1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: I was so shaken by my conclusion that mass incarceration 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: is mass elimination. It is, yes, a project extracting profit 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: from our bodies. It is also a technique and a 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: tactic of banishing unwanted communities. That shook me to my 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: core and it required that I in a deep way 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: change how I work and become mostly directly accountable to 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: the community based organizations who are doing the work to 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: end the age of mass incarceration. 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: From futuro media, it's let you know us say, I'm 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: Marie Inojosa. Today a conversation with Kelly Leitel Hernandez, whose 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: work documenting mass incarceration can help us to imagine a 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: future beyond it. Kelly Idl Hernandez is a leading scholar 13 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: on race, immigration, and mass incarceration. Last year, she was 14 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: named a MacArthur Foundation Genius Awardee for her project Million 15 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: Dollar Hoods, which maps and documents the fiscal and human 16 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: costs of mass incarceration in the city of Los Angeles. 17 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: Based at UCLA, the research at Million Dollar Hoods shows 18 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: that the Los Angeles government is spending millions of dollars 19 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: to incarcerate people in predominantly black and Brown neighborhoods with 20 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: renewed calls to defund the police. Kelly argues the money 21 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: used for incarceration might be better spent elsewhere, and then 22 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: her team takes it one step further and uses the 23 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: LAPD's own data to create what they call equations for liberation. Kelly, 24 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: I want to welcome you to Latino, USA and really 25 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: just say thank you for all of the work that 26 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: you do. 27 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on. 28 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of your work. So let's go 29 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: to the very beginning. You grew up on the border 30 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: in San Diego. I'm actually wondering if you can tell 31 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: us a little bit about some of the formative experiences 32 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 2: that you started asking when you were little that basically 33 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: ended up driving some of your research today. 34 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: When I was growing up in the nineteen eighties, the 35 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: border was such a highly policed space. The war on 36 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: immigrants was at a high pitch. The border patrol was 37 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: snatching people away off of buses and off of transit lines, 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: off of the street. 39 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: And you remember seeing this, Kelly, like, how old were you? 40 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: Where do you remember? Was it news reports, was it 41 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: stories you were hearing in school? 42 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: It was all of the above. You were constantly hearing 43 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: about people being taken away. There were also friends who 44 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: lost family members to deportation. So I don't come from 45 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: an immigrant family. It was not a threat that came 46 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: to my home and even and so that kind of 47 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: tyranny of terror of people being snatched away felt very 48 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: visceral to me as a child. And so it was 49 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: those formative experiences of feeling that community members could be 50 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: taken at any time, and asking my father when I 51 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: was very young in this I remember very clearly saying, 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, Dan, why do they get to take people away? 53 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: And he just told me one thing, And it was 54 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: more in the tone of what he said than the 55 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: words of what he said. He said, because they think 56 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: they're illegal. And there was the tone where he clearly 57 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: despised the illegalization of human beings, and he was telling me, 58 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: as a young child, that what is happening here is wrong. 59 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: So the first history I wrote was a history of 60 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: the US Border Patrol, and that became my first book. Midram. 61 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: So you, Kelly, you end up, in fact writing a 62 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: lot about the history not only of the border patrol, 63 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: but also about the history of different kinds of human caging. 64 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: And you end up making this link about immigration, mass detention, 65 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: and mass incarceration, and that these things are intimately linked. 66 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if you can take me to that point, 67 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: were you as a young woman or as an academic, 68 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: where you're just like, oh my god, I see the 69 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: connection is right there. 70 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: Well, I gotta say, I think I always knew it 71 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: from the time I was a child. So I was 72 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: growing up as a black girl in the borderlands at 73 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: the time that the war on drugs was hitting its 74 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: high pitch, and so I'm witnessing in my own community 75 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: what is happening, especially black youth, in terms of us 76 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: being snatched away on drug charges and on other forms 77 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: of policing. And one of the things that was very 78 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: curious to me was how in San Diego you had 79 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: the boys in green and the boys in blue, and 80 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: the boys in green policed the brown folks and the 81 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: boys in blue policed the black folks. 82 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, wait a second, I need to stop you, 83 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: because unless you really know the border you grew up there, 84 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 2: then you may not understand that the boys in blue, yes, 85 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: that they're the police, but the boys in green are 86 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: the border patrols. So what do you remember in terms 87 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 2: of like seeing the boys in blue and the boys 88 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: in green when you were going up Kelly. 89 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: Well, what I noticed first was that the guys in green, 90 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: who had the uniforms and the guns, just like everybody 91 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: else and all the authority, weren't coming after us black kids. 92 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: And that struck me as curious because it felt like 93 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: every other police officer was coming for us, so why 94 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: not these guys? And I knew there had to be 95 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: some kind of connection. I didn't know what it was. 96 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: So as I moved forward through my studies, I first 97 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: really focus I dig in deep on trying to understand 98 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: what was going on with immigration law enforcement, in particular 99 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: why it became so constant, traded, and singularly focused on 100 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: at that time Mexican immigrants, now increasingly Central American immigrants 101 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: as well. And once I had that under my belt, 102 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: and I was then prepared to come and think in 103 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: new ways about the rise of mass incarceration. And as 104 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: I started to put the pieces the historical episodes together, 105 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: it became more and more clear to me that one 106 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: of the most important ways to start thinking about mass 107 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: incarceration is to first pull apart one of the greatest 108 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: mythologies of the so called American story, and that mythology 109 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: is that we are a nation of immigrants. I didn't 110 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: grow up in a region where we were a community 111 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: welcoming immigrants. In right, we were a community that was racializing, terrorizing, policing, 112 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: locking up and removing people. And once I started to 113 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: pick apart that mythology and I listened to really radical 114 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: indigenous scholars and radical black skins who are telling us 115 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: that this is not a nation of immigrants, it's a 116 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: nation of settlers. That a certain small population is entitled 117 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: to land and life, and the rest of us are 118 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: here to work and to labor and be removed. Then 119 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: I had a conceptual framework to be able to pull 120 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: together the stories of immigration control and mass incarceration. That 121 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: immigration control is about managing the international flow of non 122 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: white workers into and out of this nation of settlers, 123 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: and that mass incarceration has grown as a mechanism to 124 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: control black emancipation and mobility in life and well being. 125 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: We have a shared enemy, the human caging may have 126 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: different manifestations, right, It might happen in an immigrant detention center. 127 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: It might be called detention, It might be called deportation, 128 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: not punishment, and that mass incarceration happened under the rubric 129 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: of the criminal justice system, the criminal legal system. But 130 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: we are having shared experiences of being surveilled, of being released, 131 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: of being interrogated, picked up, locked up, and removed from 132 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: our families. 133 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: So you're a historian, but you faced a lot of 134 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: obstacles when you were gathering material for your book City 135 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: of Inmates, which is basically looking at mass incarceration in 136 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. But what ends up happening that you, as 137 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 2: a historian, you can't get the answers to your questions. 138 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: In writing City of Inmates is definitely the most difficult 139 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: work I've ever done in terms of recovering the archives, 140 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: recovering the record of what has been done by whom 141 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: and to whom and at what cost. And in that case, 142 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: I was telling the history of the US of the 143 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: rise of mass incarceration from the Los Angeles Why los Angeles? 144 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: Los Angeles is important because it operates the largest jail 145 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: system in the United States, which cage is more people 146 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: than any other nation on Earth. Los Angeles is also 147 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: important because if you want to talk about the diversity 148 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: of incarceration of immigrant detention of youth, detention of federal prisons, 149 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: of state prisons, of local jails. 150 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: And more. 151 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: All of that is cited right in Los Angeles County. 152 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: So that's why the LA story is really important. But 153 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: when I went out to try to find that LA's 154 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: story was extraordinarily difficult. Why the two institutions that are 155 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: responsible for jailing people here in Los Angeles, the Los 156 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: Angeles Police Department and the Los Angeles Sheriff Department, had 157 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: both either destroyed or refused access to their historical records. 158 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: What I ended up having to do is create this 159 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: thing I call the Rebel Archive, And what that was 160 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: is following the tracks of the people who fought the 161 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: rise of mass incarceration. So the people who broke out 162 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: of jail, the people who litigated against their criminalization, the 163 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,479 Speaker 1: people who rise up in rebellions such as the wat's uprising. 164 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: They could have talked to anybody I could have talked to. 165 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna want to talk to me. 166 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: Didn't want to beat my bays up. And the only 167 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: way the way we can never get anybody at any 168 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 3: time to listen to a right We got enough to 169 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: know that person had to file out late at the beginning. 170 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: The people who take to the radio waves and advocate 171 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: on path of their community, and even against the greatest 172 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: of despair, dare to sing love songs to one another. 173 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: So all of these are rebel reflections, and I gather 174 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: up all of that and I'm able to tell the 175 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: story of two centuries of how LA came to build 176 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: the largest jail system in the United States. 177 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: I want you to talk a little bit about that shift. 178 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: A lot of people think of academia and academics as 179 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: being removed from the community, and frankly, just looking at 180 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 2: boxes and books and papers, you start off as an academic, 181 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: and so when things end up getting difficult for you 182 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: in terms of the archival stuff the laped, you go 183 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: deep into the community and in fact you begin to 184 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: work with community based organizations. And I'm wondering how that 185 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: was as a scholar. 186 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: I made a pretty radical shift. I took a sabbatical 187 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: and I spent a year listening. That's it, just showing 188 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: up and listening and learning from community about what are 189 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: the major concerns building relationships. And it was in that 190 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: year that there was a meeting at the Chukos Justice 191 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: Center run by the Youth Justice Coalition, and I believe 192 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: it was folks from Disney are now and others. We're 193 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: talking about data. We know what's happening to us and 194 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: to our families, our loved ones, and our neighbors. We 195 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: know when we're getting arrested and what we're getting arrested for. 196 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: But when we go to the LAPD in the La 197 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: Sharf's department requesting the data, we can't get them to 198 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: hand it over. I thought, Okay, well, maybe that's something 199 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: I can do to contribute as a scholar. We have 200 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: this letterhead of these institutions of higher learning UCLA, right, 201 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: maybe we can wield that power in a certain way 202 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: to get access to the data. 203 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: So you're realizing the importance of having this data, and 204 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: you decide that you're going to use your position as 205 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: a scholar essentially to intervene. But you intervene in a 206 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: pretty unconventional way by deciding to sue the LAPD for 207 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: their own records. 208 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, toe the LAPD. So don't tell me, no, 209 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: that is the worst thing you can tell me, because 210 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: that is going to drive me harder than ever to 211 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: get access. 212 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: Coming up on Latino USA, Kelly Ldel Hernandez tells us 213 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 2: about her battle in court with the l A p 214 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: D and her fight to liberate an archive of data 215 00:13:19,600 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: on mass incarceration. Stay with us, Yes, A, we're back. 216 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: Before the break, we had been listening to historian Kelly 217 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: Lytel Hernandez. She's one of the nation's leading scholars on 218 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: the subjects of race, immigration, and mass incarceration. Although Kelly 219 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: was trained as a historian to do archival research, she 220 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: faced a critical problem. Most of the records she was 221 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: looking for about mass incarceration in Los Angeles had been 222 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: destroyed by the local police department itself, and she was 223 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: being denied access to existing records. We did reach out 224 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: to the LAPD for comment about the lack of access 225 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: to historical and existing records, but we didn't get a response. 226 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: So back now to my conversation with Kelly Lytel Hernandez. So, Kelly, 227 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: you're at this community meeting, it's twenty sixteen, and you're 228 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: talking about data and about how the LAPD is refusing 229 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: to release that data on who they're locking up. But 230 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: as a historian, you know that a record does exist, 231 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: and you in fact know the power of something like 232 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: that kind of record. 233 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, So I was very blessed to be in conversation 234 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: with the ACLU of Southern California, and so on my 235 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: behalf and the behalf of many others. The ACLU sued 236 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: the LAPD and one in a settlement a new era 237 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: of data transparency and record transparency. And as part of 238 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: that settlement, the ACLU was able to provide me with 239 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: access to one hundred and seventy seven boxes of the 240 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: LAPD's historical records, and we sat down and we figured 241 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: out what we wanted to do with it. We decided 242 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: we wanted to map the cost of incarceration here in 243 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. So we developed together this problem called Million 244 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: Dollar Hoods. 245 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: It does just that. 246 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: When you go to our website million dollar Hoods dot org, 247 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: what you will enter into is a map of Los Angeles, 248 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: and on that map you'll see certain communities that light 249 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: up and read. Every one of those communities that lights 250 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: up and read is where we're spending more than a 251 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: million dollars per year locking up local residents. And so 252 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: we used that information to make an argument that we 253 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: need to move that money out of policing and incarceration 254 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: and into making people well. Because in most of these neighborhoods. 255 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: The top two charges are substance related do UIs and 256 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: possession of drugs. So we have been making the argument 257 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: about shifting resources now for a long time, we were 258 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: on the outside banging to sort of get into the 259 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: center of the conversation. With the uprising this summer, it 260 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: has become one hundred percent clear that shrinking our investments 261 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: in policing and incarceervation to shift resources over to health 262 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: and well being really is the only option that we have. Love. 263 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 4: The Los Angeles City Council approved a one hundred and 264 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 4: fifty million dollar cut to the Los Angeles Police Department's 265 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 4: budget on July first. Those funds will instead go towards 266 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 4: services like mental health and housing, particularly in underrepresented neighborhoods. 267 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: Although many people only see it as far as quote 268 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: unquote defund the police, you're actually saying it's a much 269 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: larger concept. So what does that look like for you? 270 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 2: And is it feeling closer now? 271 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think this is the essential question. What does 272 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: that new system look like? And to me, it looks 273 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: like when we as individuals are crisis, or one of 274 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: our loved ones is in for example, mental health crisis, 275 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: that we have someone who we can call who will 276 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: come and support and get them to the services that 277 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: they need. It looks like when we are in financial crisis, 278 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: and our communities have perpetually, historically lived in a constant 279 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: constructed financial crisis, that we're going to address that with housing, 280 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: with economic support, with employment, not with caging. Listen. I 281 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: also sit on something here in Los Angeles called the 282 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: Civil Brand Commission for Institutional Inspections. And what we do 283 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: is we go inside the jails and we inspect the 284 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: conditions inside. And I can affirm and I can attest 285 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: for you that we are filling our facilities with people 286 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: who are in crisis, who need support and services, who 287 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: don't need tiny little cages and aggressive treatment. 288 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: So I'm thinking about these huge institutions. I'm thinking about 289 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: mass incarceration. I'm thinking about private policing. I'm thinking about 290 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: the massive amounts of money in the detention deportation industrial complex. 291 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of talk right now about abolition. 292 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: Let's just use that term abolition. What does it mean 293 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: to you and how does it apply to the moment 294 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: and the institutions that we're confronting right now? And do 295 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: you use the term abolition in regards to these institutions. 296 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: Yes, I certainly do. I am an abolitionist, and I 297 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: use the term abolition I think historically, and so one 298 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: of the ways that scholars and organizers have helped us 299 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: to understand our contemporary crisis is to understand how we 300 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: got here. First there was enslavement, and then there was 301 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: Jim Crow, and now there's the new Jim Crow mass incarceration. 302 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: It's that historical trajectory that we have to keep in 303 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: mind when we're tackling mass incarcer It's not just about 304 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: reforming enslavement, reforming Jim Crow, right, It's about abolition and 305 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: building up new systems and structures that create the possibilities 306 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: for thriving lives. We have yet to do that in 307 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: this country, right because at the end of enslavement we 308 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: get a period of emancipation, which led to Jim Crow. 309 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: At the end of Jim Crow, we had the Civil 310 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: Rights movement, which led into the age of mass incarceration. 311 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: We have yet to fully invest in the well being, 312 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: in the health and the possibilities of bike POC lives 313 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: and queer folks in this country. We've got to begin 314 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: to do that for the very first time, and in 315 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: the path of doing that, we will defund the police 316 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: right that they have sucked up too much of the resources. 317 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 1: They have sucked up the logic of our safety when 318 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: in fact police do not keep us safe. Schools keep 319 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: us safe. Employment keeps us safe, Housing keeps us safe. 320 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: Tackling core cultural issues around patriarchy and sexual violence will 321 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: keep us safe. 322 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: There is a lot of activism around creating solidarity among 323 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: Latinos and Latinas and the African American community black organizers, 324 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: because really, if you think about a new administration coming 325 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: into power, this would be a kind of essential power 326 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: coalition if African Americans and Latinos get together on the 327 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: issues of mass incarceration, mass detention, and mass deportation. So 328 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: what are you seen on the ground? 329 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: I see incredible movement within, for example, the movement for 330 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: Black Lives. I see an extraordinary capacity to think about 331 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: all of the structures of racialized harm that run from 332 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: our local jails, to our state prisons, to our immigrant 333 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: detention facilities, and a new openness to understanding immigration control 334 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: has a black issue, one around the high rates of 335 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: black deportation, but also acknowledgment of black Latin X communities 336 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: as part of the larger Black community. I am hopeful 337 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: that we are going to do this and walk this 338 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: path together. 339 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: So we're going to pause here for a moment, because 340 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 2: Million Dollar Hoods is about more than just data and reports. 341 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: It's also about doing this work in the community. Kelly's 342 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: been working with young people, many of who have been 343 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: impacted by the criminal justice system themselves. So after speaking 344 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: with Kelly, we decided to reach out to some of 345 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 2: her students and here's a little bit of what they 346 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: had to share about how this project has impacted their 347 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: lives and how it's inspired their own work. 348 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 5: Now, my name iss Michelle Servan. I'm a fourth year undergrad. 349 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 5: I have had close loved ones that have been in 350 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 5: the cursoral system. We're currently are in the cursoral system. 351 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 5: So as a student, I use ce LA. That's something 352 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 5: that really shapes the work that I do, and I 353 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 5: think that's actually one of my favorite memories of undergrad 354 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 5: We read this book about this woman who talks about 355 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: her experience in the carcoral system and how she created 356 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 5: this community organization for formally incarcerated women in LA. So 357 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 5: that book gave me an idea to create a map 358 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 5: of different resources in LA, like different food banks, different shelters, 359 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 5: free Wi Fi, all these different resources for people who 360 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 5: are re entering. And I remember I went to Professor 361 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 5: Hernandez to show her, and when I showed her the map, 362 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 5: we both started crying. It was so beautiful to take 363 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 5: something that we read about and see it come to life. 364 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 5: I realized that they had given me the skills to 365 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 5: produce things that people can use. I want to have 366 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 5: learned how to do that or got in that inspiration 367 00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 5: without million dollars. 368 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 6: My name is Andrew Gerredro with a million dollar hoods. 369 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 6: I was a policy fellow and a oral historian. I 370 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 6: grew up in East LA with family members in and 371 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 6: out of jail and then a prison, and some of 372 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 6: my earliest memories are visiting jails in prisons throughout California. 373 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 6: The data, it's like quantitative proof of our experience. I 374 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 6: see studies all the time of oh police stop black 375 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 6: drivers at disproportion of rates, Like these are things we 376 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 6: already knew. It's just that it may be seen as 377 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 6: more legitimate when done through these academic institutions. During one 378 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 6: of the weeks, Kelly was talking about like the rise 379 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 6: of mass incarceration. She held up a book by a 380 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 6: professor from Harvard and she's like, each one of you 381 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 6: could write this book. And when she said that, I 382 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 6: truly believed her. 383 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: Kelly's students also talked about how their vision of abolition 384 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: had been shared by the project. 385 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 7: My name is Terry Allen. I serve as the director 386 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 7: of Oral Histories. I think one big piece of Kelly's 387 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 7: just mentorship and her guidance is allowing us to choose 388 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 7: our own abolition journey. And I think for me, through 389 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 7: my experience with MDH, it has led me. 390 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: To pursue law schooling. 391 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 7: When I think about my abolition work, I think about 392 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 7: how there are laws in place that are perpetuating and 393 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 7: that are maintaining the structural inequalities. So I'm big on 394 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 7: how do we become experts in our own field and 395 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 7: how do we use those skills and knowledge to not 396 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 7: only impart knowledge into our community members, but also to 397 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 7: change to fix the system. 398 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 8: My name is Corbenfelder. I'm a graduate student researcher. The 399 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 8: system's not going to go away tomorrow, and for the 400 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 8: people that are stuck in it, we need to make 401 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 8: things better for them immediately, with the long term goal 402 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 8: of getting rid of the systems that hold them. So. 403 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 8: For me, abolition is more of a process, and I 404 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 8: think it's about what you do on a day to 405 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 8: day basis. 406 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 5: For a lot of us who are doing like work 407 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 5: within institutions is just reshaping the narrative from reformists to actually, 408 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 5: how can this bring me a step closer to abolition? 409 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 6: To me, abolition means accountability. To me, abolition means justice. 410 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 6: Striving for justice means work, a lot of work. 411 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 7: I remain hopeful because I'm still doing the work. I 412 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 7: think MDH is like the root of my hope. I'm 413 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 7: excited because MDH is only just beginning. 414 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: Back now to my conversation with Kelly Leedel Hernandez, Kelly, 415 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 2: you work with some pretty amazing young people, and I'm wondering, 416 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: what is that feeling when you're in a room with 417 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: all of them, Because certainly you're inspiring them, but you're 418 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: getting inspired and learning from them too, So what's that like? 419 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: To me? The most beautiful thing about Million Dollar Hoods 420 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: is how collective the project is, and it really is 421 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: a place where people who have experienced the greatest harms 422 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: of policing and incarceration, can come and author our own 423 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: stories about what is happening, at what consequence and at 424 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: what cost, and can confront the state on those issues. 425 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: One of the reports that we did with students, which 426 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: was called Policing Our Students, and we use the LA 427 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: Unified School Police data to document the trends in policing 428 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: at our schools here in LA, and we showed a 429 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: couple of things. One out of four of all the 430 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: people arrested by the school police was a child who 431 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: was an elementary school or middle school. It's quite possible 432 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: that data analysts who don't know that experience would have 433 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 1: dismissed that data. That can't be possible, right, we cannot 434 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: be locking up children as young as nine. But our students, 435 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: who have the lived experience, knew how to direct us, 436 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: ask questions and query the data, and so they're the 437 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: ones who really help us to understand what's going on. 438 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: And what we found was something so extraordinary and instructive 439 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: about what's happening on a day to day basis at 440 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: our schools that that report ended up becoming quite significant 441 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: and useful to community members who are already had a 442 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: campaign going to strip down and shrink, if not abolish, 443 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles School Police. 444 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: So one of the reasons since why Million Dollar Hoods 445 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: is such a powerful project is because it actually visualizes 446 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: how we're spending our resources currently, and then you ask 447 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: us to imagine a world where we actually invest in 448 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: communities of color instead, and that investment has a name. 449 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: It's called reparations. So I want you to explain how 450 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: you're using this data to talk about reparations and how 451 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 2: this fits into your vision of abolition. 452 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: So a million Dollar Hoods. Another thing that we're doing 453 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: is we're developing in an equation for reparations, and we're 454 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: taking everything into account in terms of what has been 455 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: extracted from our communities, certainly during this age of mass incarceration. 456 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: We are quantifying what has been extracted and fines and 457 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: fees from our families, what has been stripped from our 458 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: communities in the form of bail bond deposits, what we 459 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: have lost in the form of suppressed wages and wasted 460 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: time behind jail bars and prison bars. We are quantifying 461 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: how much our families have lost when our caregivers have 462 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: been deported and removed from our families. So we're doing 463 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: all of this and we're working with community to literally 464 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: bring in the receipts about what has been denied and 465 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: taken from us. For us to be able to move forward, 466 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: a reset is not enough. We have to redress the 467 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: harms that have been done, the assets that have been taken, 468 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: the loved ones we have lost in the form of 469 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: deportation and police killings and police violence, and all of 470 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: that needs to be taken in account, needs to be 471 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: brought into the light, and only then what would be 472 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: able to be in a position to imagine our way out. 473 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: So this equation for reparations is really significant because it's 474 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: what stands between us and that possibility of helping whites 475 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: of I must say to mutate into the future. And 476 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: so million dollar Hoods is something that wakes me up 477 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: in the morning and gets me excited to do the 478 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: work because we do that together. And as we all know, 479 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this is about building power, It is about 480 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: community organizing. This is about making sure we have the 481 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: capacity to build the lives and communities that we want 482 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: to live and live in. So it's an honor to 483 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: do that work. 484 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: Kelly, thank you so much for speaking with us. I'm 485 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: not you know USA, and again, thank you for all 486 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: of your academic work. We really appreciate it. 487 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure to 488 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: be with you. 489 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Julia Rocha and edited by 490 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: Andrea Lopez Grusado. Special thanks to Terry Allen, Michelle Servin, 491 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: Andrew Guerrero, and Corbinfelder, Kelly's students and collaborators at the 492 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: Million Dollar Hoods Project. The Latino USA team includes Niel Massis, 493 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 2: Julietta Martinelli, Alises garce, Alejandra Selesad and Reinaldo Leagnos Junior, 494 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: with help from Marta Martinez and Raoul Berez. 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I cannot go through whatever's about 514 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: to happen without a new tortilla press. 515 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: I'm Madeojosa. Next time on Latino USA. A conversation with 516 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 2: a former police chief who's now the elected incoming District 517 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: Attorney for the County of Los Angeles, the first Latino 518 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 2: ever to hold that position. A conversation with George Gascon 519 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: Next time, I'll let the new USA