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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. Welcome stuff. I never

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Speaker 1: told your prediction by heart radio.

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Speaker 2: And today we're featuring a delightful documentary rom com as

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Speaker 2: I call it titled Patrise, the movie I was telling

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Speaker 2: Annie because I was in charge of this outline today.

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Speaker 2: A Peek behind the curtain is everywhere. I take it

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Speaker 2: everywhere because the style is first of all, it's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I had a lot of emotions, a lot of anger,

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Speaker 2: loved all the friends. Like it's a lot, so I

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Speaker 2: hope you can keep up with us and my mindset

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Speaker 2: in this movie, as in like how my mind works.

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Speaker 2: You're kind of seeing because I was. It was one

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Speaker 2: of those moments of like I wanted to talk about everything.

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Speaker 2: I had a lot of emotions. My partner and I

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Speaker 2: watched it. We both were in tears a couple of

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Speaker 2: times because we were kind of like frustrated with them. It's

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Speaker 2: a lot, but it is a twenty twenty four movie,

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Speaker 2: so spoiler alert in it. I guess worth the watch.

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Speaker 2: It is on Hulu. You should not a sponsor currently,

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Speaker 2: but it is again a delightful movie. Worth the watch,

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Speaker 2: worth getting those numbers up. I hope they get a

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Speaker 2: lot of views for this movie. This documentary was directed

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Speaker 2: by Ted Passen, who teamed up with Patricia Jetter to

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Speaker 2: tell her story with the help of her own work

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Speaker 2: and writing art and her friends. Here's a bit from

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Speaker 2: their site from is patristhemovie dot com. So Patrise' the

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Speaker 2: movie is part of a disability rebrand in the tradition

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Speaker 2: of films like cryptcamp Fire Through Dry Glass and I

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Speaker 2: Didn't See You There, which seek to center stories of

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Speaker 2: disabled people and move the storytelling lens from the medical

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Speaker 2: model of disability to the social model. And y'all, if

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Speaker 2: you listen to our booklot, you know what we're talking

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Speaker 2: about with that. So go back to the book club.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's any good one.

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Speaker 2: It is a good one. You should also read that book.

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Speaker 2: We need to go back to our book clubs where

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Speaker 2: we were going to do actual book club style.

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Speaker 1: We would announce the book at the end so people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we need to try. We are

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Speaker 2: so bad at deciding don't write before. But anyway, yes,

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Speaker 2: with that. So Patrice was the lead production designer for

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Speaker 2: which is phenomenal. And the movie featured a disabled actors

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Speaker 2: to portray the disabled characters throughout, which again like they

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Speaker 2: That's the other part that it's very religional, and we

435
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 2: talk about these things as if it's bigger. We're not

436
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: trying to say, oh, are thank you. It's literally like no,

437
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: they're showing us this is their normal life and the

438
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: things that are holding them back are literally what governments

439
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: are not providing. Yeah, which would give them.

440
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: Money if she could have saved the money.

441
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: She loves her job, she wants to keep her job,

442
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 2: but she also makes you to have to make sure

443
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: she can't make over a certain amount to actually provide

444
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: for them. Because health care. Annie and I just talked

445
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 2: about our healthcare. We as people who are seen as

446
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: able bodied and pay their bills a lot. It pays

447
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: a lot of money in our insurants a lot. Only

448
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 2: we have so much debt already in the amount of

449
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: what we just for a regular doctor visit.

450
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: M yeah, it's absurd.

451
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: So I cannot imagine if you did not have this benefits.

452
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: And I thought I had to have medicine on a

453
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: constant or equipment on it constant, which I sudn't mind well.

454
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: And also like somebody, I mean somebody has already made

455
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: the comment to me, well, your insurance is going to

456
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: go up from just this one thing.

457
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: Right, And I was like.

458
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so, I I mean, yes, it's not. They were

459
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: living perfectly fine. The government was putting in all of

460
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: these obstacles to keep them from living. It's just to me,

461
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: it sounds so absurd. Yeah, they just want.

462
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: To live together, and what would be the status quo life,

463
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 2: Like what people want us to do.

464
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: They even say at one point, like what changes if

465
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: they get married? Why is it It's not like their disabilities.

466
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: Changed, right, They can't change exactly, Why taking it away? Right? Okay,

467
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: So when we say this, and and that's what's kind

468
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: of the point of the movie is like, know, the

469
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: only things that are holding ours bag is not out disabilities.

470
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 2: It's the fact that again we're not being treated as

471
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: human and provided the adequate care, which should be automatic.

472
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: Anyway back to but the friendships. Oh, I adored these friendships.

473
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: I adored these friendships. And there was a moment where

474
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: we are introduced to Elizabeth, who has been diagnosed with autism,

475
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: and she talks about, you know, her life and what

476
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: that looks like and having a lot of sensory things

477
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: and being very aware, very self aware of how she

478
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: functions and what she needs to do for those diagnoses.

479
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: She talked about the fact that in her childhood she

480
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: was diagnosed with bipolar and they wanted to institutionalize her,

481
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: but the parents were like, no, who are not doing

482
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,479
Speaker 2: that and was able to get a better diagnosis. So

483
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: she was really talking about how her parents helped her

484
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: out with all of that. And I'm telling you, she

485
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: was a real one the things that she was saying.

486
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 2: She was fighting and arguing like and I get it

487
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: because I get to this point in that same realm

488
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: of like, Okay, this doesn't make sense, this is injustice

489
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: that why would they do this? It just could not

490
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: grasp why things would be the way it was. And

491
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: I love that. We did have a moment in which

492
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: Elizabeth was very supportive of Patrice, especially with the car

493
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: stuff and understanding this is really important. This is something

494
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 2: that is going to make a break a lot of

495
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: her life decisions and a lot of the things that

496
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 2: she depends on. And at one point Patrice calls her

497
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: and talks to her and she's like, I'm so sorry

498
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 2: for making you do this. I know you that you

499
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 2: don't want to do this. Are we okay? And Elizabeth

500
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: is like, what, Yeah, I'm annoyed. I'm annoyed by like

501
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: having to touch sticky stuff and having to deal with this,

502
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: but and I'm frustrated that you can't get money and

503
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: that the people are holding you back and the government.

504
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm holding you back. I'm not mad at you. And

505
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: she has this quote that says, and this is what

506
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: Elizabeth said. She says, there shouldn't be contingencies and friendships

507
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: and oh my god, Elizabeth, why I did this is

508
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: kind of what I did. I was like, oh my god.

509
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: And at one point Patrice explains, you know, I've been

510
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: really scarred by pastoral relationships and that she's been told

511
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: that she's been she's too needy, and so she was

512
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: so scared that she was going to lose Elizabeth because

513
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: she thought she was being too needy. Why that moment

514
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: broke me a little bit.

515
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that.

516
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: I feel that I too.

517
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: I also have to say I loved I feel like

518
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: you don't. At least in my experience, you don't too

519
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: often get a realistic depiction of somebody who has that

520
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: type of autism. And they really showed it. And I'm

521
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: glad that they did. Because people have these sensory issues,

522
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: they have to go in the dark of whatever it is,

523
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: and that that's another thing that I think a lot

524
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: of people, able bottomed people misunderstand right, is they think

525
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: disability looks this one way. So I'm glad I really

526
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: appreciated that they showed that.

527
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she definitely had a moment where she

528
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: was like this too much is too loud, and she

529
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: was getting anxious and over the top that she had

530
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: to remove herself and go quiet in the room. And

531
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: she kind of explains it and she wasn't kind of

532
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: annoyed that she had to be in the dark room

533
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: by herself in a time that had to that was

534
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: to celebrate and plan for her best friend. But she

535
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: handled that well. She knew it, she knew what she

536
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: got and to that point, we have a conversation with

537
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: her and patrise again and Patresea's like, hey, I will

538
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: never put that put you in that position again. You're

539
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: worth doing these that she changes for. I'm so thankful

540
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: for you. We're good. Oh my godh god, this is actual.

541
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: There's the amount of communication that was happening. Was a

542
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: joy again, Elizabeth. I loved Elizabeth and that friend ship.

543
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: We're talking little because she's in and out, she's all

544
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: through this thing. But of course we also see the

545
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: difficulties with family. I kind of talked we kind of

546
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: talked about it at the beginning, about the relationship between

547
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: Patrese and Gary, and just also her relationship with her mother,

548
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: and she talks, she goes to real in depth about

549
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: the things that they went through, being really having derogatory

550
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: terms being yelled at her by her mom. She was

551
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: kind of surprised and couldn't figure out why that was

552
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 2: happening in some of the times, as well as her

553
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: relationship with her sister and you know, like wishing she

554
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: could be like her sister and could be around her

555
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: sister more. Then again, we hear Gary's relationship with his family. Again,

556
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: I think it was a little more complicated as well,

557
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: a lot of things, but he really loved them and

558
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: they really cared for him and was there for him.

559
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine losing your family or entire family, yeah,

560
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: in that way, but there was so much to that,

561
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: and then having their chosen family, like having of the

562
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: friend groups that really rally for them, the coming around,

563
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: eating the fruitcakes and all the all the stuff. I

564
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: love friendships of course. Like also we talk about like

565
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: the independence when it comes to this conversation about disabled

566
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: people's and again it makes it really hard for them

567
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: to be independent, not because they can't, it's because of

568
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: the like the roadblocks the government puts up, the society

569
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: puts up than anything else. She has a conversation about

570
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: her owning her first home when she was actually like

571
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: declared independent from her mother, which her mother kind of

572
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: fought her on, but she won that, and then with

573
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: that she was able to get a home because there

574
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: was a program I believe before the bush here and

575
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: then the Bush was like, yeah, these rights.

576
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: No take back my Yeah that's not what I meant.

577
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: Anyway, But before then she did. She was on that program,

578
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: was able to get the house, and she was so excited.

579
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: Everything was so great up until more roadblocks, and then

580
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: she needed to get a job in order to get

581
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: all these things because yes, the disability checks, surprise, they're

582
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: not enough for someone to truly live. Literally. We have

583
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: a moment of Gary being like, I paid all my bills,

584
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: I have fifty eight dollars. Okay, now I need the internet.

585
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: I got twenty dollars. I was like, oh my god,

586
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: And she was actually really happy about that.

587
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're trying to put together this commitment ceremony,

588
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: which we were all excited for because they have such

589
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: this beautiful relationship. I hear this fifty eight dollars number

590
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: and then the car breaks down, and it's just like.

591
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: Another why I have the memories of like having the

592
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: three jobs, living paycheck to paycheck and the anxiety that

593
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: just rows into my chest hearing those numbers. H and

594
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: I get it. And I was doing pretty good, doing

595
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: pretty good, and she's like, we do and I was like, yeah,

596
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: but back but trying to find independence. She does talk

597
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: about I love some of the things that she did

598
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: the minute she moved out, including she talks about I

599
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: had ice cream at four thirty am because I could.

600
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: I had ice cream for breakfast because I could, Like,

601
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: I had loud music on, I had friends over, Like

602
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: all of these things were quite like, Yeah, that's that

603
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: feeling of independence at first. Their moments where I'm like,

604
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: I'm an adult. I'm gonna eat cereal for dinner. No

605
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: one can tell me squat, I'm gonna eat ice cream

606
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: for lunch. I've done this y'all recently.

607
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: You know. It's a very I think a lot of

608
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: us can relate to this. When you move out and

609
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: you're like, you know what I'm gonna do and then

610
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: about a year later, you're like, uh.

611
00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: I can't live like this. She does talk about the

612
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: fact that she knew she had to get a job.

613
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: She was borrowing money. People are telling her, this is

614
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: what you chose, You got to do these things. So

615
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 2: she does. And this is what we were talked about earlier

616
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: when she was trying to get the school crossing guard

617
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: job and they kept selling her no, and other jobs

618
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: and they kept telling her no. She finally settled to

619
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: what was called a sheltered workshop, which I'm not gonna lie.

620
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: I don't think I knew much about this, which is

621
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: really unfortunate because my whole like grad paper was about

622
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: child labor, but it was international, so that's bad on me.

623
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: But sheltered workshops essentially they just hire you for minial

624
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: jobs with giving you pennies based on how much you do. Yeah,

625
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: and she called the sweatshops and I was like, you

626
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: know what, Yeah, you're not wrong.

627
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: She was assembling American flags well, by.

628
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: The way, yes, and the holidays or the big days

629
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: and a big push. And she talked about how some

630
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: days she would have fifty one dollars for a check

631
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: in some days it's seventy seven cents. I was like

632
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: what and the mh yeah. Yeah, so she didn't talk

633
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 2: about that. And then again her advocating for herself and

634
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: being able to be like, you know what, it's time,

635
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: Why can't I be a crossing guard? Let me do this.

636
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: Because it says specifically in the thing like no qualifications necessary.

637
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: There was like something in there that she was like

638
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: because they always asked her are you qualified, and she'd

639
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: be like, well, that's no qualifications necessary? Right, get out

640
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: why she went.

641
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: To the mayor you tell you. Here's the thing on

642
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: top of that too, though we talked we do talk

643
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 2: about job applications and we need to have more conversations

644
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: about there's about no experience needed, but then five years

645
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: of experience, but they want you to be newly graduated

646
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: and how does that happen?

647
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that whole process. We need to rethink that.

648
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: I think what people are because people are real tired

649
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 2: of these people having too much power. Yeah, anyway, moving on,

650
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: of course, another part of this is the marriage equality,

651
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: which we have been talking a lot about recently, started

652
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: last year when the listener kind of brought it to

653
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: our attention and thank you very much, and Andy did

654
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: a full episode, and we're back to it again talking

655
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: about Lori Long and the acts that they are trying

656
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: to push and with that, of course, this was a

657
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: big part of that conversation about to normalize disabled people

658
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: or people with disabilities wanting to be in loving relationships

659
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: like anybody else. Like that doesn't make sense that being

660
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: married should cost you benefits as in fact a lot

661
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: like people were getting married with children are getting a

662
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: lot of benefits, a lot more benefits than not. So

663
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: I feel like, do we understand those differences? Yes, So

664
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: it talks about one of the commons. One of the

665
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: quotes they say in this it feels like they punish

666
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: you for feeling the feelings everybody else feels. And I

667
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: believe that was Gary who talks about this. It's like

668
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: it is, it's a punishment for a feeling which is

669
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: encouraged otherwise. Like literally that's a whole objective for a

670
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: project twenty twenty five.

671
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: Yep.

672
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: But we know, but we know, but we know when

673
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: it comes to white supremacy, what this looks like, white

674
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: patriarchal supremacy and what this is about, because they do

675
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: they are purposely punishing it, especially with this new bill

676
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: that We've talked about a little bit earlier with them

677
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: cutting Medicaid and a lot of benefits. Snap SSI all

678
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: this and this whole new label in THEIRS. They suddenly

679
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: co opt it and say, if you're able bodied, and

680
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: they get to decide who's able bodied as a reminder, yep,

681
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: but if you're able bodied and enable to get a

682
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: certain amount, I think that again, you still cut your benefits.

683
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just don't want to help you at all.

684
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: Honestly, thank youlushits. But with that they do a lot.

685
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: They're doing a lot of active activism, and I'm sure

686
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: they're still out and doing more activism. They talk about

687
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: how this is again Elizabeth, Elizabeth, I know you probably

688
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: don't listen to this, but I'm a fan.

689
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: I love you.

690
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: So she says, it's dehumanizing enable as you're a human being.

691
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: Like she's so angry about what is happening. This is

692
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: when they're sitting there talking with a lawyer, She's like,

693
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: this is a ridiculous, and she goes on and the

694
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: lawyers trying to like interject, but Elizabeth has to make

695
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: our point about the humanizing and how this is so

696
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: ablest and how those that they are human beings that

697
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: are in love, they want to be together. Why do

698
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: they have to be punished. This should not be a thing.

699
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: We should be able to do what we need to

700
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: do in order to just live our regular lives with joy,

701
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: freedom and independence. And she just loses it, like she

702
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: doesn't love. She says it very articulately and just keep going.

703
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yes, yes, Elizabeth. I love that she

704
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: comes in and just advocates, because it was like, I'm not

705
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: really interested in relationships. All of the sensory stuff says

706
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: no to this. I'm cool, I'm cool without it. But

707
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: they need this, they want to be happy. I don't

708
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: understand why they can't.

709
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: She's yeah, it's great.

710
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: She's a real one.

711
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: You can tell, like she's kind of coming from that

712
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: very logical. This just doesn't make it.

713
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm with it.

714
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm with her. It doesn't. She's completely correct, But yeah,

715
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: she she was a great she was a great advocate.

716
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had had so much time for her, like

717
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: to be able to explain everything because yes, she's like,

718
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: this is not rational. Mm hmm, this is inhumane. Disability

719
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: rights are human rights. And they kept saying this as

720
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: their chance that it's absolutely true. Of course, Again, they

721
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: did the plan trip were the couples to d C.

722
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: They're asking for the repeal of the marriage penalty. Again,

723
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: they did the performance marriage ceremonies, by the way, and

724
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: Lori Long was there. She had a small snippet where

725
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: she did get got on the stage and spoke. I

726
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: have a feeling I think this is maybe the same

727
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: one that she had helped organize as well. I think

728
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: she was a part of that because I remember they

729
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: said they did an a whole uh ceremony too, but

730
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: she it was her.

731
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, that's her.

732
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: I don't think they ever say her name, but I

733
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: went and looked it up. I'm like, I'm pretty sure

734
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: that's Lori Long right there. Yes, girl. And just a

735
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: side note, this movie actually garnered an attention and a

736
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: statement from the Social Security Administration, So I thought this

737
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: was interesting. This is for released on September twenty twenty four,

738
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: so it's pre pre bad times, y'all pretty bad time anyway.

739
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: So this is what they said, all of us at

740
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 2: the Social Security Administration want to recognize Patrice Jeter, Gary Wickham,

741
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: and everyone involved in the PATRISEA movie, a documentary that

742
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: focuses on the couple's concerns about losing their disability benefits

743
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: if they got married, and they go on to say,

744
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: our agency stands ready to assist Congress as it works

745
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: to address outdated laws and to strengthen programs like the

746
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: Supplemental Security Income as a SI that serves millions of

747
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: people with disabilities throughout the country. Enacted fifty years ago,

748
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: the SSI program provides payments to people with disabilities and

749
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: older adults who have limited income and resources. In that statement,

750
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: if you want to go back and look at it,

751
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: he does go on to talk about how outdated it is,

752
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: and he does talk about how it hadn't changed and

753
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: so other belief since the eighties, and that it is

754
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: time for change. But he also says, but we can't

755
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: do that. It has to be Congress.

756
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that.

757
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: Those tween twenty five they went the opposite direction, they

758
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: sure did, they sure did. So I hate this, but

759
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting that it made such an

760
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: impact that the Social Security administrations look like, ah, we

761
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: need we need to go ahead and say some.

762
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: That somebody says something, let me go ahead.

763
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: And say something. And it was the person in charge

764
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: at the time it was credited to him. But anyway,

765
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: Also we have an appearance with Jimmy Panetta who was

766
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: also talking to Elizabeth, and Elizabeth wasn't having it.

767
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was basically kind of being very diplomatic, and

768
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: she was like, no.

769
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: No, sir, I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna tell them.

770
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: It's not gonna fly of her.

771
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: Again.

772
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Patrice and Gary, but I also am

773
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: a huge fan of Elizabeth. I'm like, yes in that

774
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: of course. There was a lot of hardships that we

775
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: talked about before the car, the benefits itself, just in

776
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: general helping with friends. I love that when she did

777
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: get the car, though, she takes them all for a cruise.

778
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that was quality that.

779
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: Was red with her Dice and the America Girl. Yeah, I

780
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: love again talked about the ability to the possibility that

781
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: she would lose her job, even though she was like,

782
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: can you do can I get a location closer to me?

783
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: Which they were like, there's no available ability, And there's

784
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: so much to that that I'm like, oh, but I understand,

785
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 2: like this is kind of the priority, but they really

786
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: weren't able to work with her willing. I don't know

787
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: she did not throw them under the bus. It did

788
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: not seem in her way that she was trying to

789
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 2: or saying that they did. So I don't know for sure,

790
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 2: I decide, I though.

791
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just felt like she was such a popular

792
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: she was a really popular crossing guard, and so it

793
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: just felt I don't doubt that. Maybe it was true,

794
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: but it just felt like you can't help her out somehow.

795
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: Right, Like there was a bit side I also again

796
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: with the dealerships and car people doing car salesman things

797
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: like we got you a really good deal. Don't get

798
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: me wrong, I know they're expensive to have, but we

799
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: also know how much interest and how much they get

800
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: in profit. It so also side eye yeah to them anyway, Yeah,

801
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: hurt my stomach. Right again, the likelihood of losing benefits.

802
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: I don't think we need to. I want to reiterate

803
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: how unbelievable that is in this whole level. Like Jimmy

804
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: Panetti talking about how this is how they cut costs.

805
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: They said, that's too expensive to cover all people disabilities.

806
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: Understanding that, yes, they are as we say. If you

807
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: go back to the book club, as Emily says in

808
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: her book, that they are the largest minority group. Sure.

809
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: Well, also does they make the point that it's more

810
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: expensive if they're institutionalized or hospital right?

811
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: Also, like that's the other conversation is like how much

812
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: money do we really need to help other people's wars?

813
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: Ye? Yes, of course.

814
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: There's how much money do we need to put in

815
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: creating new detention centers that are privately owned?

816
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, exactly. I mean that's the thing is like,

817
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: it's not that it's not even that much money.

818
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: It's not it's not are you kidding me, it's not anyway,

819
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: But all of that is that the level of ridiculousness

820
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: in this and to the point that we talked about

821
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: in our feminists or activists around the world where the

822
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: SSI worker or ss A Social Security office worker was like, no,

823
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: you wouldn't lose your benefits, that's silly, and then coming

824
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: back and we're like, oh yeah you would, my bad,

825
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Like it's so unbelievable that you would automatically assume that

826
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't be a thing, right because also because it's not

827
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 2: that much to begin with, as you said, any anyway,

828
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 2: and we're moving on, but also the theme our thought

829
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: to this was like the self sufficiency that the really

830
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: seeking to show that they're okay, but they can take

831
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 2: care of themselves and even if they need some help,

832
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: that's just some help. They're still self sufficient in any ways.

833
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: And that's what needs to be understood that if we

834
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: normalize this, it wouldn't be a wow thing, or it

835
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't be an inspirational thing, or it wouldn't be a

836
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: fight in anything, and like it just should just be.

837
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: And like I loved how Patrice talked immediately about the

838
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: fact that she loved her trains, that she could draw,

839
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: She's already written her biography play wise, this is what

840
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: this was. She already had her own children's show. Like,

841
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: there are so many things.

842
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate. Her fashion. Yes, oh my gosh, iconic.

843
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: When she did the commitment ceremony.

844
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: I was like, that dress was gorgeous, gorgeous, and she's

845
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: just a very you can tell she's got all these hobbies,

846
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: she's got this flair.

847
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: That train village, Oh my goodness, that.

848
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: Was professional and like level of war. Yes, it looked

849
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: to the palisades. Look, what is this? All functions ain't working?

850
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: Like all of that to say is like they she

851
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: is fine, she is self sufficient. She cooks for herself,

852
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: she cooks for her man, she cooks for her friends.

853
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: Her man knows how to take care of themselves. He

854
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: has like figured it that all out. And we didn't

855
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: talk about this in Emily's but Emily talks about how

856
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 2: she puts on her jacket, which is a little different

857
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 2: and a little more difficult and will takes a little

858
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: more time, but she's done it for so long that

859
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 2: she's fine, and she likes to do it on her own.

860
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: She doesn't need help. And that's that same level like

861
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: they have it like adapted to how they need to,

862
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: much like myself in any ways, on some things, when

863
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: I'm hurting to get out of bed, I have to

864
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: roll and I'm okay with that. I figured it out, Yeah.

865
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Speaker 1: I said, I try to have my good ear on

866
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: one side. I figured it out, you know.

867
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: Figured it like this is self sufficiency.

868
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

869
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: Did you just need to have accessibility?

870
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: Oh?

871
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be our thing for the

872
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: rest of his life. And also like when they do

873
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: ask for help, they they will ask for help. Gary

874
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: and she are a team. Yes, she made sure that

875
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: she had things that were able to give him accessibility

876
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: to everything. Like, I love that partnership in itself, Like

877
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 2: that's that conversation that we need to have when Elizabeth

878
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: needed it takes time away. She did. She knew she

879
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: needed gloves to be able to work with her. She did,

880
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: like all of these things. She needed to work some

881
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 2: things out. She let it out and Buttressa's like okay, okay,

882
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, and then uh yeah. At this

883
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: point when we were talking about the fundraisers too, again

884
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: the self sufficiency like this is great and all I'm

885
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: getting money like this in all and again Elizabeth says this,

886
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: there's so many she just killed it. She says disabled

887
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: people shouldn't have to fundraise to get their knees met.

888
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: It just means the system's broken. Well, I think we've

889
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: said that a lot about like fundraisers for doctor's bills

890
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: and medications, and like why are people having the fundraise?

891
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: Why is the insurance that we're already paying not covering it.

892
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: Why are the government who are selling us that we

893
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: need to be healthy and provide these things for you

894
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: not covering it? Why are you putting extra money in

895
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: taxes that are going to things that we don't want

896
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: it to go to. Is that it's to our care.

897
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and as mentioned too, it was just going

898
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: to count towards their income of thing, just go fund me.

899
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: That Dutch and that would have absolutely crashed all of

900
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: our disabilities because like it's not a constant thing, that's

901
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: not I'm sorry, fifty thousand dollars barely makes a year

902
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: to do anything.

903
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I only laughed because recently a friend of mine

904
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: was telling me, like, remember when you would hear a

905
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and you would think, oh wow, I've won

906
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: so much money. And now that's like, where is that

907
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna get me? Like, I won't say no to it.

908
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: Right, that's like pay a minute and a half or

909
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: a part if I had to get a new one, right. Yeah.

910
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: And on top of that, of course, we have to

911
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: talk about community. The way they rallied behind her for

912
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: the van, the way the community came together to do

913
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 2: the disability activism in DC. The community that comes together

914
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: as a support group to talk about these frustrations, Like

915
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: I loved every bit of that, and how important that

916
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: is still not big enough. It should be bigger. The

917
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: community that is that when they come to rally, they

918
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: really do rally.

919
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

920
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: The community that helped put the ceremony together commitment ceremony,

921
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: and so excited to do so. The community, like she

922
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 2: came together to help the skating community because they needed

923
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: someone older to help out. I'm like, they really have

924
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: been supporting each other. They really do support each other.

925
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: Yes, which is something we've talked about several times, just

926
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: in terms of any kind of intersectional issue. But I

927
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: know when it comes to people with disabilities, that community

928
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: focus is so important because it shouldn't be oh, this

929
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: person is such a pain. It should be like, this

930
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: person is part of my community, and so I will

931
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: help them because I want to, and they'll help me

932
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: when I need it, Like that whole thing. Instead of

933
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: viewing it as a lot of our government would like

934
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: us to view it as you know, they're mooching off

935
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: the system or something. It's instead like, na, some people

936
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: we just need help sometimes, let's help each other out.

937
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: Also, that's what the government is supposed to be. It's

938
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: not mooching off the system. They're already supposed to be

939
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: doing these.

940
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: That's what.

941
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: This is not. What do you think?

942
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, but the community, it is very lovely. I do.

943
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: I am very glad they put in the point though,

944
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: that like, it shouldn't be this way about the fundraiser

945
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: because so many I feel like, of the kind of

946
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: inspiration porn things are like, oh, the community came together

947
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: and it's great, and it is, but also.

948
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: Well, it's also been an excuse with much of the conservatives.

949
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: This includes because I think of my family in this way,

950
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: but like that with the community is supposed hit. Yeah, it's

951
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 2: not the government's job, but yes it is.

952
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: Yes it is.

953
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,959
Speaker 2: And then on top of that being like but the church,

954
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: and like the church does yeah, they've done nothing except

955
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: really helped themselves. Maybe.

956
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a friend of mine's dad is like

957
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: one of the most conservative people I've ever met, and

958
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: he at one time made a big show of giving

959
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: someone an unhoused person I don't know, like twenty bucks

960
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, and he was like, see now I

961
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: know it went right to him, and if I gave

962
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: it to the government, I would never know. And I

963
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: was like, well, okay, sure, but that's problem twenty bucks.

964
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: What is we going to do.

965
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: I have a feeling he's the same person who'd be like, no,

966
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 2: they're going to use it on drugs.

967
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was really just trying to show me up.

968
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: He was, He does that all the time anyway.

969
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: I mean to be fair, I want to stop giving

970
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: to the government too, because I know they don't do

971
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: You're not wrong, but we should hold the government an accountable.

972
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: Right and also your twenty dollars is just not going

973
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: to do it. Sorry, we need another system.

974
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 2: What are we doing with it? Okay? Moving on again.

975
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: Working around the system was not necessarily a theme there,

976
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: but I was like they were doing trying to do

977
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: what they could, talking about how they had to do

978
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: these things so what they can continue to qualify and

979
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: many people be like that's scheming and like what just

980
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: like what what do you? What do you The fact

981
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: that they have to do this is already that's the

982
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: that's the problem. Yeah, that's the problem, not that they

983
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: they're doing it, but they have to mm hmm. And

984
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: I feel like again Elizabeth really killing out with those things,

985
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: like what is the problem like that? I think so

986
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: so many people are just like, you know what, Okay,

987
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: we gotta do what we gotta do, and they're just

988
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: used to We're just used to it and it shouldn't

989
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: be it shouldn't be that way.

990
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

991
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: And then lastly, because I think like it's good to

992
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: know because they were trying to stay away from it.

993
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: And I think they do a good job about the

994
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: inspiration porn about as Emily from Domestifying Disability talks about

995
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: like pity porn, and how they really took this made

996
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 2: sure that Patrice was the center of the story and

997
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: she was telling the story and that she was protected.

998
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's something that's so important because

999
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: we've normalized inspiration porn in order to get people to

1000
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: care instead of making it understand No, but that's not

1001
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: what we should have to do. You should care immediately,

1002
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: and these stories should tell you what we're trying to

1003
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: do and whose story we're trying to center and why

1004
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: it needs to be. And I think that's that they

1005
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: did a great job. Again, there's a lot of things,

1006
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: of course, with different programs like this that we don't

1007
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: have the authorities to say this is good, this is bad.

1008
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: It's a good representation. We get like other people's opinions

1009
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 2: who are in that community to let us know what

1010
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: it is like. We let them dictate with this. But

1011
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: I know this was really celebrated for the work, especially

1012
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: again the way they brought in the different types of

1013
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: care and normalizing care for the actors themselves, the type

1014
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: of actors that they brought in to be a part

1015
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: of the show or the movie. I think that's so important.

1016
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: I did look up to see how much Patrice made

1017
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: and how much everybody made. I couldn't get that information.

1018
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: I did think. I think she got like I saw

1019
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 2: a number of twenty thousand at one point, and I

1020
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: could be wrong. And then of course she's credited as

1021
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: a writer in here and a creator in here, so

1022
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: I think she'll get more and more money. Documentaries are

1023
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: really kind of iffy, I know that. Yeah, with like

1024
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: money making and all that they do have. They ha

1025
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: merch for the movie, specifically to the movie, and like

1026
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: going to organizations that are actually affiliated with this. So

1027
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: I did see that some of that. I believe it

1028
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: was under the Philadelphia film Ooh yeah, I'm so sorry.

1029
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: You may be able to just find it on their

1030
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: site in general, which is again put the www. Patrisethemovie

1031
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: dot com. But they have a lot of different reasons,

1032
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: and yes, you can do a lot of activity and fundraising.

1033
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: Help Hope Love is one of the fundraisers they have

1034
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: on their nonprofit and that's I think that's how she

1035
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: actually got her van. That's organization organization she used. They

1036
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: also give you information about the disability language, as we've

1037
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: talked about previously. It's a really great site, so you

1038
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: should go and look up. They also have a apparently

1039
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: John Oliver did an episode about disability benefits with Patrese.

1040
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Yes, I don't think.

1041
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: Okay, that was when.

1042
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: That was when I was paranoid, not paranoid, but I

1043
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: was like, they keep doing episodes soon after we do

1044
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: episodes and someone listening to our show, which I'm sure

1045
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: it was just like the zeitgeist.

1046
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: To us. Yeah, yeah, if they do another episode, we know.

1047
00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: But yes, so you can numerous numerous examples that you can.

1048
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 2: Go to her site. You can get marched there. Yes,

1049
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 2: they have wonderful march. Oh it's okay one with them

1050
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: as a cartoon being married. I might have to get

1051
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 2: that shirt and different things. So you should go and

1052
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: look that up for yourself. Again, it's www. Dot patresethemovie

1053
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: dot com. Also, again you should go watch the movie.

1054
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really really good.

1055
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: It's so good. It made me laugh, it made me cry.

1056
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: And visually very I loved the visuals of it. I

1057
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: thought it was fantastic, but yes, clearly it brought up

1058
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts. It's so relevant right now and

1059
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: even previously, but right now especially, so go check it out.

1060
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