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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it punt? Is it put? Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: it's put. DeAndre Hopkins pot Hey put it for dockdown.

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Speaker 1: Problem solved, up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty. Writer rights, the latest

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Speaker 1: news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker Like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: and nobody here's Paul Calvici. Well let's see here. On

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Speaker 1: this fine day in April, it marks two anniversaries on

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Speaker 1: Number one, as pointed out and covered in fine fashion

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Speaker 1: on Acy Cardinals dot Com. Not sure, honestly if it

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Speaker 1: was by Darren Urban or Kyle Odegard, but the anniversary

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Speaker 1: that Reggie White decided to go from the Eagles to

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Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, Darren was at you who wrote that.

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Speaker 1: It was me who wrote that. And I do want

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Speaker 1: to give a hat tip to Mark Dalton, the fine

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Speaker 1: vice president of media relations who tied me up, the

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Speaker 1: longtime Eagles fan who was probably crushed in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: three when Reggie White decided to leave the Eagles. For

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Speaker 1: all I know, Mark Dalton was working as a intern

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Speaker 1: for the Eagles at that point. I don't remember if

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Speaker 1: he had gotten there yet, but yeah, he teamed me

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Speaker 1: up on the anniversary and it just made a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense, obviously because of JJ Watt. That's right. I

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Speaker 1: forgot about the Philly factor. Yes, for the Philly native

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Speaker 1: Mark Dalton, who was just out of college. JJ Watt

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Speaker 1: was some four years of age when his first real

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Speaker 1: hero in sports, Reggie White, went to his hometown, or

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Speaker 1: at least the state of Wisconsin, the Packers. And so

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Speaker 1: that's all good, Kyle, But you know, I can't believe

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Speaker 1: nobody in this most definitely was not onasy Cardinals dot com.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there has been a failure of vacuum

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Speaker 1: of coverage when it comes to the other happening in

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Speaker 1: this fine day April sixth, nineteen ninety three, but the

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Speaker 1: subsequent year nineteen ninety four, which of course is remembered

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Speaker 1: for the live ESPN two telecasts where Jim Everett overturned

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Speaker 1: Jim Everett who was going to take out a piece

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Speaker 1: quite literally a Jim Rome on live TV at that moment. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 1: this same date, nineteen ninety four, and I thought that

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Speaker 1: might be somewhat of an appropriate introduction because that's basically

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Speaker 1: where we left off last week on Cardinals Underground. And

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the social distancing playing the role

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Speaker 1: this episode of Cardinals underground. So I just thought that

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Speaker 1: somehow was fitting that a week later, you know what,

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Speaker 1: that we will pick We will not pick up where

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Speaker 1: Jim Rome and Jim Evert left off here on Cardinals

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Speaker 1: owner ground. That is our promise. This week. We had

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Speaker 1: a very nice conversation, maybe got a little bit heated

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Speaker 1: We were just debating some football personally. I don't know

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Speaker 1: I should say, you know, paul a pacifist over here.

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Speaker 1: It was a spirited disagreement, okay. So our mission, Darren,

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Speaker 1: as productive as Reggie White was with the Packers at

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals offseason and the big, big, big splash. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: are they done between now and the draft? Do you

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Speaker 1: but I think the pressure is pretty big that they

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Speaker 1: get something really good with it and it and that's

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Speaker 1: more for the future than maybe necessarily twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: You're right, that's exactly where I'm driving the known versus

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Speaker 1: the unknown and just to percent hit rate really across

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Speaker 1: the NFL on a lot of first round picks as

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Speaker 1: opposed to dealing that first round pick. And for example,

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Speaker 1: I called up the eight Pro Bowl cornerbacks from this

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Speaker 1: past season. Now, look, you're not getting Jalen Ramsey and

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Speaker 1: you're not getting Tradavious White. I'm throwing those out right

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Speaker 1: off the top. Xavien Howard of their Dolphins, what about

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Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmore older massive contract? Not sure that's the other

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Speaker 1: end of it. Not sure if that's number sixteen. Might

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Speaker 1: be paying too much for a Stefan Gilmore, But I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe the Ravens are in love with a

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Speaker 1: guy and all of a sudden they want number sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and they're saying, here's Marlon Humphrey. Saints have serious cap

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Speaker 1: issues right now. Still do Marshawn Lattimore for your number sixteen?

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Speaker 1: Pick overall, that's mighty tempting to me, Kyle, considering at

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Speaker 1: number sixteen, the degree of uncertainty there as to what

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Speaker 1: you're getting, especially in the rookie year, is significant off

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Speaker 1: where to me, you have to consider that A and

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Speaker 1: then B, this is the only time in history at

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Speaker 1: Kyla Murray's contract you're going to be able to consider

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Speaker 1: that at this point in the off season. That's the

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Speaker 1: other end of my point. Yeah, Normally I would say,

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Speaker 1: Sam slam the book shut. I'm not even having this

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Speaker 1: conversation about trading a first round pick because it goes

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Speaker 1: against everything philosophically I would do as a GM being

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Speaker 1: an analytics guy. But I agree with you where if

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Speaker 1: there was one year where they did it and it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me, it would be this season, or it

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Speaker 1: could also be next season as well. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: we foreshadowed this going into free agency, like the Rodney

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Speaker 1: Hudson trade was not a surprise at all to us,

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Speaker 1: because we knew they were probably going to be aggressive

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Speaker 1: and getting JJ Watt and Malcolm Butler and AJ Green

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Speaker 1: like they might. I mean, Steve Kaine might not be

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Speaker 1: pushing all of his chips in, but he's certainly been

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Speaker 1: more aggressive this offseason than he usually is, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's a testament to where they are with Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray's rookie con track. So it certainly wouldn't stun me.

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Speaker 1: Especially if a Pro Bowl cornerback is available and you

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Speaker 1: feel like that's the last missing piece for this roster,

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Speaker 1: then it could happen. But I'm also looking at the

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Speaker 1: NFC West knowing that, man, there's a lot of talent

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Speaker 1: in this division, and you went eight and eight last year.

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Speaker 1: You weren't ten and six or eleven and five, and

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Speaker 1: you didn't win a playoff game type thing. So you

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Speaker 1: have to really believe in your ability to go from

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Speaker 1: eight and eight to a Super Bowl contender in the

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Speaker 1: best division in football in order to really go all

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Speaker 1: in like that and give up the first round pick.

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Speaker 1: So it would be a gamble. But if any position

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Speaker 1: makes sense, I totally agree for a Pro Bowl cornerback

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Speaker 1: would be the move. Let's face it, the only reason

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Speaker 1: you don't want to slam the book right now and

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Speaker 1: you want to agree with Paul is because you're trying

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Speaker 1: to avoid fisticuffs. I think that's we've we've figured that

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Speaker 1: out for the time being, it's all about the love

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Speaker 1: fest today. No, Darren's the instigator, you know, as com

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Speaker 1: pointed out, you know there was a spirited debate, there

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Speaker 1: was no threat of violence. This was not the Jim

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Speaker 1: Rome Jim Everett Kype type of thing over there. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, well, I was about to pay

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Speaker 1: Darren a compliment. I'm thinking about retracting it now here

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals under Ground, brought you by Pacific Office Automation,

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Speaker 1: prom partner of the Arizona Cardinals. I was about to

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Speaker 1: say that in the absence of Steve Kim, the next

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Speaker 1: best thing on this podcast is Darren Irban, who's been

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Speaker 1: talking to Steve Kim. And here's my question, so you

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Speaker 1: can role play here, Darren. Sure, Cardinals and Niners are

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Speaker 1: the only two teams in the division with a first

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Speaker 1: round pick this year. And then I was just paid

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Speaker 1: through the nose to go up to number three with

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Speaker 1: their hyper aggressive, slash desperate move, giving away two first

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Speaker 1: rounders in the next couple of years and a third

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Speaker 1: round pick to go from twelve to three. Seahawks threw

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Speaker 1: without a first round pick in the near future because

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Speaker 1: they had the Jamal Adams trade, among other moves. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the fact that Cardinals have a first round pick

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Speaker 1: this year and they're the only team in the division

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Speaker 1: with a first round pick next year, is that a

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Speaker 1: competitive advantage that you think the GM wants to hang

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Speaker 1: onto H Well, I mean when you say if it's

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Speaker 1: one he wants to hang on to, like as opposed

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Speaker 1: to trade it away, I mean, I don't think anything

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Speaker 1: is being ruled out if the right deal came along,

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Speaker 1: or something came along where you're like, why why would I,

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Speaker 1: you know, not do that. I mean, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: think of something off the top of my head of

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Speaker 1: of what it would be. But you know, if some

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Speaker 1: crazy defensive player he became available and that team said

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Speaker 1: I just need your number one pick from twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one and maybe a fifth round pick, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be like, well, I'm the only I'm the

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Speaker 1: only GM in the division with a number one pick,

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Speaker 1: our first round pick. I'm not going to give it up,

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Speaker 1: certainly not. But I think it can be an advantage.

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Speaker 1: I think this where this division is going. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Kyle just talked about it. It's like this division is

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Speaker 1: the best division in football. I don't think there's any

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Speaker 1: question about it, and I think that's only become more

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Speaker 1: apparent this offseason. However, I think the window for this

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Speaker 1: division being the best foot division of football could close

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Speaker 1: quickly because you don't know what's going to happen long term.

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Speaker 1: With Russell Wilson in Seattle, the forty nine ers are

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Speaker 1: rolling the dice, giving up those picks for a hope

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Speaker 1: for franchise quarterback who looks like it. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: don't know who it's going to be exactly, but as

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Speaker 1: we all know, quarterbacks even early in the draft bust out,

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Speaker 1: and if they end up with a bust out quarterback,

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Speaker 1: they could be in trouble. And the Rams are on

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Speaker 1: the back end of whatever the window they're going to

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Speaker 1: be in because they're paying so much to certain defenders

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Speaker 1: and they've got their quarterback is now a lot older

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Speaker 1: than it was three months ago. So I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams we talk about pushing the chips in,

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Speaker 1: I think all the other I think the Seahawks for sure,

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Speaker 1: and the Rams definitely have pushed their chips in. So

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it can be an advantage for this

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Speaker 1: team if the Cardinals leverage those picks for young talent

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Speaker 1: that stick. I mean, as we've already talked about, you've

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Speaker 1: got to be able to hit on that first round

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Speaker 1: pick to have it be worth that leverage. So, with

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Speaker 1: that being the case, the competitive balance in the NFC

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Speaker 1: West until his division in the NFL right now, and

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Speaker 1: then considering the other hyper aggressive moves made by the

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Speaker 1: other three teams in the division, A big part of

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Speaker 1: me right now, Kyle wonders should the Cardinals have even

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Speaker 1: more urgency this offseason to continue moving the meter just

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Speaker 1: based on looking over the block wall into their neighbor's backyards.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they've certainly been aggressive. You paid J. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt a bunch of money, you traded a draft pick,

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Speaker 1: and for Rodney Hudson, who you're paying a decent amount

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Speaker 1: of money. I mean, there's only so much you can

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Speaker 1: do before you get reckless with it and you're just

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Speaker 1: throwing money out there to guys that don't deserve it.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like Steve Kim had his foot on

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Speaker 1: the gas throughout the off season, and I also feel

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Speaker 1: like you're at a spot the rest of this offseason

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Speaker 1: where if something presents itself, and we've seen it in

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Speaker 1: past years with Antonio Brown coming up and changing teams,

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Speaker 1: and like, weird stuff happens in the offseason and guys

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Speaker 1: become available that you didn't think because of their contract

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Speaker 1: situations or unhappiness or whatever. So the Cardinals could be

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Speaker 1: primed to be one of those teams. And I think

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Speaker 1: back to like Jalen Ramsey when he was unhappy in Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: and people always said the Cardinals should go after Jalen Ramsey,

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't quite their time yet because they were

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Speaker 1: too early in the rebuilding process. But I agree with

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Speaker 1: you were there at that point. Now where if a

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Speaker 1: superstar comes available, I think the Cardinals will be one

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Speaker 1: of those teams in the mix, and they'll be willing

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Speaker 1: to deal their first round pick if it's worth it

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Speaker 1: for that type of superstar. And I don't think you

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Speaker 1: can do it for a guy that isn't at that

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Speaker 1: level because first round picks are so valuable. But I

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Speaker 1: agree where the Cardinals will be aggressive if if it

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Speaker 1: presents itself, Like when Rodney Hudson came on the trade market,

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Speaker 1: Steve Kin is like, Okay, I will give up my

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Speaker 1: third round pick for this Pro Bowl Center, no questions asked,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure he'll kind of stay on that wavelength

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Speaker 1: for these next two seasons. And you're right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a point at which aggression becomes reckless, and we

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Speaker 1: talked about it last week. To me, the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers given up two first round picks and a third

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Speaker 1: rounder then swapping this year in return for Trey Lance

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Speaker 1: or Justin Fields, I mean, to me, that's that's beyond aggressive.

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Speaker 1: To me, that's reckless, that's desperate. Mac Jones, Jones. Possibly,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing everybody keeps talking about. Get in line, guys,

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Speaker 1: Darrell Daniels has the next punch on Paul. Now it's

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance and Mac Jones. The list is getting longer,

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Speaker 1: Dustin Fields, So you know, I'll continue to be Paul

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Speaker 1: a pandemic here at Kasa KALBSI to like without a

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Speaker 1: witness protection. Put it that way, it's sort of like

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Speaker 1: the state of the stock market right now. You guys,

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Speaker 1: tell me if this is an app comparison the stock

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Speaker 1: markets at all time eyes, All these penny stocks are

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Speaker 1: at all time eyes. It's like the dot com era

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Don't ask me how I lost money

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Speaker 1: in web ban. I still blame my buddies in the

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Speaker 1: Silicon Valley google it all. There's this analyst guy and

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Speaker 1: he must have been he must have been eighty years old,

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Speaker 1: and he had all the perspective in the world. And

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Speaker 1: he said, look, all these people are piling into the

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Speaker 1: stock market mindlessly, and it's a recipe for disaster. And

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Speaker 1: it always sends in an avalanche. And remember, and he

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Speaker 1: paused for effect, avalanches go downhill. It's a very worrisome sign.

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Speaker 1: And so some of these ultra aggressive moves to me,

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Speaker 1: remind me of that dot Com era in the stock market.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're just piling in thinking I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: that quarterback. Well, that top three quarterback isn't automatically going

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Speaker 1: to be the answer to your problems. It might ultimately

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Speaker 1: set back your franchise a decade. The New York Jets

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Speaker 1: just traded there's sixth straight first round pick. Think about that.

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Speaker 1: You know, the headline on the back of the New

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Speaker 1: York Post sports page screams, scram Darnald right, get out

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Speaker 1: of town. And so they're hitting the reset button again.

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Speaker 1: It's far from a panacea, Darren, to make these moves

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Speaker 1: and think that's going to be the answer. No, and there,

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Speaker 1: and there's already a list of these top three cornerbacks

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Speaker 1: that teams traded a boatload of picks for it to

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Speaker 1: get to, whether it's Jared Goff or Carson Wentz or

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Speaker 1: RG three or Sam Darnald, and they're already on their

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Speaker 1: second teams because they didn't pan out. Now, I will

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Speaker 1: say this, there's there's two thoughts to it we can

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Speaker 1: talk about, and you're right, we can talk all day

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Speaker 1: about it's not necessarily a panacea. But if you're not winning,

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Speaker 1: you're not winning. And there is there is a thing

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Speaker 1: about sunk cost ultimately, and you've got to move on.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals are a great example. They trade it up

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Speaker 1: to get Josh Rosen to get ten. They were in

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00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: a position the next year to get a quarterback they

644
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: thought was better. Well, I mean, do you do you

645
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: hang out to Josh Rosen? I mean, it's so easy

646
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: to be afraid of being too aggressive because of the

647
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: future or whatever. But the other reality is, Paul, is

648
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: if you don't get better quickly, and if you already

649
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: see that that quarterback that you took or the roster

650
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: you've built isn't going to work, you better do everything

651
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: in your power very quickly to get it changed up

652
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: because you're not going to be around anyways. And so

653
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: there's a fine line. And I agree with you one

654
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: hundred percent that you can be too aggressive, but there

655
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: is there is a certain feeling, like especially today's NFL,

656
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: where there is no waiting and there is no drafting

657
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: a quarterback and letting him sit two years so he

658
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: can be ready. I mean, that's just not the deal

659
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: you got to You gotta swing for the fence. You

660
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: got to draft a quarterback. He's most of the time,

661
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: it better in the top five, not even the top ten,

662
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: the top five, and you better hope you hit on them.

663
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: And you're not always going to And when you're eighty

664
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: years old and you're telling your grandchildren about that time

665
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: you spend as GM, you better hope you did. Otherwise

666
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: you're just one of those guys that failed and at

667
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: least you got a chance to be a gem in

668
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: the NFL. But sometimes it's not always about I mean

669
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: to me, it's not always about how smart you are.

670
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: The draft is such a crapshoot in so many ways.

671
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: There are people that make mistakes. There are gms that

672
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: are better than others, but Ultimately, I feel like it's

673
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. It feels very much the

674
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: luck of the draw and the greatest GMS, maybe not

675
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: the very greatest, but the ones just below that, the

676
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: better than average ones, the difference between them and the

677
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: guys that failed, and nobody ever is ever going to

678
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: remember them. I don't think there's that much difference. I

679
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: think it's just the luck of the draw. Well, to

680
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: your point, are Jim Momanro just texted this stat Since

681
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, twenty nine quarterbacks have been top

682
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: ten picks. Twenty nine quarterbacks since two thousand and six

683
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: selected in the top ten. Only Patrick Mahomes, Matt Ryan,

684
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: and Cam Newton have made first team All Pro. Only

685
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: Mahomes has won the Super Bowl. So there you go

686
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: to your point. Now, you know it's you look at

687
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: this and you say to yourself, all right, And speaking

688
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: of this sort of precedent, Dave Pash tweeted something out

689
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: and you know it was an astute observation by the

690
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: Voice of the Cardinals. In between his Bill Walton tweets

691
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: going viral, he took some time and he made a

692
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: really good point about, you know what the Cardinals did

693
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: with Josh Rosen to Kyler Murray and set the recent

694
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: modern day precedent that you know what, you can move

695
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: on from a franchise quarterback you took in the top

696
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: ten after one year, you consider it as sunk cost,

697
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: and if you think you're upgrading, boom, you pull the

698
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: plug and move on. And the Jets did just that. Yeah,

699
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's batting an eye at what the

700
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: Jets did, and I think it was clearly the right move.

701
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: You got some draft capital back, Like Darren said, it's

702
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: a sunk cost, so even though you didn't get the

703
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: equivalent of what you spent, you still got something. And

704
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: now you get a rookie quarterback and this much talked

705
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: about rookie deal where you've got the four seasons and

706
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: kind of a fifth to really make a run and

707
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: stockpile weapons around him. So I'm totally on board for

708
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: this way of building a team. I've been a broken

709
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: record about it for a long time. I think it's

710
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: the way to go. And that's why I don't fault

711
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers like I did not like the

712
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams trade for Seattle because I wouldn't trade a

713
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: first round pick for a safety, But I would trade

714
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: draft capital for a quarterback because if you hit on him,

715
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: then you're set up so well for his four seasons

716
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: on a rookie deal and with as good as the

717
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: San Francisco roster is right now, if you get a

718
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: good quarterback right there, I mean, that's a Super Bowl contender.

719
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: So I completely understand the thought process. But like you said, Paul,

720
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: they have to be confident in their evaluations and they

721
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: have to nail the pick. Because even if you're confident

722
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: in what you see and you feel like there's three

723
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks in this draft, there probably aren't, and you're

724
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: hoping that the third guy is and somebody ahead of

725
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: you messed up. So we'll see how it goes. I

726
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: completely agree with the thought process, but it's a crapshoot,

727
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens once they draft somebody well,

728
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: and if they stay at number sixteen, we all expect

729
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: him to stay at sixteen. I mean, Kyle, is it

730
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: is it beyond rational expectations to think, you know what,

731
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: they better get some instant help from that guy. They

732
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: take a number sixteen, whether it's a corner, whether it's

733
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: you know that receiver somehow falls to them they're in

734
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: love with it. Perhaps an edge rusher of some sort.

735
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: We know in the first round this Steve Time is

736
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: always the opinion you take quarterback, cornerback, left tackle, or

737
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: edge rusher. So I mean, at number sixteen, should we

738
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: start banking now on penciling that guy in and getting

739
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: an immediate return on investment From a position standpoint. I

740
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily say those positions because at sixteen, I don't

741
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: think you're automatically gonna take one of those guys. I

742
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: think it could be any position, because sometimes you're looking

743
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: at the fourth best offensive tackle compared to the best

744
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: tight end or something like that, the best running back,

745
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: the best safety, and you have to weigh all those factors.

746
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: But I do think the immediacy impact type thing, I

747
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: think that is legitimate because you think back to a

748
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: few years ago and DJ Humphries was drafted when the

749
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: Cardinals were a great team and he didn't play at

750
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: all as a rookie, but he didn't need to. And

751
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: then Robert Kimdici was drafted and they obviously wanted him

752
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: to produce more, but they weren't counting on him coming

753
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: in as a rookie and being a game wrecker. And

754
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you need this number sixteen overall pick

755
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: to be a dominant player in year one, but I

756
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: think they would like to get more out of them

757
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: than they did Isaiah Simmons a season ago. I think

758
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: you want this rookie on the field more because the

759
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: expectations are going to be so high this season. And

760
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: maybe it's not games one through eight, but when you

761
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: get to that second half of the season, kind of

762
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: that David Johnson type impact from twenty and fifteen, where

763
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: you can spot this guy in you can see how

764
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: good he is in practice. Let's make sure mentally he

765
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, and then we have this interesting

766
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: chip that we can bring in and add to the

767
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: fold in the second half of the season. I think

768
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: ideally that's what you can get out of your first

769
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: round pick this season. Yeah, and make a mistake the players.

770
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: If we're actually in camp and able to actually converse

771
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: with the players, you'll know. You'll know halfway through camp.

772
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean you guys, remember Tyn Matthew was drafted. It

773
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: was heck, it was the off season, and there was

774
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: already a buzz. What Tyron Matthew was doing during mini

775
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 1: camp and some of the OTAs it was halfway through

776
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: Cardinals camp, even though we had dealt with a hamstring,

777
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: where players are already talking about David Johnson, the rookie

778
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: and the first preseason game that he was actually able

779
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: to play in, which I think was the second preseason

780
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: game David Johnson and I still vividly remember the players

781
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: getting off the bench making their way to the white stripe.

782
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: They wanted to see David Johnson when he got into

783
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: the game. That's when you know that a rookie has

784
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: the veteran's eye when they get off the bench in

785
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: a preseason game, put down the sunflower seats and want

786
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: to get a front row look for themselves. And to me,

787
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: that's what the Cardinals need. They can't afford a Dj

788
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: Humphreys who doesn't contribute in year one. You can't be

789
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers who trade up and get Jordan

790
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: Love and he's third string all year. This is no

791
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: time for that sort of first round rookie. Ye Buddha

792
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: Baker wasn't even there for offseason workouts. He comes in

793
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: and training camp and it took him a little bit,

794
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: but you realize athletically like this guy's legit. So you're right, Paul,

795
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: you can those special talents. You can see very quickly

796
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: that they're going to be stars. See I will say this,

797
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: I would say that could they use somebody, especially if

798
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: as a cornerback, Do you need somebody who can kind

799
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: of step in right away and do some things. Yes.

800
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: I hesitate when I said when you said they can't

801
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: afford it because ultimately, because I always think this around

802
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: the draft class and I know people get upset about

803
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: the first round picks with this team and a lot

804
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: of times, but I always think to myself as we're

805
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: doing the draft coverage and maybe this is this is

806
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: just a personal issue with me. Might get off my

807
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: lawn moment. But I'm like, when we start talking about

808
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: this team in training camp, like we're always going to

809
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: talk about the first round pick because people are interested.

810
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: But when we talk about the direction this team is

811
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: going to end up this season, it's almost never the

812
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: first round pick, even if he's gonna play right away.

813
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: It's about whether in this case, Kyler Murray plays well,

814
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: or DeAndre Hopkins or j J. Watt or Malcolm Butler

815
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: or how Jordan Hicks does this year. I mean, it's

816
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: those guys are going to have a lot more impact

817
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: on the direction this team ends up going than anybody

818
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: they take in the draft or in the first round. Now,

819
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: you might luck out and have one of those draftees

820
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: make a good impact right away, but I would still

821
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: argue that it's still more important that all your veterans

822
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: do their jobs, and anything you get from the draft

823
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: class tends to be gravy. To me, the draft class

824
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: is about getting those younger players so as you move forward,

825
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: they're on those cheaper contracts. I guess I end up

826
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: somewhere in between. Definitely not more vital than DeAndre Hopkins,

827
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: JJ Watt, Chandler Jones coming back. But I think in

828
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: the NFC West, that first round pick has got to

829
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: be more than gravy. You know. If you're in the

830
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: NFC East, okay, maybe, but I think there are expectations,

831
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: rightfully so and necessarily so. I believe with this number

832
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: sixteen pick, especially where they sit right now, and they

833
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: do have at least two pretty big needs on that

834
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: depth chart tight end you can mask and get away with,

835
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: and you have Max Williams, But right now, to me,

836
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: corner and running back. Those are two areas. You better

837
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: have a dressed by the time you get to mid May.

838
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: I know I agree with that, but again, it may

839
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: or may not be the draft. I mean, the thing

840
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: that scares the Jesus side of me is if they

841
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: get to sixteen and they decide we have to have

842
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: a cornerback, and then they take a cornerback who may

843
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: or may not be any good. And even if you

844
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: get a guy who's serviceable for the next five six years,

845
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to spend the sixteenth

846
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: pick on that. Well, guess what the Cardinals did that

847
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: twenty two years ago when they took the Iowa corner Tommy, Tommy,

848
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: remember that ninth bad and they reached. It was a

849
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: reach back in the day. They did it in two

850
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, was it two thousand and eight or

851
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, when they took Cody Brown, the

852
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: pass rusher out of Yukon in the second round. They

853
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: needed a pass rusher so bad they way reached and

854
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: he was a complete washout. And I've talked to people

855
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: and they've admitted they knew they were reaching when they

856
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: took him, and they needed him so badly, and that's

857
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: just and you can't. You can't do that. I think

858
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: a lot of it depends too on what position they take,

859
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: because you're right, Paul, if they take a running back

860
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: and maybe it's a sixteen, maybe they trade down and

861
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: into the twenties and take a running back. But if

862
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: you take a running back in the first round, that

863
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: guy is going to see a lot of playing time

864
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: right off the bat if it's a different position, especially

865
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: if it's like offensive line like last year, Josh Jones

866
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: never really had a chance of seeing the field even

867
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: as a third round pick because of his position. But

868
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: running back, tight end, if if Kyle Pitts does happen

869
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: to fall, if one of those wide receivers happens to fall,

870
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: if if you weren't counting on a Jalen Waddle or

871
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: whoever Advante Smith, but they're there and you want them,

872
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: then I feel like, yeah, it's I agree with Paul,

873
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: like you're at this tipping point in roster building where

874
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: you've got two years where it's very important to be

875
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: competitive and you do need more than gray fee from

876
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: that first round pick. If it's at a position where

877
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: you need some extra help. So I think we'll see

878
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: what they do and what the position looks like. But

879
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: I agree where this year feels like more so than

880
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: in past years, where if you can get an impact

881
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: guy early that could be important for twenty twenty one

882
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty two. I just want to jump in here, Kyle,

883
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: and I really wish you wouldn't get our listeners all

884
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: riled up because Kyle Pitts is not going to be

885
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: there at sixteen. I'm willing to wager a large amount

886
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: of money on it if I was actually somebody who

887
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: would wager, which I never would do. He's not. I

888
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: was just gonna wait. I was just gonna bring that

889
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: up because I thought it was conspicuous by the fact

890
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: that both of you have mentioned over the course of

891
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation prop

892
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals out of Nowhere, unprompted, both

893
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: of you have mentioned the possibility of Kyle Pits falling

894
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals at number sixteen. Am I missing something?

895
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: Are you guys reporting something? One of you do spend

896
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: time talking to the GM at length. What sposed to

897
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: discern from the fact you've both now dropped. Kyle Pits

898
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: falling in the draft. Theoretically, to the Cardinals, Kyle Pitts

899
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: is unlikely to fall to number sixteen. And if you

900
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: look at every skill player individually, Jamar Chase is Jamar's

901
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: first name. I think he's unlikely to drop to sixteen.

902
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: Davante Smith unlikely to drop. But you talk about four

903
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: pretty premium skill players and look at how many quarterbacks

904
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 1: are gonna go in the top ten. So somebody's gonna

905
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: be at sixteen. Last year, we didn't think Ceedee Lamb

906
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: and Jerry Judy were gonna drop as fall as far

907
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: as they did. And the year Johnny Manziel came out,

908
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: people did not think the Cardinals could have taken Johnny

909
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: Manziel if they wanted him, and they didn't want him,

910
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: and they didn't take him. But he fell so especially

911
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. He did so well at Pro Day. I'm

912
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: sure he'll be gone. But when there's four premium skill

913
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: players and you're at sixteen and you know probably five

914
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are gonna go ahead of you, I mean, start

915
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: doing the map. There's gonna be some player that drops,

916
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: and somebody's gonna be available that you might not have

917
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: thought Isaiah Simmons last year, you guys didn't think he'd

918
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: be at seven and he ended up there. All that,

919
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: All that being said, All that being said, I while

920
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: I did talk to Steve Kim and he did not

921
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: mention any of the potential draftees at all, we really

922
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: didn't talk much about in the draft per seum. I

923
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: feel confident in saying the Cardinals would metaphorically because I

924
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: don't know how this how it works right now, but metaphorically,

925
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: at least run that card up to the podium as

926
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: fast as humanly possible. If Kyle Pitts was there at sixteen,

927
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: I feel very confident in saying that because they would

928
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: have a need a tight end because they could use

929
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: a dynamic pass catcher and and he's great, but I

930
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: also say he's not going to be there. So it is.

931
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: By the way, so we mentioned Max Williams. Darrell Daniels

932
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: has also been drops twice in this podcast. Is physically

933
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 1: threatening Paul pencil Neck. Okay, that's been who we noted

934
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: h And that's du in part because Dan Arnold has

935
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: gone to Carolina and uh, you know it has been

936
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: pointed out by our owns as well. Uh you know, man,

937
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: bless the Carolina radios when all of a sudden you

938
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: get the big chunk throw from Sam Darnold to Dan Arnold.

939
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: So that's that's going to take a true professional in

940
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: the booth for that combination, especially if there's some eighty

941
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: catches in the in the in the near future for

942
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold from Sam Darnold. We know you'd nail it, Paul.

943
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: So like we have your back, we know that you

944
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: if if anybody, and I don't know who does the

945
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: Panthers play by play, but if they need to give

946
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: you a call, I'm sure that you would give them

947
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: all the right tips because I'm sure you'd nail it

948
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, well, I'm no day pass. You'll do

949
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: four different sports over the course of a week and

950
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: I miss a single name in any of the three

951
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: hour broadcast, which is just uncalled for. Once again, I

952
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: want to go on the record to saying that could

953
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: the under the radar signing this offseason when you consider

954
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: that everything is about the quarterback everybody now it's a

955
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: quarterback driven league. No QB, no chance we get it.

956
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: The guy that Cardinals signed who's supposedly a really good

957
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: quote mentor two quarterbacks, Colton, could that be something that

958
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: maybe hasn't gotten enough attention, perhaps Kyle, especially if they

959
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: have a really good chemistry both being Texas guys and

960
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: they get along well. Because what I'd ride out in

961
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: New York was, quote McCoy went a long way towards

962
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: the development of Danny Dimes and and you know, he

963
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: exceeded some expectations, especially early. And if a quote McCoy

964
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: is there every step of the way with a Kyler Murray,

965
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: I am curious how that relationship unfolds and just how

966
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: beneficial it might be to Kyler in year three. Yeah,

967
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: I enough to look at Danny Jones's production, I don't

968
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: feel like he exceeded expectations very much. I still feel

969
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: like he's very much an improve it mode going into

970
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: year three, and I'm not sure. I mean, it's nice

971
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: to have a mentor in the quarterback room, but to me,

972
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: I think the cult McCoy signing is more important because, ay,

973
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: from what I've read, I think it might be a

974
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: veteran minimum or a pretty low contract, and I think

975
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: he can play. I mean, he's a solid backup quarterback

976
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: where if you're in a pinch and you're trying to win,

977
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: say a regular season finale, to make the playoffs. You

978
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: feel good about this quarterback, So to me, that's the

979
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: bigger deal. I don't put a lot of stock into

980
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: having a mentor in the quarterback room. I feel like

981
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray has to do a lot of that on

982
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: his own. He is the person he is, and he's

983
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: gonna work hard if that's the type of player he is.

984
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: And I don't think somebody telling you to do something

985
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: will work because a lot of time it's the off

986
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: season and right now Kyler Murray does what he wants

987
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: to do, and that's either training or not and watching

988
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: film or not. I mean, you can have people to

989
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: prompt you, but I think you have to do it

990
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: within yourself. So I think the bigger value to me

991
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: is having a guy like Colton McCoy because I think

992
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: he's a solid backup quarterback who can get the job

993
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: done on the field if you run into an injury

994
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: and you didn't pay a premium for him. So that

995
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: was kind of the question is would the Cardinals pay

996
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: a decent amount of money for a backup quarterback who

997
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: could win in a pinch and I think they got

998
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: the best of both worlds where they didn't have to

999
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: pay a high salary a four or five million dollars

1000
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: mark for a backup quarterback. But I still think they

1001
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: got a guy who can come in and do the

1002
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: job if needed. I would tend to agree with you ultimately,

1003
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: this is first about having a backup quarterback you're comfortable

1004
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: with on the field. You know, I'm sure if we

1005
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: asked Cliff Kingsbury right now, he would say that Colt

1006
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: will have to battle Chris Streveler for that number two role.

1007
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: But I would expect Colt McCoy to win that ultimately

1008
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: on the field, and you know, after that season finale

1009
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: went last year, you want a guy that can step

1010
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: in and potentially win you a game and probably play

1011
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: better than not probably play better than Straveler did last year.

1012
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: So ultimately you do have all those things. I do

1013
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: think he can help in the room. I know, again

1014
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: that's something I talk to Steve Kim about. I do

1015
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: think he feels like he can be kind of another

1016
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: potential partial coach. You know, they did kind of cut

1017
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: down the coaching situation. Tom Clements isn't around this year,

1018
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: Cam Turner is going to be the quarterbacks coach, and

1019
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: you have Cliff, but here's another old head who knows

1020
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: a little bit about the game. And ultimately, I just

1021
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: want to steer off this topic because that seemed like

1022
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: it was moving dangerously close to Kyle talking about how

1023
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: leadership doesn't matter and it all matters on the field,

1024
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: and I just don't want to see you guys getting

1025
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: a fight again. I mean, that's just nobody wants that.

1026
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: I was cordial with my answer. Right, once again, the instigator,

1027
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: Darren's turned into he covered hockey once upon a time.

1028
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: He's the last guy in the bench lagoon who now

1029
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: checks in when all of a sudden, you might be

1030
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: down a couple of goals. You need somebody to instigate

1031
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: something and you know, throw a punch, get the other

1032
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: team's best player in the box, something like that. You know,

1033
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: that's a hard pick. I'm there to set the hard pick.

1034
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: Paul's right, that's right. So hey, sometimes you get a

1035
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: backup quarterback because you want to just to be different,

1036
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: and you want defenses to prepare for that guy every week.

1037
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: Rights don't need to do that. They have Kyler Murray,

1038
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: who you know, come for the arms, stay for the legs,

1039
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: so they don't have to worry about that. So I

1040
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: just think they went for a guy who You're right, Kyle,

1041
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: the price was right. They sain't no Chase Daniel making

1042
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: eight million dollars to be the backup quarterbacks, so serge

1043
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: salary number two. They studied a lot of film on

1044
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: Cole McCoy getting ready for the Giants because if you remember,

1045
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes wasn't a certainty to play, so they looked

1046
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: a lot of film at him. Obviously they liked what

1047
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: they saw. And number three and it might be number

1048
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: three in the Power poll of reasons you sign him.

1049
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: You know he's known as being a good mentor, and

1050
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: you figure the whole Texas connection, they'll get along, so

1051
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: you know. As for my latest fits theory, thanks for asking, guys.

1052
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: As we wrap up this edition of Cardinal's Underground, I

1053
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: got I know you guys, it's it's hard to believe

1054
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: you got nothing. You got nothing this week on theories,

1055
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: I've come full circle and I've run out of theories.

1056
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: This is more of a gut feel at this point.

1057
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: On the anniversary of Reggie White signing with Green Bay

1058
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: and Jim Rome getting Jack stopped by Jim Everard as

1059
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: we speak. Because these things happen in threes. I think

1060
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald feels like he still has something to prove,

1061
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: in that he has something to prove, that he has

1062
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: something left, and I just have a feeling he's gonna

1063
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: play this year. I don't know where that comes from.

1064
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: I don't have sources. I most definitely have not talked

1065
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: to the GM. I'm just saying I have a sinking

1066
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: feeling that deep down Larry feels, deep down he's he

1067
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: feels like he can play and he's not going to

1068
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: hang him up till he's certain he has nothing left.

1069
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: And that isn't hasn't. That time hasn't come yet, and

1070
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: so I don't know what the delay is. He's waiting

1071
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: for something. I'm not sure what exactly. I personally hope

1072
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: it's not for another team to make the Cardinals an

1073
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: offer they can't refuse, or to execute some sort of

1074
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, one year deal for Tampa or Minnesota. We've

1075
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: already been there with those theories. I'm just saying I

1076
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: think Larry feels like he has something to prove, and

1077
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: and so I believe we're going to see number eleven

1078
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: out there this year. Well, I would have to say

1079
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: my first gut was, like I guess it all depends

1080
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: on perspective when you talk about coming in threes, because

1081
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: for me, I got April six being Reggie White, and

1082
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: then Jim Rome and Jim Everett, and then for me,

1083
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: my brother Jason was born in nineteen seventy two on

1084
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: April six, so that would be my third one. So

1085
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: maybe that fits doesn't fit all the way in there. Look,

1086
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: I ultimately I could see the argument of Fits deciding

1087
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit more to prove. There's something

1088
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: stuck in the back of my head though. With Larry

1089
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to and I've talked to him about this,

1090
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: he said it publicly. I've talked to him about it

1091
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: just the two of us, where you know, he's maintained

1092
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: for a long time he doesn't want to be the

1093
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: guy that gets retired. He doesn't want to be the

1094
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: guy that plays so long that people basically say you

1095
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: gotta go away, we don't want you here anymore because

1096
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: you're just not good enough. He really doesn't want to

1097
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: be that guy. Now. It was easy for him to

1098
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: say that five or six or seven years ago, when

1099
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: they weren't going to ever say that to him, And

1100
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: as he gets closer to the end, maybe, you know,

1101
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: you kind of get a different change. And again we've

1102
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: said this every week. I'll let Kyle have his say.

1103
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: For me, I'm not going to be surprised either way

1104
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: at this point. I don't want to poke holes or

1105
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: ask questions because I know we're on theories seventy four.

1106
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: But what exactly does he have left to prove? You

1107
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: know what I should That's the way I stated at first,

1108
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: and then I try to amend that. I think he

1109
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: feels like he has something left to say, he has

1110
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: something to prove. No, Larry has nothing to prove to

1111
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: anyone at this point. You know, he's one of the

1112
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: top three all time receivers in league history period, So

1113
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't feel like he has something to prove. To

1114
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: put it more specifically and accurately, I just think feel

1115
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: like he thinks he has something left, and as long

1116
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: as he has something left, he still wants to play.

1117
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: The question might be as once again I formulate my

1118
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: own theories and thoughts on the fly, is that maybe

1119
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: he's wondering, am I going to get enough targets to

1120
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: actually prove that I have something left, to actually have

1121
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: an opportunity to display what I believe is still an

1122
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: ability to produce. But if he's not gonna get the targets,

1123
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: if he's not a big part of the game plan,

1124
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: is he waiting for an opportunity where he's as sure

1125
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: to a greater degree that he will get the targets.

1126
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But if he does come back for

1127
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, I think my personal fear is he

1128
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: couldn't still have something left and we never know it

1129
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: because he just wouldn't be that big a part of

1130
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: the game plan and or get his enough targets to

1131
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: show us well. I think if Larry Fitzgerald has something

1132
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: left and shows that throughout the offseason, knowing how much

1133
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: people want him to succeed in this organization, you're not

1134
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: going to keep him on the bench if you think

1135
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: he's one of your best receivers. So I don't really

1136
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: see that, But I think at this point, at his age,

1137
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: I think we have to deal with the reality of

1138
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: seeing the way Christian Kirk moves athletically compared to Larry Fitzgerald.

1139
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Christian Kirk is a more dynamic player. At

1140
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: this point, Larry has the better hands and the bigger

1141
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: frame and a better blocker, so he's got certain traits

1142
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: that still contribute to winning teams. But I agree where

1143
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot trickier on how does he fit

1144
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: into this offense now that you've signed aj Green. So

1145
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: I feel like the odds have decreased of him playing

1146
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: because of the maschinations of the last couple months, where

1147
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: if he decided in the first six weeks after the season,

1148
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: I think it would have made a lot more sense

1149
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: for him to come back. But now I leaned toward

1150
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: retirement because of all the questions when you look at

1151
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: the roster composition on offense and where he fits, and

1152
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he has anything to prove yet to

1153
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: prove anymore. And he's not the type of guy that

1154
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: wants to hang on because he's got all these varied

1155
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: interests and he's part owner of the Suns who are

1156
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: having a great season, and he could easily just slip

1157
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: into that role and do that and travel. So he's

1158
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: not the guy that is just going to keep playing

1159
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: until they kick him out. So for all those reasons,

1160
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: that's the way I'm leaning, But I mean, we'll see

1161
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: when he announces, if he announces at this point, but

1162
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: still still a big question mark in my mind. See,

1163
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: I should have just stayed on last week's theory that

1164
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: he's retired and he just hasn't announced it yet, and

1165
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: he may not, he may not officially announce it. That

1166
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: we might find out just at some point he'll file

1167
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: the retirement papers and some sourcial leak it out of

1168
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: the NFL headquarters on Park Avenue. That's the only way

1169
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: we're going to find out is when those retirement papers

1170
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: get filed at the last possible moment, so it doesn't

1171
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: lose a year on that five year window to to

1172
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, get elected into the Hall of Fame. Well

1173
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: maybe maybe, Paul, if you just insult him on this podcast,

1174
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: he can just join the line of people don't want

1175
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: to punch you, and then we'll he'll come out of nowhere,

1176
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: you know what. I feel like I should leave it

1177
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: on a positive note. So did you guy, you guys

1178
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: dropped AJ Green and targets? Did you see or here

1179
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: on the Big Red Rage where Frosty Rucker, former cardinal

1180
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: and former team at AJ Green the rookie year in

1181
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: Cincinnati said, and I loosely quote, Hey, if AJ Green

1182
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: gets enough targets with the Cardinals, he could easily be

1183
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: the NFL Comeback Player of the Year. So that was interesting.

1184
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: Then somebody pointed out, well, that's all going to go

1185
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: to Chandler Jones. So there's always somebody on Twitter who's

1186
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: ready with a quick retourt. I directed him to Darren's mailbag.

1187
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: Aj is an interesting case because we all know he

1188
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: was one of the best receivers in the NFL for

1189
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: such a long time, and like I agree where we

1190
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't just look at last season for a player, because

1191
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: if you look at at outlier seasons, that's the one

1192
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: for AJ Green, where if you go back when he

1193
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: was healthy, he was still a dominant receiver. So I

1194
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: understand the thought process of him having a down season

1195
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: as he bounced back from injury and he can get

1196
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: back to that level. But he's also thirty three years old,

1197
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: so I could see that it wouldn't happen because he's

1198
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: just falling off a little bit athletically, and we'll see

1199
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: how he looks in training camp, and I could see

1200
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: either scenario developing. But if that happens, I think that

1201
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: completely raises the ceiling for this offense where you know

1202
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: you've got DeAndre Hopkins and if you've got a legitimately

1203
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: healthy and talented AJ Green on the other side, I

1204
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: think that's a big deal offensively because right now it's

1205
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: similar to what they had last year, where you've got

1206
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins and then who's going to step up? And

1207
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: I think that question is going to persist until we

1208
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: see AJ Green and see if he is that same

1209
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: player of old triggering to me in AJ Green is

1210
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: the analytics said the same thing that Steve Kime said

1211
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: about AJ Green that when you look at his targets,

1212
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: a ridiculously low percentage were considered catchable, Like only sixty

1213
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: percent of his targets were even considered catchable last year.

1214
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: So that really muddies the waters. You know, is it

1215
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: the chicken or the egg? Is the player or the

1216
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: quarterback who exactly was responsible for those career low stats

1217
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: and the low production? I mean, did he even have

1218
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: a realistic chance of hauling in enough catches to be

1219
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: a factor. I haven't had a chance to watch a

1220
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: lot of what AJ Green did last year, but see,

1221
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: to me, the numbers wouldn't It's easy to look at

1222
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: the numbers, but it's not the numbers that I would

1223
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: be looking at at this point. It would be what

1224
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: he was doing otherwise, even when he was running his routes,

1225
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: but when the balls were catchable, was he hanging on

1226
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: to him? And where was he going in those routes.

1227
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of like watching Fits. I mean, look,

1228
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: I think they should have targeted Fits more off in

1229
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: this past season, and I think he's got a little

1230
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: bit more than what his statistics showed last year. But

1231
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm not one hundred percent sure

1232
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: Fits being in the position he is in in terms

1233
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: of athletically in his career, I'm not so sure the

1234
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: numbers are going to be a lot better. He's not

1235
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: gonna He's not gonna be getting you a bunch of

1236
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: fifty yard catches. I remember on this podcast, you know,

1237
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: Kyle beating me down, and in hindsight rightfully so, when

1238
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: Larry had two or three or four forty yard catches

1239
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: in the first two games of twenty nineteen, I'm like, hey,

1240
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna have this great year. Kyle is basically like, nope,

1241
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: watch he won't and he didn't have another one and he,

1242
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, his production trailed off kind of drastically as

1243
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen went on. And I mean that's part of

1244
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: the issue too. This is just me, This is just

1245
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: an offhand observation because I remember talking about that as well.

1246
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: He had as many chunk catches or thirty forty plus

1247
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: yard catches those first few games of two in nineteen

1248
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: as he'd had the last three years combined. But at

1249
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: the same time, there were very few targets chunk throws

1250
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,959
Speaker 1: to Larry. There just weren't and then and they also

1251
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: dried up, did they not? Kyle the rest of twenty nineteen,

1252
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: not only was he not making those catches, but they

1253
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: weren't throwing him those routes. See, there weren't even any

1254
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: attempts to hit him beyond fifteen twenty yards. And I

1255
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: think it may have been accidental that those actually hit

1256
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: because it was Kyler Murray being a rookie trying to

1257
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: scan the field, trying to figure out where to throw

1258
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: it taking some time. How long does it take Larry

1259
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald to get forty yards down the field. It's not

1260
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: the quickest route in the world, and he probably just

1261
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: kept on going scramble drill wise, and you look at

1262
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: when the Cardinals offense is rolling. Now Cliff Kingsbury wants

1263
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: to do precision, quick passes. It's not a bunch of

1264
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: deep shots unless it's DeAndre Hopkins one on one down

1265
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: the sideline. But I mean, Christian Kirk obviously had some,

1266
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: but this just not Larry Fitzgerald's game anymore. And Aj

1267
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: Green what kind of what kind of use is he

1268
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: going to have? And I get what you're saying about

1269
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: the catchable percentage, but another analytics said he didn't. He

1270
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: was one of the worst in the NFL at separation

1271
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: against cornerbacks. And to me, it's important to get separated

1272
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: from cornerbacks, even if you've got a good catch radius

1273
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: and good hands, I think you need to get away

1274
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: from those defenders. Can Aj Green get back to what

1275
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: he used to be? So I feel like that signing

1276
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: is the most high variance of them all, where he

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Speaker 1: could he could be done. And then you have a

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Speaker 1: below average wide receiver who you paid a little bit

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Speaker 1: too much too, and the offense is going to have

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Speaker 1: some trouble beyond DeAndre Hopkins or he bounces back, and

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Speaker 1: you have this maybe Pro Bowl level or a little

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Speaker 1: bit less then, but still an above average receiver on

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Speaker 1: the other side, and that opens up the whole offense.

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Speaker 1: So I think AJ Green and his ability is going

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Speaker 1: to be such a key to the Cardinals offense next season.

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the main storylines, is how

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Speaker 1: he looks. Because we know DeAndre Hopkins. We have a

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Speaker 1: good idea what Christian Kirk is gonna give you even

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Speaker 1: though he's changing positions. He's a solid receiver, maybe not

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Speaker 1: a standout, but a solid guy. But what is Aj

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Speaker 1: Green at this point in his career? To me, it's

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Speaker 1: a huge storyline. We've got to get better at the hole. Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's wrap this up with like two more comments and

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Speaker 1: then we end up going ten more minutes. Right, that's right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean, who's the guy who's

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Speaker 1: about to give you at another anecdote? Because here's what.

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Speaker 1: Here's a recollection. I'm gonna tell you, guys, I want

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Speaker 1: to let you in on something. Okay, you can stop

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Speaker 1: at anytime. It's a podcast. You told us about the

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Speaker 1: sign football already two thousand. Oh that's right. I forgot

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Speaker 1: about that. There's the AJ Green signed football right at

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Speaker 1: my disposal. Thank you. For asking once again late in

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Speaker 1: the first half twenty nineteen, the opener the debut of

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and the head coach Cliff Kingsburn. Remember the

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Speaker 1: joke later about how I was really regretting buying that

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Speaker 1: house at halftime of the opener because the offense was

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Speaker 1: so anemic and inept in that first half against the

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Speaker 1: lines before they made the comeback in the second half.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you that as things were getting sideways

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Speaker 1: into the second quarter, there were players coming to Kyler

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Speaker 1: as he came off the field basically grabbing him by

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Speaker 1: the shoulder pads and saying, look, winning doubt, throw it

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Speaker 1: to eleven. He will make plays for you, because as

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Speaker 1: we all know, he was scrambling around and was really

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Speaker 1: just playing backyard football without a real knowledge of NFL

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Speaker 1: defenses and over the playbook, we get that the adrenalist fallen,

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Speaker 1: and I can tell your players are coming up to

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Speaker 1: him repeatedly saying, with the doubt, just throw it up

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Speaker 1: for eleven. So to your point, Kyle, you're right, it

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Speaker 1: probably was a byproduct in hindsight of just a desperate,

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Speaker 1: rooking quarterback looking to unload the ball and try and

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Speaker 1: advance it. Down the field. So especially again especially in

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Speaker 1: that Detroit game, those the two big catches he had

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Speaker 1: not I mean, those were amazing catches by a E

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Speaker 1: then what thirty six year old receiver. I mean, that

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Speaker 1: was just crazy. All right, there you go. See we

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Speaker 1: did leave it on a positive note. So there you go.

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Speaker 1: You know, mission accomplished. It took us well over an hour,

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Speaker 1: but we have. We got there on Cardinal's underground watching

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