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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast hit twenty three miles per

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Speaker 1: hour on next Gen Stance. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL. I am Dan Hanss joined by heroes

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler. It is the post Christmas

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Speaker 1: Day recap. We're gonna hit a bunch of games where

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hit a TNF preview for yes week seventeen.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, and I gotta say, guys, like, first of all,

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Speaker 1: Happy Happy Day, Happy Day after Christmas and Boxing Day,

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Speaker 1: Boxing Day to the Canadians. Shout out to the Canadians,

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Speaker 1: whatever that is, I hope you enjoy it. But after

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Speaker 1: TNF and then the X miss Eve XL and then

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Speaker 1: Jesus of Nazareth presents the Holiday Classic triple header, I'm

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Speaker 1: now like the opposite of what I was talking about

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Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve, where you know you have the old

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Speaker 1: hidden gift routine. I'm terrified looking under the tree for

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Speaker 1: a gift that has not been open. And all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden it's the you know, Nashville Ninjas led by

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Speaker 1: Brock Osweiler against the Vancouver Grizzlies led by John Beck.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, we know the Grizzlies were already taken, but

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Speaker 1: the NFL didn't care. They just bought that website and

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Speaker 1: they just added a couple more teams and it's going

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Speaker 1: to do the biggest number of any show today. Also,

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Speaker 1: this is now my fear, the fear of the gift

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Speaker 1: not being seen yet.

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Speaker 2: I think Dan, you you said it well, because we

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Speaker 2: were discussing this on text with a various with variable

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Speaker 2: angst between the three of us. Greg seems to completely

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Speaker 2: enjoy the scenario. Dan and Mark maybe a little bit less.

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Speaker 1: Greg's finally gotten it, He's got He's finally gotten what

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Speaker 1: he wanted all those years ago. Football every day because

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Speaker 1: Greg Greg quickly, Greg quickly turned around said but next week,

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Speaker 1: you know, next year, Christmas is on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to avoid all of this, which you

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Speaker 2: know in theory, you know, comforting.

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Speaker 3: But Dan, I thought you made the right point.

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Speaker 2: Was like, it doesn't matter when Christmas is, Like, the

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Speaker 2: NFL will do this every Christmas Day and Christmas Eve

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Speaker 2: for the rest of time, So whether you enjoy it

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Speaker 2: or not, it will be in your life eternally.

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Speaker 1: I try to be a good sport about it. It

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Speaker 1: was a busy day yesterday with all the things with

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Speaker 1: the big holiday. I'm starting to think, Greg, your your

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Speaker 1: family goes to Japan every Christmas, and I sometimes be

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Speaker 1: like I feel bad for Greg, But now I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: like this is now sinking up perfectly for you, the

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Speaker 1: way the New World is operating. But I you know, I.

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Speaker 4: Tried, No, it sucks.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know it does. I tried to keep

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Speaker 1: up and be professional while also being a family man.

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Speaker 1: And then I jumped on Twitter this morning. I got

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Speaker 1: up early to get ready for these games we're about

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Speaker 1: to talk about, and people are just going nuts on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: apparently all throughout the night. Everyone listen the product. It's successful.

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Speaker 4: Well, I got to say, when you looked at the slate,

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Speaker 4: you were like, Okay, there's some good teams here. But

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Speaker 4: the games, you know, they other than the marquee one,

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Speaker 4: which we'll start with one of the best, maybe the

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Speaker 4: best matchup of the year, the others were like, okay,

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Speaker 4: three out of four were like huge upsets with insane comebacks.

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Speaker 4: They were like surprising results. So at the very least

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Speaker 4: NFL did their thing in terms of like wow, because

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Speaker 4: the league looks a little different, I feel like than

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Speaker 4: it did. Even when we tape Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you on that, and we got to

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Speaker 1: start with the most impactful game of the regular season

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Speaker 1: that changed standings. It changed how the top and the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the playoff picture looks with two weeks to play.

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Speaker 1: It likely changed how the MVP will be decided. We'll

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Speaker 1: go in reverse chronicle order, starting with Christmas Night in

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Speaker 1: Santa Clara.

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Speaker 2: Raven stretch three receivers to the right, Labar Jackson fax

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Speaker 2: the toss to the right, throws across a.

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Speaker 5: Little touchdown, say Flowers, and the Ravens strike on back

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Speaker 4: Drives and it is done.

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Speaker 3: I just believe here at Levi Stadium in Santa Clara.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson throws two touchdown passes in the span of

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Speaker 1: greg a lot about what you think. It removes the

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Speaker 1: kind of threw himself out of the MVP conversation. Potentially

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Speaker 1: that they are an absolute wrecking crew that should not

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Speaker 4: I love this Ravens team all season because there's no

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Speaker 4: weak spot. Like they have their weeks where they're not

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Speaker 4: impressive overall. They barely squeak past the Chargers even a

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Speaker 4: they have bomb drop games that won against the Lions,

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Speaker 4: teams by at least fourteen points this year, which would

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Speaker 4: more than five times, which is crazy. And they're just

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Speaker 4: it's the right place to start here where there was

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Speaker 4: it's all happening in a very calm manner. I've really

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Speaker 4: what a vicious Ravens defense this is when they're playing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this this Baltimore team. I kind of loved reading

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Speaker 2: nationally and Greg you were one of the first people

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Speaker 2: I thought they were an awkward team. Even when we

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Speaker 2: it was Yes, it was their offense, but I thought

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Speaker 2: their defense made Rock Party look confused at times. Now

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Speaker 2: Brock party only had two actual turnover worthy plays according

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Speaker 2: to PFF. I mean there are four picks. And yes,

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Speaker 2: you can say yanksam out of the MVP conversation. I

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Speaker 2: don't buy that entirely because I think it's it's your

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Speaker 2: they've They've absolutely destroyed the Lions, the Jaguars, they blew

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Speaker 2: I don't buy Lamar Jacksons as MVP, but that's.

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Speaker 3: Just me personally.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think he's as good as he was

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Speaker 2: when he was the MVP. But all that is fine.

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Speaker 2: Like the Ravens right now are in an up and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think the Ravens listen the league changes

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Speaker 1: This could be a bad, ugly bump in the road.

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Speaker 1: We've learned too much covering this game and doing the

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Speaker 1: Week sixteen. But it was eye opening on both sides.

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Speaker 1: And the Ravens. Yeah they're bad dudes. I mean, these

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Speaker 1: Baltimore would love to see the Niners again in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl if it ever got to that. Here's Patrick

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Speaker 6: You play a Brandon football and people don't want to play.

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Speaker 6: Everybody want to be out here q playing basketball on

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Speaker 6: So you can do all that stuff. You just gonna

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Speaker 6: care of this by all the pretty stuff you do,

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Speaker 6: gammixed stuff. He just out line, we still have had

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Speaker 6: a line of play football. You still have to get touch.

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Speaker 6: So that's how Mind said, that's how we want to

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Speaker 1: The mouth and Greg. You know, the game opens with

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Speaker 1: a Ravens going three and out on the road. The

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Speaker 1: goes right down the field. A big kittle reception is

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Speaker 1: Steve O Samuel at that throw, and he does, it's

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Speaker 1: that in there. All of a sudden, the Nighters jump

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Speaker 1: And while Purdy maybe he wasn't four interceptions bad, if

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Speaker 1: he got away with a couple as well. Baltimore just

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Speaker 1: made him look like everything that the Party doubters have

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Speaker 1: been saying that he is someone that is not special

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Speaker 1: despite the stats being special. And I thought that interception

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was one kind of what I'm talking about,

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Speaker 4: where he was late and he's not gonna stop firing it,

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Speaker 4: had his best two throws the Knight to Kittle, but

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Speaker 4: he dirts one to McCaffrey. Maybe that was the next

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Speaker 1: You know, once upon a time Earl Murrow won the

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Speaker 2: he's mentally tough, like his teammates Adorham.

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Speaker 3: Like the idea that you'd go replace him.

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Speaker 2: I know you're not saying this, but the idea that

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Speaker 2: I'm glad because I think number one, the way he

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Speaker 2: and like the idea that this is suddenly who this

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Speaker 2: like I absolutely expect him to bounce back. I cannot

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Speaker 3: It's all it's all it is.

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Speaker 4: He's just for it. But I think in the ads

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Speaker 2: Everything that happened, like within the last twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: You know what it is though, it is just one game,

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Speaker 1: Lamar and this is Lamar's chance to get back in

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Speaker 1: But I think you can lose. I didn't factor that,

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Speaker 1: Although I like a lot of the people involved in

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Speaker 4: Right, the Ravens have a very tough matchup this week

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Speaker 4: I think he's I think if you watch him week

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Speaker 3: And like, I think there's a different conversation.

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything both of you said, and Greg

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Speaker 1: different than past years. We've been talking about it for

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Speaker 1: a few weeks now. I think, yeah, I think Christan

436
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Speaker 1: McCaffrey is the guy having a historic year and a

437
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Speaker 1: year where Lamar and Josh Allen are having great years

438
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Speaker 1: in a down year at the position a quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: I think there's just things to take into account. Finally,

440
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Speaker 1: Trent Williams, left tackle, Niners, keep an eye on this.

441
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Speaker 1: He's got a growing injury. We'll see. He finished that

442
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Speaker 1: game on the sideline on a short week. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if he plays against Washington and and hopefully for San Francisco.

444
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Speaker 1: He is okay. And also Rock Party did exit that

445
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Speaker 1: game with a stinger as well, so I imagine he's

446
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Speaker 1: gonna be okay. But injuries there as well. And last

447
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Speaker 1: little weird note, they showed this on the telecast and

448
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: NFL the Twitter handle official Twitter handle amplified it. John

449
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: Harbaugh who's obviously feeling great as he deserves to after

450
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Speaker 1: a game like that, had a kind of a strange

451
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Speaker 1: exchange with Rock Purty on the worst night of his

452
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Speaker 1: professional career. Let's actually credit Matt Lively on Twitter with this.

453
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: John shakes his hand, looks him in the eyes. People

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Speaker 1: tell me we look alike. Then you see Purty after

455
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Speaker 1: the handshake walking away, like, are you kidding me? Do

456
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Speaker 1: you look alike?

457
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Speaker 4: He's not now?

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Speaker 1: Not now, John. That's that's that's very flip and trivial

459
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Speaker 1: in a very dark moment for an injured Rock party

460
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Speaker 1: after the worst game of his career. By the way,

461
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Speaker 1: congratulations Mark, you a lock off. You were pretty fired

462
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Speaker 1: up on text last night, but you you were. You

463
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Speaker 1: have no reason to be in a bad mood because

464
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Speaker 1: the the Ravens absolutely made a statement on your behalf

465
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Speaker 1: as you beat both Nick Westling and Greg Rosenthal and

466
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Speaker 1: a huge, huge spot.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I so I urged Greg to do

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Speaker 3: this for the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was a great Greg. I hope you're taking

470
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Speaker 1: the right lessons out of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, that was that was a bad lock I

472
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Speaker 4: thank Nick for making it as well.

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Speaker 1: So it was, But like Nick challenged you Greg, imagine

474
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Speaker 1: how sweet it would have been on top of that

475
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Speaker 1: Nick challenging manhood lock off with me, and then you

476
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Speaker 1: instead sided with Nick Westling and then you end.

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Speaker 4: Up Well, I didn't know I was siding with him.

478
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Speaker 4: I I make the picks, and that was a very

479
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Speaker 4: wrong pick. I shouldn't have I shouldn't have doubted, doubted

480
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Speaker 4: this team. But yes, I've never seen a person enjoy

481
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Speaker 4: a lock uh less. I I got out of our

482
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Speaker 4: final Channel five broadcasts of the year, thanks for everyone

483
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Speaker 4: watch it over there. Uh got into my car and

484
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Speaker 4: saw an insane amount of hatred towards the Ravens and

485
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Speaker 4: the sport and and everything. It's like, I was a

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Speaker 4: joy in the hell out of that game. That's how

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Speaker 4: I knew my heart was.

488
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Speaker 2: I know you of course you were, But of course

489
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Speaker 2: you were. You're like like the Why and the Lamarmie,

490
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Speaker 2: so of course you were.

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Speaker 4: It felt like a great sworting event and then it

492
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Speaker 4: and then it went sideways.

493
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Speaker 2: But I totally like, so, I I do acknowledge that, like,

494
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Speaker 2: it's not even a Browns thing with the Ravens.

495
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Speaker 3: It isn't it.

496
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Speaker 2: I do think the Ravens fans in general, it's like

497
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Speaker 2: if you're not, like, if you're above the age of twenty,

498
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Speaker 2: understand where the team came from. I've been down that

499
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Speaker 2: road before verbally, but like, I am quite fascinated with

500
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Speaker 2: the Sniners team, and I don't like what happened, and

501
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: it put me in a bad mood. And it's like

502
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Speaker 2: this crowning of the Ravens on December twenty fifth. Cool,

503
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Speaker 2: let's see what happens the super Bowl does not occur

504
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Speaker 2: on December twenty four one.

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Speaker 4: No one's crowding him. I thought about that last night, Like, look,

506
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Speaker 4: if they don't win the super Bowl they had last night.

507
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Speaker 4: These are valuable as as fans like enjoy that you

508
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Speaker 4: just won on Christmas Night against the like forty if

509
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Speaker 4: you can't enjoy it at moment, if you can't enjoy

510
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Speaker 4: that win, even if in the end you lose in

511
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Speaker 4: the AFC Championship game, like that is. This is a

512
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Speaker 4: fun couple of weeks to be a Ravens fan.

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Speaker 1: Beest dog. You were big mad. I don't think I've

514
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Speaker 1: ever seen you so mad on text as you were

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Speaker 1: last night.

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Speaker 3: Really, I think there's I don't even know if it

517
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Speaker 3: made the top ten.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it made the top three of

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Speaker 4: this week.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break and we'll hit the

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Speaker 1: rest of the games. Taylor.

522
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Speaker 3: But Taylor is looking.

523
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Speaker 1: He steps up, he starts the pump, he starts.

524
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Speaker 5: To run, He is diving around, he is loading up,

525
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Speaker 5: he is firing, and it is intercepted by the Eagles,

526
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Speaker 5: and the Gables over and is intercepted by Keeley Wringo

527
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Speaker 5: and the Eagles finally a breather. Three game losing streak

528
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Speaker 5: have I had their eleventh winter of season.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it wasn't pretty, and it really has not been

530
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Speaker 1: pretty for the Eagles for the last month or so,

531
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Speaker 1: but they got what they needed on Christmas Day a win,

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Speaker 1: snapping a three game losing streak with a thirty three

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Speaker 1: to twenty five win over the Giants. Jalen Hurts had

534
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Speaker 1: a productive day one week after being ill. On that

535
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Speaker 1: big stage. He throws a touchdown pass, he also runs

536
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Speaker 1: for a score and the Eagles, despite Mark not playing

537
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Speaker 1: a championship level of football, they do enough to beat

538
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Speaker 1: the Giant and take one step closer to the NFC

539
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Speaker 1: East title, which is theirs for the taking with the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys stumbling the last two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean wasn't It wasn't pretty. It doesn't quiet

542
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Speaker 2: some of the questions, but you put up four hundred

543
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Speaker 2: and sixty five yards on offense, one hundred and seventy rushing.

544
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Speaker 2: You know, Matt Patricia. The move to Matt Patricia, I

545
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Speaker 2: mean obviously got on everyone's radar. But you went out

546
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Speaker 2: and had Tommy DeVito benched. You accomplished that. One of

547
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Speaker 2: the biggest sports stories in the NFL this season. So

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Speaker 2: I don't like, I think in general, it's like if

549
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Speaker 2: we're going to freak out over the Niners and wonder

550
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Speaker 2: where they are at this point. And I'm not saying

551
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Speaker 2: we're doing that, but like, if there's all this like

552
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Speaker 2: calamity mindset about what happened last night, This didn't change

553
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Speaker 2: what I think about the Eagles. I think they are

554
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Speaker 2: imperfect compared to what we saw down the stretch last year.

555
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Speaker 2: But this was probably a pretty good game for Jalen

556
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Speaker 2: Hurts actually, and I thought that, you know, AJ Brown

557
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Speaker 2: and Demonta Smith showed up, the running game got going,

558
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Speaker 2: like it got a little weird down the stretch with

559
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Speaker 2: the Giants coming back into this. But it for me,

560
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Speaker 2: the Eagles, it's just like, are they going to figure

561
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Speaker 2: out all the problems. They're kind of like the NFC's

562
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Speaker 2: a better version of the NFC's Chiefs, where it's like,

563
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Speaker 2: I think what they're dealing with, they're going to be

564
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Speaker 2: dealing with. It's like, do I trust them to win

565
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: a couple of playoff games?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I do.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's just like this is sort of just

568
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Speaker 3: another step on the ladder.

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Speaker 1: I don't trust them at all. And it also hurts

570
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Speaker 1: through a pick six I should put in there too,

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Speaker 1: so his turnover issues another calamitous turnover that let the

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Speaker 1: Giants wrap back in this game. I came out of

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Speaker 1: this game, yeah, feeling no different about the Philly Eagles

574
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Speaker 1: based on the three losses before.

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Speaker 4: I felt so different after reading the coverage and listening

576
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Speaker 4: to a little coverage that I did after watching it

577
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Speaker 4: on condens this morning. I did not watch this game live.

578
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't saw a movie yesterday with a friend out

579
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Speaker 4: during the well. Zone of interest very counter programming.

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Speaker 1: Who's in zone of interest?

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Speaker 4: It is about, uh, the family who like lives right

582
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Speaker 4: next to our Schwitz and like and like you never

583
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Speaker 4: see inside and it's just like the banality of them

584
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Speaker 4: like fixing their garden and all this the bureaucracy listeners.

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Speaker 1: This is my fault. Yeah, I did not know I

586
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Speaker 1: was walking into yet another Nazi conversation on this program.

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Speaker 4: But thank you, Jonathan Blazer.

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Speaker 1: A great movie.

589
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Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't say great, but it was good.

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Speaker 1: It's around every corner.

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Speaker 4: I did watch Christmas Vacation the night before, you know,

592
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Speaker 4: I like, I watched Uncondensed, and I thought, oh, this

593
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: does make me feel a little different. This was the

594
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Speaker 4: game they needed. Twenty eight first down, four hundred and

595
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Speaker 4: sixty five yards, a bunch of special plays by Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 4: He definitely ran better than he's run maybe all season.

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Speaker 4: I thought he looked spry, like they need to be

598
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Speaker 4: an elite goddter. I thought it his best game of

599
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Speaker 4: the year. Quicker decisions by Hurts, all this, even the

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Speaker 4: pick six Dan was Goddard just fell on that play.

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Speaker 4: It was just like, okay, flippy bad luck. And the

602
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Speaker 4: other touchdown there Giants got early in the second half

603
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Speaker 4: is like the return man collided into another guy on

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Speaker 4: the special turns thing and then it you know, turned

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Speaker 4: it over in the ten. So it felt a little fluky.

606
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Speaker 4: The only the only real Eagles thing that was bad

607
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Speaker 4: was giving up that big touchdown late in the game.

608
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: That was bad defense. But then I saw the coverage

609
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Speaker 4: and it's like Siriani is in an argument on the

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Speaker 4: sideline with Ausan Reddick and DeVonta Smith and aj Brown

611
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 4: are like trying to step in and are like kind

612
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Speaker 4: of arguing with him too, and then they give up

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Speaker 4: on it because like Sirianni is going crazy that like

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Speaker 4: the second the game ends, they actually pan to Sirianni

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Speaker 4: and DeVante Smith, who still seemed to be not happy

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Speaker 4: about something. They blew the two minute drive at the

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Speaker 4: end of the first half too. After the game, AJ

618
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Speaker 4: Brown did not talk to the media even though they won.

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Speaker 4: DeVante Smith literally said like, yeah, we you know, we

620
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Speaker 4: had a good game, but we're not happy. And then

621
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Speaker 4: this Jalen Hurts quote that we have also struck me of.

622
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Speaker 4: Just like, man, the vibes are just so weird with

623
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Speaker 4: this team.

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Speaker 8: With the standard that we talked about, that double air

625
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Speaker 8: sort of you know what's more important winning or the standard.

626
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Speaker 8: It's a very manipulative thing to the mind sometimes. But

627
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Speaker 8: I can go play to the standard and lose, and

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Speaker 8: I'll be sitting at home sick. I can go win

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Speaker 8: in that play to the standard, and I can be like, man,

630
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Speaker 8: we got some more in us, you know, we can

631
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Speaker 8: go chase it. So it's the fight that we bouts

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Speaker 8: as competitors.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's having fun. Nobody's having fun with the Eagles this year.

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Speaker 1: It just seems like a very different situation. And you're right,

635
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Speaker 1: Greg that there is obvious and we know it because

636
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Speaker 1: the drama on the defensive side of the ball with

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Speaker 1: the coordinator and of these other examples you're pointing out

638
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Speaker 1: that the house is not a happy one. And again,

639
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Speaker 1: everything can change by week, by the playoffs. So week

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Speaker 1: sixteen is week sixteen, and we can't form permanent judgments,

641
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: but there is a lot of building evidence that it's, yeah,

642
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: there's there's trouble in Philly, whether or not they won yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I think like one thing, like when we talked about

644
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 2: that like Collision Low Crossers book that we were slightly

645
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: obsessed with about ten years ago. It's like what it

646
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: taught you a lot about was like coordinators and why

647
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: they matter and how much time you spend with them

648
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: during the week, and how like a lot of times

649
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Speaker 2: certain players are with their position, coaches, their coordinators much

650
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: more than they would ever be around like Sirianni or

651
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Speaker 2: the head coach, and it's like you've changed the environment

652
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Speaker 2: for both sides of the ball. And like we just

653
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: about the Ravens. It's working really well in Baltimore and

654
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: there's no complaints, but I'm with you, Dan, like something

655
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: here and I don't know if it's like a coaching

656
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: thing or that, because that's two weeks in a row

657
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: where Jalen hurts. His postgame press conference is quite mystifying,

658
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: and it feels like there's coded language and something else

659
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: being said that's hard to totally unpack. But it's like

660
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: the Ravens are the Eagles a year ago were like

661
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: the high vibes, fun team coming out of nowhere, and

662
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: right now it's like the energy feels to be dragging

663
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: them down. I something strange going is going on.

664
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Speaker 1: Ray.

665
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: I saw these Brandon Graham quotes where he was kind

666
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: of like, man, we got to enjoy this and like

667
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: he almost said it, even said it to Jalen, like

668
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: we want to see you kind of having fun and

669
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: being happy. Because I think what Jalen was saying if

670
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: and it was tough to figure out, was kind of

671
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: like he he has a certain level that he wants

672
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: to play to, and he's been saying all season, like

673
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 4: I'm not playing to that level even though we're winning.

674
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: So it's like so now he's just like in a

675
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: weird mental space where like they can't even enjoy these

676
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 4: wins because there's just like some mystical level that they're

677
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: not reaching. And I don't know, there's something weird here.

678
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: And yet if you just watch their offensive tape, it

679
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 4: was their best game in a long long time. I

680
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: know it was against the Giants, but the Giants defense

681
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: been a little better when Lawrence is out there, and

682
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: he was out there, like they had a great offensive game.

683
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 4: There were a couple of moments in this game they

684
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: could have totally folded and they went on these long drives,

685
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 4: Like after that pick six, they responded with an awesome

686
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 4: kind of vintage running drive and they had a couple

687
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: of clock killing drives late. They didn't finish them, but

688
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: they were good, like they had a good offensive day.

689
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: Has has there ever been a more obvious tease to

690
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: a seth Wickersham expose coming straight for your ass. It's

691
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: either gonna be middle January, late January maybe if he

692
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: needs more time to work on it February. But we're

693
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: gonna get some of the dirt because I just get

694
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: a feeling that the Sirianni ship might leak as well

695
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: when things take a turn to postseason irrelevance, which I

696
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: just sincerely believe. This is not Philadelphia's year. But they're

697
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna win the division. So the Giant side, by the way.

698
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: I mean, they gotta win both of these games, and

699
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 4: I guess wait or no, do they they only need

700
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 4: to win one? Probably that's true.

701
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: They're in good position obviously with the Cowboys losing these

702
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: two weeks. The Giant side, I think the only real

703
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: takeaway and people shouldn't be surprised by this because he's

704
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: not really a prospect. It's just been a really nice story.

705
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: But Tommy Devido gets benched and Tyrod Taylor plays better

706
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: than him because he is better than him. And now

707
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: the only real question there, Mark is Brian Dable. Do

708
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: I ride with a younger quarterback to continue quote unquote

709
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: to develop him, or do I put the quarterback on

710
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: the field that probably gives us the best chance to win.

711
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: Giants fans are going to be probably pulling hard for

712
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: DeVito's return, both because he's a cult hero in the

713
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: Tri State area and also the worst quarterback gives you

714
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: a better draft pick at this point. But it'll be

715
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: interesting to see where the head coach and leadership there

716
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: comes down.

717
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess if I'm Brian Dabel number one,

718
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 2: I think like job totally safe. I do think he's

719
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: He's shown some stuff as a coach, Like I would

720
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: rather bring DeVito back into the fold and like have

721
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: him have a good game or two and show that,

722
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: like that development that I did with a player that

723
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: no one had ever heard of before, like shows my

724
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: ability as a coach versus we know what Tyrod Taylor

725
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: is and like winning, like trying to win with Tyrod

726
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: Taylor does literally nothing for the Giants. So I would

727
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: go back to DeVito. He's been one of the better stories.

728
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: He had a rough situation here against the Eagles, But

729
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: if you're a dable, like go show your QB whispering

730
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: skills a.

731
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 4: Rough game against the Saints too, And you know who's

732
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: rooting for DeVito to get the job too is the

733
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 4: Rams and the Eagles, who have big games again against

734
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 4: the Giants. Because I think they'll feel more comfortable. Dabele

735
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 4: did speak on Tuesday about it, saying he wouldn't reveal

736
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 4: what he's doing, which is usually a sign they're gonna

737
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 4: make a choice. It has been a different tie Rod

738
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 4: this year. For what it's worth, he leads the NFL

739
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 4: with quarterbacks with one hundred dropbacks in big time throw percentage,

740
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 4: which is very unlike Tyler Rod, who's usually very safe.

741
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 4: He's also missed a lot of throws too. But he's

742
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 4: just like taking big chances and hitting a lot of them.

743
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, Maybe it's he's just in his yolo.

744
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 4: I may never get a chance again.

745
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: Just stay away from the stargers, doctor, and you'll continue

746
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: to make these big throws.

747
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy, right like, and not to offend, you know,

748
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: members of the Knights of Columbus and so on listening

749
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: to the show. But Tomy Devido can't play, right like,

750
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: what do we We must develop or we're gonna qb whisper.

751
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: It was nice, it was a nice story.

752
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: Right, he's not ready to play right now. I think

753
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: I think he could have a career, but he's he's

754
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 4: maybe the worst starter in the league. I would agree

755
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: with you on that.

756
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: All right, let's keep moving. That's what I was looking for.

757
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy to Arrowhead where just you just can't

758
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: make sense of it. You cannot make sense of what

759
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: has happened to the Chiefs this year. Chiefs takeover on

760
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: our twenty five.

761
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 9: Kelsey out of the gun, rolls out to his right,

762
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 9: tries to find his receiver, ster scept it down the sideline, intercepted,

763
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 9: Jack Jones heading watching touchdown. Back to back plays for

764
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 9: the defense with touchdowns, and the Raiders defense has completely

765
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 9: flipped this game in Kansas City.

766
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, come on now, after the Chiefs put up

767
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: what like minus twenty yards in the first quarter, they

768
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: have back to back turnovers on offense that give the

769
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders they're only touchdowns of the game. And

770
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: Kansas City then has two quarters to get things figured

771
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: out and win a game and win a division. They

772
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: can't do it because they can't make plays on offense.

773
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: Final score Raiders twenty, Chiefs fourteen. The chief You know,

774
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: bye bye, it's not even a question anymore. No more

775
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: talking Mark about the Chiefs somehow finding a way to

776
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: get the number one seed. That ain't happening now. It's

777
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: just about holding off the Raiders and the Broncos for

778
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: the division, which they will, and they will have one

779
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: home game in the playoffs, But call the fight. This

780
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: offense has never looked more broken. You said it Greg

781
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: on Thursday, that they've actually gotten worse since the buye

782
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: and this game, Mark there is watch this tape. Everybody

783
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: who hasn't seen this game. No one's open. And now

784
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: Mahomes is in a position where he's clearly clearly pressing,

785
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: and he's making mistakes too. The whole thing is broken

786
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: and they won't be able to fix it until after

787
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: this depressing, frustrating season's over.

788
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was, you know, arguably the worst

789
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: game of Patrick Mahomes's career. And a lot of credit

790
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: to the Raiders too. It's not just the Chiefs thing.

791
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: They have allowed the least points per game since Antonio

792
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: Pierce took over as coach, and so there's something really

793
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: happening with the Raiders. But you know, we just talked

794
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 2: about Siriani tangling with a player like that, Travis Kelcey

795
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: Andy Reid entanglement at the end of that or during

796
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 2: that game stood out as I mean, you just haven't

797
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: seen with Kansas City. It's been nothing but feel good

798
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: vibrations the entire time, and their offense is like, well,

799
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 2: I think there are these teams that we just assume

800
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: will suddenly transform and fix everything and become like the

801
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: superpower we once knew. It's like, it's not gonna happen

802
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs. I just don't think so. And it's like,

803
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: if you told me in this game like that Aid

804
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: and O'Connell would not complete a pass after the first quarter,

805
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: that for the next three quarters, Aid and O'Connell would

806
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: not complete a pass, I would say this is gonna

807
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: be a Kansas City romp, just by the sheer statistical

808
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: unusual nature of that. The last team to win a

809
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: game where they had not completed a pass after the

810
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: first quarter you have to go back to two.

811
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 3: Thousand, the Bengals twenty three years ago.

812
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: And so like the Raiders weren't like on the other

813
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: side of the ball torching the Chiefs defense.

814
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: It's just that Kansas City could not unhook.

815
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: And I feel like this is a team at this

816
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 2: point now where I'm like, when they get picked off

817
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and they will, I will not be

818
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: surprised at all.

819
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: And I don't think either of you will be surprised.

820
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 4: No, and Raiders fans will get to giving you some

821
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 4: love because that was a fun, fun game. If you're

822
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: a Raiders going to Arrowhead on a big stage, getting

823
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 4: that win and staying alive. They got to they actually

824
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 4: have a legit chance to make the playoffs here, but

825
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 4: we got to stay with the Chiefs. They had negative

826
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: yards through four drives, negative yards the Chiefs. They had

827
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: the lowest amount of yards in the first quarter. I

828
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: think of any team, what was it in the last

829
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 4: nineteen years, it's something like this, totally totally insane. Then

830
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 4: they finally get a touchdown drive and that precedes the

831
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: two defensive touchdowns in seven seconds. I mean one is

832
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 4: where they're getting too cute because they can't just like

833
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 4: run a normal running play successfully. They're like new problems

834
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 4: are popping up, which is to me what's worrisome. They

835
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: are getting worse. Uh Rashid. Rice was at the center

836
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 4: of a lot of the miscommunications. Probably four I was

837
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 4: living and dying by because I was watching for my kids.

838
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 4: Fantasy team was Rice on it. Walker's got Rice. I'm

839
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 4: hoping for a big day And there was probably about

840
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: five different plays where him and Mahomes were not on

841
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 4: the same page, including a big fourth down. You had

842
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: Mahomes yelling at the offensive line, and that's what really

843
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 4: stuck out to me in this game was they could

844
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 4: not run the ball. Their success rate on early downs

845
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: was disastrous running before Pacheco got a concussion, and the

846
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 4: offensive line was getting absolutely housed in pass protection. Malcolm

847
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 4: Koons and Crosby. They've really kind of remade their defense

848
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: because Coon's has gone nuts the last three or four weeks,

849
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 4: and like, well, you got new problems popping up. Like

850
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: this offense has gone from like, wow, they're kind of

851
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: mediocre to like they're they're bad. I'm with you, Mark.

852
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: That probably was the worst Mahomes game I've ever seen.

853
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: He could have had four or five interceptions.

854
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: And now Isaiah Pacheco, he's in the concussion protocol on

855
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: a really I mean brutal luck whereas helmet pops off

856
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: and then he gets kicked in the head. Their guard

857
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: Tray Smith hurt his leg in the fourth quarter. They

858
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: have Cincinnati on Sunday, and Cincinnati is a team that's

859
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: obviously pretty hot and cold. It's themselves right now, but

860
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. It's crazy to watch it. And I

861
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: know the prevailing sentiment now is Antonio Pierce deserves to

862
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: be the head coach of the Raiders. Okay, I mean

863
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: I would say I would push back a little bit

864
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: in that they're obviously playing hard for him. They've caught

865
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: in a couple of teams flat footed and delivered really

866
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: spirited efforts. But they also got b three nothing at

867
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: home once they didn't have a completion after the first

868
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: quarter in this game. I wouldn't if I'm Mark Davis,

869
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: I would. I would take a look at the whole

870
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: picture and what are you trying to build there before

871
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: getting sucked in by a really fun December. But I'll

872
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: leave it at that because I don't want to be

873
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: the grinch with Antonio Pierce and the Raiders, because it

874
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: has really been from where they were with Josh McDaniels

875
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: got fired to having any conversation about the playoffs now

876
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: is really commendable.

877
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 4: I'll push back on that. I like the idea of

878
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: them keeping him right now.

879
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: Just that's the general sentiment energy.

880
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm a little torn because I'm with you,

881
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 4: Like offensively, they've had some good play calls, but you

882
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: know that hasn't changed. But he is a defensive coach,

883
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: and the difference there is something more about being a

884
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 4: head coach and getting your players to play for you.

885
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 4: And they look like a completely different team. Like I

886
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 4: know they've caught teams that are the right time or whatever,

887
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 4: but they're the team that got stalely fired. No one

888
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 4: else did that to them. They're the team that did

889
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: this to Mahomes. No one else did that to them.

890
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: And I think Mark Davis will be informed by what

891
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 4: happened with Basacia, who he's voice some regret about the

892
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: way he handled that. The next two games are big,

893
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 4: They're at Indy and then home for Broncos if they want,

894
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: if they win those two games, which would be tough.

895
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 4: They still got to win these two games with O'Connell.

896
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: But if they won the those two games, there's actually

897
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 4: a sixty something percent chance they make the playoffs. According

898
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 4: to the New York Times. That's krat which is just crazy.

899
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: And Greg like I like, I think that it comes

900
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 2: down to, like these hirings are obviously like owner's choice.

901
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: And to hear what Mark Davis said about not hiring Basaci,

902
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: which he like really regrets.

903
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: He verbally regretted.

904
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: I think that informs this. I think he's going to

905
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: get the job. And and Dan, you're right, like it's

906
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: the sample size is small. But then like you go

907
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: hire someone else with no sample size as a head

908
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: coach too.

909
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: It's like I would say the same.

910
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: These same Raiders players were uninspired and underperforming under Josh McDaniels,

911
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: and that had a lot to do, I think with

912
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: personality and coaching staff, and like they're all so much

913
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 2: better now. It's and they want to play for him,

914
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: like you got you at least you know you have that.

915
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: He's just so raidary. That's to me, what does it is?

916
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: All that stuff is what I'm like, okay, because I

917
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: mean I know that too, Like I don't know, like

918
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: he he put it this way. He also replaced the

919
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: right guy. I think he. I think McDaniels is in

920
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: that club occupied by only a few. Adam Gase was

921
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: waiting for him smoking a cigarette when he arrived at

922
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: the door of truly overmatched, disliked failures at head coach.

923
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: And it makes everything look even better in case anybody

924
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: doesn't know, because it is a blip in the NFL radar,

925
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: but Rich Bassacia was on John Gruden's coaching staff in

926
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one when Gruden gets himself fired for being

927
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: a dumbass, and then Bassacia takes that team to the

928
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: playoffs with a ten and seven season. That's their only

929
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: trip to the playoffs in the last seven years. So yeah,

930
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: there was the Basachia bump and now the Pierce pop

931
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens to the rest of the way.

932
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: I mean, he's taken like cast offs. This defense is

933
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 4: not that talented other than Crosberry, like Jack Jones was.

934
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 4: You know, he's talented, but he got cut by the

935
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: Patriots earlier this year. He's taken a bunch of castoffs

936
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 4: and had like the top three defense since he took over,

937
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 4: which is, you know, what more can you do?

938
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: Sure? Absolutely commendable, do it. We have my home sound,

939
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: but I think we kind of know. He still believes,

940
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: but you know he knows, he knows, And don't you

941
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: dare anybody out there, don't blame this on Taylor Swift.

942
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it and not her fault.

943
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: Maybe your boyfriend got a little older too, But this

944
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: is not about Taylor. This is about Brett Veach and

945
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: Andy Reid having to come to Jesus moment because I

946
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: know it's the personnel's bad, but maybe this is a

947
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: wake up call that maybe it's time the scheme needs

948
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: to You know, it's been an incredible run by the Chiefs,

949
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: but this is a whole different thing. Let's close out

950
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: with the Christmas Eve game at Mile High, another one

951
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: that was hard to figure out. Ryland Wakes leaning forward

952
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: in the stairs, the snap, the spot, the kit clears

953
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: the line sadly to the uprights. It's killing. There's God,

954
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: the kid did it.

955
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: With two seconds to go, Hyler, just give it.

956
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 9: The Patriots put twenty six, twenty three lead here in Denver.

957
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: He's moved by his teammates on the far side, and

958
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: how good must that feel? I couldn't tell the howling

959
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: and pain in the crowd was that Broncos fans or

960
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: Patriots fans. The Pats entered Christmas Eve with the number

961
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: two overall pick in the draft lined up but behind

962
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: Chad Ryland, the fourth round pick who's had his struggle

963
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: as a kicker. He hits a fifty six yard field

964
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: goal seconds two seconds to play, and the Patriots another

965
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: team that scored two touchdowns in less than seven seconds

966
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: over this holiday round of games. They jump way ahead,

967
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: hold off a Broncos rally, and win twenty six to

968
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: twenty three. Mark that Ryland kick cap to seven play

969
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: forty four yard drive that began with fifty eight seconds

970
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: left after Denver goes three and out with their chance

971
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: to win the game. The Broncos all but done in

972
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: the AFC playoff race and they have no one to

973
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: blame but themselves. You got to win at home against

974
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: the Patriots on Christmas Eve night.

975
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like New England scores twenty of their

976
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: twenty six points in the third quarter. I mean it

977
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: start the game starts. It was handed to Denver to

978
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 2: get a big start. Like Zappy fumbles the ball deep

979
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: in his own territory right on like the first play,

980
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: and Denver is sitting there with a touchdown, like you know,

981
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: a gift touchdown, looking them in the face and they

982
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: don't score. And like they have multiple drives out of

983
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 2: the gate where like they could not get anything going

984
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: on offense. I think their first three drives started in

985
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: New England territory for zero points. So a lot of

986
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: it is just comes back to the fact that the

987
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 2: Broncos have been a good story in general. Like Sean Payton,

988
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: after a disastrous start, you thought, well, maybe this is

989
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: a fringe playoff team, and you go out and you

990
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: need to handle your business against a very you know,

991
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: the equivalent of a sitting duck in the New England Patriots.

992
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: They've been a good defense Courtland Sutton going out to

993
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: not help Denver at all, But like, this is a

994
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: this is the end of the Broncos season, and I

995
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: find them to be visually I was watching this game,

996
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 2: you know, you know, without taking notes to sort of

997
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: trying to observe it, Like I don't need this team

998
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. They are visually dull to me, and

999
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: I need the Bronzes to go figure out something else

1000
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: over the course of this offseason.

1001
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: I think it's the end of Russell Wilson. I really do.

1002
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: I believe that Russell Wilson's journey with Denver has come

1003
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: to a close.

1004
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 3: After the season.

1005
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: I tend to agree because of games like this, which

1006
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 4: kind of was the whole thing. I thought it was

1007
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 4: one of his worst games, maybe his worst of the

1008
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 4: season until the fourth quarter. At that point they had

1009
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 4: already had eleven drives, which is a whole game for

1010
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: most teams, and they had like one hundred and sixty

1011
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: yards at that point. There was actually a stretch. I

1012
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: think they had five drives in a row that had

1013
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 4: a total of negative fifteen yards, and so they just

1014
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 4: like couldn't get anything done. He was just scrambling for

1015
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: no reason, like running around doing crazy stuff, and none

1016
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 4: of it was working. Then the fourth quarter starts and

1017
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 4: suddenly he turns into you know, Pete Russell Wilson. They

1018
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 4: put up sixteen points. They do the Super Bowl come

1019
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 4: back for the Patriots where they hit both two point conversions.

1020
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 4: Not only that, they get a three and out from

1021
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 4: the Patriots with like two and a half minutes to go,

1022
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 4: and they get the ball back with plenty of time,

1023
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 4: only needing three in the ball game. You're thinking, Wow,

1024
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 4: this is really gonna happen. And then they blow it.

1025
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 4: They go three and out, punt it right back and

1026
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 4: Peyton I don't kill him for wanting to get the

1027
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: ball back the way the Patriots offense was playing at

1028
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 4: the point, but he's using his timeouts to try to

1029
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: get the ball back and he didn't know that a

1030
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 4: magical man named Bailey ZAPPI was gonna hit his fifth

1031
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 4: twenty plus yard play of the game, get an eighty

1032
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 4: nine PFF grade, the highest for a Patriots to go

1033
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 4: back in like three years, and hit Devonte Parker over

1034
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 4: one of the best quarterbacks in the league for the

1035
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: second time, Patrick Sartan one on one. I mean, it

1036
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 4: is ridiculous things happening. And then Rylan hits the kick.

1037
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 4: It was totally proper Fostro's game. And I have to

1038
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: admit I did as a Patriots fan enjoy ending We're

1039
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 4: all but ending the Sun Peyton and Russell Wilsons.

1040
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that doesn't suck, and I it is easy

1041
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: to get sucked into draft pick mania and all that stuff.

1042
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: And you know, the same thing happening with my team

1043
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: against the Commanders on Sunday, where you know they probably

1044
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: should miss this field goal. It's probably better for in

1045
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: the long term interest of the franchise, but you know what,

1046
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: there is something to be said, especially with my team

1047
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: that's had a history of losing and young players that

1048
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: you do not want to get infected with the funk

1049
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: of failure. You see Bailly Zappy celebrating on that sideline

1050
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: after the kick you see, and with my team guys

1051
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: like Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, getting to enjoy a moment

1052
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: like that's important too, like to win football games and

1053
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: to not get kind of lost in the be a

1054
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: casualty of war that you've lost, so you know, And

1055
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: for the Patriots fans that are like kind of like

1056
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: my dad, who don't care about anything but about draft

1057
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 1: standing or this or that. Just I like to see

1058
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: my team win. Well, you got a nice win on

1059
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve. And speaking of the New York Jets, they

1060
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: are let's spin two week seventeen. They are on the

1061
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: road against the Cleveland Browns Thursday night football. Mark, you

1062
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: are no doubt educated on this. The Niners did not

1063
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: wait a second, Mark, Greg, wait a second? What's up?

1064
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: Angry cess dog? Christmas Night? The Ravens get beat. There

1065
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: is a pathway to the AFC North title for the Browns. Now,

1066
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: it's not really there. That's why you were so mad?

1067
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: Yes or no?

1068
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: Well, like it's sort of like I said before, like

1069
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 2: because I have pet teams just like you know everyone else,

1070
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: and like the Niners are one of my pet teams,

1071
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: and like I.

1072
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: Kind of just I'll talk about the Niners.

1073
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: Not well, no, I mean it's it wasn't a Cleveland

1074
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: winning the division thing, because I I I would say, like,

1075
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: I like teams to be tiered where they belong, and like, like,

1076
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: if Cleveland were to win that division, they very likely

1077
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: are the number one seed in the AFC. And let's

1078
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 2: be realistic, like, I think they've been a fun team

1079
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: and we'll see where they land. But like the idea

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00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: that the number one seed wouldn't I don't think would

1081
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: be a great thing for football in general.

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00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 3: I'm being really.

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00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 4: An insane answer.

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00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, not an.

1085
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: Insane answer, because they're a very incomplete team that's overachieving

1086
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. I mean, based on the

1087
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: injuries they've had, they're missing a lot of starters.

1088
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: So like the number one seed, it would be the

1089
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: most amazing thing that has ever happened in the history

1090
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: of pro football. Come on, now, that'd be fun. Nobody

1091
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: would be upset about that it's not gonna happen.

1092
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: But come on, it's it's not gonna happen.

1093
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: But like I I kind of just I think I'm

1094
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: I like the storyline that they're actually living in, that

1095
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: they're inhabiting, which is a strange, injury riddled, over achieving

1096
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: team with a Coach of the Year candidate and an

1097
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: amazing story in Joe Flacco. Who you know the Jets?

1098
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: If anything, the Jets defenders know Joe Flacco as well

1099
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: as any group of players in the league. And I

1100
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: think that presents an interesting challenge if the Jets show

1101
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 2: up to this game and they still care about their season,

1102
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: and I believe the defense does, Like I think that

1103
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: this uh, you know, one thing that happened to the

1104
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: Jets that I think makes a difference is for Woody

1105
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: Johnson to come out, whether you like it or not,

1106
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: Damn for Woody Johnson to come out and say the

1107
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: coaches are safe, everyone's staying, the GM's staying, like the

1108
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: ship is not going to be blown up from the

1109
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: inside out, Like you're gonna get players, so like we're

1110
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: gonna play hard because we're still being looked at by

1111
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: the same people. Our careers aren't gonna be in flux

1112
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: the way they we thought they might. And like you

1113
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: have practiced against Joe Flacco seasons in a row, I

1114
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: think that matters, and I think it's like a huge

1115
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: chance for Cleveland to not basically drop a bomb on

1116
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: themselves because it's like, you you win this game and

1117
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: you're just in the playoffs. They probably are already, but

1118
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 2: if you go and do it on Thursday night at

1119
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: home in a celebratory way, it puts a cherry on

1120
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: top of a very unusual, strange, the strangest Brown season

1121
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 2: that I can recall since like nineteen eighty eight, when

1122
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: like a forty something year old Don Strouck came in

1123
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: and like beat the Oilers in the final week of

1124
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: the season in a snowstorm to send the Browns into

1125
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: the playoffs.

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00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 3: Like it's that level of weird, and.

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00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: It's become enjoyable because, like, Joe Flacco is someone I

1128
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 2: never enjoyed in my life, and now I'm like, Joe

1129
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: Flacco is one of the most enjoyable football players the

1130
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 2: Browns have ever had because of what's occurred.

1131
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 4: I think it's a good test though forget even knowing

1132
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco, but just their offensive line, which you know,

1133
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 4: is certainly better against Houston than it was the week before,

1134
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 4: really injured. They're overcoming a lot having to go against

1135
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 4: this Jets defense. Like that's a real deal test. Now

1136
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 4: you can feel confident. I believe that you are not

1137
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 4: going to need that many points to win this game.

1138
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 4: If you're the Browns, you'd like to get a ground

1139
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 4: game going. They're winning without any running game. But people

1140
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: have who have just been watching the highlights. I guess

1141
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 4: that does show it for Flacco, but I just can't

1142
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 4: believe how well he's playing. Like I like, maybe it's

1143
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say it's fluky because I don't know

1144
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 4: that it's going to continue, but the level that he's

1145
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 4: at just seems out is outrageous, Like he is playing

1146
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 4: like like Stafford or something like. It's just it's just

1147
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 4: insane how well he's playing. Like he's playing way better

1148
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 4: than he played at the end of his Ravens career.

1149
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 4: It should almost go without saying. I mean, he is

1150
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 4: giving them a legit chance because you have an elite defense.

1151
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 4: You have the number eight team in DVOA overall because

1152
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 4: of that defense, largely an elite defense. In a quarterback,

1153
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: it's like you can make some noise.

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00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: The most recent Jets game will it's hard to decipher

1155
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: if you're looking to get any type of glean, any

1156
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: type of preview of how this game will turn out

1157
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: because for two quarters the Jets defense played at a

1158
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 1: level that would you know, bury Joe Flacco and many

1159
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks, and then in the second half they let

1160
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: Jake Brisket go up and down the field on them.

1161
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: So while the Jets defense is on a ballance a

1162
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: very good year, they're not unstoppable. They're not They're not

1163
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: gonna go to Cleveland and dominate. And I think a

1164
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: big part of that is something that has nothing to

1165
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: do with them, which is the offense is so bad.

1166
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: And Zach Wilson, who, by the way, we didn't really

1167
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: talk about it, but all that controversy around Wilson about

1168
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: you know, when it leaked out of the locker room

1169
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: that he wasn't sure he even wanted to play because

1170
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: he was worried about getting injured in an uncertain future.

1171
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: Well what happened. He had that one good game and

1172
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: then the offensive line no shows on him two weeks

1173
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: ago and gets his head bashed in and he's been

1174
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: in concussion protocol since, so I actually I don't know

1175
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: if he's in the protocol, but he's still in it.

1176
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: So that's a sign that you're gonna get Trevor Siemion

1177
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: again who's terrible. So what that tells me Mark is

1178
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: that Cleveland's defense is going to put the clamps on

1179
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: the Jets running game priests. Hall is a really good

1180
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: player who's had a great year considering the circumstance. But

1181
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be a lot of room for him,

1182
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: I think. And what's gonna happen is that Brown's defense

1183
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: is going to put Flacco in a lot of positive

1184
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: game scripts. And I feel very good about this. In fact,

1185
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: what the hell? Why not I'm gonna lock up the

1186
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns on Thursday Night Football because I think it

1187
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 1: just sets up very well. Is it in the zone?

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00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 6: Wait?

1189
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 4: Think so?

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00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:21,959
Speaker 1: Is it not in the zone?

1191
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 4: I'd have to check that. I think it's like seven

1192
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 4: and a half or something. Let me check. You could

1193
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 4: love it's like, I absolutely love this it is.

1194
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: We could let Dan do that though.

1195
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: It's out of the zone. Why would know we go?

1196
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 4: You gotta have a you gotta have a code.

1197
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 3: Overtake you for the brown number one position? No, like,

1198
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 3: let him lock up the Browns?

1199
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: Why like? Why?

1200
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 6: Like?

1201
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: Let let him have a Christmas gift?

1202
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: It opened at six and a half. What are you

1203
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: talking about?

1204
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 4: It is at seven. It is at seven, just saying

1205
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 4: you got you gotta played by rules, you know, play

1206
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 4: by rules.

1207
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: Well that's fine. I mean, I Dan, I'm with you.

1208
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: I think like you go see another pleasure movie.

1209
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: Greg, Yeah, yeah, Greg?

1210
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 4: Mean we look up against your team. I mean, look,

1211
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 4: if if this was lockable, I think we would all

1212
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 4: lock this way or not that's fair.

1213
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: I mean it's like you just lean on, like what's

1214
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: the best position group on Thursday night? And it's like

1215
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: Cleveland Stefens. Couldn't you see like Miles Garrett having like

1216
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: a strip sack and then like you know they are

1217
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: a little banged up, but like I mean, I could

1218
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: just see them causing total chaos for Trevor Simeon and hopefully,

1219
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, they don't blow it. Like if if you're

1220
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: a Browns fan, you finally maybe not just assuming everything

1221
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: will go negatively. Like it's like it's a little different

1222
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: right now, and that's a very weird feeling.

1223
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 4: It probably won't be like a great game, but it

1224
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 4: is kind of a nice moment and opportunity for a

1225
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 4: party here for the Browns. The way this lined up

1226
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 4: the last TNF game, who knows, maybe the last Almichael's

1227
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 4: Herb Street game period. You never know, I think, Yeah,

1228
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 4: I mean he's Undercoon the contract. I'm just saying, like

1229
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 4: hearing Herb Street on College makes me it's like, what

1230
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 4: are we doing here? So not into it. They just

1231
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 4: that they could clinch a playoff spot with Joe Flacco

1232
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 4: in an Island game. That that's kind of fun. That

1233
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 4: is fun.

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00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: Indeed, what a what a great time? All right, anything else, We'll.

1235
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 4: Be back on Thursday. Weird weird schedule.

1236
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: Week rightday week.

1237
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 4: Oh, I'll be with Nick Westling on this game. We're

1238
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 4: finishing that freecaps in style too. This will be a

1239
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 4: nice one.

1240
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: Nick Westling on the mic for t n F recap

1241
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: with Gregy, So make sure you check that out. And yeah,

1242
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: because of the holiday and the wonkiness of everything, we

1243
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: will be off tomorrow Wednesday, and back Thursday with yet

1244
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: another preview of Games Week seventeen. All right, that was

1245
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast. Thank you everybody for listening,

1246
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 1: and do what you know that you need to do

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00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: that Cop