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Speaker 1: It is Monday, November eleventh, twenty nineteen, and it's time

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Speaker 1: donks for Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm

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Speaker 1: the host of this program alongside my esteemed co host

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Speaker 1: from CBS Sports, Brian Campbell. You just saw, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the trailer for the new Showtime documentary Pariah. I've not

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Speaker 1: seen it. I know it airs Friday at nine pm

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Speaker 1: East Coast Time. Brian, you did see it? About that,

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Speaker 1: so you.

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Speaker 2: Gotta check this out. Fired up.

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Speaker 3: This was a quality presentation there, not just the history

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Speaker 3: of Listening as a fighter, that the controversial two fights

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Speaker 3: of fell off the hill after that, but a lot

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Speaker 3: So you know, everybody's got their cup, but nobody's pitching in.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this out there. I didn't ask you

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Speaker 1: about this, I'm gona put it out there on the air.

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Speaker 1: If we are now what in the second or so

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Speaker 1: week of no November. We have just the rest of

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Speaker 1: this month and then the next one. I would like

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Speaker 1: to see if we can hit thirty k subs by

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Speaker 1: the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: The second trimester of m K, let's start to get

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Speaker 2: some kicking going.

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Speaker 1: Let's get I want to feel that in the Tommy folks,

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Speaker 1: and not just well I'm not gonna say that joke.

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Speaker 1: It would go quite poorly in any event. Did you

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Speaker 1: miss me last week?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I think really we got to be careful here.

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Speaker 3: You know, the grab Chuck Mindenhall has been able to

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Speaker 3: slide right into the DMS of this bunker.

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Speaker 1: But man, the people love them. You're really one pulled.

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Speaker 3: Ankle std you know, extended absence away from not coming

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Speaker 3: back because the people they love them some some chucky

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Speaker 3: m there.

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Speaker 1: Chuck is great, but he ain't got what we got.

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Speaker 1: See you and me, baby, Bonnie and Clyde. I'll be Bonnie.

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Speaker 3: It takes a select person to be able to sit

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Speaker 3: in this undisclosed location in any w jurors where I

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Speaker 3: heard many murders occur.

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Speaker 1: Plenty is actually the lyrics. Plenty of murders occurs in

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Speaker 1: any event.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're here ready to rock, and you know

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Speaker 3: you had a long weekend of mister mama saw on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Would you fit your baby daughter for kevlar and take

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Speaker 2: her to a Ramstein concert.

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Speaker 1: No, Rams, I don't listen to Ramstein music. Is that.

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Speaker 3: I thought you're into that like sort of pre mass

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Speaker 3: shooting type of soundtrack.

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Speaker 1: That's not pre mass shooting. That's pre for me. The

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Speaker 1: kind of music I listened to to me, I put

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Speaker 1: Ramstein it's about as soft as the cure. They're on

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Speaker 1: the same level for me. You understand that. So I

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Speaker 1: would not listen to into like nuclear warfare. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: you gotta really feel that heat. Uh No, my wife

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Speaker 3: What a contrast to Luke the intellectual, Luke the veteran,

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Speaker 3: happy veterans, dat veterans, thank you for serving our country

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Speaker 3: in the Marines. About time you deal with that PTSD though,

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Speaker 3: But we'll get to that another time, making light of it.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's a nice contrast between Luke the

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Speaker 3: high school athlete at Old Marietta and then this this

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Speaker 1: To no such thing as no such thing as an

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Speaker 1: you would not understand that. Nevertheless, we have to get

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Speaker 1: this show started, Brian Campbell. We kick it off with

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Speaker 1: your favorite sport, boxing or well something kind of like boxing.

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Speaker 1: But if two famous tour put the do, it's like

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Speaker 1: boxing adjacent something like that. All right, so let's get

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Speaker 1: to it. KSI, I don't know who that is and

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Speaker 1: Logan Paul that's the dude who made the video, but

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Speaker 1: the guy hanging himself in Japan. Anyway, they got together

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Speaker 1: and had something called a boxing match in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: It aired on to Zone and there's sort of a

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Speaker 1: big question about it. Lance Pugmar of the La Times.

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Speaker 1: Of course this event was in.

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Speaker 2: LA He's with the Athletic. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: He he's with the Athletic. Oh sorr he used to

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Speaker 1: For the record, they did not sell out the Staples Center.

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Speaker 1: The upper bowl was still roped off, but they sold

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Speaker 1: out everything on the Lord Bowl and down. I've seen

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Speaker 1: UFC events that have done worse. Although TJ versus Cody

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Speaker 1: it out. But okay, whatever the point being is two

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Speaker 1: an incredible amount of traffic in any event. So they

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Speaker 1: The question is who really won on the course of

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Speaker 1: the evening. Now, the guy who won the match, Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 1: was this dude named KSI, which I believe. I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize this tilly one. I guess it stands for, like

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Speaker 1: this is if I get this right, knowledge strength, integrity?

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Speaker 2: Their integrity and YouTube boxing?

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Speaker 3: All right, here's the deal, Luke. It was a good

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Speaker 3: piece of business. It was entertaining for what it was.

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Speaker 3: I had set you up coming in going. Look, I

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Speaker 3: case are certainly them for really raising their profile, for

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Speaker 3: to settle some corny grudge. I want to stop it

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Speaker 3: short of like though, the narratives that go boxing wins

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Speaker 3: and this is great for boxing, And that was something

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Speaker 3: that was echoed on the Deszone broadcast that got super

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Speaker 3: cringey the promoters and maybe de Zone for one night

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Speaker 3: You always sort of mortgage your long term future to

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Speaker 3: that sense it probably worked. People had to go out

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Speaker 3: of their way to figure out what's the zone days

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Speaker 3: in what is this thing? I'm sure they found it.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they subscribed. I'm sure the promoters made big money.

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Speaker 3: Spoiler alert US at cbsports dot com did like almost

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Speaker 3: record traffic. I had KSI and my podcast The State

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Speaker 3: of Combat last week did ten times the normal traffic

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Speaker 3: on my boxing show. So if you were willing to

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Speaker 3: take part in this, if you were willing to reach

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Speaker 3: long run, did you get an upset slummach? Probably, But

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Speaker 3: in the short term everybody that put their hand on

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Speaker 3: it did win. But this does nothing for boxing. This

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Speaker 3: does nothing for anybody. It was a celebrity event that

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Speaker 3: give them this, luke. They didn't embarrass the sport and

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Speaker 3: the fight was kind of fun. It had controversy, had

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Speaker 1: What it was it was fun to insult is what

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Speaker 2: It was funny. There was a hate watch element to it.

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Speaker 1: There's a clear hate watch element too it. I mean

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Speaker 1: really early and you see the guys this is a

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Speaker 1: they actually look better than that. These guys are just

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Speaker 1: form of social in some ways, dude, they did a

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Speaker 1: great job selling this fight. They really did. They got

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Speaker 1: because it didn't try. It's a bad fight because it's

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you want to be blonded is.

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Speaker 1: But here the thing that got me was like, who

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Speaker 1: short term, di zones the winner, because, as I mentioned before,

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Speaker 1: but for right now, linear television is the way that

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Speaker 1: it goes. Also, they have ESPN channels. ESPN Plus is

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Speaker 1: in adendum, de Zone does not have a dizone channel

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Speaker 1: that you can get on Comcast or direct TV. That's

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Speaker 1: all they have. So getting some kind of business awareness

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Speaker 1: for them is truly paramount. This is a great way

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Speaker 1: What I object to is the obvious lie that this

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, they're paying an absurd amount of money

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Speaker 3: to Kanelo, Alvas, Tokenatica, Glufkin, to all these players to

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Speaker 3: To do more decisions like this, like making Knelo Alvarez

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Speaker 3: That sort of pissed off the boxing regular because long

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Speaker 1: Now that being said, Devin Haney was your sort of

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Speaker 1: Brian Camp, you were on this show telling me he

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Speaker 1: This to me was a performance. Is the first fighter

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Speaker 3: It was a little bit sobering this performance, And I

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Speaker 3: But I do acknowledge from what Vinnie Paz is saying

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Speaker 3: get that rub. This wasn't the performance from Devin Haney

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Speaker 2: The WBC titles.

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Speaker 3: the W'SBC franchise champion. No, that performance did not tell

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Speaker 3: It just wasn't you know, Look that sometimes that's matchmaking.

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Speaker 3: They put him in there with an unbeaten guy who

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Speaker 1: Who appeared to me from a body language standpoint, unafraid

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Speaker 3: Certainly a failure from the idea of all these nerds

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Speaker 1: I want to see what it actually results in. Does

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Speaker 2: Boxing sells its soul all the time.

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Speaker 3: This is where they sort of lent out their soul

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Speaker 3: It's a sleazy transaction. It is what it was. It

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Speaker 3: By the way, how about Jack get off my lawn.

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Speaker 3: Reese the referee taking two points away in a six

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Speaker 1: A little bit because his eventual explanation was not so bad.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I know. I don't give a shit about

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Speaker 3: Can't wait to get back with this as lame is

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Speaker 1: No, because Mickey Gall is a real fighter. That's what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, no fifth in the state. It's like great,

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Speaker 3: Up all right, considering nobody had cardiac arrest and died.

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Speaker 3: Is this a less of a stain than Datta and Kimba?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean that was like sloppy to the point

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Speaker 2: It was fun for what it was. I don't want

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Speaker 1: Right, There's no need. They're like, oh, a trilogy, and

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Speaker 1: they both were kind of against the trilogy. I was like,

436
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Speaker 1: thank you Jesus uh in any event lasting on this.

437
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Speaker 1: I said this as well on Twitter. If you did

438
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Speaker 1: you see Jake Paul talk yeah with his grills. Yeah.

439
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Speaker 1: Nothing makes me miss the Knockout Game more than when

440
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,680
Speaker 1: Jake Paul talks. Oh, I missed the Knockout Game so much.

441
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Speaker 1: Where did the knockout game. Go when you need it

442
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Speaker 1: the most. You know what I'm saying. All right at

443
00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,639
Speaker 1: an't even speaking of moving on because Jay is in

444
00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,760
Speaker 1: my ear losing his mind. We now go to our

445
00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,879
Speaker 1: second topic, Nate Diaz over the weekend, we will get

446
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Speaker 1: to UFC Moscow. But Nate Diaz over the weekend had said, well,

447
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,720
Speaker 1: I guess the previous week had said that he didn't

448
00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,600
Speaker 1: want to rematch fo rematch. He doesn't need it anymore.

449
00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,200
Speaker 1: He's moving on, peace out to the fight game. Now.

450
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Speaker 1: We kind of sort of changed his tune a little

451
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Speaker 1: bit over the weekend. I think he told ESPN, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: I'll never retire, I'll always be around. Right now, I'll

453
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Speaker 1: fight right now, but didn't necessarily give an indication about

454
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Speaker 1: when he was coming back against you, didn't really walk

455
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Speaker 1: back the comments about f A rematch. So here he

456
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Speaker 1: is again, Nate Diaz, kind of returning to the fight

457
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Speaker 1: game and then wafting back out again. What is your

458
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Speaker 1: level of fatigue with his I'm in sometimes, I'm out sometimes,

459
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Speaker 1: and how capricious It all seems.

460
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Speaker 3: Pretty high overall, because like everybody else, we just sat

461
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Speaker 3: through three year layoff at the peak of his physical

462
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Speaker 3: and commercial prime and he did essentially nothing with it.

463
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Speaker 1: So I'm pretty fatigue.

464
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Speaker 3: But look, you gotta understand the mind of Nate Diaz,

465
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Speaker 3: which we'll never understand. Like there's questions that will never

466
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Speaker 3: have answers to, right, how do you talk to an angel?

467
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,720
Speaker 3: How do you hold her close to where you are?

468
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 3: And what the hell is Nate Diaz thinking?

469
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Speaker 2: Right? I mean, the heights of that are absurd.

470
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Speaker 1: So it's tough.

471
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Speaker 3: It's tough to even have analysis here because that's Nate,

472
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Speaker 3: that's who he is. He's gonna lose a fight like

473
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Speaker 3: he did and then have almost an excuse on one

474
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Speaker 3: breath and then another breath sort of I'm retiring. No,

475
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Speaker 3: I'd never said it retiring coming back, So it sort

476
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Speaker 3: of just asked me, how did we get here? And

477
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Speaker 3: that's where it's going to be hard to figure out

478
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Speaker 3: because you never get it. Nate to sit down on

479
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Speaker 3: the couch and talk about his youth and figure out

480
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 3: like who hurt him and how to get to this point.

481
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Speaker 1: But I think what is a key.

482
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Speaker 3: Factor in this is heading into that BMF fight, he

483
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Speaker 3: had made a dramatic turnaround in terms of the eyes

484
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,439
Speaker 3: of his brand in UFC embracing him.

485
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Speaker 2: They created this BMF title based on his inspiration.

486
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Speaker 3: He wanted an anti Pedis fight before that, he broke

487
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,199
Speaker 3: his three year lay off and got it, and he

488
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Speaker 3: got to this mountaintop, and then he lost trust again.

489
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Speaker 3: You saw the thing happened, and then the fight stopping

490
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 3: early happened. Now, look, that's not UFC's falt, that's a

491
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Speaker 3: commission stopping it to save him. But in the mind

492
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Speaker 3: of Nate Diaz, I created this ish, I brought this

493
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Speaker 3: belt into existence. Mosvidal is only a thing because I

494
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 3: created this to happen, and now you're trying to hurt

495
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Speaker 3: my name and maybe stop me from having a chance

496
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Speaker 3: to win it. So in the mind of Nate Diaz,

497
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Speaker 3: which is always going to be affected by temperamental bits of.

498
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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, how do you really describe it

500
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Speaker 3: to try to understand what he's thinking.

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Speaker 2: I'll just he's probably jaded and hurt in that regard.

502
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Speaker 3: But how does that play into when he would fight again,

503
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Speaker 3: He would have to get back into a level of trust.

504
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Speaker 1: My view on the whole thing is, and this comes

505
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Speaker 1: to I if I have been guilty of anything in

506
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Speaker 1: the last few years in giving opinions in the sport

507
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Speaker 1: in any kind of a public way, I have carried

508
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Speaker 1: water for the Diaz brothers. Not in a way where

509
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to go and support them because

510
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 1: that's what I do, but because I genuinely believe those things.

511
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 1: And as a general rule, every UFC fighter, especially the headliners,

512
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Speaker 1: they have their ability to maximize their earnings and other

513
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: ways of public visibility suppressed in certain ways. It's magnified

514
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: in certain ways by the UFC machine. It's suppressed in

515
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 1: certain ways, particularly on the wage side of things. So

516
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Speaker 1: like when those fighters never fully get satisfied with the

517
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: amount of money they're making, they are absolutely right. I

518
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Speaker 1: support them one hundred percent. So I say that all

519
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 1: to also say, as a DS supporter, something feels off

520
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: about this. For me, I'm a little bit tired of it,

521
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 1: if I could be honest with you. I mean, look,

522
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Speaker 1: given the caveat that there is some kind of suppression

523
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Speaker 1: going on of their wages because the UFC is a

524
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Speaker 1: bit of a monopsony. I'm sympathetic to that, but he

525
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: just came off a situation where you Dana White and

526
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Speaker 1: the UFC went out of their way to exonerate him,

527
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Speaker 1: which they have.

528
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Speaker 3: Not think he's jaded in sort of probably a.

529
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Speaker 1: Little bit, but they went out of their way. What Look,

530
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Speaker 1: no one is harsher on the antidoping authorities than me,

531
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Speaker 1: but they did at least take the public step to

532
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Speaker 1: exonerate him, which they haven't done for others. Then they

533
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: created a title out of nothing for him. They put

534
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Speaker 1: him in a headlining role, They gave him all the

535
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Speaker 1: promotion he wants to do. They put it in New York's.

536
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: He probably made a ton of money from it. It's like, dude,

537
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: on some level, participation in the machine is required. Winning

538
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: is kind of It's not. You don't have to win

539
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: every time. Horne Mazdol is living proof. But you got

540
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 1: to win enough. You got to do a little bit

541
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Speaker 1: here on your end of the beyond just the marketing

542
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: of it and getting people to care, you have to

543
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Speaker 1: do kind of win a little bit. I mean, look,

544
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Speaker 1: it's the ultimate fighting Dot Dot Championship. It is rooted

545
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: into what we evaluate, it is rooted into what we care.

546
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: And look, if he's a fighter who made a bunch

547
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Speaker 1: of money and he doesn't want to fight. This is

548
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Speaker 1: not me saying you have to honor what me or

549
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: the fans say. You got to live your life the

550
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: best way you want and all those damage those guys

551
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 1: have taken. They have a right to come and go

552
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Speaker 1: as they please. I'm not suggesting otherwise, but as somebody

553
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Speaker 1: who likes it when they fight and cares about their interests,

554
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Speaker 1: this one, to me felt a little off. I was

555
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Speaker 1: a little bit looking at this one being like, really, dude, again,

556
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Speaker 1: we're again, We're here with this one, because what more

557
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Speaker 1: without a union or the court busting this, this this

558
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: monopsothy up? What more as possible? I honestly don't know.

559
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Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent agreeing with you on Sorry, what

560
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: you're saying.

561
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Speaker 3: You know, it's all okay at this point to be

562
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Speaker 3: fatigued and say, innate, what else do you want?

563
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to.

564
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Speaker 3: Get in his head and trying to figure out, like,

565
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Speaker 3: what motivates It doesn't seem to be money.

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Speaker 2: If it was money, he would have filled in those

567
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Speaker 2: three years lost.

568
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Speaker 1: It's just clearly, anybody, it is clearly money.

569
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Speaker 3: It's money to a degree, though it's money wrapped in

570
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: loyalty and an appreciation for what he brings and you, yes,

571
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Speaker 3: you could one hundred percent argue they just rolled out

572
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Speaker 3: the red carpet of appreciation and they created the bell.

573
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Speaker 2: But you've got a defensive.

574
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Speaker 3: Person here who seems wounded, in jaded, and he's just

575
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Speaker 3: waiting to go.

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Speaker 1: See.

577
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Speaker 3: I told you, I told you that this is all

578
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Speaker 3: a trap. I told you that they don't care. So

579
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Speaker 3: under that guys, how they book his next fight, and

580
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Speaker 3: if that fight can be booked is going to be

581
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Speaker 3: so crucial because yes, he's got the Connor trilogy to

582
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Speaker 3: eventually cash in on. Right now is not the time

583
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Speaker 3: Connor's got to prove himself and seems to still have

584
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Speaker 3: one more run, at least at the title level.

585
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Speaker 2: Who the heck is Nate going to fight next?

586
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Speaker 3: That would give him the main event placement and money

587
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Speaker 3: he would desire, and a meaningful enough fight to actually

588
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Speaker 3: main event, but dentially a pay per view.

589
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: Well that wouldn't insult him.

590
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: When he's in a spot thinking of my last four fights,

591
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: I may invented the BMF at the Garden and set

592
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: records twice with Connor.

593
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Speaker 1: You owe me this.

594
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 3: So it's going to be a precarious walk right now,

595
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 3: because if he's going to stay stubborn and sort of

596
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: Jayson there.

597
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: He actually may never fight again for three years.

598
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Speaker 1: He'll fight again, and to dis is always wise to

599
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: let the game cycle through a little bit. You know

600
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: who was Jarge Masswital in January first, twenty nineteen. He

601
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: wasn't a guy that everyone was just sort of really

602
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: caring about. Look at him now. Things have changed, so

603
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: fortunes for certain fighters they'll bubble up, they'll change, and

604
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: he'll pick a spot. I'm not worried about that. And

605
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: also behind the scenes, who knows what the UFC told him.

606
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: He might really believe he's entitled to a rematch. Jorge

607
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: said he would give him a rematch, and maybe the

608
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: UFC is just saying no. In boxing, if you have

609
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: to A or two A sides, or AM to b

610
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: W however you want to put it. But two high

611
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: profile fighters like this and they want to fight each other,

612
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: the promoters in all likelihood would accommodate both short of

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Speaker 1: some kind of sanctioning body getting in the way. And

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Speaker 1: so I understand that frustration. Here's what it is to me.

615
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: It's probably look, man, there is just some difficulties between

616
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: the Diaz brothers and the UFC that they just can't

617
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Speaker 1: get over and I understand that too. All I can

618
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Speaker 1: do is speak as a Nate dis sympathizer and frankly

619
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Speaker 1: a bit of a fan of his work. It was

620
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Speaker 1: a little fatiguing for me to watch that, and I

621
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: would be lying to the audience if I came on

622
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: here and said I didn't feel that way. I do

623
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Speaker 1: feel that way, as much as I understand where he's

624
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: at and he should live his life absolutely the way

625
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: he's earned it. I was a little disappointed by.

626
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Speaker 3: The whole Well, he knows his value now or or

627
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: always has, and it's you know, it's clouded by by

628
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: his beliefs in himself, sometimes to a larger degree than

629
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: the actually are. But he knows his value where I

630
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: don't see him ever being somebody that will stay active

631
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: and eventually become a punching bag to the stars. Now

632
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: I feel like he's only going to continue to sit

633
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: and wait for that perfect opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know.

635
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: And fair to what you say about Look, Horae Moswell

636
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 3: wasn't Horriy Moswell until this year.

637
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: Who's that person right now that really justifies.

638
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: Short of Connor, I don't.

639
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 3: Know giving him that type of money that would make

640
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: him that fired up. They did the BMF thing, but

641
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: Mosvidal has it or won it. I may never see

642
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 3: it again. So what do you do now? No, matchmaker,

643
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 3: what do you do?

644
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: You wait? Or if they come to him and say

645
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: welterweight title shot, he might take that. I know for

646
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: a fact they offered him the fight against Tyron Woodley UFS.

647
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: He can say what they want to know. For a

648
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: fact they offered it to him. He just asked for

649
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: a lot more than they were willing to pay, and

650
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Speaker 1: so eventually they just denied.

651
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Speaker 2: I don't think you can get too mad at them, though,

652
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Speaker 2: because this is what you're saying.

653
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at him, but no, no, are you kidding.

654
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at him at all for that. I'm

655
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: just simply saying that's what that's what ended up scuttling.

656
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: Do you have more sympathy for the UFC and the

657
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: issues that they've had with him?

658
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: No? No, no, I take the das's side in virtually all

659
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: of those. It's just at some point, dude, the clock

660
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: is ticking. You're gonna be thirty five if you're in

661
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: a DAS in April. You know, what is it you

662
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: really want? And again, maybe he wants to do exactly

663
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: what he's doing, in which case fine, case closed. But

664
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: it's like the Daz brothers are allowed to feel the

665
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: way they're allowed to feel, and the US is allowed

666
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: to feel the way they're allowed to feel. Well, so

667
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: are we? So are we? So are we the consumers

668
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: of the das product. We are allowed to feel the

669
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: way we feel. Which is as much as I am

670
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: sympathetic to them, and truly I mean that they have

671
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: been done wrong for a very long time. I've been

672
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: saying it four years. They made a title for the

673
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: guy man like it's like on some level, I don't know,

674
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how you appease them?

675
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 3: Well, I hear you. I mean, how do you appease

676
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 3: a guy who smokes two joints in the morning, smokes

677
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 3: two joints at night.

678
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: Right, you're here, smokes.

679
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: Two joints at time of peace and two in time

680
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: of war.

681
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean this. You apparently have a YouTube question that's real.

682
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: Mister McGregor and others play the same game. Isn't it

683
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: all hype? What do you think? Uh? Yeah, it's all hype.

684
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: And positioning to agree.

685
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: Nate Diaz does it in a weirder, sort of almost

686
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: backwards way compared to the normal person. But yeah, in

687
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 3: the end, in the long run, it's all sort of

688
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: I'm walking away, I'm going you know, I'm going after

689
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: the cheese whatever connors at the time, it's all sort

690
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 3: of lumped in the same I think though with Nate

691
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 3: there's sort of an extra level of craziness and stubbornness. Now,

692
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that's no different than a Habib being

693
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: crazy stubborn and what he does as well.

694
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: But there's resentment built up between I think both Daz

695
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: brothers in the UFC, and I don't blame them for it.

696
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 3: When you say a consumer of Daz is you mean

697
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: the fighting are their strand of CBD.

698
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: I've had their CBD. It's it's a good company, all right.

699
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: In any event, let's move on to the next topic.

700
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: There were some fights over the weekend. You wouldn't know

701
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: based on our rundown, but here we are. UFC Moscow

702
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: took place in Moscow, Russia. Not the greatest card in

703
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: the world, but the main event was zubeat Mega met Cheripov. Well,

704
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: I wish I'm not defending anything, but certainly getting his

705
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: sixth UFC win in defeating Calvin Cator in a A

706
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: I would argue relatively close about here, Brian Cable. The

707
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: question is Zubeat Maga met Scheriapov ready for the winner

708
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: of Alexander Volkanowski versus Max Holloway. I would argue to

709
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: you that he is. He is probably not based on

710
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: what we have seen. Now here's what I would mean. Yeah,

711
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: if you mean yourself. Okay, So if you look at

712
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: the rankings, because all people they seem to forget this.

713
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: It's like, how are title shots handed out? Who's winning,

714
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: who's at the top, and frankly who's available? Really are you?

715
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: Are you just ready to fight? Is often a pretty

716
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: key consideration. So he's near the top of that division

717
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: in a very important way. He's absolutely no matter what

718
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: on that short list, Brian Ortega is ahead of him.

719
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: But Brian Ortega, if he beats Korean Zombie, would only

720
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: have to win one time to get another title shot.

721
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: Especially if Max wins, You're like, really they're gonna do that? Now?

722
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: If Wolkonovski wins, it gets a little dicey. My hunch

723
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: is if Korean Zombie after beating Hanatsomwaikano comes back and

724
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: also beats Brian Ortega. I suspect they'll set him up

725
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: for a title shot, but zabeat is kind of right there.

726
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: The question, though, is not whether is he worthy of

727
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: a title shot in as much as it is to

728
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: me like, how would it really go? Six wins in

729
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: the UFC has nothing to sneeze at, and he's got

730
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: submissions I think in two or three of them, one

731
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: of them spectacularly with that Ssulo web stretch he hit

732
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: on Brandon Davis from the Contender series. At the same time, Dude,

733
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: watching this fight, did you not get the feeling that

734
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: somebody like Max Holloway, who can go the distance through

735
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: championship rounds, who can define the boxing exchanges on his terms,

736
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: who can stuff takedowns? This guy continuously in the Bokaniak fight,

737
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: in the Stevens fight, and now in this fight. He

738
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: doesn't exactly fade in the third round, but his style changes.

739
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: We went over it on Dissected. You look at the

740
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: numbers in all three of those fights, they shoot through

741
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: the roof for the opponent, so his numbers stay constant,

742
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: but his opponents turn it on. Dude, that tells you

743
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: something is up that never happens. Let me tell you

744
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: the elite guys. So here's my point. Against two guys

745
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: who can volume strike, who have good defense, who have

746
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: good takedown defense, and have better cardial through the fourth

747
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: and the fifth round, I think they're bad matchups for

748
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: the current version of Sabitan. Now he's young, he can grow,

749
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: he can develop. Let's see how things go. If we

750
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: have to learn any lesson from Kevin Lee and Darren Till,

751
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: it's to pump the brakes on the criticism for guys

752
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: who are still in their early to mid and even

753
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: a little bit late twenties at the same time. Based

754
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: on what I saw in this fight, this fight alone,

755
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: does that make me think he's a legitimate threat to

756
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: either Volkanovsky or Holloway. No, it does not.

757
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: I think it depends on how you perceive this fight, Okay,

758
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: because I'm almost the exact opposite feeling coming off this

759
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 3: fight is you and you have to sort of lay

760
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: some things down at the groundworking foundation. You can take

761
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: them for what they are. But Zabait was honest afterwards

762
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: and saying I had an illness. It affected me. I

763
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: didn't have the stamina in this case with the sickness

764
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: to go hard in that third round and sort of

765
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: fight at my normal pace. I get Professor Salton Pepper,

766
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: you can bring up all these stats from the other

767
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: fights to try to make your point, and that's fine.

768
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: Did he leave the back door open for Calvin Cator

769
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: who got aggresive and the tank at the end to

770
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: make it two to one on the cards. Sure, good

771
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: effort from there. Calvin Cator's also a tough out. What

772
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: I saw was a guy who is ready for Max Holloway.

773
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: And here's why we didn't see Ze beat wrestle or

774
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: try to wrestle outside of that one half hard to

775
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: take down really in the second round, and I think

776
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: and I think he was really setting himself up for

777
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: what the fight would look like and be against Max Holloway,

778
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: almost using this fight against Cater as sort of a

779
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: testing ground. Calvin Cator not Max Holloway, but a volume

780
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: striker and an aggressive guy who'll come after you.

781
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: And I think what I saw in this.

782
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: One was the beat sort of draw on that line

783
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: and the stand in front of himself and saying I'm

784
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: gonna play that line defensively, and I'm gonna counter and

785
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna still be that creative wizard coming from all

786
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: the angles, but I'm gonna do it a little bit

787
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: more subtly because when he does face it against Max,

788
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: the wrestling probably won't be a big factor because the

789
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: maxis takedown ability and Max is gonna be a volume

790
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: guy who's gonna be fainting and coming at him in

791
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: a lot of ways. And from that standpoint of preparing

792
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: for a guy in that level, I really liked what's

793
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: the Beat did in this fight.

794
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: I mean, he did a lot of the sort of.

795
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: Next level stuff that makes him unique, but he did

796
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: it very subtly in the way he was switching things

797
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: up and setting up his attacks, and I almost felt

798
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: like he was using that fight as a proving and

799
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: testing ground for it. And I came out of there going, Yes,

800
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: he didn't get a finish, he didn't look spectacular or

801
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: finished strong, but if you're gonna believe what he says

802
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: about the illness, and look, guys where he comes from,

803
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: they don't storm to f around with lies. They sort

804
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: of just bring the truth and it is what it is.

805
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: I think I've seen enough from him now in six

806
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: UFC fights, that he's going to be a problem for Max.

807
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: And to his statement he said about or Alex or

808
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 3: Alex that I that he's only shown forty percent of

809
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: how good he can be. And when people hear that rightfully,

810
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: I think they can be like, Okay, yeah, whatever. He's

811
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: a guy who when you press him, you're going to

812
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: get the best out of him.

813
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: And I think when.

814
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: Max does and really brings it, it's going to be

815
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: as hard.

816
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: Of an out as they have in that division.

817
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: So I don't come out of that fight thinking it

818
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: was a boring fight, which some people were saying, or

819
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: thinking that he's not ready for prime time.

820
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: When you take all those factors in together, I would.

821
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: I will grant you that as a method of getting

822
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: ready for a Volkanovsky or a Holloway, because, by the way,

823
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: I think Volkovski is the toughest challenge Holloways had to date.

824
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Then yes, you're right, like not relying on the takedown

825
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: is important. And he had the foot sweep, he had

826
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: the one single leg attempt, and then he finally got

827
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: the takedown when he had the double switch toe in

828
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: the third round from Calvincator. He had thrown those in

829
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: the two previous rounds, but not so close in distance.

830
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: The point is one, while he may have had an illness,

831
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: and I take that seriously, his opponents clearly show in

832
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: his last two fights before this one that they turn

833
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: it on in the third round. So this is hardly

834
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: an anomaly. This is a bit of a trend. Number one,

835
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: Number two. While it's important he fought that way, I

836
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: acknowledge I'm not seeing what exactly is the threat to

837
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: Max Holloway. What is it that he does that would

838
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: slow him down, that would make him hard to hit.

839
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he does all those things really really well,

840
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: but certainly not in a way that would be I

841
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: think especially difficult for a Halloway or a Volkanovsky to find,

842
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: particularly the case with Volkanovsky, who can slam the gas

843
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: pedal from beginning to the end hold up. So the

844
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: point being is people talk about all the spinning backfists

845
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: and then the hookkicks you go through the tape, dude,

846
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: they don't really ever hardly land. They serve a purpose

847
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: in backing an opponent up and then confusing him about

848
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: what's coming. But by the third round in the Bokaniak

849
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: fight and in the Stevens fight, and now in this fight,

850
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: opponents begin to realize there's not nearly as much of

851
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: a threat there in terms of materially landing as we

852
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: may think there is. And that's why you keep seeing

853
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: the numbers go up and up and up and up.

854
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting to you that he can't win. What

855
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying is I think a little bit more seasoning

856
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: is in order, maybe one more that may not happen

857
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: because of availability. They want to make a title shot.

858
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: Maybe the zombie gets hurt. I get it, but I

859
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: didn't look at that thinking to myself, Wow, Max Holloway

860
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: has his hands full. I do think that looking at

861
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: Alexander Volkonovsky, Volkovsky is an absolutely serious threat to the

862
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: throne of the Hawaiian king. This guy, while I think

863
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: he is extremely talented, he's a bit of a round winner.

864
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: He's a bit of a round winner against the guy

865
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: like Holloway who will pour it on you, and against

866
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: Dustin Ployrie. He had a big power he had to

867
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: deal with. Zubit does not have big power. I think

868
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get marched down.

869
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: Well, the zibet'srill, you know, I get what you're saying.

870
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: The flashiness is sometimes more of just a look, and

871
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: sometimes he uses the threat of a potential flashiness just

872
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: to set up in a regular counter strike.

873
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: Now he was doing that throwing his hand in the

874
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: air and trying to throw distractions, or he fikes the

875
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: elbow and then comes over.

876
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: And I get, Look, some of that's just not going

877
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 3: to work against Max. But what does the beat do best?

878
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: He creatively counters in such dangerous ways at weird angles

879
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: that you can't prepare for, which would be perfect against

880
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: somebody like Max who goys on you, gets in your

881
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 3: ass and is there the whole fight coming at you.

882
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Max is easy to be hit or carnered.

883
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: Max is obviously controls length and distance so well and

884
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: really faints to set up his shots. But I think,

885
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: true to what he said about the forty percent, Luke,

886
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: you're not gonna see how great the beat can be

887
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: until a great fighter forces that out of him. So

888
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: that's why I think he's a much tougher route against

889
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: a Max than he would be against any of these

890
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: secondary guys that he's going through, because they're not fighting at.

891
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: That volume with that skill to force him to have

892
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: to be that.

893
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: It's clear that the guys top five and down aren't

894
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: that much of a threat to him. What I would

895
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: say is, again, we'll see how the title shot pictures

896
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: shakes out. He might be next. I think we probably

897
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: both agree on this one. If he doesn't get the

898
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: next shot, okay, for whatever reason, I want to see

899
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: him in a five round fight. I think he has

900
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: not been in one. I want to see it.

901
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: I would like to see you get on the board.

902
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: With the Dagistani trend of chopping off the mustards.

903
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: Why do they why do they do the Amish thing?

904
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't know? Is their culture? I remember? What does

905
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: it signify? Do you know? I actually don't know.

906
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: Maybe a love of American history.

907
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, Luke, But you know, any thoughts on

908
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: any possibility, I don't know.

909
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: I've got stash yourself.

910
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: No zero chance, all right. I like my bigote, Greg Hardy.

911
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell was also on the card, losing to Alexander Volkov.

912
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: We had talked about it on this very show, about

913
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: whether he would win, whether he would not. We were

914
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: both wrong. I'd say it was a little less wrong

915
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: than you. I'll explain just a minute. But any event,

916
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: he gave Volkov about the best fight that he could

917
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: given the circumstances, given his lack of relative time in

918
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: the sport, and then of course, given the fact that

919
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: it was a bit of a short notice. What can

920
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: we say about his UFC run to date, Greg Hardy,

921
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy.

922
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: That's a work in progress.

923
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: He over achieved from the standpoint of not being an

924
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 3: easy out against a Volkov, of showing much greater defensive abilities,

925
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: I thought, and to not leave himself open and to

926
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: be able to hang. But I think something happened along

927
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: the way in this fight, and it's what Teddy Atlas

928
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: always calls the silent agreement, in which there was a

929
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: certain point where Greg Hardy basically said to Volkov, I'm

930
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 3: only gonna try to knock you out going so far

931
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 3: and won't go over that line, and Volkov was seemingly

932
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: content to say, as long as you don't go over

933
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: that line, I will continue to jab you and we

934
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: can go the distance here.

935
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it.

936
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: Was as splicit as that, but I think that's the

937
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: way the fight fell into there. And I know Hardy

938
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: injured his hand, and I know all those things. I

939
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: think this is a win for Hardy in the long run.

940
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: He certainly did not embarrass himself. And he went in

941
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: there in a fight against in which all of us

942
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: quote unquote experts like me were like, he's gonna get

943
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: his ass kicked. He didn't get his ass kicked. No.

944
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: He also, at the same time didn't show you, in

945
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: my opinion, that he's really anywhere better than he was.

946
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: Right, showed good survival. Didn't show me that he's had

947
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: a better spot to win fights.

948
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: Didn't. He didn't. And again you can see what you

949
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: want about the Inhaler thing and then the shot on

950
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: the UFC debut at USC Brooklyn. He didn't cheat right like.

951
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: He like literally he really had the point to be like, well,

952
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: let's let's first say this, he didn't cheat.

953
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: Let's give What I mean to say is it's a

954
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: clean chance to judge three rounds without any intervening factor.

955
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: So you can look at it and you can say, hey,

956
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: what do we learn here. I think it's a goldilock situation.

957
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: Right on the one hand, you have the people who

958
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: hyped him up. Here's Greg Hardy. He was, by the way,

959
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: in his prime, an excellent football American football player aggressive.

960
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: You can just say football and we got no.

961
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: No, you you can just say football.

962
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: I'm not.

963
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: Unlike you. I respect our global viewers, buddy. You should

964
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: get on board. In any event, he was an excellent player, okay,

965
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: And so then he he had his own situations. He

966
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: gets to the UFC and you think yourself, Wow, you

967
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: don't have athletes like this at heavyweight hardly at all.

968
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: And there were these grand expectations. Now I'm not suggesting

969
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: that the or has closed on him ever achieving them,

970
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: not saying that at all. What I'm saying is, up

971
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: to this point, this idea he was going to race

972
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: to the front of the division is just not accurate.

973
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: He still might get there incrementally, but the idea that

974
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: he was going to be some kind of new wave challenger, no,

975
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: that's not true, at least not yet. On the other hand,

976
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: you had all of his detractors being like, I hope

977
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: somebody knocks this guy the f out. Volkov has the

978
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: best chance, and he sits here in mouth breeze the

979
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: way he does. You would have thought Volkov man, he

980
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: would have gone there and just run over him, and.

981
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: He try it. He didn't try to go over there

982
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: run okay, But it turns out Greg Hardy is a

983
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: little too good for that.

984
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: So he's kind of found the spot in between where

985
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: what you can tell is when you look at the

986
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: tape on him, he has clearly gotten better at footwork quickly.

987
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: He's gotten really good at knowing where I need to

988
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: be defensive sensibilities. He just doesn't have very many weapons

989
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: and so well.

990
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: That's the key, the ability to survive, which probably comes

991
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: wrong training against a JDS and att you know, the

992
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: ability to survive was was very good.

993
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: Right, he does doesn't have enough offensive weapons, so he

994
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: ends up being kind of boring, little bit boring because

995
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: he's in this middle zone where he hasn't quite fully

996
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: matured as a technician, but he's got enough to stay

997
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: in the fight against good guys. It just lets everybody.

998
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: It's like, knock him out or get knocked out?

999
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you doing?

1000
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: Being so average in the end, But he's not average.

1001
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: He's still a decent prospect. It's just he's not what

1002
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: anyone said he was going to be, either for good

1003
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: or for bad, not yet anyway. But the jury stallota

1004
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: suppose a little bit. How much longer do you give

1005
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: am or two. Before you say that's kind of who

1006
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: he is, I think it's I think he's a lot

1007
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: closer to being who he is.

1008
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: Although I look, I agree, like I said, he was

1009
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: better at survival than I thought he would be. He

1010
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: didn't gas out at the you know, badly at the

1011
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 3: end of the third like he did against the wombat.

1012
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: But the ceiling's coming. I mean, how much more can

1013
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: you evolve? I know heavyweights have a longer window, they

1014
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: have a larger opportunity late in age, and he doesn't

1015
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: have the damage in the mileage you would think, although

1016
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: you can't really calculate what the NFL career does to

1017
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 3: slow down your your overall meter and inside the cage.

1018
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: But there was some it's weird.

1019
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 3: It was a plus and it was a win in defeat,

1020
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: but there was a sobering element to it.

1021
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: Right right, I mean it was it was. It's it's

1022
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: very complicated because on certain fronts you're like, wow, that's

1023
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. In another front you're like, yeah, but but

1024
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: there's lingering problems there, and so you never really know

1025
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: what quite you.

1026
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: Agree without a volkof at all, not for not giving

1027
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: what people wanted from that regard when it was there.

1028
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: Do you think it was there? No?

1029
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: Or maybe he's still thinking about Derek Lewis in the back.

1030
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: My hunch is Greg Hardy does have really good power.

1031
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: Every heavyweight does, but I'm guessing he does. And I

1032
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: my hunch is that Volkov probably was fearful of it,

1033
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: and so it was like, you know, and then it

1034
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: was just like if I can win this way, I'm

1035
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: gonna win this way. I'm in my hometown. Plus, we've

1036
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: seen it before, man, Guys who are a sides take

1037
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: our better fighters, take fights on short notice, and then

1038
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: they look kind of weird even in a win. John

1039
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: Jones versus osp is a sort of a classic example.

1040
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: There have been many other ones as well. Uh. He

1041
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: probably was just like, dude, I'm not gonna risk nothing

1042
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: on this guy. I'm just gonna get in there and

1043
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: get the job done and get out. And he did.

1044
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do? All right? Last, but

1045
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: not least, dude, how is this thing just still going on?

1046
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: Have you even conn or just going after each other?

1047
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: Let's start on the Connor side. So during UFC Moscow,

1048
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: Connor began to tweet and then ultimately delete a series

1049
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: of taunts towards the cousin of the UFC lightweight champion

1050
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: and rival hbib Nember got made off. His cousin, of course,

1051
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: is Abba Bucar. Nember got made off. Who was fighting

1052
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: well enough from coming from the PFL announce to UFC.

1053
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: Wait, was it was he one of the guys who

1054
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 2: ran in the CAJ two twenty nine.

1055
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: I don't believe that's correct, but I honestly don't know.

1056
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't even I don't even care.

1057
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: At this point, I thought he was one of the

1058
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: one of the guys that got suspended.

1059
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: He might have been, I don't, I honestly don't. I

1060
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: gave so little attention to that, Believe it or not.

1061
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: People thought that that was like and square in terms

1062
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: of gravity of things in combats. Could could have been yeah,

1063
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: but we got lucky. But it also wasn't any.

1064
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: It could have been the modern palace brawl.

1065
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: Okay, uh no, they weren't wearing fighting fans. They were

1066
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: fighting each other. In any event, he lost be a

1067
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: triangle number got madeoff. Did not the senior but the

1068
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: cousin Abba Bokar, and Connor took to Twitter and called

1069
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: him a ship bag and him said he was disgraced

1070
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: forever for doing it. What did you make of Connor

1071
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: tweeting all those things? The nature of this tweet's given

1072
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: that he has lost via submission to his rival's cousin

1073
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: and then deleting it all.

1074
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: It's completely on brand for Connor to do that. So

1075
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 3: I'm actually for that from that regard, he's a trash talker.

1076
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: He's got obvious beef with the extended Normaga medav family

1077
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 3: and in the larger team for running in and attacking,

1078
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: which is a small element that I think sometimes we

1079
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: do look over. He was sort of blindsided and an

1080
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: attack from behind, although look it was not premeditated. I mean,

1081
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 3: you know, you know what happened in April in Brooklyn

1082
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 3: and all that, But deleting them that ain't That ain't

1083
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: the real that's not gangster, that's not BMF to, that's

1084
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: not BMF territory. I mean, like, I get, if you're

1085
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: going to make fun of, you know, Habib's wife and

1086
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: touch on the culture side of it, you want to

1087
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 3: get away from that, you delete that crap.

1088
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: But this was sort of like you can't leave that

1089
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: out there. What do you make of the idea that's like,

1090
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, look, they're not equivalent. The way Abbubucar lost

1091
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: to somebody who is not nearly of the level and

1092
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: the way that Connor lost to habib it was fort

1093
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: of Light Championship. Right. One is much harder and more

1094
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: difficult to come by than the other, but both have

1095
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: typically lost in the UFC by submission. What do you

1096
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: make of him making fun of somebody else for also

1097
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: losing via submission. I get the irony. I get you

1098
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: want to you know, I'm not suggesting me. It's like

1099
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: Connor twitters stick. I'm just over it. This is just

1100
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: kind of weird.

1101
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: So this is where I'm at in general.

1102
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,479
Speaker 3: And I feel like I've been here many different times

1103
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: in this roller coaster of the last what year plus

1104
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: since Connor fought like fight or get the hell off

1105
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 3: my timeline, because I'm really past the point of caring.

1106
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I like, I got into it a little

1107
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: bit with you right there, but no, I don't care.

1108
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 1: Fight dude.

1109
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: Hey, UFC, we think January teen might be a day.

1110
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be cowboys? It gonna be just engaged.

1111
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's gonna be freaking out, just announce it.

1112
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: Announce this crap because I was even putting it. Listen

1113
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: to the show at this point and going, Connor, it'll be.

1114
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: But it's like if I'm Hobi, but I don't even

1115
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: talk about him. I don't even make an I know,

1116
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: what did he say?

1117
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: He has to have ten wins before he or ten

1118
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: other fights before he gives him a rene.

1119
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean, especially with everything going on with Connor outside

1120
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: of the cage and the sexual assaw allegations and all

1121
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: that stuff and punching old guys, at this point, the

1122
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: smartest thing UFC can do is rush him back into

1123
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: a fight and let that.

1124
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: Become the narrative.

1125
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: Let Connor go out there and blow somebody away or

1126
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: win in any form, and then you'll get me banging

1127
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: that drum again, going, hey, should we make Abib Connor

1128
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: to next fall after Ferguson if he wins that. But

1129
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: as things stand right now, especially with Tony Ferguson waiting

1130
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 3: in the midst can we give him.

1131
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: His fight already?

1132
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: Can we go for it for the fifth time? Can

1133
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 3: we give that man the title shot he deserves? Can

1134
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: we not follow him around with a TV cord pulling

1135
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: on his leg? Ready to swipe it out from under

1136
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 3: his legs. I mean, come on, make that damn fight

1137
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: and get off my timeline.

1138
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: Connor last, but not least in the Connor versus Habib thing.

1139
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: Oh it's not so much Connor, but at least on

1140
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: the Habib side, he said, interestingly. And I think a

1141
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: Q and A he had done with the fans that

1142
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: he wants an apology from the Nevada Athletic Commission, and

1143
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: he is much more interested in fighting in New York.

1144
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: Now you can understand the latter in a couple of

1145
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: different ways. It's a big venue, it's excited. There is

1146
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: a huge Russian population native to the New York area,

1147
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: certainly native at this point anyway. And remember there's a

1148
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: press conference that they held for him at Brighton Beach

1149
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: and it was just a scene. Okay, So I get that. However,

1150
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: there are also complications fighting in New York. The Commission

1151
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: is a little wonky. They make weird decisions. If a

1152
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: fight goes to a decision, one never knows the competency

1153
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: of their judging, or their medical supervision, or a number

1154
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: of other concerns. As it relates to the way in

1155
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: punishments that kind of thing. It's kind of weird, right,

1156
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: Like for a commission that he's mad at that punished

1157
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: him for you know, rightly, you could assume that they

1158
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: would want to take some action from what he did.

1159
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: It's like New York is like relatively actually, I would

1160
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: argue more punitive than Nevada. They haven't punished hbe for

1161
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: anything yet. But if you're worried about a commission that might, boy,

1162
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: they're at or near the top of the list for

1163
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: capricious and sort of odd things.

1164
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 3: Ask you the centain of the answer. Is Connor McGregor

1165
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: allowed to fight in the state of New York right now?

1166
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he has a license. I think you

1167
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: have to apply for one. But I believe he has

1168
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: served all of the in terms of any kind of

1169
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: law enforcement issue that would prevent him. I don't believe

1170
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: that is the case. But by the way, commission always

1171
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: has a discretion. Now they would because.

1172
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: If he was taking a sort of moral stand against

1173
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 3: Nevada for what happened at two twenty nine. But yet

1174
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 3: it's like, well, I want to go back to New

1175
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: York where Connor attacked me with in the damn buss

1176
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: and really nothing happened to him outside of I know Dane,

1177
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: it's going to say he paid millions, he paid for

1178
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: that move, but nothing really happened to him in a

1179
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: fighting sense, right, he got rewarded with the biggest fight, right.

1180
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: But I think the idea is, certainly that's a great point.

1181
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: But I think the idea is, at least if I'm

1182
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: trying to read Nrigamdov's mind, such as one can, it's

1183
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: that he feels he was done wrong or humiliated or

1184
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: had his integrity attacked in some kind of a way.

1185
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: Like he believes what he did at UFC two twenty

1186
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: nine was absolutely ethically justified in every way. I think

1187
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: he knows he got a little bit fouled with the rules,

1188
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: but he sees those rules as an impediment to an

1189
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: ethical lifestyle that you know, again, he sees for himself,

1190
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: and so in the course of the Commission's actions, he

1191
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: just cannot find it seems anyway.

1192
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: Hey, habib B, don't trust any anybody, right, I mean,

1193
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: Industry rule number four thousand and eighty.

1194
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 2: Most athletic commissions are shady.

1195
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, uh, yeah, I had Jay in

1196
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: my ear, so I'm glad I missed your little nursery rhyme. Wow.

1197
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: In any event, With that being said, we have gone

1198
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: through our five topics. It is time now for your questions,

1199
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: ladies and gents. It is time now for dms from donks.

1200
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: All right, let's get started. So this goes to us

1201
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: from Zach Zaide gets faded. This is some did who

1202
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: either gets drunk or high chill or knocked out, often

1203
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: chilling in the cut. With the recent with the recent

1204
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: losses of the Jeremy Stevens and Calvin Cators of the world,

1205
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: it seems like three round fights don't give you all

1206
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: you can get out of UFC fighters or out of

1207
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: the fighters. Kidding, I really claim Brian Campbell to be

1208
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: the better fighter. If one more minute was added to

1209
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: that clock, they would lose. Should all UFC fights be

1210
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: made five rounds?

1211
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: All UFC fights should not be made five rounds now,

1212
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 3: the idea of putting non title fights at five rounds

1213
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: made events?

1214
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: Was it really all?

1215
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: What was that fight?

1216
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: I believe it was in Calgary.

1217
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: It was a light heavyweight about. It was like a

1218
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: non title light heavyweight about. I think it might have

1219
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: been like Rampage and macheater. Somebody on that level, remember,

1220
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 3: was really boring and nothing really happened, and that sort

1221
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: of seemed to be the tipping point of people going,

1222
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: why do we not have five round main events? My

1223
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: problem with five round non title main events have been

1224
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: a lot of times they just throw it out to

1225
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: whoever's next in line to headline UFC Albany, and it's like.

1226
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: Certain fighters aren't to me, fighting at the.

1227
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: Five round level, which was always a kin to being

1228
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: on the championship level, sort of means something. It's sort

1229
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: of like you need to accomplish a certain point to

1230
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: get to a level where you can then be fighting

1231
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: on that five round level. So I never like to

1232
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: begin with when just to sort of fill out a

1233
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: main event we just sort of bump people up to

1234
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: the five round level with nothing.

1235
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: Do you think that's I mean, where do you stand

1236
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: on that?

1237
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: I have a sort of a different view on this.

1238
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: Chill Son and has really affected my thinking on it.

1239
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: He has introduced the idea that if you really look

1240
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: at the damage that fighter can take in a three

1241
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: versus a five, and again they're all always going to

1242
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: be exceptions, but that the amount of damage they take

1243
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: in the five round fight is truly career aing in many,

1244
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: many occasions, especially at the highest level.

1245
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: You know, that's why I like reserving it for only

1246
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: total fights my point, and.

1247
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: Also like this is why these guys need to be paid,

1248
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: you know. So the idea of making it a five

1249
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: round fight for all UFC fights, number one is not

1250
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: tenable for a broadcast position, and number two would do

1251
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: untold damage to these guys. Also, there's something weird, like

1252
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: I know Joe Regan has gone on these things like, oh,

1253
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: they should fight in a basketball of corps where it's

1254
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: like there's no walls and whatnot. Look, any fighting scenario,

1255
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: whether it is the street, the street with weapons, the

1256
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: street and you're blinded, the street at night, the street

1257
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: during day, in a boxing ring with gloves, and a

1258
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: boxing ring with four ounce gloves and a four ounce

1259
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: gloves in a cage. Every scenario is just manufactured. There's

1260
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: no such thing as a real fight. Everything has certain rules,

1261
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: everything has certain boundaries. And yes, I do think for

1262
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: some championship fights when they're gonna be five rounds, like

1263
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: every championship fight is going to be five rounds, and

1264
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: you have somebody who's sniffing that territory, like as a

1265
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: beating in Mecca Mincheripov. It'd be nice to see them

1266
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: in those five round fights. I get that, But people

1267
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: and them may have this weird obsession with one's real

1268
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: and one's not real. This is the authentic way, this

1269
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: is the inauthentic way. They're all inauthentic in their own

1270
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: way and then authentic in other ways. The point being

1271
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: is just work with the terms you have, fight according

1272
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: to those rules, and let the best man win.

1273
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the spirit of the question is saying, could

1274
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 3: you have an argument if you fought in a three

1275
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: round fight and seem to be coming on, well, not

1276
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: if it was a three round fight, not if you

1277
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: signed up for And.

1278
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: Also, three round fights will change a strategy, it'll change

1279
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: how you prepare. It doesn't necessarily mean that if it

1280
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: goes five round the other person can't win.

1281
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: No, but I think you're right on the idea of like,

1282
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: when we see something really bad finally happen in the

1283
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: UFC healthwise, to somebody, it's probably gonna come back.

1284
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: Could you really make the argument that Carlos condit was

1285
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: the same after the Robbie Lawler fight. I just don't

1286
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: think you can make that argument. So no, I'm not

1287
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: a fan of doing five rounds all the time like that.

1288
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Speaker 1: All right, and this comes to us from John Riggins,

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00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: the famous quarterback not really running back. He said, John Riggins,

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00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: what did I say? Quarterback? All right?

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00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: Well, time you're thinking of Joan's legs starting?

1292
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I think? Yesterday was the celebration

1293
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: of Mark Rippians six touchdowns against the Atlanta Falcons.

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00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 2: I remember that game ninety one Conference playoffs?

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Speaker 1: What trilogy are you most intrigued by? Connor? Who put

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00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: this question together? Connor? Nate or cas? I look Upaul Derek?

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00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: Did you pull this question?

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00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: Are you looking for skulls right now?

1299
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: Looking? I mean, how are you gonna go?

1300
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: You're gonna go after young.

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00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: Jacob here again? Or what?

1302
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 3: Oh?

1303
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: Apparently I won't say his last name. Apparently it was

1304
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: Matt who did it? Yes? All right, yeah, way to go.

1305
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: Why would you put this question? I mean, I don't

1306
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: know how to answer this without getting angry at the questioner.

1307
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?

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00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: Why once you take your shot at Riggins thirty two?

1309
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: There?

1310
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Connor Nate is the answer?

1311
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: Thank you?

1312
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 3: Why don't we use this time to actually get an

1313
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 3: educated answer, Luke, that fight will happen Connor Nate three

1314
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 3: before they both retire and die.

1315
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: But what would be the best scenario for you as

1316
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: a fan? Under what terms?

1317
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: Don't care?

1318
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 3: No?

1319
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 2: No, does it motivate you?

1320
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: Have we gone too long? When the idea of what

1321
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: made this rivalry great was the beef between them? Have

1322
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 3: we gone too long?

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00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: No? It's easily sellable. It's a fine fight. I I

1324
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: don't have Like a lot of times people ask me like,

1325
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: oh what I had? Someone ask me about what's your

1326
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: dream UFC card? I don't really feel I don't think

1327
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: of the sport in those terms. There are individual fights

1328
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: I would want to see for right now, the one

1329
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: I do think about is Habi versus Tony. Right for me,

1330
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: that's really important to see. But I don't get around

1331
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: like super steamed up about the idea like what would

1332
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: be an ideal circumstance for Connor Nate to fight again?

1333
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: That fight doesn't for me personally the fight itself. While

1334
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: I recognize the greater sporting impact, it doesn't move me

1335
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: in that way. So I don't really have any strong

1336
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: thoughts about it.

1337
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: Right if ks I look and Paul three happened, But

1338
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: they decided to bring it to the Bellotor Cage.

1339
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: Would you avoid it at all costs, at all costs, yes,

1340
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: and also make it with knives. Also bring back the

1341
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: knockout game for Jake Paul. All right, Next, I don't

1342
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: even know how to say this one, Jack Thompson, you

1343
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: can't just spell like a normal person.

1344
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: He may have things going on at home, you know,

1345
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 2: you know, you never know these guys. These guys will

1346
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: come looking for you if you cross them.

1347
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: I guess, all right, do you think when Colby Covington

1348
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: beats Usman and Dot providing, Tyron Woodley beats Leon Scott,

1349
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: will they do Woodley versus Colby or go straight from Masvidal?

1350
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1351
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 3: So if Colby wins the title, No, they will not

1352
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: do Woodley versus Colby, They'll do Mosviedal Mosvidal is h Yeah,

1353
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: they'll go straight.

1354
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. I was speaking to some people

1355
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: close to Masvidal. They don't seem to hype on that fight.

1356
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: So Mozvedoal's team doesn't want the Colby Fighter's what you're saying,

1357
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: because I don't is that due to my read on them,

1358
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: was that is not their first priority, So.

1359
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: The title wouldn't be Whoregey Mazvedal's first priority. Okay, so

1360
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: this is the contradiction all of it. And this is

1361
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: what I said to them. I'm like, hasn't he explicitly

1362
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: said fighting for not just a belt but the divisional

1363
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: belt was like a real long term goal of his,

1364
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: Like he's been into my mind pretty clear about that.

1365
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: And they were like, yeah, but they right now, what

1366
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: they're thinking is is what they told me. Right now,

1367
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: what they're thinking about is who can give them the

1368
00:54:59,000 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: most money.

1369
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: If you're in the UFC and Colby Covington should win

1370
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 3: the Welzroy Championship, what's the biggest fight they can make

1371
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 3: to take advantage of his ability to be a heel.

1372
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: The Woodly fight would be a big one, but the

1373
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: Hojogey one is the biggest one. The Horney one is

1374
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: the biggest one. This is what this is for me.

1375
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: Why I like them saying that. Maybe they're just telling

1376
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: media that, so I'll say that, and it just, you know,

1377
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: puts out a negotiating perspective. One never really knows. But

1378
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, if Colby wins the gravitational pull to

1379
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: get the BMF holder. Even if it was Nate to

1380
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: fight the winner would be huge. Add in the fact

1381
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: that it's Jorge masvidoal who has a personal, a real

1382
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: nobs personal, failed relationship with the other belttholder, and that

1383
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: there's acrimony there that is eminently mineable. Man, dude with

1384
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: a story to tell.

1385
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just up the dollars, and they

1386
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: would make it.

1387
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: I just don't know how you don't make that fight,

1388
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: To be quite honest with you, we make it now.

1389
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: If Oosman wins.

1390
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 2: That's where you have a dilemma.

1391
00:55:58,880 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: That's where it gets a little dice.

1392
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: Do you want to send Jorge Moswell's brand into that

1393
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 3: deep water of that rest so bad fight.

1394
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 1: For Hora If you ask me, it's not that Jorge

1395
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: can't win. He can beat anyone in that division. But

1396
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: it's just like historically, the guys that have given him trouble,

1397
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: the ones who can spam him, would take down attempts.

1398
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: It's exactly what what if you got Nate Diaz a win.

1399
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 3: Is he suddenly instantly a welterweight title contender where you

1400
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 3: could put him in there against a Nusman.

1401
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: He just gotta win. Oh, Nate dz why would you

1402
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: want to make that fight. That's a terrible fight for Nate.

1403
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: That's a terrible fight for Nate. Really, the reality is

1404
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: due Nate's not a welterweight. He can fight at welterweight.

1405
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: But didn't you feel like, because I wasn't on the

1406
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: show for the Monday afterwards, didn't you feel like watching

1407
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: that two forty four manin event it was like, one

1408
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: of these guys is a real welterweight I can fight.

1409
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: I actually didn't think the weight was the issue.

1410
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: I thought it was not the weight. You don't think

1411
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: Jorge had much greater punching power, No, I mean I

1412
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: agree with you on that.

1413
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 3: I think it was more of Jorge's evolvement that I

1414
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: saw was the difference in that fight.

1415
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: Tell me how you think he's evolved. I don't buy

1416
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: this whole argument, but tell me how you think he's evolved.

1417
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 3: It's the combination of refining his physical skills, but mostly

1418
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 3: just straight up believing in himself, getting to the elite

1419
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 3: level of cardio where he's not afraid of fading, and

1420
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: just getting to a sort of effet point.

1421
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: Not ef he's never had bad cardio, dude, What he's talked.

1422
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,479
Speaker 3: About and admitted the whole idea of maybe the fear

1423
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: of it, the fear of it and how that affects him.

1424
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: But it's you know, and it's not effort from the

1425
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 3: idea of like nothing matters, but effort from the idea

1426
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: of like, I'm going to find out how great I

1427
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: can be, and none, none of the other crap is

1428
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: going to slow me down.

1429
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: I just know these are all just platitudes that writers

1430
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: say that don't mean anything. Dude, this is mental one

1431
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: hundred percent agree. Here's to me. The difference he has

1432
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: clearly had a mindset change on that level. Agrory, he

1433
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: talked about going into the wilderness and having to hear

1434
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: your own thoughts. I've actually been doing a lot of

1435
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: reading this. I'm being done serious. I've done a lot

1436
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: of reading about the powers of different forms of meditation

1437
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: or solitude and how they can Frankly, you're actually it

1438
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: terms out. Your mind needs that kind.

1439
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 3: You could find a lot of peace from spending time alone.

1440
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: I believe me, I get it. It's actually a real thing.

1441
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: So I take that seriously. To me, the difference is

1442
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: if you go back and you watch the iaquint to

1443
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: fight or once he's lost, like the lark in fight.

1444
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: A lot of times he wasn't fighting on his terms.

1445
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: He was just kind of answering the complexion of the

1446
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: fight set by the opponent. Now he's going out and

1447
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: he's putting his stamp on everything. Right, that's to me

1448
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: the shift. The shift is I'm going to defy define

1449
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: the terms of these exchanges. That's fair, and that has

1450
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: made him instantly better.

1451
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 3: Still plays into what I said, though, right, I got notes.

1452
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: All right, this comes to us from So's tack to me,

1453
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: should people hit the bag with barre knuckles to condition

1454
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: them if at all possible, especially those interested in bare

1455
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: knuckle boxing or self defense where obviously don't have raps

1456
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: and gloves.

1457
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 3: A speaking of barre knuckle boxing, ain't it Artom Lobov

1458
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 3: Jason Knight too this weekend?

1459
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: That's not what he is asking. All right, you can

1460
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: handle that all you want. So, actually, this is a

1461
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: better question for someone like Faraza hobby or what you

1462
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: call it. The only thing I've ever done to this effect,

1463
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: speaking of veterans day, So, I took part in the

1464
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: Marine Corps Martial arts program, and they did a thing

1465
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: there called body hardening you ever heard of that where

1466
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: they would spend time during the day, And I wonder

1467
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: with modern practices, like how important this is. I just

1468
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: do that during cinemax late night. No, no body hardening.

1469
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: Not treat your body below the waist like an amusement park. So,

1470
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: for example, you ever seen these kids who fight tie boxing,

1471
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: they're like nine years old. Yeah, they'll take and they'll

1472
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: roll like glass along their shins. You ever seen that,

1473
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: And what they're trying to do is they're trying to

1474
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: deaden the nerves inside all of their shins so when

1475
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: they throw, they can throw with impunity. Right. They would

1476
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: do things like that in the Marine Corps where we

1477
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: would hit the bag bare knuckle and at first it

1478
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: would tear your knuckles to pieces, and then over the

1479
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: course of a few weeks you did scab up equivalent

1480
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: of what they're doing to you mentally when you get

1481
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: in their to And also you have to take you

1482
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: have to take a hundred leg kicks, not full ones.

1483
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: But they would want to deaden the inside of the

1484
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: nerves here and then outside. There might be something to that,

1485
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: but honestly, it feels like with modern practices, preserving the

1486
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: body is probably better they're probably there should be some

1487
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of you know, a callous or there is good

1488
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: Like for example, when I see people lift weights with

1489
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: gloves on, I automatically know you peece sitting down. There

1490
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: is just nothing. Wow, there's nothing that says I'm There's

1491
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: nothing that's like, how do you broadcast to the world

1492
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: like total cuckness. Put gloves on your hands when you

1493
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: go to the weight room because you want the calllyss

1494
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: the callus and your natural grip is better for grabbing

1495
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: the bar. It's actually long term what you want to build.

1496
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: So it's twice then to be said for that. On

1497
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: the same time though, just ruining your hands. I mean,

1498
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: they wear wraps for a reason as well, right, because

1499
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: you want to protect the integrity of the wrist, and

1500
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: then the bones here are very fragile.

1501
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: Right, So you're both a weightlifter and an asshole.

1502
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 3: So what do you make of the people at the

1503
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 3: gym of the guy who's actually built but he wears

1504
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 3: the real tight ball shorts and he doesn't ask for

1505
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: a spotter, but he screams at every lift. I mean,

1506
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 3: and it's a type of stream that's like look at

1507
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 3: my tight balls, Like what is going through that guys.

1508
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I don't get lured in like

1509
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: you like some kind of cobra who just gets it's

1510
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: enamored with it. Number One, I go about my business. Uh.

1511
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: Number two, this is a rule for life, because if

1512
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: you ride enough subways in metros like I do, you

1513
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: know you see the people open up the door. Hey everybody,

1514
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, I've Mary Christmas I need and I'm not

1515
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: going to homeless. But they come through all the time

1516
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: and they've always got a sad story to tell. And

1517
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: sometimes I give them my sometimes I don't. But the

1518
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: point being is to like to tell the world leave

1519
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: me alone and I'm gonna focus on my business. Over

1520
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: the ear noise canceling headphones. It's the only way to fly.

1521
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: I got a boat.

1522
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: Somebody could be yelling for you to help them.

1523
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: They could be pinned down on their neck.

1524
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 3: They need a spot, and you're just like, f off,

1525
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 3: I gotta listen to this death metal hair.

1526
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: You huh, dude, it's not even about that. I because

1527
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: if you just put regular headphones on that are not

1528
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: noise canceling, which I've been using for years, you can

1529
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: still get distracted. You kind of got to turn your

1530
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: music up, it's not as great. Get the noise example

1531
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: of how you deal with life. It's right, I just

1532
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: turn off. I just turn off the noise and I

1533
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: focus on what I'm doing, and it works out pretty

1534
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: well for me. All right.

1535
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna be hardening my knuckles at any point.

1536
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 3: Are you gonna be watching though? Hictiaz against the artem two?

1537
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,479
Speaker 1: Uh, what's happened? Is there any UFC this weekend?

1538
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 3: Or no?

1539
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1540
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: There is?

1541
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh it's the terrible card though. That card is

1542
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: so bad. Are we gonna have a show next week

1543
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: because that card is horrendous?

1544
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll love a show. We'll drink beer, we'll debate nine.

1545
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: Where's my beer? By the way, they asked me about

1546
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: this in the elevator, where's the beer? Dude? You talked

1547
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 1: a lot of shit. Let's see our last one. Not least.

1548
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: This comes to us from Mount Booble. I'm sure a

1549
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: place you've climbed once or twice. The Mount Rushmore of I've.

1550
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 3: Been to second base if that's where you're daughter right now.

1551
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: The Mount Rushmore of Little Debbie Snacks. I can't do

1552
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: you have? Do you like Little Debbie? I do I do,

1553
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: you know what, just to make sure I refreshed my memory.

1554
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: What is on? I love.

1555
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're actually Debbie.

1556
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're made by Little Debbie.

1557
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: But I love the the zebra cakes, you know, the

1558
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 3: white cakes with the black drizzle across the top.

1559
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: And I tried.

1560
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: I haven't had them since like ninety two, and I

1561
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 3: tried to get them in the store the other day,

1562
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: and my wife called me white trash when I tried

1563
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 3: to grab them off the shelf.

1564
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: She could call you white trash blindfold, to be quite honest.

1565
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 3: But but yeah, that's that's the that's the best one

1566
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 3: right there. Those things are like crack. I see what

1567
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 3: they put inside there.

1568
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: So they got brownies, they got cakes, they got muffins, donuts, cookies, pastries, pies. Oh,

1569
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: the nutty snack bars. Nah, those are lame. You don't

1570
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: need to go, you know, I don't. I don't know

1571
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: if I've had a lot of Little Debby recently to

1572
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: be Oh, these ones, which ones are these? Uh?

1573
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the traditional chocolate cupcake cupcakes with the frosting inside.

1574
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are those.

1575
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: The Christmas tree ones.

1576
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: Those are terrible.

1577
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 3: Those are amazing.

1578
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: Do you like peppermint?

1579
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 3: Like?

1580
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, so we're good on that one.

1581
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: By the way, are you a cake or a pie? Guy? Pie?

1582
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: All the way? Bro dude, how is it? Of course?

1583
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: How could I? How could I have asked the guy

1584
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: who eats gas station food? Did you understand? Pies are

1585
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: what they throw in the faces of clowns. Cakes are

1586
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: what they sort of weddings and then to visiting dignitary.

1587
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: Cakes are for royalty.

1588
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: I mean, get out of here. Did the best desserts

1589
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: in the world. I'd say at least three of the

1590
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 3: top five best desserts are pies. Chocolate cream pie, apple pie,

1591
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 3: meat pie. It's not dessert, but thanksgivings coming up me.

1592
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: Pie is the way to live your life.

1593
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: You need some serious, very French Canadians, my people. He

1594
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: needs psychological counseling. All right, Now we do your bit

1595
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: where we look at something. Oh yeah, hey, hey, have

1596
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: you seen this ship? Luke? Now look, disclaimer.

1597
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: You always say all I'm about is the slap dick,

1598
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 3: the slap stick.

1599
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't say slap dick.

1600
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: That guy get elbows in the nuts.

1601
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1602
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: No, Luke, I want to give you the type of

1603
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 2: porn that you watch. So why don't we start off

1604
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 2: number one?

1605
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 3: Cambt San Antonio Oscar Suarez against Chris Cortez Butterfly hooks.

1606
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: Check this out and check out the jujuts here.

1607
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: Luke, Okay, what do you think about this?

1608
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 2: Look at this guy Nogi Bara over here.

1609
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: It's just an arm bar from Mount oh.

1610
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: I thought the transition was nice. I know you were

1611
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 2: looking at the back of.

1612
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: Mount. He's gonna post the left hand.

1613
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 2: I thought this was a nice transit. I don't get

1614
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: done like he.

1615
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: Posts the left hand extended away from his body and

1616
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: he takes it. The rule is that they teach you this.

1617
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: Derek will tell you this, so you're not accepting my gift.

1618
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: This is for his His move to the arm bar

1619
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: was swift, which I really appreciate. In fact, he almost overrotated.

1620
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: If you watch, look he's gonna almost overrotate. Watch how

1621
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: far he whips around like that? See that he almost

1622
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: whips everyone all the way around. But the reality is

1623
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: they teach you like this to make a Derek back

1624
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: me up, but to make your hands on top of

1625
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: each other and then you just take turns opening up

1626
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: doing arm bar from smount back and forth. It's a

1627
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: standard arm bar. Never let your elbows and jiu jitsu

1628
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: get away from your body, true or false, Derek, never

1629
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: let your albows get so look at it. Watch knowing

1630
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: that your elbow should never be separated. Watch this guy

1631
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hear me out, hear me out.

1632
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: Watch his left elbow. Watch how far away it is

1633
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: from the red Look look, look, look, it should never

1634
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: be that in a street fight.

1635
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 2: You should never do this, like trying to buy gifts

1636
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: from my wife.

1637
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 3: She's always looking back in the bottom of the box,

1638
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 3: so there's a seat to see where she can bring

1639
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 3: well back. This was for you. I I couldn't shown

1640
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 3: a nude guy getting headbutted in the balls, but this

1641
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 3: was for you.

1642
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: Luke. Well, I'm glad you didn't show me two guys.

1643
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: Well okay, I mean just keep going, all right.

1644
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 2: Why don't we go to some action here, Robin Catalan

1645
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: at one championship. Check out this head kick and watch

1646
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: the way this fellow falls.

1647
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 3: Look that's like me when I get into bed night

1648
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 3: and the dogs a room already there, and I got

1649
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 3: like a little sliver to dive into.

1650
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: Check this out.

1651
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 2: Somebody lost the contact, I got it.

1652
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: All Wow, it seems like he's belly flopping. Hey, By

1653
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: the way, do you see one said that? You know

1654
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: my favorite part about this this this drug free sport.

1655
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: That's what I love about it. I love drug free.

1656
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 3: You believe one when they say eighty five million, saw

1657
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 3: the one hundred.

1658
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't believe eight million, So I much less eighty

1659
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: five million.

1660
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: All right, heck of a finish there from uh nice.

1661
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: By the way, can I always tell you refereence, We'll

1662
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: tell you if the guy falls forward versus backwards, it's

1663
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: aways a little worse. All right?

1664
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 3: Hey, we we we searched the globe here for the bizarre,

1665
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,919
Speaker 3: the wild, the wacky and combat sports. I'm not into

1666
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 3: this combat sphere. We got coming up this slap testy Russia.

1667
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: Yes, look at this Marilynd Madson stand.

1668
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: Oh god, he ain't coming back from that.

1669
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: Look. He may deserve it for those times. So you

1670
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: ever seen LifeWay, the kind of gigboxing, the look at

1671
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: that slow. So the way it works in that is

1672
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: if memory serves like if you get knocked out in

1673
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: way TI, let's say one clean shot, you're out, the

1674
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: match is over and last way do they can wake you.

1675
01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: They wake up.

1676
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 3: You told me about that. I just saw this morning

1677
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 3: a video of that that maybe want to throw up.

1678
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 3: They wake the dude up after he gets not cold.

1679
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 3: But look at so did you see the fact? I know?

1680
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 3: Sell it?

1681
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: First of all, go in fat that dude is that

1682
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: his neck doesn't turn at all.

1683
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: Bro, look at that no cell and look at it.

1684
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: I mean that guy kind of had to come in

1685
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,479
Speaker 2: for those for that dude.

1686
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: Look at the size of the paw on that grizzly.

1687
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: BEARL see, I'm not into that, even bare knuckle fighting.

1688
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: It grossens me out after a while.

1689
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 3: Right.

1690
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: Oh wait, speaking of porn, uh, did you see that

1691
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: Honda you mentioned it? Did you did you see that

1692
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: there was a woman who has done porn who fought

1693
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: in Belatore. I think her name is like O'Ryan Starr

1694
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: or something. Did you see this?

1695
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 3: Now?

1696
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: So, I had never heard of her, and then I

1697
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: looked up the kind of porn that she has done.

1698
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm honestly not certain if she gets hurt more in

1699
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: that or in her nimea fights. I mean, you know what,

1700
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: in the name of war machine do we have to

1701
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: have this conversation? You know, I'm dead serious.

1702
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 3: Hey, let's roll on it's head kick season bellatore two

1703
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 3: thirty three over the weekend. John Jones protege Christin Edwards

1704
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 3: needed just sixteen seconds, wow, to knock this.

1705
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 2: Dude to the deep dark depths of hell.

1706
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: Luke, he looked, he looks solid. I mean he was.

1707
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: He wasn't fighting a guy who's all that great. But

1708
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: at three and now, you don't need to be. You

1709
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: need to be just getting rid.

1710
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: Not pass goal four foot or soul at the doorstep.

1711
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: Wow, those boo just times. It sets it up perfectly.

1712
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 2: Payment is due when services are rendered. Look at this

1713
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 2: right in the mouth.

1714
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's bad.

1715
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 2: By the way the body falls, you don't see it

1716
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 2: like that too.

1717
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: Oh does he testify in church?

1718
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 2: Let the body hit the floor there.

1719
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 1: Let's see does he testify? Let's see what the hands do?

1720
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: The hands fly up. I can't see from the highlights.

1721
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: God damn it. Yeah, Jay's getting in your way a lot.

1722
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, a little bit. He might have testified there.

1723
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 2: I think he was kind of doing the uh a

1724
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 2: little bit the macharrena.

1725
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: And we're sitting here mocking these poor bathrooms, and what

1726
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: do we do all the time.

1727
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to uh did you see chaos

1728
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 3: W fifty one over the weekend in Zagreb?

1729
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: The legend is bad.

1730
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 2: Forty two year old pooja.

1731
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: Look this looks like a bad tender date at the end.

1732
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: Look at this. Wow, he's bad. What you mean grinder? Grinder?

1733
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: I just met her.

1734
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 3: But look at the way he goes right to full

1735
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 3: mount there with the advertisement on his back. Hey, crow

1736
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 3: cop was there in attendance. Who Jah was back.

1737
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: We gotta get a freak fight for this guy. Can

1738
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: beltor sign.

1739
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: Him to Mace? Pujinowski is so fun. I love KSW

1740
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,799
Speaker 1: so much and I love uh this guy's actually pretty talented,

1741
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, for a big muscley dude. Yeah, he got

1742
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: a t K about this Kojune. I love Who's bodybuilder?

1743
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: I love drug free sport. I love drug free sport.

1744
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: This is drug free sports. Drug none of the sport

1745
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: you watch?

1746
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 2: Are you okay with the advertisement on the back of

1747
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 2: this Goldenpalace dot com?

1748
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, come on? Does feel a little

1749
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: low red?

1750
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels a little like twelve years ago, Like

1751
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 3: he's he should be better than that. But can he

1752
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 3: beat Jake Hager Tomorrow? Belatour to forty eight.

1753
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: No, but he make it fun.

1754
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 3: All right? You fired up for Belatoor tel Aviv this weekend?

1755
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 3: All right, hey, let's I always have a bonus for you.

1756
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 3: I know what people were watching this going, Hey, we

1757
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 3: didn't see any dongs, all right, but.

1758
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: I wanted to make a loom. Is this where you

1759
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: stand in the.

1760
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 2: Little mma elment?

1761
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 3: You? Did you ever hear of the naked ninja? No?

1762
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: How many cops do you think it takes to take

1763
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: down a naked ninja? Check this out New York City.

1764
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: They've apprehended this gentleman. PCP is one hell of a drug.

1765
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: Look at these moves. Cole's a beat, dude, Holy shit,

1766
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: he did an.

1767
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 3: He got away. He's loose, he's gone Luke. He may

1768
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 3: show up on stare.

1769
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: It's like naked, Why are you.

1770
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: Taking your pants down?

1771
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 3: Look at that?

1772
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: Where to go? Put it back? Here we go? They

1773
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: had him down to they had him here, They had him,

1774
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: but look at how it lose. Louise.

1775
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: Guy's backing up. They don't want to see that. They

1776
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 2: don't want to touch that.

1777
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: Dude. This guy is definitely a friend of yours. Look

1778
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: at that, Look at that?

1779
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 2: You roll out of trouble right there.

1780
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: He's poor cops, we've all been that guy before. Luke,

1781
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: what kind of drugs was he doing? You think, oh,

1782
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: straight PC because he's not you can't fight off. But

1783
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: he's got a jiu jitsu game right there, right he's

1784
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: doing he can roll.

1785
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 3: I mean, look, if he had a gee, I know

1786
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 3: where I'm grabbing when he's going no G like this,

1787
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 3: where would you grab?

1788
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: Where does he go? Where would you apprehend him with

1789
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: with no G?

1790
01:10:58,880 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1791
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: Necker way changes oil? What are you gonna do to

1792
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,560
Speaker 1: keep him down? Necker? Waste a limb, some kind of

1793
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: a limb, wrist? Go for the fifth one you want?

1794
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: Like an elephant walk? Dude? How is it we always

1795
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: end up talking about penises during your segment? I mean,

1796
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,719
Speaker 1: what are you doing to my career?

1797
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 3: All right? Hey, have you you seen that ship?

1798
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1799
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 3: No?

1800
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: Is are we done? We done?

1801
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 2: Watching dogs there? But shout out to that guy?

1802
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: Okay? All right? Last one not least odds and ends?

1803
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: What you go for odds and ends?

1804
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 3: This past Thursday in Japan, I don't know if you

1805
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 3: saw the finals of the World Boxing Super Series bantam

1806
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 3: Weight Championship Pound for pound ranked Naihua a new way.

1807
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 3: The monster was going in there against the legend future

1808
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer Nonito Donaire, and they after around and

1809
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 3: produced a fight of the Year contender. We've been saying

1810
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 3: that a lot this year in boxing. Kind of a

1811
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 3: sneaky good year in boxing. When you consider fights like right,

1812
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 3: fights like Spence.

1813
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: Porter over delivered.

1814
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 3: You had Triple G Dervinchenko, which is a fun Brontus.

1815
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 3: Like every other week we're going, that's a fight of

1816
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 3: the Year contender. This this one certainly was and it

1817
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 3: may end up getting my vote because of the drama

1818
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 3: involved don There's a week from his thirty seventh birthday.

1819
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: We all thought he might get.

1820
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 3: Handled and hurt there because the Japanese Monster in a

1821
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 3: way has been rolling through division by division just knocking

1822
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 3: suckers out.

1823
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: What happened.

1824
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 3: He eats a legendary left hook from Donair in round two.

1825
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 3: They find out he broke his orbitable and bad cut,

1826
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 3: and he goes through that fight and it's a war.

1827
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 3: Donair gets knocked down with a body shot in round eleven,

1828
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 3: shades of our Torogatti in the first Mickey Ward fight.

1829
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 2: No business getting up from that.

1830
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 3: You can see the anger and the anguish and he

1831
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 3: finished that fight, and we love Luke in combat sports

1832
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 3: when an old warrior is willing to pour out that

1833
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: jug one more time and go out in a shield.

1834
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: And this was beyond a moral victory for Nonito Donawer,

1835
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: like he's.

1836
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 3: Gonna go in the Hall of Fame. He's great, he's

1837
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 3: a multi division champion. But this is one of those

1838
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 3: where it's like, could your best win be lost? Because

1839
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 3: this was one of those just inspirational type of performances.

1840
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 3: And in the end, a New Way is still that dude,

1841
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 3: because you want to see a pomper pound rank guy

1842
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 3: who's been blowing people away be forced to show you

1843
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 3: how great he can be. Once he realized that his

1844
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 3: power wasn't gonna move Donair, who had fought two divisions

1845
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 3: north in recent years a featherweight and sort of had

1846
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 3: the size advantage, we got to see what a New

1847
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 3: A has really made up from the standpoint of speed

1848
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 3: boxing IQ.

1849
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: He raised his profile.

1850
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 3: In the end, the WBSS, which has been giving us gold,

1851
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 3: kind of produced another memorable moment. And if you didn't

1852
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 3: see that fight, check out his own and watch it

1853
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 3: because I got the feels I was really moved by it.

1854
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: And I love the Ali Trophy. I think it looks

1855
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: really cool and there's a little story about that at

1856
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: the end there too. Donair had promised his kids that

1857
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: he would show them he would bring them home the

1858
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: Ali Trophy, but he didn't win, so he wasn't given

1859
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: it to him. So he asked in a way if

1860
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: he could borrow it to show his kids in a

1861
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 1: way allowed him for one night, for one night, so

1862
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 1: he could show it to his kids as not as

1863
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: something that dad had brought home, but as a matter

1864
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 1: of what it means to persevere and also what an

1865
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: incredible sign of sportsmanship. So, you know, while Dezone did

1866
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: show Logan paul Ksi and that got the most headlines,

1867
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: they also showed the best boxing fight maybe of the year.

1868
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: Just at like seven thirty in the morning too.

1869
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: It was it was great, you're a real boxing fan,

1870
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: you'll find the gym.

1871
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 2: By the way, we thought anew he might walk through him,

1872
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: like in one round.

1873
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: I thought to be honest when I when they announced

1874
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: the fight, and I know it was a bit of

1875
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: a tournament, but I was like, I thought Darnaire was

1876
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: kind of kind of washed, to be honest, with you.

1877
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: I thought anyway, I thought it was gonna blow him away.

1878
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: He didn't any by the way, a new way.

1879
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry dun Air to get to the finals of

1880
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:16,799
Speaker 2: that tournament.

1881
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 3: Like his first opponent got injured, second appoint it got hurt,

1882
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 3: like it was just sort of this like almost luck.

1883
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then in a way, it was

1884
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: just blowing through all the real challengers. So incredible, incredible

1885
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: moment for the sport of boxing. There, last, but not least,

1886
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: I'll go with Sage north Cut getting out there and

1887
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: admitting since having his face broken against Cosmo Ala Chandre

1888
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: and that terrible fight he had back in May for

1889
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 1: his I think was his one debut, which required an

1890
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: eight or nine hour surgery to repair everything, the feeling

1891
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: is still coming back into his face. He's not trained

1892
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: since then. He's apparently hit the the maybe hit the

1893
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: mits a little bit. He's really been lifting the weights,

1894
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: stood at the abs if you still got the abs,

1895
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: but that is it. He has not been able to train.

1896
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: You know, this is amazing. He's gonna go back to

1897
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: one fifty five where he said he's undefeated, rather than

1898
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: fighting a one to seventy which ended up being one

1899
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: eighty five. Now, alas Chandre has always always been about

1900
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: a one to seventy ish fighter in his career as well.

1901
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: But the point being is, like we solved weight cutting. Well,

1902
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: whatever weight policy you had got him super hurt Number one,

1903
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: number two. I certainly hope that this is not the case,

1904
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: but you really wonder, like is he going to fight again,

1905
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: and if so, how much long term damage can he

1906
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: really take? Given how severe frankly all of this was.

1907
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: It was not effective matchmaking by one even a little bit. Now.

1908
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: Later on, Sage had bristled at the idea from Dana

1909
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: White that he should retire. I don't know that that's

1910
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: right either. I don't know that that's wrong too.

1911
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 2: He got fed up, like his face was like nerve ending.

1912
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: I give all the credit in the world to Sage

1913
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: for wanting to come back and say I want to

1914
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 1: I want to get you back on the horse and

1915
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: get back to my natural weight class. Fair enough did

1916
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: the guy's a warrior, But that was a really, really,

1917
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: really bad knockout. You have to be very careful with

1918
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: some of these prospects. In the end, I thought the

1919
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: UFC match made for him pretty well, you know, I

1920
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: guess one thought more was going to happen for him

1921
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: in that contest, but it didn't. So we wish the best.

1922
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: We hope everything works out, but that is a situation

1923
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: to monitor, to be quite Shout out.

1924
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 3: To King ol Lawall who got knocked out in his

1925
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 3: final fight for BELTI forgeting knocked out.

1926
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: A big fan of.

1927
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 3: Him as a fighter in person over the years, to

1928
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 3: see him go out in his own terms, and then

1929
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 3: the next day signed with Major League Wrestling and a

1930
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 3: peer and I really yeah and appear in a match

1931
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 3: for them. He's He's used to do a little cup

1932
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 3: of coffee with TNA Impact Wrestling in the past, so

1933
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 3: he's doing what he wants. He's a great trainer at

1934
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 3: ATT great dude, So he had a fun career.

1935
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: He did a fun career. Folks who just don't understand

1936
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: what he meant when he was flying through sing Gooku

1937
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: the way he does. He was the most exciting and

1938
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: electrifying prospect that sort of light heavyweight early and then

1939
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: middleweight for a time, and there was times where people

1940
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: thought like how Mo would do against John Jones and

1941
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: do the injuries just complete his He had an artificial hip.

1942
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: He has just been through the ring. It's a victory

1943
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: of from Mark Kerr of all people. Yeah, it was

1944
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: funny he mentioned he whoever the guy was that beat him.

1945
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: He was like, look, man, when I beat Travis View.

1946
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: I covered Travis View's fight in two thousand and seven

1947
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: in Washington, DC. But he's like, when I beat Travis View,

1948
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: it was this passing of the torch, and now this

1949
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: guy gets it, like he sort of understood his place

1950
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: in the ecosystem of fighting, and so he's always been

1951
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,919
Speaker 1: smart about it. He's always been clever. He always understood

1952
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,679
Speaker 1: the game. And certainly I don't care for for wrestling,

1953
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: but I hope he has a phenomenal career.

1954
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 3: Whenever that takes you and quickly it is you have

1955
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 3: some spolo over the week? How do you pronounce that

1956
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 3: in your hipstock?

1957
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I don't know, I don't know

1958
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 1: how that's pronounced. Wow. So you have some Colombian you

1959
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: know it's a different country, Okay, wow? Yeah, how do

1960
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: you pronounce oslo? I don't know? It's in Norway.

1961
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 3: Johnny Blockowitz is back Jan Blohowitz. Does he get a

1962
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 3: title shot if he blows away Jock.

1963
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 1: Ray I think the reys thing is the one that's cooking.

1964
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be that way. By the way,

1965
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: let's not forget one more time, one more quick plug.

1966
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Speaker 1: The Sunny Listing documentary will be Friday, nine am, Paraya.

1967
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 1: He has seen it. I cannot wait to see it

1968
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 1: on Friday night. If you want to try Showtime, don't

1969
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: say we don't do nothing for you. Look at the

1970
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Speaker 1: code right there combat. You can try it free for

1971
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: thirty days, a trial for right there. You can check

1972
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: it out. You got to use the promo code by

1973
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: the let's see end of this year, the thirty first

1974
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: get it out there. Use the promo code Combat. You

1975
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: can go to showtime dot com slash try thirty. It's

1976
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Speaker 1: right there for you. Donks three well, well thirty whatever

1977
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: it is. I can't reasoning days, thirty days free, thirty days.

1978
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 2: Best month of your life. You don't want to miss that.

1979
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 2: You want to close by throwing out a disc track

1980
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: at all of our competitors. You want to hit them up.

1981
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: We don't have competitors, don't want of.

1982
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 2: You all got sickle cell or something?

1983
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: Right? All right?

1984
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess I was alone in the ninety Sorry,

1985
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 2: had a good run.

1986
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: All right. Oh, aren't you doing the whole hit them

1987
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: up thing?

1988
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

1989
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: We tried, but well we are in any w jurors

1990
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: where plenty of murders occurs. I do know that.

1991
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, did make that reference.

1992
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Speaker 1: Okay, one more time, one more time, very quickly, like

1993
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Speaker 1: the video, subscribe to the channel. Tell folks about this.

1994
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: The more you subscribe, the more this show comes to life.

1995
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Speaker 1: Trust me when I tell you that, So please subscribe.

1996
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Speaker 1: Help us hit our unofficial, unofficial goal of thirty k

1997
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Speaker 1: by January one. Would love for us. You to help

1998
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: us put us over the hump. There would be kind

1999
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: of cool. Yeah, all right, there's our handles. You can

2000
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Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter and or Insta and you can

2001
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: do the same for Brian Campbell. We both have stupid

2002
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: names that don't cohere with one another across social media platform,

2003
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: so we're very smart.

2004
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got anything coming up personal this weekend?

2005
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna do anything good? I barely just got through

2006
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: the last one. All right, I don't know.

2007
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 2: No, you have any more kids?

2008
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: Is that too personal?

2009
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: Ask in front of thousands of people?

2010
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: Probably not. Probably just have the one. I might a

2011
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: doc one that's probably real. That's real. Yeah, that's real right.

2012
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes all right. For Brian Campbell,

2013
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 1: I am Luke Thomas. Thank you guys so much for

2014
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: watching enjoy the fights this upcoming weekend. We'll be back

2015
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: in about a weekend. Until then, may all of your

2016
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:36,759
Speaker 1: gains be loyal

2017
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 2: Passsssssssssssssssssssssssssss