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Speaker 1: right that comes out of the combine. I mean, not
Speaker 1: only this week, but every stinking year. We get it right.
Speaker 1: The deflection, the line, the misleading, double speak, from the
Speaker 1: nuance and the nonsense to the hogwash and the balder dash.
Speaker 1: You know what, not this year, not today, we got
Speaker 1: real news that you can sink your teeth into like
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Speaker 1: of the offseason happened to be the GM and the
Speaker 1: head coach through two thousand twenty seven, as we say,
Speaker 1: welcome into the Big Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford
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Speaker 1: Wolfley there. You know, Polly, don't don't you don't make
Speaker 1: me tell you my combines because you know, Paul, you
Speaker 1: know that story. We have no time for that. PAULI
Speaker 1: were thankfully time whatsoever the very first combine ever right
Speaker 1: here in temper Arizona at ASU. Paul, don't make me
Speaker 1: tell that story yet. I'm glad you got me distracted.
Speaker 1: At Polly, where do you begin on the news of
Speaker 1: the day with Steve Gaiman Cliff Kingsbury getting extensions. I'm
Speaker 1: about the fact that it's scooped everybody who saw it
Speaker 1: come to show a hands. I mean, come on, now, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, look, did it start when they
Speaker 1: started seven and zero, ten and two? Were we talking
Speaker 1: about it back in November. I specifically remember us having
Speaker 1: the conversation around Thanksgiving, like, hey, wait a minute, m
Speaker 1: guess what you know? The head coach, the defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: the GM these are all guys who seemingly would be
Speaker 1: in line for a contract extension, and obviously that was
Speaker 1: put on pause and for good reason through December and January.
Speaker 1: But you come up for air, You put up the periscope,
Speaker 1: You look around, you examine the landscape, and you say, okay,
Speaker 1: you know one. You'll like the continuity, you like the stability.
Speaker 1: You figure that these two work real well together. You're
Speaker 1: at some of the jokes at each other's expense. At
Speaker 1: the combine yesterday where Cliff Kingsbury is able to joke,
Speaker 1: you know what, any tough questions direct him to Steve Kim.
Speaker 1: He's going to speak at three and then Kim saying
Speaker 1: if there's any you know, smoke when it comes to
Speaker 1: dollars and cents, Cliff doesn't want any of that smoke.
Speaker 1: So there's a good working relationship there when you really
Speaker 1: dive deep into it. No, you're right about that, Polly. Honestly, listen,
Speaker 1: Steve Kim to me was not as a brize. It
Speaker 1: was not as a brise to me, I totally think
Speaker 1: he should have gotten a contract extension based on the
Speaker 1: fact that he's built two different, two different playoff teams
Speaker 1: in his nine seasons. You know what, two different franchise quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: He's actually done that with Polly, he did it with
Speaker 1: Carson of course, and he's done it with Kyler. Listen,
Speaker 1: Steve Kim would be the first one to tell you
Speaker 1: that he needs to draft better. There's no doubt bought
Speaker 1: it of PAULI in the year twenty twenty two. In
Speaker 1: the NFL, you don't build a team just on the draft.
Speaker 1: You don't do it anymore. As a matter of fact.
Speaker 1: You build, you build that, you build around the draft.
Speaker 1: And yes, it still is a nucleus in my opinion
Speaker 1: of any organization. But right now things are changing. And
Speaker 1: if you don't believe me, just look at the La Rams. Hey,
Speaker 1: no one, and I mean no GM has had a
Speaker 1: worst recent draft history than the guy in Seattle who
Speaker 1: recently got a big time contract extension in John Schneider. Schneider,
Speaker 1: go examine the last eight years worth of his draft picks.
Speaker 1: So and you're right, then there's other ways to go
Speaker 1: about it. You look at the trade history. Is Steve
Speaker 1: Kime what he's been able to accomplish. So I agree
Speaker 1: with you on that front. He's a room for improvement
Speaker 1: come you know, April Draft. Absolutely, But it goes beyond that,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. Yeah, it does. I mean, once again, a
Speaker 1: GM's job in the year twenty twenty two of our
Speaker 1: lord in the NFL is to build the best roster
Speaker 1: that he can and so much of the time, Paulie,
Speaker 1: as you well know, it's a year to year proposition
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It is a year to year proposition.
Speaker 1: We've seen teams. How many teams go from worst to
Speaker 1: first and first to worst. We've seen it over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. Now, listen, trades are a big
Speaker 1: part of what you do. And you stop and think
Speaker 1: about this as a general manager. Did he did he
Speaker 1: win the Carson Palmer trade? Oh, my goodness for a
Speaker 1: seventh round pick. You gotta be kidding. Did he win
Speaker 1: the Chandler Jones trade? Yes? Did he win the DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins trade? Did he win the Rodney Hudson trade? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about all pro players here, We're
Speaker 1: talking about great players. It's gotta be factored into the equation.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to the head coach, let me
Speaker 1: just say that there's a guy in LA who's doing
Speaker 1: a real good job of leveraging the Amazon TV analyst
Speaker 1: job against Stan Cronky. And if Sean McVay is about
Speaker 1: to go ahead and sign on the line that is
Speaker 1: dotted for some Mondo Mega head coaching deal, that might
Speaker 1: just reset the head coaching salary structure. That might explain
Speaker 1: why you want to get ahead of that that get
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury paid in today's dollars versus what might be
Speaker 1: coming down the pike with a Sean McVay. So there
Speaker 1: are other factors at stake here. We mentioned how you
Speaker 1: know what, the first signings of the offseason happened to
Speaker 1: be the head coach and then GM And there's a
Speaker 1: reason why, because you don't have to work them under
Speaker 1: the salary cap like you would a franchise quarterback that
Speaker 1: is so difficult and so nuanced and takes so much
Speaker 1: time that it's just much easier to do that. And
Speaker 1: that's just up to the discretion of ownership because that's
Speaker 1: simply that is not subject to any sort of salary
Speaker 1: cap restrictions about that I honestly, right now, I will
Speaker 1: tell you I was surprised that Cliff got the extension.
Speaker 1: I was surprised that he got it this year. I
Speaker 1: will admit that I thought he was going into a
Speaker 1: prove it mode in twenty twenty two. But I will
Speaker 1: tell you this right now, Cliff Kingsbury really showed me
Speaker 1: an awful lot and he has been the coach that
Speaker 1: has developed Kyler Murray. This is how it works. You're
Speaker 1: the coach. You've got a quarterback. Kyler Murray came in
Speaker 1: year one, he one Offensive Rookie of the Year, and
Speaker 1: then two and three he is a Pro Bowl player.
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray has gotten better every year on and off
Speaker 1: the field. Now does he still have room for improvement? Yes,
Speaker 1: he does. He's got to get better. And this is
Speaker 1: what I want to see him embrace going forward. I
Speaker 1: want to see him embrace the idea that he's got
Speaker 1: to do better and get better on and off the field.
Speaker 1: But if you look at him, Cliff Kingsbury was the
Speaker 1: guy that developed Kyler Murray and brought him along from
Speaker 1: year one to where he is in year three. Right now?
Speaker 1: Is it perfect? No, it's not. Paul again, is there
Speaker 1: a lot of room for growth, yes, But right now,
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is the Arizona Cardinals handed Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: the one thing he needed, and that is a metaphorical
Speaker 1: battle axe, Paul, because now all of a sudden, he's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. And I think that is exactly the
Speaker 1: next step for Cliff Kingsbury. It's my own opinion, Paul,
Speaker 1: it's my own take. But man, he's got to take
Speaker 1: that next step and become the alpha in the room.
Speaker 1: And he just did. And in a few minutes, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk to Darren urban Hasy Cardinals dot com
Speaker 1: Cardinals insider out at the combine, and I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: him that question, what does long term security like that
Speaker 1: do for a head coach? In the locker room, We'll
Speaker 1: get into some of that Wolf hit rewind it three
Speaker 1: years ago. Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray were they a
Speaker 1: package deal? Yes? Say yes, I did. Then Okay, so
Speaker 1: there you go to me. If you're trying to consider
Speaker 1: whether Kyler Murray is your future quarterback, then I think
Speaker 1: this is a real tell. This is obviously foreshadowing. I
Speaker 1: think ownership views them as a package deal. We'll see
Speaker 1: whether that is something that has decided this offseason. Next offseason,
Speaker 1: does it go into a fifth year like a Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: We'll see how that plays out. We know this much
Speaker 1: that Steve Kim, now that his deal is done, as
Speaker 1: to start working on other deals, starting with his own
Speaker 1: free agent class of twenty plus guys. And here he
Speaker 1: was at the combine just talking about some of the
Speaker 1: decisions that loom in the very near future. I think
Speaker 1: that we have a lot of tough decisions to make,
Speaker 1: and that's a good thing one year in my position,
Speaker 1: because we had twenty one understricted free agents on our
Speaker 1: roster last year, so we have some really tough decisions
Speaker 1: to make move forward. We'll have conversations this week with
Speaker 1: a number of their representatives. But again, a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that came in and in my opinion, have put
Speaker 1: themselves in a position to be rewarded. We'll see what
Speaker 1: he has in mind of free agency this year. I
Speaker 1: think you name some of those trades that were executed
Speaker 1: right over the past few years. Think about, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, James Connor, who was signed off the street.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was one of the names he
Speaker 1: didn't want to name Polly, I mean James Conner. I
Speaker 1: mean think about getting him from under two million dollars.
Speaker 1: I'll think about that. Eighteen total touchdowns in a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl appearance for James Connor. Yeah, no doubt about it, Polly.
Speaker 1: I think when you think of some of the free
Speaker 1: agents that are out there, and we've talked about this
Speaker 1: many many times, but guess what poly it looms right now?
Speaker 1: Is it not March second, Paul? It is marked second,
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, here it comes March fourteenth, Paul,
Speaker 1: the legal tampering period where you can pick up the
Speaker 1: phone and call some of these guys and start talking
Speaker 1: to him and offering contracts. It is looming right now,
Speaker 1: James Connor, change the fabric of this team on the
Speaker 1: field and off the field. I'm just wondering what it's
Speaker 1: going to take to get him signed. What is it
Speaker 1: going to take, because it only takes one team out there, Paul,
Speaker 1: with a lot of cap space that it looks at
Speaker 1: that tape last year looks at six one, two hundred
Speaker 1: thirty two pounds catching the ball with one hand, coming
Speaker 1: out of the backfield and trucking people. It takes one
Speaker 1: session of sitting down and watching that tape where one
Speaker 1: general manager go, man, come down. I'll tell you what, No,
Speaker 1: I need that guy and I get him all right.
Speaker 1: They didn't get a return on investment with David Johnson
Speaker 1: and they decided not to go ahead and go long
Speaker 1: term in on Kenyan Drake. But James Connor is a
Speaker 1: different dude. He was the beating heart of that offense
Speaker 1: for most of this past season? Was he not Ron Wolfee?
Speaker 1: Him and his brand of bullyball is exactly what the
Speaker 1: Cardinals needed, especially in the NFC West, No doubt about it, PAULI,
Speaker 1: And again, I think that's gonna happen. We'll see. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: to the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford in Gilbert,
Speaker 1: I think all of our long term goal appears to
Speaker 1: have Kyler v our quarterback, and he understands that, and
Speaker 1: he understands my view of him and how I feel
Speaker 1: about him. And once again I'm gonna refer it back
Speaker 1: to the business side of days, and that's not something
Speaker 1: that I deal with, but it's all part of the
Speaker 1: business right now and things that we're continue to work through.
Speaker 1: In regards of the statement, I know everybody's seen that.
Speaker 1: I think it's an agent throwing his job. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for Eric Brookhar obviously Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: From my standpoint, any negotiations, any conversations and dialogue will
Speaker 1: be certainly held confidential between the three of us. Any
Speaker 1: of that was taken personal. It didn't show up at
Speaker 1: the podium yesterday, at least in front of the media.
Speaker 1: That was yesterday at the combine Steve Kime, the GM
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, the head coach, talking about the quarterback when
Speaker 1: asked about Kyler Murray and the long term status. Ron
Speaker 1: Wolfley here on the Big Red Rage presented by santan
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Speaker 1: over the last decade, quarterbacks picked in round one to
Speaker 1: sign a long term deal before their fourth season. There's
Speaker 1: a half dozen of them. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: and then Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Ryan Tannehill. I'd say
Speaker 1: those teams are batting fifty fifty when it comes to
Speaker 1: mega deals for those quarterbacks. So now the question becomes,
Speaker 1: all right, what is next, if anything this off season
Speaker 1: for Kyler Murray. But guess what. First it was the
Speaker 1: head coach and the GM and that was the first
Speaker 1: question we posed to our insider at the combine, Darren Urban.
Speaker 1: We caught up with Darren Urban via zoom about an
Speaker 1: hour ago. All Right, so, Darren, you know, because you
Speaker 1: were there at the combine yesterday, Cliff Kingsbury meeting the media,
Speaker 1: among other things, he said that the Cardinals long term
Speaker 1: goal is to have Kyler Murray be the quarterback. Well,
Speaker 1: we didn't realize was that the long term answer came
Speaker 1: for the head coach himself and the general manager at
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kime. Your reaction, well, I mean
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised Paul, And I'm going to
Speaker 1: say that in part because it felt a little misdirection
Speaker 1: because all we've been talking about for two weeks or
Speaker 1: longer is Kyler Murray situation, whatever part of the offseason
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray situation that we've been talking about, and obviously
Speaker 1: most recently his potential contract extensions. So I wasn't even
Speaker 1: thinking about that, which in hindsight probably was a mistake
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of you've got two guys in Steve
Speaker 1: Kim and Cliff Kingsbury who had been going into their
Speaker 1: final year of their contract, and it's tough if you're
Speaker 1: a coach or you're a GM being a lamed up
Speaker 1: quite frankly, so maybe we should have been giving more
Speaker 1: thought to that going into it. But from that standpoint
Speaker 1: and from stability standpoint, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: And you know what, in hindsight, if you go back
Speaker 1: to the combine twenty fifteen, coming off the twenty fourteen
Speaker 1: campaign and eleven win season, what happened, both Steve Kim
Speaker 1: and Bruce Arians got contract extensions seemingly out of the blue.
Speaker 1: So there is precedent, and we do know that the
Speaker 1: Cardinals valued continuity and stability. We know that Kim and
Speaker 1: Kingsbury work well together. This certainly isn't a Trent Balky
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh situation, right. I mean, I think all those
Speaker 1: things make sense, Paul, and you know, again managing this
Speaker 1: situation for Michael Bidwell, who's the owner, who's making the
Speaker 1: decisions on these things. I mean, look, this team won
Speaker 1: eleven games this past season, and the reality is, I
Speaker 1: think in some ways that if if the playoff game
Speaker 1: goes a little bit differently, if everything else stays the
Speaker 1: same and the playoff game goes a little bit differently,
Speaker 1: even if the Cardinals don't find themselves on the winning side,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe a lot of the conversation is different around
Speaker 1: this team over these last two months or so. But
Speaker 1: you know, they won eleven games. You could argue that
Speaker 1: Steve Kim, if you go over the history of this team,
Speaker 1: could you could say that Steve Kim is arguably the
Speaker 1: most effective GM that this organization's ever had. Given some
Speaker 1: of the successes and I know for some fans it's
Speaker 1: not as much success as they would want, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he has not had some success here,
Speaker 1: do you think and we're on board with Darren Urban
Speaker 1: Cardinals Inside or easy Cardinals dot Com coming to us
Speaker 1: from the combine. Do you think that the contract extension
Speaker 1: gives Cliff Kingsbury something that basically no one else in
Speaker 1: the locker room has, and that is long term security
Speaker 1: through two twenty seven that he can look at anyone
Speaker 1: in that locker room and say, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: the future. If you want to be part of the future,
Speaker 1: guess what. I'm firmly in charge. I'm no longer a
Speaker 1: head coach going in to the last year of his contract.
Speaker 1: Does that make a difference you think? I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it does. And like I just mentioned, I mean,
Speaker 1: if it's the flip side and you have a lame
Speaker 1: duck situation and it doesn't matter what sport you'd be
Speaker 1: coaching or anything, I mean, those you know, issues can
Speaker 1: come up with that. I mean, just even players going
Speaker 1: into the last year of their contract. It brings with
Speaker 1: it an extra narrative that is real and you can't
Speaker 1: argue it. And you're right now, Cliff Kingsbury has that
Speaker 1: security to be in the locker room and when he's
Speaker 1: talking to players and he's talking and trying to make
Speaker 1: his points, that is a pretty hefty, powerful statement behind him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, that's something. I mean, obviously, look,
Speaker 1: you don't know what all is going to happen. They're
Speaker 1: signed through twenty twenty seven. You don't know necessarily that
Speaker 1: means they'll be here through twenty twenty seven, because things
Speaker 1: happen in the league all the time. But I do
Speaker 1: think they are. Both of them are coming from a
Speaker 1: position of strength now whenever they're they're talking about the
Speaker 1: direction of the team because Michael Bidwell has given them
Speaker 1: that power. And you're right, it does eliminate any speculation
Speaker 1: in the off season in sort of any sort of
Speaker 1: potential distraction. Right In questions from the media, do you
Speaker 1: think the Kime and Cliff extensions make it any more
Speaker 1: likely that Kyler gets a new deal this offseason? That
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's hard to It's hard to
Speaker 1: know where that is right now because I think so
Speaker 1: many things go into the Kyler Murray contract situation. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: he made it clear through his agent that he wants
Speaker 1: that contract extension now, and I completely understand where Kyler
Speaker 1: and and his people are coming from in terms of
Speaker 1: some of the things he's accomplished on the field kind
Speaker 1: of where he stands in terms of how he's helped
Speaker 1: this team be better the last three seasons, and also
Speaker 1: where some of the other quarterback extensions have come in
Speaker 1: the timing of those. I also completely understand where the
Speaker 1: Cardinals might stand on this, where you are going to
Speaker 1: want to do your full due diligence and take your
Speaker 1: time when you're talking about a contract of this magnitude.
Speaker 1: So um, I get both sides. I understand the emotions
Speaker 1: that can be involved in this. I could understand being
Speaker 1: emotional if I was had the potential to make millions
Speaker 1: of dollars. Heck, I get emotional when I think about
Speaker 1: potentially asking for a small raise. So um, you know,
Speaker 1: I get where everybody's coming from in this, and it's
Speaker 1: let's face a Paul, it's part for the course in
Speaker 1: some ways. I mean, I think this happens a lot
Speaker 1: on professional sports when you're talking about this Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: and looking for this contract extension and having it be
Speaker 1: a story. He is not the first quarterbacks slash NFL
Speaker 1: players slash professional athlete where this is going to be
Speaker 1: a story, and he's certainly not going to be the last.
Speaker 1: And look, it might be a matter of known versus unknown.
Speaker 1: You know, if you feel like, okay, Steve Kime is
Speaker 1: a known. Cliff Kingsbury now after three seasons is a known.
Speaker 1: What is Kyler Murray at age twenty four? Is he
Speaker 1: the two time Pro Bowl quarterback? Or is he the
Speaker 1: quarterback who faded down the stretch the last two years?
Speaker 1: You flip on is Highlights and accrdinals dot Com, it's
Speaker 1: top ten plays and you realize, oh my gosh, that's
Speaker 1: a skill set that nobody possesses in the NFL. So
Speaker 1: you can go back and fourth and then ultimately, if
Speaker 1: they do extend him this offseason, guess what the cap
Speaker 1: is going up. It's going up the next couple of
Speaker 1: years big time, And so it might be prudent to
Speaker 1: pay your quarterback now in today's quarterback dollars, because thirty
Speaker 1: five to forty million a year might be a bargain
Speaker 1: a couple of years from now. So I could see
Speaker 1: it go either way. It's funny bring that up. Michael
Speaker 1: Bidwell mention this on Arizona Sports last week, where he
Speaker 1: talked about how contracts like that are complicated. He didn't
Speaker 1: get into a lot of detail of why, but I
Speaker 1: think some of the things that you bring up are
Speaker 1: good examples. It's it's not just it's not just what
Speaker 1: are the incentives and is all the legal ease in place,
Speaker 1: or even having the cash flow for a big bonus
Speaker 1: up front. It's not just those things. It's also all
Speaker 1: the things you just mentioned, which in terms of like
Speaker 1: where does it fit in the hierarchy of other quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: You know what timing fits well for the team, what
Speaker 1: timing fits well for the cap. Where are we with
Speaker 1: some of these other free That's what makes all this
Speaker 1: stuff so complicated, And so I understand again, I understand
Speaker 1: where both sides are coming from, and I understand why
Speaker 1: it's a heavy lift. No matter what you decide to do.
Speaker 1: And like we've talked about, the head coach and the
Speaker 1: GM don't have to fit under the salary cap. You
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about all those details, right, So
Speaker 1: that's why it's infinitely more difficult when you have a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback and you're getting a long term deal done,
Speaker 1: it has to fit within the cap and be cap
Speaker 1: friendly to some degree going years into the future. All right,
Speaker 1: as far as the combine goes and Darren Urban covering
Speaker 1: the combine for what twenty plus years now, do you
Speaker 1: get a sense as to what position groups the Cardinals
Speaker 1: might be targeting more than others. Did you get a
Speaker 1: sense that for all the misdirection that is won by
Speaker 1: the people talking about where they're going to go in
Speaker 1: the draft? What do you think that where the Cardinals
Speaker 1: are angling this year? You know, I think I think
Speaker 1: it would have to be more paul less of you know,
Speaker 1: it would be more reading the tea leaves. I think ultimately,
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know what they're going to do
Speaker 1: in free agency. We don't know how this roster might
Speaker 1: stack up by the time the draft arrives in late April.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if Chandler Jones doesn't come back,
Speaker 1: I think edge rusher has to be something that you
Speaker 1: have to look very careful at. If they lose both
Speaker 1: Aj Green and Christian Kirk and free agency, I think
Speaker 1: a big young receiver might be something they have to
Speaker 1: think very carefully about. I think an interior offensive lineman
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: you necessarily I'm glad I'm in Indianapolis. There's been a
Speaker 1: lot of news here. I don't think you necessarily have
Speaker 1: to be here to kind of see that might be
Speaker 1: the case, and again taking what they do in free
Speaker 1: agency and then adding that to the equation. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: with you. You know, it's a deep class supposedly at receiver.
Speaker 1: I could see them using the round two pick on
Speaker 1: a receiver, especially when you consider the likes of Cooper
Speaker 1: Coup and Navante Adams and Deebo Samuel have all been
Speaker 1: found outside round one. I could see him going edge rusher.
Speaker 1: I could see him going cornerback, you know, with that
Speaker 1: first pick. Cornerbacks and good possibility. You know, but they
Speaker 1: do have a finite number of interviews, right, so they
Speaker 1: have to choose carefully correct well on the interviews. Yes,
Speaker 1: but you've still got zooms, you've got individual workouts. Just
Speaker 1: because you don't talk to one of those, make one
Speaker 1: of those players for the forty five you talked to
Speaker 1: here formally, it doesn't mean you don't have a chance
Speaker 1: to talk to these people. Okay, So, finally, have you
Speaker 1: asked Kenny Pickett about his hand size because apparently this
Speaker 1: is a thing at the Combine this year. Kenny Pickett
Speaker 1: hand size, if you asked him yourself. Unfortunately, Paul Kenny
Speaker 1: Pickett when he talked to the media, was right in
Speaker 1: the middle of the Cliff Kingsbury Steve Kame announcements, so
Speaker 1: I was otherwise busy. All right, Well, think of what
Speaker 1: you witnessed over the years and the evolution to the combine.
Speaker 1: Because it's gonna start up tomorrow night in primetime. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be music, there's gonna be production. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is a full fledged theatrical show, Darren Urban, A far
Speaker 1: cry from when you first started covering it more than
Speaker 1: two decades ago. I'm very exciting. Yeah, yeah, thanks for
Speaker 1: the insight and the analysis. All the way from Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: We continue with a big red rage presented by Santan
Speaker 1: Ford in Gilbert god Gun step Lawrence three step drop
Speaker 1: open in the pocket fires across the middle. It's intercept
Speaker 1: that it was deflected and picked off by Byron Murphy.
Speaker 1: Lawrence takes turns, gives to hide. It's a police flicker,
Speaker 1: pitching it back to Laurence Heason. Crumbill jump off past,
Speaker 1: picked off near side by Murphy at the thirty running
Speaker 1: it back to the left of the twenty tenth five
Speaker 1: cut down Byron Murphy after a horrible mistake by the
Speaker 1: rookie with a pick six and the Fightinals are back
Speaker 1: in front. Twenty three and nineteen Byron Murphy was all
Speaker 1: over that. That's a great read by a young guy
Speaker 1: coming of age, no doubt, great call, Passion Wolf, They're
Speaker 1: great plays by Byron Murphy. At Jacksonville Week three, remember
Speaker 1: the pick six after the kick six to end the
Speaker 1: first half, Cardinals trailed in Jayvill and then Boom came
Speaker 1: back and secured the win. Byron Murphy. Obviously a big
Speaker 1: part of that. It is the Big Red Rage presented
Speaker 1: by santan Ford in Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul Kelbc,
Speaker 1: Ron wolf Ley and Wolf. Can I just say that
Speaker 1: an underrated aspect the Cardinals fade down the stretch last
Speaker 1: year was losing number three corner Robert Alford. Yeah, to me,
Speaker 1: losing Robert Alford just threw that secondary and that cornerback
Speaker 1: group into disarray. And it started with that Week fourteen
Speaker 1: loss on Monday Night against the Rams where they gave
Speaker 1: up three catches of forty or more yards and that
Speaker 1: was as many forty plus yard catches as they had
Speaker 1: given up all season combined. Yeah, Paul, that really is
Speaker 1: That was something about the first I want to say,
Speaker 1: twelve weeks of the season, somewhere around there, approximately twelve
Speaker 1: weeks of the season. The corner Room had played so
Speaker 1: except well, if you remember that, Paul, you go back
Speaker 1: and you look at the tape. Marco Wilson, this fourth
Speaker 1: round pick out of Florida, this rookie out there on
Speaker 1: the field was playing very very well. And Byron Murphy
Speaker 1: of course was playing well. And you're right, Robert Alford
Speaker 1: was holding it up out there and showing why I
Speaker 1: was so high on him the first time they went
Speaker 1: out and grabbed him. Now that was three years ago,
Speaker 1: but I was so high on Robert Alford, and he
Speaker 1: finally showed the dog that he is out on the field,
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to go out and ball out and
Speaker 1: did a great job. And then he eventually got hurt.
Speaker 1: But you know Marco Wilson too, Polly, I think he
Speaker 1: hit a wall. I do. We talk about this all
Speaker 1: the time. I think the rookie wall is real for
Speaker 1: some guys. That everybody, but for some guys, I think
Speaker 1: the rookie of the rookie wall is real, and I
Speaker 1: think it was real for Marco Wilson. Yeah, he lost
Speaker 1: Robert Alford. He lost Marco Wall to a certain degree
Speaker 1: because that rookie Wall, although he was close on a
Speaker 1: lot of plays and just yeah, and as Christian Kirk
Speaker 1: told us on this very show, it wasn't like Marco
Speaker 1: Wilson got roasted. It's not like he got absolutely embarrassed
Speaker 1: in schooled out there. But but you know, they'll go
Speaker 1: at the rookie until he proves he can handle it.
Speaker 1: And the Rams Rams made the Cardinals pay not only
Speaker 1: a Monday Night, but in the playoff game against Marco
Speaker 1: Wilson as well. And for that reason. Cliff Kingsbury at
Speaker 1: the Combine yesterday was talking about that position group. I
Speaker 1: think we all feel we need to add some pieces there.
Speaker 1: Marco as a rookie, I thought got better and did
Speaker 1: a nice job. But Byron as a guy, we'd like
Speaker 1: to move around, play inside, play outside, and so you'd
Speaker 1: like to find a couple more pieces that you feel
Speaker 1: good about going on the next year. I mean, Ron Wolflee,
Speaker 1: if you're sitting there at number twenty three in late
Speaker 1: April round one of the draft and you have a
Speaker 1: legit number one corner on the board, do you hesitate
Speaker 1: at all to take that position, No, Balb. You know what, honestly,
Speaker 1: this is this is what I think they ought to do. Polly.
Speaker 1: I do believe that you should look at position when
Speaker 1: you draft. You should you should have needs when you
Speaker 1: look at it. Now. Again, that doesn't mean just because
Speaker 1: your need is there, that you're going to take one
Speaker 1: player over somebody else. You do want to take the
Speaker 1: best player available. But Polly, the Arizona Cardinals are in
Speaker 1: a situation right right now where they can look at corner.
Speaker 1: I think they can look at interior offensive line, in
Speaker 1: particular a guard. I think they can look at wide receiver. Paul. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they could take those three positions and say,
Speaker 1: whoever is the highest rated player on our board at
Speaker 1: those three positions when number twenty three comes rolling around,
Speaker 1: let's take them. And you heard our conversation with Darren Urban.
Speaker 1: If the Cardinals lose Chandler Jones and that edge rusher
Speaker 1: is there, you know, yes, yes, Polly, yes, you don't
Speaker 1: want to become the Atlanta Falcons who had eighteen sacks
Speaker 1: as a team last year. T J. Watt had more
Speaker 1: sacks than you had as a team. So you don't
Speaker 1: you don't want to become that's right, So there's a
Speaker 1: need obviously, Why is that doll Polly once again, why
Speaker 1: is that so important that you can actually get pressure
Speaker 1: on an opposing quarterback? Well, think of how much better
Speaker 1: that does make your secondary in your corner's look. Right,
Speaker 1: So you better have a bunch of lockdown, shutdown guys
Speaker 1: if you can't rush the passer. Here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals in twenty twenty two really need the
Speaker 1: two twenty one draft class to take that next step,
Speaker 1: starting with Zaban Collins. Zaven Collins sixteen. Overall, he's a
Speaker 1: guy who needs to come in and needs to be
Speaker 1: a big part of that big red d and fact
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsberry was asked about last year's first round rookie.
Speaker 1: We see him as an inside becker as him now,
Speaker 1: and we do feel like there's there's enough snaps. So
Speaker 1: we got to do some things differently, defensively, things schematically
Speaker 1: to make sure we're maximizing those two guys, and that'll
Speaker 1: be a big part of our offseason. How big a
Speaker 1: question mark is Zaven Collins still? In your mind, it's
Speaker 1: a question mark, probably only because he hasn't done it
Speaker 1: right now, But I will tell you. I love what
Speaker 1: I see from this guy. I think he is going
Speaker 1: to explode. And the reason why I say that is,
Speaker 1: think how much better Isaiah Simmons was in year two
Speaker 1: from year one? Oh yeah, oh, PAULI I mean think
Speaker 1: how much better he would now? Listen. I would have
Speaker 1: loved to have seen Isaiah Simmons finish over the last
Speaker 1: four or five games of the season a lot better
Speaker 1: than what he did. He want to talk about a
Speaker 1: young guy developing that may have hit a wall. That
Speaker 1: guy may have hit a wall, But I am bullish
Speaker 1: on him because he is a football player. You watch
Speaker 1: him on tape, you watch him play. He's not afraid ball.
Speaker 1: This is the reason why I'm jacked up about Zaven Collins,
Speaker 1: because I think he's going to get a lot better
Speaker 1: with an off season where he can actually hang out,
Speaker 1: he can actually absorb the defense. He's going to have
Speaker 1: all sorts of time to learn the defense again and
Speaker 1: learn all the checks out there so he can go
Speaker 1: out with confidence, go out in play, not only do
Speaker 1: his job, but tell everyone else what to do. He's
Speaker 1: a bright kid, Paul. He's a really smart kid, and
Speaker 1: he's a great athlete. And now now here's the best part.
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins is not afraid. He will stack his face
Speaker 1: into the fan. And that's what I wanted to see,
Speaker 1: all right. So he was the round one pick. Round
Speaker 1: two was Rondelle Moore. We spoke with Sean Jefferson here
Speaker 1: on a recent edition of The Big Red Rage of
Speaker 1: Cardinals Wide Receivers Coach and the plans they have for
Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore to move him outside and get him more
Speaker 1: targets downfield. We know about that, and that receiver room
Speaker 1: is in a state of flux with free agents like
Speaker 1: Christian kirk and and aj Green if they get that
Speaker 1: far into the middle of March here, and after they
Speaker 1: lost DeAndre Hopkins, obviously that was maybe the biggest factor
Speaker 1: down the stretch of fact. That's not us, that's Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury yesterday talking about the loss of the hoop. You know,
Speaker 1: after doing some reflections, and the biggest thing was when
Speaker 1: we lost hop I didn't do a good job schematically
Speaker 1: adjusting some things that could have taken some pressure off
Speaker 1: of Kyler. I think you lose a piece like that,
Speaker 1: you gotta find a way to be more creative, I think,
Speaker 1: and I gotta be better at that, but I think
Speaker 1: we've we've improved each year offensively. Obviously didn't like the
Speaker 1: way we've finished, but we got to continue to be
Speaker 1: creative and then try to put Kyler and positions to
Speaker 1: be successful and surround him with talent that can make place.
Speaker 1: What do you think he means by that, Paully? What
Speaker 1: do you think he means right there when he says schematically,
Speaker 1: I got to do a better job. What do you Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm asking you do you think? What do you think
Speaker 1: that exactly entails? Bolly? Well, we talked about this with
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. What did they do? They lost Robert Woods,
Speaker 1: who isn't a DeAndre Hopkins, but was vital to their scheme.
Speaker 1: They ran so many four wide receiver sets they led
Speaker 1: the league in that category. And once they didn't have
Speaker 1: the personnel, once they didn't have the talent, they went
Speaker 1: three games in a row and lost. They had a
Speaker 1: three game skid, and he figured, you know what, I
Speaker 1: gotta put this offense on blocks. I got to rebuild
Speaker 1: the engine. We got to go back to a different schemes.
Speaker 1: So I presume was that scheme they went back to.
Speaker 1: It was a It was more of a balanced rushing
Speaker 1: attack running between the tackles like they did back in
Speaker 1: the day with Jared Goff. Yes, yes, and that I'm
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, Paul. I'm wondering because I wonder if that's
Speaker 1: what Cliff means. I wonder if that's what he's thinking about.
Speaker 1: I need to do a better job at that. Now.
Speaker 1: Once again, you gotta have a quarterback who wants to
Speaker 1: get under center, wants to get under there and running
Speaker 1: mail a more balanced offense in my opinion, and just
Speaker 1: very curious because of the relationship of course that Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury has with Sean McVeigh and what the Rams did
Speaker 1: to your point, and you know what, if that's if
Speaker 1: that's the way you're translating that and that's accurate, then
Speaker 1: I would say James Connor is priority number one because
Speaker 1: you're gonna need that big back who can stoke it
Speaker 1: between the tackles. Now, Darren and I hash this out
Speaker 1: on Cardinal's Underground the podcast. Yeah, I'm more apt to
Speaker 1: go after a free aging wide receiver then I am
Speaker 1: drafting one in round one. The hit rate especially we're
Speaker 1: at number twenty three, I know it's a deep draft class.
Speaker 1: I get it, but it's been so unpredictable as whether
Speaker 1: a first round, second round receiver can help you out.
Speaker 1: And I know there's been a bunch of great second
Speaker 1: round receivers who are among the best of the game
Speaker 1: right now. You know what Cooper Cup was round three,
Speaker 1: But a Davante Adams, you know, I mean, you think
Speaker 1: of some of these guys who came out side round one.
Speaker 1: But to spend some money on a free agent wide
Speaker 1: receiver walf that you can plug and play and he
Speaker 1: can be a legit number two, what would that do
Speaker 1: for this offense? Yeah? No, I think that'd be a
Speaker 1: big thing right there, Paul, honestly, But here's the problem
Speaker 1: once again, you just never know how much money that's
Speaker 1: going to take. How much money is that going to
Speaker 1: cost right there at a high profile position like wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is on that. I
Speaker 1: know that you're not getting maybe a one. You already
Speaker 1: have your one in DeAndre Hopkins. Of course, Rondel Moore,
Speaker 1: you already mentioned that you hope to see him really prove,
Speaker 1: really take up, Polly, if there's one guy, if there
Speaker 1: was one guy. You got me sidetracked on Rondel Moore.
Speaker 1: But if there's one guy Polly that I'd love to
Speaker 1: see take off this year because of the impact he
Speaker 1: would have, it's Rondel Moore. Yeah, it is he would
Speaker 1: You want to talk about a little aid comfort and
Speaker 1: shelter over the top of DeAndre Hopkins and gave him
Speaker 1: a lot of room to operate. Oh my goodness, it'll
Speaker 1: be a scary proposition if you're doubling d hop and
Speaker 1: you've got Rondelle more one on one. And I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, but I think there's going to be
Speaker 1: a heck of a market for a Christian Kirk I think, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting him to come back, And at the
Speaker 1: same time, I'm not expecting the Cardinals to have the
Speaker 1: ability when you're paying DeAndre Hopkins. His cap number is
Speaker 1: going to be twenty five million this year. Now, whether
Speaker 1: they do something about that, I'm not exactly sure. You're
Speaker 1: not going to be able to go out and sign
Speaker 1: the Chargers Mike Williams for example, right, or Alan Robertson Robinson.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe a Chris Godwin coming off the ACL.
Speaker 1: Probably not Michael Gallup coming off a toorn ACL. But
Speaker 1: what can you get there. How about maybe a Juju
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster will four, Maybe a Jarvis Landry who had
Speaker 1: a down year, maybe on his way out at DJ
Speaker 1: Shark six foot four from Jacksonville. That could be a
Speaker 1: kind time special on a one year deal. Tell me
Speaker 1: when Chris Godwin is ready to go, Tell me when
Speaker 1: that guy's ready to go. Okay, coming off at acl
Speaker 1: All right, we'll tell you where the Cardinals are gonna go. Yes,
Speaker 1: an international game this season. Next on the Big Red Rage.
Speaker 1: Look for a shot into the end zone here Johnson
Speaker 1: and the lead of the last Bowl to the Fitzgerald
Speaker 1: the right time at a Jiel back to help protect Joshua.
Speaker 1: Count than one of the seventeen to count back to
Speaker 1: twelve and a long in the ends one far side.
Speaker 1: Fitzjoel goes up pick down for summer Larry Fitzgiel for
Speaker 1: the second of the year. How about it a young
Speaker 1: Dave pass rolling his RS there international style from Mexico
Speaker 1: City of seventy five hundred feet in the air, the
Speaker 1: elevation as Stadio as Tecca. Ron Wolfley, do you remember
Speaker 1: that two thousand and five road trip to Mexico City, Pauli.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I do remember it. Two
Speaker 1: things in particular I think stand out. Just how big
Speaker 1: the city of Mexico City. Oh yeah, just how big
Speaker 1: it is? That was number one. And number two was
Speaker 1: how many times you left the hotel the party ball?
Speaker 1: That was number two. Those two things, Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: remember your Lyne courtesy of Jim Almahandro has a much
Speaker 1: better memory than me, but it was an all timer.
Speaker 1: When you said Rolando Khanto was so popular in Mexico,
Speaker 1: it was like Ricky Martin showed up at an all
Speaker 1: girls school and would just say, Rolando Kanto, former Cardinals
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Is he a large man? Rolando Kanto, He's
Speaker 1: as big as the city. Yeah, we didn't realize how
Speaker 1: big he really is until we went to Mexico City
Speaker 1: and he was more popular than the Cardinals. And he's
Speaker 1: been doing work behind the scenes ever since. I mean
Speaker 1: it mean just great work, and it establishing a Cardinal
Speaker 1: Spanish radio network south of the border. And all that
Speaker 1: being said, it's official. The Cardinals are going to play
Speaker 1: again a regular season game in Mexico City this coming season.
Speaker 1: And if you remember this past season, as part of
Speaker 1: Cardinals Folk Tales Are Documentaries, we went back in time
Speaker 1: and chronicled the Cardinal's trip one time in Mexico. What
Speaker 1: were your thoughts I'm playing in Mexico. First of all,
Speaker 1: it was great. It's a great sparions to get outside
Speaker 1: the world and uh and world, you know how we
Speaker 1: do it. I thought it was one of the biggest
Speaker 1: moments of my career, believe it or not. I mean
Speaker 1: one games, but the way Stadios Deccan Mexican people reacted
Speaker 1: to that flag, I got goose bumps under here. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was absolutely in Fuego. We're about to come into
Speaker 1: the biggest arena in Latin America, and I think a
Speaker 1: style stack got really prided that day. I come to
Speaker 1: the coach and Dannis Green is actually happening. An NFL
Speaker 1: professional game is being played here? One that counts. It
Speaker 1: actually happened. It definitely counted, and it will always stand
Speaker 1: as NFL history. An amazing scene flashbaults popping for the
Speaker 1: first ever National Football League regular season game abroad. That's right,
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Speaker 1: Cardinal's history all Time anecdotes through the personal recollections and
Speaker 1: memories of those who lived it. It was in freaking incredible.
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Speaker 1: And that's our audio trailer. The original Cardinals Folk Tales
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Speaker 1: dot com. Slash a Ze Cardinals Wolf, you were there.
Speaker 1: You remember Robert Griffith. We heard his voice, he carried
Speaker 1: out the Mexican national flag. And then the NFL record
Speaker 1: crowd at the time of one hundred three thousand plus
Speaker 1: enjoyed that Cardinals win over the Niners. Oh you know
Speaker 1: what's incredible about it too. Do you remember when Neil
Speaker 1: Rackers came out to te the ball up plus Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, they were going nuts that they brought the
Speaker 1: kicker out of the field, that we're going to kick
Speaker 1: this ball off to start the game. That's what I remember.
Speaker 1: Every time they'd kicked, Neil Rackers would kick off, whoever
Speaker 1: the other kicker was would kick off, Oh my goodness ball.
Speaker 1: If they would burst out into this yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a soccer crowd. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a soccer crowd, but man, they love football too.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Neil Rockers was going nuts because
Speaker 1: he wanted to shot at a seventy yard fuel goal
Speaker 1: because it's about the same elevation as flagstaff and the
Speaker 1: ball just rockets through the air in that, in that
Speaker 1: thin air, and he never got a chance at an
Speaker 1: NFL record fuel goal. It's him. But I'll also say
Speaker 1: this quickly about Neil Rockers at the time after he
Speaker 1: kicked that ball off, I don't think I've ever seen
Speaker 1: him run as hard down the field trying to get
Speaker 1: a pound of flash, trying to do something to satisfy
Speaker 1: these these fans. I don't know Bali, but he was
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, And that's saying something because he would
Speaker 1: cover a kick and there's no doubt about it, not
Speaker 1: like Jay Feeley. Now, let's get carried away, Jay Pheley,
Speaker 1: stick his face into the fan. Yeah, Hey, how about
Speaker 1: some As long as we're throwing out some props, how
Speaker 1: about one of your favorites of all time in that
Speaker 1: Cardinals locker room. How about the father of our own Jim.
Speaker 1: I'm a hundred. John o'mahondro. JOHNNYO just honored at the
Speaker 1: NFL Hall of Fame. How about that induction and as
Speaker 1: part of the inaugural class of all time athletic trainers
Speaker 1: in NFL history. Think about this right now. One of
Speaker 1: five guys, one of five guys, the inaugural class of
Speaker 1: trainers that are being inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute right there. That fits
Speaker 1: like a glove from Johnny Oh yeah, and our Jimmy
Speaker 1: O is nursing a shrimp cocktail hangover from Saint aubya
Speaker 1: Is steakhouse over the last twenty four hours. So that
Speaker 1: was great stuff as well. Wolf. By the way, we
Speaker 1: got to look into the backyard over the block wall,
Speaker 1: into the backyard of our NFC West neighbors. Did you
Speaker 1: happen to see Seattle today at the combine coach double
Speaker 1: rainbow saying that Russell Wilson isn't going anywhere? Yes, So
Speaker 1: for all the reports and the proclamations. And then Jimmy
Speaker 1: G is Jimmy I R again he got shoulder surgery
Speaker 1: on his throwing shoulders. So does that do the Niners
Speaker 1: and their plans to most likely trade him this auce. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: there are people out there saying, oh, it's not going
Speaker 1: to hurt his trade value. What come on? What it's
Speaker 1: his throwing shoulder. He's not going to throw for four months. Suddenly,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're gonna say, well, everything's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine, don't worry about it. He's gonna re rehabing
Speaker 1: that thing. He's not gonna throw for four months, and
Speaker 1: suddenly you're gonna pull a trade off. I think his
Speaker 1: value is plumbering even as we speak. Yeah, guess what
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh was calling? Denver, Indie, Carolina, Washington, Tampa. They're not
Speaker 1: calling anymore when he's not gonna be able to throw
Speaker 1: a football until late June, early July. So that is
Speaker 1: very interesting there as well. All right, special thanks Darren
Speaker 1: Urban for joining us. Are Jim Almajandro, Mitch Verreldis, Ron
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