1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: Christopher Columbus, the Genoese explorer, thanks to the Spanish monarchy, 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: changes the world, changes the future of humanity in a 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: way that is amazing and worthy of celebration, an incredible achievement. 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: This is a moment perhaps where you might be wondering, oh, 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: what does the leadership of the Democrat party think about 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: Christopher Columbus? Well, where do they come down on this issue? 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know. What about the person who 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: is held up by the Democrats as the next leader 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: of the free world? What does Kamala Harris? I'm sure, 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: by the way, we're probably a few hours from this 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: being Oh, she no longer feels that way. Right, We'll 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: get somebody anonymously from political will say, you know, scoop, 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris aid say she no longer feels this way 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: about Columbus Day. But yeah, you know, Clayton, it's totally good. 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: It is funny that you would have to have somebody 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 3: anonymous say, yeah, she actually is a big Columbus Day person. 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: Big Columbus, Oh, huge fan of Columbus celebrates his whole catalog. 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: Here she is in not like two thousand and eight, 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: not two thousand and two. Here she is at the 22 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: beginning of her vice presidential term talking about uh European 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: explorers on the This is the National Congress of American 24 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: Indian seventy eighth Annual Convention. This is what she thinks 25 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: about the exploration of America. Play it. 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: Since nineteen thirty four, every October the United States has 27 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 4: recognized the voyage of the European explorers who first landed 28 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 4: on the shores of the Americas. But that is not 29 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: the whole story. That has never been the whole story. 30 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 4: Those explore ushered in a wave of devastation for tribal nations, 31 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 4: perpetrating violence, stealing land, and spreading disease. We must not 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 4: shy away from this shameful past, and we must shed 33 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 4: light on it and do everything we can to address 34 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 4: the impact of the past on Native communities today. 35 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: Okay, this could be a much longer conversation about what 36 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: the reservation system in America has turned into and all 37 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: the casinos and all this stuff. The clay I would 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: just put it this way. It was amazing what Columbus 39 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: accomplished and in terms of everything that came afterwards. And 40 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 2: I've read extensively about what it was like. Even in 41 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: the pre American colonial error, bad stuff was notn on 42 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: both sides. They lost, the Europeans won, and now we're 43 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: an American. It's a great place. Like what really, even 44 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: if we took kama letter word here, what are we 45 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: supposed to do? 46 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: It is a fantastic question. And I mean, if you 47 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: had a real historical conversation, what in Kamala Harris's ideal 48 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 3: world would the fourteen and fifteen hundreds have looked like? 49 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: What should have occurred that did not? Overwhelmingly, Western civilization 50 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: has made the world better. And so to pick different 51 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: aspects of history that you don't like five hundred years 52 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 3: ago that none of us had any control over, well. 53 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: I just want to know how many lives if we're 54 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: going to play this game. And she's like, oh, well, 55 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: they brought disease, Well, yes, because the immune systems of 56 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: the people who were isolated here from the rest of 57 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: the planet were unable to handle pathogens that were freely 58 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: spread in societies all over the world by trade and exploration. 59 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: But just put that aside, how many lives were actually 60 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: saved by and I'm talking about all in by things 61 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: like I don't know, antibiotics. Yeah, how many lives were 62 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: saved by clean drinking water. How many lives have been 63 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: saved by the civilizational advances that, by the way, didn't 64 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: just come from Europe. Came from many places around the world, 65 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: but they were civilizational advances. We can't just pick the 66 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: bad and leave out the good. And also I would 67 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: point out there is such a rewriting of history that 68 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: goes on when it comes to the native tribes in 69 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: this country, Clay, they were in a constant state of 70 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: warfare with each other. I mentioned the Aztecs, but even 71 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: if you look at other tribes, including tribes that were 72 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: in Texas, tribes that were in the northeast parts of 73 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: the iroquoidation, cannibalism was practiced. They'd like to eat their enemies. 74 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: They would say it was for ritual purposes. But mutilation 75 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: of men, women and children in warfare. Like this whole 76 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: notion that it was like the movie Pocahontas where everyone's 77 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: just you know, the the nobles and the bees and 78 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: everyone's just getting along is a complete and utter lie. 79 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: They were in a stone age in turn of the 80 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: civilizational advances. They had, as we pointed out, no wheel, 81 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: no writing, and they fought wars against the people that 82 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: showed up here, just like people fight wars all over 83 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: the world. And they lost. And now we're all you know, 84 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: now we're all here together. So I just the whole 85 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: thing to me is a one. It's it's ahistorical. It's uh, 86 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: it's unhelpful today. But Comma, there's Kamala Harris who's like, oh, well, 87 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: the horrible things that the Europeans did. 88 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 3: Also, there was no way to stop disease. Even if 89 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: we had arrived here and only been super kind to everyone, 90 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: the disease was still going to spread widely. 91 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: Do we it's actually all these diseases they think. Bubonic plague, 92 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: for example, came from Asia and arrived on ships originally 93 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: in Venice and and you know merchants, Genoese merchants, Venetian merchants, 94 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: and then it made its way all through Europe. Are 95 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: we sitting here like. 96 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 5: We need we need reparations from Asia for the bubbon plague? 97 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 5: You know, six hundred years ago, No, man, I mean 98 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 5: it was a tough world. Things happened, bad stuff went down. 99 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you human beings humanity life 100 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: was brutish, nasty and short. Anyway, I don't want to 101 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: spend too much time on it. I do just think 102 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: it's worth noting that Kamala Harris goes along with this. 103 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: I do want to note that I hear from people 104 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: all the time now when they go to college tours 105 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: and stuff. They start with these indigenous land, you know, 106 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: proclamation about how I know how we are here on 107 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: stolen then actually, no, it's ours now. Sorry. 108 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: I am taking my son around, my oldest to visit 109 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: different campuses, and many of the campus tours Buck, before 110 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 3: they even tell you about the history of the school 111 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 3: at all, begin with land acknowledgments. And I felt like 112 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: I was being pranked. When you're there and you're excited 113 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: to go tour a campus, and the very first thing 114 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: the campus tour guide says is before we start to work, 115 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 3: walk you around here, we want to acknowledge this is 116 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: stole land. I can't believe that this is complate. They 117 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: do this now Buck In many universities. On the first 118 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: day of class, it's written in the syllabus, these land acknowledgments. 119 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: It's so crazy, you know, when you. 120 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: Go back and you actually read the history, if you 121 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: read honest history of what happened, and a lot Texans 122 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: tend to know more about this. Texas was out on 123 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: its own, particularly the early eighteen hundreds and going up 124 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: to the period of a Civil War when it came 125 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: to dealing with the native tribes, particularly the Comanche, the Apache, 126 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: the Kiowa, and one of the things that's left out 127 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: it's always, oh, though the white man made these treaties 128 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: and broke the treaties, there would be these tribes Comanche 129 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: is a good example, and they would decide, like some 130 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: of the young braves would decide that they wanted to 131 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: out make a name for themselves, and they would do 132 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: something called murder rates, that's actually what they called it. 133 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: Then they weren't trying to they weren't showing up at 134 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: a fort and fighting with able bodied men to see 135 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: who was going to be in controlled territory. They would 136 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: wait until women and children were left alone. They would 137 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: go in enslave and or rape, murder, mutilate. And then 138 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: when we would sit and say, hold on a second, 139 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: I thought we had a treaty with you guys, you know, 140 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: the chief would say sorry, I can't control everybody, or sorry, 141 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: that's not my tribe. Well, you know, imagine that that's 142 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: your life on the frontier. After a while, you get 143 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: pretty tired of that. So there's a total rewriting of 144 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: this issue that goes on people. One of the problems 145 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: even then was that Texans were like, this is horrible, 146 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: this is what's going on, And people in DC and 147 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,119 Speaker 2: the Northeast were, what's the problem, Yeah, aren't there aren't 148 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: they just you know, civilizing like all the rest of 149 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: us and everything. Great, No it is not. Actually, they're 150 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: going on murder raids. 151 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: And this is a history that's not talked about now ever. 152 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: Ever, I do a whole podcast series on this. People 153 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: should know this stuff. People should know what went on. 154 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: People should know that they that first of all, they 155 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: were they were slavers. The Native Americans. Oh yes, practiced 156 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 2: widespread and continuous slavery against each other and eventually against 157 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: white settlers who were here. 158 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 3: Yes, there was a huge So all of this is 159 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: a like, can we play just to have a little 160 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: bit of humor. We've got the sopranos, because we mentioned 161 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: this in the past hour. I think we've got the 162 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 3: sopranos audio. 163 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: I hope we have the bleeps in there. 164 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: I think, well, we'll see the bleeps. 165 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we got bleeps. All right. 166 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: So here is Tony Soprano, one of the great shows 167 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: in the history of television. Weighing in to your point, 168 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 3: we're here in New York City, huge Italian population. My 169 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 3: mother in law's Italian. She would probably nod along entirely 170 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: with Tony Soprano. 171 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: Here. He discovered America, is what he did. He was 172 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: a brave Attalian explorer. And this house, Christopher Columbus is 173 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: a hero and a story. Yes, okay Soprano. 174 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: The Indigenous people Day concept is so laughably absurd that 175 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 3: I can't believe it's reason. 176 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: I just, you know what, I also would want to ask, okay, 177 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: what land, what land did they own? Like, show me 178 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: how how do you even sort of you know how 179 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: they you know, how they did determine who owned what 180 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: land among the tribes, what they keep by force of 181 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 2: arms against other tribes. That's it. There were no deeds, 182 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: there was none of this stuff. It was just, Hey, 183 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: if you come into my hunting territory, I'm gonna scalp you. 184 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: We also had the whole thing too. Of suddenly scalping 185 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: becomes a practice, and they try to say, now that 186 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: this comes from the European side of things. Interesting, never 187 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: happened anywhere else until they came into the Americas. And 188 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: guess what they would take trophies of each other. And 189 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: people even ask me, you can go check. There were 190 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: among the Native American tribes there was cannibalism practice, not 191 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: by all of them, but by some of them. You 192 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: will not read that in books until you find the 193 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: right books. It is true. 194 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 3: This also ties in with the entire concept of trying 195 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 3: to redefine American history around slavery, which is what they've 196 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: tried to do with The New York Times, for instance. 197 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: The idea that slavery only existed in the United States 198 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: is really kind of embedded in the left wing attempt 199 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: to destroy the history of the United States. 200 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: This country fought its first foreign war in large part, 201 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: really entirely to stop the enslavement of white Europeans by 202 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: Barbary corsairs off the north from the North African coast. 203 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: Essentially that was to the shores of Tripoli. That's why 204 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: we actually fought our first So why we outfitted a navy, 205 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: we had six frigates. We deployed them and we had 206 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: to go fight because and we asked, Actually, there was 207 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: a one of the you know, the Pasha or the 208 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: Amy or whatever he's called himself at the time, was 209 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: was in London and R. Mssary I believe it might 210 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: have even been Jefferson at the time, said why are 211 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: you doing this to us? Because the Koran says we 212 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: can and we like to. That's it. So when we're 213 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: enslaving our people. 214 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: One of the huge lessons of world history, if you 215 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: actually study it, is every single person listening to us 216 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 3: right now has at some point had ancestors who were 217 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: slaves and people who owned slaves. One hundred percent of you, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic. 218 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: If you go back far enough, slavery was so endemic 219 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: in society that every single one of you has an 220 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: ancestor who owned slaves and was See. 221 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 2: The word comes from slav Actually, that's the root of it, 222 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: and it goes back to ancient Roman times. So the 223 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: original slaves, if you will, or white people in eastern Europe, 224 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: that is where the term originated from. Two thousand years ago. 225 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 2: I talked about the slave trade. By the way that 226 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: slave trade of barbary corsairs off of North Africa. It 227 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: wasn't a short period. It went on for about three 228 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,239 Speaker 2: hundred years. They went as far as Ireland and Iceland. 229 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: They would go all along the coast of Spain. In fact, 230 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: the Spanish in the sixteenth century were terrified. They would 231 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: tell their children's stories about Barbarossa the pirate, and how 232 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: he would steal children from the coast, because they did. 233 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: By the way, that was a thing that would happen. 234 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: They would show up anyway. We could talk with this 235 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: all day long. But this idea that it was like, oh, 236 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: everything was great here. 237 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: It was not utopia. 238 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: They were not noble savages, which was another aspect of 239 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: the way that they were described in the Jefferson Sonian era. No, 240 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: their lives were brutal and filled with violence, and in 241 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: no way were they living in some sort of dentic paradise. 242 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: When we were right, Davy Crockett and we have Crockett Coffee. 243 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: Davy Crockett's grandfather was scalped by Indians. Yeah, okay, this 244 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: was a reality of life on the frontier. Imagine that's there, 245 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: you know, I know Joe Biden's like, you know, my 246 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: grand My granduncle was eaten by Cannibal's or something. I're 247 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: almost eaten by Cannibal's turn. Now that wasn't true, but 248 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: it's Joe Biden. But this was reality of life on 249 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: the frontier. We get a very one sided story. And yeah, 250 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: people do really horrible things. I mean, go back and 251 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: read about the Thirty Years War in Germany and Europe. 252 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: People do very terrible things to each other. But it's 253 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: only this one where all of a sudden we're like, 254 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: where's I'm supposed to make amends for this today? I 255 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: didn't do anything. You didn't do any No one listening 256 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: to this did anything. But we're supposed to sit around 257 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: and say, oh, you know, I'm so worried about it anyway, 258 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: And Kamala Harris plays into that game just just saying it. 259 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: She she is all about whatever the woke demands. This 260 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: whole moderate Kamala thing is absolute garbage. It's not true. 261 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: Clay travs here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at 262 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 263 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: You are going to love this. What is this woman's name, Buck. 264 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: I don't want even name her like she's she's a 265 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: left wing political analyst. Supposedly she was going out to 266 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: buy alcohol to celebrate Kamala Harris's win. She recorded a 267 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: video about lecturing a Trump supporter she saw. 268 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: This is amazing. Just kick your feet up and enjoy. 269 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 6: We're closing in on almost five pm Eastern time, and 270 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 6: I've been trucking everything that's been going on across the 271 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 6: country today. 272 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 7: And my most important encounter was when I went out 273 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 7: to get my champagne. I was talking to the guy 274 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 7: in the store, of course, asking him did he vote, 275 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 7: and he said he did early voting, and he asked 276 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 7: me if I early voted, and he asked me. You 277 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 7: know why I was. 278 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 6: Getting the shampag and I said, because I'm going to 279 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 6: be toasting Madam President tonight. And he just looked at 280 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 6: me with kind of like a smirk on his face, 281 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 6: and I said, you know she's going to win this, 282 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 6: right And he said, oh, well, it's very very close. 283 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 6: And I said, no, it's not. Says well, what do 284 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 6: you mean, I said, no, it's not. The women of 285 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 6: America are making their voices heard. Reproductive rights is what 286 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 6: it all comes down to, and the women are voting 287 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 6: in numbers relative to men that are unbelievable. She's won this. 288 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 6: And I said to him, she's going to take every 289 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 6: one of the swing states plus O plus Iowa. And 290 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 6: he said, oh, but the numbers are so close. I said, 291 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 6: I'm a political analyst. I'm telling you right now, the 292 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 6: numbers are there. She's taking this election. 293 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 7: I've said to him, you realize And he didn't tell 294 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 7: me who he voted for, but. 295 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 6: Of course I knew, and I said, you do realize 296 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 6: you wasted your vote, right, And I didn't care. 297 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 7: I walked out with my bottle of champagne and happily 298 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,239 Speaker 7: walked home. 299 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 6: The vie. 300 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 3: This may be my favorite clip that we have ever 301 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: played in the history of the show. And I want 302 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: to hear from that liquor storer guy, if you happen 303 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: to be listening to us right now and you remember 304 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: that interaction and you sold that bottle of champagne. I 305 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 3: would love to hear from the Trump voter who got 306 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: laughed at and let him react. That clip is amazing. 307 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: It's up at clayonbuck dot com. I'm gonna tweet it 308 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 3: out right now. I can't wait to share that. 309 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Traps and Buck Sexton. 310 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: You can debate border policy and some of that gets confusing. 311 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: You can debate tax policy, it's easy to get mucked 312 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: up in the details. Whether a dude should be able 313 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: to compete as a women's athlete and win a women's 314 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: championship is so crystallizing that I think it's cutting through 315 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: the noise as we come and come down the home 316 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: stretch here. And I hope Kamala Harris gets asked about 317 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: this because you thought you've heard word salad from her 318 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: so far, Buck, Can you imagine her trying to respond 319 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: on this issue this issue Initially men were like me, 320 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 3: we're driving it because we saw it as crazy, and 321 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: men tend to in general be bigger sports fans than women, 322 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: and I think men understand the concept of men being bigger, stronger, 323 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 3: and faster, particularly if you played sports than women did. 324 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: But now, thanks to many people like Riley Gaines speaking out, 325 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: women are finding their own voice on this issue. And 326 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: I think a lot of women were afraid that they 327 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 3: weren't being kind enough, or they weren't being caring or 328 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 3: empathetic enough for the trans community. And that moment is 329 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 3: passed and women are taking a substantial lead and talking 330 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 3: about this issue. And I think Riley Gaines, Jennifer Say, 331 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 3: who is out there for women's gymnast who has her 332 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: own clothing company. I think a lot of women's athletes 333 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: are saying enough is enough. We're not going to stand 334 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: for that. And it's going on right now in the 335 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: battleground state of Nevada where women's volleyball team said we 336 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: don't want to play against San Jose State University that 337 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: has a man that is dominating women's college volleyball on 338 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: the team, and a lot of women are saying, we're 339 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: not playing in a match if they're going to have 340 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: a man competing against this. 341 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: It's just not fair. 342 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: I also just wait for there to be a real 343 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 2: defense of this practice. You'll notice that whenever it comes up, 344 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: they are these there's these steps that the left will 345 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 2: go through. It doesn't happen that often. Why is it 346 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: such a big deal to you? Why are you being 347 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: so mean? Why can't you just be inclusive? They won't 348 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: address the core issue, which is not only is this 349 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: unfair biologically unfair? I mean, why why have age differences 350 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 2: in sports? Why not let sixteen year olds play ten 351 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: year olds in soccer or basketball, Yeah, exactly, you know 352 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: why not? I mean, why do we have these separations? 353 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: Because we're trying to create some baseline of biologically based 354 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: fairness and they can't actually address this, So what do 355 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: they do? They attack? It's a little bit like what 356 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: I dealt with on the Bill Marshow. I'm smoking them 357 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: on all the arguments. So it's like, well, you're not 358 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: like that? Cool? Yeah, well what does that have to 359 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: do with anything? I mean, they can't make a coherent 360 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: defense of any of this, and in a sense, Kamala, 361 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to offer something up. Clay. Kamala is actually 362 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: the perfect candidate for this moment in Democrat politics because 363 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: her incoherence on everything, the fact that she stands for 364 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: nothing except power is a perfect encapsulation of what the 365 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: Democrat Party of today is, and the fact that she 366 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: says her principles haven't changed when she's changed her mind 367 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: on everything is a perfect a perfect overview of where 368 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: the Democrat Party is right now. Nothing makes sense and 369 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: it's not supposed to shut up and let them run 370 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: your life. 371 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: We've got another cut that I wanted to play. We 372 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 3: mentioned that Kamala did a town hall and every time 373 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 3: she does one of these interviews. There is a question 374 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: that to me becomes a central negativity associated with the 375 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 3: interview that she did, whether there's not a thing she 376 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 3: would change from the view and Colbet. Most recently, every 377 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 3: time she speaks she says something that turns off a 378 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: large majority of the population. I think that's why they 379 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: hit her to such an extent. But Buck, she was 380 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: asked about reparations. She in the past has said that 381 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: she believes reparation should happen. California studied the issue, and 382 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 3: even Gavin Newsom said, yeah, I understand the recommendation, but no, California, 383 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: which never permitted slavery, by the way, and has a 384 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 3: relatively small as a percentage of the population overall black population. 385 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 3: I think California is only six or eight percent black. 386 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: Buck. 387 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: That sometimes surprises people large Asian, large Hispanic, large white population, 388 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 3: but not that large of a black population. She was 389 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 3: asked and Gavin Newsom said, the cost on this is 390 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: just outrageous. There's no way we can do it. Basically, 391 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: thanks for the recommendation, but we're not going to do it. 392 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: She said, we need to study it. 393 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: Cost estimates around twelve trillion dollars for reparations. Buck, here's 394 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 3: Kamala on racial reparations. 395 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm running to be a president for all Americans. 396 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 4: That being said, I do have clear eyes about the 397 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 4: disparities that exist and the context in which they exist, 398 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 4: meaning history to your point, So my agenda, well, first 399 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 4: of all, on the point of reparations, it has to 400 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 4: be studied. There's no question about that. And I've been 401 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 4: very clear about that position. 402 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about this. First of all. I love 403 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: when she says I've been very clear. When she gives 404 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 2: a non answer. This should be like if you were 405 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 2: like if Clay asked me, He's like, Buck, what do 406 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: you think about this? And I was like, I played 407 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: the fifth As I have been very clear about my answer. 408 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 2: It's like, well, you're not answering. Actually, you're choosing to 409 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 2: give a total non answer. In this process. A few 410 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: things that would come up, and this is one of 411 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: reparations I might add to the national electorate. Incredibly unpopular. 412 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: Eighty twenty against at least. 413 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, eighty twenty against at least for obvious reasons. A 414 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: lot of people oppose this. But if you're going to 415 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: have reparations, here are the questions I have to ask 416 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: who gets them? What do you have to do to 417 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: qualify for them? How much? So questions like, if you're 418 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 2: a quarter African American, do you do you get like 419 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: twenty five percent of what the full reparations package would be? 420 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 2: You know, how far back do you go? I mean, 421 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 2: if you're half African American, let's say, yeah, you get 422 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: a different percent. These are the questions you would have 423 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: to answer. If you are a Nigerian immigrants, do the 424 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: United States have a higher than most groups in this 425 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: country household income? But would they know they wouldn't qualify 426 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 2: for reparations? Okay, well who does? Who doesn't? At what 427 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: point do you start to make these distinctions or rather 428 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: how far back do you have to go? And the 429 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: other part of the clay is it's immoral because you're 430 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: taking money from people today with the force of the 431 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: state based on some historical you know, some historical story. 432 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: And then also it's never enough. This is this is 433 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: the part of it that everybody knows, right, there would 434 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: never be enough money in this program, just like all 435 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: other redistribution of wealth programs. It's never enough to deal 436 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: with the problem. 437 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's it's messy on so many different levels. 438 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: To your point, you have to do percentage analysis, right, 439 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 3: because huge percentages of the people who live in America 440 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 3: here were not in America when slavery occurred. So if 441 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 3: you're an immigrant from from China, why in the world 442 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 3: should you be paying reparations to black people? It makes 443 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 3: no sense, right, So it's the huge percentage population wasn't here. 444 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 2: Also, just you know, Jews who fled the Holocaust in 445 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 2: the Second World War, Okay, you just got here in 446 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: like nineteen fifty let's or you know, nineteen forty whatever, 447 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: they would be paying reparations, among many other people to 448 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: the black community for slavery that has been outlawed for 449 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty years. Okay. 450 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 3: I also always enjoy two other points. One, I'm a 451 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 3: history nerd. So are we just forgetting the hundreds of 452 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: thousands of people who died in the Civil War? I 453 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: got an ancestor who died fighting in the Civil War. 454 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 3: He was motivated in some way over the issue of slavery. 455 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: Those people's lives don't matter. Some of us, literally who 456 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 3: are white, carry the blood of people who fought in 457 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 3: the Civil War on both sides, and that's a whole 458 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: historical mess in and of itself. But those guys who 459 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 3: actually gave their lives, some of them to enslavery, don't count, right. 460 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 2: I think you'd have a very fair point if we're 461 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: going to do this. Historical ancestry is something you're responsible for. 462 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: You know, my family are Irish immigrants, and the Irish 463 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: side that got here into the North, it's very likely 464 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: they fought for the Union. So am I exempted right 465 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: to do you get it aggreited? 466 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: Do you get credited because you had Union soldiers who 467 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: fought in your background. Here's the other thing, buck that 468 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: nobody really wants to talk about. Well, should in Africa 469 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 3: pay a substantial amount of the reparations here? Since the 470 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 3: slaves were initially enslaved in Africa and Africans profited immensely 471 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 3: off the slave trade, it's as if there is no 472 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 3: reparations responsibility for that aspect of the slave trade. 473 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: I also think that you know, you can look at 474 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 2: a the closest thing that we've had in this country 475 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: to something along the lines of there are also people who, 476 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: by the way, I would I would point out, would 477 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: would claim that overall, you know, the welfare state that 478 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 2: this country has been supporting for the last seventy years 479 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: or so is a form of not even just for 480 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: the African American community, but across the board, meant to 481 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: repair historical injustices by for dispossessed communities. And I mean, 482 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: and you know, it's been a lot of money. It's 483 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: the point, right, there's already a lot of money that 484 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: is going to help people in this country. We have 485 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: a trillion dollar welfar stay in this country. Beyond that, though, 486 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: you look at the Native American population in the you 487 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: know Indian population, I think, ciny we're are we supposed 488 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: to call them? Now? The you know indigenous tribes, the 489 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 2: name keeps changing, which I think is just meant to 490 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: see who will be who. It's obedience training for the 491 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: rest of us. I might add, you know, you're not 492 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: You're not supposed to say Eskimo anymore because Eskimo is 493 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 2: only one tribe and they prefer I think more generally Inuit. 494 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: Our Alaska listeners, we've got a great station up in 495 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: up in Anchorage. They would know more about this than 496 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: I do. But oh, you know, if you say Eskimo, 497 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: you're being rude. I mean, we can't keep up with 498 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: all this. What's the name? Tough to know the name 499 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: because no written language, you know, not a lot of 500 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: textual basis for this stuff. But on the on the 501 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: Native American reservations clay across the country, this has been 502 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 2: a program for a long time, and there have been 503 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: special incentives given to those communities, and we as a country, 504 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: we never even really look at these. American reservations are 505 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 2: a horrible state of affairs when you look at things 506 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: like domestic abuse, alcoholism, violent crime per capita. These are 507 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: not happy places, the reservations. And then we have people 508 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: in Oklahoma listening who know exactly about this. We've had 509 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: the governor of Oklahoma, who himself is a Native America 510 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: by the way, member of a tribe, Kevin Stitt. And 511 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 2: this is not a program that has been successful at 512 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: all really when you look at it. So why would 513 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 2: we do these sort of race based preference programs, especially 514 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: after the Constitution has already told us that an admissions 515 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: it's bad, in redistribution of wealth it's good. Makes no sense. 516 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 3: I would also add, historically, buck and this really gets 517 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 3: people all flummoxed. 518 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: Remember we were a. 519 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 3: Colony of great, great Britain for the vast majority of 520 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 3: time that there was slavery in the United States. Why 521 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 3: should the United States be responsible from sixteen nineteen to 522 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 3: seventeen seventy six or seventeen eighty three, England should have 523 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: to pay all of the reparations to slaves in the 524 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 3: United States because England was the power here. We were colonies. 525 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: We were until we rever alted. We didn't have democracy 526 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 3: in this country. 527 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: So I never hear. 528 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 3: Anybody say, Okay, well, England is on the hook. We 529 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: only had legal slavery in the United States for eighty years, 530 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: and to your point, seventeen eighty three to eighteen sixty three. 531 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 3: To your point, buck, we've since had the welfare state, 532 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 3: which to a large extent since the nineteen sixties has 533 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 3: existed with the idea being that we're going to provide 534 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: some form of compensation and redress to people who were 535 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 3: discriminated against. We've had the welfare state and the Civil 536 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 3: Rights era almost as long now in the United States 537 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 3: since we had slavery. So anyway, I just love the 538 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: history of it. Very few people actually dive into it, 539 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 3: which is why, on its face, eighty percent of some 540 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: out Americans say this is a joke. Kamala believes it 541 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: should happen in twenty nineteen, and she's saying now it 542 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 3: should be studied still in twenty twenty four. Again another 543 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 3: swinging amiss. 544 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have 545 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: a wonderful Thanksgiving from the class in Buck show. 546 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: Buck, you continue to be our behind enemy lines observer 547 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: of what's going on on MSNBC. And I'll confess when 548 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: greg Our clips guy, sometimes I scroll through and I 549 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: look like I can't believe that the clips are real, 550 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: but I do want to play this. This is a 551 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 3: guy who is a popular best selling American historian, Michael Beschlos. 552 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 3: Some of you may have read his work before Buck. 553 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, he said, if Republicans won the election, 554 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 3: that they would set up firing squads and that your 555 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 3: kids may get murdered. This was him on MSNBC in 556 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. 557 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 8: A historian fifty years from now, if historians are allowed 558 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 8: to ride in this country, and if there are still 559 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 8: free publishing houses and a free press, which I'm not 560 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 8: certain of, but if that is true, a historian will 561 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 8: say what was at stake tonight? And this week was 562 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 8: the fact whether we will be a democracy in the future, 563 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 8: whether our children will be arrested and conceivably killed. 564 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: Maybe we've been wrong this whole time, Clay. Maybe a 565 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: man can turn into a hysterical woman, you know. 566 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: Okay. 567 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: That was Becialos on MSNBC in twenty two. Here he 568 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 3: is in twenty four saying, if Trump's elected, of all 569 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: the things he's going to do, he's going. 570 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: To ban the writing of history books. This happened. 571 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 8: Listen, if historians in the future are allowed to write books, 572 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 8: and by the way, that question is opened this morning, 573 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 8: and if people are allowed to go on television and 574 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 8: say what they think in the future, which again that 575 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 8: question is opened this morning. In the future, historians are 576 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 8: going to look back on this day and say, this 577 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 8: is the day that America made a choice between freedom 578 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 8: and democracy on one side, and authoritarianism and dictatorship. 579 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: I Michael, I mean, boy, he's like a little schoolgirl 580 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: freaking out here. 581 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: What is he even talking about? Clay? This is where 582 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 2: I really want betting markets to be set up for politics, 583 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: because you can start to shut these people up, baby, Like, really, 584 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: Trump's going to ban their ban history books? Like what 585 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: are we going to put on that you know what, what. 586 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: Are we actually going to put every dollar that I have? 587 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: Buck? 588 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 3: First of all, it's hysterical to think of all the 589 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 3: things that Trump would want to do. Ban a historian 590 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: from writing a book is so like on on the 591 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 3: Trump Care scale. This is like one billion on the 592 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 3: Trump Care scale. For a historian to think that Trump 593 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,479 Speaker 3: is like, oh, your book is so incredibly powerful that 594 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 3: I can't allow anyone to read it is a different 595 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 3: level of arrogance. But what I want you to know 596 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 3: is this is what they're telling their brain dead audience. 597 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: And it's the same argument he made in twenty two 598 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: and Buck, you texted this and I watched it and 599 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it. Rachel Maddow, who's supposed to be 600 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: the smart same member in some way of MSNBC's on 601 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 3: air talent Buck, she said that if if Elon musk, 602 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: that if Kamala wins, she should end federal contracts with 603 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 3: SpaceX and not allow Elon must to be involved in 604 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 3: space anymore. 605 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: A completely don't. We can't play that right now, Clay, 606 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: because we'll come back to that after we talk to Caroline. 607 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 2: We'll come back to this conversation, but the thirty million 608 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: dollar a year woman at MSNBC, Rachel Maddow is taking 609 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: the night before the election, and I was watching it 610 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: and my jaw actually just kind of hit the ground. 611 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: The most intellectually indefensible and insane thing that I have 612 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: heard on maybe on MSNBC all along. It's not even 613 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 2: about Trump right now. They're talking about Elon like he's 614 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: an existential threat. She wants to stop the most important 615 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: person for space exploration in the history of the human 616 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: species and slap him down because he realizes Kamala is 617 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: a moron. That's how important it is to pretend that 618 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: Kamala is not stupid. We have to stop space exploration. 619 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: Get a grip, Libs. 620 00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: And just remember this book. 621 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 3: They wouldn't have even been able to get the astronauts 622 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 3: back except for SpaceX's talent. 623 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: NASA is so far behind now