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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Yes, Oh ellsbit done. What are you doing girl, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just hanging out here. Listen. You know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? Do I So? I was talking to

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Speaker 2: the entrance before you got here, and I was like

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Speaker 2: looking at different headlines looking for something. I was just like,

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Speaker 2: I couldn't remember what I was looking for. I was

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Speaker 2: going through old tabs and I didn't have time to

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Speaker 2: read the stories. But they were laughing about my tabs. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: One of the tabs, this was a headline elephant killed

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Speaker 2: a woman, then attended her funeral and smashed her corpse.

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Speaker 2: I was like, why did you want to see that one?

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Speaker 2: Then another one I had was Catholic bishop resigns after

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Speaker 2: falling in love with satanic erotic fiction novelist. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: explain myself to these people, so I just was like,

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Speaker 2: I just threw my hands up and walked away. I

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Speaker 2: was like, where's my yogurt and walked away. There you go,

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Speaker 2: that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Tabs are ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: I like that elephant story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew we couldn't do it because you know,

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Speaker 2: there's the murder. But other than that, it's hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely amazing. Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I'm here for it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Go for it, Secret Princesses. Oh no, this is ridiculous

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Speaker 3: Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons.

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Speaker 3: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You damn right? Who had to run from the stairs? Good?

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Speaker 3: You're fat?

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Speaker 2: I made it anything from the basement. No, okay, let's do.

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Speaker 3: This smells so bad down there? Oh? Yeah, hello Sweden?

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Speaker 2: Oh that they here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm Elizabeth Thutton and I'm here to lovingly butcher

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Speaker 3: the pronunciations of your beautiful language.

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Speaker 2: Ah yes, leave it to me. I'll get in too.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: Here's okay, here's what I know of Sweden beyond Ikea,

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Speaker 3: H and M, Volvo, puppet chefs, and gummy fish. Also ps,

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Speaker 3: did you know that Spotify is a Swedish company? Shout

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Speaker 3: out to anyone?

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Speaker 2: I did not know that. Yeah, I thought it was

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Speaker 2: Danish or Dutch Swedish.

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Speaker 3: And did you know the Swedes invented the three point seatbelt?

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Speaker 2: I did know that because of Volvo yeah, most of it.

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Speaker 2: And also I think headlights, the running daytime running headlights

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Speaker 2: and all that. I imagine, Well, they're all safety. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, you can flip a Volvo and it'll hold

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Speaker 2: the weight of the car on its roof because of

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Speaker 2: the snowy roads. So that's part of their design of

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Speaker 2: the car. And you can flip it and I love.

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Speaker 2: That's why I got one. I was like, I need

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Speaker 2: one of these car and flipping it anyway, go on.

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Speaker 3: Most of what I know about Sweden comes from like

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Speaker 3: The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and television.

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually, I have to admit I liked to those books.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the books are amazing.

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Speaker 2: I read them on the beach in Florida. Perfect place

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Speaker 2: to read those kind of books.

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Speaker 3: And like, now that I've come out as a television

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Speaker 3: watch I can tell you I really love PBS.

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually I love local.

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Speaker 3: PBS like k q D here in the Bay area

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Speaker 3: and their local show check please.

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Speaker 2: By area area. You do talk about that.

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Speaker 3: I'm a donor to k q D. I have PBS

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Speaker 3: passport that lets me watch all the cool shows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then when broad Church at the end.

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Speaker 3: Of any masterpiece show, they give a shout out to

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Speaker 3: Darlene Shyley and donors to PBS stations, Viewers like you, Viewers.

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Speaker 2: Like us, Yeah, talking about Darling me, Yeah, you not me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of Masterpiece mystery shows, which are my favorite,

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Speaker 3: are British.

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Speaker 2: Production and sponsored by you and sponsored.

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Speaker 3: By me, viewers like me. There's a lot of BBC

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Speaker 3: stuff on there. There are so many that I love

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Speaker 3: and I'm not going to start listing them off that

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Speaker 3: teas Grandchester Unforgotten Murders. You know there's a new Magpie

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Speaker 3: Murders coming out in September.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know there was an old Magpie murder.

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Speaker 3: Grace yourself. It's it's called something else.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what is it?

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Speaker 3: I don't remember, but it's something something like with a

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Speaker 3: bird in It's okay. But one thing about.

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Speaker 2: These betis pitch persons so good.

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Speaker 3: One thing about these British productions is that they sometimes

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, I've watched The Three Musketeers, The Musketeers right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and everybody's British and you're like, it's French. I bet

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Speaker 2: the French hate this. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I tried watching this one show, Hotel port Afino. It's

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Speaker 3: like a period drama about life and a resort hotel

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Speaker 3: in nineteen twenties Italy. It's so me and like, I

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Speaker 3: that's the other thing. There's also Wallander as they pronounce it,

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Speaker 3: and that's set in Sweden and stars Kenneth Brenno. Oh,

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Speaker 3: it's a great show. It's really good. But I found

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Speaker 3: out that it's a remake of an actual Swedish show

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Speaker 3: where Vallander is pronounced correctly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and then that one's better is that woman?

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Speaker 2: No, what's the Swedish woman detective? Everyone was watching like

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Speaker 3: Now what I've learned from television is that I think

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Speaker 3: I would really like to visit the Nordic countries. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I can see that Denmark, Norway, Sweden. Norway is who

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Speaker 3: gave us the Beforeigners, which is probably one of the

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Speaker 2: That I do love that show.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't seen Beforeigners.

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Speaker 2: So crazyly good. It's so surprising, as like a time

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Speaker 2: travel show. You don't even see it coming.

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Speaker 3: But that's Nordic.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk Sweden, please, let's talk Sweden.

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Speaker 3: The more people, the more I read and learn about Sweden,

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Speaker 3: the more I would love to go.

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Speaker 2: And there, welcome to my country.

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Speaker 3: The caater affinity I have for the people. And I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying this to butter up any Swedes who may

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Speaker 3: to disappoint them no matter what I do. And you,

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Speaker 3: you and I have talked about this. We practice saying

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Speaker 3: names and words that are like unfamiliar to us, over

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Speaker 3: and over and over yes, and then you get in

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Speaker 2: For me, it negates at all.

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Speaker 3: Oh my mouth drops like fifty IQ points and suffers

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Speaker 3: from a palsy. I can't it's a crying shame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suffer the exact same affliction.

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Speaker 3: And there are also words that I know well and

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Speaker 2: There's English words. I mess up all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why does this happen?

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Speaker 2: How did you mispronounce is?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Let's let's talk. Sweden said, this is your.

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Speaker 2: People, Yes, my people, Elizabeth. You know that I have

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Speaker 2: Swedish relatives, like like way back, not like they married

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Speaker 2: hockey games, I'm like, let me play Team Sweden. Like

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Speaker 2: I'm like, let me play Team Sweden. These are my people.

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Speaker 2: Just to mess with people.

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Speaker 3: You love Vikings, but take in a white supremacist way.

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Speaker 2: But like he's like, you mean like the show or

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Speaker 2: the idea of Vikings everything.

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Speaker 3: Via shows you love the the actual Viking, the.

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Speaker 2: Historic grouping and also the verb to go Viking. I

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Speaker 2: just love that. I'm going to go raid. Lindis farness

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Speaker 3: That's for Sweden. Stockholm's the capital city.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hey, they have a great stock great.

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Speaker 3: Quality life, great education, healthcare, civil liberties, gender equality.

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Speaker 2: Great fast drivers. I watched their videos on YouTube and

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Speaker 3: They basically prove it can be done, all of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gender equality and fast Driver.

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Speaker 3: We lay down a little history. I can go way

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Speaker 3: of the nineteenth century.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: That's and this is going to be important in understanding

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Speaker 3: the story that I'm going to tell you.

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Speaker 2: Is this involved upsala. There's no oa.

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Speaker 3: This is all comes together. There's a reason for this.

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Speaker 3: So Gustav the fourth was king of Sweden from seventeen

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Speaker 2: Rough stuff.

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Speaker 3: He was also the last Swedish monarch to be the

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Speaker 2: Was he deposed for supporting Napoleon eighteen oh nine? Seems

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Speaker 3: Go on, Yeah, So yeah, this the coup is when

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Speaker 3: the Russians occupied Sweden, Aha, and they tossed him out.

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Speaker 3: They tossed Gustav out, he abdicated, and then they had

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Speaker 3: Adopted June sixth, eighteen oh nine. And that's now National

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Speaker 3: Day of Sweden.

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Speaker 3: Gustav's uncle, Charles the thirteenth he took possession of the

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Speaker 3: title of King of Sweden, and Gustav he'd wanted it

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Speaker 3: to go to his son upon abdication, but the Russians

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Speaker 3: don't want your line in here entered Charles. Gustav and

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Speaker 3: his family. They get exiled to Germany, which isn't so bad.

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Speaker 3: And then he and his I mean, it's not like

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally. It wasn't like bird go to Devil's Island.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this is like go to Germany. He's like,

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Speaker 3: all right, I can do that. But then he and

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Speaker 3: his wife divorced in eighteen twelve.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I can't do it.

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Speaker 3: Was their own private War of eighteen twelve. Oh so,

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Speaker 3: a while in exile, like Gustov, he tried on a

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Speaker 3: bunch of titles like Count Gothorp and Duke of Holstein Euten.

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Speaker 3: Then he settled on count, calling himself Colonel Gustafson, and

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Speaker 3: he went to live in Switzerland and he lived in

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Speaker 2: Oh man. Yeah, so he's got a big name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big name, small guy. So while Gustov

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Speaker 2: He had no kids of his own, and.

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Speaker 3: Then he eventually this guy, Jean Baptiste. He's like, guess

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Speaker 3: what look at me, Charles the fourteenth. Hey. So in

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Speaker 2: That total war. We got you and the They were

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Speaker 3: And that victory made it possible for Sweden to force

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Speaker 2: Okay, this girl special.

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Speaker 3: And when she when she was asked about her parents,

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Speaker 3: And you know, as you can guess, that was not true.

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Speaker 3: Yes, her dad was a caretaker who died when she

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Speaker 3: But she knew in her heart, Zarin, that she was fancy.

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Speaker 2: She felt it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she knew that she had noble blood. That's

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Speaker 3: When she was about twenty, Aurora got a job from

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to I shouldn't be a seamstress assisting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to be wearing this finery. I need

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Speaker 2: These girls should be working for me.

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Speaker 3: And then this very like Cinderella type of vibe going on.

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Speaker 3: The night that the Aspergrands were about to leave for

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Speaker 3: They're like, oh, that sucks. But they're like the Aspergans

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Speaker 2: Everyone could have guessed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the daughters, Henrika, doated on Aurora something fierce.

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Speaker 3: She's like, this is my new doll. She bought her

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Speaker 3: M So, in eighteen forty four, the two women they

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Speaker 3: Yeah she Henrika totally ditches the family for Aurora.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It's during this move that Aurora changed her name

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Speaker 3: Anna Florentina de la broch Okay, and the next move

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Speaker 2: Why not Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: So then she waited and she reported Aurora as drowned.

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Speaker 3: So she doesn't exist anymore. She's just Anna Akalla, eighty

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Speaker 3: six year old lie completely. So Helga and Henrika they

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Speaker 2: Do we think that they're like romantic?

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. I'm gonna guess, like based

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Speaker 2: Because it could be like a Spengali and creation.

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Speaker 3: I think that, I mean, honestly, I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: and they managed a girls school there called dilabrach.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 3: When the parents asked questions of Helga that she didn't

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Speaker 2: It's like she she got so rock.

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Speaker 3: She got so good at it that she taught the

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, which is my new thing? Aren't you?

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Speaker 2: Neils von Coach.

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Speaker 3: It was like a friend of a friend's situation.

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Speaker 2: So Neils, he's German. I'm taking it. Ko h there,

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Speaker 3: Neils he's just a he's a citizen of the earth.

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Speaker 2: He bounces around. Who knows where he's from.

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Speaker 3: Helda tells him, guess what, I'm nobility?

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Speaker 2: Did you know that secret?

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Speaker 3: And actually I'm more than that. He's like, oh what,

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Speaker 3: She's like, I'm royalty. No, come on now, He's like, actually,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you. I am the daughter of exiled King

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Speaker 3: Gustav the.

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Speaker 2: Fourth straight claim on the crown.

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Speaker 3: Yes. So she goes from like I'm from some random

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Speaker 5: Of course.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I can neither confirm or deny this claim.

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Speaker 3: This is not something I can prove or disprove. But

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Speaker 3: Helga's like, you know, I'm telling you this because I

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Speaker 2: Oh, back my play for the rest of my life

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Speaker 2: and I'll stay quiet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So he goes on to convince a member of

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Speaker 5: Record.

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Speaker 2: It seems I could be pretty easy to be able

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Speaker 3: So she's this lost princess. It's crazy and it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: So Prime Minister Louis de gear and four and Minister

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Speaker 3: But the Queen Mother Josephina, she's intrigued. She's like, hmmm,

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Speaker 3: Let me look at her as She's like, let's give

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Speaker 3: mainly like and the king, King Charles the fifteenth, now.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, he just wants the hub of to Yeah,

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Speaker 3: This isn't the best story to be circulating, you know.

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Speaker 3: So Parliament asks him about her claims of being the

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Speaker 2: So it's also a very low bar declaring this question

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Speaker 3: So the King he grants the pension quote without being

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Speaker 2: So it's either I could have done it or she

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Speaker 3: Opened like she could be a fraud, But hey, this

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Speaker 3: is fun, why not? Why ruin it?

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Speaker 2: You know the parlor games.

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Speaker 3: Remember how Gustav was exiled to Germany and then divorced

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do remember that.

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Speaker 3: So the story that Helga told the king was that

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Speaker 2: Best place to get married and see.

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Speaker 3: And then Helga gets born in eighteen twenty, after which

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Speaker 3: she was sent in secret, of course, to Sweden to

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Speaker 3: All of this secrecy was to keep her from being

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Speaker 3: In disguise to bring another three million weeks dollar for Helga.

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Speaker 3: Let's pause, let's gather our thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I'm so on the edge of my Helga, and when we.

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Speaker 3: Return, we'll hear more of Helga's story. Zaren Elizabeth Helga

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Speaker 3: de la Brosh Yes, yeah, aka Aurora Magduson. They're both

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I love her name, especially the Magnuson one Magdison.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's like tough.

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Speaker 5: I like it.

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Speaker 3: She said she was the secret legitimate child of King

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Speaker 3: this wasn't true, and others at the time suspected it

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Speaker 3: wasn't true, but a lot of people believed her story.

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Speaker 2: They want to. It's a fun story.

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Speaker 3: So what about Princess Sophia, That's what I'm going to

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Speaker 3: could they ask her? Yeah, well, the princess she passed

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Speaker 3: when this is all going down. Oh, Hellga's in her forties, so.

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Speaker 2: It's not even like a lady in waiting or a

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Speaker 3: So Helga said that when Princess Sophia died that she

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Speaker 3: Right nine years old, and then if she tried to

442
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 3: tell people who she really was, they just say she

443
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 3: was crazyow so that.

444
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: She was like the woman in the Iron Mask, but

445
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 2: the Iron Mask was in insane asylum.

446
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 3: So she's like fourteen, eighteen thirty four, She's like, I

447
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,719
Speaker 3: got out of the asylum. But then they sent her

448
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 3: to Baden to live under house arrest with her family there.

449
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 3: And then in eighteen thirty seven she read about the

450
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 3: death of her father the hang in the paper and

451
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 3: she lost it. This is her story, Yeah, this is

452
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 3: her story. She's just overcome with grief. She's so torn

453
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: up about it that she gets tossed in an insane

454
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 3: asylum again. Yeah. And then this is, of course, according

455
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 3: to her, a way to keep her identity secret. Everyone's like, oh,

456
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 3: she's going to talk. Put her in the insane asylum.

457
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 2: Who's under our course?

458
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 3: And who's they in this?

459
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 2: I don't know, Shadowliabeth.

460
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 3: It was well, I mean she's saying, it's like the

461
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 3: family in Baden, like, I guess her mom's folks who

462
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 3: want this all hush.

463
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: Hush, but whatever, the powers that be will say yeah, exactly.

464
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 3: So she said she was able to escape from the

465
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 3: asylum and she was on her own, surviving on the

466
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 3: kindness of others, those who believed her story. Her grandma's

467
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 3: family in Germany gave her a yearly pension, according to her,

468
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 3: but that all stopped in eighteen fifty.

469
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: Huh did they run out of money? Someone die, I'm

470
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 2: not carrying an She's like, the stop.

471
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 3: Cashing exactly, and then there she was. She owed people

472
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: all this money that they'd fronted her over the years,

473
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 3: and she was forced to live like a pauper, which

474
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 3: is just gross.

475
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: I mean, have you seen the food.

476
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she's begging the government for a pension and like,

477
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 3: but she's like, I really need a pension, but it

478
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 3: can't be smaller than five thousand or six thousand Swedish

479
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 3: Rick Stoller.

480
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 2: I've become accustomed to a start and oh completely, anything

481
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: else would be insulting.

482
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 3: So people throughout Sweden and Finland believed her story and

483
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: people gave her money aside from any government assistance. They're like, oh, here,

484
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 3: please take.

485
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 2: Just Swedish kickstarter. Yeah, okay, and so.

486
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 3: Plus her best pal, Henrika. She was from a rich

487
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 3: family and she's well educated, and so that gave her credibility. Yeah,

488
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 3: so she's like, oh she's hanging around.

489
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got a good friend. Of course they would

490
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 2: know each other exactly, private school or whatever.

491
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

492
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 3: So Helga, she's a great actress. She's all wide eyed

493
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: and like blink, blank eyes, I'm new here, disarming. Yeah,

494
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: she's just telling her simple story. She came across as

495
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: really pure naive. People didn't think she had it in

496
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: her to tell this sort of wap, and she didn't

497
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 3: seem insane, something like it had to be true. Yeah,

498
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: but like, why couldn't this just be verified with Gustav.

499
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Well, there's anyone in the family close.

500
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: Anyone in the family. Okay, so Gustav's dead, but all

501
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 3: contact with the deposed former dynasty in Excite was forbidden

502
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: after the coup of eighteen oh nine.

503
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 4: Talk to him.

504
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 3: There was no way the pres could get in touch

505
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: and ask the right questions. They'd be breaking the lawn. Apparently,

506
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: no one wanted to do that. In March of eighteen

507
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: sixty one, the king awarded Helga an annual pension of

508
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 3: twenty four hundred Swedish ricks dollar per year.

509
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: Wow, I have no Ideama lowballing her.

510
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: Remember she wanted five to six k, but they're like,

511
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: we'll give you twenty four hundred. But they also gave

512
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: her a house and like furnishings befitting a princess. Well,

513
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 3: then come on, now, I imagine like a very nineteen

514
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: eighties four poster bed with like frilly lace canopy and

515
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: a dresser with like super cheap gold ornate detailing and

516
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 3: a Garfield pillow, and then like a Pikachu squish.

517
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 2: In a day bet on the sidewall, and a poster of.

518
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: A Korean boy band, whichever was the most popular in

519
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 3: the eighteen sixties for a forty year old woman. Eighteen

520
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: sixty eight, the author Auguste Blanche and then Captain Julius Mancow.

521
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 3: For whatever reason, these two got together and they petitioned

522
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: for her pension to be increased. What yeah, and it was,

523
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 3: why is she like? I don't know, They're like, she's awesome,

524
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 3: give her more money?

525
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: They come on, she deserves better than this. Was she

526
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: like working them?

527
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: Well, she was really good at spending money.

528
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: I bet you won.

529
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 3: So the pension was raised the next year in order

530
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: to bail out some of her money troubles. She's like, you, guys,

531
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: I just don't there's not I really wish that spending

532
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 3: habits were what dictated your salary.

533
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: How would that work? And that's what's going on with her. Yes,

534
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: but it will not work, I know.

535
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 3: But like, let's just say, wouldn't that be amazing.

536
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: That's kind of incentivizing people to spend as much as

537
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: they can, right? You just know, you just let them

538
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 2: live like on their like just so you see how

539
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: they want to live.

540
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: Live like you want for a and then we'll give

541
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: you whatever salary accommodates that.

542
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: I will say that you're onto something there because we

543
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: found a lot of people need a lot less to

544
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: be happy, and there is a certain amount or whatever.

545
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: It's always moving around, but it's like you get to

546
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: a certain amount and you really don't need any more

547
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: money and you're happy because of all the conditions that

548
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: allow you to be out.

549
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: I think that's a good way. I think spend like

550
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: you can and then we'll see how much that is.

551
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: I do believe in a universal basic income. I don't

552
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: know if a universal basic credit card.

553
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: Will work, but I do like you're the shot, so

554
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 3: hell go. Well her story couldn't be verified for a

555
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: time by anyone, it was still a really great story.

556
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: I'm loving it.

557
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: People loved it, especially other like nobility and rich folks.

558
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it makes them all sound more interesting.

559
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: And they saw her pension is like proof of her story.

560
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: So she's she's in the government wouldn't give her money

561
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: for being royal if she wasn't a royal right there?

562
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: And then so the swells they kicked her down a

563
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: lot of cash too. It was like this ongoing gofund

564
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 3: me where she's just like, I just you guys, have

565
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: you given the mon I'm a princess, Like, oh, here's

566
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: you're right, you're right here. So remember Charles the thirteenth,

567
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: the one who came after Gustav.

568
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: The fourth, yes, two before the fifteenth.

569
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: After him was Charles the fourteenth, and Charles the fourteenth

570
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: reign from eighteen eighteen to eighteen forty four.

571
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: Wow, good rain.

572
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: And then after him, not Charles the sixteenth, Oscar the.

573
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: First imagining a short reign.

574
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he was king from eighteen forty four to

575
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: eighteen fifty nine, and then he died.

576
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: But then I thought he died, that's what happens for kings.

577
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: So then Charles the fifteenth took the throne and he

578
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: was king when all of this is going down.

579
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 2: Okay, he's the king on the scene.

580
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then there's Oscar the First's wife.

581
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: She's just still in the scene, Okay.

582
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: Josephine of Luxemburg, she was still alive, and that made

583
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: her the Queen Dowager. Okay, So Josephine. She became one

584
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 3: of Helga's benefactors, and Josephine sent money, like a lot

585
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 3: of money to Helga.

586
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: Was she like an agent of chaos where she can

587
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: kind of knew and she's wanted to her keep it going?

588
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: Or do you think she actually liked her? No, I

589
00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: think she really liked it.

590
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 3: She's like, she's one of us here, how's a marcash?

591
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 3: And so she sent it via this agent of hers,

592
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: mister Norby, tens of thousands given to Helga, and Norby

593
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 3: did what Josephine asked, but he was like starting to

594
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: doubt Helga's stories and he wanted the truth. He didn't

595
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: hire a private eye. He became one. Oh yes, Saren,

596
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: closed eyes. I want you to picture it. You are

597
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: a maid at the home of Henrika Aspriggan's sister Sissy,

598
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: in Turku, Finland. She's a lovely woman and a great boss.

599
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: Super chill. The other day she got a letter from

600
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: a guy in Stockholm who said he was an agent

601
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 3: of the Queen Dowager of Sweden. He said he had

602
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: a delicate matter to discuss and wanted to pay her

603
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: a visit. She sent back word that she'd loved to

604
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: meet with him, but she had no idea what he

605
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: must want. It was the early afternoon when the butler

606
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: let the gentleman into the house. The weather is delightful.

607
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: It's sunny and unseasonably warm. You have the windows open

608
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: and you can hear the old lady next door playing

609
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: the piano. Sissy looks at you with raised eyebrows when

610
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: he enters the room. You put a plate of ham

611
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: and cucumber sandwiches on the sideboard, wink at Sissy and

612
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: adjust the lush tea setting. On your way out of

613
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: the room, you go around the corner to the hallway

614
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: to the kitchen. You'd take a seat leaning toward the

615
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: parlor to try and get a listen to the conversation.

616
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: The man introduces himself and says he has some questions

617
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 3: about Henrika. Ah, Henrika, you've heard all the stories about her.

618
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: This is going to be good. What does an agent

619
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: of the Dowager Queen want with her? He asks Sissy

620
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 3: if she knows anything about Henrika's companion Helga. You mean Aurora,

621
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: asks Cissy. The man's eyes widen. A cuckoo clock on

622
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: the wall chimes two. Sissy proceeds to tell him all

623
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: about Aurora and that she expected that one day she'd

624
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: have to tell this story. Rora was born poor and

625
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: always tried to say she was royalty. Sissy saw right

626
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: through her. Her sister Henrika did not. She fell for

627
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: the story. The man takes copious notes as Cissy gets

628
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: them all the details. No, she hasn't really followed the

629
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: stories about Helga and ney Aurora. It just seemed too silly. No,

630
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: she hadn't talked to Henrika in ages. The man stands

631
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: to see himself out and thanks Sissy for her time.

632
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: His knee catches the corner of the tea tray and

633
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: sends it crashed into the ground. No worries, says sissy.

634
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: She shows him out and then comes around the corner

635
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: to ask if you caught it all and dish about

636
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: how wild this all is. You laugh and go get

637
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: some rags him up up the tea and fragments of China.

638
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: What a day. So, with this interview of Henrika's sister

639
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: out of the way, Norby went even closer to the source.

640
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: He made contact with Prince Vasa of Germany. This is

641
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: Gustav the fourth son.

642
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 5: Ah.

643
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know if this is legal or

644
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: not for him to reach.

645
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: Out to the guys, and it would make it his

646
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: sister if it was legit.

647
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so he did, he reaches out.

648
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't care. Yeah, I want the truth.

649
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: So the Prince says, there's absolutely no chance that this

650
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: is his sister, or his half sister or anything else.

651
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: His parents never reunited and his dad died alone.

652
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: And he knows that for a thund knows he got weird.

653
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: Trust me, no one wanted to be around that guy.

654
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: I was like, so Norby, he's like very interesting and

655
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: adds it to his little dossier. Then he scours the

656
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: church records with all these new leads until he's able

657
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: to complete a full dossier on how Helga is a

658
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: big phony.

659
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: I love the church records gallery.

660
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything. So then he takes his little manifesto to

661
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: the government and an investigation is open. I mean, like

662
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: Norby did all the heavy lifting, but whatever. They're like, oh,

663
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: an investigation. Here, we have this report. February seventh, eighteen

664
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: seventy the results of the investigation were published and Helga

665
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: was publicly exposed as a fraud. Six weeks later, the

666
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 3: government stopped her pension.

667
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: Six weeks that.

668
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: They noted that quote all uncertainty regarding the birth of

669
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: the so called Helga dela Broch is now raced, and

670
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: Helga de la Broch officially declared to be identical to

671
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: Aurora Florentina.

672
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: Magnuson, Oh, Helga, boom, all went up in her face.

673
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: Let's take a break. When we come back, we're gonna

674
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: see how this all shakes.

675
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: Out totally, Zarenbarren.

676
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: All right, So we have Helga de la Brosch.

677
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: Yes, Helga Helga, who.

678
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: Has now been exposed as Aurora Florentina Magnuson, a very

679
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: much non royal person, but a great name, great name.

680
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: Helga was not charged with fraud for the whole pension thing. Really,

681
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: they just cut her off.

682
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: They wanted the newspaper no more, no more embarrassing the crown.

683
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: After she's she goes to the Foreign Office and at

684
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: one point she said, quote you think then that I

685
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: am an impostor, And the general at the Foreign Office said, quote,

686
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: I don't think so, I'm sure of it.

687
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: I'm imagining all this outing like the Swedish chef.

688
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: And then they said that she left quote looking more

689
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: like a bad tempered woman found out than an offended princess.

690
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: So the dewey eyed girl is now suddenly hard as feelia.

691
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like, what would give.

692
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: Me my money? And where's my money? Money?

693
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 4: I got you?

694
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure what happened between eighteen seventy and

695
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: eighteen seventy six.

696
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

697
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: Here's my speculation. I think that the pension was cut

698
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: quietly in order to save face for a lot of people. Sure,

699
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: and like she stayed mum about it. How she was living,

700
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: who knows. But in eighteen seventy six, six years after

701
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: the government learned who she was and stopped paying her

702
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: for being nobility, like the public at large found out

703
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: about it.

704
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: Wait, so it didn't hit the newspapers at first, No, no, no,

705
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: I was comically exposed, but it was like the y

706
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: in the royal courts, but not in the newspaper.

707
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: Years. Then the public really finds out whoa and they

708
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: go nuts and so how the call on that way?

709
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: She gets arrested and she gets charged not with defrauding

710
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: the government of all that money?

711
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: Do you think she doubled in the secrety like shadowy

712
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: area of the royal courts, Like she's still hanging around

713
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: somehow trying to and then she messes up the wrong person.

714
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you know, I know someone at the paper. Yeah,

715
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: we're getting rid of this for good.

716
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: I totally think.

717
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 5: So.

718
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: Oh interesting.

719
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: So she gets arrested and charged with Like they didn't

720
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: charge her with defrauding the government.

721
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: Huh.

722
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: She's charged with registering herself under a false name and

723
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: year of birth and charged with not paying taxes in

724
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: her real.

725
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: Oh the compone style.

726
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: The trial is a corker. Yes, it came out that

727
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: Helga had taken on the name of a girl about

728
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: her age, who had died or was otherwise like missing.

729
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: She did the classic I doesn't.

730
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: Say, classic move, Wow, classic move. According to a testimony

731
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: in eighteen seventy seven by a member of parliament av Ure,

732
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: Helga's two actual sisters told him that their sister had

733
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: drowned on purpose, and they'd written to their mother asking

734
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: her not to tell anyone how their sister died. And

735
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: they believed this, and they said it happened on June ninth,

736
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 3: eighteen forty two, when the body of an unknown woman

737
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: was taken to the local mortuary having drowned, and Helga

738
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: made it seem like it was her, and she fooled

739
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: her sisters and her mom into thinking the very same. Now,

740
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: Norby went and interviewed one of the sisters and she

741
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: was like, well, let me tell you the whole story.

742
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: We didn't quite fully believe it.

743
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: So, but that was not one of Helga's sisters. That

744
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 3: was one of Henrika's sisters.

745
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, keep that in mind.

746
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: So her, but Helga's family thinks she's taken her own

747
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: this gone. Yeah, And so the problem is that here's

748
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: the problem. So she makes it look like she drowned

749
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: and with an insinuation that she did it to herself.

750
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: The problem is that Aurora Florentine and Magnuson wrote a

751
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: church book note on September twenty second, eighteen ten forty four,

752
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: when she was supposed to have died June ninth, eighteen

753
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: forty two. So she writes in there and then remember

754
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: eighteen forty four, that's when she applied for the passport

755
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: in her new name. But it's said that she used

756
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: to be a roar.

757
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she waited to way too long, way too long,

758
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: so she got the order backwards that you get the passport.

759
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: Then you go and yeah, so Helga, well, I mean,

760
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: why do you even have to say what you're I mean,

761
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: I guess you have to say that you changed some paperwork.

762
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. Helga had this like convoluted explanation for

763
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: this in court, that the church book note was falsified

764
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: and there was like some intrigue about a priest protecting.

765
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: The king, oh good, and always throwing dir covering things up.

766
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: But oh, I love this.

767
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: I don't understand what she was talking about. And I'm

768
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: not even going to give you the quote because the

769
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: quote is like, you know, you think that your brain

770
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 3: starts circuiting. On March second, eighteen seventy seven, Helda gets

771
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: found guilty of registering herself under a false name, a

772
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: false year of birth, and for not tax registering herself

773
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: for the year of eighteen seventy seven year. They gave

774
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: her a fine, but she didn't have to do anything, okay.

775
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 3: So she and Henrika they lived together in this little

776
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: apartment that some supporter was paying for. So she still

777
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: had people who believed in her, and they kept to themselves.

778
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: They didn't go out much. They had a very sort

779
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: of proto COVID lockdown thing going, okay, Like when they

780
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: left the apartment it was to go for a walk

781
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: in a big park. They had all their food delivered

782
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: in huh. So then on November twenty did just to.

783
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: Avoid the public as anyone recognized her.

784
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And November twentieth, eighteen seventy eight, Helga brought

785
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: an action against the Fiscal Office and King Oscar. She

786
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: said that they owed her money.

787
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: Where's my check?

788
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, In fact, they owed her all the money she

789
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: should have gotten since eighteen seventy when they cut her off.

790
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: Okay, of course, why not?

791
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, eight years worth of pension all of my background,

792
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: and her lawyers asked the court to order that the

793
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: Fiscal Office and then King King Oscar, under pain of execution,

794
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 3: pay Helga.

795
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: Under pain of execution. Terrence Howard trying to get honey

796
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: he's owed by his old agency. You only one hundred

797
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: and thirty million dollars I cut a made. You're like,

798
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: what do you do?

799
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: You understand how she wants the whole thing.

800
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to kill the king. I don't get my money.

801
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty seven thousand, and I don't know if they

802
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: put interest on that or it's just interest. Obviously, the

803
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 3: Crown and the government told him to kick Rocks because

804
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: it was proven that Hellgo wasn't who she said she.

805
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: Was, and no one had forgotten.

806
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: Case gets thrown out eighteen eighty four. King Oscar the

807
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: Second saw Helga and Henrika. He's like looks out the

808
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: window and he sees him walking in the gardens of

809
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: Drotting Home palace.

810
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: So there's like walking back and forth inro front of

811
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: his window.

812
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: They're like walking around like do to do as if

813
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: they own the place.

814
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: Oh like that, uh huh oh, it's not even like

815
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: public garden.

816
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 3: No, no, no, this is the palace garden. Yeah, he

817
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: looks at his bedroom windows.

818
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: They are in his garden basically.

819
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: Sniffing flowers and cutting them, and oh isn't this lovely?

820
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, hell no, uh, set them girls

821
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: away from my roses.

822
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: He's like, she's not going to pull this again and

823
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: go for like squatters rights or something. That he's getting nervous,

824
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: so he has the guards like rush out there and

825
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: escort them out. And like this brush with authorities really

826
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: spooked the ladies. So they moved to a new apartment

827
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: and tried to lay low again. It was like they

828
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: got a little too much confidence.

829
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: Do you think they got ruffed up?

830
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 3: I think so, yeah. I think they were, like, you know,

831
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: they raised a fist at them. So the thing is like,

832
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: at this point, Helga believes her story. She doesn't even

833
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: think she's conning anymore at this point. Yeah, And so

834
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 3: in fact, I'm not really sure when it became her

835
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: reality and not a con but at this point she

836
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: believes the story one hundred percent. She's like positive that

837
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: she's the king's daughter. She carried herself like a princess,

838
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: like one who had to face in dignities and soldier on.

839
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 2: It could put upon princess.

840
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: Totally, and she was sad. There was like this paul

841
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 3: about her. But she held her head up and she

842
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: didn't waver in her belief about her identity.

843
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 2: The quiet dignity of the world.

844
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: She carried that on all the way until the end

845
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: of her life eighteen eighty five. She died at the

846
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: age of sixty seven. So fourteen years.

847
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: Later, I'm not done, Zarin, Are you kidding?

848
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 3: Not done? Fourteen years later, on the cuspand of a

849
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: New Century July ninth, eighteen ninety nine, the run socker

850
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: end I said that wrong, political weekly published in Uppsala.

851
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there, I told you, I told you it said. Quote.

852
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: Gustaf the fourth Adolph, the last King of Sweden of

853
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: the House of Wassa Vasa, who was dethroned May tenth,

854
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: eighteen oh nine, was married October thirty first, seventeen ninety

855
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: seven to Princess Fredrika of Baden. Three children resulted from

856
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: the wedlock, Prince Gustav, who died as Field Marshal of

857
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: the Austrian Army, Sophie Wilhelmina, Grand Duchess of Baden, who

858
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: died July seventh, eighteen sixty five, and Cecilia, Grand Duchess

859
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: of Oldenburg, who died January twenty seventh, eighteen forty four.

860
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: The dethroned king was divorced from Frederica in eighteen twelve,

861
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: and here begins what is either a romance or a

862
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: dangerous state seeker?

863
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 4: Great, this is official, this is in the paper.

864
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so then the article goes on to say

865
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: that the then Swedish Crown Prince, who became Oscar the

866
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: First told this guy named Professor Tornos to free Helga

867
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: quote and the latter remained since then and until the

868
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: death of her protector July eighth, eighteen fifty nine, unmolested

869
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: in Stockholm and part of the time in Finland. So

870
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: they're making this canon. They're like, this is this state

871
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: secret and everyone covered it up, and here's the truth

872
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: why they said that. Charles the fifteenth, Yeah, a successor

873
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 3: you know of Charles the fourteenth, also paid Helga's pension

874
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: until he got sick in eighteen seventy and that's why

875
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: the payments ceased. So they're like, none of this thing

876
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: with the research and the dossier. They wait, you know, no,

877
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: that's all and.

878
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: The investigation and then the courts and all that's out.

879
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they said that Swedish politicians made it look

880
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: like Helga was a swindler who was under Russian protection.

881
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: They blame the Russians.

882
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: They blamed the Russian and then so they in the

883
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: paper they're claiming that the Russians were asking for their

884
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: money back and wanted payment for damages for the insults

885
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: against Helga for not taking her at her word. What

886
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: And they said that it was Sweden who caught her

887
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: up in this web of espionage, not them, Like this

888
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: is all coming out of left field.

889
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: Is I'm assuming this is tied to imperial politics of

890
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: the area.

891
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay, and so like this has not been

892
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: brought up during her life exactly. So in nineteen oh nine,

893
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 3: this politician, Pere August Johansen, he tries to clear Helga's name.

894
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: He like wants the whole thing settled. No one does anything.

895
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 3: So then the next year, the next year he comes

896
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: out and he's like, Okay, the reason I want to

897
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: do this, I'm Helga's grandson.

898
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: No, we have another grifter.

899
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: Well, and that's pretty amazing since it looks like she

900
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: never had children.

901
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't remember anything.

902
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: There are okay, there are some documents in Swedish. There

903
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: was one document that I found that mentioned a pregnancy

904
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: in her early years, but the context in the translation

905
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: led me to believe that it meant her birth, not

906
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: the birth of a child. Ah and like, because you

907
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: know how translation goes gets at times. Yeah, and this

908
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: is the only time I saw anything with like a

909
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: close mention of it.

910
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 5: Yeah.

911
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: There were no men in her life, you know, So

912
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: I think this is just a fellow grifter. And so

913
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: Johansen said he wanted one point two five million krona

914
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 3: from the Swedish royal family.

915
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: He's going big, don't we all?

916
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: He said, The royal family also had to fork over

917
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: four letters that Helga gave the royal family in eighteen

918
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 3: forty two.

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00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: How did you know about that?

920
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: Well, it's his grandmother. So what's with the one point

921
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 3: twenty five Yeah, Johansen said, Helga never got the millions

922
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: of reeks doaller that Czar Alexander the first brought for her.

923
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: And apparently the letters, those four letters proved Johansen's title

924
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: to the money.

925
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: Okay, and that was the Russian money part. And maybe

926
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: showedown my.

927
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: Grandson and someday he's going to come out the woodwork

928
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: and ask for this money.

929
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: Give him his money, run him his check.

930
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 3: Jo Hansen said the Russians paid the money to the

931
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Speaker 3: Swedish royal family and that's where the pension money came

932
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: from up until eighteen seventy and we want interest, but

933
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: we have the whole other investigation that proved this sort

934
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: of thing fault exactly. So there's this guy, Count von Rosen.

935
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: He testified at the trial that he believed Helga to

936
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: be sincere, stating, quote, if she did deceive, it was

937
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: because she herself had been deceived. She had from her

938
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: earliest childhood heard statements from which sprang the conviction till

939
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: her dying hour that she was, in truth, the daughter

940
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: of the king. So he's making it out like there

941
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: were outside forces. Yeah, that she's part and she's not

942
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 3: just from other like cons but like she's told this story,

943
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: King Ostricar the second and others didn't believe there were

944
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: any letters ever. They're just like, get out of here.

945
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: Helga's landlady Maria Charlotte Nyberg said that during the last

946
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: years of her life, Helga often talked about all the

947
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: drama around her royal life, and that she once told

948
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: Nyberg that of a meeting that she had with her

949
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: father with Gustas around eighteen thirty on the island of

950
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: Then in the Sound, during which she received from him

951
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: letters regarding that one point twenty five million that was

952
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: deposited in her interest with the Swedish royal family by

953
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: the Russians. So whether the Landlady Nyberg was talking to Johansen,

954
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 3: who's say so. The officials, they all continued to reject

955
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: the claims of royal lineage. They brushed off Johansen. However,

956
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 3: one member of the government testified that in nineteen oh

957
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: one he spent three months in Stockholm interviewing high officials

958
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 3: and members of parliament, including the Premier, Baron von Auter.

959
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: Everyone he talked to assured him that Helga was who

960
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: she claimed to be. The guy found out that Helga

961
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 3: had been to the Royal Palace a bunch of times

962
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: and that while she was there she was privately acknowledged

963
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: to be of royal blood, and that oh the Russians

964
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: also had given the royal family money and then it

965
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 3: had been deposited and that was used to pay the pension. Sure.

966
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

967
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: So then in nineteen twenty four, Professor Karl Hollendorf he

968
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: published a study where he said the whole thing had

969
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 3: to be put in historical context. Apparently there were similar

970
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: nineteenth century claims to royalty, and he said they were

971
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: a product mainly of quote adventurous over excited imagination, which

972
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: has hardened around a fixed idea.

973
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, I know there's a lot of stuff with

974
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: the French and the Germans, where like all those little

975
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: German baronies, and then obviously the French Revolution claim buddy

976
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: and lost and faked, and then they're like, oh I

977
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: found the paperwork and the right Wait a.

978
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: Minute, exactly. So I mean humans do love royalty?

979
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: Oh god do we some reasons?

980
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: And you know we love a good story. Yeah, so,

981
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: Zaren was your ridiculous takeaway.

982
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: I don't love royalty, so all this stuff. I'm just like,

983
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: I've never my sister, she's a royal watcher. She loves

984
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: the stuff. A shout out mags. But you know, I know,

985
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: not me. I don't even like it, like in my stories,

986
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: Like if I'm watching a movie, I'm like, oh no,

987
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: down with the king. I don't know why what about me?

988
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: But I'm so much a proletariat of the people, like

989
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: I just want them to I don't so all these

990
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: stories I root for them, like any of these con

991
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: artists to try to weasel their way in. I'm like, yeah,

992
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: go on, Aurora, bilk them. I don't care, you know,

993
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: Like I'm a little weird about how I root for

994
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: these con artists. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. It

995
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: all comes down to really who their targets are and

996
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: these people they're getting their entertainment. It seems like a

997
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: fair exchange. They want to feel exciting and they want

998
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: to feel like, oh people want to be in our circle. Boom,

999
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: everyone's happy. I don't see a victim.

1000
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: I agree.

1001
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: Weezom girl, I agree. I'm with thers, Elizabeth.

1002
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: That's my takeaway. I say, you know, when it comes

1003
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: to like the royal families, they didn't they didn't earn

1004
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: that money.

1005
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: No, there's always there's always a great crime story totally.

1006
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 3: So you know what I do need?

1007
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: Though?

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00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: What do you need? Elizabeth? Can I can I get it?

1009
00:46:53,520 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: Can I lift it? I need a talk bag's? Oh

1010
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: my god, I love.

1011
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: You, Hey, guys, just another rude dude here, just wanted

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00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: to let you know that Horsey sauce is a mayonnaise

1013
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: based horse radish sauce. Not that good kind of spicy

1014
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Speaker 1: if you're into that kind of thing.

1015
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 4: How is that that's the.

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00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: Oh it's a hmm okay, a horse radish.

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00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got that horse and then the mayonnaise. I

1018
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: guess it's just the bas sauce in this case. I

1019
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 2: like that I can get you to.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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