word perky perky, you see, like a perky personality, and

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Speaker 3: then you put the word violent trauma right next to

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Speaker 3: it in a book?

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Speaker 1: How do you marry that? How so?

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Speaker 3: Because it has to be you know, to maintain this

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Speaker 3: personality I see, which is upbeat, which is very welcoming.

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Speaker 3: Thank you tell me a little backstory to allow me

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Speaker 3: to understand this personality and the role you play in

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Speaker 4: You know, I grew up in a I grew up

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Speaker 4: that was that was really suppressive. You know, and I

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Speaker 4: For me, it was really about how do I not

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Speaker 3: Mindset that's what we're all about. And when you say

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Speaker 4: Well, I ended up, you know, I was already talking

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Speaker 4: Decided I want to live my soul wide open, and

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Speaker 4: So I really wanted to go and learn as much

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Speaker 4: what the long term effects of those were and what adaptation,

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Speaker 3: Cool I'm speaking with Michelle Renee. She's the author of

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Speaker 3: appter Violent Trauma. Let's kind of like explain what violent

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Speaker 3: trauma is because if we know about domestic violence WOL,

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. Domestic violence falls under the umbrella of

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Speaker 4: what trauma is and what violent trauma is a traumatic event.

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Speaker 4: And when we're in a trauma response, it isn't the

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Speaker 4: generational trauma? There's so much to it that causes us

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Speaker 4: it turns into this adaptation to this violent event, which

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Speaker 4: it's different for everybody, Like what worked for me might

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Speaker 3: Well, that's why I liked the fact that you said, Rashan,

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Speaker 3: I got certified because I didn't want to keep telling

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Speaker 3: my story, because my story might not be relatable because

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Speaker 3: your situation wasn't domestic violence. Your situation wasn't child the

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Speaker 3: physical child's abuse. Your situation was a kidnapping, home invasion

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Speaker 3: situation that traumatized you and your daughter and has led

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Speaker 3: and basically, ladies and gentlemen, after a life all a

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Speaker 3: The first time was in that violent situation. This time

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Speaker 3: is it's in the control situation where she absolutely has

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Speaker 3: the power. Let's talk about this book. Did Was it

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Speaker 4: Well, it was really healing, And to go back on

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Speaker 4: something that you just said, it was interesting. Even though

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Speaker 4: the home invasion, which is the catalyst of the book,

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Speaker 4: when they broke the door down, they absolutely broke open

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Speaker 4: Pandora's box to my childhood, which was absolutely riddled with

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Speaker 4: domestic violence and child abuse. I grew up in a

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Speaker 1: Apologized and mistaken.

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Speaker 4: I love that you brought that up because this is

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Speaker 4: did when I ran away from that. I just had

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Speaker 4: I'm never gonna deal with it. I'm gonna stuff it,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna be successful and put on this

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Speaker 4: No one's gonna know that the Michelle that grew up

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Money Making Conversation Master Class. As you know,

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Speaker 3: I've been speaking to Michelle Renee in regards to a book.

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Speaker 3: Word blessing because I don't want to put words in

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Speaker 4: Michelle, Yeah, this is you know, for me to even

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Speaker 4: And really that was our letter. That was the you know,

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Speaker 3: And that on this Alaska, Germany what your dog is

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Speaker 3: That is the whole summation about this. There's a it's

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Now in part two, it talks about soul wide open,

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Speaker 3: s o U L wide open?

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Speaker 1: What is that? What is that symbolizing?

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Speaker 4: Oh, that is my essence now post event, post kidnapping,

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Speaker 4: that's the essence of who I am. I truly believe

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Speaker 4: in living with your soul wide open and being open

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Speaker 4: yes to as much as you possibly can in your lifetime.

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Speaker 4: Because this is it. You know, are you going to

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Speaker 4: sit around and wallow in the fact that something happened that, yes,

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Speaker 4: it was traumatic and it was hard, and it was

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Speaker 4: you have the opportunity to curate an incredible life and

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Speaker 4: them before. And so for me, soul wide open is

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Speaker 4: about living in complete, utter gratitude with massive amounts of

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Speaker 4: curiosity and spontaneity and love and that enjoy and that,

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Speaker 4: to me is what living with your soul wide open

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Speaker 4: is all about. And this road trip really really is

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Speaker 4: what helped for forty two hundred miles.

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Speaker 3: So something road in like ninety miles or you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, to the next state. Now, this forty two

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Speaker 3: through Texas. Now Texas can get hot, but through Alaska. See,

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Speaker 3: the best thing. The closest I've gotten to Alaska is

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Speaker 3: very compelling it's very eye opening.

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Speaker 1: And I just I just, I mean awe as well.

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Speaker 3: As we wrap up talking to Michelle Renee nine Days

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Speaker 3: Living with My Soul Wide Open after violent Trauma?

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Speaker 1: What can this? Is the book available now? And where

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Speaker 1: can they get it? It is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they can go to my website if they want to,

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Speaker 4: Michelle dash Renee dot com. It's on.

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Speaker 1: You said it really quick. Now can you slow it.

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Speaker 4: Down, Michelle dash Renee dot com and go to Amazon.

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Speaker 4: You can get it in the kindle version, you can

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Speaker 4: get it in paperback version right now. The hardcover will

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Speaker 4: be coming out in on July the first, so that's

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Speaker 4: coming up quick. And then we will also have it

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Speaker 4: in a hardcover with the dust jacket and all that

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Speaker 4: up in the next two weeks as well. But right

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Speaker 4: now today, go to Amazon and it's there.

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Speaker 3: And if anybody's listened to this called the or family

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Speaker 3: That's eight hundred seven nine nine seven two three three.

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Speaker 3: Because in this conversation to doing this interview, you may

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Speaker 3: have hit some I may have hit some triggers and

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Speaker 3: to talk to someone. You need to talk to someone

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Speaker 3: and realize that you're not alone. That's one of the

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Speaker 3: of courage, a courage that she's willing to step out

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Speaker 3: and be honest about what happened to her, reveal it

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Speaker 3: to the general public, not only in story but also

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Speaker 3: in public speaking opportunities. But more importantly, I want to

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Speaker 3: thank you for coming up money making Conversations Masterclass Mischaerer

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Speaker 3: Day an interview that I've I've never done this type

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Speaker 3: of interview on my show. It's an interview that my

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Speaker 3: show is dominated by female listeners, and I think it's

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Speaker 3: important that they understand that there's so many different layers.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you have to unburden yourself to be successful. You

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Speaker 3: have to realize the truth that may be blocking you

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Speaker 3: from your success, and some of it may be denial,

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Speaker 3: when some of them may be understanding.

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Speaker 1: May you just need.

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Speaker 3: To step out and if this is holding you back,

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Speaker 3: tell someone so you can start seeing your blessings come

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Speaker 3: in multitudes and not limited opportunities. Thank you Michelle for

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Speaker 3: coming on Money Making Conversation master Class.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, I appreciate it.

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