WEBVTT - Josh & Lyra

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Lyra, Yes, Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some sort of bad news. Are you sitting

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<v Speaker 2>Are you sitting down always? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Really, that's weird. Always sitting down.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems like I'll be honest, that seems like too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting at my desk, come at work.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a physician. I'm not a physical therapist. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 2>a chiropractor, although I think I could be with a

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<v Speaker 2>minimal amount of training.

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<v Speaker 3>From what I understand. But anyhow, I am in a

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<v Speaker 3>hotel room.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been traveling and I did not bring I'm so dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so very stupid that I didn't bring any of

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<v Speaker 2>my recording equipment. And so I don't know if if

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<v Speaker 2>we can do this via phone call, but I offer

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<v Speaker 2>to you the opportunity, frankly, the gift really to do

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<v Speaker 2>this pod, this episode of What Future via the telephone

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<v Speaker 2>is that? Is that an an?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know what's incredible is that I had a

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<v Speaker 4>feeling and I've been recording this whole call.

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<v Speaker 3>You're recording.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I did tell you that I was maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to I mean I sort of

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel like I gave hinted.

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<v Speaker 1>At least it is you're spoiling to magic.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't want to stay.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is that a little too I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that's a little too fortuitous that you have to be recording.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we plan to record this. No, sorry, no fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody gets to have any fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Fine, Okay, you're a genius.

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<v Speaker 2>You knew I was gonna fucking not have my mic

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<v Speaker 2>with me, and you decide to record this, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>all my fault. Yeah, that this is going to sound

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<v Speaker 2>slightly less good than the other podcast I do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of fun to have a phone call.

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<v Speaker 2>I love having phone calls. I love talking on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>I love talking, actually, and I wish I could do

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<v Speaker 2>more of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish all I could do is talk. I wish

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<v Speaker 3>I just had to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that none of the other stuff that goes around,

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<v Speaker 2>like the talking had to exist, like you know, after

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<v Speaker 2>I talk. I don't want to have to execute on

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<v Speaker 2>any of the things I've said. You know, in business,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the time I'll be like we should

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<v Speaker 2>do X, you know, and then people are like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a great idea, and then I have to go do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what would be great is if it were

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<v Speaker 2>like we should do X, and then I just can leave,

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<v Speaker 2>just walk away, and it just happens. I suppose that's

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<v Speaker 2>like what people at the very top do. Like Jeff Bezos,

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, why don't He's like, why don't we make

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<v Speaker 2>a book? And they're like, all right, Jeff, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they make the kindle you're seen. Have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>the first kindle? It?

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when people had it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a completely deranged looking device. I mean, first off,

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<v Speaker 2>it is. The design of it is completely weird. It's

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<v Speaker 2>super angular, It has a keyboard, uh you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>has a weird strip, a thing that's like a strip

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<v Speaker 2>that you use to scroll on it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a bizarre device.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyhow, Bezos maybe it's like that because he said that

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<v Speaker 2>and then he left the room and Noboby.

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<v Speaker 3>People are like, will you just do whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>Anyhow?

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<v Speaker 1>That's did you watch the BlackBerry movie?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't, But when when I was at the when

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<v Speaker 2>I was, you know, running the Verge. Actually, not that

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<v Speaker 2>long after we started it, we had a writer of

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<v Speaker 2>ours write a huge story about sort of the rise

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<v Speaker 2>and fall of BlackBerry, which was that what BlackBerry is

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<v Speaker 2>no I don't think so, I don't. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Actually I don't know. I haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they've stolen the wholesale see from our story, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think it says it's based on a book on a book.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I haven't seen it, but I'm surprised to hear so.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard a lot of people say it's good, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised. I have to admit, it's the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>movie that I looked at and I was like, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Will not be a good movie. No one wants to

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<v Speaker 3>see this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can imagine myself enjoying it because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a huge fucking nerd. But I've heard, on more than

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<v Speaker 2>one occasion from more than one person who isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>a huge fucking nerd, that it's very entertaining.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a sleeper hit, it's got good. It's a critical.

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<v Speaker 1>Darling, is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Who could have seen that coming? I mean that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I like J.

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<v Speaker 4>Baruchell Brukel Baruke him and Glenn Howardton.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>See the thing that bothers me is that he J. J.

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<v Speaker 2>Brukews.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how I say it.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like he's wearing. He just looks like he's

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<v Speaker 2>super young. But he's wearing a gray wig like in

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes I've seen from the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, And.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like kind of bothers me because it's like, because's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be an older guy because he looks like

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<v Speaker 2>he's like seventeen.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Glenn Howardton's bald cap two is pretty silly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyhow, so I don't know, you know, what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in the world, what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Summer's over, right, I mean, that's it. The summer's dead,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you know, it's funny because God, you know

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<v Speaker 2>who I believe in, and is definitely controlling the weather.

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<v Speaker 2>God had other plans for us, you know, you thought

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<v Speaker 2>you know that, you know the famous they famously say,

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<v Speaker 2>you may be done with the past, with the past

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<v Speaker 2>is done with you. That's sort of how I feel

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<v Speaker 2>about the weather. You know, you may be done with

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<v Speaker 2>the weather, but the weather is not done with you.

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<v Speaker 2>And we all thought, hey, summer's over, it's time to experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you didn't think this because you live in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>so for you, it's always summer, which is wonderful, but

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<v Speaker 2>or horrible, depending on how you feel about summer. But

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<v Speaker 2>here on the East Coast, where the elites live, where

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<v Speaker 2>the elite, the educated elites live and operate, where all

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<v Speaker 2>of the elites control all of the world's banking and

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<v Speaker 2>and higher education institutions. Anyhow, it's very hot now, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hot. It's very warm. And you know, people say

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<v Speaker 2>it's boring to talk about the weather, and maybe they're right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe those people are onto something.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyhow, So what is there to talk about the weather?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it is interested, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to admit, I mean, of all the things you

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<v Speaker 2>might discuss, is it is kind of important? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I have to admit that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think one has to admit the weather

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<v Speaker 2>is as especially as of late, very interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that is true. I did spend a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>time reading about the hurricane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I don't know, I don't know do we

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<v Speaker 2>even consider the wildfire's weather? Are they their weather related? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the wildfires are happening because of like dry heat, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know New York was like covered in a

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<v Speaker 2>red smog for like multiple days. You couldn't breathe outside.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, that's a pretty interesting phenomenon. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's like worth talking about anyhow. The point is the

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<v Speaker 2>weather is a topic that people can talk about. It's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly something that's been on my mind right now. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's ninety. I don't know why you're laughing at me.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all very serious and important to uff. It's

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<v Speaker 2>eighty not no, I'm just like.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of offering weather as a topic.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think they've heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you think you don't think they need buy approval, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>saying I don't need to put my stamp of approval

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<v Speaker 2>on the topic of the weather is a conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know what, it's nice and reassuring because people

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<v Speaker 4>often talk down about it as a topic.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we go through life not being entirely sure

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<v Speaker 2>of ourselves about a lot of things. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you might bring up the weather and you start

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it, and then that little voice inside your

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<v Speaker 2>head that talks to you while you're talking.

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<v Speaker 3>Does everybody have that? I certainly do.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts to go, starts to go. Man, this sounds

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<v Speaker 2>fucking stupid, and you sound like the most boring person

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<v Speaker 2>in the world talking about like that it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>rain later today or whatever. But I think people need

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<v Speaker 2>to be they need to be reassured, and they need

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<v Speaker 2>to know that it's okay and that that voy is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>That voice is the only time that voice is right

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<v Speaker 2>is when it tells you to kill people because you

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<v Speaker 2>need to do Satan's bidding. That's the only time you

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<v Speaker 2>should ever listen to that voice, in my opinion, And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, have.

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<v Speaker 4>You I'm curious have you had any epiphanies lately?

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<v Speaker 2>Epiphanies? A weird question have you had any any epiphanies lately?

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<v Speaker 2>Is like have any miracles happened to you recently? That's

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<v Speaker 2>like like have you win the lot Have you won

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<v Speaker 2>the lottery recently? Because had any miracles happen? No, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say my life recently has been a series of

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<v Speaker 2>reverse miracles, uh whatever, whatever. Those would be called traged tragedies,

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<v Speaker 2>miniature tragedies, little micro tragedies, which is a new thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I just invented. It's like a microaggression, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is happening. It's happening to you, and it's personal, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that big of it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like what I some I've said this before at

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<v Speaker 4>work because I didn't want people to panic. But instead

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<v Speaker 4>of saying I have a family emergency, I've said I

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<v Speaker 4>have a family urgency.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's nice, that's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to tell people I have a family emergency,

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<v Speaker 2>like even if it's not really an emergency, just to

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<v Speaker 2>see what kind of reaction I get out of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see, like, I'd like to see how

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<v Speaker 2>they Some people want to Some people will engage with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people are like, I got to get how do

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<v Speaker 2>I get out of this as quickly as possible?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your favorite reaction? What do you want them to do?

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<v Speaker 2>I want people to I want to see concern. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to see people have that face like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know what it is. It could be a death,

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<v Speaker 2>It could be a car.

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<v Speaker 1>Accidents a word for this.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be marital distress. It could be your parents

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<v Speaker 2>are bothering you. It could be your parents somebody your

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<v Speaker 2>parents are sick, somebody's in the hospital. It could be

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<v Speaker 2>your child, is something wrong with your child, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's terrible when you.

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<v Speaker 3>Say family emergency.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be somebody in your family is a terrible

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<v Speaker 2>alcoholic and you have to do an intervention.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that kind of stuff. I mean what goes

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<v Speaker 3>through your mind when somebody says family emergency.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think? What's the first thing you say? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I think death?

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<v Speaker 2>Death. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>See, I don't think they'd say that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they'd say I had a death in the family,

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<v Speaker 2>or they'd say my uncle died or.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone or someone is dying.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess like a family emergency, I guess you could

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<v Speaker 2>say that.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that was just my last My last family

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<v Speaker 4>emergency was somebody was passing away.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, passing away.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's an interesting term, passing away. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's too soft of a term. I think we should

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<v Speaker 2>confront death directly. I think passing away sounds like actually

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<v Speaker 2>pretty pleasant, Like they passed away, you know, they floated

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<v Speaker 2>off into the ether. You know. One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>when you in journalism, you're not supposed to write in

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<v Speaker 2>like a headliner or a story like somebody passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like this weird editorializing about death. Right, you're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to say they died. Like you look at the New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times. They don't write so and so passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>They write so and so died. That's the journalistically sound

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<v Speaker 2>way to do it. It's just a fact. Sure, right,

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<v Speaker 2>there's just no it's funny. I'm talking about death earlier

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<v Speaker 2>with someone I was saying. I was talking to a

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<v Speaker 2>friend of mine and she was something that she had

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<v Speaker 2>bought a very expensive bag and then decides to return

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<v Speaker 2>it and then couldn't return it. And she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>why did I buy this bag anyhow? And I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're trying to escape the thought of death, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went into this whole spiel about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can't remember some very important philosopher I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this or I was reading it. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that everything that we do in life, literally everything is

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<v Speaker 2>like basically an attempt at diverting our attention away from

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<v Speaker 2>the inevitability of death. And like every literally everything, like

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<v Speaker 2>the way we form societies, like having kids, like buying

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<v Speaker 2>a bag, you know, doing whatever, it's all and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of checks out, like like it checks out

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<v Speaker 2>to me, Like I think no one wants to sit

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<v Speaker 2>around and think about their demise. They want to be

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<v Speaker 2>like I need new shoes, or I should have a

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<v Speaker 2>child or whatever people think. I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what people think because I'm not I'm not in

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<v Speaker 2>that group. I'm not in the group of people. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>outside that group. I'm pressed up against the glass looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the people, wondering what are the people doing? And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on the other side. Who's with me?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a weird scene. Actually, where am I? Why is

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<v Speaker 2>there glass there at all? A lot of unanswered questions

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<v Speaker 2>in this scenario. But the point is, I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel like I'm in touch with my fellow humans

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<v Speaker 2>lately the way I used to. You know, do you

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<v Speaker 2>ever feel that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I feel like you feel alienated from humanity

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<v Speaker 2>and society.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty often.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's weird. That's a weird feeling. I don't know anyhow.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Yeah, it's hot outside, very hot. Death is imminent

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<v Speaker 2>and upon us everywhere. Now that I think of it,

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<v Speaker 2>should we pause? Of course? I never listened to the show,

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<v Speaker 2>But what I've been told is that the show has

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<v Speaker 2>commercial breaks in it. So do we need to stop

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<v Speaker 2>and then start again?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, and we should do that. I had

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<v Speaker 1>an epiphany recently.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you hadn't all you have to have had any epiphanies.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me here, let me hear about your epiphany. I

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<v Speaker 2>I had. I have not had my No, I've had

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<v Speaker 2>no epiphanies. And if anything, my mind has been very

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<v Speaker 2>cloudy lately, very very muddled, very unable to discern answers.

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<v Speaker 3>But tell me about your epiphany.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was at Starbucks, okay, and a woman came in.

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<v Speaker 2>She was.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the Karen ilk Oh Karen. You know she physically,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, appeared as a Karen.

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<v Speaker 2>She had one of those weird like Rod Stewart haircuts

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<v Speaker 2>or something or you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, close close to you know, I tense stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, she came in.

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<v Speaker 4>She came in hot, She walked straight to the register.

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<v Speaker 4>She had something to say, and I kind of like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're like, here we go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she was like I called, I got big long thing.

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<v Speaker 4>She had a big order. She you know, had expectations

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<v Speaker 4>and she was laying it all out. And the young

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<v Speaker 4>man said, oh, Susanne, yeah, I remember you something something,

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<v Speaker 4>and the woman's face, like her entire demeanor melted away,

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<v Speaker 4>and she said, you remembered my name. And I realized

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<v Speaker 4>that when young white women are you know, young, pretty

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<v Speaker 4>prime of their life, attractive, they get all this special attention.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty privileged guys remember their names they use it in conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>They get this kind of you know, this this little perk.

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<v Speaker 4>These they get these talks all.

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<v Speaker 3>The time, yeah perk, And they get them.

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<v Speaker 4>Because it's just nothing that they've done. It's just the

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<v Speaker 4>way they look. Because you know, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Live in a culturist society.

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<v Speaker 4>We have our white privileged society that is exacerbated when

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<v Speaker 4>you're a young pretty girl, right, and as they get

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<v Speaker 4>older and they lose those special young white girl privileges,

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<v Speaker 4>people in service especially aren't like meeting their expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>They harden.

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<v Speaker 3>You're saying, this causes them to.

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<v Speaker 4>Harden, and they get upset and they're not even necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>mad at the person. They're mad that like they've lost

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<v Speaker 4>this thing that they could never quite put their finger on.

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<v Speaker 4>They've always been given this special treatment and now it's

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<v Speaker 4>gone and they're mad. And I think that's how a

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<v Speaker 4>Karen is born.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting, that's the epiphany you had. You think you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to solve the Karen riddle. I mean that is interesting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think there's something interesting about that theory.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously there are societal forces that act on

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<v Speaker 2>a Karen to create that. You know, it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>born out of nothing. I do have to wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not more a manifestation of a sense of entitlement

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<v Speaker 2>generally than a specific losing of that entitlement, although it

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<v Speaker 2>does kind of it does kind of map to what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying, in the sense that, like, if you've been

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<v Speaker 2>treated special because you're like, you know, even like a

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<v Speaker 2>reasonably attractive young white woman or whatever people are, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>society has been arranged to kind of like be especially

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<v Speaker 2>nice to you, and then suddenly you're not that anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You've aged. I guess you're saying it's someone who's aged

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<v Speaker 2>and they now have been perhaps getting a treatment that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel as special. I guess that could bring that

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<v Speaker 2>entitlement out of the person further.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the kind of person who rarely, if ever feel

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<v Speaker 2>entitled to anything. And you know, when I was dating,

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<v Speaker 2>I would ask the girl if I could kiss her,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I wouldn't just make a move. I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't make a move. I wasn't like I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>and fucking just do it because the moment has struck me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, is this okay? Like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like I should, but it's like in the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>i'd be like, before I do this, just one quick.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not like mister consent or anything. I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be like I'm so progressive. I'm just saying like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying I'm not mister.

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<v Speaker 3>Not mystery, I'm mister.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm saying it wasn't like, oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 2>got to get the verbal yet, you know. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>more like I don't know. This could go bad, Like

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<v Speaker 2>this person could really not want me to kiss them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I'm just thinking like when I

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<v Speaker 2>think of entitlement, I think of like somebody was telling

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<v Speaker 2>me a story the other day about about somebody they

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<v Speaker 2>worked with who was like sexually harassing them and sending

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<v Speaker 2>them these like crazy messages, and I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was like this slightly older man, you know, sending

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<v Speaker 2>these messages to a woman. And I was like, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a getting completely inappropriate, totally out of context,

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<v Speaker 2>totally like you know, basically criminal as far as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I don't, I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't not tap into the sense the feeling that

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<v Speaker 2>I could just do that to a person, that there

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<v Speaker 2>was any reason why I would do that. I find

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<v Speaker 2>it unusual to feel like the idea that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, I mean, I've taught people told me, when

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<v Speaker 2>women have told me they're like, oh yeah, like guys

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<v Speaker 2>little like grab my ass on the street or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's crazy to me. That seems crazy, But

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<v Speaker 2>it is interesting. I guess the flip side perhaps or

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<v Speaker 2>some part of that whatever that entitlement is. Speaking of entitlement,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the kind of male privilege entitlement about how they can.

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<v Speaker 3>Be with women.

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<v Speaker 2>But in a way you're saying that Karen is the

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<v Speaker 2>inverse to that. It is the reaction to the losing

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<v Speaker 2>of some part of that kind of attention. Nothing, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all nothing, all like harassment. No, but but there is

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<v Speaker 2>a but there is a an element to that treatment

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<v Speaker 2>that is like because they are young and pretty and

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<v Speaker 2>white often right, I mean, it's like not purely sexual,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly a kind of like undercurrent of wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>win favor with sex pretty lady, yeah, sex appeal.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, I'll tell you I had another less fun epiphany.

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<v Speaker 1>But Siah, exactly what you're talking about here, lay it on.

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<v Speaker 4>Me as soon as I became an actual adult, like

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<v Speaker 4>my frontal lobe finish developing. Yeah, cat calling dropped ninety percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, and I had.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been physically assaulted, I've had you know, the guys

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<v Speaker 4>grab your ass et cetera, like random guys on the street.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had. I've lived all of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and once I became like an adult who could

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<v Speaker 4>be like a consenting adult to this, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>mean it's we all know what it is. They're just

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<v Speaker 4>being predatory. They don't actually want to find a woman

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<v Speaker 4>who's like turned on by that and wants sex with

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<v Speaker 4>them in return. But but no, once you become an

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<v Speaker 4>adult adult, men stop this. Like what we now know

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<v Speaker 4>is like a charade of.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, hey, I'm just hey, I'm just putting it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, no, you're not. You're going after little girls.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think do you think sorry? Do you say

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<v Speaker 3>you think it's that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's maturity that now is like that's no longer appealing

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<v Speaker 2>to that particular strain of dude. Or is it that

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<v Speaker 2>your demeanor change in a way that made you less

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<v Speaker 2>that made them less likely to respond like that? No?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, when you're a young girl, your demeanor is fear,

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<v Speaker 4>or at least for me, you know. It's like it's

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<v Speaker 4>not like I was walking around Nightmare at like sixteen

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<v Speaker 4>and that's why they went for me. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>I looked terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me be clear, sorry, let me.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I look tough once I got old?

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<v Speaker 2>Saying that like maybe you know that, yeah, that you

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<v Speaker 2>got you toughened up as you got older, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was less, you know, it was like more intimidating to

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<v Speaker 2>the guys who might who might otherwise, you know, respond

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<v Speaker 2>that way to somebody who's younger. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I've been wearing like four layers of winter clothes

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<v Speaker 4>in a blizzard and had a guy yell at me.

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<v Speaker 3>From his Interesting, that's interesting, That's what you know. Something.

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<v Speaker 2>I was walking down the street the other day speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of cat calling, and there were these two very good

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<v Speaker 2>looking guys walking together, and a guy came by on

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<v Speaker 2>a bike and he was like, oh yes, daddy. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like yes to both of you daddies, like literally just

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<v Speaker 2>like that as he cruised by, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, I was like, for a second when

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<v Speaker 2>he said oh yes, daddy, I was like, is he

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<v Speaker 2>talking to me for just one little moment, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>is this guy hitting on me on his city bike?

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't, because there were beautiful muscular men walking past me,

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<v Speaker 2>but two guys who were definitely daddy in question anyhow.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have never been fucking cat called. I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what the experience is like. It'd be different

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<v Speaker 2>for me than it is for you. Obviously. Even if

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<v Speaker 2>it were a big burly man and I got cat called,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, that's pretty flattering, I have to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel because I'm not walking around it. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>walked around in fear of predators my whole life, obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe I don't even said this before on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast. I don't know, I just think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be nice, you know, Like, I don't know what it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a you know, as a man, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't sound like a John Hamm type of guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not like a Brad Pitt, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a I'm more like a.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm more like a.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like a Jene Wilder kind you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more Gene Wilder kind of character. You know. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it's like for someone to aggressively

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<v Speaker 2>sexually pursue me, and uh, I'm not complaining, Well maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I am. I mean, I guess it sounds like it

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<v Speaker 2>could be scary. Obviously for a woman, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>a horrible experience. Wilder, it might be a very nice experience.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not actually sexually pursuing you. They are trying to

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<v Speaker 4>scare you.

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<v Speaker 2>I like how I like how you're you seem a

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<v Speaker 2>little at Matt, like agitated about the fact that these

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<v Speaker 2>guys aren't aren't willing to follow through on their on

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<v Speaker 2>their cat call, like they won't take you on a tape.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if if it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was, then it would it wouldn't mean that they were

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<v Speaker 4>like targeting vulnerable populations.

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<v Speaker 3>You're saying, right, you're saying that there's a scenario where

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<v Speaker 3>somebody's like, hey, baby, why don't you bring that over

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<v Speaker 3>here or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what a cat call sounds like, but

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<v Speaker 2>maybe something like that, and then the woman's like all right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're like, hey, like what are you doing

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<v Speaker 2>Friday night? And you think that, like, is that's a

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<v Speaker 2>thing that might happen. It doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I have seen actually I've seen a woman do that

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<v Speaker 4>on the subway to a man and get his number.

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen that.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course a woman can do it. A woman has

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<v Speaker 2>followed through. Yes, he's not doing it like a man.

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<v Speaker 4>So I do think that that would be a better

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<v Speaker 4>than what it actually is. But you've got to go

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<v Speaker 4>and we can talk about this.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to have to go, But I think to recap,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hot, it's summer's not over. You may be through

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<v Speaker 2>with the with the summer, but the summer is not

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<v Speaker 2>through with you. Cat Calling is largely bad unless you're me,

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<v Speaker 2>in which case he would be a compliment and a

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<v Speaker 2>wonder for pleasure to experience. I just want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure I've got all of it. Oh and the BlackBerry

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<v Speaker 2>movie is pretty good and I should check it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a great round.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, it's a lot of food for thought. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lot to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, well, you know Karens.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just Karens. Yeah right. Your grand unified theory of Karens,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is actually perhaps the most important takeaway

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<v Speaker 2>from this show, is that you have solved You actually

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<v Speaker 2>have maybe figured out how we can stop Karens. From

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<v Speaker 2>being produced in society, which is, we need to be way, way,

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<v Speaker 2>way nicer to women, no matter what age they are

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<v Speaker 2>and no matter how they look. We should be nice

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<v Speaker 2>to women and help them out and remember their names.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I'll just expand that to people. We should

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<v Speaker 2>be nice to people and remember who they are and

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<v Speaker 2>treat them with kindness and respect, and then nobody will

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<v Speaker 2>become an entitled maniac who yells at a target employee

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<v Speaker 2>because she has to wear a mask.

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<v Speaker 4>We should treat all people with kindness and respect, regardless

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<v Speaker 4>of their physical.

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<v Speaker 3>Appearance, unless they have a swastika tattoo.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that's the one exception, unless they're like a

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<v Speaker 2>one of these guys with the swastika tattoo who's.

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<v Speaker 3>Now seen the error of their way formed and his reform.

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<v Speaker 2>Is actually like and actually loves Jews and black people like.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if that person, we should embrace and say you

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<v Speaker 2>did it. You've you've overcome your your bad upbringing or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever cause you to become an autot.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to wish anything to the listeners?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, I hope that they don't end up

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<v Speaker 2>in a situation. What I'd say is, like you know

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<v Speaker 2>obviously you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know I'm seeing up your sign off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I see, I know, obviously that is our show.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back next week with more What Future, and

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<v Speaker 2>I won't be on the phone, but what I might

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<v Speaker 2>and I what I wish for people is is is

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<v Speaker 2>not the very best, but I my wish is that

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<v Speaker 2>they they never end up in a situation where they

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<v Speaker 2>have to record a podcast and they they've left their

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<v Speaker 2>podcast microphone at home because it's obviously embarrassing and Bushley

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<v Speaker 2>an amateur hour. And and I wouldn't want anybody to

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<v Speaker 2>have an egg on their face quite the way I

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<v Speaker 2>do right now. Is that an expression egg on your

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<v Speaker 2>face is not a thing that people say.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I would like to explore that for the next

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<v Speaker 2>episode of What Future, I'd like to do a deep.

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<v Speaker 3>Dive on the egg on your face expression and what

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<v Speaker 3>it really means.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, great, Okay, goodbye bye.