1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a production of My 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: podcast everybody. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck trans 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Drip Drip Drip Bryant over there. Jerry's somewhere out in 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: the ether, floating along in an alternate dimension of chaos 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: and disorder. Uh. And this is stuff you should know, 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: that's right? Uh. Inventor series, well, sure, inventors in this case, 8 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: lots of inventors. Um. First, I want to say check. 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: I gotta fully prepare the studio, the little house studio. 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: Here there we go. So I've just sprayed a couple 11 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: of sprits is of Mama Brand Grapefruit tangerine aromatherapy room spray, 12 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: and I'm feeling energized and ready to go. Oh good, 13 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: that's very nice. That is some stuff, man. I need 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: some of that in my basement. Oh you should have 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: loads of it? I should? I do? I just don't 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: have it down here? Where where could somebody find it 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: if they weren't me already know where to find it? 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: I wish you gotta love your Mama dot com and 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: support small businesses that sell soap. When you need soap. 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: Very nice, Chuck, very nice, and yes, I can attest. 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: This is some fine room spray. And you're washing your 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: hands a lot, so get some motion because you're probably dry. 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm just using the room spray as everything. Oh yeah, yeah, lotion, soap, 24 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: what else you know? Essential oil? Stuff like that lip bomb, 25 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: all all the good things to make you slippery. So, 26 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: speaking of slippery, Chuck, you know something that's not really 27 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: slippery when you use it correctly, a zipper. It's been 28 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: a while, as far as the segway goes, so give 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: me a break. It's been a while. Yeah, I I oh, oh, 30 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: you just reminded me of something. Hold on, hold on, 31 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm very sorry. I gotta do this. I'm so glad 32 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: you reminded me. Though. So you sang that song somehow 33 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: it reminded me of breakfast at Tiffany's. That song that 34 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: duo is friends with our buddy Toby hal Brooks. Toby 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: hal Brooks and his lovely wife and Nell just had 36 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: their first baby. Oh Toby had a baby. Yes, So 37 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: congratulations to Toby and and Nell. They have a cute 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: little baby too. I've seen a picture of her and 39 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: she is adorable. So congrats guys, and way to go. 40 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I'm very happy for them. Toby is a 41 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: great guy. And I don't know if I met his wife, 42 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: have I It don't know. I don't think I have. 43 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: Maybe it's south by Southwest. Maybe that was a long 44 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: time ago. It was a while back. Yeah, I remember 45 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: eating a drinking and eating Bloody Mary's with bacon and cheese, 46 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: and that was one of those places that had it 47 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: all in the glass. Yeah, it was nice at the 48 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: Drexel Hotel. Right, Yeah, that was a good day or 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: driscal dri driscyll all of that from It's been a while. 50 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: So let's talk about buttons and then zippers. Okay, So 51 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: I um thought that this was a pretty cool intro 52 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: if you ask me, because if you think about zippers, 53 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: you think zippers they're great. Who needs to think much 54 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: about them? Well, you do, pal, because you are blessed 55 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: to be living in an age where zippers exist. Because 56 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: it was not too long ago, um about a hundred years, 57 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: a little over a hundred years that there weren't zippers. 58 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: You had a button basically, maybe some clasps, nothing that 59 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: you were going to be happy dealing with. And most 60 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: of the time. For most of human history, it was 61 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: a button that was our only option to to to 62 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: connect two pieces of fabric and hold it in place, 63 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: which is more important than you would think. Chuck, the 64 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: dumb clumsy button has been around. I think the earliest 65 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: button that we found comes from a settlement settlement in 66 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: the Indus Valley civilization which is now modern day Pakistan. 67 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: Uh And it was a curbed shell. It's about five 68 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: thousand years old. And buttons back then, this was sort 69 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: of even pre buttonhole they were they were loops. Um. 70 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: If you've ever had one of those cool old school 71 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: uh well, some pea coats have the have the loops, 72 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: some don't. But I'm kind of thinking of the the 73 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: loop and bone thing that some of these kind of 74 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: corduroy coats have had. Or like if you were a 75 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: cape and probably you've probably encountered something like this. Yeah, 76 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: my cape definitely has a loop and bone. One of 77 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 1: my capes, say Pakistan, but like Sammy Davis Jr. Pakished 78 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: on babe, very nice, very nice. So um, the button 79 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: from what I understand though, from this, you know, five 80 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: thousand years ago up to a little less than a 81 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: thousand years ago. For the most part, it was just 82 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: basically for showing off, you know, like, yeah, you could 83 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: use it to clasp a couple of pieces of material together, whatever. 84 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: But for the most part it was an adornment. It 85 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: was like jewelry. And it wasn't until I think the 86 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: thirteenth century that buttons started to be taken seriously for 87 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: the first time, where you had the first button makers 88 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: guild formed in France in twelve fifty. That was a 89 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: big watershed moment in the history of buttons. Yeah, the French. 90 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: They basically everyone was like, guys, we've had buttons for 91 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: a long time. I think it's about time we start 92 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: taking these things seriously. Yeah, this is it's been amateur, 93 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: our bush league stuff up to this point. Let's let's 94 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: get serious about buttons. And they did. So they really 95 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: stopped and thought, well, we can make this better. Forget 96 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: that loop that you put things through, and you know, 97 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: the button can just fall right right back through. What 98 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: if we make a hole in the actual fabric that 99 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: we're trying to connect itself, so some edges around it 100 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: and make what we'll eventually call a button hole. How 101 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: about that? And this act really as simple as that 102 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: is just made clothing technology jump by light years. Yeah, 103 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: that was a big deal because, uh, those loops can 104 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,239 Speaker 1: break off, and often do, but sometimes they just dissolve 105 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: in the sun. Yeah, those buttonholes did. They don't break 106 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: I guess if you were really hard on them, they 107 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: could eventually split to the seam. But there were a 108 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: lot better than those loops. And you know, buttons they 109 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: were the thing. They were around for a long time. 110 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: They were just sort of the way that you've fastened 111 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: two pieces of clothing together. But at some point someone 112 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: was like, there's got to be a better way. Like 113 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: every great invention, not every great imation, but many great 114 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: inventions were built on someone trying to do something in 115 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: a better way. Yeah, because I mean even when the 116 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: buttons working on all four cylinders, which is as many 117 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: as it has, there's still some real flaws in it, 118 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: and that the fabric that you're pulling together and holding 119 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 1: together with the uton might be held at the button point, 120 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: but above and below that button there's a big old hole, 121 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: and who knows what's sticking out of there, you know 122 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm sure buttons can also pop off. 123 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: There's some problems with it, and with those flaws like 124 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: you're saying. Some people said, there's got to be a 125 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: better way, and as a progression of people started to 126 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: kind of vibe on the same idea, separately from what 127 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: I understand. And the first of the bunch was a 128 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: guy named Elias how Jr. Who in eighteen fifty one 129 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: got himself a patent for a automatic continuous clothing closure. 130 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: That's right, was what he called it. Not exactly catchy. Yeah. 131 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: So his idea was, you you saw some reinforcements to 132 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: a couple of edges of material that you want to 133 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, join together in wedded union, and you connect 134 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: them with all these, uh class a series of clasps, 135 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: but they are connected by a cord running or sliding 136 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: as he says in the pattern up on ribs. Not 137 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: the best invention, and it didn't work that great because 138 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: they were clasps like this was the pred the predecessor 139 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: of the zipper, to be sure it was. He was 140 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: not on it like later inventors would be. No, but 141 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: the idea of pulling on like a pull and moving 142 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: like a mechanism across you know, two pieces of fabric, 143 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,239 Speaker 1: enjoining it together in its wake. That is the clearly 144 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: the foundation of zippers, Like this guy clearly laid the 145 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: foundation and probably would be considered the father of the zipper. 146 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: But he left everything just sitting there in his patent. 147 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: He never pursued it, and um, most people think that 148 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: the reason he didn't pursue it because he had bigger 149 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: fish to fry in the form of the modern sewing machine. 150 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: He was also the inventor of the sewing machine, and 151 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm feel a little more bullish about the 152 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: sewing machine than than the zipper. To use um clap 153 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: seeing economy type terms. That's right. So the father of 154 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: the zipperh is a man or generally known as this 155 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: man from Chicago named Whitcomb Judson. This is about forty 156 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: four years after Howe's had. How had filed his patent 157 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: and he marketed and sold, which meant, you know, he 158 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: kind of owned it then as a clasp blocker or 159 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: unlocker for shoes, which, um, it was interesting that he 160 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: was that narrow in his design. I think, I don't 161 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: know if it was at the time. I think now 162 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: you try and go as broad as you can with patents, 163 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: But back then he was like, this thing works great 164 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: for shoes, uh, and shoes are kind of a pain 165 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: to put on, so that was what we're going to 166 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: use them for. Yeah, I mean, he was like, this 167 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: is a real problem because again, we have buttons mostly 168 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: for shoes, and you know, because shoes were fairly form fitting, 169 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: you needed a lot of buttons per inch in a 170 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: row to really hold these two pieces of fabric together, 171 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: one flap over another. So these buttons were small and 172 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: they were sewn close together, so close in fact, that 173 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: they invented another um UH invention called the button button hook, 174 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: and it was like a little handheld harpoon, a mini 175 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: harpoon with the hook on the end, and you would 176 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: push it through the button hole and pull the button 177 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: out with it, and you do this like eight ten 178 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: thousand times per shoe. And that was how you put 179 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: shoes on. So, I mean, I'm sure people just put 180 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: shoes on once when they were grown adult and just 181 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: didn't take them off until they were buried, you know. 182 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: So he was trying to solve the solution with a 183 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: poll that you could just kind of do the same 184 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: thing with. And he he really took Alia's house, and 185 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: again I'm not sure if it was because he was 186 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: familiar with the patent or not um, but he he 187 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: took that and basically said, this is this is worth pursuing, 188 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: this is this is important stuff here. Yeah. So, like 189 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: many great inventors, he got together with a business person, 190 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: a man named Colonel Lewis Walker, because a lot of 191 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: times inventors like to toil away in the shop and 192 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: tinker with things, and they need like a real business 193 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: brain to kind of run the show. Why is it 194 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: always a colonel though, Why not like a major or general? 195 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: Is it always a colonel? Yeah, Colonel Tom Parker, Colonel Sanders, 196 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: Colonel Sanders, Colonel Bruce Springsteen, colonel colonel Colonel So he 197 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: got together with Walker, Colonel Walker, and launched the Universal 198 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: Fastener Company to manufacture and sell the Judson Security Fastener. 199 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: Very clever there the letter c dash Curity Fastener. Uh 200 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: And like so many huge products, were debuted at the 201 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: Chicago World's Fair and was a huge hit it except 202 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: that it wasn't No, And I have to say, admittedly 203 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: it took me at least twice to realize it wasn't 204 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: cocurret e. Really, yeah, it wasn't the first time. But 205 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: so in that World's Fair, Um. They when they debuted it, 206 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: this is have you ever read Devil in the White 207 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: City before it? Man, you're really gonna like it, Chuck. 208 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: But anyway, it was that world's fair. God the Guide 209 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: us such a great job of describing that that world's fair, 210 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: and like the importance of it. As far as I know, 211 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't mention zippers, but he may because he did 212 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: some pretty good research obviously. But the whole thing was 213 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: a flop for a couple of reasons. They were really 214 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: unreliable at the time, and they were really expensive, and 215 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: when you looked really closely at them, they still weren't 216 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: what you'd recognize as zippers. They had little class, but 217 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: it was a little class hook combo. And when you 218 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: dragged this this mechanism up, the clasps were pulled toward 219 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: one another and hooked. When you pulled it down they 220 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: would be unhooked. You also could just do the whole 221 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: thing by hand, but again it was still like this 222 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: clearly the foundation for zippers, but it wasn't quite right. Um. 223 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: Luckily whitcome Judson didn't give up. Instead, he hired a 224 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: guy named Gideon son Back who basically came in and 225 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: is in my opinion, the true father of the Zipper, right, 226 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: I think that seems like a natural breakpoint. I thought, 227 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: so to tease it there with Gideon son to back, 228 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: and we will come right back and talk about son 229 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: to Back right after this. I want to learn about 230 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: astortic college, how to take a perfect but all about 231 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: fractalkiscon un the Lizzie Border murders and the guy I've 232 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: all runs on the plane every day that we should know. 233 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: Ward up, Jerry, there was a hundred and ten percent 234 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: chance that this is going to be a little sillier 235 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: than average. What the zipper episode? Mhmm, all right, because 236 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: they're so silly, they are so before we broke. I 237 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember you called Gideon son Back 238 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: the true father of the zipper? Uh? He did I 239 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: say that? I don't know, but he is the father 240 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: of the zipper because he made what we all recognize 241 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: as a zipper. He was Swedish born and he was 242 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: an electrical engineer, which is kind of interesting. You would 243 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: think mechanical, but I guess you just knew how to 244 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: tinker with things. He was a bit of a show 245 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: off apparently. Oh yeah, well, I mean he was an 246 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: electrical engineer who who was the father of the zipper? 247 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: Come on, oh, I got you. You know he was 248 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: a glory hog, Colonel Bruce Prings. He was hired to 249 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: work for that Universal Fastener company and he married the 250 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: plant manager's daughter, one Elvira Aaronson. It's a great name, which, um, 251 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: he was talented, so I'm not saying he got it 252 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: sherely because of nepotism, but he did get a position 253 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: as a head designer at that company, and he was like, 254 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: this security fastener is okay, but it really ain't all that. 255 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: His wife very sadly passed on in nineteen eleven, and 256 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: that really just gave him the time to pour himself 257 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: into a project. A couple of years later, December of 258 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: about a being bought a boom. You've got the zipper. Yeah. Um. 259 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: He created the hookless number one and the hookless number two, 260 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: And he said in an interview later that like the 261 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: key was getting rid of those hooks, terrible books, the hooks. 262 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: Everyone was so sick of these stupid hooks. But when 263 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: he came up with the hookless number one and the 264 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: hookless number two, and the hookless number two is what 265 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: you would say there's your modern zipper right there. It 266 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: was such a big deal that UM the company changed 267 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: its name from Universal Fastener to Hookless Fastener Company. So 268 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's pretty big. Like you know, you've 269 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: kind of made it as the head designer if you 270 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: design a product, and they changed the company name because 271 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: of it. And in this patent that Sunback got um 272 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: it basically it improved on that security fastener in a 273 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: number of ways. Rather than I think four clasps per inch, 274 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: he well, he changed the clasps to teeth. Was big 275 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: first steps. And then rather than four clasps per inch, 276 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: he added um at least ten or eleven teeth per inch. 277 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: So the more teeth or the more points of contact 278 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: where the fabrics joining together, the stronger that bond is 279 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: going to be. Um He He also created something UM 280 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: a machine to produce it with. And that's I think 281 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: where his electrical engineering stuff came in. Yeah, the scrapless 282 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: machine took this y shaped wire, cut these little scoops out, 283 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: and then punch that scoop dimple and little nib and 284 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: then clamped each one of those on a cloth tape. 285 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: And all these words sound weird when you're just saying 286 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: them like that. He invented the zipper. He did think 287 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: of the zipper, looked down at your zipper, and that's 288 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 1: what he did. That's what all those words mean. Yeah. Uh. 289 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: And again, like the stuff he was working with the 290 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: foundation wasn't like it wasn't a hop, skip and a jump. 291 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: This guy like really he really contributed to the world basically. Yeah, 292 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: and the world caught on. He was making a few 293 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: hundred feet of these a day initially, and the US 294 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: Army said, hey, these are great because here's what we've 295 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: got going on. We don't have pockets on our sailors pants. 296 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why, and so they need to keep 297 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: stuff in there. So we give everybody these little Fannie packs. Basically, 298 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: these are money belts, and they're always losing their money, 299 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: these sailors, so we gotta have these zippers. We need 300 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: twenty four thousand of these to keep the sailor money 301 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: inside their Fannie packs. Yeah. I think they just assumed 302 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: that from that point on, anytime they went into port, 303 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: they would come back with all of their money. It 304 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: still didn't work, but it was clear they hadn't lost 305 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: it along the way. They just spent it. All. Yeah, 306 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: so twenty four thousand that year. Uh, in nineteen eighteen 307 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: they ordered ten thousand for pilot flight suits, which makes sense. 308 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: I gotta have those things. Yeah, sealed up and uh, 309 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: it still wasn't called a zipper at this point though. 310 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: That was the B. F. Good Rich company who actually 311 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: used his fastener sunbacks on these galoshes that they put 312 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: out in NT the notice that made a little zip sound, 313 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: and so they called these boots zippers. It wasn't actually 314 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: the zipper. They called the boots the zippers. Isn't that 315 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: fascinating the first the first use of the word zipper 316 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: described boots, not the zippers on the boots. Pretty cool. 317 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: I love it, and be of good Rich. I think 318 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: they still make at least souls for shoes too. Oh yeah, yeah. 319 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: Imagine going to the store and buying a pair of 320 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: BEF good Rich galoshes. You know those things are gonna last, 321 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: I would think. So you're wearing tires right right, you 322 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: can only buy them at the tire store, the most 323 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: boring place on earth. Oh yeah, with the worst coffee 324 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: and the worst magazines. Unless you're into monster trucking or 325 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: bass fishing, right then you're in Hong Heaven. So for 326 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: the first little bit, that's what the zipper was used for. 327 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: They were used for boots, they were using the military. 328 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: There were tobacco pouches. Uh, and I guess these little 329 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: money belts, and they weren't used on clothes. Though. It 330 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: took about twenty years for the fashion industry to come 331 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: around and say, you know, I think these beat the 332 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: button in the class. Yeah, and for a couple of reasons. One, 333 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: these early zippers were not the best. They didn't work 334 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: every time, they would wear out pretty quickly, and they 335 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: were still rather expensive. This is like cutting edge technology 336 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: at the time. Zippers were not cheap. Um. But one 337 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: of the other big reasons why zippers took a while 338 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: to catch on even after they started being used in 339 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: men's wear, um, was because they were viewed as improper 340 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: for women, which I hadn't heard of, ed you No, 341 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't surprise me, but it's hysterical and 342 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: awful to think about the fact that they didn't initially 343 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: want zippers because it made it way too easy for 344 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: women to take their clothes off. Yeah, like like that 345 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: would just be it, like, oh, well, I can take 346 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: my clothes off a little more easily than I could 347 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: if these were buttons. So I'm going to become promiscuous 348 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: as a result. Yeah, just because that extra thirty seconds, 349 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: the mood passes. Yeah, it's true. Like well, yeah, I mean, 350 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: if you have trouble getting buttons off, I could see 351 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: getting frustrated, that could kill the mood. So maybe they 352 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: were onto something. But in the in the movie of set, 353 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: during this time, the tawdry couple rips opened the bodice 354 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: and they all laugh as as clasps are falling to 355 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: the floor. Yeah, it's true, it's true. Zipper is not 356 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: as funny. No, but it does make a seductive per 357 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: when it's pulled down at just the right just the 358 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: right timing hit in the right speed. It's titillating. It's arousing, 359 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: like yeah, there's nothing more tittilating than a quick little 360 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: it's open right like no, no, we're more of a man. 361 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: You gotta stop. Isn't that nice? Yeah? This is it's 362 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: getting little warmed down here in the bag. I know. 363 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad we're not in the same room right now. So, uh, 364 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: Corset's especially found the zipper. The corset industry was like, 365 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: no way, are we going to use those vulgar zippers 366 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: on these things. We have morals where the fashion industry, 367 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: and they were even designers Elsa and Edward Malan No 368 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: or Malan new they were sort of sort of teasing 369 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: the establishment by purposefully including zippers and saying like, we 370 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: don't even need these, but look, we're doing it anyway 371 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: because it's the nineteen thirties in your face establishment. That's right, 372 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: button establishment, so right. One of the other big things, um, 373 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: that pushed things forward was the use of zippers and jeans, 374 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: And to this day there is a long standing debate 375 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: that I read about on the Levi's five oh one 376 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: Blues blog Wow, between zippers and button jeans, And apparently 377 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: there's purists who are like buttons were first. They were 378 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: on the first pair of Levi's back in three I think, um, 379 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: because they didn't have anything better. Basically, yeah, zipper people say, 380 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: well yeah, and then zippers came along and we didn't 381 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: need buttons anymore. Stuff living in the past, man, um. 382 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: But there's still an ongoing debate and raising debate. But 383 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: if you were to travel back to the nineteen thirties 384 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: and pick up a copy of Esquire magazine, you would 385 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: find that the Battle of the Fly, I believe is 386 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: what it was called, was declared dead, and that the 387 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: zipper one was around back then. Oh yeah, they're nice, Yeah, 388 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: just cutting edge stuff. I am not opposed to a 389 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: five oh one button fly. I agree that it's kind 390 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: of classic. I'm generally a zipper guy, but I don't 391 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: mind a button fly. I well, I was reading a 392 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: recent Esquire right up about the nineteen thirties Esquire right up, 393 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: which is kind of weird now I think about it. 394 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: But um, they were saying, like, yes, the button does 395 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: have some advantages. It's a lot harder to forget when 396 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: you leave the bathroom than it is you know, your fly. Um, 397 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: but it's harder to open up when you really need 398 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: to pee. That's a big problem. And as an adult 399 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: you can kind of regulate that, right, No, not me. 400 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: I have that brain bladder connection, like going full bore. Yeah, 401 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: I guess I can see that. So like having to 402 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: fumble with buttons while you're like about to just pee yourself, 403 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: it's not a good thing. But anyway, Esquire also put 404 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: it like this. Um they said that the button fly 405 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: also adds bulk, but not in the desirable spinal tap 406 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: way in a do you have some sort of terrible 407 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: condition way, it's pretty great. So I think they're right 408 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: there kind of wins the zipper debate. Yeah, well, you 409 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: know the other thing that won't happen with the button flies. 410 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: You're not gonna you're not gonna pull a something about 411 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: Mary moment. Hey, we'll say that for the end. I'm 412 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: just saying, alright, So, uh. In the nineties, we've got 413 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: children's clothing being a big sort of sales pitch for 414 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: zippers because they're like, hey, you want a kid that 415 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: can put their own clothes on and get to that 416 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: factory super fast, give them zippers. So um, I think 417 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: that's pretty genius. Actually, yeah, I mean he want he 418 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: wants to. I mean buttoning up a child's clothing is 419 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: the worst, right, especially if you have to use one 420 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: of a very dangerous button hook to do it. Yeah, 421 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: it's just not a good idea. You don't want to 422 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: get that anywhere near a kid. So, as is usual 423 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: with fashion, the children's fashion leads the way, um, and 424 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: paved the way for zippers to come in. Like I said, 425 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: to men's trousers. Eventually, women's clothing and then women's genes. 426 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: Zippers were finally added to jeans because of women. Apparently 427 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: Western women were totally fine with the buttonfly, but back 428 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: East they were a little more modest and decided the 429 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: buttonfly allowed too much breeze to blow through, and so 430 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: Levi's added zippers to their jeans to try to market 431 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: them to women in the East and the mid forties. 432 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm surprised women were wearing jeans in the mid forties. 433 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: I was surprised by that too. Smells like Catherine Hepburn's 434 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: work if you ask me, But on those jeans, ladies, 435 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: that was amazing. So these I used to do a 436 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: pretty good Catherine Herburn. That was not my best effort, 437 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: it was still pretty good. Uh, you old poop. So 438 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: they went from producing the Hookless Fastener Company twenty four 439 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: thousand zippers that first year in nineteen seventeen in nineteen 440 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: thirty four sixty million, by nineteen seventy one two point 441 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 1: three billion, Yes founding, and by nine seventy one they 442 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: had changed their name again from Universal Fastener to Hookless 443 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: Fastener to now Talent. Make a note of that. Oh 444 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, I put a little pin in that Okay, 445 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: so uh, these were zippers that were uh and we 446 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: have all the name. These were called closed ends sippers. 447 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: That is, it's on a pair of jeans or something. 448 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: It's not like you're trying to put together to completely 449 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: unattached things like a jacket. Let's say, right, that would 450 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: be the next big thing that yeah. So yeah, there's 451 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: actually apparently three main kinds of zippers which I wasn't 452 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: aware of. But the the the ones like on jeans 453 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: or whatever, that's the close end. The ones separate like 454 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 1: on a jacket or something like that that opens all 455 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: the way. Those are open end. And then you've got 456 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: the show offs of the zipper world, the two way zippers. 457 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: They think they're all that, yeah, but apparently, and there's 458 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: like all sorts of subcategories to like, for example, there's 459 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: the two way closed zipper where when the when you 460 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: open the thing you have to pull, the zipper slides 461 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: toward one another and when they meet they keep one 462 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: another from from sliding off or opening further. But if 463 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: you look at the say suitcase or whatever, it actually 464 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: forms an X with the two zippers lines in the middle. 465 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: That's an X type two way closed zipper in industry lingo. Yeah, 466 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: and it's here that I should point out that, um 467 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: something that I don't think I've ever talked about much 468 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: on the show. But I am a bag enthusiast. Oh yeah, backpacks, 469 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: luggage over the shoulder, bags, messenger bags, Merses, I've got. 470 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: I do have a merse um. Shout out to nut Sack, Merses, No, No, 471 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: and ut Dash s A C. Sure it's great. Still 472 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter now it's that's the name of the company. 473 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: Oh got, It's got a little acorn on the front 474 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: of it. That's it's very cheeky, obviously, But I stand 475 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: by my Nutsack. It's great. Let me ask you, how 476 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: did you end up becoming like a bad guy. I 477 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: don't know, man, there's something about finding the perfect bad 478 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: bag with all there's something about all the compartments that 479 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: fit just the right things. I don't know. I think 480 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of a O. C. D spectrum 481 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: thing um that I've talked about here and there over 482 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: the years, with stepping on cracks and doing certain things 483 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: an equal amount of times with each foot in each hand, 484 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: Like I don't let it drive me or control me. 485 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: But all that stuff is in there and I think 486 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: it has something to do with my bag thing is 487 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: having seeking out the perfect bag that holds all of 488 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: my things in exactly the right way. Very nice. But 489 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean, when did this start? Was it like middle school, 490 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: high school? College? I think I always was sort of 491 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: into them, but like I was happy to just have 492 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: the backpack that was just okay because I was young 493 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: and broke. But now that I'm an adult, you know, 494 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: I can I can try a couple of different bags 495 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: out and I recycled them. I don't have a room 496 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: full of bags. Emily will will disagree and say that 497 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: I have far too many bags and some that don't 498 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: get used. But I did just recently sell a bag 499 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: um to to a guy like how like on the 500 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: street now it was I put it on Facebook and 501 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: it was ended up going to a husband of someone 502 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: I knew that. He was like, he wants this thing. 503 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: I was like great, so um, anyway, I have a 504 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: bad thing. And there's a sub category of people on 505 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: the internet travel people that are really into bags and 506 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: especially zippers. That's where this all comes in. There is 507 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: a lot of zipper talk on these sites because they're 508 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 1: not all designed well and you've got to have a 509 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: really great zipper system in order to be a great bag. 510 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: That is the thing. That's one of the best easiest 511 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: ways you can tell a knockoff bag, even a well 512 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: made knockoff bag, from the real thing is how good 513 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: is the zipper? Yeah, I get the impression that really 514 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: nice zippers aren't the cheapest things to include in a bag. No. No, 515 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: because anybody can dash off a zipper. Yeah, we could 516 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: make one right now if we wanted to. Sure it 517 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: was arts and crafts time, but it's not. It's talking time. 518 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: It we couldn't make a really well made zipper. No. 519 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: And a complaint you will see oftentimes on these websites 520 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,239 Speaker 1: is travel websites is great bag. But boy, why did 521 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,479 Speaker 1: they put this zipper on this thing? Right? And so, 522 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: I mean, when you put a zipper on a bag 523 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: or a pair of jeans or something like that, it 524 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: is done, like there's not any any redoing this this thing. Like, 525 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: if it's a good zipper, great, If it's a bad zipper, 526 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: you just ruined the bag or ruined the jeans. And 527 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: then once the zipper inevitable inevitably breaks, the bag is useless. 528 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: The genes are useless, and that's actually a mark in 529 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: the favor of buttons. You can replace a button that 530 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: pops off when the zipper breaks, Yeah, you can fix it. 531 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: There's definitely videos on how to deal with different um 532 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: zipper issues. But when it's broken, broken, there's there's it's 533 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: a problem. It's a lot more of a problem than 534 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: when a button pops off, I guess, is what I'm 535 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: trying to say. Yeah, I agree. Um, And here's the 536 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: point where we uh where I'm going to call on you. 537 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll take a break. I knew you were going 538 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: to do this. I am because you somehow made describing 539 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: how a zipper works confusing. So this is on you 540 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: and we'll talk. Josh will explain exactly how a zipper works. 541 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: Right after this. Oh man, I want to learn about 542 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: a rosortic college actol, how to take a perfect with 543 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: all about fractal kiscon that's a little hun the Lizzie 544 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: Border murders, that they kind of all runs on the plane. 545 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: Everything that's we should know. Word up, Jerry, So let 546 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: me think of some movies. Uh have you seen? Have 547 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: you seen Altered Carbon? I know it's not a movie, 548 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: it's a good TV show though. I have not. That's good. Um, 549 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: I already talked about ozarks recently. Right, are you putting 550 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: this off? Yeah? All right. I'll describe how to use 551 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: a zipper because I didn't realize this before. Did you 552 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: know just how a zipper worked? You did not? I did? 553 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: You can look at it and tell how it works. Well, 554 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: I've looked at plenty of zippers, and I guess it 555 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: hasn't sunk in. I finally had to read what's going 556 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: on down there? Magic? I thought a little magic wizard 557 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: lived in each zipper slide and would be like Alec Gazoo. 558 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,239 Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is you didn't realize all 559 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: those parts had names. Maybe that's definitely part of it, 560 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: but no, I also didn't understand the physics. I'm gonna 561 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: do this. You're ready, stand back? So uh. With every 562 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: kind of zipper, you have teeth, and you put the 563 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: teeth together and you have a zipper chain. You have 564 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: the thing that moves up and down the zipper that's 565 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: called the slide, and the slide itself is usually made 566 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: up of the slide body that the zipper teeth go through, 567 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: a bridge that's connected to the slide body, and a 568 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: puller or a tab that's connected to the bridge. Okay, okay, 569 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: So when these teeth are manufacturers will talk about in 570 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: a second. They're made so that they're all the exact 571 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: same size and shape, but then when they're connected, they're offset, 572 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: so that if you take two teeth in between the teeth, 573 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: a little hole or hollow or valley forms and the 574 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: teeth on the opposite side of the fabric that's going 575 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: to be connected. The tooth fits into that hollow just so, 576 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: but it doesn't fit in just so so that it 577 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: could just pull right out. It has a little hook 578 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: on the end of it, and so when the slide 579 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: body comes in contact with the teeth on either side, 580 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: it has like wedges inside the slide body that kick 581 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: those teeth up at an angle or down at an angle, 582 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,280 Speaker 1: and it also pulls them together. So it actually takes 583 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: the tooth and puts it at an angle so that 584 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 1: it fits into the hollow between the other two teeth 585 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: on the other side. And then as it passes by, 586 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: that tooth goes back to horizontal and it's locked in. 587 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: The little hook on the end locks it into that hollow, 588 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: and from being locked in, it provides stability for the 589 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: teeth that are connected on either side above it, and 590 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: so on and so forth, so that as the slide 591 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: finally reaches at the top, it hits a stop which 592 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: keeps the slide from going off the end um. And 593 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: it's done. It's a little job when it comes back down. 594 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: When you pull down on the slide to un zip, 595 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: it actually uses a reverse wedge of plow to kick 596 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: those wedges back up and separate them so that they 597 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: can easily the hook tooth can easily pull out of 598 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: the hollow and separate. And that, friend, is how a 599 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: zipper works. That's great. Oh, I haven't pressed your court. 600 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: I just went ahead of Mike's mighty good ramen. I 601 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: had one of those two. I had the kimchi one 602 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: out of the pork um. That was good, chuck. If 603 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: you hadn't it checked out, you would. I was frankly 604 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: expecting a little round of applause. Oh, people are clapping 605 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: all over the world right now. Good good, Okay, So 606 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: it is great. Uh. It's such an elegant design because 607 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: what you're doing here, and it's easy to take for granted, 608 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,479 Speaker 1: but what you are tasked with with doing with making 609 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: a quality zipper is making something that is very very 610 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: easy to zip up and down or back and forth, 611 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: because you don't want that thing to get hung up 612 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: or to be hard to pull. It's got to be 613 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: really easy, but it also has to be super super secure. 614 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: And the and the marriage of those two things I 615 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: think is kind of really speaks to the elegance of 616 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: the design of the zipper exactly. And the more the 617 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: more well designed and well manufactured the teeth are, the 618 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: tighter that bind is going to be, yeah, because they 619 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: fit together so precisely. Yeah, if you've had zipper problems 620 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: and bad zippers, that's when it that's when you really 621 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: need to to thank your lucky stars that people are 622 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: out there designing and making great zippers, right, which are 623 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: just too expensive to easily be attained. Or like when 624 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: that stop doesn't work and you go to zip up 625 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: at that jacket and all of a sudden, you're you're 626 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: holding that bull tab and the bridge right like a dummy. Yeah, 627 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: so there are things there. It's the worst you can 628 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: So there's actually little clamps that you can put on 629 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: a zipper broken zipper. I saw a video about this 630 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: that fit in between like the top two teeth on 631 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: either side, and then you just take some need on 632 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: those pliers and basically clamp it on the on the 633 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: inside and outside of the zipper fabric tape and that 634 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,959 Speaker 1: will stop that slide. So if the slide ever comes off, 635 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: because this one of the stops broke off, you can 636 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: actually take um not at all drastic measures to fix 637 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: your zipper. Not me, man, I throw that jacket in 638 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: the garbage right to set it on fire force at 639 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: least all the methane inside. I do, and then I 640 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: sweep up the ashes, a urinate on them, and I 641 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: put it in the garbage. You turn it into a 642 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: six pack ring and throw it into the ocean. Now 643 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,919 Speaker 1: that is a good tip actually, because there are ways 644 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: to darn socks and fix zippers. And we live in 645 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: a disposable society. So if you have a cheap zipper, 646 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: or you know, if you really like a jacket and 647 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: it has a terrible zipper, you could take it to 648 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: a place and they could probably put the zipper of 649 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: choice on there. But that's a lot of work. It 650 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: is a lot of work. There are things that you 651 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: can do yourself. You can also um if the zipper 652 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: slide is not doing a very good job any longer 653 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: of connecting the teeth. It's probably because the wedges inside 654 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: are a little loose, a little far apart. Again, needle 655 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: nose pliers are your best friend. Pinch the zippers from 656 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: the side and from the front and back. You're not 657 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 1: the zipper the slide mechanism. Sorry, and it will, um, 658 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 1: it will. It'll produce a tighter grip on the zipper 659 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: teeth from that point on. Again, basically you're breathing new 660 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: life into your zipper slide. Yeah, and uh failed to 661 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: mention that I'm also an outdoorsman and camper my whole life, 662 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: so aside from my bag fetish um sleeping bags intense. 663 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: That's a real big deal to have the right zipper 664 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: on those things. Yeah, that'll that. This the worst is 665 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: and especially on tense, the design such that, um, when 666 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: you're zipping it, the little flap gets zipped up in 667 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: the zipper. Yes, that's pretty bad. It's awful. It is, 668 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: um and that's something you can deal with yourself. But 669 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: zippers can also get stuck over time, especially if it's 670 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: a metal zipper and it's starting to corrode. They don't 671 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: like to slide nearly as much. There are little things, 672 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: little tip tips and tricks you can do to unstick 673 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: a zipper that's a little corroded. One of the first 674 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 1: things you can do is take a graphite pencil and 675 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: rub it on the teeth just below the zipper. And 676 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: graphites a dry lubricant and it'll help you unzip it 677 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: if the If the pencil doesn't work, try a little 678 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: bit of bar soap, dry bar soap, and if that 679 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: doesn't work, to spray a little squirt tiny stream of 680 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: windex on there and let it sit for a little 681 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: while and that should unzip your corroded or gunky zipper too. Yeah, 682 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: very good tips here from Uncle Josh. Right. So there's 683 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: some other things, Like we just basically described how zipper works. 684 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: What is zippers made out of um? Or what the 685 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: components are. There are some other things that they make 686 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: some little fancy dancy kind of a kouchruma to zippers um. 687 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: One of the things UH that comes in handy is, say, 688 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: like with a tent or something, when you want the 689 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 1: zipper to stay up, is a locking slide to where 690 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: it won't like you could pull the zipper apart and 691 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: it won't come apart because that slide won't move. It 692 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: only moves when you pull on the tab because it 693 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: lifts the locking mechanism as you slide up or down. 694 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: That's a good one. They also make magnetic zippers, which 695 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: is good for one handed zipping and unzipping. It's amazing. 696 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: I think so too. So let's talk a little bit 697 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: about how it's made and then we're going to bring 698 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: it home with a little manufacturing and medical action. Okay, Yeah, 699 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: so zippers, it depends on what it's made out of. Obviously, 700 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: with how it's made. UM a lot of zippers, you'll 701 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: see her metal um. They can be flat or they 702 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: can be profiled. They can be made of aluminium, nickel, brass, nickel, 703 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: free white brass, nickel, aluminum, brass, aminium right, nickelodeon. I'm 704 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,879 Speaker 1: just reporting what I found on the internet, not making 705 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: fun of you. Uh. They can be die cast out 706 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: of zinc alloy directly onto that tape and you end 707 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: up just sewing that or gluing that onto the material. 708 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: And I imagined that might be a bit of a 709 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: more robust zipper. Yeah. The that that machine that Gideon's 710 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: sunback Um came up with is still The design principle 711 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: of it is still in use in some zipper manufacturers 712 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: where they take wire and just like pinch and pull 713 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 1: and clamp the zipper teeth out of wire onto this 714 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: zipper tape the fabric that's going to be put onto 715 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: the material that the zippers applied to you. That's right. 716 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: If you're working with plastic, there's basically two main ways. 717 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: And I saw really great how it's made. It's like 718 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: five minutes long, but it just explains it all um. 719 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: With plastic, there's a couple of reasons why you would 720 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: want plastic. You can actually manufacture plastic two more precise 721 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: design specifications if you're doing it right than metal zipper, 722 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,800 Speaker 1: which means that it may actually provide a stronger grip. 723 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: It also doesn't corrode, although metal zippers are typically thought 724 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,879 Speaker 1: of as is tougher over time, but they they they 725 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: will corrode. Plastic doesn't corrode. But if you're making plastic, 726 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: you can make it a couple of ways. One you 727 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 1: can make it basically just like a metal zippers made 728 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 1: by die casting it. And then another way is to 729 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: actually print it onto the tape, so like the whole 730 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: zipper to the exact length you want is just basically 731 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: formed and melted onto the fabric tape, and then there's 732 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: your zipperty. It can be super super solid. It's not 733 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: like a plastic zipper has to be cheap, no uh. 734 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: And then if you want a flexible plastic zipper, there's 735 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: something called a woven coil nylon zipper. And you've probably 736 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,800 Speaker 1: seen this before, like on a dress that's meant to 737 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: have movement or something like that. It's a it's a 738 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: very thin um it's almost like a nest of of 739 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: nylon woven on either side, and the zipper just moves 740 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: up and down it. You've seen those before, I'm sure 741 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: I have. Don't play me bro. Most of my dresses 742 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,399 Speaker 1: require movement, that's for sure. So I think we should 743 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about y K k uh. If 744 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 1: you've ever looked down and seen a zipper, the chances 745 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: are you have if you've ever worn any article of 746 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: clothing and seeing y KK. That stands for Yoshida Kogyo 747 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: Kabushiki Kasha, which is UM a Japanese company that makes these. 748 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: Where else making Georgia. Yeah, that's like their biggest plan 749 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: is in making Yeah, and I knew it was in making. 750 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: Actually they make about five million zippers a day. Uh. 751 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: They started making zippers the Japanese company in four They 752 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: make theirs out of copper alloy, and they're really smart. 753 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: This is a company that UM. They build the machines 754 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: that make the zippers, they build the boxes and make 755 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: the boxes that they ship them in. So they have 756 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: a lot of control over the the pricing of their 757 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: supply chain, which is a great way to make a 758 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: lot more money than you would if you were outsourcing 759 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 1: that stuff right exactly. And so y k K kind 760 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: of came up. They started in the ninety four, but 761 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: by nineteen seventy they really started to take over the 762 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 1: zipper industry, so much so that prior to nineteen seventy 763 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: a little company called Talent, which you might know of 764 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: as the hookless fastener company, UM had seventy percent of 765 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: the market share. Seven out of all ten zippers that 766 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: you found in the world were made by Talent, And 767 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: by nineteen seventy one suddenly y KK had like of that, 768 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: and they were the big kid on the block for 769 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 1: decades until basically recently, when UM some Chinese firms started 770 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: to really come up to yeah, and the Chinese firms. 771 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: There used to be hundreds of these and they have 772 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: now sort of been consolidated down to like how many 773 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,760 Speaker 1: do they have over there now? Yeah, but there's really 774 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: two big ones now, SPS and y KK. Right, and 775 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: a lot of these Chinese companies will be called things 776 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 1: like y q Q or y c C right obviously 777 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 1: trying to uh sort of rip off the y k 778 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: K company. And it's like any business where there are 779 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: some big, big players, there's fierce, fierce rivalries in the 780 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: zipper industry. Yumi said that when she was a kid, 781 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: her mom wouldn't buy something if the zipper wasn't y KK. 782 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: Sure you know it's quality zipper right there, made by 783 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: relatives of the Allman Brothers problem. That's right, that's where 784 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,240 Speaker 1: the museum is so um. So that's why y KK 785 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 1: has found on most your zippers because of this company 786 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: that has been doing this for a very long time. Right, 787 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. And I feel like, Chuck, we would 788 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,320 Speaker 1: be remiss in talking about zippers if we also didn't 789 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: talk about, as you kind of teased earlier, Genitalia getting 790 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: caught in zippers, which is one of the big drawbacks 791 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: of zipper technology. Yeah, the very famous Signfelt episode when 792 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: he's remarking about his button flies. You want to do 793 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: your best Jerry Seinfeld. Here, this is the one place 794 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: on my wardrobe. I do not need sharp, inter locking 795 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: metal tee. Oh I think you had Seinfeld confused with 796 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs. Which fun Buffalo Bill or Hannibal 797 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 1: elector Seinfeld of the Lambs. Oh wait, let me see 798 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: if I do it. Just do one place on my wardrobe. 799 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: I do not need sharpen or locking metal tea. Except 800 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,800 Speaker 1: he would not have a zipper on his kimono. Was 801 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: that better or worse the second time? I don't know. 802 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,439 Speaker 1: They were both great. I think worse. I'm going with 803 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: so Yeah, it's um. There are zipper injuries, mostly with 804 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: boys and men. That was a group in two thousand 805 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: thirteen and the urologists in San Francisco that's published an 806 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: actual study about zipper injuries in between two thousand two 807 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:04,400 Speaker 1: in there were close to eighteen thousand men and boys 808 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: who had had zipper accidents um at the emergency room 809 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: with some variation of a something about mary type of injury. Yeah, 810 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: that's that's not that's just the ones that were bad 811 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 1: enough to go to the emergency room. Yeah, not the 812 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: ones that are like, ah, let me just put some 813 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: ointment on that, right, But that's exactly the treatment that 814 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: those guys got at the at the emergency room. Apparently 815 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,839 Speaker 1: the treatment for it was described by a doctor, a 816 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: pediatric doctor, who said, I'm just gonna read this whole thing. Okay, Yes, 817 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: you want to just pour mineral oil all over the 818 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: patient's genitalia and the zipper be generous, that's the key. 819 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 1: This is pretty cheap stuff. Then let the patients sit 820 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: there for twenty or thirty minutes, pack him in a 821 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,239 Speaker 1: room somewhere, and when you come back, the four skin 822 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: will have simply slipped out of that zipper, although in 823 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: some cases you may need a cotton swab to help 824 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: it along a bit. You know, my favorite part of 825 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,479 Speaker 1: that whole quote, right, what it was when he's talking 826 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: about how inexpensive mineral oil is. Right, because you know, 827 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: mineral oil, you can just afford to just douse your 828 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 1: testicles with that stuff because it's pretty cheap. This isn't 829 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: like you know something, um Martin. Sure Kelly would invest 830 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 1: in what god farmer bro. Yeah, he would never buy 831 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: into a mineral oil company not profitable enough. I guarantee 832 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: that he's trying to get rich off of coronavirus. I 833 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: think he's in prison again. No, he's still He's probably 834 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: got his minions. Um, yeah, probably so. Yeah, you can 835 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: get your your junk zipped up in there. Uh, I 836 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: had I don't understand why a man would go commando 837 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 1: to me, the underwear is one of the biggest benefits 838 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: is to avoid zipper related injuries. But people do it, 839 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 1: and I just imagine you've got to be super careful. Yeah, 840 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,359 Speaker 1: not just men too. There were five women in that 841 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 1: group of seventeen thousand, six hundred and sixteen emergency room visits. 842 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: Five women got caught in there. But for young boys, Chuck, 843 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,200 Speaker 1: I thought this was the fact of the podcast. The 844 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: number one cause of penile injury was not zippers. Zippers 845 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: were second. Number one was getting smashed by the toilet lid. 846 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: How for real? Yeah, I mean you know they're they're 847 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 1: right there at lid height. I guess so I was 848 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: forgetting about the height difference. Okay, that's sad. You got 849 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 1: anything else, guys, I got nothing else? Well, that's zippers, everybody. Um, 850 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: we made it through Zippers is the new Sun. And 851 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 1: since I said zippers is the new Sun, it's time 852 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 1: for a listener. Male. Ah, this is from Kirsten and 853 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: we're gonna uh not exclusively, but I like reading these 854 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: emails about how we're helping folks out during this weird, 855 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,000 Speaker 1: weird time of isolation, and this is this is one 856 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 1: of those. Hey, guys, thanks so much for the podcast. 857 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 1: My boyfriend Matt introduced me The Stuff You Should Know 858 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: a while back, and it has been a godsend for 859 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: our relationship. You see on car rides and road trips, 860 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 1: he always wants to listen to something that he will 861 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: learn from. I, on the other hand, am much more 862 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: interested in listening to something funny and lighthearted. Your podcast 863 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,839 Speaker 1: strikes the perfect balance. Every time we listen to your show, 864 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: we always laugh together and we both learn a little 865 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: something too. Kirsten, we've been trying to explain that in 866 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: such a sixtinct way for twelve years now. Yeah, that 867 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,880 Speaker 1: was really well done. Matt works in the I c 868 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,800 Speaker 1: U and has been working long hours amid the coronavirus pandemic. 869 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,280 Speaker 1: To pass the time alone at home, I've been listening 870 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: to a lot of Stuff You Should know. So I 871 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,920 Speaker 1: want to thank you guys for keeping me company. And 872 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,439 Speaker 1: if you wanted to give a shout out to Matt 873 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: and all of our amazing healthcare workers across the country, 874 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 1: that would be awesome and we certainly certainly want to 875 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,520 Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, give it up, like it's eight pm 876 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: for all of the healthcare workers, including Matt. That's right. 877 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,399 Speaker 1: That is uh, you know, beyond everything that's going on 878 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 1: with this there. It's not like everyone decided to take 879 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: a break from getting hurt and needing to go to 880 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 1: the emergency room. Have you been Have you been more 881 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,400 Speaker 1: careful than usual just to make sure you don't, like 882 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: accidentally need to go. No, I can't think about that 883 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,439 Speaker 1: stuff because that's when I will get hurt. I thought 884 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 1: about it climbing up a ladder my house, Well, I 885 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,359 Speaker 1: don't know if I'd be doing a ladder work right now. 886 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: I had to we looked like there was a carpenter 887 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: b that made its way through our upper window, and 888 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: I had to look, well, I'm glad you were careful, 889 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's um. That kind of just hit me 890 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 1: the other day that like, oh wait, there's still all 891 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: the other hospital stuff that has to happen right now. Yeah, 892 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 1: it's true. I have a friend who's a oh, our nurse. 893 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: I believe even she was saying that she'd been basically 894 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:08,879 Speaker 1: furloughed for the moment because any elective surgery was um, 895 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,239 Speaker 1: you know, put on hold, which is understandable, but she 896 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,439 Speaker 1: was explaining that elective meant like your gall blighter needs 897 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 1: to be removed, or you have a tumor that needs 898 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 1: to be removed. It was considered elective at least temporarily. 899 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,560 Speaker 1: I think that she's back at work again. But that's 900 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,279 Speaker 1: how bad it was. It was just like, if it 901 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,959 Speaker 1: doesn't have to do with COVID, no, just say no. Yeah, 902 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean I was. I was just about to schedule 903 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,880 Speaker 1: an eye surgery and uh, I'm definitely gonna wait a 904 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: while to do that. Yeah, yeah, I can imagine, I 905 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,400 Speaker 1: can imagine. Um. Well that was great. Who is that from? 906 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 1: That was from Kirston and Matt. Yes, well, thanks a 907 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,040 Speaker 1: lot Kirston, and thanks a lot, Matt, and thanks a 908 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 1: lot to everybody who's fighting the good fight on the 909 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,720 Speaker 1: front lines of the health care battle right now, looking 910 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: out for all of us. Our hats are off to you. 911 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 1: If you want to get in touch with us like 912 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,320 Speaker 1: Kirston Matt did. 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