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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, A little bit of a casual. Who's your father?

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Speaker 1: I'm coming live from my daughter's bedroom.

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Speaker 2: Casey, and I hope sometimes I love by the way,

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Speaker 2: what's happening. I see Peppa Peppa pigs in the house,

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Speaker 2: See some art. I see some wall of cassettes? Or

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Speaker 2: is that a painting of a wall of cassettes?

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Speaker 3: No, those are my actual cassettes. They were.

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Speaker 1: This is when this was like an office that I used,

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Speaker 2: Now I will we have this in common. Well, this

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Speaker 2: the corner. That's my music world. Is this today's song

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Speaker 2: about parenting?

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Speaker 3: No, this has nothing to do with that. This part.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they do that. It happens in science. Men wear

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Speaker 2: Men wear the same shirt. Women are from venus.

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Speaker 1: They were my first set of drumsticks, and Wow and

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Speaker 1: And my great aunt, so my grandfather's sister told me

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Speaker 1: Well one thing that's cool is that our great grandfathers

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Speaker 2: is where he transitions into what's coming next? I love it.

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Speaker 3: You're in the You're in the hint zone.

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Speaker 2: We should have we what are we doing? We need

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Speaker 3: Yep, family family corner. We're just opening up with family corner.

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Speaker 3: But now it's time to take it to the hint zone.

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Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, hint zone. And that could be sponsored by

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Speaker 1: That'd be great if they gave us all that money.

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Speaker 2: Or Wiki now it would be Wiki.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wellcome to the hint zone sponsored by Wiki. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so that makes me think that today's Chancey is something

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Speaker 2: that did not happen.

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Speaker 3: Chancey. I love that.

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Speaker 1: That's the person that we're like, we're giving a chance

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Speaker 3: Our chancers are going to love Chancey.

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Speaker 2: The chancers and the chances. What are we? We're the

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Speaker 2: Do I have to get a hint?

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Speaker 1: I know, I didn't know if you want another hint

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, So the guess is these are things that

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Speaker 1: That's that's all that the people that we were talking

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so this would be something that the person

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Speaker 3: No, I know that song though it's na easy.

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Speaker 2: That's not I just know because I know that guy

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Speaker 1: Oh that's pretty good. So Superman five for fighting five

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Speaker 2: That's a good fighting, that's a good that's a hockey

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Speaker 3: I never realized that. Let's see.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they were infamous for they had a big incident

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yep?

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Speaker 2: Or is it blame it on the rain?

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Speaker 3: Which one I'll do either.

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Speaker 1: I I don't know Milli Vanilli, And kind of why

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Speaker 2: You know, I was playing in clubs with your great

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't even doing karaoke. They were lip syncing, right.

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Speaker 2: Without question. I think that what's funny about Melli Vanilli

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Speaker 2: recent episodes. This is another place where our slight age

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Speaker 2: DIF Friends is like the most formative. I think it

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Speaker 2: Millie Vanilli was like I was a member of Columbia House,

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Speaker 2: which you've talked about. I think we got twelve cassettes

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Speaker 2: Blame it on the rain? The album? Is that the

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Speaker 3: Walk My grandpa's there playing.

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Speaker 2: Willie Nelson wrote Crazy for Patsy Klein that people write

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Speaker 2: kind of scandalized by and really being this like these

440
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 2: talentless and yet like they deceived the American public. And

441
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 2: of course what I think from that about that now

442
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: is that that was an industrial deceit through and.

443
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 3: Through the beyond industry plant beyond that well.

444
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: Great complicit not only even complicit, like they they did it.

445
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: Do you think they went too far?

446
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

447
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: And I just will just button button that up by

448
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 2: saying That's the thing that I take away from it

449
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: is actually like it is yet another iteration of the

450
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 2: like all of the different ways that there's just like

451
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: so much blood in the soil with the music industries,

452
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 2: like some things it does.

453
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: Some people get really mad with any lip syncing, and

454
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't. It depends on what it is, right, Like

455
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: so like the super Bowl, I think you're like not

456
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: actually allowed to play the instruments like they have to

457
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: because of like wind and stuff like that.

458
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 3: So like and like reverberation, I.

459
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: Think people were like mad at like the Chili Peppers

460
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: for like not playing like the actual instruments, but I

461
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 1: think they were told like there were never no one

462
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: does like you're not like allowed to like you're just.

463
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: Like Top of the Pops in the UK or something like,

464
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: no one's actually playing.

465
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: Live and it's really just a celebration of your music

466
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: if you get that opportunity. But I think that maybe

467
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: it's fifty to fifty with singing or at least like

468
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe you know more than I do

469
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,239
Speaker 1: about like I think often like a singer will get

470
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: to the venue early, record their vocal in that place.

471
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: For something like the super Bowl, something like super Bowl,

472
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: and then play that.

473
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: So it's at least like it seems like it's it's

474
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: it's in that universe, not like it's in a studio somewhere.

475
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, nowadays they might be able to just take

476
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: your track from something else and make it sound like

477
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: that with like you know.

478
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 3: Effects and things. But it doesn't really bother me.

479
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: Do I think it's cooler when you see a Beyonce

480
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 1: or a Lady Gaga that's actually singing you know they are,

481
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: and they're.

482
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 2: Like Kendrick Lamar, like breathlessly rapping very verbally dexterous things

483
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: for twenty five minutes while running around a football field.

484
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I give it more points, but I don't think

485
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: I subtract that many points. If I see someone who's

486
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: especially like a like if Katy Perry is lip sinking,

487
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't really care. I kind of think like, what

488
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 1: has been given to me this from part of this

489
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 1: package is like these pop sensibilities, and for it to

490
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: be the best version of it with dancing and choreography

491
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: and a shark costume for Katy Perry, I'm like mandatory.

492
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is all part of the thing, and

493
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that, you know, But I do want

494
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: on the record it to be Katy Perry's voice, and

495
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: I kind of don't want it to be too auto tuned.

496
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: That's my other sort of that.

497
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: Ship has kind of I think, oh yeah, I actually

498
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: think it's like as so to unpack some of those things.

499
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 2: I'm not sure you would. That makes sense to me,

500
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: Like I don't really know what happens at a thing

501
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 2: like the super Bowl if people go there and like

502
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 2: I think a blend and it seems like I've seen

503
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: certain performances there where it's like very clear that the

504
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: person's just like one hundred percent lip syncing, and then

505
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: there's some mix where the sometimes people sing, sometimes people

506
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: it's like some kind of hybridized things. Sometimes it does

507
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: sound like they're there. It looks like they're lip syncing too,

508
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: in an alternative performance of the vocal. You know what

509
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Like they're doing like what you suggested, the

510
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 2: only like semi relevant analogous personal experience I've ever had.

511
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: This might surprise our listeners and you what. I have

512
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: not played at the super Bowl halftime show.

513
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: But I did do the post you did the post

514
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: show and the pose.

515
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yah, I did the pre well, I did the

516
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: pre in the post, I did the end the post.

517
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: You did shows before the super Bowl and after the

518
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: super Bowl. Like even if it was days later.

519
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: I've done shows pre and post almost every Super Bowl

520
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: since since like nineteen ninety six.

521
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: Which is in I mean, that's incredible.

522
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: Good streak, Meryl streak. But I did I do I

523
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 2: played the national land them at City Field before in

524
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: September of twenty sixteen.

525
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't wait, wait, how do I not know the

526
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: fact about you?

527
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: Maybe I told you and you forgot. Maybe I never

528
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: told Probably you never told me. That is so I'll

529
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: send you the VID. But it was that was that

530
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: was definitely like a live performance year sixteen September of

531
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. Yes, did you do it?

532
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: That?

533
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: There was I did? I said, yeah, Actually I didn't.

534
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I have so many there's so many borderline

535
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: later Chris things. I could talk about about that, but

536
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: we have to keep it on the chance. But I

537
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: will just say that on.

538
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: Gone.

539
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: No, I like.

540
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: Actually, like I talking about the national anthem, like now

541
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: we've entered Kem's Patriot Zone, which is sponsored by US Auto.

542
00:26:46,320 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I I that was a thing where

543
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: I had the tiniest like taste of what those people

544
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: contend with because it's wild, like you do it with

545
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: any I did it with in your monitors. It was

546
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: a live performance. I'd worked out an arrangement on acoustic

547
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: guitar and vocal that was like somewhat like what I

548
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: might do, but you're in a bowl. It's forty one

549
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: thousand capacity stadium and you're standing like by the pitchers mound,

550
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: and it was completely surreal to the extent that it

551
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: actually didn't even feel It didn't even feel like it

552
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: was really happening in a sense. And what it sounded

553
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: like why you have to do it with in ears

554
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: is because of the reverberation. Yeah, like there's a there's

555
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: a natural delay, it's distance and scope that is just

556
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: like like you have to keep the in ears to

557
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: actually be like I don't know if like this is

558
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: a very niche reference to some degree, but like four

559
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: A D Records, it sounded to me like an old

560
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: Night or eighties nineties like Pixies, Cock two Twins Cock,

561
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: whatever you say that that band, and like or like

562
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: House Painters, like so much reverb that you could like

563
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: like I was like this like acorn in the middle

564
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: of this like field of reverb. So I do understand

565
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: from a technical perspective, why if you were doing something

566
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: I was doing two minutes once. Ever, if you were

567
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: doing something that was to whoever was there and it

568
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 2: was the national anthem, if you were doing like your

569
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: five biggest hits in a medley with dancing and whatever

570
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: in front of like eighty thousand people and one hundred

571
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: million people watching at home, you wanted to just be

572
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: the most refined version of the thing as is possible,

573
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: and whatever needs to happen from a you know whatever,

574
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, the word corners might need to

575
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: be cut. If it's like I'm not really a single.

576
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: Socials, it must go on. It needs to be a

577
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: good product and packaged well. There's like a lot at Steak.

578
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit at all about people lip

579
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: syncing and pop music. And I think it's partly because

580
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: of what happened to these guys very quickly to give

581
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: the song a chance, such an effective banger we cand

582
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: pop song. They're like love that. They didn't even worry

583
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: about a bridge, love that. They were just like, let's

584
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: get in and out in three minutes, like that style

585
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: of late eighties rapt I.

586
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: Love it like it takes me back. I love that

587
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: stuff and the music. I really liked. It's really like simple,

588
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: but it's that simple layering that's almost like minimalist, like almost.

589
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: Like drums cool big, like yeah yeah.

590
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: The parts go all so well together, like almost like

591
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: a Bazaran song, you know, like a like a David

592
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: Bazon song where it's like I would.

593
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: Love to hear him sing this.

594
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: I know.

595
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like minimal and like simple lines, but when

596
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: you put them all together, it becomes this complex thing.

597
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: And then there's that part towards the end where it's

598
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: like that like.

599
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was like the production choices, like that

600
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: deep rumbling synth thing, and then the way they cut

601
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: up that towards the end, like what stands as a

602
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: bridge almost like it's like because it's I think sometimes

603
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: of a bridge is like a thing that slightly augments

604
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: in one space if it lieu of like a like

605
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: a traditional Lennon McCartney middle eight or whatever. Sometimes there's

606
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: like there's this thing at the end where they just

607
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: do this like like in the background, it's like they're

608
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: doing all this like interesting chopping and editing. It's a

609
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: well produced, well executed dance pop radio song, and it's

610
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: a minor key but major in theme, which is kind

611
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: of cool. It's like a like a worshipful love song

612
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: that's in a minor key, which is kind of interesting.

613
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 1: You were talking about before it was like a beat swap.

614
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: And I've been listening to this song because Mariy likes it.

615
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: It's called Pretty Girl Rock by Kerry Hilson. It's like

616
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, and it's good. It's a good song alone.

617
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: It's it's just like one of those fun songs that

618
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: also kids just like. But it has a great beat

619
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: swap in it, like where it's like the exact same

620
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: lyrics and stuff while you're talking about and then they

621
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: just change the the the the melody of the beat

622
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: with like the same drums though, and it's such an

623
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 1: effective fun switcheroo.

624
00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: Right right.

625
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: Another song that kind of does it.

626
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: It's different because there's a that song uh to p

627
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: Diddy song rest in Peace, and it's all about the

628
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: Benjamin's Oh there's a beat swap to when Biggie goes

629
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: oh yeah verse is like the beat completely changes and

630
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: it's so fun. So like anytime there's something that feels

631
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: like a real just change, it's it's exciting totally.

632
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: And this is slightly subtle, Yes, yes, just because there's

633
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: that's true, that one's great, but there's it's just it

634
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: feels like they like make a couple of like production

635
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: choices to kind of just like slightly it's almost like

636
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: they faint in that direction. So like but but as

637
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: far as like authenticity, like it's funny. I think what

638
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: this opened up was a much and I think it

639
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: almost circled around later that was like I think they

640
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: really were like sacrificial lambs, like did the punishment fit

641
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: the crime? Like how much are they even to be

642
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: blamed for the crime? Is it even a crime? And

643
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: then I you know, it makes me think of like

644
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: I took in college, you know, like there was a

645
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: path that I did not ultimately pursue that was like,

646
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: you know, maybe being the kind of person that was

647
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: like studying like like journalism slash scholarship about music a

648
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: different kind of like like which is I don't know,

649
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: maybe that executes itself in a fractional way in our conversations,

650
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: but there was like the way like a certain kind

651
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: of thoughtfulness about modes of like pop construction or whatever.

652
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: And one of the things I do remember fully talking

653
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: about in this Woman on a Heed Kasabians class was authenticity,

654
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: and I remember her being like, why do you who's

655
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: more authentic, Bob Dylan or Britney Spears, And of course,

656
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: like most of the class is like who had an

657
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: awareness of the two? Was like Bob Dylan and I

658
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: remember her being like, why his name's Robert Zimmerman. Everything

659
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: he said about his biographical history is made up, like

660
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: you know, like she went through all of the things,

661
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: and it's like, why do we think because someone's standing

662
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: there in like a jeans and a T shirt holding

663
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: an acoustic guitar, that's more authentic. Britney Spears was like

664
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: Mickey mouse Kid, who never made any bones about wanting

665
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: to be anything other than a pop singer, dancer, entertainer.

666
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: And that's what this is. I know, we're coming up

667
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: to our time.

668
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: Beautiful, that's you articulated that so well, or at least

669
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: a teacher did new million Vanilla?

670
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: Did you fab your fab?

671
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: Dudea rob all the day then ended up being the

672
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: drummer for the Strokes Fab at least he had like

673
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: a second career. He does actually play drums in that sometimes.

674
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Actually some people think that it's drum machine and some

675
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: people think it's ruel, but it's not. He's just that's

676
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: how he learned. He learned from drum Machine little that's

677
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: a little fab history. That's true. The yeah, so yeah,

678
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: we don't have a ton of time. But I would

679
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: say that the song itself is great. I you know,

680
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: I give it all the chances because it's like a

681
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, confection sugar pop. It's great, and I'm glad.

682
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: I never I'm glad I got to experience it for

683
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: the first time. I'm like, here, it's really good. I

684
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: want to hear the other songs like rare is it

685
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: like sometimes you know, we hear MoMA number five or something,

686
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, cool, But I don't really want to.

687
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 2: Get like I'm good on Louis Bega.

688
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want to hear I want to hear

689
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: some more of these songs.

690
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: Memory serves. If memory serves, blame it on the rain

691
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: is maybe even better. Blame it on the rain is

692
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: like a really.

693
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: That had a song about so I think my friend

694
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: told me about that. Is that a song in that

695
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: you're crying and you're letting the you're letting the rain

696
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: make you cover your tears.

697
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: I would have to go back and look.

698
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: I think you I would know that's I wish it

699
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: would rain.

700
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: But that's that.

701
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: But that's my person. That's a man who's crying so

702
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: much that he's like, I wish it would rain to

703
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: cover my face?

704
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: Is that Phil Collins girl, I wish it would rain?

705
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: Temptations?

706
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: Originally maybe maybe the oh no different, that's a different song.

707
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

708
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: I always thought blame it on the rain was like

709
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: almost like about.

710
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: The rain, blame it on the boogie.

711
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: I thought it was like almost like life can be

712
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: unpredictable and chaotic and painful, and sometimes we can't predict

713
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: like it's unpredictable, and sometimes there's nothing to pin to

714
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: blame on. So what do you do? Blame it on

715
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: the rain like something almost like that. But I haven't listened.

716
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: I haven't exigeted the texts in about Crisp thirty eight

717
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: at this point.

718
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: Oh wait, right, I'm a forty five, you're much older.

719
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: You're my great grandpa's age, And I want to wrap

720
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: it up by just saying that my great grandpa he's

721
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: It's it's a mixed bag, right, like you hear two

722
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: different stories, and that's that's million Vanilli for you, you know,

723
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: find your own, find your own reason of why, you

724
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: Your own adventure to Blame it on the rain, Blame

725
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: it on your great cunch pennies in half, eat them

726
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: fucking sing, or don't I don't care,