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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this edition of fish Ology. For

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Speaker 1: those of you who maybe knew he or In Fishology,

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Speaker 1: we go in depth on the Marlins in advance that

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Speaker 1: we look into deep dive into analytical status that maybe

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Speaker 1: fly under the radar for most fans. And of course,

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Speaker 1: joining me, we have Eli Sussman and our chief phishologist,

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Speaker 1: Lewis Audio Weisse. Guys, how are you feeling for this episode?

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Speaker 1: Looking at the Marlins players post All Star Break comparing

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Speaker 1: it to the first half of the year.

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Speaker 2: I'm really optimistic that this could be our best show yet,

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Speaker 2: not just for content reasons, but Lewis is dealing with

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Speaker 2: a bit of a sore throat, so that's going to

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Speaker 2: be his biological warning when he drowning on a little

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Speaker 2: bit too to keep him in check, I guess, and

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Speaker 2: a serious I hope you're doing well, Lois small seriousness.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is gonna try. I'm gonna try to have

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Speaker 3: my Jordan flu game tonight, so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Well, we could start off with the Marlins version

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Speaker 1: of Michael Jordan, at least for the second half, and

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Speaker 1: that is mister Sandiel. When you look at his first half,

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Speaker 1: the second half, it is just a tale of just

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Speaker 1: two different players, two different just just ways that he

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Speaker 1: is performing. You look at the first half and one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen innings a four to seven to two

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Speaker 1: strikeouts per nine was seven. And then you look at

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Speaker 1: his second half of the year, dropping all the way

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Speaker 1: down to to seven e R in fifty innings, his

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Speaker 1: strikeouts per nine all the way up to eight and

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Speaker 1: Just a completely different player than he was in the

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Speaker 1: first half. He's playing like the Syng Award winner last season.

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Speaker 1: This is what the Marlins have hoped for for Sandy

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Speaker 1: for the entire season, and now they're finally getting it

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Speaker 1: in the second half. Eli, Just what are the Marlins

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Speaker 1: getting now.

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Speaker 3: With Sandy in the second half? Just how well is

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Speaker 3: he performing now?

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Speaker 2: This is closer to the version of himself that we expected.

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Speaker 2: What I want to start off with is something that

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Speaker 2: Lewis spought up to me a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 2: which I think is a fair way to look at this,

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Speaker 2: where I don't it's not necessarily black and white that

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden he's fixed, or that necessarily he

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Speaker 2: was terrible in the first half. What we've seen is

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Speaker 2: that when you look at the fielder independent pitching and

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Speaker 2: there's a surprising similarities between the first half and the

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Speaker 2: second half and the first season. Overall, he is a

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Speaker 2: fIF of what three point nine to six, which is

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Speaker 2: slightly better than league average. But if you look at

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Speaker 2: what he's done in these games since the break, it's

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Speaker 2: now seven starts as we're recording this entering Wednesday, the

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Speaker 2: fifth has actually gone up to four point two one,

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Speaker 2: So he's done that despite allowing mainly because he's allowing

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Speaker 2: more homers. There were things he was already doing well

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Speaker 2: The main thing was his control was probably as good

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Speaker 2: as we've seen it. Really. He's been limiting walks at

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Speaker 2: an amazing rate dating back to June, so that's been

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Speaker 2: a part of him even through some you know, poor

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Speaker 2: of what he's doing since then, most notably having a

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Speaker 2: couple of games in here where he didn't walk any

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Speaker 2: batters at all. So with him, it still doesn't feel

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Speaker 2: to me one hundred percent like last year in the

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Speaker 2: Cy Young winning campaign, the main thing being that the

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Speaker 2: change up is still not an amazing putaway pitch that

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Speaker 2: he's made some interesting adjustments, not fully returning to form,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lewis also with Sandy, I was mentioning his strikeouts

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Speaker 1: do you see Sandy the way he's pitching in the

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Speaker 3: Is he looking to get.

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Speaker 1: More withs more guys to strike out compared to maybe

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Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, then the metrics may illustrate that

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Speaker 3: he's pitching differently, but I still think his mo is

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Speaker 3: kind of just like, let's work deep into games. And

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Speaker 3: I think if you look since July fourteenth, which is

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Speaker 3: second half or post All Star breaks schedule of games

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Speaker 3: did this search to them fangrabs, and I made like

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Speaker 3: a little spreadsheet and I saw So there's been one

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty nine pitchers since July fourteenth, that's the

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Speaker 3: first day of games in the second half of the

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Speaker 3: season after the All Star break, to have thrown at

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Speaker 3: least twenty innings. Al Contra and Luis Castillo, the Mariners,

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Speaker 3: Al Contra ish, it's like a little bit more than

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Speaker 3: of that. But he's I don't necessarily, I mean, the

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Speaker 3: But I mean, he's he's kind of you know, he's

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Speaker 3: continuing to get brown balls at the rate that he does,

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Speaker 3: he's become a little bit more susceptible, as Eli alluded

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Speaker 3: more than in August. So far this month where you know,

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Speaker 3: two of the six games he's had in his career

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Speaker 3: and he just had to start recently where he did that.

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Speaker 3: A lot of that is just because you know, like

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Speaker 3: and he by fit he is among the luckier pictures

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Speaker 3: and a lot of that is just because most of

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Speaker 3: his fly balls are turning it to home runs. I mean,

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Speaker 3: his home run to fly ball rate is twenty two.

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Speaker 3: If that's not the highest in the majors during the span,

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Speaker 3: it's pretty much up there. But yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if he's necessarily altered anything in his pitch mix.

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Speaker 3: maybe it's just you know, he's you know, the home

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Speaker 3: you that link. It's just the results don't look the same.

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Speaker 3: And the way I kind of see it too, is

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Speaker 3: a you know, a sub two at parts last year,

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Speaker 3: more of you know, he's not striking guys out more,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I think that this will normalize,

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Speaker 3: but to be fair, yeah, he's just giving up a

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Speaker 3: little bit more home runs. This isn't something that we

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Speaker 3: normally see with him, So I don't know. It's an

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Speaker 3: interesting stretch. It's like a mixed bag of success, although

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Speaker 3: it's still his standard bulk success.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, overall, I'll be encouraged when he's getting ground balls

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Speaker 2: at about sixty percent rate recently. That's going to allow

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Speaker 2: you to overperform your fit it's when most of the

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Speaker 2: is that's a pretty big key to me. Yeah, with him.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he's still working deep into games. He's on

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Speaker 2: track to potentially lead the majors in innings pitch or

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Speaker 2: things considered, it's he's still he's not last year's version

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you, Lewis, and you

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Speaker 1: mentioned really quickly his home runs. Does that worry you

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Speaker 1: a little more to the towads that we get to

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Speaker 1: the ending of the year, because in the first half

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Speaker 1: he had eleven home runs and now he's given up

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Speaker 1: the nine home runs and how about half the innings

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Speaker 1: and about half those games played. Does not worry you

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Speaker 1: at all for Sandy going into the rest of this season.

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Speaker 1: He's giving up the nine so far since the second half.

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Speaker 1: The pritz at just eleven in that first half of

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Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't necessarily have a track record of it.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, if the league continues to figure

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So finishing off there with Sandy, eli with Sandy

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go transition from Sandy, someone who's had just

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Speaker 1: Just a completely different picture than what the Marlins have

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's getting absolutely clobbered. There's no dancing around that.

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Speaker 3: Like it's I don't know, it could be the innings

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Speaker 3: Sandy's just giving you more lengths. So he sustained quote

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Speaker 2: third time through you or staying in the game long enough.

434
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: He's getting shelled immediately in several of these outings, which

435
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 2: is uncharacteristic of him. So that speaks to me about

436
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: a guy who's not his delivery, is not deceiving guys

437
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: the same way that it was early in the year.

438
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: But you could also give some credit just to the

439
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: opponents being prepared for what they're going to see and

440
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 2: some of the patterns potentially that he's falling into. I mean,

441
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: Astros trash can or not. You know, they have this

442
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: well earned reputation of just being a very prepared team.

443
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: It's recording this right now. They had another big first ending,

444
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 2: putting up several runs on an opposing team. They don't

445
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: need to see you multiple times to get a feel

446
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: for you. They're just traditionally a very prepared team coming

447
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 2: into it, and that can be immensely frustrating for a

448
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: picture when you feel like you're executing your pitches and

449
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 2: still having trouble with it. What we've seen one was

450
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker, the other left handed better I saw it,

451
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: and during the first half of the season was Altill

452
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: only allowed one homer to a lefty the entire first half.

453
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: He's already allowed a couple of those in the second half.

454
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: So Corey Seeger was the other one. So Seeger and

455
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker, like those are just amazing players though, So

456
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of things going on here,

457
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 2: including just the quality of the competition that he's facing

458
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: in this sample, and it's a tough spot for the

459
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 2: team to be in where they really can't afford to

460
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: give him a breather and take him out of the rotation,

461
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: especially when the velocity is pretty close to what you'd

462
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: normally expect from him. It's still in the high nineties

463
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: most of the time with his bastball, so there's not

464
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: like the glaring sign of wearing down that you sometimes

465
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: see with the guys that are not used to pitching

466
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: this deep into the season. Yeah, it's a frustrating one,

467
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,479
Speaker 2: and the team just doesn't really he had much more

468
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: choice than to just keep running him out there and

469
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: hope that he makes adjustments.

470
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: One thing I will say too is I don't know

471
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 3: if this is just me reading Baseball Savan's pitch types

472
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 3: and like the results on those, but do you think

473
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: it's time that he just kind of does away with

474
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 3: that sinker because for the most part, he really hasn't

475
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: had a lot of prolonged success with that pitch, and

476
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 3: he's I mean, I know he started throwing a cutter

477
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: this season, and the sample is so small against it.

478
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 3: It's about only like eleven plate appearances depending on the pitch,

479
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: but he hasn't a lot of hit on it. And

480
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: then I look at the sinker and hitters are batting

481
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 3: almost three sixty on it, and the expected sets are

482
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: not all that much better. But like, if you look

483
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: at that pitch, it's consistently kind of been like a

484
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: sub par offering from him, And you know, I don't

485
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: know if maybe like eliminating that hurts him, but he also,

486
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: like I like his changeup a lot, and he doesn't

487
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: throw it enough. I like the slider. I've you know,

488
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 3: a lot of the times when he's gotten hit two,

489
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: that slider has hung in the zone and it's not

490
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 3: And for a guy who throws ninety six to ninety eight,

491
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: it's a pretty slow slider. I mean, you want variants

492
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: in pitch v lows, but it's you know, eighty three

493
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: to eighty five. It doesn't really have it. It's got

494
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 3: a lot of sharp bite at the end, but it's

495
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: not thrown hard enough to where you're not gonna run

496
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: into a lot of hard contact on it. But the

497
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: sinker is just like that pitch to me is like

498
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 3: like wow, Like, I mean it was better last year,

499
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: but this year it's like hitter, I mean, hitters are

500
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: feasting on that pitch. They have Luisa Rise's batting averagering

501
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 3: three fifty eight on that pitch against him. So like,

502
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if maybe that's like something that maybe

503
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: the the ops team will look at this offseason and

504
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 3: be like, all right, like his track record suggests that

505
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: this pitch may just kind of like have worn out.

506
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: It's welcome because it just doesn't look like it's an

507
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: effective offering that at this point, I.

508
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: Don't think he even used it in his last adding

509
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: from what I can see, so that's not I do

510
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: agree that that seems to be like a weak link

511
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: in it. And yet even when he kind of makes

512
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: that adjustment, even when he's now toying around with this

513
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: cutter potentially as being a part of his mix, like,

514
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: it's still not.

515
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: It didn't make a.

516
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: Difference ultimately in his most recent flop that he had,

517
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: So it is. Yeah, it is like there's a really

518
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: complicated issue that he's having right now, and he's trying

519
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: to make adjustments, and the Marlins have tried to make

520
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: him as comfortable as possible by pairing him exclusively with

521
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: Nick Vortez. He's always thrown to the same guy, the

522
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: one who had a lot of success with him of

523
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: course in the first half of the season, and from

524
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: us last year as well, So there's nothing really new

525
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: when it comes to that either. But other than that,

526
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: I mean, the next couple of matchups, what he's about

527
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: to face the Padres as we're recording this, and then

528
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: the next matchup after that would be well against the

529
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: Dot against whoever they play.

530
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: I don't know the rains, yes, the rules, yeah, I

531
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: don't know.

532
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to speculate too much on that with him,

533
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: but I mean, either way, as long as he just

534
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: stays available the rest of the year, this has been

535
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: an important stepping stone for him to at least be

536
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: able to make these starts every scheduled start. He's the

537
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: only guy in this rotation that has made every single

538
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: scheduled start, even Sandy got scratched one time, Braxton didn't

539
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: start the year in the rotation. For Lozardo to at

540
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: least stay in his normal routine throughout the entire year,

541
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: for a guy that had this well earned reputation for

542
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: not being durable, I mean, that's been the silver lining

543
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: to it.

544
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wanted to ask you, Lewis, as we're

545
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: finishing up on Luzarn, I'm looking up some of his

546
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: stats on Fangrafts, really looking up the second half. There

547
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: were only like two numbers that really stand out to

548
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: me in terms of just how he's been performing this

549
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: second half. You could go his walks per nine, going

550
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: from two point two to two in the.

551
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: First half to almost doubling to four.

552
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: Zero point five, just showing how many walks he's been

553
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: giving up for nine innings, and then another one will

554
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: be his babbit, the babub he's giving up the players

555
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: is three seventy, which is almost kind of like Mike

556
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: Trout esque numbers as a hitter, just when I tell

557
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: you these numbers four point five walks per nine and

558
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: his babbit as a pitcher going up these guys is

559
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: a three seven compared to three fifteen in the first half.

560
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: What does that tell you about Luzardo or maybe key

561
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: aspects of his second half pitching that have maybe faltered

562
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: to the wayside in terms of his walks per nine

563
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: and where his babbit is compared to the beginning of

564
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: the year.

565
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: I think that just kind of gets back to this idea.

566
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: I think that just gets back to this idea of

567
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: general fatigue because you look at the FIP and it's

568
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: not that much better.

569
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: Now.

570
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: I believe his ex fit may be slightly better, just

571
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: as the way that Sandy's is about a run below

572
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: what is his FIP is his actual FIP is. But again,

573
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: I just think he's just you know, when he's missed

574
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: his pit with his slider and he's kind of and listen,

575
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: maybe my hypothesis about doing away with the singer wasn't

576
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: a good thing because he like, I'm looking at his

577
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: pitch breakdown now, and he's not throwing it that much anyway,

578
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: He's still kind of getting rattled around. Yeah, I mean,

579
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: if you're allowing a three ten babbitt, you're you're either

580
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: in the midst of some bad luck or you're just

581
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: kind of just you're just struggling. And I would I

582
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: would be more concerned with him because we've seen with

583
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: Wizardo that he's had periods of his command abandoning him

584
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: and I have you know, if you look at film,

585
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: maybe that's abandoned. His mechanics have somewhat abandoned themselves. But

586
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, like he had that bad

587
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: person against Houston and then everything else was that. I

588
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: felt like that that just felt like a culmination of

589
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: just him pitching poorly. So I can't really assess anything

590
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: beyond that. I mean, I just think that he's just

591
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: just going through one of those bad periods. And that's

592
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: coming from a guy who I thought, you know, was

593
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: saying he was gonna be like a dark horse eye

594
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 3: young candidate, and now he's kind of sitting here, like,

595
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: you know, flirving with a league average era And I

596
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: don't know, he it's you know, it'd be nice to

597
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: see him turn around. I mean, Blake's now to me

598
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 3: is literally the same pitcher that he is, although he's

599
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: having a lot better results, you know, high walks and

600
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: high strikeout totals. But I'm not sure. I mean, I think,

601
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: you know, it's not encouraging that he's not pitching good

602
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: against good opponents. Although that start against the Rangers wasn't terrible.

603
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: I mean it was still six innings of three run ball.

604
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: That's not all that bad. But at the end of

605
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: the day, like when you know you haven't thrown this

606
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: many innings before and you're going up against better competition

607
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: and you're not performing, that's something that suggests that, you know,

608
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: like you know, he could be a key cog and

609
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: why they maybe don't go in the playoffs in the

610
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: second half because he's has struggled and there's been very

611
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: little light through the darkness that is that prolonged period

612
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: of poor performance.

613
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with Lozardo again looking up more of his stats,

614
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: home runs per nine up from zero point nine nine

615
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: first half to two point eight nine in the second half,

616
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: and you mentioned his ex fip is x FIP on

617
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: the year is a three point seventy four, which is

618
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: just about a little higher than what his regular FIP

619
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: is and Era and Eli. When talking about Lozardo, we

620
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: mentioned Sandy and how you think he'll just return almost

621
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: kind of to form or what we expect for him

622
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: in this season, how he's been doing and with Lozardo,

623
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: do you the way how he's been performing.

624
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: The second half.

625
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: Is there a way for him to go back to

626
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: the picture we saw in the first half or is

627
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: that almost almost a lost Cops were just taking someone

628
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: who can maybe get a four ERA and everything like that.

629
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: This is now an extended period of mediocrity that he

630
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: hasn't had since late twenty twenty one. When he was

631
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: going through it. In twenty twenty one, the Marlins weren't

632
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: playing for anything, so there was just no weight on

633
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: his shoulders, even though he was struggling at a similar

634
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: clip in August and September of that year when he

635
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: first arrived to Miami. So it's a different problem for

636
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: him to face and for him to overcome. Right here,

637
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: the only thing point to is that he has this

638
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: now pretty lengthy track record of being far above average

639
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: picture prior to this recent slump that he can fall

640
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: back on, and he's going during a period where I

641
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: guess all you can point to is that it's a

642
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: time where the Marlins have had frequent off days, so

643
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: more often than not, he's going to have extra rest

644
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: compared to what you'd ordinarily have if there is any

645
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: concern about his physical well being, I think that can

646
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: only help the fact that he'll have a little bit

647
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: more rest than he had for most of his outings

648
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: during the first half of the season. Going in between

649
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: what I mentioned before about how he's struggling from the

650
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: get go. When some of these starts, it's happening early on.

651
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: That's what makes it difficult for the team to protect him.

652
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: Like if this was an issue like early in the

653
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: year where he was running to wall the third time

654
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: through the lineup. This is the time of the year,

655
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: especially when rosters expand, where you can protect him or

656
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: you just don't need to push him deep into games.

657
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: But when he's struggling so much early on, that's I

658
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: guess the only thing you could try to do is

659
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: experiment with having an opener in front of him in

660
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: some situations as well. I don't see the team going

661
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: necessarily in that direction though, So yeah, I would. I'm

662
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: not as confident in him as I am with Sandy

663
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: in terms of what to expect moving forward, mainly just

664
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: because this is a foreign situation for him when you

665
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: take all the factors into account.

666
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's going to be that for Hayston Cizzardo.

667
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: And we're gonna go ahead and talk about another picture

668
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: from the Marlins, and this one newly acquired in the

669
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: trade deadline. So for this one, do you guys want

670
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: to go more in his post first half, second half,

671
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: or maybe his time with the Mets and compared it

672
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: to the Marlins with David Robertson, How do you guys

673
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: want to go about this one? Because it's it's kind

674
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: of tricky in terms of it. You look at his

675
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: time with the Marlins eight innings, his e ra A

676
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: is a seven point eight eight, his FIP is a

677
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: six six', four just not with The marlins wanted when trading.

678
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: HIM i Know Alex carver will talk about this forever

679
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: if he, could and those players that they traded, Away

680
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: but how would you guys like to go About David.

681
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: Robertson there's not.

682
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: A big difference between those two areas to divide, it

683
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: just because he had made four appearances between The All

684
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: Star break and the. Trade The mets weren't using him very.

685
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: OFTEN a lot of that because The mets were, terrible

686
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: and they were and the position to actually use a

687
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: closer to finish off games during that, Span so that's

688
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: part of it as. Well, yeah with, him it is

689
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 2: such a small sample that it's hard to really reach

690
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: any strong conclusions about. It we know there's three notable

691
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: screw ups that he. Had the one against The PHILLIES i,

692
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: think which was his second appearance with the, team and

693
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: that ended up turning A sandy win that they were

694
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 2: in ligned for into a heartbreaking. Loss then again against

695
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: The phillies in that same, series he allowed a go

696
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: ahead home run and the team was able to overcome

697
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 2: that next r. Innings and then most recently against The,

698
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: dodgers were allowing three runs in an, ending a combination

699
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: of bad control and also just balls and play going

700
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: against them in that. Aspect to reach us to this,

701
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 2: point but it is fair to scrutinize him just because

702
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: the standard is so. High like he was a lot

703
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: of ways you could slice. It he was maybe the

704
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: best reliever that was actually moved at the deadline in

705
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: terms of the first half performance then E ra and

706
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: the low twos and a lot of success and high leveraged,

707
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: situations especially given his long track record his career heading

708
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: into this, Year, like, yeah he helped himself to a

709
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: very high. Standard so even having a month like he

710
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: has had since then in a small, sample like that's

711
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: notable because that's kind of unusual for him to struggle

712
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 2: at that type of. LEVEL i, mean WHAT i would

713
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: just point to is there it does seem to be

714
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: his control is not quite as sharp as it. Was

715
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: he is getting himself into bad. Counts there have been

716
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: a couple of times where non competitive walks or extending

717
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: endings or they are just putting him in poor count

718
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: situations where it makes him a little bit more. Predictable

719
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: and THEN i do remember that very first screw. Up

720
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: it may have been against The phillies when he allowed

721
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: a game winning home run To Nick, castillanos and IT'S

722
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: i hadn't actually noticed it at the, time but he

723
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: had this like really funny reaction to this moment as,

724
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: well like he knew immediately that he had screwed, Up

725
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: like doubles over in exasperation When casiano squares up that

726
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 2: ball and hits it out for a game deciding home.

727
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: Run so with, him when you look at his pitch

728
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: location throughout the, year with his, slider he throws both

729
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 2: a curveball and a. Slider he has had some instances

730
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: this year where he leaves that slider over the middle

731
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: of the, plate and that just makes it really. Hittable

732
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: like that's not necessarily a strength of his. Game he

733
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: wants guys to chase his breaking ball below the, zone

734
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: and when he leaves it towards the middle of the,

735
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: plate it is a very hitable pitch with. Him SO

736
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: i would chalk most of this up to just getting

737
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: into bad. Counts and then even when he is throwing,

738
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: strikes his command isn't as precise as as it once,

739
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: was and that's, yeah that's leading to some pretty crucial

740
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: errors that this when it made him a negative contributor

741
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: to this team so, far despite all that they gave

742
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: up to get.

743
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: Him, yeah you kind of took the words right out

744
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 3: of my mouth as far as the command not being.

745
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: There and you also have to remember, too Like, robertson

746
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: as great as he has, been hasn't always even been a.

747
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: CLOSER i remember he closed in a pinch a few

748
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: times for The yankees and prior, years AND i believe

749
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: he closed primarily with The White, sox but even before,

750
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 3: that you, know he was kind of like a middle,

751
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: reliever seventh eighth inning. Guy and we also have to remember,

752
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: too he doesn't throw ninety. Eight he was never one

753
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: of those high octane. Guys he was always kind of

754
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: a location, first you, know good cutter guy that he

755
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: got by. With you, know he balanced command and missing,

756
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: bats and he was a very rare example that the,

757
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: bullpen especially because he doesn't didn't never necessarily had to

758
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: be overwhelming. Stuff you, know to see him, walk anybody

759
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: is range because his. Mechanics if you watch footage of

760
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: him from two thousand and eight when he, was you,

761
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: know a baby in the big, leagues and you watch him,

762
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: now his delivery is just about the. Same like he's

763
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: kind of held he's maintained a very almost Like Mario

764
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: rivera Az ca ability to be very consistent with his.

765
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: Delivery and the problem is is when you're throwing ninety

766
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 3: two to ninety three and you're missing and you're gonna

767
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: you know it's gonna. Hurt the funny thing, is, too

768
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 3: The marlins really haven't been hurt too bad by way

769
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 3: of him not being, great because there's six and two

770
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: in those games that he has pitched. In to be,

771
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: fair one of them was an eleven to three blowout

772
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 3: that he just kind of needed to get some work

773
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: in against The dodgers On. Friday but at the end

774
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: of the, day it is concerning too that as great

775
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: As robertson, is that The marlins kind of initially before

776
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: The burger And bell, acquisitions were banking on him as

777
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: like he's gonna be this savior to an inconsistent. Bullpen

778
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 3: and you know, what The Fernando rodney comparisons are, apt

779
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: although if you look At rodney's first eight games with The,

780
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: marlins they were actually a lot. Better he give up

781
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: about three runs in those in those, appearances And robertson's

782
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 3: given up about seven or eight seven earned an eight.

783
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: TOTAL i, MEAN i think he'll figure something. OUT i

784
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: do need to remind other, people, though that there was

785
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: a time a couple of years ago when he was

786
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: just about out of the big leagues entirely, so BECAUSE

787
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: i believe he signed a two year day with The.

788
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: Phillies he pitched a few, games Had Tommy john and

789
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: then he kind of went, away and everyone's, like Is

790
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 3: David robertson? Done and he comes back and he kind

791
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: of he's, had you, know almost like a second life of,

792
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: course revived by The, rays and then he returns to

793
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: The philly and is great the next. Year BUT i

794
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: still think there's a lot of volatility with a guy

795
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 3: who doesn't overpower, you and he's a guy who gets

796
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: by on guyl in. Command and the thing is is

797
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: like his right to fit is very much in that.

798
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: Ballpark you, could you, know you can serve minds that

799
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: he's his struggles are just kind of bringing his ur

800
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: closer to what HIS fipp suggests he's been for a

801
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 3: majority of the, year and maybe he ends more as

802
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: a three to five guy and rather than a you,

803
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: know a sub two guy that we've seen him be

804
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: at various points throughout his. Career SO i don't, know it's.

805
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 3: CONCERNING i don't know IF i want to change closer,

806
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: yet because Like puck and His puck has seemingly done

807
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: better in these quote unquote lower leverage, situations you, know

808
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: getting it out here to end an inning and then

809
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 3: starting in inning fresh and you, know the ninth. Inning you,

810
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 3: know the troubles of the ninth inning don't necessarily phase,

811
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: him but that just goes to show, you you, know

812
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: closing is a different. ANIMAL i, mean good, example if

813
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: you're A marlins, fan you Remember kyle Bear claw was

814
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: electric in the seventh and the eighth, inning striking out you,

815
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: know thirteen fourteen guys per. Nine but then when you

816
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: throw him into the ninth, inning and we even saw

817
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: that at early points At Sea stick, too your equilibrium

818
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: kind of gets thrown. Off it's you, know it's more

819
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: make or break than anything. Else you. Know roberson's EXPERIENCE

820
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: i think will prove maybe to be better for The

821
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: marlins than what we've got for the most part with those.

822
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: Guys BUT i still think that there is. Volatility he

823
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: also to, remember he's thirty. Eight he's been in the

824
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: big leagues, forever so there's the track, Record but then

825
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: there's also the fact that he's just so old and you,

826
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: know by baseball standards that this could this could you,

827
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: know fall and hit hit The marlins like a you,

828
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: know rake in a face kind of. Situation but you,

829
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 3: KNOW i think he's been so good for so long

830
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: that part of me is still holding out and thinks

831
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 3: that he'll Be he'll be fine in the long, run

832
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: but they do need him to be better than he

833
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: has been for.

834
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah and With robertson the way he's been, Performing

835
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: let's say he might gives another performance like he did

836
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: in his last, Outing how would you guys view him

837
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: the rest of the way or maybe how how what

838
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: the length of his lead so you have a short

839
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: lead to the relatively long once because he was traded

840
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: for and the players that they gave up for, Him

841
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: at what point is there or at any, point is

842
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: there a way to Go marlon's maybe new, closer put

843
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: someone else in, there or no matter What David robertson puts,

844
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: out he will be the closer for The.

845
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: Marlins WHAT i think is clear is that he's not

846
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: the best reliever on this, team AND i don't know

847
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 2: if there's a path for him to be it Unless

848
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: Tanner scott falls. Off Because scott has been amazing this

849
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: year and the reason the context behind his most Recent

850
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: robertson's most recent blown save is that he was pitching

851
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: in the eighth inning because they wanted to Use Tanner

852
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: scott against the best, hitters and The dodgers lineup in

853
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: the ninth that assuming That robertson could get through the.

854
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: Eighth so it's already clear that roberts is not number

855
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: one in this. Bullpen you can even make the case

856
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: as to whether him Or Andrew nardi is the one

857
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: you'd rather have Behind scott in the second most important.

858
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: Situations that itself is already relatively. Clear SO i am

859
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: hopeful AND i would be supportive if they've reached a

860
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: point Where scott simply is the guy that faces the

861
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: toughest hitters in those late, situations and THAT i don't

862
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 2: think at the moment That robertson is the full time

863
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: closer even, now that it will be a situation where

864
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 2: they recognize That scott has just been so terrifically consistent

865
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: throughout this year that he will be the one that

866
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: when they have an opportunity to choose between the two

867
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: in particular, matchups That scott will be the one that

868
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: simply faces the better, hitters especially if they hit from

869
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: the left. Side other than, that there's just not room

870
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: to drop him much farther in the pecking order than.

871
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: That the reason why they got him is because they

872
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: were thin on reliable right handed, relievers and they still.

873
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: Are The Jorge lopez trade has not panned out much

874
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: better than The robertson experience so. Far, Obviously Dylan flora

875
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: was traded to Get. Lopez Quasca brosabon is. Hurt we

876
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: don't know if he's coming back this. Year Matt burns is,

877
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: Out Matt barnes out for the. Year J. T shawgua

878
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: was about to come back from his, injury but he

879
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: wasn't pitching particularly well before. Then they're just they don't

880
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: have good, alternatives especially when it comes to guys from

881
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: the right. Side so With, robertson there's enough to like

882
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: about his stuff and his experience and THAT i think

883
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: he's can continue to receive important opportunities as long AS

884
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: i think everybody should be on the same page That

885
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: Tanner scott is the one who when we get super

886
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: late this year into absolutely must win game. SCENARIOS i

887
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: think Even Skip schumacher is gonna Be he's going to

888
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: go down with his very, best and his very best

889
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: Is Tanner.

890
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: Scott, yeah same question to, you lewis just how do

891
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: you View robertson now in this. Bullpen first when he

892
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: was getting when he was traded To, miami it seemed

893
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: like maybe he wasn't maybe the guy the right handed

894
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: reliever for The marlins to now where he's fallen out

895
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: almost out the pecking order for a closer compared to

896
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: The Tanner scott and Maybe Andrew. Nardi just how do

897
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: you See robertson along the?

898
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: WAY i, Mean i'll just kind of hit it back

899
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: to WHAT i said before and just kind of say

900
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: THAT i Think robertson's experience over everybody else will give

901
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: him a little bit more of a. Leash that being,

902
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: said you, know they've given how fragile the pitching staff

903
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: is as a whole right, now they don't really have

904
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: a lot of room to make. MISTAKES i think that

905
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: say tonight when recording this On, tuesday if The marlins

906
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 3: have a leader in the ninth he will be the

907
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: guy to get the ninth. Inning Tanner scott is your

908
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: best is your best. Reliever but even, then we remember

909
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 3: that he was terrible as a closer last, year and

910
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: a lot of that was because of one of the

911
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: things that is Plagued robertson in his Early marlin's, tenure

912
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: though not to the degree of that it Did, scott

913
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: who did this over a longer, sample and that's the

914
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: lack of. Command and if that abandoned, himself and we've

915
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: seen that he Has scott has been ble to, that

916
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 3: then you know there may need to be a. Change

917
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: the problem is is that at the beginning of the

918
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: Season skip said that the closer the role was going

919
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: to be closer by, committee and so that would suggest

920
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: a fluidity was going to be, there that there would

921
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: be a myriad of guys getting. Opportunities the only reason

922
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: we've really seen that is Because puck kind of lost

923
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 3: that role and Now. ROBERTSON i don't want to say

924
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 3: he's in danger of losing, it BUT i think they're

925
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: going to have to get creative if this doesn't somewhat

926
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: sort itself. OUT i think maybe he has two more

927
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: outings at most to put things together as A marlin

928
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: before they kind of pivot in the direction of maybe

929
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: giving somebody Like scott a shot again at least that,

930
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 3: closing because he hasn't really done it Under skip's.

931
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: Tenures, yeah and going From robertson really, quickly we can

932
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: mention SOME i, Know eli want to talk About Luis

933
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: arrayahs and just how he's been. PERFORMING i could tell

934
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: you really quickly his first and second, half first half

935
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: of the year three eighty, three four three, four four

936
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: seventy one for a nine to five ops to now

937
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: where he has gone down in every single one of those.

938
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: Categories obviously wasn't going to maintain a three eighty three batting,

939
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: average but still under three. Hundred maybe for What luisa

940
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: ries has to be given to The, marlins people may

941
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: expected a little more in terms of where he's at

942
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: and now two ninety seven three, nineteen four thirty five

943
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: slugging for a seven five four. Ops and probably the

944
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: most drastic number of them all in terms of how

945
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: he's fallen off in the first to second half will

946
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: be that on base percentage going from four thirty four

947
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: to a three point, nineteen just not walking as, much

948
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: striking out more than he's walking in the second, half

949
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: and just one HUNDRED i, believe one hundred and twenty

950
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen point difference in terms of his

951
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: on base. Percentage, So, eli With larise our, eyes just

952
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: what is going on with him with the potential silver

953
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: slugger batting.

954
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: Chat, well the story Of, arise what makes him a

955
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: freak is that not only does he make incredible contact

956
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: with in terms of the frequency of his, contact but

957
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: he always finds holes in the. Defense and that's the

958
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: thing that is just not the latter part is not

959
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: happening over this last month or, so where his babbet

960
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: has gone so far down as we have a chart

961
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 2: on the YouTube version where it's like almost league average

962
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: over the last thirty games or so in terms of

963
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: his babbit down to three poh nine during this thirty game,

964
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: sample whereas league averages in the high two nineties with.

965
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: Him SO i don't think there's really a deep issue

966
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: here other than it's a little bit of regression to the.

967
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: Mean he was a guy that was babbitting in the

968
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: four hundreds for a good portion of this, year and

969
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: nobody really does that over the course of a qualified,

970
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: season especially if they're not hitting the ball, hard Which

971
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: arise doesn't quite. Do So, yeah this he isn't really a.

972
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: SURPRISE i think most of us saw this, coming that

973
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: he's probably gonna win a batting. Title it's just he's

974
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: not going to flirt with four hundred while he's doing

975
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: it like this could be a career year for, him

976
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: and yet it's still would.

977
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: Not he didn't really have.

978
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: A chance of maintaining what he was doing before. That

979
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: we're still getting the best version of. Himself it's just

980
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: water is kind of finding its level a little bit

981
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: with this, Approach like this approach still has a relatively

982
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: there is a ceiling on what you can accomplish with

983
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: the skill set that he. Has he just don't crush

984
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,959
Speaker 2: the ball and you certainly very rarely hit the ball

985
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: over the wall in, fact BUT i do think the

986
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: longest home run that he has hit in the big

987
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: leagues that actually happened during the second half slump is

988
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: that he did show that he could still launch it

989
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: four hundred feet under very particular circumstances with, HIM i

990
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: did just want to acknowledge it on the show because

991
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 2: that is a, clear big split between the first half

992
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: and the second. Half and The marlins have gotten good

993
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: offense from a couple of their, bats including the new

994
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: Guys Josh bell And Jake, berger but the reason why

995
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 2: the offense as a whole isn't performing at a great level.

996
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: Consistently one of the big reasons why is simply That

997
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: ariz is no longer. Superhuman that he's come back. Down

998
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 2: SO i do expect him, to if nothing, else revert

999
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: to his career. AVERAGES i expect him to be better

1000
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: than the three hundred hitter the rest of the, year

1001
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: but there are just limitations because he is so. Aggressive

1002
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: it's not going to walk very, Much he's not going

1003
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: to hit for much, power so it's going to BE

1004
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: i think he's still a three hundred hitter the rest

1005
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: of the, year but it'll be appairly empty three hundred.

1006
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: Hitter AND i think people should just adjust their expectations,

1007
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 2: accordingly and you'd hope That skip manages accordingly as, well

1008
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 2: and you, know not relying on him to always save

1009
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: the day and to carry the offense on his. Own

1010
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: he's just not really that type of. Player if you

1011
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: look at the true talent.

1012
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: Level a three fifty season is going to look like.

1013
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 3: This it's going to have a two to three even

1014
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 3: week period even a month where a guy is hitting

1015
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: below than what below what the batting average would. Suggest

1016
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 3: SO i think that you kind of just have to

1017
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: bear with it and hope that he kind of snaps

1018
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: out of. IT i Mean he even had an over

1019
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 3: sixteen stretch at one, point and he snapped like one

1020
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: hundred and ten game or so streak of striking out

1021
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 3: less than two times in a, game and then he

1022
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 3: did that two times in like a. Week like that's gonna,

1023
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: happen even for a guy who strikes out less than

1024
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: fifty times a year most of the. Time SO i

1025
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: think you kind of just had to bear with, it you,

1026
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: know as you, Said, eli there's limitations and a guy

1027
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: who's not gonna hit you ten home runs in a,

1028
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: Season Tony winn went through periods like, this THOUGH i

1029
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: don't think he ever struck out as much and you

1030
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 3: know said game span as A rise. Did but you

1031
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 3: kind of just have to like let the guy figure it.

1032
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 3: OUT i think he's such a pro and he's such

1033
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 3: a good. Hitter he's very he's very hard on himself

1034
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: to the point where like he's almost like that What

1035
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 3: Joseo tube was at some point where like if he

1036
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 3: wasn't getting two hits in a, game it was an

1037
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: abject failure for. Him AND i think A rise, maybe you,

1038
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 3: know even as, fans we've come to expect that from,

1039
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: him and when he doesn't do that it's just like it's.

1040
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 3: Weird even when he only gets one hit and you're

1041
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: like getting a hit the big league's as hard, Anyway

1042
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: but like when he's struggling and he's still hitting two

1043
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 3: ninety over what a month's worth of, games, now like

1044
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: you have to be pretty good about who's playing second

1045
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: base for. You the one thing that may concern, me,

1046
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 3: though is there have been several times recently where he's gotten,

1047
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: hurt like experienced some injuries mid. Game like we saw

1048
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 3: yesterday's sliding into third base looked like he did something

1049
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: with his, thumb AND i know he was he left

1050
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: with what they described the stomach. Cramps there was even

1051
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: something at fielding the ball recently running down the, line

1052
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 3: it looked like he had something with a hamstring a

1053
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. Ago so like he may be a

1054
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: little banged, Up like we haven't even touched on, that

1055
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: like we talked About lizardo being. Fatigued arise may just be,

1056
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: like you, know he's never played second base for this

1057
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 3: long over the course of the, season you, know played

1058
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: mostly first base last. Year the longer defensive load at

1059
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: more of a premium position could be kind of catching

1060
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: up with, him though it didn't, early it may be.

1061
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: Now and you, know talk about the shift in the

1062
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: outfield with guys kind of playing him a little bit more.

1063
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 3: Shallow you're gonna see that batting average kind of revert

1064
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: to what we've kind of come to see. More you,

1065
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: know if he hits three, thirty it's still a tremendous.

1066
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: Year it's just you, know like he even the great hitter.

1067
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 3: Struggle you, know he's going through, that though it's a

1068
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: lot less of a struggle than what most guys would,

1069
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: want you. Know, Yeah AND i think that's a perfect

1070
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: way to end it there With.

1071
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: Aria so talking about all these guys from their first

1072
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: half to the second, half really looking at their splits

1073
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,120
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