WEBVTT - Big Red Rage - Checking In From The Combine 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.600 Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles ahead. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:10.520 He got Jack. This is the Big Red Race presented 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.880 by Santanford in Gilbert. Harry's gonna score touchdown. Slam to 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.919 the ground by Buddha Baker Like a torpedo. He came 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:23.240 flying into the backfield. The rage is brought to you 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:29.120 by satan Ford in Gilbert. Or are you Satanford? State Farm? 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:33.080 Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:37.960 and buy Arizona Cardinals podcasts, Visit acy Cardinals dot Com, 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:46.800 Slash podcasts, The Rods Rising Guard, temperaturizing vision, flurring, rage 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.760 taking over. Here's Paul cal VC. Get the popcorn ready, 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.640 It's gonna be a show, and Ron will fleep. It 0:00:53.840 --> 0:01:00.400 doesn't get any better than that. Unleash the far who 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:05.440 says that real headlines Ron Wolfley never come out of 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.840 the combine. I mean, come on, you know it's almost 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:14.120 always and only the speculation and the conjecture by design 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.880 right that comes out of the combine. I mean, not 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.080 only this week, but every stinking year. We get it right. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.440 The deflection, the line, the misleading, double speak, from the 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:26.000 nuance and the nonsense to the hogwash and the balder dash. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.880 You know what, not this year, not today, we got 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.800 real news that you can sink your teeth into like 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:41.039 a Ron Wolfley double Pepperoni sandwich. As the first signings 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.039 of the offseason happened to be the GM and the 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:49.160 head coach through two thousand twenty seven, as we say, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.880 welcome into the Big Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.040 and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford, Paul Calvci here, Ron 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.360 Wolfley there. You know, Polly, don't don't you don't make 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.240 me tell you my combines because you know, Paul, you 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.640 know that story. We have no time for that. PAULI 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:09.360 were thankfully time whatsoever the very first combine ever right 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.040 here in temper Arizona at ASU. Paul, don't make me 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.320 tell that story yet. I'm glad you got me distracted. 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.800 At Polly, where do you begin on the news of 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.520 the day with Steve Gaiman Cliff Kingsbury getting extensions. I'm 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.480 about the fact that it's scooped everybody who saw it 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.040 come to show a hands. I mean, come on, now, right, 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.120 I mean, you know, look, did it start when they 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.160 started seven and zero, ten and two? Were we talking 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:38.240 about it back in November. I specifically remember us having 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:42.560 the conversation around Thanksgiving, like, hey, wait a minute, m 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.000 guess what you know? The head coach, the defensive coordinator, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.000 the GM these are all guys who seemingly would be 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:53.400 in line for a contract extension, and obviously that was 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.040 put on pause and for good reason through December and January. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.639 But you come up for air, You put up the periscope, 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.919 You look around, you examine the landscape, and you say, okay, 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:07.119 you know one. You'll like the continuity, you like the stability. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.600 You figure that these two work real well together. You're 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.680 at some of the jokes at each other's expense. At 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.440 the combine yesterday where Cliff Kingsbury is able to joke, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.519 you know what, any tough questions direct him to Steve Kim. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.760 He's going to speak at three and then Kim saying 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:21.440 if there's any you know, smoke when it comes to 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.520 dollars and cents, Cliff doesn't want any of that smoke. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.120 So there's a good working relationship there when you really 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.880 dive deep into it. No, you're right about that, Polly. Honestly, listen, 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.160 Steve Kim to me was not as a brize. It 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.360 was not as a brise to me, I totally think 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.840 he should have gotten a contract extension based on the 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.880 fact that he's built two different, two different playoff teams 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:49.000 in his nine seasons. You know what, two different franchise quarterbacks. 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.120 He's actually done that with Polly, he did it with 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.400 Carson of course, and he's done it with Kyler. Listen, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.480 Steve Kim would be the first one to tell you 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.240 that he needs to draft better. There's no doubt bought 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.880 it of PAULI in the year twenty twenty two. In 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.880 the NFL, you don't build a team just on the draft. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.800 You don't do it anymore. As a matter of fact. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:14.080 You build, you build that, you build around the draft. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.080 And yes, it still is a nucleus in my opinion 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.479 of any organization. But right now things are changing. And 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.679 if you don't believe me, just look at the La Rams. Hey, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.560 no one, and I mean no GM has had a 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.599 worst recent draft history than the guy in Seattle who 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.760 recently got a big time contract extension in John Schneider. Schneider, 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.679 go examine the last eight years worth of his draft picks. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.120 So and you're right, then there's other ways to go 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.080 about it. You look at the trade history. Is Steve 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.839 Kime what he's been able to accomplish. So I agree 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.600 with you on that front. He's a room for improvement 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:55.920 come you know, April Draft. Absolutely, But it goes beyond that, 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.160 doesn't it. Yeah, it does. I mean, once again, a 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.840 GM's job in the year twenty twenty two of our 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.960 lord in the NFL is to build the best roster 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.080 that he can and so much of the time, Paulie, 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.960 as you well know, it's a year to year proposition 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.039 in the NFL. It is a year to year proposition. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.680 We've seen teams. How many teams go from worst to 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.760 first and first to worst. We've seen it over and 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.799 over and over again. Now, listen, trades are a big 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.960 part of what you do. And you stop and think 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.960 about this as a general manager. Did he did he 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.840 win the Carson Palmer trade? Oh, my goodness for a 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.719 seventh round pick. You gotta be kidding. Did he win 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:40.400 the Chandler Jones trade? Yes? Did he win the DeAndre 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:46.800 Hopkins trade? Did he win the Rodney Hudson trade? Oh? Yeah, 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:51.200 I mean we're talking about all pro players here, We're 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:56.560 talking about great players. It's gotta be factored into the equation. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.479 And when it comes to the head coach, let me 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.159 just say that there's a guy in LA who's doing 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.520 a real good job of leveraging the Amazon TV analyst 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.679 job against Stan Cronky. And if Sean McVay is about 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.200 to go ahead and sign on the line that is 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:17.080 dotted for some Mondo Mega head coaching deal, that might 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.760 just reset the head coaching salary structure. That might explain 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.479 why you want to get ahead of that that get 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.839 Cliff Kingsbury paid in today's dollars versus what might be 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.640 coming down the pike with a Sean McVay. So there 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.080 are other factors at stake here. We mentioned how you 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.599 know what, the first signings of the offseason happened to 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.000 be the head coach and then GM And there's a 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.880 reason why, because you don't have to work them under 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.159 the salary cap like you would a franchise quarterback that 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.800 is so difficult and so nuanced and takes so much 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.680 time that it's just much easier to do that. And 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.320 that's just up to the discretion of ownership because that's 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.880 simply that is not subject to any sort of salary 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.680 cap restrictions about that I honestly, right now, I will 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.720 tell you I was surprised that Cliff got the extension. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.360 I was surprised that he got it this year. I 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.800 will admit that I thought he was going into a 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.600 prove it mode in twenty twenty two. But I will 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.360 tell you this right now, Cliff Kingsbury really showed me 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.120 an awful lot and he has been the coach that 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:23.240 has developed Kyler Murray. This is how it works. You're 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.920 the coach. You've got a quarterback. Kyler Murray came in 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.960 year one, he one Offensive Rookie of the Year, and 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.720 then two and three he is a Pro Bowl player. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.960 Kyler Murray has gotten better every year on and off 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.160 the field. Now does he still have room for improvement? Yes, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.760 he does. He's got to get better. And this is 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.360 what I want to see him embrace going forward. I 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.200 want to see him embrace the idea that he's got 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.600 to do better and get better on and off the field. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.600 But if you look at him, Cliff Kingsbury was the 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:59.040 guy that developed Kyler Murray and brought him along from 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.280 year one to where he is in year three. Right now? 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.800 Is it perfect? No, it's not. Paul again, is there 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.880 a lot of room for growth, yes, But right now, 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.880 the interesting thing is the Arizona Cardinals handed Cliff Kingsbury 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.760 the one thing he needed, and that is a metaphorical 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.440 battle axe, Paul, because now all of a sudden, he's 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.880 not going anywhere. And I think that is exactly the 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.160 next step for Cliff Kingsbury. It's my own opinion, Paul, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.920 it's my own take. But man, he's got to take 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.080 that next step and become the alpha in the room. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.199 And he just did. And in a few minutes, we're 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.040 going to talk to Darren urban Hasy Cardinals dot com 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.959 Cardinals insider out at the combine, and I'm gonna ask 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.120 him that question, what does long term security like that 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.800 do for a head coach? In the locker room, We'll 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.439 get into some of that Wolf hit rewind it three 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.240 years ago. Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray were they a 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:54.120 package deal? Yes? Say yes, I did. Then Okay, so 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.320 there you go to me. If you're trying to consider 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.960 whether Kyler Murray is your future quarterback, then I think 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.320 this is a real tell. This is obviously foreshadowing. I 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.240 think ownership views them as a package deal. We'll see 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.800 whether that is something that has decided this offseason. Next offseason, 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.200 does it go into a fifth year like a Lamar Jackson. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.240 We'll see how that plays out. We know this much 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.640 that Steve Kim, now that his deal is done, as 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.280 to start working on other deals, starting with his own 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.800 free agent class of twenty plus guys. And here he 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.840 was at the combine just talking about some of the 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.040 decisions that loom in the very near future. I think 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:32.640 that we have a lot of tough decisions to make, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.559 and that's a good thing one year in my position, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.240 because we had twenty one understricted free agents on our 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.800 roster last year, so we have some really tough decisions 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.679 to make move forward. We'll have conversations this week with 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.120 a number of their representatives. But again, a lot of 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.520 guys that came in and in my opinion, have put 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.880 themselves in a position to be rewarded. We'll see what 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:54.520 he has in mind of free agency this year. I 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.920 think you name some of those trades that were executed 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.480 right over the past few years. Think about, oh, I 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.520 don't know, James Connor, who was signed off the street. 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:03.920 Do you think that was one of the names he 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.480 didn't want to name Polly, I mean James Conner. I 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.800 mean think about getting him from under two million dollars. 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.120 I'll think about that. Eighteen total touchdowns in a Pro 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.040 Bowl appearance for James Connor. Yeah, no doubt about it, Polly. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.400 I think when you think of some of the free 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.559 agents that are out there, and we've talked about this 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.960 many many times, but guess what poly it looms right now? 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.400 Is it not March second, Paul? It is marked second, 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.880 and now all of a sudden, here it comes March fourteenth, Paul, 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:35.120 the legal tampering period where you can pick up the 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.080 phone and call some of these guys and start talking 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:42.480 to him and offering contracts. It is looming right now, 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:47.200 James Connor, change the fabric of this team on the 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:51.840 field and off the field. I'm just wondering what it's 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.200 going to take to get him signed. What is it 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.559 going to take, because it only takes one team out there, Paul, 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.120 with a lot of cap space that it looks at 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.040 that tape last year looks at six one, two hundred 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.520 thirty two pounds catching the ball with one hand, coming 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:11.560 out of the backfield and trucking people. It takes one 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.040 session of sitting down and watching that tape where one 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.240 general manager go, man, come down. I'll tell you what, No, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.480 I need that guy and I get him all right. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.040 They didn't get a return on investment with David Johnson 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.640 and they decided not to go ahead and go long 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.720 term in on Kenyan Drake. But James Connor is a 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.920 different dude. He was the beating heart of that offense 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.760 for most of this past season? Was he not Ron Wolfee? 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.560 Him and his brand of bullyball is exactly what the 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.959 Cardinals needed, especially in the NFC West, No doubt about it, PAULI, 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:46.160 And again, I think that's gonna happen. We'll see. Yeah, 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.200 Hey joined the Airs on a Cardinal season ticket priority 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.800 lists for the twenty twenty two season. Opponents include the 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.400 traditional NFC West fos plus the Bucks, the Saints, the Chiefs, 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.360 the Charges, the Patriots, the Eagles, a loaded home schedule. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:02.720 Asy Cardinals dot Com slash priority for more info. As advertised, 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.800 we are going to the combine Darren urban oh Man, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.880 I think he's had a busy couple of days. We'll 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.360 get the latest from the Cardinals Insight or an asy 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.840 Cardinals dot Com as we continue with a combined addition 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.960 to the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford in Gilbert, 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.000 I think all of our long term goal appears to 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.560 have Kyler v our quarterback, and he understands that, and 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.280 he understands my view of him and how I feel 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.360 about him. And once again I'm gonna refer it back 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.360 to the business side of days, and that's not something 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.000 that I deal with, but it's all part of the 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.480 business right now and things that we're continue to work through. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.640 In regards of the statement, I know everybody's seen that. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.040 I think it's an agent throwing his job. I have 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.440 a lot of respect for Eric Brookhar obviously Kyler Murray. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.640 From my standpoint, any negotiations, any conversations and dialogue will 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.920 be certainly held confidential between the three of us. Any 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:56.960 of that was taken personal. It didn't show up at 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.800 the podium yesterday, at least in front of the media. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.880 That was yesterday at the combine Steve Kime, the GM 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.280 Cliff Kingsbury, the head coach, talking about the quarterback when 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.160 asked about Kyler Murray and the long term status. Ron 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.400 Wolfley here on the Big Red Rage presented by santan 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.120 Ford and Gilbert, we are Santan Ford. Here's the stat 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.200 over the last decade, quarterbacks picked in round one to 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.800 sign a long term deal before their fourth season. There's 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:29.160 a half dozen of them. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:34.760 and then Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Ryan Tannehill. I'd say 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.800 those teams are batting fifty fifty when it comes to 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.800 mega deals for those quarterbacks. So now the question becomes, 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.839 all right, what is next, if anything this off season 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.520 for Kyler Murray. But guess what. First it was the 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.680 head coach and the GM and that was the first 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.760 question we posed to our insider at the combine, Darren Urban. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.720 We caught up with Darren Urban via zoom about an 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.240 hour ago. All Right, so, Darren, you know, because you 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:02.520 were there at the combine yesterday, Cliff Kingsbury meeting the media, 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.240 among other things, he said that the Cardinals long term 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.600 goal is to have Kyler Murray be the quarterback. Well, 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.480 we didn't realize was that the long term answer came 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.120 for the head coach himself and the general manager at 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:19.560 Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kime. Your reaction, well, I mean 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.160 I was a little surprised Paul, And I'm going to 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:28.440 say that in part because it felt a little misdirection 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.520 because all we've been talking about for two weeks or 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:37.240 longer is Kyler Murray situation, whatever part of the offseason 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.600 Kyler Murray situation that we've been talking about, and obviously 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:46.560 most recently his potential contract extensions. So I wasn't even 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.520 thinking about that, which in hindsight probably was a mistake 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.200 from the standpoint of you've got two guys in Steve 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.440 Kim and Cliff Kingsbury who had been going into their 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.480 final year of their contract, and it's tough if you're 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.480 a coach or you're a GM being a lamed up 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.720 quite frankly, so maybe we should have been giving more 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.239 thought to that going into it. But from that standpoint 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.600 and from stability standpoint, it makes a lot of sense. 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.160 And you know what, in hindsight, if you go back 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.080 to the combine twenty fifteen, coming off the twenty fourteen 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:25.160 campaign and eleven win season, what happened, both Steve Kim 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.440 and Bruce Arians got contract extensions seemingly out of the blue. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.880 So there is precedent, and we do know that the 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.840 Cardinals valued continuity and stability. We know that Kim and 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.040 Kingsbury work well together. This certainly isn't a Trent Balky 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.760 Jim Harbaugh situation, right. I mean, I think all those 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:50.640 things make sense, Paul, and you know, again managing this 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.080 situation for Michael Bidwell, who's the owner, who's making the 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.520 decisions on these things. I mean, look, this team won 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:02.280 eleven games this past season, and the reality is, I 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.640 think in some ways that if if the playoff game 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.320 goes a little bit differently, if everything else stays the 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.360 same and the playoff game goes a little bit differently, 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.040 even if the Cardinals don't find themselves on the winning side, 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.160 maybe maybe a lot of the conversation is different around 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.200 this team over these last two months or so. But 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.120 you know, they won eleven games. You could argue that 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:28.280 Steve Kim, if you go over the history of this team, 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.440 could you could say that Steve Kim is arguably the 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.200 most effective GM that this organization's ever had. Given some 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.000 of the successes and I know for some fans it's 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.920 not as much success as they would want, but it 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:45.200 doesn't mean that he has not had some success here, 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.040 do you think and we're on board with Darren Urban 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.760 Cardinals Inside or easy Cardinals dot Com coming to us 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.720 from the combine. Do you think that the contract extension 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.840 gives Cliff Kingsbury something that basically no one else in 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.320 the locker room has, and that is long term security 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.760 through two twenty seven that he can look at anyone 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.000 in that locker room and say, you know what, I'm 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.840 the future. If you want to be part of the future, 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.919 guess what. I'm firmly in charge. I'm no longer a 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.119 head coach going in to the last year of his contract. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.879 Does that make a difference you think? I mean, I 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.199 think it does. And like I just mentioned, I mean, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.120 if it's the flip side and you have a lame 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.919 duck situation and it doesn't matter what sport you'd be 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.920 coaching or anything, I mean, those you know, issues can 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.600 come up with that. I mean, just even players going 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.560 into the last year of their contract. It brings with 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:45.840 it an extra narrative that is real and you can't 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:50.280 argue it. And you're right now, Cliff Kingsbury has that 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.160 security to be in the locker room and when he's 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.040 talking to players and he's talking and trying to make 0:17:56.119 --> 0:18:02.880 his points, that is a pretty hefty, powerful statement behind him. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.919 So yeah, I agree, that's something. I mean, obviously, look, 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.600 you don't know what all is going to happen. They're 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:13.600 signed through twenty twenty seven. You don't know necessarily that 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:15.960 means they'll be here through twenty twenty seven, because things 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.800 happen in the league all the time. But I do 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.720 think they are. Both of them are coming from a 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.359 position of strength now whenever they're they're talking about the 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.480 direction of the team because Michael Bidwell has given them 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.679 that power. And you're right, it does eliminate any speculation 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.679 in the off season in sort of any sort of 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.119 potential distraction. Right In questions from the media, do you 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.800 think the Kime and Cliff extensions make it any more 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:45.560 likely that Kyler gets a new deal this offseason? That 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:50.119 I don't know. It's it's hard to It's hard to 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:51.920 know where that is right now because I think so 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:58.960 many things go into the Kyler Murray contract situation. I mean, look, 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.000 he made it clear through his agent that he wants 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.560 that contract extension now, and I completely understand where Kyler 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.760 and and his people are coming from in terms of 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:14.080 some of the things he's accomplished on the field kind 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.880 of where he stands in terms of how he's helped 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:20.800 this team be better the last three seasons, and also 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.280 where some of the other quarterback extensions have come in 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.480 the timing of those. I also completely understand where the 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.879 Cardinals might stand on this, where you are going to 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.840 want to do your full due diligence and take your 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.960 time when you're talking about a contract of this magnitude. 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:43.760 So um, I get both sides. I understand the emotions 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:48.320 that can be involved in this. I could understand being 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.560 emotional if I was had the potential to make millions 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.520 of dollars. Heck, I get emotional when I think about 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.919 potentially asking for a small raise. So um, you know, 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.600 I get where everybody's coming from in this, and it's 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.439 let's face a Paul, it's part for the course in 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:09.479 some ways. I mean, I think this happens a lot 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.359 on professional sports when you're talking about this Kyler Murray 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.879 and looking for this contract extension and having it be 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.960 a story. He is not the first quarterbacks slash NFL 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.800 players slash professional athlete where this is going to be 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:24.879 a story, and he's certainly not going to be the last. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.920 And look, it might be a matter of known versus unknown. 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.320 You know, if you feel like, okay, Steve Kime is 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:35.000 a known. Cliff Kingsbury now after three seasons is a known. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.960 What is Kyler Murray at age twenty four? Is he 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:42.320 the two time Pro Bowl quarterback? Or is he the 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.200 quarterback who faded down the stretch the last two years? 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.400 You flip on is Highlights and accrdinals dot Com, it's 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.840 top ten plays and you realize, oh my gosh, that's 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.600 a skill set that nobody possesses in the NFL. So 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.639 you can go back and fourth and then ultimately, if 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:58.960 they do extend him this offseason, guess what the cap 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.800 is going up. It's going up the next couple of 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.080 years big time, And so it might be prudent to 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.800 pay your quarterback now in today's quarterback dollars, because thirty 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.280 five to forty million a year might be a bargain 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.920 a couple of years from now. So I could see 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.160 it go either way. It's funny bring that up. Michael 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:22.560 Bidwell mention this on Arizona Sports last week, where he 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.440 talked about how contracts like that are complicated. He didn't 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.280 get into a lot of detail of why, but I 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:30.720 think some of the things that you bring up are 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.280 good examples. It's it's not just it's not just what 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:37.840 are the incentives and is all the legal ease in place, 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.719 or even having the cash flow for a big bonus 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:46.640 up front. It's not just those things. It's also all 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:48.800 the things you just mentioned, which in terms of like 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.120 where does it fit in the hierarchy of other quarterbacks? 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.199 You know what timing fits well for the team, what 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.159 timing fits well for the cap. Where are we with 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.480 some of these other free That's what makes all this 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:06.960 stuff so complicated, And so I understand again, I understand 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.680 where both sides are coming from, and I understand why 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.480 it's a heavy lift. No matter what you decide to do. 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:15.919 And like we've talked about, the head coach and the 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:18.280 GM don't have to fit under the salary cap. You 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.320 don't have to worry about all those details, right, So 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.600 that's why it's infinitely more difficult when you have a 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.560 franchise quarterback and you're getting a long term deal done, 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:27.200 it has to fit within the cap and be cap 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:30.119 friendly to some degree going years into the future. All right, 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.760 as far as the combine goes and Darren Urban covering 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.240 the combine for what twenty plus years now, do you 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.680