Speaker 1: Hello, Lyra, Yes, Josh.
Speaker 2: I have some sort of bad news. Are you sitting
Speaker 2: Are you sitting down always? Oh?
Speaker 3: Really, that's weird. Always sitting down.
Speaker 2: That seems like I'll be honest, that seems like too much.
Speaker 1: Sitting at my desk, come at work.
Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I'm not
Speaker 2: a physician. I'm not a physical therapist. I'm not even
Speaker 2: a chiropractor, although I think I could be with a
Speaker 2: minimal amount of training.
Speaker 3: From what I understand. But anyhow, I am in a
Speaker 3: hotel room.
Speaker 2: I've been traveling and I did not bring I'm so dumb.
Speaker 2: I'm so very stupid that I didn't bring any of
Speaker 2: my recording equipment. And so I don't know if if
Speaker 2: we can do this via phone call, but I offer
Speaker 2: to you the opportunity, frankly, the gift really to do
Speaker 2: this pod, this episode of What Future via the telephone
Speaker 2: is that? Is that an an?
Speaker 4: Well, you know what's incredible is that I had a
Speaker 4: feeling and I've been recording this whole call.
Speaker 3: You're recording.
Speaker 2: Well, I did tell you that I was maybe not
Speaker 2: going to be able to I mean I sort of
Speaker 2: and I feel like I gave hinted.
Speaker 1: At least it is you're spoiling to magic.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to stay.
Speaker 2: I mean, is that a little too I feel like
Speaker 2: that's a little too fortuitous that you have to be recording.
Speaker 1: Okay, we plan to record this. No, sorry, no fun.
Speaker 1: Nobody gets to have any fun.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Fine, Okay, you're a genius.
Speaker 2: You knew I was gonna fucking not have my mic
Speaker 2: with me, and you decide to record this, and it's
Speaker 2: all my fault. Yeah, that this is going to sound
Speaker 2: slightly less good than the other podcast I do.
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun to have a phone call.
Speaker 2: I love having phone calls. I love talking on the phone.
Speaker 2: I love talking, actually, and I wish I could do
Speaker 2: more of it.
Speaker 3: I wish all I could do is talk. I wish
Speaker 3: I just had to talk.
Speaker 2: I wish that none of the other stuff that goes around,
Speaker 2: like the talking had to exist, like you know, after
Speaker 2: I talk. I don't want to have to execute on
Speaker 2: any of the things I've said. You know, in business,
Speaker 2: a lot of the time I'll be like we should
Speaker 2: do X, you know, and then people are like, that's
Speaker 2: a great idea, and then I have to go do it.
Speaker 2: You know what would be great is if it were
Speaker 2: like we should do X, and then I just can leave,
Speaker 2: just walk away, and it just happens. I suppose that's
Speaker 2: like what people at the very top do. Like Jeff Bezos,
Speaker 2: He's like, why don't He's like, why don't we make
Speaker 2: a book? And they're like, all right, Jeff, and then
Speaker 2: they make the kindle you're seen. Have you ever seen
Speaker 2: the first kindle? It?
Speaker 1: I remember when people had it.
Speaker 2: But it's a completely deranged looking device. I mean, first off,
Speaker 2: it is. The design of it is completely weird. It's
Speaker 2: super angular, It has a keyboard, uh you know, it
Speaker 2: has a weird strip, a thing that's like a strip
Speaker 2: that you use to scroll on it.
Speaker 3: It's a bizarre device.
Speaker 2: Anyhow, Bezos maybe it's like that because he said that
Speaker 2: and then he left the room and Noboby.
Speaker 3: People are like, will you just do whatever?
Speaker 2: Anyhow?
Speaker 1: That's did you watch the BlackBerry movie?
Speaker 2: I didn't, But when when I was at the when
Speaker 2: I was, you know, running the Verge. Actually, not that
Speaker 2: long after we started it, we had a writer of
Speaker 2: ours write a huge story about sort of the rise
Speaker 2: and fall of BlackBerry, which was that what BlackBerry is
Speaker 2: no I don't think so, I don't. I don't believe
Speaker 2: it is. Actually I don't know. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: Maybe they've stolen the wholesale see from our story, but I.
Speaker 1: Think it says it's based on a book on a book.
Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen it, but I'm surprised to hear so.
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of people say it's good, and
Speaker 2: I'm surprised. I have to admit, it's the kind of
Speaker 2: movie that I looked at and I was like, this.
Speaker 3: Will not be a good movie. No one wants to
Speaker 3: see this movie.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can imagine myself enjoying it because I'm
Speaker 2: a huge fucking nerd. But I've heard, on more than
Speaker 2: one occasion from more than one person who isn't necessarily
Speaker 2: a huge fucking nerd, that it's very entertaining.
Speaker 4: It's a sleeper hit, it's got good. It's a critical.
Speaker 1: Darling, is it?
Speaker 2: Who could have seen that coming? I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean I like J.
Speaker 4: Baruchell Brukel Baruke him and Glenn Howardton.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See the thing that bothers me is that he J. J.
Speaker 2: Brukews.
Speaker 3: That's how I say it.
Speaker 2: It looks like he's wearing. He just looks like he's
Speaker 2: super young. But he's wearing a gray wig like in
Speaker 2: the scenes I've seen from the trailer.
Speaker 1: That's true, And.
Speaker 2: It's like kind of bothers me because it's like, because's
Speaker 2: supposed to be an older guy because he looks like
Speaker 2: he's like seventeen.
Speaker 4: Well, Glenn Howardton's bald cap two is pretty silly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyhow, so I don't know, you know, what's going
Speaker 2: on in the world, what's going on.
Speaker 3: Summer's over, right, I mean, that's it. The summer's dead,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: But then you know, it's funny because God, you know
Speaker 2: who I believe in, and is definitely controlling the weather.
Speaker 2: God had other plans for us, you know, you thought
Speaker 2: you know that, you know the famous they famously say,
Speaker 2: you may be done with the past, with the past
Speaker 2: is done with you. That's sort of how I feel
Speaker 2: about the weather. You know, you may be done with
Speaker 2: the weather, but the weather is not done with you.
Speaker 2: And we all thought, hey, summer's over, it's time to experience.
Speaker 2: Well you didn't think this because you live in Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: so for you, it's always summer, which is wonderful, but
Speaker 2: or horrible, depending on how you feel about summer. But
Speaker 2: here on the East Coast, where the elites live, where
Speaker 2: the elite, the educated elites live and operate, where all
Speaker 2: of the elites control all of the world's banking and
Speaker 2: and higher education institutions. Anyhow, it's very hot now, you know,
Speaker 2: it's hot. It's very warm. And you know, people say
Speaker 2: it's boring to talk about the weather, and maybe they're right,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe those people are onto something.
Speaker 3: Anyhow, So what is there to talk about the weather?
Speaker 3: I mean, it is interested, you.
Speaker 2: Have to admit, I mean, of all the things you
Speaker 2: might discuss, is it is kind of important? Right?
Speaker 1: Do I have to admit that?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think one has to admit the weather
Speaker 2: is as especially as of late, very interesting.
Speaker 4: Okay, that is true. I did spend a lot of
Speaker 4: time reading about the hurricane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know, I don't know do we
Speaker 2: even consider the wildfire's weather? Are they their weather related? Right?
Speaker 2: I mean the wildfires are happening because of like dry heat, right.
Speaker 2: So you know New York was like covered in a
Speaker 2: red smog for like multiple days. You couldn't breathe outside.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's a pretty interesting phenomenon. I think
Speaker 2: that's like worth talking about anyhow. The point is the
Speaker 2: weather is a topic that people can talk about. It's
Speaker 2: certainly something that's been on my mind right now. It's
Speaker 2: it's ninety. I don't know why you're laughing at me.
Speaker 2: This is all very serious and important to uff. It's
Speaker 2: eighty not no, I'm just like.
Speaker 1: The idea of offering weather as a topic.
Speaker 3: I just think they've heard.
Speaker 2: Oh you think you don't think they need buy approval, Yeah,
Speaker 2: saying I don't need to put my stamp of approval
Speaker 2: on the topic of the weather is a conversation.
Speaker 4: But you know what, it's nice and reassuring because people
Speaker 4: often talk down about it as a topic.
Speaker 2: I think we go through life not being entirely sure
Speaker 2: of ourselves about a lot of things. And I think
Speaker 2: sometimes you might bring up the weather and you start
Speaker 2: talking about it, and then that little voice inside your
Speaker 2: head that talks to you while you're talking.
Speaker 3: Does everybody have that? I certainly do.
Speaker 2: It starts to go, starts to go. Man, this sounds
Speaker 2: fucking stupid, and you sound like the most boring person
Speaker 2: in the world talking about like that it's going to
Speaker 2: rain later today or whatever. But I think people need
Speaker 2: to be they need to be reassured, and they need
Speaker 2: to know that it's okay and that that voy is wrong.
Speaker 2: That voice is the only time that voice is right
Speaker 2: is when it tells you to kill people because you
Speaker 2: need to do Satan's bidding. That's the only time you
Speaker 2: should ever listen to that voice, in my opinion, And uh,
Speaker 2: you know, have.
Speaker 4: You I'm curious have you had any epiphanies lately?
Speaker 2: Epiphanies? A weird question have you had any any epiphanies lately?
Speaker 2: Is like have any miracles happened to you recently? That's
Speaker 2: like like have you win the lot Have you won
Speaker 2: the lottery recently? Because had any miracles happen? No, I
Speaker 2: would say my life recently has been a series of
Speaker 2: reverse miracles, uh whatever, whatever. Those would be called traged tragedies,
Speaker 2: miniature tragedies, little micro tragedies, which is a new thing
Speaker 2: that I just invented. It's like a microaggression, but it
Speaker 2: is happening. It's happening to you, and it's personal, but
Speaker 2: it's not that big of it.
Speaker 4: It's like what I some I've said this before at
Speaker 4: work because I didn't want people to panic. But instead
Speaker 4: of saying I have a family emergency, I've said I
Speaker 4: have a family urgency.
Speaker 3: Oh that's nice, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: I like to tell people I have a family emergency,
Speaker 2: like even if it's not really an emergency, just to
Speaker 2: see what kind of reaction I get out of them.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see, like, I'd like to see how
Speaker 2: they Some people want to Some people will engage with that.
Speaker 2: Some people are like, I got to get how do
Speaker 2: I get out of this as quickly as possible?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite reaction? What do you want them to do?
Speaker 2: I want people to I want to see concern. I
Speaker 2: want to see people have that face like you know,
Speaker 2: they don't know what it is. It could be a death,
Speaker 2: It could be a car.
Speaker 1: Accidents a word for this.
Speaker 2: It could be marital distress. It could be your parents
Speaker 2: are bothering you. It could be your parents somebody your
Speaker 2: parents are sick, somebody's in the hospital. It could be
Speaker 2: your child, is something wrong with your child, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: it's terrible when you.
Speaker 3: Say family emergency.
Speaker 2: It could be somebody in your family is a terrible
Speaker 2: alcoholic and you have to do an intervention.
Speaker 3: You know that kind of stuff. I mean what goes
Speaker 3: through your mind when somebody says family emergency.
Speaker 2: What do you think? What's the first thing you say? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think death?
Speaker 2: Death. Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, I don't think they'd say that.
Speaker 2: I think they'd say I had a death in the family,
Speaker 2: or they'd say my uncle died or.
Speaker 1: Someone or someone is dying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess like a family emergency, I guess you could
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 4: I guess that was just my last My last family
Speaker 4: emergency was somebody was passing away.
Speaker 3: Right, passing away.
Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting term, passing away. I think
Speaker 2: it's too soft of a term. I think we should
Speaker 2: confront death directly. I think passing away sounds like actually
Speaker 2: pretty pleasant, Like they passed away, you know, they floated
Speaker 2: off into the ether. You know. One of the things
Speaker 2: when you in journalism, you're not supposed to write in
Speaker 2: like a headliner or a story like somebody passed away.
Speaker 2: That's like this weird editorializing about death. Right, you're supposed
Speaker 2: to say they died. Like you look at the New
Speaker 2: York Times. They don't write so and so passed away.
Speaker 2: They write so and so died. That's the journalistically sound
Speaker 2: way to do it. It's just a fact. Sure, right,
Speaker 2: there's just no it's funny. I'm talking about death earlier
Speaker 2: with someone I was saying. I was talking to a
Speaker 2: friend of mine and she was something that she had
Speaker 2: bought a very expensive bag and then decides to return
Speaker 2: it and then couldn't return it. And she was like,
Speaker 2: why did I buy this bag anyhow? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: because you're trying to escape the thought of death, you know.
Speaker 2: And then I went into this whole spiel about it.
Speaker 2: And I can't remember some very important philosopher I was
Speaker 2: talking about this or I was reading it. You know
Speaker 2: that everything that we do in life, literally everything is
Speaker 2: like basically an attempt at diverting our attention away from
Speaker 2: the inevitability of death. And like every literally everything, like
Speaker 2: the way we form societies, like having kids, like buying
Speaker 2: a bag, you know, doing whatever, it's all and you know,
Speaker 2: it kind of checks out, like like it checks out
Speaker 2: to me, Like I think no one wants to sit
Speaker 2: around and think about their demise. They want to be
Speaker 2: like I need new shoes, or I should have a
Speaker 2: child or whatever people think. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know what people think because I'm not I'm not in
Speaker 2: that group. I'm not in the group of people. I'm
Speaker 2: outside that group. I'm pressed up against the glass looking
Speaker 2: at the people, wondering what are the people doing? And
Speaker 2: I'm on the other side. Who's with me?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a weird scene. Actually, where am I? Why is
Speaker 2: there glass there at all? A lot of unanswered questions
Speaker 2: in this scenario. But the point is, I guess I
Speaker 2: don't feel like I'm in touch with my fellow humans
Speaker 2: lately the way I used to. You know, do you
Speaker 2: ever feel that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like you feel alienated from humanity
Speaker 2: and society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty often.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's weird. That's a weird feeling. I don't know anyhow.
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, it's hot outside, very hot. Death is imminent
Speaker 2: and upon us everywhere. Now that I think of it,
Speaker 2: should we pause? Of course? I never listened to the show,
Speaker 2: But what I've been told is that the show has
Speaker 2: commercial breaks in it. So do we need to stop
Speaker 2: and then start again?
Speaker 1: I think so, and we should do that. I had
Speaker 1: an epiphany recently.
Speaker 2: Oh you hadn't all you have to have had any epiphanies.
Speaker 2: Let me here, let me hear about your epiphany. I
Speaker 2: I had. I have not had my No, I've had
Speaker 2: no epiphanies. And if anything, my mind has been very
Speaker 2: cloudy lately, very very muddled, very unable to discern answers.
Speaker 3: But tell me about your epiphany.
Speaker 1: So I was at Starbucks, okay, and a woman came in.
Speaker 2: She was.
Speaker 4: Of the Karen ilk Oh Karen. You know she physically,
Speaker 4: you know, appeared as a Karen.
Speaker 2: She had one of those weird like Rod Stewart haircuts
Speaker 2: or something or you.
Speaker 1: Know, close close to you know, I tense stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, she came in.
Speaker 4: She came in hot, She walked straight to the register.
Speaker 4: She had something to say, and I kind of like.
Speaker 3: You know, you're like, here we go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was like I called, I got big long thing.
Speaker 4: She had a big order. She you know, had expectations
Speaker 4: and she was laying it all out. And the young
Speaker 4: man said, oh, Susanne, yeah, I remember you something something,
Speaker 4: and the woman's face, like her entire demeanor melted away,
Speaker 4: and she said, you remembered my name. And I realized
Speaker 4: that when young white women are you know, young, pretty
Speaker 4: prime of their life, attractive, they get all this special attention.
Speaker 4: Pretty privileged guys remember their names they use it in conversation.
Speaker 4: They get this kind of you know, this this little perk.
Speaker 4: These they get these talks all.
Speaker 3: The time, yeah perk, And they get them.
Speaker 4: Because it's just nothing that they've done. It's just the
Speaker 4: way they look. Because you know, we.
Speaker 2: Live in a culturist society.
Speaker 4: We have our white privileged society that is exacerbated when
Speaker 4: you're a young pretty girl, right, and as they get
Speaker 4: older and they lose those special young white girl privileges,
Speaker 4: people in service especially aren't like meeting their expectations.
Speaker 2: They harden.
Speaker 3: You're saying, this causes them to.
Speaker 4: Harden, and they get upset and they're not even necessarily
Speaker 4: mad at the person. They're mad that like they've lost
Speaker 4: this thing that they could never quite put their finger on.
Speaker 4: They've always been given this special treatment and now it's
Speaker 4: gone and they're mad. And I think that's how a
Speaker 4: Karen is born.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, that's the epiphany you had. You think you've
Speaker 2: got to solve the Karen riddle. I mean that is interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I think there's something interesting about that theory.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there are societal forces that act on
Speaker 2: a Karen to create that. You know, it's not just
Speaker 2: born out of nothing. I do have to wonder if
Speaker 2: it's not more a manifestation of a sense of entitlement
Speaker 2: generally than a specific losing of that entitlement, although it
Speaker 2: does kind of it does kind of map to what
Speaker 2: you're saying, in the sense that, like, if you've been
Speaker 2: treated special because you're like, you know, even like a
Speaker 2: reasonably attractive young white woman or whatever people are, you know,
Speaker 2: society has been arranged to kind of like be especially
Speaker 2: nice to you, and then suddenly you're not that anymore.
Speaker 2: You've aged. I guess you're saying it's someone who's aged
Speaker 2: and they now have been perhaps getting a treatment that
Speaker 2: doesn't feel as special. I guess that could bring that
Speaker 2: entitlement out of the person further.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm the kind of person who rarely, if ever feel
Speaker 2: entitled to anything. And you know, when I was dating,
Speaker 2: I would ask the girl if I could kiss her,
Speaker 2: you know, and I wouldn't just make a move. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't make a move. I wasn't like I'm going to
Speaker 2: and fucking just do it because the moment has struck me.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, is this okay? Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: it seems like I should, but it's like in the moment,
Speaker 2: i'd be like, before I do this, just one quick.
Speaker 2: I'm not like mister consent or anything. I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to be like I'm so progressive. I'm just saying like
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not mister.
Speaker 3: Not mystery, I'm mister.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying it wasn't like, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: got to get the verbal yet, you know. It's just
Speaker 2: more like I don't know. This could go bad, Like
Speaker 2: this person could really not want me to kiss them.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I'm just thinking like when I
Speaker 2: think of entitlement, I think of like somebody was telling
Speaker 2: me a story the other day about about somebody they
Speaker 2: worked with who was like sexually harassing them and sending
Speaker 2: them these like crazy messages, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: there was like this slightly older man, you know, sending
Speaker 2: these messages to a woman. And I was like, and
Speaker 2: it was a getting completely inappropriate, totally out of context,
Speaker 2: totally like you know, basically criminal as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't, I don't really know.
Speaker 2: I can't not tap into the sense the feeling that
Speaker 2: I could just do that to a person, that there
Speaker 2: was any reason why I would do that. I find
Speaker 2: it unusual to feel like the idea that you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, I mean, I've taught people told me, when
Speaker 2: women have told me they're like, oh yeah, like guys
Speaker 2: little like grab my ass on the street or something.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's crazy to me. That seems crazy, But
Speaker 2: it is interesting. I guess the flip side perhaps or
Speaker 2: some part of that whatever that entitlement is. Speaking of entitlement,
Speaker 2: it's the kind of male privilege entitlement about how they can.
Speaker 3: Be with women.
Speaker 2: But in a way you're saying that Karen is the
Speaker 2: inverse to that. It is the reaction to the losing
Speaker 2: of some part of that kind of attention. Nothing, it's
Speaker 2: all nothing, all like harassment. No, but but there is
Speaker 2: a but there is a an element to that treatment
Speaker 2: that is like because they are young and pretty and
Speaker 2: white often right, I mean, it's like not purely sexual,
Speaker 2: but certainly a kind of like undercurrent of wanting to
Speaker 2: win favor with sex pretty lady, yeah, sex appeal.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'll tell you I had another less fun epiphany.
Speaker 1: But Siah, exactly what you're talking about here, lay it on.
Speaker 4: Me as soon as I became an actual adult, like
Speaker 4: my frontal lobe finish developing. Yeah, cat calling dropped ninety percent.
Speaker 1: Really, and I had.
Speaker 4: I've been physically assaulted, I've had you know, the guys
Speaker 4: grab your ass et cetera, like random guys on the street.
Speaker 1: I've had. I've lived all of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and once I became like an adult who could
Speaker 4: be like a consenting adult to this, you know, I
Speaker 4: mean it's we all know what it is. They're just
Speaker 4: being predatory. They don't actually want to find a woman
Speaker 4: who's like turned on by that and wants sex with
Speaker 4: them in return. But but no, once you become an
Speaker 4: adult adult, men stop this. Like what we now know
Speaker 4: is like a charade of.
Speaker 1: Like, hey, I'm just hey, I'm just putting it out there.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you're not. You're going after little girls.
Speaker 3: Do you think do you think sorry? Do you say
Speaker 3: you think it's that.
Speaker 2: It's maturity that now is like that's no longer appealing
Speaker 2: to that particular strain of dude. Or is it that
Speaker 2: your demeanor change in a way that made you less
Speaker 2: that made them less likely to respond like that? No?
Speaker 4: No, no, when you're a young girl, your demeanor is fear,
Speaker 4: or at least for me, you know. It's like it's
Speaker 4: not like I was walking around Nightmare at like sixteen
Speaker 4: and that's why they went for me. It's like, no,
Speaker 4: I looked terrified.
Speaker 2: Let me be clear, sorry, let me.
Speaker 1: Did I look tough once I got old?
Speaker 2: Saying that like maybe you know that, yeah, that you
Speaker 2: got you toughened up as you got older, and it
Speaker 2: was less, you know, it was like more intimidating to
Speaker 2: the guys who might who might otherwise, you know, respond
Speaker 2: that way to somebody who's younger. You know.
Speaker 4: Now, I've been wearing like four layers of winter clothes
Speaker 4: in a blizzard and had a guy yell at me.
Speaker 3: From his Interesting, that's interesting, That's what you know. Something.
Speaker 2: I was walking down the street the other day speaking
Speaker 2: of cat calling, and there were these two very good
Speaker 2: looking guys walking together, and a guy came by on
Speaker 2: a bike and he was like, oh yes, daddy. He's
Speaker 2: like yes to both of you daddies, like literally just
Speaker 2: like that as he cruised by, and I was like,
Speaker 2: first of all, I was like, for a second when
Speaker 2: he said oh yes, daddy, I was like, is he
Speaker 2: talking to me for just one little moment, I was like,
Speaker 2: is this guy hitting on me on his city bike?
Speaker 2: He wasn't, because there were beautiful muscular men walking past me,
Speaker 2: but two guys who were definitely daddy in question anyhow.
Speaker 2: But I have never been fucking cat called. I have
Speaker 2: no idea what the experience is like. It'd be different
Speaker 2: for me than it is for you. Obviously. Even if
Speaker 2: it were a big burly man and I got cat called,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, that's pretty flattering, I have to say,
Speaker 2: I feel because I'm not walking around it. I haven't
Speaker 2: walked around in fear of predators my whole life, obviously.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe I don't even said this before on
Speaker 2: the podcast. I don't know, I just think it would
Speaker 2: be nice, you know, Like, I don't know what it's like.
Speaker 2: I'm a you know, as a man, and you know,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't sound like a John Hamm type of guy.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not like a Brad Pitt, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm more like a.
Speaker 3: I'm more like a.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like a Jene Wilder kind you know,
Speaker 2: more Gene Wilder kind of character. You know. Uh So,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's like for someone to aggressively
Speaker 2: sexually pursue me, and uh, I'm not complaining, Well maybe
Speaker 2: I am. I mean, I guess it sounds like it
Speaker 2: could be scary. Obviously for a woman, it sounds like
Speaker 2: a horrible experience. Wilder, it might be a very nice experience.
Speaker 4: They're not actually sexually pursuing you. They are trying to
Speaker 4: scare you.
Speaker 2: I like how I like how you're you seem a
Speaker 2: little at Matt, like agitated about the fact that these
Speaker 2: guys aren't aren't willing to follow through on their on
Speaker 2: their cat call, like they won't take you on a tape.
Speaker 1: Well, if if it.
Speaker 4: Was, then it would it wouldn't mean that they were
Speaker 4: like targeting vulnerable populations.
Speaker 3: You're saying, right, you're saying that there's a scenario where
Speaker 3: somebody's like, hey, baby, why don't you bring that over
Speaker 3: here or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know what a cat call sounds like, but
Speaker 2: maybe something like that, and then the woman's like all right,
Speaker 2: and then they're like, hey, like what are you doing
Speaker 2: Friday night? And you think that, like, is that's a
Speaker 2: thing that might happen. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: I have seen actually I've seen a woman do that
Speaker 4: on the subway to a man and get his number.
Speaker 1: I have seen that.
Speaker 2: Of course a woman can do it. A woman has
Speaker 2: followed through. Yes, he's not doing it like a man.
Speaker 4: So I do think that that would be a better
Speaker 4: than what it actually is. But you've got to go
Speaker 4: and we can talk about this.
Speaker 2: I had to have to go, But I think to recap,
Speaker 2: it's hot, it's summer's not over. You may be through
Speaker 2: with the with the summer, but the summer is not
Speaker 2: through with you. Cat Calling is largely bad unless you're me,
Speaker 2: in which case he would be a compliment and a
Speaker 2: wonder for pleasure to experience. I just want to make
Speaker 2: sure I've got all of it. Oh and the BlackBerry
Speaker 2: movie is pretty good and I should check it out.
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a great round.
Speaker 2: Great, it's a lot of food for thought. You know,
Speaker 2: I have a lot to think about.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, you know Karens.
Speaker 2: That's just Karens. Yeah right. Your grand unified theory of Karens,
Speaker 2: which I think is actually perhaps the most important takeaway
Speaker 2: from this show, is that you have solved You actually
Speaker 2: have maybe figured out how we can stop Karens. From
Speaker 2: being produced in society, which is, we need to be way, way,
Speaker 2: way nicer to women, no matter what age they are
Speaker 2: and no matter how they look. We should be nice
Speaker 2: to women and help them out and remember their names.
Speaker 2: In fact, I'll just expand that to people. We should
Speaker 2: be nice to people and remember who they are and
Speaker 2: treat them with kindness and respect, and then nobody will
Speaker 2: become an entitled maniac who yells at a target employee
Speaker 2: because she has to wear a mask.
Speaker 4: We should treat all people with kindness and respect, regardless
Speaker 4: of their physical.
Speaker 3: Appearance, unless they have a swastika tattoo.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's the one exception, unless they're like a
Speaker 2: one of these guys with the swastika tattoo who's.
Speaker 3: Now seen the error of their way formed and his reform.
Speaker 2: Is actually like and actually loves Jews and black people like.
Speaker 2: Because if that person, we should embrace and say you
Speaker 2: did it. You've you've overcome your your bad upbringing or
Speaker 2: whatever cause you to become an autot.
Speaker 1: Do you want to wish anything to the listeners?
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I hope that they don't end up
Speaker 2: in a situation. What I'd say is, like you know
Speaker 2: obviously you.
Speaker 1: Know I'm seeing up your sign off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, I know, obviously that is our show.
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with more What Future, and
Speaker 2: I won't be on the phone, but what I might
Speaker 2: and I what I wish for people is is is
Speaker 2: not the very best, but I my wish is that
Speaker 2: they they never end up in a situation where they
Speaker 2: have to record a podcast and they they've left their
Speaker 2: podcast microphone at home because it's obviously embarrassing and Bushley
Speaker 2: an amateur hour. And and I wouldn't want anybody to
Speaker 2: have an egg on their face quite the way I
Speaker 2: do right now. Is that an expression egg on your
Speaker 2: face is not a thing that people say.
Speaker 3: Huh huh.
Speaker 2: Okay. I would like to explore that for the next
Speaker 2: episode of What Future, I'd like to do a deep.
Speaker 3: Dive on the egg on your face expression and what
Speaker 3: it really means.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, Okay, goodbye bye.