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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore.

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Speaker 2: What do you got there, Brient, picture of catfish and

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Speaker 2: the picture weighs eight pounds?

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Speaker 3: Tell me how.

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Speaker 1: The picture weighs eight pounds?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the picture weighs eight pounds. He's so big.

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Speaker 1: That's big, old flathead. What did it weigh?

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Speaker 3: Thirty six pounds?

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Speaker 1: Thirty six pounds?

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Speaker 2: How did you get We caught it on the try

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Speaker 2: line and turn it.

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Speaker 1: Loosely, turn loose the big one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What were you fishing with?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Brim live? I'm telling you man, it was to

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Speaker 3: go to confession.

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Speaker 2: For using something that tastes fabulous to catch something that

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Speaker 2: tastes good.

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Speaker 3: We were using big.

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Speaker 4: It's about quantity, not quantity.

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Speaker 3: We were using big blue gill.

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Speaker 1: Which is your favorite fish of all times. You'd rather

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Speaker 1: read a blue gill than a.

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Speaker 2: Steak in anything, name it anything. And we were catching

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Speaker 2: flat is. But it was just so much fun.

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Speaker 1: How big a brim were you using?

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Speaker 3: Oh, buddy, hand size, that's that's a hooking them in the.

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Speaker 2: Tail, hooking them right in the liking worthy in the neck, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: in the neck, neck, like right up.

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Speaker 5: There where you cash fishes like that sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what do you call it? Cash? Where do

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Speaker 3: you call it? When you you hook them at?

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Speaker 1: I know, malcam well, he said. The next he said,

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Speaker 3: In the like in the top of the tender lawn,

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Speaker 3: right like that.

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Speaker 1: That is only Brent would think that a bluegill has

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Speaker 1: a tender loin. I'm not sure that they do. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we need to we need to introduce, uh, introduce our guests.

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Speaker 1: We have really a distinguished guest on the render. This

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Speaker 1: is unusual because usually.

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Speaker 3: I'm usually here every other week.

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Speaker 1: Well uh, usually the feature guest on the Bear Grease

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Speaker 1: is not able to be a render guest. But Russ

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Speaker 1: Arthur from East Tennessee is with us today. Good to

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Speaker 1: have you, Russ.

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Speaker 6: It's it's great to be here and see some of

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Speaker 6: the faces that's been involved in this.

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Speaker 5: I yeah, man, it's good.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then, but the real guest who I was

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Speaker 1: actually talking about, as the distinguished guest is Cash. This

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Speaker 1: is US's grandson, Cash. How old are you not? And uh, big,

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Speaker 1: big blue gill man, I guess big fishermen. Do you

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Speaker 1: like the catfish? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I like to fish a lot.

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's good to have you.

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Speaker 7: Nice to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, now Bear, everybody's got a little show

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Speaker 1: and tail. Is that your show and tail?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Sure? The eight pound pound fish and the spam socks.

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Speaker 3: I go, wait a minute, what.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, okay, I'll take.

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Speaker 2: It like a six pack of spam socks. Okay, they're good.

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Speaker 1: Show break your bobcats. So so Bear killed a bobcat

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Speaker 1: with his treadbow. Shot it back in December, and look

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Speaker 1: you won't really be able to see it on the video.

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Speaker 1: You think that's why. I mean, I don't really know,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you'd had to shot me in the head

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I've got a very short story that

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Speaker 6: And when he found one of them, a bear had

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Speaker 3: Pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: He was shooting a gun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was shooting a gun.

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Speaker 1: Now it's but the bear wasn't scared off by the

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Speaker 6: Evidently it wasn't. And but I see he had. He'd

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Speaker 1: Oh, he was just sitting still.

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Speaker 6: Sitting still, and shot them both from the same from

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Speaker 1: In my day, Wow, that that is interesting.

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Speaker 8: So so bar and I Boone and Crockett scored that.

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Speaker 3: We did that.

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Speaker 1: Bobcat this one and one damn you killed. That's right,

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Speaker 1: and you're scored what eight inches even eight inches?

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Speaker 8: Even so, if anybody's got a bigger boone and Crockett

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Speaker 1: Bob yours bobcat squirrel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, send us a pick, Send us a pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we seen a bob cat and we

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Speaker 2: Then laid up on the bank. You hardly ever see them,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we got it was a high bank.

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Speaker 2: He's probably twenty thirty yards away, about thirty yards away again,

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Speaker 3: We got, we went on by.

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Speaker 2: And finally we've crossed the line where it was too close,

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Speaker 8: He was like, look at those jokers wasting that brown

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bigg hm hm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Well I was I was trying to think of the

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Speaker 1: I've killed several bobcats. The most memorable one was catching

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Speaker 3: He was like, oh he was targeting him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I remember walking up on it. You

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Speaker 1: It was a twenty pound bobcat. Yeah, caught it right

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Mm hm, well man, this uh what shows your bow?

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Speaker 7: Bear?

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Speaker 1: So Bear gave us an update on the bow last time,

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Speaker 1: and now it is fully complete. Well like nine, I

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Speaker 1: It's it's about fifty pounds at twenty eight inches, so

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Speaker 1: it shoots. Tell us about what you about the aesthetics

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Speaker 1: of it, Well, it's an osage orange bow. It's a

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Speaker 1: I was using just kind of has waves in it

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Speaker 1: So I put copperhead skins on the back road killed copperhead,

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Speaker 1: and then it's got pronghorn tip overlays from a pronghorn

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Speaker 1: got a gray fox kind of buffer on the arrow rest.

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Speaker 1: That was actually the first animal I ever killed.

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Speaker 3: With the bow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that is a very good job.

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Speaker 1: In the turkey feathers, oh right, Yeah, that's from the

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Speaker 1: turkey I killed this year. Yeah, it's a beautiful bow.

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Speaker 2: or was it just covering up?

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Speaker 1: This is just the right amount to cover it. But

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Speaker 1: it is a little shiny. I think I'm gonna kind

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Speaker 1: It shoots good though. It shoots really fast for a

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Speaker 3: That's pretty Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I felt like it shot really fast.

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Speaker 2: Your hand good. Yeah, I did mine because you know,

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Speaker 3: Get a handle with.

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Speaker 1: Russ, I have something I wanted to give you you

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Speaker 1: and cash. You don't have that book? Do you needed

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Speaker 1: your outdoor Cookbook?

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Speaker 5: No, we do not.

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Speaker 1: This is uh I want. I want to give this

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Speaker 1: to you guys, So if it if you haven't listened

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Speaker 1: to the last actually the last three episodes, we did

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Speaker 1: an extra drop today. You see that pretty sharp, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: We did the first episode called runt Over, where Russ

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Speaker 1: told the story of his early career in law enforcement

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Speaker 1: getting runt over by a guy, and then the next one,

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Speaker 1: the next episode was called Yellowstone Poacher, which was super interesting,

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Speaker 1: and then we did one today that what do we

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Speaker 1: call it? Appalachic Cola tree bandit yep. But so anyway,

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Speaker 1: Russ your man, and Russ has been also he's kind

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Speaker 1: of a Bear Grease hero now, and I've said this before,

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Speaker 1: but I got to say it again. People listen and

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Speaker 1: don't get caught up. The way that I met Russ

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Speaker 1: was really unique for me because I did this story

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Speaker 1: on two guys from my hometown of me And Arkansas

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Speaker 1: named Louis Dell and Charlie Edwards, who I grew up

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Speaker 1: my whole life. No, I mean, they were like my

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Speaker 1: it's just these guys. They were notorious turkey poachers. There's

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Speaker 1: just no other way to say it. Wonderful, lovely people.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, that was a long way to say, here's a

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Speaker 1: Well, Steve, there it is, yeah, Steve Rania. Well so yeah, man.

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Speaker 5: Very very much appreciated.

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Speaker 4: And you're gonna have to do some cooking.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think I think I got I got some

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Speaker 5: Cash, I've got something better.

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Speaker 5: Now that'll be good.

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Speaker 6: Hey, but but who rendered down some bear grease this

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Speaker 5: Who killed a bear this year back in our camp?

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Speaker 6: Our camp killed a good bear this year. Oh really,

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Speaker 7: Well, we'll probably keep it out the cabin.

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Speaker 5: You're exactly right.

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Speaker 6: No, that's that is that's special because we're all about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you bet, you bet. Gosh, I've been uh, I've

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Speaker 7: I got four turtles?

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Speaker 7: I got four box turtles? And we feed them like

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Speaker 1: What do you feed them?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've seen of hunger anybody.

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Speaker 5: Do you have? I have four? Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just make up something.

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Speaker 1: All I remember. Well, we have Larry.

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Speaker 7: He was the first hurdle. He only has three legs.

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Speaker 7: He's missing is back right?

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Speaker 6: And Larry was the first one that wasn't able to

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Speaker 1: Larry. You might be extending Larry's life and keep him.

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Speaker 1: He's a little vulnerable, does he when he walks? Does

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Speaker 7: It's kind of like the bone. He still likes to

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Speaker 6: There, Well, tell him what your what your goals on

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Speaker 3: He's been waiting for him to hatch out.

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Speaker 2: So if he has any questions, I'm gonna have him

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Speaker 8: Okay, you think that that curple turtle could get a

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Speaker 5: Into the wild baby.

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Speaker 1: Carve out a little peg leg for it.

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Speaker 1: I get a good question was it a was it

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Speaker 1: Or perhaps Larry is a daredevil that can be genetic too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of a three legged turtle, you know what.

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Speaker 1: Its three legged bears really often. I'm kind of like

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Speaker 5: Weird?

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Speaker 1: Those three legged bears are just as fast and a bear.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why God gave a bear four legs,

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Speaker 3: We filmed one up in Saskatchewan. If you remember, really.

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Speaker 1: When you say that it's sparky memories the day was

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Speaker 3: Oh nothing, Yeah, he was missing like his elbow or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you always wonder how that happened.

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Speaker 2: He was running with the one that had the mains

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Speaker 1: That they were rough times, the crew.

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Speaker 8: Mangy, Yeah, the Island of Misfit Bears. Yeah, going to

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Speaker 1: I'll listen to it, mangy in then. Uh, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll be darn well. That's cool.

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Speaker 5: That's cool. He's done a real good job with it.

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Speaker 6: And he actually ordered some box turtle food and we've

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Speaker 6: made him a quite extensive pen. Now they've got a

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Speaker 6: big area around. Oh, that's good. Figured out when we

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Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent, that's good.

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Speaker 3: He sent us the pictures of that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we will.

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Speaker 1: Man, I've got I've got so many things I would

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's a like any good hunting camp, you've got

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Speaker 6: having really good good friends in the hunting world that

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00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 6: they they extend out to the non hunting times as well.

447
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 5: So there. We're all up at the cabin.

448
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 6: You know, we got a small cabin and we're going

449
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 6: on a h about a three or four day deer

450
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 6: hunt in this particular area that was a it was

451
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 6: buck only and h you could kill any any wild

452
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 6: hogs and it was actually one bear, you know, and

453
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 6: it was we were going to be on a three

454
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 6: day hunt. So we go up there on the first morning. Uh,

455
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 6: two of my best friends. They took off into the

456
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 6: back country a couple hours before daylight, and I just

457
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 6: decided to hang around the camp and just take it easy.

458
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 6: I can't remember. I was extremely tired or something. I

459
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 6: was just gonna have a lazy hunt. And this more

460
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 6: or less hunt around the cabin, and as luck would

461
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 6: have it, I shot a pretty nice eight porner, nothing

462
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 6: right home about, but it was a it was a

463
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 6: good mountain deer and it was close to the cabin.

464
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 5: Good meat.

465
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 6: So we were all talking, what are you gonna do tomorrow?

466
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 6: You know, we've tagged out. I said, well, I'm going

467
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 6: turkey scouting. So basically, we always pick out areas on

468
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 6: the map that we've never been. And I said, you know,

469
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 6: we've always wanted to look at.

470
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 5: This remote area here. I'm gonna go in there and

471
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 5: look at it tomorrow. You know, who knows I might

472
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 5: find a hog or or may be bear there. Well,

473
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 5: I get in there, so you got your gun, got

474
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 5: my gun, and I get.

475
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 6: In there and I'm on my way out of this

476
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 6: area and it's just monckster buck, I mean huge.

477
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: How did you first see it?

478
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 6: A doe came under so you're you were you were moving, Yes,

479
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 6: I was moving, and you.

480
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: Just caught her before she caught you.

481
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 5: Yes.

482
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 6: And she comes up this this this hollow, this draw

483
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 6: open hardwoods, and I'm watching her and she actually goes

484
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 6: up in beds down and then this big mountain buck

485
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 6: comes up kind of following her, and he just stops

486
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 6: and he's looking.

487
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 5: Around and looking around and he's he's huge.

488
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: You showed me a picture of it. I mean, you

489
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: say it's one of the biggest deer you've probably seen

490
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: in the mountains.

491
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 3: It was.

492
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 6: It was one of the biggest deers I'd seen in

493
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 6: the mountains. And I'm sitting there thinking, you know, I'm retired.

494
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 6: Here I am looking at one of the biggest deer

495
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 6: and you know, what a what a way to test

496
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 6: your your your your ethical nerves. You know, I've got

497
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 6: contact with my two friends with radio, you know. Uh,

498
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 6: we didn't have cell service where we're at, and be

499
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 6: very easy for me to shoot it and Collumn tell

500
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 6: them come and tag it.

501
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 5: I'm not doing that.

502
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: How far was it?

503
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 5: Oh it wasn't but thirty or forty yards?

504
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: You wait, you see the photos.

505
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 6: I took pictures of it. I videoed it. It was

506
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 6: you know, it was looking around. I got shots of

507
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 6: it looking away from me. You know, a deer looks

508
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 6: bigger when it's looking away from you. Anyway, So anyway,

509
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 6: it passes, and I'm thinking, you know, that's good enough.

510
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 5: I got pictures of it.

511
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 6: Well, we get back to the cabin and uh and

512
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 6: we find out through through some through some sources that

513
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 6: they had changed the limit.

514
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: Oh it's two.

515
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 5: Bucks that year.

516
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: So for years that had been one one buck.

517
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 6: And uh, you know, the area manager tell of that

518
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 6: area tells me you need to start reading your book.

519
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 6: He said, last year we changed to one.

520
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 2: So was it was it? You got pictures? It was

521
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 2: okay then anyway or not? What's that you said?

522
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: It was just as good.

523
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 6: But the sad part about it is the very that

524
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 6: would have been three years ago. So the past two falls,

525
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 6: I have stamped the area dry and not found that

526
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 6: deer sign anywhere.

527
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 5: I cannot find any sign. I don't know where he

528
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 5: came from.

529
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 6: It's just like he decided to go through there and

530
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 6: torment me that one morning.

531
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: You know, man, there's something about the ones that get

532
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: away from you that.

533
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 5: You should have killed, that you'll remember forever.

534
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: One time, about a year ago, I sat down and

535
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: I rode out every big buck that I qualified as

536
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: should have been dead, but wasn't, you know. I mean,

537
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: it's easy to remember the deer that you killed because

538
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: you got their horns and you got that memory. And uh,

539
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: but there's something about the and I'm talking about the

540
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: big ones, like you know, the good shooter deer that

541
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: you wanted to bring home with you.

542
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: And uh.

543
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: And I sat down and counted up eleven deer that

544
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: I could. I can tell you more about those deer

545
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: than I probably can the ones that I killed. Oh yeah,

546
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, just just like the scenario, the sequence, what happened.

547
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: And uh, I was just I had that list and

548
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: I don't know where the list is. I can make

549
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: the list again, but every one of those deer kind

550
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: of had a name, you know, the so and so

551
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: farm buck that this mountain buck. And and uh, I

552
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: kind of looked at that, and I think there's a

553
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: correlation between that number and the number that you have

554
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: actually killed, you know what I mean, Like if you well,

555
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of time. I mean I spent

556
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: just as much time trying to kill those deer as

557
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: I did the ones that I did kill.

558
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: It's a statement on what what the deal is on

559
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 2: while you're out. There's not just exactly because if you

560
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: if it's just about killing them, you wouldn't even remember them.

561
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: Well, let's about these over here.

562
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 6: And you know, I was told a long time ago, son,

563
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 6: you're gonna you're gonna remember those misses a lot more

564
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 6: than you will to kills, you know, from when I

565
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 6: was fifteen, sixteen years old. That was that was and

566
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 6: it was so true. But on the funny side of that,

567
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 6: this year, I missed a turkey that unmistakably should have

568
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 6: been killed.

569
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: And my best.

570
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 6: Friend fifteen yards behind me opening day public land and

571
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 6: four longbeards came in. Doesn't happen on public land? First

572
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 6: time that has ever happened to me? And uh, And

573
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 6: after the mess. We're sitting there by the tree and

574
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 6: he's trying to remind me and by we're going to

575
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 6: remember that? And I said, you know, you're right. I said,

576
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 6: but it's been a long time since I missed. And

577
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 6: then he started reminding me, well, what about such and such?

578
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: He might not have remember what he did?

579
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 5: What about this? And I'm like, well, yeah, but I'm

580
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 5: trying to forget that former former Yeah, but that's but

581
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 5: that's so much true to that. That's a that's a

582
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 5: that's a testimony to while you're there. Yeah, exactly right.

583
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and this one's this year now, that was Uh,

584
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 6: he'll remember that, miss Have you forgotten it yet?

585
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 7: No?

586
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 5: Okay, well yeah for sure not.

587
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I gonna forget it now that you're on the Bear

588
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: Grease podcast and told everybody.

589
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 7: Well, if you ever decided to go hunting with him,

590
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 7: always beware that he might.

591
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

592
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 7: He's so desperate to hear a turkey that he makes

593
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 7: up it.

594
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: Your grandpa does, Yeah, he makes it. So he'll be

595
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: sitting there and he'll be like, I think I just

596
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: heard one. Yeah, what does he say?

597
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 7: He says, there's one over there, cash, and then I

598
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 7: we'll be waiting there for a couple like twenty minutes

599
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 7: and then I'm like, he doesn't call again. I'm like,

600
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 7: are you sure there's one over there? And he's like, yeah,

601
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 7: I'm for sure. I heard it and I never heard it.

602
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Hey, what does so? I know every every dad, grandpa,

603
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: every turkey hunter has a certain way that they act

604
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: when they hear a gobbler, like you know, yeah, Like

605
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: what what does your grandpa do when he hears one

606
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: and doesn't expect it?

607
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: M I would say.

608
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 7: He gets pretty excited. He It's like he gets excited,

609
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 7: especially if I'm with him because he likes to have

610
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 7: that experience with me. But he gets pretty excited.

611
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: And what does he say? Does he just does he point?

612
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: Does he?

613
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 5: Honestly?

614
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 4: I don't really know.

615
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: You don't do like my brother did me and like

616
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: push me backwards. He don't push it back down or

617
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: anything like that.

618
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 7: Although when he was trying to get me the other way,

619
00:30:50,840 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 7: he did like throwby.

620
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 5: Turkey was coming around the other side the tree.

621
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: We had to do something.

622
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 5: I can't do my my my normal friends that way

623
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 5: they turn.

624
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: Just move them. That's good, hyah, that's that's good.

625
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: Brent.

626
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: What do you do when you hear a turkey, yeah,

627
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: do you have to say something?

628
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: Well, when it's me and you, and it's and me

629
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: and my brother. A lot of times if we're there

630
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: together and we hear, we'll point and he'll be pointing

631
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: this way, or you'll be pointing that way. He'll be

632
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: pointing this way.

633
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

634
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, he does this. He does it with his hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep,

635
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 8: there he is right there.

636
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: Let's go. Yeah.

637
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 6: And there's been a lot of a lot of arguments

638
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 6: on direction. That's the big thing, especially if you're hunting mountains.

639
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 6: But then I've had occasion to hunt some flat ground

640
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 6: and it's even worse.

641
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 2: Oh, me and my brother were standing on We were

642
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: standing on the Lake Slouth Bridge on the lower Potlatch

643
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: Road in Cleveland County, not far from Slam River.

644
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: So if you want to find a turkey, that's where

645
00:31:59,320 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: you go.

646
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: It's behind He just ca you had the parachute in there.

647
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: But I'm standing facing downstream and he's looking upstream, and

648
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: turkey gobbled and we looked at each other and both

649
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: in the opposite direction. All though, did you hear one?

650
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: Dude?

651
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: He said, no, did you hear one? It was the

652
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: same Turkey, but I was right. Because I have the microphone,

653
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: I can say.

654
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: You were right. My dad.

655
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: My dad always told the story, you know, just like

656
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: childhood lore. He remembered, and I think it happened when

657
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: he was first started bow hunting and was just kind

658
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: of getting used to, I don't know, tracking deer in

659
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: the dark and getting out of navigating the woods in

660
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: the dark. And he said he and his buddy had

661
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: shot this deer, killed the deer, and had tracked it

662
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: pretty long track job, and then it's like, all right,

663
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: we got it. And he said they they guted it,

664
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, that's head of the truck.

665
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: And they he grabs the back legs, the guy grabs

666
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: the front legs, and they just had an opposite and

667
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: then they stop and he's like, where are you going?

668
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm going to the truck, and where

669
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: are you going? I'm going to the truck and and

670
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't have GPS or cell phones, and

671
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: he said they had to sit there and listen in

672
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: about you know. Some time later, a truck came down

673
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: the gravel road and they they remembered which one I

674
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: honestly can't remember if dad was here. I'm sure he

675
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: was right.

676
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: Me and Michael was leaving the tree the other night,

677
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: hot Man trying to go back to the bucket. Yeah,

678
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: we're walking, walking, walking. I'm like, do you know where

679
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: you're going? He said, I'm following you, one of us was.

680
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: I was following him, he was following me. We made

681
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: a pretty good roundabout we got back to the side.

682
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 6: So that one of the one of the things that

683
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 6: I really appreciate around our camp now is there's a

684
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 6: been a lot of kids that's been raised in that

685
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 6: camp that are up like bears, age and and and

686
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 6: older that that we're we fight now to get them

687
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 6: to go with us because they got better. Donny, what

688
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 6: can he go with me tomorrow?

689
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: Hey?

690
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 6: What's cash?

691
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 5: Which way was he? Boy? I'm not proud.

692
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: You can't hear direction very well though. I remember whenever

693
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: I was a little kid and you bring me which

694
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: way was that?

695
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: Turkey?

696
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: Oh? I was never really confident on which way I

697
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: heard it, But I just remember you couldn't hear him

698
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 1: at all. Oh, I I've got I got a bad

699
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: ear and I can't course one. Uh, I try. I

700
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: considered for a while getting my when I fed my

701
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: mules gobble, so that day when they heard a turkey gobble,

702
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: they would keep because I envisioned being being in the

703
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: mountains riding my mule and hearing a turkey gobble three

704
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: hundred yards away, and is he just going I just

705
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: never did it. I just never. I just never pursued it.

706
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: I think it would be pretty really, it's a funny.

707
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: It's a fun thing to think. It would be very

708
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: difficult to do. Now, they will queue in on just

709
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: like if they see something, they hear something, they absolutely

710
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: will queue on it. But something like some far off

711
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: random noise, like they're not gonna they're not gonna mess

712
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: with it. But uh, talking about direction though that this

713
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: is disconnected slightly. Coon hunting story. I'll never forget this

714
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: greatest most unsolved mystery in Clay's life of all time. Uh,

715
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: what's that? It was a black panther, black panther. It's

716
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: definitely in a black panther country. But I was in

717
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: the in the Washtalls when I was a kid coon hunting,

718
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: and uh, this story is not that good. And I

719
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: remember we cut the dogs loose and go to a

720
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: tree hound and there was a there was a big

721
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: creek and it was such a good place to hunt

722
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: because there's two big mountains and a creek, and the

723
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: creek's running running downhill, and you know, we walked up

724
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: the creek to get to the truck, or to excuse me,

725
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: we walked away from the truck going upstream. I mean,

726
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: it's just impossible to get lost. But we go to

727
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: this tree dog and I dropped back down to the

728
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: creek and know, I mean with every ounce of instinct

729
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: that the truck, that that's downstream. You know, that way

730
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: is the truck. And when I get to that water,

731
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: the water is going to be flowing that direction. I

732
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: mean it would have been like if I had thrown

733
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: an apple up in the air and you say, which way

734
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: is the apple going to fall? I'd be like, it's

735
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: going to come to the ground. I get to that

736
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: creek and it's flowing that way, And I said, Lord,

737
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: you have flipped the earth while we went after that coon.

738
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: The Lord has literally turned the earth in a circle.

739
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: I remember it was the first time in the dark

740
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: that I was just absolutely scrambled. It was real disoriented.

741
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: I was just like, what just called getting lost? But I, I,

742
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, followed what I knew was riding, sure enough

743
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: there was a truck, but disoriented.

744
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 5: They spend the.

745
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: Rest of my life disoriented.

746
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 5: It happen.

747
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever been real lost?

748
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: There?

749
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: I can think of one time when I had this

750
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: real I was chasing a turkey down this ATV trail,

751
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: and in my mind I had this real clear image

752
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: of like where the main road was in comparison to

753
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: where I was. And so there was like two roads

754
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: that split like you they tee off and that there's

755
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: road that goes north and road that goes south, and

756
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: the main road was parallel with them. The road that

757
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: goes north kind of would like it turned and started

758
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: going west, and so I thought, I don't I don't

759
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: remember the exact details, but I started going down that

760
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: road or the south road, and in my mind the

761
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: main road was just like right down the mountain. I

762
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: chased this turkey all morning, and eventually turkey, I lose them,

763
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: and so I just start walking down to get to

764
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: the main road. And I just keep walking until I

765
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of the mountain and it starts

766
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: going up and there was no road, and then I

767
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: start hearing like ATV's way over here, and so I

768
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: was just like, well, maybe it's over there, walked over there, nothing,

769
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: and so eventually I just started walking in and I

770
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: just picked a direction and walked and popped out on

771
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: the road. Yeah, there was a game warning coming around

772
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: actually about that time. Oh and I was totally illegal.

773
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing died.

774
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 6: You know what's amazing about that is, as I've learned,

775
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 6: when you do run across roads or trails that many

776
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 6: times will get you not paying attention to your terrain

777
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 6: like it really should be, especially if you're doing land

778
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 6: navigation with a map, that you you'll travel further and

779
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 6: faster on those trails and roads than you normally would,

780
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 6: and you're not paying there as much attention, and you

781
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 6: do get those those visuals in your mind and where

782
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 6: you act. Because that's happened to me several times. It's thinking, hell,

783
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 6: but it seems like all the times that I've been

784
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 6: turned around like that, it's been when I've run across

785
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 6: a road or a trail that I that I thought

786
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 6: I knew exactly the direction that it went.

787
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: Do you use a map online like on x hunt

788
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: or anything on your phone.

789
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 6: I've got mapping programs on my phone, but I still

790
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 6: I still carry a hard copy topo map in a

791
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 6: map case that I that I checked frequently.

792
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: Really and oh yes, oh yeah, old school.

793
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 6: Well it's you know technology, if you if if it's

794
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 6: got a battery, it can go dead.

795
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.

796
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're dangerous dependent on that whole thing.

797
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: We are.

798
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean, what if you'd lost it? Oh yeah, I

799
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: mean and and in most places, you know, getting lost

800
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: is not that big a deal. It's just more of

801
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: an inconvenience, right, But there are places where you get

802
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: lost you could be in trouble.

803
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 5: Well, there's there's a.

804
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 6: There's a lot of people that that if you just

805
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 6: gave them a topo map, a hard copy that that

806
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 6: that couldn't get around.

807
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 5: M hm, you know that couldn't get around.

808
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

809
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 7: I saw an ad. It was like it was questioning people,

810
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 7: what how do you think you would do if I

811
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 7: took away your sofhone for twenty four hours? And they said, uh,

812
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 7: there was one guy that said I could probably do it,

813
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 7: but if it ever did come true, it was something like,

814
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 7: I probably wouldn't let it happen.

815
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 8: How would you do without your phone for twenty four hours?

816
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 8: He'd be just fine withn't it?

817
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

818
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 7: Maybe wat. It depends on who's with a lot of times,

819
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 7: if I played with my friends, I would be fine.

820
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

821
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: I lost my phone the other day and a kayaking

822
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: kayak flipped and got washed away, and it was like

823
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: the last two days of Turkey season, and so I

824
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: tried to set an alarm. I had a turkey located

825
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: and I tried to set an alarm on my computer

826
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: and it never went off. And I didn't have a

827
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: phone for like three days and I never never was

828
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: It was the last day of Turkey season and I

829
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: just knew right where one was. But I lost my

830
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: phone the day before in the river, and it was

831
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: a big, inconvenient.

832
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: Sad story, sad story.

833
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 3: How many numbers you hunting from home?

834
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was hunting around here.

835
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'd make an alarm clock. You can get it.

836
00:41:54,360 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: Nobody has an alarm clock around Let's talk about this episode,

837
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: Yellowstone Poacher. Super unique story of Russ. Is such a

838
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: good storyteller?

839
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 5: Two, Yeah, he is.

840
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: It was.

841
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: It was just a unique story in so many ways. Josh,

842
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: what what stood out to you about it? I?

843
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 8: Uh, it's interesting to me.

844
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: When when was that Russ?

845
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you know, we didn't tell about the approximate

846
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: day to that.

847
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 6: That would have been in the.

848
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 8: Mid nineties, Okay, so that would have been a bit

849
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 8: of a different experience than it would have been today,

850
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 8: just with with technology. But the fact that this guy

851
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 8: was able to run this scam for a while, it

852
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 8: sounded like, was pretty amazing to me. And the fact

853
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 8: that he would just cherry pick his his customers at

854
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 8: these these things, we were pretty amazing. But but just

855
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 8: the fact that this this guy could continue to get

856
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 8: customers with this food, hanging out there and taking I mean,

857
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 8: it's amazing to me that.

858
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he probably didn't have repeat the customers.

859
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 6: No, it was one time customers and uh and and

860
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 6: most of them were successful, so you know.

861
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Or the fact that nobody turned him in,

862
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 8: you know, pretty amaz Yeah.

863
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think that's pretty common for people to do

864
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Like so if you haven't listened to

865
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: the episode, you should. But I mean, this guy was

866
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: illegally outfitting, Like you can't you can't charge somebody money

867
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: and take them in really anywhere in any state. Like

868
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: if you're going to do any kind of guiding in

869
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: any state, you got to have a license. I mean,

870
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: in Arkansas. It's cheap, it's not a big deal. But

871
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: primarily where he was getting in trouble as he was

872
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: guiding people for money on public land in Montana. But

873
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: but the kicker was that they were oftentimes going into

874
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: Yellowstone National Park.

875
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 8: He was a legal guiding and hunting in the in

876
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 8: the national Park.

877
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: So my question was do you in your experience, So

878
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: Russ was the regional supervisor for special agents in a

879
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: big section of the US for the US four Service,

880
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: I mean, is that common.

881
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 6: Well, the the illegal guiding is more of an issue

882
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 6: out west than it is back east because of the

883
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 6: vast areas of public land that they have out west,

884
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 6: and most states have a two tier process, if you will,

885
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 6: before you can guide, you have to have a license

886
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 6: through your state, like in Montana, you have to have

887
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 6: a license to guide, you know, through the state of Montana.

888
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 6: Then if you go on public land, you have to

889
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 6: have a permit through the US four Service for the.

890
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: Public that's specific for that track.

891
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 6: For that track of land, and most of them are

892
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 6: broken out in units. And the reason they do that

893
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 6: is they don't want any overuse of any unit and

894
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 6: they're able to manage it and spread them out so

895
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 6: you've got quality experience, and they take into consideration and

896
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 6: they work with the respective state agencies to ensure that,

897
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 6: you know, you don't overload any particular unit.

898
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: So they're also vetted by two different yes agencies.

899
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: Yes.

900
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 6: So what happens is is you have people that have

901
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 6: either applied for and didn't get it, or just don't

902
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 6: believe they should have one, that it's their god given right,

903
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 6: it's public land, that they don't need a permit. So

904
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 6: you have a lot of those people. And I've worked

905
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 6: probably four or five different illegal guiding cases Montana and Idaho.

906
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 6: So it is common as egregious as going into the park.

907
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 6: I don't think that's very common. All indications were this

908
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 6: individual had a pretty high success rate of ELK. Whether

909
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 6: they come off the park or not, we don't know.

910
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: I think me and Brent would have a pretty high

911
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: success right, Yeah, don't we've never l conted, well Brent

912
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: has yeah.

913
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 5: Uh.

914
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 6: And now now back east we have some guiding, but

915
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 6: uh uh.

916
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 5: But it's a process.

917
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 6: And the sad thing is there are some really good

918
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 6: outfitters across this country in the big game world, I

919
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 6: mean some, and there it's a legitimate use, and people

920
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 6: like that gives the guiding a bad name. It takes

921
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 6: away opportunities, just took away and I you know, took

922
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 6: an elk out of there that could have very well

923
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 6: been on public land and probably went back and forth

924
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 6: from public to park, public to park where it was

925
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 6: where it was taken. So, uh, people like that need

926
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 6: to be taken taken out of the gene pool, so

927
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 6: to speak. I don't think we've got that large of

928
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 6: a problem with guiding and illegal outfitting in the East.

929
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 6: Have worked a few small cases in the East, but

930
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 6: it is guiding is big business out west.

931
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

932
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 4: Do you have any idea how many elk this guy

933
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 4: ended up taking?

934
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 6: You know, I think that particular year there was four

935
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 6: or five. And that was another reason that we that

936
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 6: we took the case as far as we did, and

937
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 6: some things we didn't talk about on the previous podcast.

938
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 6: You know, a lot of questions came up, you know,

939
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 6: internally about the taking of that of that elk and

940
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 6: what a lot of people don't understand. Back then, you

941
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 6: didn't have a lot of technology as far as documenting

942
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 6: what happened, you know, you know, video camera was all

943
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 6: we had, and there are times when you would take

944
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 6: a case if you're working undercover, and a defense attorney

945
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 6: can can chew you up and say, that's not really

946
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 6: what happened, and let's just play that scenario out and

947
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 6: say that I didn't kill an elk. We come back

948
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 6: and we ride up a case report. The US Attorney's office,

949
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 6: you know, draws up an indictment, and we go to

950
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 6: grand jury and we indict this guy and we charge

951
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 6: him for illegal guiding on public land. He hires an

952
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 6: attorney and they get me on the stand and said,

953
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 6: did you kill an elk? No, so is it not

954
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 6: true that he probably didn't have any intentions of you

955
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 6: killing an elk there? Well, no, he gave me all

956
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 6: the intentions in the world. Well it's my word against

957
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 6: his then. But the big thing on this case, and

958
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 6: we planned it that way eventually, that if we did

959
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 6: take an elk, no matter where it was at, if

960
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 6: we had to take an elk, I was not going

961
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 6: to take possession of the meat. I was going to

962
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 6: let him take possession of it. That allowed that meat

963
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 6: to go back to his ranch. And that gave us

964
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 6: what law enforcement caused probable calls to draw off a

965
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 6: search warrant that gets us into that man's house, and

966
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 6: we're able to articulate in the search, we're not only

967
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 6: looking for the crime that that we know is there

968
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 6: because of my testimony, but other crimes associated to that

969
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 6: type of activity and illegal hunting, So we're able to

970
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 6: get other clients' names, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

971
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 6: So that particular year, I think he had taken five

972
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 6: or six different elk just.

973
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 4: That one season.

974
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: Yes, So that gives a lot of backbone to actually

975
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: killing an elk. Yes, I mean because and I told

976
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: I told him I have not heard Russell and I

977
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: talked about this before we put this out, is that

978
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's possible somebody could be like, oh, you

979
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: know this guy shot an elk illegally, probably had a

980
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: great hunt, probably got the horns hanging in his house.

981
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just stupid, something stupid. And I

982
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: tried to be clear in the podcast that like this

983
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: was very calculated and he tried not to kill one,

984
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: but he had to. And we've talked about that in

985
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: other parts. When we did the Artie Stewart episodes doing

986
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: undercover work, RTI talked about like if you have to

987
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: take an animal, and he's like, there's legitimate times where

988
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: you have to take an animal. And anyway, I didn't

989
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: hear anybody saying any giving you any flag for that,

990
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: But it's it's interesting. It even gives more meat to

991
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: it to tell that it was actually a prosecution strategy

992
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: to have him take the meat back, you know.

993
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 6: Now if not, we had had a hard time articulating

994
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 6: that you needed a search warrant for that man's residence.

995
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because you were miles away from.

996
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 6: Right and there was no evidence time, you know, a

997
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 6: violation to that residence.

998
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

999
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 6: But once that meat went to that residence and he

1000
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 6: called and confirmed me with me that hey, I've got

1001
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 6: your meat and horns, then you've got a reason to

1002
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 6: go there, you know, and seize that evidence that you

1003
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 6: know was part of the crime.

1004
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: How long have you been operating up there?

1005
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 5: Was it at least at least ten or twelve years.

1006
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 2: While as much as forty exactly.

1007
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like a lot of people, like knew

1008
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: before even getting into it that it was illegal, Like

1009
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the guy people that he would guide.

1010
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: Did any of those people get in trouble afterwards? Like,

1011
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: did they kind of like backtrack the people that went

1012
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: with them knowingly shooting an Elk on the park or

1013
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: just illegally.

1014
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 6: No, no, and and And the reason for that is

1015
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 6: a lot of those people and he did keep very

1016
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 6: poor records, so there was very few people, you know

1017
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,959
Speaker 6: that we could really tie it back to and uh.

1018
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 6: And it would be really hard because your evidence is gone.

1019
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 6: M h, you're you're you know, you don't have any

1020
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 6: evidence other than you know, maybe something that he had

1021
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 6: written down in a journal or a log book, so

1022
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 6: you had no physical evidence of where they were at.

1023
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 5: You know.

1024
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 6: I was able to plot on the map this is

1025
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 6: exactly where we well was, you know, of all the

1026
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 6: encounters that I had with Elk. I was able to

1027
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 6: plod on a map as part of the case file.

1028
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 6: You wouldn't have had any of that, you know, with

1029
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 6: these other people. So it was very hard, but it

1030
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 6: took him out of the business, and I understand he's

1031
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 6: pretty much out of the business still.

1032
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 3: So.

1033
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1034
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 6: Did he go to jail, No, fine, He was fine,

1035
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 6: very heavily. And he also I think I failed to

1036
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 6: mention this on the original podcast. He had to pay

1037
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 6: back the restitution for that Elk that was taken.

1038
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: That's pretty sport.

1039
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 6: He wasn't right, and so I think it was I

1040
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 6: think he got like a ten thousand dollars fine, pay

1041
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 6: three or four thousand dollars what they call a replacement

1042
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 6: cost of the elk, and then he was I think

1043
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 6: he was barred for hunting for five or ten years.

1044
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: Interesting, Brandon, what stood out to you? What was what

1045
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: was your what was the favorite part mm?

1046
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 2: I have thought about all I thought about Russ having

1047
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: to be in the visa entity of that guy. It

1048
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: was this, you have to associate yourself and align yourself

1049
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: that you agree or you condone the things that you

1050
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: absolutely are working to fight against. And it's a it's

1051
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: a back and forth a lot internally when you're hanging out.

1052
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: With these folks and watching what you're doing.

1053
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: When you just want to pick up a club and

1054
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: I hit them in the back of the head, really

1055
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 2: and it's just an internal struggle to condone or act

1056
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: like you're condoning what's going on and in participating in it.

1057
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: And it was the same way in the stuff that

1058
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: I did too, and that it was a it's stressful.

1059
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: That's where the stress comes in because you're having to

1060
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: just sit there and watch and watch and watch, watching

1061
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: this stuff's going on with, whether it's drugs or or

1062
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: game violations, either one. You know, it's something that you

1063
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: have dedicated your life to protect. But you realize then

1064
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: to be part of it and to help and to

1065
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 2: assist in keeping that stuff out of people's hands or

1066
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: protecting the resource, you got to get in there and

1067
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: get dirty and get the folks that are doing it.

1068
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: Because if you're not willing to get in there and

1069
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: get them, they're just going to keep doing it. Yeah,

1070
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: you know, so that identified a lot with that. Yeah,

1071
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 2: I bet you did.

1072
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny I had I was thinking about

1073
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: Russ coming here today, and just last night I was

1074
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: I had the thought. I was just trying to put

1075
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: myself in the mind space that somebody might have to

1076
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: be to work undercover. And it's impossible because I, first

1077
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: of all, I've never been in law enforcement, so I

1078
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: don't really know what it's like to carry a gun

1079
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: and put yourself up against in dangerous situations with the

1080
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: bad guys. But I thought, what if I had to

1081
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: wake up tomorrow and go into an illegal camp for

1082
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: eight days. I'm fixing to go on a hunt, a

1083
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: legitimate hunt, and you know, like.

1084
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: What effects for the clarification.

1085
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: It was just it kind of scrambled my brain a

1086
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: little bit, like what if I had to go on

1087
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: this hunt? But it was actually I was pretending and

1088
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: we were gonna, we were gonna this guy was doing

1089
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: bad stuff and I was gonna be a part of it.

1090
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: It's just a weird. That's probably the most interesting thing

1091
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: about all this undercover stuff to me is just kind

1092
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: of the mind, the headspace you got to occupy and

1093
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: and anyway, any comments on that for me, either one

1094
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: of you you know you made I don't know if

1095
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: you know it, but Brent used to work undercovering our corg.

1096
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 5: Oh yes, I've picked on that.

1097
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure Russell tell you got to get in.

1098
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 2: You got to play that part, and you can't. You

1099
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: can't be that part whatever your undercover profile was. You

1100
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: can't be that guy. Just when you're talking to the target,

1101
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: you got to be that guy, wouldn't. You're fixing breakfast,

1102
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: you gotta be that guy. And he's asleep and you're

1103
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 2: sitting at the campfire waiting on him.

1104
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: You got to be that guy the whole time.

1105
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's that and uh, and there's a

1106
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 6: there's a period there that your stress level is really high.

1107
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 6: And that's usually you know, your first thirty minutes with

1108
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 6: that person or first hour, and in that you know,

1109
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 6: I'm I'm here for the duration, so you know this

1110
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 6: was going to be a ten day back country hunt.

1111
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 6: And oh yeah, I met him one time at the Classic.

1112
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 6: But when you arrive out there to his ranch, you know,

1113
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 6: and he's and he's packing his stock and you're getting

1114
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 6: ready to go, and you know that that's your stress

1115
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 6: level right there.

1116
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 5: You know, has he done any checking on me?

1117
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 3: You know?

1118
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 5: Is you know, is everything going to be okay?

1119
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: Rights?

1120
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and and and you know, and a

1121
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 6: lot of people will be asking you a lot of

1122
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 6: questions and you don't know if they're asking you questions

1123
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 6: that they know the answers to, or you don't know

1124
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 6: if they're asking questions that it's just in conversation. So

1125
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 6: you don't, like he says, you don't know what that

1126
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 6: intention of that conversation is, just as you know how to.

1127
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: That's interesting, you say the first thirty minutes, because yeah,

1128
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: if you're just trying to make small talk, I mean,

1129
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: like yeah, you get somebody coming with you that you've

1130
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: never met, like if you're the outfitter, the illegal outfitter. Right,

1131
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: you're like, so tell me about your family. What kind

1132
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: of work do you do?

1133
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 5: Right?

1134
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: Oh?

1135
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: Really your bricklayer? Well, what kind of stuff?

1136
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: You know?

1137
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: I can imagine you're in your head, You're thinking, Oh,

1138
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: this guy's trying to sniff me out. Right, So did

1139
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: you think you in that situation, would you have visibly

1140
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: like if if your friends had been there with you,

1141
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: could they have told you were nervous?

1142
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 5: Probably?

1143
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 6: So really, yeah, you know, uh, you know, because the

1144
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 6: personality that that you are when you're undercover is is

1145
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 6: it should be different than you are every day.

1146
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 5: I mean, it really should.

1147
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 6: I mean that may sound crazy, but you you have

1148
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 6: to be yourself. But then you kind of have to

1149
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 6: set yourself apart a little bit and not be as talkative,

1150
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 6: you know.

1151
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 3: Uh.

1152
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 6: For an example, I I by nature like to talk,

1153
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 6: and I'm sorry for that for taking up too.

1154
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 5: Much Mike time. But but but but really, so.

1155
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 6: I have to I have to make a conscious effort

1156
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 6: when I would do undercover to shut up.

1157
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, I don't need.

1158
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 6: To talk, and I'm sure this man right here can relate.

1159
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: It's impossible for Brent. Shut up.

1160
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: Just remember me telling you I was trying trying to

1161
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: cross the border. I'm like, answer the guy's question and

1162
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 2: nothing else. It's the first time we went across.

1163
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: The Yeah, Brent was like, Clay, you really messed that up.

1164
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: Chatting that guy is like, just answer the question.

1165
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 3: He asked your friend.

1166
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, let's go ahead.

1167
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 6: But but that's that's true. So I would have to,

1168
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 6: you know, consciously just kind of be uh and on

1169
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 6: this particularly one, I knew that I had to. I

1170
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 6: had to work my way eventually back to a to

1171
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 6: a remote guard station, if you will, independently when it

1172
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 6: was time to get out of there. So so I

1173
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 6: kind of set myself up that I like spending time along,

1174
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 6: you know.

1175
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if if there's a you know, hey.

1176
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: So you would have said that to him? Yeah, really,

1177
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: how did you? How would you plant that without it

1178
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: sounded well?

1179
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 6: You know, this is this is just great country. I've

1180
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 6: always wanted to come out here. I mean, I'm wanting

1181
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 6: to killing out, but man, I really really enjoy kind

1182
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 6: of exploring too. So if I if I just get

1183
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 6: out and walk around is that okay? You know, I

1184
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 6: don't have to have you with me. I don't even

1185
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 6: have to carry a gun, you know, I just I

1186
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 6: just man, I like to I like to backpack.

1187
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 5: Look at them, you know, just enjoy what's you were.

1188
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: You were making a setting the table for you to

1189
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: be able to.

1190
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 5: To go and and give a message, which I owe something?

1191
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 5: Did I see? You know?

1192
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 6: So you know, but you just you know, set up

1193
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 6: things like that to where you can get time alone,

1194
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 6: you know.

1195
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 5: And and and back then, I took no recorders.

1196
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 6: I actually had a back day pack that I carried

1197
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 6: that I had a special kind of hidden zipper in

1198
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 6: it that had a ledger in it, and I would

1199
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 6: actually write making notes at night, you know, or if

1200
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 6: you're going to hike by yourself, you make all your notes.

1201
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 5: You know, what was said, who was.

1202
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 6: In camp and all, you know, all the pertinent information

1203
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 6: you needed for that particular day. You know, didn't have

1204
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 6: GPS is back then, but you will write it on

1205
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 6: the map. I have a copy of your map in there.

1206
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 6: And you kept that backpack, you know, with you all

1207
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 6: the time, and and if anybody did get in it,

1208
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 6: they couldn't find that little notebook. So you know you

1209
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 6: you would, you would set yourself up to where you

1210
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 6: could get some space to do your documentation.

1211
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1212
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: The best thing that I'm sure it worked the same

1213
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: with us. The best thing that I had going for

1214
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 2: me is that I had enough money in my pocket

1215
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: that they'd forget just about everything else. What do you mean,

1216
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: They're there to make money. They're not there for you

1217
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: to kill the health. They want your money. They're greedy

1218
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: and they they didn't care the quality of drugs that

1219
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: I bought. They didn't care if that was up to

1220
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: what I wanted, you know, supposedly wanted. All they wanted

1221
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: was the one hundred dollar bills I had in my pocket.

1222
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: I've told the story before on here. I had an

1223
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: informative was buying drugs for me one time, and he

1224
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: was known informant, had been an informant for years. He

1225
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 2: walked up, knocked on the door, and the guy asked

1226
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: the door and he's dead now, even says his first name.

1227
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 3: He said, Leroy, what you want? He said, you know

1228
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 3: what I'm after.

1229
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,479
Speaker 2: He pulled out a hundred dollars bill and he said,

1230
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: I know you're working for the police, but you got

1231
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: that money, Come on you.

1232
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 3: And he sold it to him and he was right.

1233
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 3: He was working for the police just that short term.

1234
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 2: That short it wasn't a short it was he was

1235
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 2: taking a chance because because Leroy had a drug problem.

1236
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 3: Two.

1237
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: So he was just rolling the disk that I know

1238
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 2: you've been He was saying, I know you've been an

1239
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: informant before, but I also know that you're buying drugs.

1240
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: So you got the money, right now, I'll take my chance.

1241
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah he chose poorly, as they say, but hey, I

1242
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: mean right or wrong?

1243
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, money is the end rest.

1244
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: So you what you're saying is you carried around some

1245
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: money and like if things maybe the mood of the

1246
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: room was not great, you could.

1247
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: I just pay my money, get my stuff and walk

1248
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: out the door, or I say, I got the money

1249
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: you don't want to sell to me the guy down

1250
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: the street bill okay.

1251
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay.

1252
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1253
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big motivator. Wow.

1254
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: Here's a topic that Russ and I have talked about

1255
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: off air, is that it's like we're talking about and

1256
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: I enjoy talking about it is this stuff that kind

1257
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: of goes on behind the scenes. And but the but

1258
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: the undercover work that Russ was doing and YouTube RN

1259
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: is kind of like old school. It's different now like

1260
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: it was. We talked about, you know, like could this

1261
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: be detrimental to law enforcement to like tell these stories

1262
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: or something, and what would you say to that rush.

1263
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 6: Well, you know, first off, the height of my career

1264
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 6: was there wasn't a lot of the technology that we

1265
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 6: have today. And you know, for for listeners who are

1266
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 6: not aware of the of the US Forest Service, you know,

1267
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 6: undercover was not a.

1268
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 5: Huge thing we did every day. And I don't even know.

1269
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 6: If we covered this in the previous pod cast, but

1270
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 6: that was just part of my job. You know, I

1271
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 6: had mess lab cases on National Forest. I'd have to

1272
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 6: work wild fire ars and timber theft cases. You know,

1273
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 6: the overt investigations was part of my job or whatever

1274
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 6: duty station I was at. So, you know, the undercover

1275
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 6: just something I kind of fell into, as we discussed

1276
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 6: in the earlier podcast. But at the era that I

1277
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 6: fell into it, you didn't have Facebook, you didn't have

1278
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 6: the social media, you didn't have the back you didn't

1279
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 6: have to have the backstops that you had to have today.

1280
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 6: You know, uh uh, you know, you you you would

1281
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 6: work through the respective state that you were in and

1282
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 6: get an undercovered driver's license. Undercover, you had an undercover

1283
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 6: social Security number, you know, you'd have you'd have all that,

1284
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 6: you'd have a little bit of criminal history on your

1285
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 6: driver's license, you'd have just the normal backstops that you'd have,

1286
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 6: and you'd always use a profession that you had something

1287
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 6: that you could talk about. And the brick land wasn't

1288
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 6: natural for me, and I could discuss brick and actually

1289
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 6: they laid some brick before them, some undercovered jobs. And

1290
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 6: uh uh so I couldn't survive in the in today's

1291
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 6: world of technology doing undercover.

1292
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 5: Uh, there's just there's just no way.

1293
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1294
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1295
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's like talking about a way of

1296
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: doing things that really doesn't exist anymore, right, I mean

1297
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: is that I realize there's still undercover work that goes on,

1298
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: but it's just so vastly different.

1299
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 5: It's different, it's more technical.

1300
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

1301
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 6: There there's undercover going on every day in the world

1302
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 6: of drugs, in the world of wildlife, and the world

1303
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,479
Speaker 6: of gun trafficking. It's going on today, you know, right now,

1304
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 6: somewhere there's there's somebody being undercovered. Yeah, and and and

1305
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 6: and I commend those people that are doing it, because

1306
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 6: they are far more advanced than than I was, you know,

1307
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 6: twenty five years ago.

1308
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 5: I can tell you the hats off to them.

1309
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 6: It is a new era of people out there, and

1310
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 6: you know, just a lot more has to you know.

1311
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: What I think I actually have. Well, I may have

1312
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,919
Speaker 1: heard a smidge of criticism back when I was doing

1313
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: the RT Stewart episodes with people saying, you know what,

1314
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't like that our government does undercover stuff like that.

1315
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: That was that was something that they just didn't like

1316
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: that it was even a thing.

1317
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I want to tell you something.

1318
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 6: And in law enforcement, you're always whatever agency you work for,

1319
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 6: you're looking for the edge to put the bad person

1320
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 6: in jail. You're not looking for the edge to make

1321
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 6: someone look bad. You don't single out a user group.

1322
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 6: You don't single out uh uh. You know, you don't

1323
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 6: profile and look for a specific group of people. You look,

1324
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 6: what is the problem and how can we address it?

1325
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 6: And I a lot of times, you know, it might

1326
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 6: be high visibility patrol. Well, if you've tried high visibility patrol,

1327
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 6: and you've tried you know, community education, and you've tried

1328
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 6: going into the communities and and and get and doing

1329
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 6: special presentations at civic clubs and you still have this

1330
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 6: particular problem going on, then you what tool is left?

1331
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 6: And a lot of times the undercover is is the

1332
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 6: last two you know, Uh, this the Yellowstone case. They

1333
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 6: had been getting reports of this guy, you know for

1334
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 6: two or three years, but did not have any way

1335
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 6: to approach it.

1336
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 3: The name, one other way you could have caught him exactly.

1337
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 6: And so you know there's a there's a lot of

1338
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 6: that that you have to consider and uh and it's

1339
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 6: uh and.

1340
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 5: You'll hear entrapment, right, yeah, Well you know this wasn't.

1341
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 6: A particular under I'll not get into that this case

1342
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 6: because it's a it's a whole other, lengthy story. But

1343
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 6: you know, you got to prove intent. You know, that

1344
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 6: person their intent was the breakfast, and you can't give

1345
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 6: them that idea.

1346
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: You can't plant the idea, Hey, I'd like to go

1347
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: killing el.

1348
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, you can't plant the idea.

1349
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 6: It's just like you know, he he couldn't as an undercover,

1350
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 6: couldn't walk around town and say I got some illegal drugs.

1351
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 6: You want to buy them? That's that's a no no.

1352
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:25,839
Speaker 5: Uh.

1353
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 6: But but he could let it be known that you know, hey,

1354
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 6: if anybody wants drugs that he you know, he he

1355
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 6: back doors, figures out a way to get it out

1356
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 6: where the people approach him. He don't approach the people,

1357
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 6: you know, unless he's got information about this person that

1358
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 6: has predisposed themselves.

1359
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 5: And and and.

1360
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: That's a lot of legal technology.

1361
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 5: There is a lot of a lot of legal stuff.

1362
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 5: You know.

1363
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 6: We had a case in North Georgia working with Georgia

1364
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 6: d n r UH a guy that was illegal guiding

1365
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 6: hall hunts wild hog hunts, and we had a really

1366
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 6: tough time on that one. But through the help of

1367
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 6: some great Georgia dn R rangers, we were able to.

1368
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 5: Make that case.

1369
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 6: And that guy predeposed himself by advertising in a local area,

1370
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 6: you know, his hog hunts, and so we were able

1371
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 6: to approach him, you know. And but he had predeposed

1372
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 6: himself by advertising, if that makes sense. So, you know,

1373
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 6: you can't just plant the idea.

1374
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 5: That's entrapment.

1375
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 6: It's when a law enforcement offer plants the idea, it

1376
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 6: has to be the idea of the other person.

1377
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think there's there's value. Like my response

1378
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: to people that would have been like man I don't

1379
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: like undercover and kind of kind of like saying that it, yeah,

1380
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: might be entrapment or in infringement upon you know, private

1381
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: see and stuff like that. I'm like, it's real easy

1382
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: to not be investigated by undercover agents and that's just

1383
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: obey the law. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty like like

1384
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: if you you're a strike bear saying he walked out

1385
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: on the road and there was a game board and

1386
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, wow, what do you do? And he

1387
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: was like, well, now there's one exception to this rule,

1388
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: and that's this guy. I know. He's working me undercover

1389
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: right now. In the long game ten years, you ain't

1390
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:26,839
Speaker 1: found nothing.

1391
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 3: Yet away from my backpack. That's all.

1392
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: I got a hidden So I think there's I think

1393
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: there's I think there's value in the world knowing that

1394
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: we take wildlife crimes serious enough in this country, and

1395
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: I mean obviously drug crimes and other things that are

1396
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: just even more blatant. I mean, you know, there's some

1397
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: people when we talked about all this long for there's

1398
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: some people that I've heard that say, Hey, why people

1399
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: sending people to prison or these very stiff finds for

1400
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: wild eye, Like, is it really that big a deal.

1401
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean there's people that are, you know, doing all

1402
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: kinds of other heinous crimes. Is wildlife crime that big

1403
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: a deal? And I mean my answer is emphatically yes,

1404
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: it is. As a culture, we have said that wildlife,

1405
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 1: wildlife management is something that we value.

1406
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 5: Well, and that's very true.

1407
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 6: And I don't know how many times that I've heard

1408
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 6: you know, why aren't you out here working on the

1409
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 6: real crime?

1410
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 5: Right? You know, why aren't you working on a real crime?

1411
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 3: Well?

1412
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 6: You know, I do you know, you know, the meth

1413
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 6: lab cases, the the the murders on national form, we

1414
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 6: work those crimes.

1415
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 5: But you know what, uh, you know.

1416
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 6: When it comes to conservation and enforcement of our game laws,

1417
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 6: we have to partner with these state agencies, state agencies

1418
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 6: and work on it or will end up on with

1419
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 6: it's protecting our rights.

1420
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: You also, you know, you swear an oath to enforce

1421
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 2: the laws, not some of them.

1422
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's all of them.

1423
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 6: It's like, you know, okay, here's the Code of Federal Regulations.

1424
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 5: Which law do you not want me to enforce?

1425
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 3: Exactly?

1426
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 6: You know, do you want me to you know, to

1427
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 6: quit enforcing this one or this one? And you know,

1428
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 6: and a lot of them are more egregious once you

1429
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 6: get into it than you think. And it wasn't an

1430
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 6: undercover case, but I could tell you a case in

1431
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 6: East Tennessee where a guy was trapping live bear and

1432
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 6: taking him back to his property at his house where

1433
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 6: he had about a twenty by twenty four enclosure that

1434
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 6: he was staging bear and dog fights. And when we

1435
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 6: were able to get enough for a search warrant for

1436
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 6: that residence, we brought in a specialist from a very

1437
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 6: well respected university and with a very well respected history

1438
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 6: of bear DNA, and we're able to prove that over

1439
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 6: a period of time that there was I think it

1440
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 6: was twenty something different bear had been in that pen.

1441
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 5: Oh wow, So you know, work.

1442
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 6: In one case how many bears died or was run

1443
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,440
Speaker 6: through that type of just for the sake of entertainment

1444
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 6: and betting on bear and dog fights.

1445
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: Really?

1446
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 5: So wow wow?

1447
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 6: You know, so you have to you have to work

1448
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 6: them to find out how egregious some of them are. Yeah,

1449
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 6: and it's just I'm sure Brent can tell you. You

1450
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 6: might buy the nickel bag, but that is not what

1451
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 6: you're looking for.

1452
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: No, no, no, exactly, you're trying to get to the

1453
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 2: root of the problem. Is every every person's just a

1454
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 2: stepping stone to the to the next one.

1455
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1456
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: Interesting, interesting, Well, I thoroughly enjoyed all these stories in

1457
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: the the Apalachic Coald Tree Band. That story that came out. Uh,

1458
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this recording, it's already out. But

1459
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: it was the extra drop. Yeah you bear, I didn't

1460
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: realize that was part of the homework.

1461
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 3: Well no, not just graduate, I'm done.

1462
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: Uh the higher education that that was. That was a

1463
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: great one too.

1464
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

1465
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 8: Boy that that I think that's one of the ones

1466
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 8: I enjoyed the most, just because, man, it just seemed

1467
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 8: like the trap was set when you went to finally

1468
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 8: those guys man, what what I mean like dominoes all

1469
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 8: the way down.

1470
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: I could just see Russ pulling out going. I don't know,

1471
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: but I gotta go.

1472
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 5: Driving a uglyugly rent a car.

1473
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 6: But yeah, and there's there's one that could have never

1474
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 6: worked with today's technology.

1475
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we want to message away losing all.

1476
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 5: There's an example of that.

1477
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: Cash. What do you think about your grandpa? Nobody ever

1478
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 1: told you he was such a cool guy?

1479
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 3: Did they.

1480
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 7: Told me some crazy stories?

1481
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: What's your favorite story that your grandpa tells. Do you

1482
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:10,839
Speaker 1: have one you remember?

1483
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 5: Well, how will I remember?

1484
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 7: It's not exactly my favorite, but it's okay. I have

1485
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 7: one because I uh that I remember because it's like

1486
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 7: the most craziest and it's about this guy that pooped

1487
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 7: it in the back of his car.

1488
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 8: It looks like we're going to have another episode.

1489
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:39,799
Speaker 1: Car.

1490
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 5: And actually that that was associated Rainbow family member.

1491
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and the Rainbow Full Circle.

1492
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:50,480
Speaker 5: And I had forgotten.

1493
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 6: That's probably been two years since I've told him that story.

1494
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 6: He always asked me to tell him police stories, and uh,

1495
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 6: I'm about run out of them.

1496
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 3: Just make him up here.

1497
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 6: No, no, but that that was true. He was he

1498
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 6: was at a national Rainbow gathering and was arrested into

1499
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 6: put in the back of a Crown vict completely unclosed

1500
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 6: and having to be transported to jail, and just decided

1501
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 6: to defecate in the back of the car and spread

1502
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 6: it overwhere.

1503
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 5: Just to get back at me.

1504
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: So, uh, your vehicle, yes, yes, oh wow.

1505
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 5: So anyway, that's.

1506
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,480
Speaker 1: Just that's not what I got expected.

1507
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 6: No, that wasn't what they expected when they go through

1508
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 6: the sally port either.

1509
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 5: When the guy's processing.

1510
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,520
Speaker 1: He was yikes.

1511
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 5: So that's a did you come up with that one?

1512
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 4: Archives?

1513
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: Jesus if that's your favorite for what your second?

1514
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 4: He can't tell it on air.

1515
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, we're going to have to hold

1516
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: that one back.

1517
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,759
Speaker 6: I thought he was gonna tell about us going hiking

1518
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 6: or something, or to the waterfall or something fun.

1519
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 3: But anyway, mm hmmod job.

1520
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 5: I'm glad you pan attention, Isaac.

1521
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: Any questions you got cameraman back there? No, I thought

1522
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: it was phenomenal series of stories. Uh, and Isaac like

1523
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: it was interpret Isaac like the stories ahead. Uh, can't

1524
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: can't have him that lifestyle. Not good for that. Very

1525
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: thankful for it, ye yep, yep. Well, uh no, Russ,

1526
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure, pleasure to get to know you, man.

1527
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean when we're gonna we're gonna stay in touch

1528
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,799
Speaker 1: for sure. Just uh No, it's a you're You're a unique,

1529
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: neat unique guy in that Russ is a good storyteller.

1530
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: He's got great stories. And then just the integrity that

1531
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: you see inside of Rust. When Misty listened to Russ,

1532
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: she that's what she picked up immediately before she met him,

1533
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: was just like this is a good guy and the

1534
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 1: and uh uh but anyway, Yeah, for all your years

1535
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: of service and what you did.

1536
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 8: I think I think I'm grateful just to be able

1537
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 8: to have the open window to peer in and see

1538
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 8: that from the from your perspective that I.

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01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: Think there's there's there's something to that. I mean, just

1540
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 1: just being willing to talk because I mean, not everybody

1541
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: would be uh. And I think it takes uh.

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01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1543
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: I think it's good that we talk about this stuff.

1544
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: I think it's valuable. But I don't remember if I

1545
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: said it. But part of my I mean, any any

1546
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: story that I do on bear grease, like I'm thinking

1547
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: about it from every possible way that I know how

1548
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: to think about it, even critically, like is this story

1549
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: is there is there is there some negative to telling

1550
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: this story because anything that I'm going to talk about, like,

1551
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: I want to get behind it fully and I do

1552
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: like to talk about controversial stuff at times. I mean,

1553
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, and and uh, but I think there's value

1554
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: in people knowing that this is happening, like it it

1555
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: sets a it continues to show the the ethic of

1556
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: this country is that we live by the rule of law.

1557
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: Like you go to a lot of countries and other places,

1558
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: and people don't stop at red lights. People don't obey

1559
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: traffic laws. I mean, that's a big thing in the

1560
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: world in a lot of places. Here. Percent of the time,

1561
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: if you turn loose an American on a lonely country

1562
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: road and there's a stop sign, most of the time

1563
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: they're going to stop. They may do a roll and stop.

1564
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 3: Well it's a night. Then you can cut your lights off.

1565
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 3: You don't see any.

1566
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's exceptions to this rule, but but the but

1567
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 1: the principle I'll stand by is that we are we

1568
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: are a people that have an ethic that that we

1569
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: we want we want laws, we respect law, we respect laws.

1570
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 1: And there's obviously exceptions to that, YadA YadA. But point being,

1571
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:54,839
Speaker 1: this makes us realize that there's it puts teeth behind

1572
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 1: that and and honestly keeps keeps us all honest in

1573
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: a way. I mean, if if I know and not

1574
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: that not that I would be necessarily tempted to break

1575
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: the law. But if a person was, if he heard

1576
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: this story, he'd be like, man, I gotta you know

1577
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: they're they're people working to enforce these laws. Yeah, I

1578
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 1: just think there's value in that. Yeah, absolutely, I think

1579
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: they're value in it. Brent and I are gonna be

1580
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: in Venice, Louisiana on a Meat Eater Experiences trip.

1581
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 2: I think, uh, they'll let me take my trout line

1582
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 2: down there.

1583
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure, let's catch some redfish with trial, That's

1584
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 8: what I'm talking about.

1585
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: I think they've got a few spots left. The trips

1586
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: aren't cheap, Brent and I. I mean, it'd be nice

1587
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: if it was like five hundred bucks for like a

1588
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: four day trip all food, lodging, fishing, guiding, but it's not.

1589
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: It's more expensive than that. But there there's some spots

1590
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 1: left for that trip.

1591
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 4: Brent and if they want and you can get it.

1592
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, it's a it's a fully guided fishing trip

1593
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: is what it is. But we'll be there with some

1594
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: of the other meteor crew.

1595
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:07,759
Speaker 3: It'll be fun.

1596
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to show everybody this to Mediator just came

1597
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: out with a collab with a co lab with the

1598
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: Montana Knife company. They call the flat tail.

1599
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 4: Perfect for cutting that apple up.

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01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, shows how it works. Josh, come on, come on,

1601
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 1: don't cut your hand.

1602
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 3: Out like this.

1603
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that. I'm gonna take that goat hunting.

1604
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: I hadn't cut anything with it.

1605
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 3: God man dropped it in the floor.

1606
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: I think that on the online One.

1607
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 8: Of the one of my greatest memories of my grandfather

1608
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 8: is eating apples with.

1609
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 1: Cutting them. Well, Russ and Cash, thank you so much

1610
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: for coming. I hope you'll have had a good time.

1611
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: And uh uh Cash take care old Stubby Larry for us.

1612
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 5: Well, we want to thank you and and the whole

1613
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 5: crew because.

1614
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 6: Uh, it's it's a it's a well worthy project that

1615
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 6: you that you work on, you do an excellent job

1616
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 6: at it, and so you've exposed a lot of I'm

1617
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 6: gonna go ahead and say this, and this is not

1618
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 6: a promo. Clay's not asked me to say this, but

1619
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 6: he is. He's reconnected me with a lot of people

1620
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 6: that I hadn't talked to in twenty five or thirty

1621
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:19,799
Speaker 6: years from all over the country.

1622
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 5: Oh that's that's looked me up.

1623
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 6: And that I worked with, that I worked with and

1624
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 6: because I'm not a social media guy, and they found

1625
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 6: ways to look me up and uh and reconnected and

1626
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 6: and and got a lot of new uh what I

1627
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 6: would say, interest in the agency, which was one of

1628
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 6: the things that I really wanted to get across is

1629
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 6: because the US four Services, it's kind of a forgotten agency.

1630
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 5: It's a great agency.

1631
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 6: Got a lot of different functional areas within that agency

1632
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 6: and not just law enforcement. And uh, it was a

1633
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 6: great career and uh I appreciate the exposure, yeah to

1634
01:22:58,600 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 6: the agency.

1635
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, right on, Well, we appreciate it, and I hope

1636
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: you'll have a safe trip back to Tennessee.

1637
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 5: Thank you.