Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with
Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Spider Man Brand New Day is
Speaker 1: easily one of the most anticipated movies of the year,
Speaker 1: and today I have a guest son who's been pretty
Speaker 1: tight lipped about anything related to this movie and his role.
Speaker 1: And let me be clear, this is not a spoiler
Speaker 1: Phil conversation, So you can feel free to listen to
Speaker 1: this ahead of the release of the film, or if
Speaker 1: you've watched the movie, you're gonna really enjoy this. The
Speaker 1: conversation is a celebration, a celebration of my guests, the
Speaker 1: brilliant Michael Mando, who is stepping into the role of
Speaker 1: a villain after appearing in the MCU almost a decade ago.
Speaker 1: Can you believe that? And we're going to be hearing
Speaker 1: from him what it's like being on a Spider Man set,
Speaker 1: what it's like working with Tom Holland and playing a villain,
Speaker 1: and did he have anxiety and fear about playing a villain,
Speaker 1: and what his personal fan favorite things in the MCU are.
Speaker 1: And you know, we ask some some fun questions. He
Speaker 1: doesn't reveal anything, don't worry, but we get a little
Speaker 1: insight into his mind. So my MCU my Spider Man
Speaker 1: fans are love this conversation, and we're also celebrating some
Speaker 1: other great work of Michael's and hearing some inspiring words
Speaker 1: that man, they really stayed with me since our chat.
Speaker 1: So let's see if today we can get Michael to
Speaker 1: say something that he has never said before. Michael Mando,
Speaker 1: how are you, my man? Oh, I'm psyched to have you.
Speaker 1: You have a lot going on. I'm surprised we caught
Speaker 1: youa it's like catch you if you can.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Nice to be here,
Speaker 2: Nice to be in New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like New York.
Speaker 2: I love New York. Every time I'm in New York,
Speaker 2: it's like a new city sick and every time, depending
Speaker 2: where I'm staying at and I look at New York,
Speaker 2: it's like looking at a new city. It's and depending
Speaker 2: what season you're in, yeah, it also feels different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love New York. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Well we're happy to have you. Welcome to the city.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Ah God, we have a lot to get into. I'm
Speaker 1: going to dive right in because we are so psyched
Speaker 1: for Spider Man. I mean, nine years ago, let me
Speaker 1: set the stage. Nine years ago, we were introduced to
Speaker 1: your character Scorpion right in Spider Man Homecoming, and it
Speaker 1: was a little glimpse of him in that mid credit tease, right,
Speaker 1: we saw a little piece of him. Have you been
Speaker 1: waiting for this moment all these years later?
Speaker 2: You know? It's funny. I didn't think I was going
Speaker 2: to come back, So it honestly didn't cross my mind.
Speaker 2: I mean, at the beginning, you kind of think about
Speaker 2: it and you go, maybe it will and then at
Speaker 2: some point you just stop thinking about it. When they
Speaker 2: called me back, we got a couple of meetings and
Speaker 2: I knew, you know, this is arguably going to be
Speaker 2: one of the biggest films of all time, at least
Speaker 2: at the box office, and it's an amazing team and
Speaker 2: I love Tom Holland and destined director, and it was
Speaker 2: just exciting. I think there's a sense of gratitude, You're like, Wow,
Speaker 2: I get to go back on this gigantic stage. But
Speaker 2: then there's also with that sense of gratitude a sense
Speaker 2: of responsibility where you go, all right, this is a
Speaker 2: huge character. I need to make sure that we get
Speaker 2: it right, you know what I mean. So there's both
Speaker 2: of those axles happening at the same time.
Speaker 1: So you really had no idea back then that one
Speaker 1: day you would be a key villain in a future movie. Like,
Speaker 1: no one clued you in, no one had a conversation
Speaker 1: with you back then. It was just kind of this
Speaker 1: little cliffhanger and then nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that's the way the industry works, you know, like,
Speaker 2: you know you could do it, you do your thing.
Speaker 2: I mean it was interesting because I had a scene
Speaker 2: in the middle of that film that was cut in
Speaker 2: the middle of Homecoming, So you know, this is how
Speaker 2: the industry works. It's you kind of get used to
Speaker 2: it as an actor, and you kind of say to yourself,
Speaker 2: you know this. You trust these people who are running
Speaker 2: these amazing franchises that they know what they're doing and
Speaker 2: that they're going to do what's best for the franchises.
Speaker 2: And your job is to serve in any bait in
Speaker 2: any way you can, as the actor, as the character
Speaker 2: that you both agree to collaborate on. And in that
Speaker 2: particular case, you know, it was just love and I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, that's fine, let's let it go, let's
Speaker 2: move on. And but I'll tell you I was very
Speaker 2: grateful to get the call, and they're just as pleasant
Speaker 2: as ever. And the vibe on that movie was really awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So the scene that was cut, well, first
Speaker 1: of all, do you remember what that scene was?
Speaker 2: I remember getting I don't even know if I should
Speaker 2: be I feel like I'm talking maybe too candidly. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, it's not it's not a bad thing.
Speaker 2: I mean I received a really nice handwritten letter from
Speaker 2: somebody on high up saying how much they liked the scene,
Speaker 2: and I was really excited for it. And I remember
Speaker 2: bringing my father to the premiere.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that scene came and went and I was like,
Speaker 1: wait because you didn't know it was cut.
Speaker 2: And then and then though, the credit scene that was
Speaker 2: in the movie was actually an ad R scene, so
Speaker 2: meaning none of the dialogue was original because we were
Speaker 2: shot it in the prison in Atlanta, and the prison
Speaker 2: the people who were the I don't know what the
Speaker 2: right word to say, but the people who were jailed
Speaker 2: there were very loud, you know, they were like yelling
Speaker 2: and fighting and stuff. So we had to re record.
Speaker 2: So I didn't really, you know, particularly feel very confident
Speaker 2: about that scene because I said, you know, it's all
Speaker 2: a dr it's none of it is the original audio.
Speaker 2: So as an actor you kind of generally like it
Speaker 2: to be the original audio because that's when you had
Speaker 2: your body into it and you know, the atmosphere and
Speaker 2: everything was right. Doesn't mean you can't do it better
Speaker 2: in an ADR session, but you know, so we try
Speaker 2: to make it as well as we can. But then
Speaker 2: that was a lesson when you go, oh wow, that
Speaker 2: was like a moment, alerting moment for me as an actor.
Speaker 2: And I think the trick is you just take it
Speaker 2: in strides, you take it in love, and you say,
Speaker 2: you know, what's meant to be is meant to be,
Speaker 2: and it's okay.
Speaker 1: You know, man, now I'm dying to know what that
Speaker 1: scene was.
Speaker 2: It was a scene in the It was a scene
Speaker 2: in the middle, in the on the ferry, on the
Speaker 2: in the boat. I mean, I was the scene was there.
Speaker 2: It's just it was like cut to basically almost like
Speaker 2: a you know, very short, and you realize that's just
Speaker 2: the nature of the industry, you know. And I work
Speaker 2: on music sometimes I do it as a hobby and
Speaker 2: you bring in session musicians and they'll do like an
Speaker 2: amazing guitar lick and you'll realize it doesn't fit in
Speaker 2: the film Man, and that's so, and it doesn't fit
Speaker 2: in the song, and you cut it and you realize,
Speaker 2: all right, that's don't any of that personal.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah you can. I mean it's it's it's they
Speaker 1: got to do what they have to do to tell
Speaker 1: the story they need to tell, right.
Speaker 2: And clearly they're doing a great job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, one hundred percent. It's so wild, though,
Speaker 1: what a journey from from that first you know, Glimpse
Speaker 1: into Scorpion all those years ago, and then you see
Speaker 1: all these other movies coming out from then to now
Speaker 1: in the Spider Man franchise, like I would be like, hey,
Speaker 1: am I coming back?
Speaker 2: Did you forget it at the beginning? I think you
Speaker 2: think about it. You know, sometimes your reps will reach out,
Speaker 2: But you know, I I'm really good. I moved around
Speaker 2: so much in my life. I traveled a lot before
Speaker 2: the age of like twenty five, and lived in so
Speaker 2: many different places. I think I've learned to let go.
Speaker 2: I mean, in some things it's easy and some things
Speaker 2: it's hard. Something's personal emotionally, sometimes it's hard to let go.
Speaker 2: But in like the business side of things I've learned
Speaker 2: to like, all right, this isn't this isn't an open door.
Speaker 2: Go somewhere else. There's not. I think my advice to
Speaker 2: actors is especially younger actors, is it's it's not personal.
Speaker 2: You know, none of that is personal. It's all you know.
Speaker 2: There's this Sometimes you could be so good at something
Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean that because they said no in
Speaker 2: an audition or whatever, it is that you're not great
Speaker 2: and that you were that you're wrong thinking you nailed it.
Speaker 2: So that's that's not the way I think life works.
Speaker 2: It's not a no is not always means no you're
Speaker 2: not good enough. Yeah, sometimes it's just not the right
Speaker 2: time for you.
Speaker 1: That's a good reminder too, because you know it's life too.
Speaker 1: You can't control why things happen, and you can't sit
Speaker 1: there spiraling about it either because you don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you don't know. But easier said
Speaker 1: than that percent We've all been there. I've spiraled a
Speaker 1: million times in my life. You know what happens. But
Speaker 1: what's your trick?
Speaker 2: What do you do when you when you spiral, you
Speaker 2: hear that little demon voice in your head that starts
Speaker 2: going like whatever, whatever it is that it says, how
Speaker 2: do you get yourself back?
Speaker 1: I try, And this is gonna sound really corny, but
Speaker 1: I try as hard as I can to root myself
Speaker 1: in what I'm great for in the moment. Yeah, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this might not be going the way I want, but
Speaker 1: this is also happening at the same time, and wow,
Speaker 1: how lucky I am to have that, and like, thank
Speaker 1: you for allowing me to have that at least, And yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll figure that piece out when we need to. So yeah,
Speaker 1: just kind of checking myself too. You know, it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's not like you said, we all do it. It's
Speaker 1: not easy. But you're supposed to be where you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be, and you're supposed to be a damn villain
Speaker 1: right now. Man, You're supposed to be a villain in
Speaker 1: the end to see you, I mean, that's like a
Speaker 1: golden role that artists dream of playing, and here you
Speaker 1: are doing it. And with that comes pressure and a
Speaker 1: lot of expectation. Do you let that freak you out?
Speaker 1: Or has that freak you out? When you were bringing
Speaker 1: that character to life?
Speaker 2: I remember I was in London, we were shooting Spider Man.
Speaker 2: We had just finished shooting that scene in the trailer,
Speaker 2: you know where I'm fighting Spider Man in a trailer
Speaker 2: that came out and I saw the Scorpion character standing
Speaker 2: on top of me on my bed and the room
Speaker 2: was on fire. And I woke up and I was petrified,
Speaker 2: and I said, what the hell? How can I be
Speaker 2: afraid of something? I'm a character that I'm playing. So
Speaker 2: that was, you know, I don't know if that was
Speaker 2: an insight into what was happening in my subconscious, but
Speaker 2: there is an element of pressure that you bury, I
Speaker 2: guess sometime and you say to yourself, all right, all
Speaker 2: I can do is my best and take it one
Speaker 2: step out of time. It's like a basketball player. You've
Speaker 2: got the you know, you've got the rim, and it's
Speaker 2: you know, fourth quarter, two seconds left, you make the
Speaker 2: shot and you win the championship. Yeah you don't. Everyone's
Speaker 2: going to know it's you. You can't be thinking about that.
Speaker 2: You've got to clear your mind and just think about
Speaker 2: the love of the game, the love of what you do,
Speaker 2: and just let it go. Yeah, you know, and trust
Speaker 2: and let it go, Just trust that it's all there.
Speaker 1: So is there something you absolutely had to get right?
Speaker 1: In bringing this role to life, where you're like, I
Speaker 1: gotta nail this part of it.
Speaker 2: All of it, man. But I put that pressure on
Speaker 2: me with everything I do. I don't take anything. You know,
Speaker 2: if I did a short film in between movies last
Speaker 2: year and it was a it's called Boyfighter. It's on Hulu,
Speaker 2: and I literally got paid like one dollar for it.
Speaker 2: I literally did it for free.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I just thought it's a great script, and I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, I like this character, and I approached it
Speaker 2: like it was, you know, the biggest movie in the world,
Speaker 2: and I gave everything I had to it. So the
Speaker 2: pressure I'm used to putting that pressure on myself no
Speaker 2: matter what I do, healthy amount of pressure, because going
Speaker 2: into a character is a skill. That's kind of what
Speaker 2: we're focusing on now. But when I say healthy pressure,
Speaker 2: you also got to learn to come out. And that's
Speaker 2: a skill. Like you know, you and I are doing
Speaker 2: this interview now, when we cut, you got to learn
Speaker 2: to just go back to normal, go back to life. Knowing,
Speaker 2: for example, people are going to see this interview and
Speaker 2: maybe judge you on it or whatever. You still got
Speaker 2: to go back to normal, realize this is done now,
Speaker 2: it's like Michael the human being going on operate. What
Speaker 2: am I going to have for lunch? And call your
Speaker 2: loved ones and think about your cat or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I always say that, like, you can't have
Speaker 1: a real rich life if your whole identity is just
Speaker 1: wrapped up on the work you're doing. And it's a
Speaker 1: big piece of what we do. Obviously it's a very
Speaker 1: different kind of business we're in. But you got to
Speaker 1: have that balance. You got to go turn it off sometimes.
Speaker 2: You got to do it all the time. Yeah, you guys,
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, you have to do it
Speaker 2: every time. Yeah, I think or else it's it really
Speaker 2: catches up to you. It's unhealthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a.
Speaker 2: Young actor, I didn't know how to turn it off
Speaker 2: because you because you're you're literally affecting your body. You know,
Speaker 2: Like someone says to you, how is your day right
Speaker 2: at work as an actor and you say it was amazing,
Speaker 2: and you said, what did you do? Well? I killed
Speaker 2: somebody and then I had sex with someone in the hallway,
Speaker 2: and then it got into a car crash, and then
Speaker 2: I yelled at someone and someone yelled back at me.
Speaker 2: And those are all your scenes right, and your body
Speaker 2: is affected because you're actually yelling and you're actually falling
Speaker 2: in mind you it's all fake obviously, but your body
Speaker 2: is exercising some muscles. So was that really a good
Speaker 2: day for anyone else in the world? It would have
Speaker 2: been a horrible day. And you got your body's got
Speaker 2: to learn to just you know, different, reset as quickly
Speaker 2: as it can.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, especially playing a darker role or a
Speaker 1: villain or you know, something that's not who you are
Speaker 1: day to day, which I think is a really interesting
Speaker 1: job that you have and a piece of what you
Speaker 1: do which is so fascinating. You earlier lit up when
Speaker 1: you brought up your boy, Tom Holland like your whole face.
Speaker 2: Everybody loves Tom.
Speaker 1: He's a great I just saw him. I was covering
Speaker 1: the carpet for the Odyssey for a show I work
Speaker 1: on called Extra and he's just like the nicest human
Speaker 1: in the world. So how was it getting to see
Speaker 1: him bring this iconic role of life and transform into
Speaker 1: him up close and personal.
Speaker 2: He's great. I met him ten years ago. And his
Speaker 2: partner is also grades and Die is also great, and
Speaker 2: the director Destin is also It's a really good group.
Speaker 2: Look you look at Tom and you can't help but
Speaker 2: respect and admire and love what he's done for himself.
Speaker 2: He's created a beautiful career in a beautiful life, and
Speaker 2: I think, you know, anyone who wants to see good
Speaker 2: in the world wants to see more of that, especially
Speaker 2: in younger people, and go like, yes, that's a good example.
Speaker 2: There there you go. You know, his life is firing
Speaker 2: family man. His family's around, doing good at work, helping everybody,
Speaker 2: giving his beautiful opinion on on the inside of the scenes,
Speaker 2: and yen, you know his parents are there watching with
Speaker 2: his dog. So it's like it's like, yes, more more
Speaker 2: of that in the world, for sure.
Speaker 1: We want the good guys to win.
Speaker 2: More of that. Yes, more more people like that for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's it like doing a fight scene together? Are you
Speaker 1: two just sewing the zone? Do you break? Do you laugh?
Speaker 1: Do you kick the shit out of each other? And
Speaker 1: then go grab a beer? I mean, what is it like?
Speaker 2: I think? I think? I mean, you know, you do
Speaker 2: we tell, you know, people talk between takes and stuff,
Speaker 2: But I think in this particular case, you're my mind.
Speaker 2: I always thinking about the scene and like, like, how
Speaker 2: do we get to the other point and what to
Speaker 2: do there. So you're kind of it's almost like a
Speaker 2: fixed up putting together a puzzle this, you know, especially
Speaker 2: because it's kind of although I've been a little bit
Speaker 2: in the other one, it's kind of like a new
Speaker 2: genre for me, those kinds of scenes. Yeah, so my
Speaker 2: mind was trying to figure out a little bit, you know,
Speaker 2: how how do I get to this point and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But it's great. Sometimes you pinch yourself and
Speaker 2: you look around and you go, wow, this is the
Speaker 2: iconic you know, Pinewood Studio theater in London where they
Speaker 2: shot like all these incredible movies, And here you are
Speaker 2: on one of the biggest movies in the world, and
Speaker 2: you're surrounded by people who are at the top of
Speaker 2: their game, and you're going, this is pretty cool. I'm
Speaker 2: lucky to be here. I'm grateful to be here, and
Speaker 2: I'll do everything I can. Speaking of what happens, I
Speaker 2: saw a shooting Star, I saw Double Rainbow. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: look up and you see like a shooting Star and
Speaker 2: studio and you go, what.
Speaker 1: Can't this is my life? Yeah, here on set, I mean,
Speaker 1: the biggest franchises in the world. I feel like i'd
Speaker 1: be bawling, like walking on that side.
Speaker 2: You're very grateful. Like I said, it's two it's like
Speaker 2: two emotions. It's like gratitude and responsibility. If I think
Speaker 2: you need to just be like all right, I'm still
Speaker 2: here to do a job, and I hope I do
Speaker 2: it as well as I can. I will do it
Speaker 2: as well as I can. I hope it's good enough,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, And aside from the emotions,
Speaker 1: you have to bring in all of that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a physical role. I mean you're physically very active
Speaker 1: in this. Did you feel like you were ready for it?
Speaker 1: Did you get injured? Like how do you keep your body?
Speaker 2: Yeah? When you have to. I mean the character moves
Speaker 2: in a lot of like side movements. He does a
Speaker 2: lot of very like snappy side movements. And I quickly realized,
Speaker 2: all right, I need to work out for that particular movement.
Speaker 2: So I started. They had a great trainer there and
Speaker 2: she was helping us, helping me with those movements, helping
Speaker 2: me stretch before and after a couple of times. It's
Speaker 2: especially like later into the night, your back would cramp
Speaker 2: up and you need like the the people from like
Speaker 2: the medics to come and like press it down and
Speaker 2: open it up and stuff because your back will just spasm.
Speaker 2: But it's worth it. It's I love that stuff and
Speaker 2: I try to do as much of the stunts as
Speaker 2: I could. But there are some of those stunts that
Speaker 2: are like, like I couldn't do it. It's like you're
Speaker 2: flying into a car and it's like full speed. And
Speaker 2: those stunt guys, I mean, they they really take it,
Speaker 2: and I have so much respect for them. I see
Speaker 2: them and you look at them and you go, you okay,
Speaker 2: and they just nod and you go that must hurt.
Speaker 2: And they do it again like a time. So respect
Speaker 2: to the stunts.
Speaker 1: Respects a hard job, and they do it. Dan.
Speaker 2: I mean, Tom does a lot of his stunts too.
Speaker 2: He does He does a lot of the acrobatic stuff
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. I'm referring for my particular case,
Speaker 2: I'm referring mostly to the hits. Those are like hard
Speaker 2: to do it. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm like sitting here feeling so proud of you for
Speaker 1: taking on this role because it's such a big deal. Right,
Speaker 1: Like I said, we've been waiting for almost a decade
Speaker 1: for your portrayal of Scorpion, so it seems like you
Speaker 1: think we'll be pretty happy with it.
Speaker 2: What do I think if people will be happy with it?
Speaker 2: I can tell you I give my ale. You know,
Speaker 2: I think it's no longer in my hands. I did
Speaker 2: everything I could. I'm proud of what I did. But
Speaker 2: you know, you got to let it go, and you
Speaker 2: just get it's no longer mine, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like it's it's in the editors, it's in the directors
Speaker 2: in marvels, it's in the audience's hands. It belongs to
Speaker 2: the world now, and you just got to like let
Speaker 2: it go and just say, you know, I hope it
Speaker 2: works out.
Speaker 1: Does it feel like a fraternity being in an MCU movie,
Speaker 1: like between like meeting other actors who play superheroes or villains, Like,
Speaker 1: do you guys link up? Do you talk? Do you
Speaker 1: have a forever bond because you're in this world together?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, there's dinners and it's like only villains, and
Speaker 2: then there's just only hero No. Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 2: you try to build a friendship and a fraternity everywhere
Speaker 2: you can. I think community is super important, and you
Speaker 2: try to do it anywhere you can, you know. I
Speaker 2: remember on Spider Man a lot of the cast members
Speaker 2: would meet up and have cigars or go for a drink,
Speaker 2: or there's a camaraderie because you all know what's going
Speaker 2: on and the pressure that you're under, but also the
Speaker 2: blessing that you're under. Yeah, and it's kind of nice
Speaker 2: to share that because the other person gets it, especially
Speaker 2: if it's like a first time or whatever. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's sick man to kind of put a
Speaker 1: pin in this portion of the conversation. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of speculation out there that your scorpion is going to
Speaker 1: eventually turn into venom? Have you heard those rumors?
Speaker 2: I know that that's what happens in the commence, So.
Speaker 1: A lot of people wondering comment on that.
Speaker 2: I can't comment on anything. Okay, I think I think
Speaker 2: Marvel would have me. Yeah, I can't comment on anything.
Speaker 2: I can tell you know, this character has so much potential.
Speaker 2: It was one of the reasons when they when it
Speaker 2: was offered to me, I was really excited to play
Speaker 2: Mac Gargan. And I remember, this is kind of crazy,
Speaker 2: but I had two incidents when you bring up venom.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, they had this in art school.
Speaker 2: We had to cut up these kind of like magazines
Speaker 2: and do a collage. I was like maybe eleven years
Speaker 2: old and I had Spider Man and mac Gargan's rendition
Speaker 2: of Venom, and I remember as a kid, I couldn't
Speaker 2: help but gravitate towards the Venom character. It's like the
Speaker 2: way his tongue, the mac Gargan, you know, one with
Speaker 2: the big tongue and everything. And then the second thing
Speaker 2: like that happened when I remember when I first came
Speaker 2: to La first time in my life. I was like
Speaker 2: thirty four thirty five, first time I've ever been to La.
Speaker 2: I walked into a store and I bought a Venom hoodie.
Speaker 2: So it when when they offered me the role, I
Speaker 2: looked it up and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's the you know, so there's there's like little winks
Speaker 2: like that where the universe kind of goes maybe someone's watching,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Maybe this isn't all a coincidence. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, you take it with a great assault.
Speaker 2: But since we are speaking about fantasy worlds, it's kind
Speaker 2: of nice to think maybe there's a little bit of
Speaker 2: magic to life.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, man, you know, it beats the alternative
Speaker 1: you know, I rather think like that than not. That's awesome.
Speaker 2: What's the word when someone is thinks the world is
Speaker 2: conspiring for you know, paranoia when.
Speaker 1: You're like almost like a yeah, paranoia or like conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: That is when you think the world is conspiring for you.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have ever heard of that word.
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those. I wish I was one
Speaker 2: of those people that thought everything is conspiring for me, right,
Speaker 2: But there's a word for that, do you know.
Speaker 1: It's Stephanie like conspiring for it. It's almost like like
Speaker 1: like not manifesting, but like no, no, no, when it's positive,
Speaker 1: it's like a positive.
Speaker 2: It's the opposite of the paranoid. It's when you think
Speaker 2: like everything's happening.
Speaker 1: For your good, like everything happens for a well no,
Speaker 1: not for a reason for good. Right, So there're gonna think,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think that there is the like two am
Speaker 1: on gonna wake up and be like, ship, I wish
Speaker 1: I had it? Well, that's that's first of all. I
Speaker 1: love those stories because, yeah, I'm with you. I believe
Speaker 1: there's a little magic in the world and it was
Speaker 1: almost meant to be this way. So that's awesome. You're
Speaker 1: also one of the very few actors I can't think
Speaker 1: of many who are part of the m c U
Speaker 1: and the DC world. Yeah, I mean, that's insane. You're
Speaker 1: voicing Bane and that's coming out later this year.
Speaker 2: It's coming out in August. I think I can say that.
Speaker 2: I hope I can say that. That's a trilogy film,
Speaker 2: rated R animation film, and man, that was like a
Speaker 2: real childhood geek moment for me. Really, dude, I've you know,
Speaker 2: haven't had those moments a lot in my career where
Speaker 2: I just like, I was like wow, Actually that's not true.
Speaker 2: I think, let me rephrase it. I've had those moments
Speaker 2: before in my career, but they're so rare where you
Speaker 2: kind of like you. When I was on the first
Speaker 2: time on Better Call Saul was a moment where I
Speaker 2: go wow. When far Cry three hit and I was
Speaker 2: playing vas and Farkry three, I was like wow. Spider
Speaker 2: Man set and then Bain is another one of those moments,
Speaker 2: and when I saw that's what I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: there's like four or five of them. You get where
Speaker 2: you go, I can't believe. And now I'm in Gundam, right,
Speaker 2: that's another moment. Yeah, where you go, where you go? Wow,
Speaker 2: this is unreal. And when I saw myself as Baine
Speaker 2: fighting Batman in the cartoon in an R rated version,
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, this is crazy. That was really fun,
Speaker 2: really really fun.
Speaker 1: And he's I mean he's a badass. Like to play
Speaker 1: another bad ass.
Speaker 2: Ban is awesome. I mean it's interesting because in that
Speaker 2: in that rendition he outsmarts Batman. So there's like a
Speaker 2: trilogy and it gets really dark, and it was a
Speaker 2: great experience. Man. They they ended up we had so
Speaker 2: much fun in the voice session that they ended up
Speaker 2: basing the animation completely off of the voice session, so
Speaker 2: I never redid the voice for the animation. The animation
Speaker 2: was molded around this kind of like shooting in the
Speaker 2: dark voice performance, and that was just like such a
Speaker 2: beautiful thing to just see, like they kept all these
Speaker 2: instincts and they actually shaped the movements and everything around
Speaker 2: the voice, which is usually the opposite you're usually matching
Speaker 2: the animation.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so cool man.
Speaker 1: What cool experience is I mean this this conversation is
Speaker 1: coming out a few days before Spider Man drops, and
Speaker 1: and you know the DC Worlds. You also have seventy
Speaker 1: two Hours, which is out on Netflix. Yeah, totally different
Speaker 1: than what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: When you do a comedy, you know, and came my
Speaker 2: way and Tim Story is great director, and I met
Speaker 2: him before, and obviously Kevin Hart and Marcelo Hernandez and
Speaker 2: all these guys from the SNL cam and all you know,
Speaker 2: all of them their goodman. You know, all these guys
Speaker 2: are awesome. And I said, yeah, I'll do it. It
Speaker 2: was it was funny because I had like, literally, I
Speaker 2: think like two or three weeks free before I had
Speaker 2: to go to London, and they said, you're not gonna
Speaker 2: believe this. You could shoot a movie right before you
Speaker 2: go shoot a spider Man and you want to do
Speaker 2: a comedy with Kevin Hart. And I go, yeah, let's
Speaker 2: do it. And there's some cool cameos in that one too.
Speaker 2: You'll see it when you'll you'll know when you see it.
Speaker 1: We're psyched for that. I mean, how do you say
Speaker 1: no to a Kevin Hart movie?
Speaker 2: Come on, it's funny, man. I think Kevin Heart's funny.
Speaker 2: I think all those guys are funny. I wanted to
Speaker 2: do a comedy, yeah, And it was so nice to
Speaker 2: sort of get on set and realize, like you know,
Speaker 2: you're you're, You're all there to make each other laugh
Speaker 2: a little bit, and it's kind of cool. I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: I definitely want to do more comedy well.
Speaker 1: And you have such a great range to being an
Speaker 1: actor and to your craft. You're one of these dudes
Speaker 1: that can go from so insanely likable in your role
Speaker 1: is to absolutely terrifying at the drop of a hat.
Speaker 1: And that takes a skill that takes like true, true
Speaker 1: skill to be able to do that. And it's hard
Speaker 1: to imagine a world where you weren't ever pursuing acting
Speaker 1: because you just belong in it. But this wasn't your
Speaker 1: dream as a kid.
Speaker 2: No, man, It's weird, dude. I didn't start acting till
Speaker 2: I was like almost in my mid twenties. I love it,
Speaker 2: And I didn't move to the States till I was
Speaker 2: in my mid thirties, so my career was like so late.
Speaker 2: I look at like some of the young kids and
Speaker 2: I go, wow, you've been doing this for how long?
Speaker 2: I'm like, so I started really really late. I and
Speaker 2: more than that, I started film even later because I
Speaker 2: started in theater. But you know, the person, the reason
Speaker 2: why I'm an actor is because of my father. My
Speaker 2: father had convinced a girlfriend of mine at the time
Speaker 2: to put it in my head that I should be
Speaker 2: an actor. And I didn't know that he did that
Speaker 2: until I was on TV and I had a couple
Speaker 2: of roles, guest star roles and stuff on TV, and
Speaker 2: I found out that he was the one who first
Speaker 2: planted that idea through my girlfriend for me to pursue
Speaker 2: acting because he knew or thought that if he had
Speaker 2: told me erectly, I wouldn't have listened. I would have thought,
Speaker 2: what do you know, I don't want to do this thing,
Speaker 2: you know. But so my father, God bless me, passed away.
Speaker 2: But my father is my hero, you know, he really is,
Speaker 2: and he's he's the reason I'm here. You know, I
Speaker 2: owe everything to him. So you say, I guess he
Speaker 2: saw it. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really cool, man, And I like
Speaker 1: I like that you are someone who is showing you
Speaker 1: can achieve things at different points of your life. I
Speaker 1: think the narrative often is you are born and you
Speaker 1: have to know what you want to do and that's
Speaker 1: what you're gonna be. And it's like that's just not
Speaker 1: always the reality, And I think there's never an expiration
Speaker 1: date on trying to go for something, and you clear
Speaker 1: something in you was like, all right, my girlfriend at
Speaker 1: the times pushing it, but I don't know. I want
Speaker 1: to do it, like something was calling you to do it.
Speaker 2: You know, I used to like for first. It's funny,
Speaker 2: you know, speaking of that. My neighbor is a musician,
Speaker 2: and we were talking. He's like, you know, I'm too
Speaker 2: old to make music right now, and I go, why
Speaker 2: He goes, you know, it's like a young man's game,
Speaker 2: and I go, you're telling me that your point of
Speaker 2: view as a thirty year old, thirty five year old
Speaker 2: is not important. You think we only need to hear
Speaker 2: people tell their emotional stories of a specific age. Man,
Speaker 2: I want to hear stories music from people who are
Speaker 2: eighty and ninety. I want to know what that feels like.
Speaker 2: I want to know what it feels like to be sixty.
Speaker 2: I want to know what it feels like to be fifty.
Speaker 2: I want to know what it feels like to come
Speaker 2: from here. So there is no right. There is no
Speaker 2: such thing as, in my opinion, an expiry date on expression.
Speaker 2: On the contrary, I think we want to encourage people
Speaker 2: from all ages, in all walks of life to express
Speaker 2: themselves and to do it confidently, because we need it
Speaker 2: now more than ever. You know, we need different points
Speaker 2: of views that will challenge us. When did you know
Speaker 2: that you wanted to do this hosting?
Speaker 1: When did I know? I knew probably around thirty two
Speaker 1: thirty two, So you I just turned forty this year.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you started.
Speaker 1: And I started. I had a very weird journey, which
Speaker 1: we'd be here forever talking about it. But I started
Speaker 1: as an actor, then went to Corporate America, then missed
Speaker 1: the business.
Speaker 2: Start acting first and then corporate. Usually it's the opposite.
Speaker 2: Someone would quit corporate now now.
Speaker 1: It's like a why, and then missed the business but
Speaker 1: didn't want to go into acting necessarily. So I said,
Speaker 1: I love it. I want to cover it like an act.
Speaker 1: I want to cover it. Ye talk to artists, So
Speaker 1: it's cool, I I you know. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: now if I meet other hosts or people who want
Speaker 1: to do this, I always say, like act, like do improv,
Speaker 1: like get out of your head and out of your
Speaker 1: body so you can have a conversation. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of similarities between the two of the jobs. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm so. I'm a big proponent of doing things on
Speaker 1: your own timeline, which stuff and I over here we're
Speaker 1: talking about the other day, and there's no set timeline
Speaker 1: to achieve things, and I think it's really cool. And
Speaker 1: I also believe you can be an artist even when
Speaker 1: no one's looking at your work.
Speaker 2: Dude. To me, art like artist means you're expressing yourself.
Speaker 2: And to me, if you're expressing yourself honestly, you're a
Speaker 2: good artist. You know. You know, like the words I
Speaker 2: love you, right if you just if you mean it,
Speaker 2: it's beautiful, you don't A child can say it and
Speaker 2: it's like the greatest performance ever and you're like, yes,
Speaker 2: that can You could sell anything with that that cute, innocent,
Speaker 2: beautiful face going I love you, mommy, and you go, man, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll buy it, how much? You know what I mean? So,
Speaker 2: I think art is just expressing yourself, and I think
Speaker 2: to be a good artist, be honest, and everything else
Speaker 2: from there is craft, and you know, you can learn
Speaker 2: technique and all that stuff. So to anyone out there
Speaker 2: who wants to do any kind of expressive I think
Speaker 2: if you're honest, you're good. You're good fail fail honestly,
Speaker 2: it's okay, you know what I mean. So I think
Speaker 2: to me, people say, oh, you must be a great liar,
Speaker 2: you're an actor, And I say, well, I don't think
Speaker 2: I'm trying to lie. If you catch me lying, then
Speaker 2: I'm a bad actor. I'm so that's why I hope
Speaker 2: to tell the truth. So I'm looking for the truth
Speaker 2: in things so that I don't have to worry about
Speaker 2: lying on camera. But I'm kind of focused on telling
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 1: And hearing that from someone like you who is so accomplished,
Speaker 1: I think really resonates with a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are listening, because it's just a good reminder man, and
Speaker 1: your work has brought so much joy to so many people,
Speaker 1: and your artistry has. I mean, I would ever missed
Speaker 1: if I didn't bring up Better Call Better Soul, because
Speaker 1: it was just a fan favorite role for you playing
Speaker 1: Nacho in that, And what do you miss the most
Speaker 1: about doing that? There's been some space and time now, right.
Speaker 2: It's been three years, I think since that show aired.
Speaker 2: Three years. I wrote to Vince Gillian a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago, and just so I saw Pluribus and I
Speaker 2: wrote to ray Seahorn, who's the star of that show,
Speaker 2: who was on her She's great, And I was just like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's this thing. You know, what do I
Speaker 2: miss about it? You know again, I don't. I'm not
Speaker 2: a type of that goes backwards. I don't go backwards.
Speaker 2: But I can tell you that what I loved about
Speaker 2: it when I think about it the most was just
Speaker 2: being on that stage and looking at the sunset and
Speaker 2: knowing that you're part of a project where the from
Speaker 2: the creators of the project all the way down to
Speaker 2: the gaffers, everyone was paying attention to every detail. And
Speaker 2: when you're working on a piece of art like that,
Speaker 2: you can't help but think that you can't help but
Speaker 2: look at the world like a Swiss army, like a
Speaker 2: beautifully done watch, Like everything has its place. So there's
Speaker 2: a sense of like knowing. I don't know how to
Speaker 2: explain it more than that, like you read the script
Speaker 2: and you know every word is weighted, every comments waited,
Speaker 2: and you're there watching the sunset and you go there
Speaker 2: is order in all this chaos, And I remember that
Speaker 2: feeling of bliss. You know, That's what I remember when
Speaker 2: I think of better call Saul of like just that
Speaker 2: sunset and going like things makes sense, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? I love that that's the memory I have
Speaker 2: a federical song.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people want to see Nacho again.
Speaker 1: A lot of people want to see him in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. Is that something you'd ever revisit?
Speaker 2: Look, anytime Vince wants me to do anything, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: Vince's to me a genius and a great human being.
Speaker 2: So if a Vince calls me and he wants me
Speaker 2: to do a I don't know, play a tree in
Speaker 2: the background, I'll do it. But like what kind of tree, Vince?
Speaker 2: But I don't know about that character playing it again.
Speaker 2: If Vince wants to, I'll do it. But I'm developing
Speaker 2: a gangster script right now that is not inspired by
Speaker 2: that character. But there's like a couple of there's a
Speaker 2: couple of storylines that I feel the character could have
Speaker 2: gone in different ways. So I'm not exploring that character,
Speaker 2: but I'm exploring that color palette. It's called promises. It's
Speaker 2: a gangster film, so I do want to explore that
Speaker 2: gangster genre a little bit, but have it told from
Speaker 2: the protagonist this point of view, and so that's the genre.
Speaker 2: I love genres, you know, like sci fi, horror, westerns.
Speaker 2: I love like immersive experiences.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't wait for that, man, luck on that.
Speaker 1: That sounds like it's gonna be awesome. That's really really cool,
Speaker 1: you know. Sitting across from you, I can't help but
Speaker 1: keep thinking how accomplished you are, especially for starting quote
Speaker 1: unquote later in this business and how much you've done.
Speaker 1: Are you someone who has faced a lot of rejection
Speaker 1: in your career, because looking at you, it seems like
Speaker 1: you haven't. And for people watching this and listening who
Speaker 1: are sitting at home thinking, oh man, I keep getting
Speaker 1: those or I can't make it, or have you had
Speaker 1: a lot of rejection in your career?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? You know. You know what's funny about life?
Speaker 2: People don't see like It's like I remember a friend
Speaker 2: of mine set He's like, I'm like a duck. I'm moving, man,
Speaker 2: I'm moving, I'm moving. I'm moving. But all you see
Speaker 2: is just the thing in the fever. So look, here's
Speaker 2: what I can say about that. I don't want to
Speaker 2: speak for everybody, nobody, nobody that I've ever met, and
Speaker 2: I can speak for myself more than anyone else, which
Speaker 2: is actually probably the right angle to take this. I
Speaker 2: mean it is the right angle to take this. Man,
Speaker 2: I felt so shitty in my life so many times.
Speaker 2: The fact that you think that is a beautiful compliment,
Speaker 2: and I accept it. But I can promise you, man,
Speaker 2: there's no human emotion that you felt that I haven't felt.
Speaker 2: There's no sense of rejection that anyone's I've ever met
Speaker 2: felt that I haven't felt. I felt small, I felt unwanted,
Speaker 2: I felt untalented. I felt hopeless, and that's just part
Speaker 2: of the human experience. And I was homeless when I
Speaker 2: started my acting career. I used to shower at the YMCA.
Speaker 2: I used to take a bus from Montreal to Toronto overnight,
Speaker 2: shower at the YMCA, go do an audition, and then
Speaker 2: take the bus back. I used to live in this
Speaker 2: I used to hop from like one apartment's friends to another.
Speaker 2: And I remember in the winter, I got kicked out
Speaker 2: of my friend's apartment because I overslept and I burnt
Speaker 2: his sheets by accident on the heater and he's like, man,
Speaker 2: you gotta go. We can't both sleep on a small mattress,
Speaker 2: you know. And then I rented this place in this
Speaker 2: kind of rough part of Toronto, and it was so
Speaker 2: small the drawer wouldn't open because it would hit the
Speaker 2: single bed. But I was happy because I was doing
Speaker 2: what I loved. So yes to everyone out there. If
Speaker 2: you've been broke, if you've been homeless, if you thought
Speaker 2: that there was no way out, of course I felt it.
Speaker 2: And I can promise you almost every single great person, actor,
Speaker 2: anyone you've ever met, has felt it. So don't It's
Speaker 2: not just you. Everybody feels it, and find a way to.
Speaker 2: Like we said, go back to center, be grateful and
Speaker 2: know that it's, you know, all part of life. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I try not to reject it anymore.
Speaker 2: When I feel that, I accept it. All right, this
Speaker 2: is what I'm feeling. Here's what I'm gonna do about it,
Speaker 2: Here's what I know to be true, Here's why I
Speaker 2: know not to be true. And you move on, you.
Speaker 1: Know, man, Hearing that from you, I think is gonna
Speaker 1: help a lot of people because we don't always get
Speaker 1: to hear that side of your truth and your story.
Speaker 1: And think about it. When you're doing red carpets or
Speaker 1: junk kets, you don't have time to go there and
Speaker 1: talk about these things that are meaningful and important. Right,
Speaker 1: it's all sound bite. That's why I started the show
Speaker 1: Man because I like real connection. I cover red carpets,
Speaker 1: I cover all that, and I'm like, I want to
Speaker 1: sit down with people who I admire and who I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people admire, and hear more about
Speaker 1: your truth.
Speaker 2: Dude, listen to it. You know, since we're speaking about that,
Speaker 2: since we're taking the point of view of like someone
Speaker 2: out there who's struggling, I can promise you where's my camera?
Speaker 2: Is that my camera? With this?
Speaker 1: That's your camera.
Speaker 2: I can promise you. I felt as low as you've
Speaker 2: ever felt. I can promise you that. And there's no
Speaker 2: shame in that, you know what I mean. There's this
Speaker 2: idea sometimes that like, you know, fake it till you
Speaker 2: make it. Yeah, you don't go out there and spill
Speaker 2: your beans to every single person, but know that you're
Speaker 2: not alone. We all feel that way, dude. Life is complex. Man,
Speaker 2: it's weird. We live in this society with these rules
Speaker 2: and taxes and money and status and this and that.
Speaker 2: You know, any any normal decent person would be like
Speaker 2: take a pause and be like, this is kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Is my value really based on how much money I make?
Speaker 2: Is my value really based on how many followers I have?
Speaker 2: Is my you know what? Where? So? And we're told
Speaker 2: all these different things by businesses trying to sell us
Speaker 2: different things, and it's hard not to believe it, especially
Speaker 2: when we see it sort of manifests itself around us.
Speaker 2: But I think ground yourself with value. Ask yourself what
Speaker 2: do I value? You know? And if you can value
Speaker 2: things that money can't buy or that other people can't
Speaker 2: give you, like your integrity or whatever it is, then
Speaker 2: then I think that's a good grounding place.
Speaker 1: Man. I feel like I close every interview with a
Speaker 1: question based off the title of my show. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I feel like we kind of had that conversation unless
Speaker 1: something else comes to mind. But thank you for sharing
Speaker 1: all of that and for being the reminder many of
Speaker 1: us need at all different phases of our lives, no
Speaker 1: matter how successful you might be or may not be.
Speaker 1: It's it's something.
Speaker 2: I had a horrible, little little incident two hours ago
Speaker 2: where I just was like, oh man, this is this
Speaker 2: thing I was doing. I was like, this is not working.
Speaker 2: Isn't working?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then you kind of snap out of it. And
Speaker 2: it's it's life man, that you don't have to you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? As long as you learn to
Speaker 2: approach it with kindness, you're fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I have no doubt you do. You seem
Speaker 1: to be I try, dude.
Speaker 2: I hope I'm not giving the idea. I hope I'm
Speaker 2: not giving the impression of being like a No, you're
Speaker 2: not like like this for me.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we're works. We're all works in progress, exactly right.
Speaker 1: We all try our best, but it's clear you do
Speaker 1: try and you put your best try, which I think
Speaker 1: is really cool. Man. To wrap up this portion of
Speaker 1: the interview, the name of the shows. I've never said
Speaker 1: this before. Yeah, as I was saying earlier, it was
Speaker 1: born from this idea of walking away from these red
Speaker 1: carpets that I will cover. And if I met you
Speaker 1: on a carpet, it'd be for two minutes, and it's like,
Speaker 1: what do we really get to talk about? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: said little something about your character and why you're happy
Speaker 1: to be here, and what do we really get to
Speaker 1: talk about? So this show is born to bring artists
Speaker 1: on and dive into conversation that says something. So every
Speaker 1: every interview, I ask what is one thing you've never
Speaker 1: said before, which basically just means, what's something that means
Speaker 1: something to you that you want to leave us with today.
Speaker 2: You know, I did think of that before coming here,
Speaker 2: and I have my answer, but I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: of something that we've discussed spark something new. So the
Speaker 2: question is a negative, right, So I have to say
Speaker 2: something the negative of what I want basically, right, because
Speaker 2: you say something you've never said before, so my mind
Speaker 2: goes to something I want to say, and then I
Speaker 2: make it into a negative. So so I would say,
Speaker 2: you will not be okay, tell me more, meaning you
Speaker 2: will be okay. I will never say to you you
Speaker 2: will not.
Speaker 1: Be okay because you believe.
Speaker 2: Because I believe you'll be okay.
Speaker 1: Everyone will be okay.
Speaker 2: I think you'll be okay. Yeah, I think it'll be okay.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day. Take a deep breath,
Speaker 2: and just you know, my father passed away in my arms,
Speaker 2: and even in that moment, I realized it's gonna be
Speaker 2: okay right then and there, Yeah, it's gonna it's okay.
Speaker 2: It's it's you know what I mean. We're part of
Speaker 2: something much bigger. That's the answer I had initially was
Speaker 2: I don't believe we're part of something much bigger. That's
Speaker 2: something I would never say, right, You see what I mean,
Speaker 2: because I believe we're part of something bigger. But I
Speaker 2: think because of the conversation is you won't be okay,
Speaker 2: because I would never say that. If you hear me
Speaker 2: say that to somebody, it's not me, right, because I
Speaker 2: think you'll be okay, you know, just take a deep
Speaker 2: breath and you're there. You're where you need to be.
Speaker 1: Man. I kind of love this conversation more. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you for thank you for you know, showing us
Speaker 1: a different side to you. And the world's gonna know
Speaker 1: you very very soon as Scorpion, this badass villain, and
Speaker 1: everyone's anticipating this role, and you've had such an impressive
Speaker 1: body of work of course prior to that in seventy
Speaker 1: two hours is out now. But I think it's cool
Speaker 1: that we can hear who you are beyond all of that,
Speaker 1: and we got to see that today, which is really awesome.
Speaker 2: So I think I feel like we put Stephanie to sleep.
Speaker 1: Stephanie loves if we have seventy wasn't happy we know
Speaker 1: you are?
Speaker 2: You looking at like TikTok videos or are you looking
Speaker 2: at our monitors shot?
Speaker 1: Looks good. That's right, Michael, Thank you for having me.
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