1 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Hello, Lyra, Yes, Josh. 2 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: I have some sort of bad news. Are you sitting 3 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: Are you sitting down always? Oh? 4 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 3: Really, that's weird. Always sitting down. 5 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: That seems like I'll be honest, that seems like too much. 6 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Sitting at my desk, come at work. 7 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I'm not 8 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: a physician. I'm not a physical therapist. I'm not even 9 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: a chiropractor, although I think I could be with a 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: minimal amount of training. 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: From what I understand. But anyhow, I am in a 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 3: hotel room. 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: I've been traveling and I did not bring I'm so dumb. 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: I'm so very stupid that I didn't bring any of 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: my recording equipment. And so I don't know if if 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: we can do this via phone call, but I offer 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: to you the opportunity, frankly, the gift really to do 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: this pod, this episode of What Future via the telephone 19 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: is that? Is that an an? 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 4: Well, you know what's incredible is that I had a 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: feeling and I've been recording this whole call. 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: You're recording. 23 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: Well, I did tell you that I was maybe not 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: going to be able to I mean I sort of 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: and I feel like I gave hinted. 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: At least it is you're spoiling to magic. 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to stay. 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: I mean, is that a little too I feel like 29 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: that's a little too fortuitous that you have to be recording. 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: Okay, we plan to record this. No, sorry, no fun. 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: Nobody gets to have any fun. 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 33 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: Fine, Okay, you're a genius. 34 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: You knew I was gonna fucking not have my mic 35 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: with me, and you decide to record this, and it's 36 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,279 Speaker 2: all my fault. Yeah, that this is going to sound 37 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: slightly less good than the other podcast I do. 38 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of fun to have a phone call. 39 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: I love having phone calls. I love talking on the phone. 40 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: I love talking, actually, and I wish I could do 41 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: more of it. 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: I wish all I could do is talk. I wish 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: I just had to talk. 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: I wish that none of the other stuff that goes around, 45 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: like the talking had to exist, like you know, after 46 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: I talk. I don't want to have to execute on 47 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: any of the things I've said. You know, in business, 48 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: a lot of the time I'll be like we should 49 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: do X, you know, and then people are like, that's 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: a great idea, and then I have to go do it. 51 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: You know what would be great is if it were 52 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: like we should do X, and then I just can leave, 53 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: just walk away, and it just happens. I suppose that's 54 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: like what people at the very top do. Like Jeff Bezos, 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: He's like, why don't He's like, why don't we make 56 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: a book? And they're like, all right, Jeff, and then 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: they make the kindle you're seen. Have you ever seen 58 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: the first kindle? It? 59 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: I remember when people had it. 60 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: But it's a completely deranged looking device. I mean, first off, 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: it is. The design of it is completely weird. It's 62 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: super angular, It has a keyboard, uh you know, it 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: has a weird strip, a thing that's like a strip 64 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: that you use to scroll on it. 65 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: It's a bizarre device. 66 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: Anyhow, Bezos maybe it's like that because he said that 67 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: and then he left the room and Noboby. 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 3: People are like, will you just do whatever? 69 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: Anyhow? 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: That's did you watch the BlackBerry movie? 71 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: I didn't, But when when I was at the when 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: I was, you know, running the Verge. Actually, not that 73 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: long after we started it, we had a writer of 74 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: ours write a huge story about sort of the rise 75 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: and fall of BlackBerry, which was that what BlackBerry is 76 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: no I don't think so, I don't. I don't believe 77 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: it is. Actually I don't know. I haven't seen it. 78 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: Maybe they've stolen the wholesale see from our story, but I. 79 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: Think it says it's based on a book on a book. 80 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen it, but I'm surprised to hear so. 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of people say it's good, and 82 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: I'm surprised. I have to admit, it's the kind of 83 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: movie that I looked at and I was like, this. 84 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: Will not be a good movie. No one wants to 85 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: see this movie. 86 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I can imagine myself enjoying it because I'm 87 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: a huge fucking nerd. But I've heard, on more than 88 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: one occasion from more than one person who isn't necessarily 89 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: a huge fucking nerd, that it's very entertaining. 90 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 4: It's a sleeper hit, it's got good. It's a critical. 91 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Darling, is it? 92 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: Who could have seen that coming? I mean that's crazy. 93 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: I mean I like J. 94 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 4: Baruchell Brukel Baruke him and Glenn Howardton. 95 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 96 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: See the thing that bothers me is that he J. J. 97 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: Brukews. 98 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: That's how I say it. 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 2: It looks like he's wearing. He just looks like he's 100 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: super young. But he's wearing a gray wig like in 101 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: the scenes I've seen from the trailer. 102 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: That's true, And. 103 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: It's like kind of bothers me because it's like, because's 104 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: supposed to be an older guy because he looks like 105 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: he's like seventeen. 106 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 4: Well, Glenn Howardton's bald cap two is pretty silly. 107 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, anyhow, so I don't know, you know, what's going 108 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: on in the world, what's going on. 109 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: Summer's over, right, I mean, that's it. The summer's dead, 110 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: you know. 111 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: But then you know, it's funny because God, you know 112 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: who I believe in, and is definitely controlling the weather. 113 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: God had other plans for us, you know, you thought 114 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: you know that, you know the famous they famously say, 115 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: you may be done with the past, with the past 116 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: is done with you. That's sort of how I feel 117 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: about the weather. You know, you may be done with 118 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: the weather, but the weather is not done with you. 119 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: And we all thought, hey, summer's over, it's time to experience. 120 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: Well you didn't think this because you live in Los Angeles, 121 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: so for you, it's always summer, which is wonderful, but 122 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: or horrible, depending on how you feel about summer. But 123 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: here on the East Coast, where the elites live, where 124 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: the elite, the educated elites live and operate, where all 125 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: of the elites control all of the world's banking and 126 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: and higher education institutions. Anyhow, it's very hot now, you know, 127 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: it's hot. It's very warm. And you know, people say 128 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: it's boring to talk about the weather, and maybe they're right, 129 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 2: you know, maybe those people are onto something. 130 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: Anyhow, So what is there to talk about the weather? 131 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: I mean, it is interested, you. 132 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: Have to admit, I mean, of all the things you 133 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: might discuss, is it is kind of important? Right? 134 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: Do I have to admit that? 135 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: I mean, I think one has to admit the weather 136 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: is as especially as of late, very interesting. 137 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 4: Okay, that is true. I did spend a lot of 138 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 4: time reading about the hurricane. 139 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know, I don't know do we 140 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: even consider the wildfire's weather? Are they their weather related? Right? 141 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: I mean the wildfires are happening because of like dry heat, right. 142 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: So you know New York was like covered in a 143 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: red smog for like multiple days. You couldn't breathe outside. 144 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: And you know, that's a pretty interesting phenomenon. I think 145 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: that's like worth talking about anyhow. The point is the 146 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: weather is a topic that people can talk about. It's 147 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: certainly something that's been on my mind right now. It's 148 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: it's ninety. I don't know why you're laughing at me. 149 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: This is all very serious and important to uff. It's 150 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: eighty not no, I'm just like. 151 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: The idea of offering weather as a topic. 152 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: I just think they've heard. 153 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: Oh you think you don't think they need buy approval, Yeah, 154 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: saying I don't need to put my stamp of approval 155 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: on the topic of the weather is a conversation. 156 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 4: But you know what, it's nice and reassuring because people 157 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 4: often talk down about it as a topic. 158 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: I think we go through life not being entirely sure 159 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: of ourselves about a lot of things. And I think 160 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: sometimes you might bring up the weather and you start 161 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: talking about it, and then that little voice inside your 162 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: head that talks to you while you're talking. 163 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: Does everybody have that? I certainly do. 164 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: It starts to go, starts to go. Man, this sounds 165 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: fucking stupid, and you sound like the most boring person 166 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: in the world talking about like that it's going to 167 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: rain later today or whatever. But I think people need 168 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: to be they need to be reassured, and they need 169 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: to know that it's okay and that that voy is wrong. 170 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: That voice is the only time that voice is right 171 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: is when it tells you to kill people because you 172 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: need to do Satan's bidding. That's the only time you 173 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 2: should ever listen to that voice, in my opinion, And uh, 174 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: you know, have. 175 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: You I'm curious have you had any epiphanies lately? 176 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: Epiphanies? A weird question have you had any any epiphanies lately? 177 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: Is like have any miracles happened to you recently? That's 178 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: like like have you win the lot Have you won 179 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 2: the lottery recently? Because had any miracles happen? No, I 180 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: would say my life recently has been a series of 181 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: reverse miracles, uh whatever, whatever. Those would be called traged tragedies, 182 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: miniature tragedies, little micro tragedies, which is a new thing 183 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 2: that I just invented. It's like a microaggression, but it 184 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: is happening. It's happening to you, and it's personal, but 185 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: it's not that big of it. 186 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 4: It's like what I some I've said this before at 187 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 4: work because I didn't want people to panic. But instead 188 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: of saying I have a family emergency, I've said I 189 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 4: have a family urgency. 190 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: Oh that's nice, that's really interesting. 191 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: I like to tell people I have a family emergency, 192 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: like even if it's not really an emergency, just to 193 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: see what kind of reaction I get out of them. 194 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: I'd like to see, like, I'd like to see how 195 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: they Some people want to Some people will engage with that. 196 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: Some people are like, I got to get how do 197 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: I get out of this as quickly as possible? 198 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: What's your favorite reaction? What do you want them to do? 199 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: I want people to I want to see concern. I 200 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: want to see people have that face like you know, 201 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: they don't know what it is. It could be a death, 202 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: It could be a car. 203 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: Accidents a word for this. 204 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 2: It could be marital distress. It could be your parents 205 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: are bothering you. It could be your parents somebody your 206 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: parents are sick, somebody's in the hospital. It could be 207 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: your child, is something wrong with your child, whatever it is, 208 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: it's terrible when you. 209 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 3: Say family emergency. 210 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: It could be somebody in your family is a terrible 211 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: alcoholic and you have to do an intervention. 212 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 3: You know that kind of stuff. I mean what goes 213 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: through your mind when somebody says family emergency. 214 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: What do you think? What's the first thing you say? Oh? 215 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: I think death? 216 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: Death. Yeah. 217 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: See, I don't think they'd say that. 218 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: I think they'd say I had a death in the family, 219 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: or they'd say my uncle died or. 220 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: Someone or someone is dying. 221 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 222 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: I guess like a family emergency, I guess you could 223 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: say that. 224 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 4: I guess that was just my last My last family 225 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 4: emergency was somebody was passing away. 226 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: Right, passing away. 227 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting term, passing away. I think 228 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: it's too soft of a term. I think we should 229 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: confront death directly. I think passing away sounds like actually 230 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 2: pretty pleasant, Like they passed away, you know, they floated 231 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: off into the ether. You know. One of the things 232 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: when you in journalism, you're not supposed to write in 233 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 2: like a headliner or a story like somebody passed away. 234 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: That's like this weird editorializing about death. Right, you're supposed 235 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: to say they died. Like you look at the New 236 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: York Times. They don't write so and so passed away. 237 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: They write so and so died. That's the journalistically sound 238 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 2: way to do it. It's just a fact. Sure, right, 239 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: there's just no it's funny. I'm talking about death earlier 240 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: with someone I was saying. I was talking to a 241 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: friend of mine and she was something that she had 242 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 2: bought a very expensive bag and then decides to return 243 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 2: it and then couldn't return it. And she was like, 244 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: why did I buy this bag anyhow? And I was like, oh, 245 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: because you're trying to escape the thought of death, you know. 246 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: And then I went into this whole spiel about it. 247 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: And I can't remember some very important philosopher I was 248 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: talking about this or I was reading it. You know 249 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: that everything that we do in life, literally everything is 250 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 2: like basically an attempt at diverting our attention away from 251 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: the inevitability of death. And like every literally everything, like 252 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: the way we form societies, like having kids, like buying 253 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: a bag, you know, doing whatever, it's all and you know, 254 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: it kind of checks out, like like it checks out 255 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: to me, Like I think no one wants to sit 256 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: around and think about their demise. They want to be 257 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: like I need new shoes, or I should have a 258 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: child or whatever people think. I don't know. I don't 259 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: know what people think because I'm not I'm not in 260 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: that group. I'm not in the group of people. I'm 261 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: outside that group. I'm pressed up against the glass looking 262 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: at the people, wondering what are the people doing? And 263 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: I'm on the other side. Who's with me? 264 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. 265 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: It's a weird scene. Actually, where am I? Why is 266 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: there glass there at all? A lot of unanswered questions 267 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: in this scenario. But the point is, I guess I 268 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: don't feel like I'm in touch with my fellow humans 269 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 2: lately the way I used to. You know, do you 270 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: ever feel that? 271 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 272 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: I mean I feel like you feel alienated from humanity 273 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: and society. 274 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty often. 275 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's weird. That's a weird feeling. I don't know anyhow. 276 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: So, Yeah, it's hot outside, very hot. Death is imminent 277 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: and upon us everywhere. Now that I think of it, 278 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: should we pause? Of course? I never listened to the show, 279 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: But what I've been told is that the show has 280 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: commercial breaks in it. So do we need to stop 281 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: and then start again? 282 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: I think so, and we should do that. I had 283 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: an epiphany recently. 284 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: Oh you hadn't all you have to have had any epiphanies. 285 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 2: Let me here, let me hear about your epiphany. I 286 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: I had. I have not had my No, I've had 287 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 2: no epiphanies. And if anything, my mind has been very 288 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 2: cloudy lately, very very muddled, very unable to discern answers. 289 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 3: But tell me about your epiphany. 290 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: So I was at Starbucks, okay, and a woman came in. 291 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 2: She was. 292 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 4: Of the Karen ilk Oh Karen. You know she physically, 293 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: you know, appeared as a Karen. 294 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: She had one of those weird like Rod Stewart haircuts 295 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 2: or something or you. 296 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: Know, close close to you know, I tense stuff. 297 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, she came in. 298 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 4: She came in hot, She walked straight to the register. 299 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 4: She had something to say, and I kind of like. 300 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: You know, you're like, here we go. 301 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, she was like I called, I got big long thing. 302 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 4: She had a big order. She you know, had expectations 303 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 4: and she was laying it all out. And the young 304 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 4: man said, oh, Susanne, yeah, I remember you something something, 305 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 4: and the woman's face, like her entire demeanor melted away, 306 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: and she said, you remembered my name. And I realized 307 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 4: that when young white women are you know, young, pretty 308 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 4: prime of their life, attractive, they get all this special attention. 309 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 4: Pretty privileged guys remember their names they use it in conversation. 310 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 4: They get this kind of you know, this this little perk. 311 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 4: These they get these talks all. 312 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: The time, yeah perk, And they get them. 313 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 4: Because it's just nothing that they've done. It's just the 314 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 4: way they look. Because you know, we. 315 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: Live in a culturist society. 316 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 4: We have our white privileged society that is exacerbated when 317 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: you're a young pretty girl, right, and as they get 318 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 4: older and they lose those special young white girl privileges, 319 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 4: people in service especially aren't like meeting their expectations. 320 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: They harden. 321 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: You're saying, this causes them to. 322 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 4: Harden, and they get upset and they're not even necessarily 323 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: mad at the person. They're mad that like they've lost 324 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: this thing that they could never quite put their finger on. 325 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 4: They've always been given this special treatment and now it's 326 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 4: gone and they're mad. And I think that's how a 327 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: Karen is born. 328 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: That's interesting, that's the epiphany you had. You think you've 329 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: got to solve the Karen riddle. I mean that is interesting. Yeah, 330 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: I mean I think there's something interesting about that theory. 331 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there are societal forces that act on 332 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: a Karen to create that. You know, it's not just 333 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: born out of nothing. I do have to wonder if 334 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: it's not more a manifestation of a sense of entitlement 335 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: generally than a specific losing of that entitlement, although it 336 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: does kind of it does kind of map to what 337 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: you're saying, in the sense that, like, if you've been 338 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: treated special because you're like, you know, even like a 339 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: reasonably attractive young white woman or whatever people are, you know, 340 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: society has been arranged to kind of like be especially 341 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: nice to you, and then suddenly you're not that anymore. 342 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: You've aged. I guess you're saying it's someone who's aged 343 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: and they now have been perhaps getting a treatment that 344 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: doesn't feel as special. I guess that could bring that 345 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: entitlement out of the person further. 346 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. 347 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: I'm the kind of person who rarely, if ever feel 348 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: entitled to anything. And you know, when I was dating, 349 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: I would ask the girl if I could kiss her, 350 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: you know, and I wouldn't just make a move. I 351 00:16:58,440 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: wouldn't make a move. I wasn't like I'm going to 352 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: and fucking just do it because the moment has struck me. 353 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: I'd be like, is this okay? Like I don't know, 354 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: it seems like I should, but it's like in the moment, 355 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: i'd be like, before I do this, just one quick. 356 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: I'm not like mister consent or anything. I'm not trying 357 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: to be like I'm so progressive. I'm just saying like 358 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not mister. 359 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: Not mystery, I'm mister. 360 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: But I'm saying it wasn't like, oh my god, I 361 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: got to get the verbal yet, you know. It's just 362 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: more like I don't know. This could go bad, Like 363 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: this person could really not want me to kiss them. 364 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: So I don't know. I'm just thinking like when I 365 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: think of entitlement, I think of like somebody was telling 366 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: me a story the other day about about somebody they 367 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: worked with who was like sexually harassing them and sending 368 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 2: them these like crazy messages, and I was like, you know, 369 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: there was like this slightly older man, you know, sending 370 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: these messages to a woman. And I was like, and 371 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: it was a getting completely inappropriate, totally out of context, 372 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: totally like you know, basically criminal as far as I'm concerned. 373 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't, I don't really know. 374 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: I can't not tap into the sense the feeling that 375 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: I could just do that to a person, that there 376 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: was any reason why I would do that. I find 377 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 2: it unusual to feel like the idea that you know, 378 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: it's like, I mean, I've taught people told me, when 379 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: women have told me they're like, oh yeah, like guys 380 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: little like grab my ass on the street or something. 381 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's crazy to me. That seems crazy, But 382 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: it is interesting. I guess the flip side perhaps or 383 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: some part of that whatever that entitlement is. Speaking of entitlement, 384 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 2: it's the kind of male privilege entitlement about how they can. 385 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: Be with women. 386 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: But in a way you're saying that Karen is the 387 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: inverse to that. It is the reaction to the losing 388 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: of some part of that kind of attention. Nothing, it's 389 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: all nothing, all like harassment. No, but but there is 390 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: a but there is a an element to that treatment 391 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: that is like because they are young and pretty and 392 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: white often right, I mean, it's like not purely sexual, 393 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: but certainly a kind of like undercurrent of wanting to 394 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 2: win favor with sex pretty lady, yeah, sex appeal. 395 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'll tell you I had another less fun epiphany. 396 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: But Siah, exactly what you're talking about here, lay it on. 397 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 4: Me as soon as I became an actual adult, like 398 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 4: my frontal lobe finish developing. Yeah, cat calling dropped ninety percent. 399 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: Really, and I had. 400 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 4: I've been physically assaulted, I've had you know, the guys 401 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 4: grab your ass et cetera, like random guys on the street. 402 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: I've had. I've lived all of that. 403 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, and once I became like an adult who could 404 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 4: be like a consenting adult to this, you know, I 405 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: mean it's we all know what it is. They're just 406 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 4: being predatory. They don't actually want to find a woman 407 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: who's like turned on by that and wants sex with 408 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: them in return. But but no, once you become an 409 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 4: adult adult, men stop this. Like what we now know 410 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 4: is like a charade of. 411 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: Like, hey, I'm just hey, I'm just putting it out there. 412 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: Baby. 413 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: It's like, no, you're not. You're going after little girls. 414 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 3: Do you think do you think sorry? Do you say 415 00:19:58,920 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: you think it's that. 416 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: It's maturity that now is like that's no longer appealing 417 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: to that particular strain of dude. Or is it that 418 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: your demeanor change in a way that made you less 419 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: that made them less likely to respond like that? No? 420 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 4: No, no, when you're a young girl, your demeanor is fear, 421 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 4: or at least for me, you know. It's like it's 422 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: not like I was walking around Nightmare at like sixteen 423 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 4: and that's why they went for me. It's like, no, 424 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 4: I looked terrified. 425 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: Let me be clear, sorry, let me. 426 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: Did I look tough once I got old? 427 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: Saying that like maybe you know that, yeah, that you 428 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: got you toughened up as you got older, and it 429 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: was less, you know, it was like more intimidating to 430 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 2: the guys who might who might otherwise, you know, respond 431 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: that way to somebody who's younger. You know. 432 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 4: Now, I've been wearing like four layers of winter clothes 433 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: in a blizzard and had a guy yell at me. 434 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 3: From his Interesting, that's interesting, That's what you know. Something. 435 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: I was walking down the street the other day speaking 436 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 2: of cat calling, and there were these two very good 437 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: looking guys walking together, and a guy came by on 438 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,239 Speaker 2: a bike and he was like, oh yes, daddy. He's 439 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 2: like yes to both of you daddies, like literally just 440 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: like that as he cruised by, and I was like, 441 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 2: first of all, I was like, for a second when 442 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: he said oh yes, daddy, I was like, is he 443 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: talking to me for just one little moment, I was like, 444 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 2: is this guy hitting on me on his city bike? 445 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: He wasn't, because there were beautiful muscular men walking past me, 446 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: but two guys who were definitely daddy in question anyhow. 447 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: But I have never been fucking cat called. I have 448 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: no idea what the experience is like. It'd be different 449 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: for me than it is for you. Obviously. Even if 450 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: it were a big burly man and I got cat called, 451 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: I'd be like, that's pretty flattering, I have to say, 452 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: I feel because I'm not walking around it. I haven't 453 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: walked around in fear of predators my whole life, obviously. 454 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: You know, maybe I don't even said this before on 455 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 2: the podcast. I don't know, I just think it would 456 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: be nice, you know, Like, I don't know what it's like. 457 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 2: I'm a you know, as a man, and you know, 458 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: I wouldn't sound like a John Hamm type of guy. 459 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not like a Brad Pitt, you know, 460 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm more like a. 461 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: I'm more like a. 462 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, like a Jene Wilder kind you know, 463 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 2: more Gene Wilder kind of character. You know. Uh So, 464 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what it's like for someone to aggressively 465 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: sexually pursue me, and uh, I'm not complaining, Well maybe 466 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: I am. I mean, I guess it sounds like it 467 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: could be scary. Obviously for a woman, it sounds like 468 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: a horrible experience. Wilder, it might be a very nice experience. 469 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 4: They're not actually sexually pursuing you. They are trying to 470 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 4: scare you. 471 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: I like how I like how you're you seem a 472 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: little at Matt, like agitated about the fact that these 473 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: guys aren't aren't willing to follow through on their on 474 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: their cat call, like they won't take you on a tape. 475 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: Well, if if it. 476 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 4: Was, then it would it wouldn't mean that they were 477 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 4: like targeting vulnerable populations. 478 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: You're saying, right, you're saying that there's a scenario where 479 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 3: somebody's like, hey, baby, why don't you bring that over 480 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: here or whatever. 481 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 2: I don't know what a cat call sounds like, but 482 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: maybe something like that, and then the woman's like all right, 483 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: and then they're like, hey, like what are you doing 484 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: Friday night? And you think that, like, is that's a 485 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 2: thing that might happen. It doesn't happen. 486 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 4: I have seen actually I've seen a woman do that 487 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 4: on the subway to a man and get his number. 488 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: I have seen that. 489 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: Of course a woman can do it. A woman has 490 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: followed through. Yes, he's not doing it like a man. 491 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 4: So I do think that that would be a better 492 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 4: than what it actually is. But you've got to go 493 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 4: and we can talk about this. 494 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: I had to have to go, But I think to recap, 495 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: it's hot, it's summer's not over. You may be through 496 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: with the with the summer, but the summer is not 497 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 2: through with you. Cat Calling is largely bad unless you're me, 498 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 2: in which case he would be a compliment and a 499 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: wonder for pleasure to experience. I just want to make 500 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: sure I've got all of it. Oh and the BlackBerry 501 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: movie is pretty good and I should check it out. 502 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying? 503 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a great round. 504 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 2: Great, it's a lot of food for thought. You know, 505 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: I have a lot to think about. 506 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: Oh, well, you know Karens. 507 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: That's just Karens. Yeah right. Your grand unified theory of Karens, 508 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: which I think is actually perhaps the most important takeaway 509 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 2: from this show, is that you have solved You actually 510 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: have maybe figured out how we can stop Karens. From 511 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: being produced in society, which is, we need to be way, way, 512 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 2: way nicer to women, no matter what age they are 513 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: and no matter how they look. We should be nice 514 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: to women and help them out and remember their names. 515 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 2: In fact, I'll just expand that to people. We should 516 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: be nice to people and remember who they are and 517 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 2: treat them with kindness and respect, and then nobody will 518 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: become an entitled maniac who yells at a target employee 519 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: because she has to wear a mask. 520 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 4: We should treat all people with kindness and respect, regardless 521 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 4: of their physical. 522 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: Appearance, unless they have a swastika tattoo. 523 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's the one exception, unless they're like a 524 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: one of these guys with the swastika tattoo who's. 525 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: Now seen the error of their way formed and his reform. 526 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: Is actually like and actually loves Jews and black people like. 527 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: Because if that person, we should embrace and say you 528 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: did it. You've you've overcome your your bad upbringing or 529 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: whatever cause you to become an autot. 530 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: Do you want to wish anything to the listeners? 531 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I hope that they don't end up 532 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: in a situation. What I'd say is, like you know 533 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: obviously you. 534 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: Know I'm seeing up your sign off. 535 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, I know, obviously that is our show. 536 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with more What Future, and 537 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: I won't be on the phone, but what I might 538 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 2: and I what I wish for people is is is 539 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: not the very best, but I my wish is that 540 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: they they never end up in a situation where they 541 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: have to record a podcast and they they've left their 542 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 2: podcast microphone at home because it's obviously embarrassing and Bushley 543 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: an amateur hour. And and I wouldn't want anybody to 544 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: have an egg on their face quite the way I 545 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: do right now. Is that an expression egg on your 546 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: face is not a thing that people say. 547 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 3: Huh huh. 548 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: Okay. I would like to explore that for the next 549 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: episode of What Future, I'd like to do a deep. 550 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 3: Dive on the egg on your face expression and what 551 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 3: it really means. 552 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: Okay, great, Okay, goodbye bye.