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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, thanks for tuning into a new episode of

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Speaker 1: fish Bites on the Fish Stripes podcast. This is Elive Susman.

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Speaker 1: I'm your managing editor at fish Stripes. If you go

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Speaker 1: to the website fishtripes dot com, our social media accounts

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram at fish Stripes, well that's me.

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Speaker 1: That's me overseeing it, our staff of really talented writers

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Speaker 1: and podcasters and trying to build together what is the

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Speaker 1: most passionate and informed Miami Marlin's community anywhere. So we're

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Speaker 1: covering the franchise from all angles, including with this expanded podcast.

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Speaker 1: As you may notice, I am not Danny Martinez, and

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Speaker 1: that's where I have bad news, good news, and even

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Speaker 1: more good news for you. The bad news is that

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Speaker 1: Danny's not here. He's unavailable to host this week's episode.

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Speaker 1: It's the first time this entire Marlin season that he's

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Speaker 1: not recording Fish Bites. The good news is that he

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Speaker 1: has a very valid excuse for it. It's his wedding weekend.

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Speaker 1: He's been waiting a long time for that. All the

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Speaker 1: in laws are in town, so congratulations to everybody over there.

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Speaker 1: I hope he's enjoying it and soaking in the big

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Speaker 1: milestone in his life. More good news is that I

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Speaker 1: was not invited to the wedding, so that means that

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Speaker 1: I'm available to record in his absence, and it's a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to do that in addition to everything else I

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Speaker 1: do over seeing fish Stripes. So I hope you enjoy.

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Speaker 1: We have very different styles, somewhat slightly different outlooks on

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Speaker 1: the direction of the Marlins franchise and where they are

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Speaker 1: at the moment, but I hope you enjoy this separate

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Speaker 1: perspective on it, and it's very big moments for the

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Speaker 1: Marlins franchise. Here in the middle of July twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be our MLB trade deadline special

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Speaker 1: that's coming up. The deadline will be on the afternoon

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Speaker 1: of July thirty first, a couple weeks away. We're going

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Speaker 1: to go through basically all the major trade candidates on

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Speaker 1: just the really pragmatic, viable ones. We're not gonna list

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Speaker 1: through every single player. Trust me, I've done the hard work.

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Speaker 1: I've gone through the entire roster. I've vetted the entire

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Speaker 1: somewhat of a quiet deadline for the Marlins, kind of

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Speaker 1: like last year, and that again, they're just looking for

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Speaker 1: make their farm system significantly better. But we're gonna look

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Speaker 1: at really a handful of interest and candidates, some that

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Speaker 1: and for one reason or another, all of them are

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Speaker 1: And then at the very end of the podcast, we're

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Speaker 1: I believe very wholeheartedly will not be moved, and the

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Speaker 1: reasons for that. Before we get into that, we're dropping

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Speaker 1: into another very exciting topic, which which was all this

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Speaker 1: This month of July has been a pretty landmark month

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Speaker 1: for the Marlins franchise, even without all these trades, simply

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Speaker 1: these players would actually get signed to contracts have pretty

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Speaker 1: some of them understandably don't want to take a discount

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Speaker 1: The Marlins signed thirty one players out of their forty

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Speaker 1: assuming no injuries and no setbacks, hopefully they'll start playing

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Speaker 1: professional games very soon. We'll have all that coverage for

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Speaker 1: you on earning their stripes our Prospects covered show with

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Speaker 1: eventually in full season ball. Over All, the Marlins committed

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Speaker 1: it adds up. And these players, if just a couple

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Speaker 1: They spread around the international money in a way they

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that turns out. It's a much different

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Speaker 1: For President of Baseball Operations Michael Hill, this is a

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Speaker 1: Although this is very different people that he's reporting to

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt that this is a very important trade

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Speaker 1: There will also be several that they don't want to trade,

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Speaker 1: the longest term control. Danny has talked about that excessively

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Speaker 1: into a relief role at the major league level. The

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Speaker 1: guys that they have in those roles right now are

435
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Speaker 1: more expendable the relievers that historically get traded for huge

436
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Speaker 1: hales at the trade deadline. They have a lot more

437
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Speaker 1: swing and missing this game. They fit the prototype for

438
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Speaker 1: like a shutdown, late ending arm. And Harlan is not

439
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Speaker 1: that he's not a shutdown guy. He's just a comfortably

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Speaker 1: above average option for contending teams. He makes a lot

441
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Speaker 1: of these bullpens better, especially someone like the Red Sox

442
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Speaker 1: who've been scrambling for relief depth this entire season. You

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Speaker 1: probably name a few others. A lot of contenders really

444
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Speaker 1: outside of the New York Yankees, I'd say could use

445
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Speaker 1: other options in the later endings, just to give them

446
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Speaker 1: separate looks. At this time of year, almost every contender

447
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Speaker 1: could use some relief depth in their bullpen, even if

448
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Speaker 1: they're gonna limit Harlan to matching up lefty on lefty

449
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Speaker 1: that's still something that's useful down the stretch of the

450
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Speaker 1: regular season that could help teams in the postseason. He

451
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Speaker 1: would bring back potentially multiple prospects in return, but probably

452
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Speaker 1: not anyone that's going to crack the Marlins Top twenty

453
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Speaker 1: prospect list. Guys that could have usefulness in the major

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Speaker 1: leagues down the road, but certainly nobody that has big,

455
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Speaker 1: big upside is gonna be attained in this kind of deal.

456
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Speaker 1: There's a pretty good chance this happens. He's someone that

457
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Speaker 1: should definitely be shopped aggressively if you're the Marlins. We

458
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Speaker 1: move on to a very sneaky trade candidate, one that

459
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Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee you weren't thinking about when you

460
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Speaker 1: turn it on this episode, and that is catcher Brian Holiday,

461
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Speaker 1: age thirty one season. He's betting three eleven, a four

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Speaker 1: or four on base percentage, four eighty nine slugging, one

463
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Speaker 1: thirty eight weighted runs created plus Remember that one hundred

464
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Speaker 1: is a league average zero point one war and fifty

465
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Speaker 1: three played appearances. Tiny, tiny sample size. You don't want

466
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Speaker 1: to overreact.

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Speaker 5: To that one and one to Holiday ground ball up

468
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Speaker 5: the middle ins of pace, bet another walk off win

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Speaker 5: for the Marlins Brian Holiday comes through. Oh bet it's

470
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Speaker 5: a four to three Marlin's win.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there haven't been too many times this season where

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Speaker 6: the Marlins lengths yet the victory that is the case tonight.

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Speaker 1: Considered that in twenty eighteen, Marlins backup catcher that year

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Speaker 1: behind JT. Real Muto, and he was almost an automatic

475
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Speaker 1: out at the plate, offering no power whatsoever. Average together

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Speaker 1: those two seasons, which I think is the best way

477
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Speaker 1: of doing it, twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, he is

478
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Speaker 1: surely a below average hitter, even for the catcher position.

479
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Speaker 1: It's just the reality of the situation. Doesn't generate much power,

480
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Speaker 1: certainly doesn't run very well on the bases. His plate

481
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Speaker 1: discipline is alright, nothing special. Wherever he really makes an

482
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Speaker 1: impact for you is in the clubhouse and defensively. He's

483
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Speaker 1: also just a very good value someone that is earning

484
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Speaker 1: signed a minor league deal with the Marlins. He's someone

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Speaker 1: that is a good backup catcher. He's better than a

486
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Speaker 1: lot of backup catchers around the league. The reason why

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Speaker 1: I have him as a trade candidate is because of

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Speaker 1: some of a roster jam that's coming up. Chad Wallack

489
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Speaker 1: has been on the sixty day injury list with a

490
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Speaker 1: concussion for now almost two months. We're coming up on

491
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Speaker 1: the point where he is almost eligible to return. He's

492
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Speaker 1: actively on a rehab assignment in Triple A New Orleans.

493
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Speaker 1: Wallack is someone that the Marlins picked out of spring

494
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Speaker 1: training to be their preferred backup catcher for Jorge Altharo.

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Speaker 1: So now that he's coming back, are you going to

496
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Speaker 1: keep him blocked in Triple A just because Holliday has

497
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Speaker 1: impressed in the small sample size, or are you gonna

498
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Speaker 1: kind of go with your first instinct on that. Understanding

499
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Speaker 1: that Wallack has a few more years of control ahead

500
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Speaker 1: of him than Holiday does, and that he does a

501
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Speaker 1: lot of the same things early in the season, at

502
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Speaker 1: least in that small sample size, I would think that

503
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Speaker 1: this is a sneaky one that actually happens. There's a

504
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Speaker 1: very strong chance that Brian Holliday gets traded. The Marlins

505
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Speaker 1: do have additional catching depth even if there is an

506
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Speaker 1: injury down the stretch. Even if they do trade Holiday,

507
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Speaker 1: but he's someone that can help contending teams as a backup.

508
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Speaker 1: You're not gonna get anything of significance in return, probably

509
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Speaker 1: just one player to be named later, or just a

510
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Speaker 1: lottery ticket prospect that has a lot of question marks

511
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Speaker 1: around him. That's just the reality of trading a backup

512
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Speaker 1: at a position, someone that, if you look at postseason history,

513
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Speaker 1: backup catchers really don't play much at all. He has

514
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Speaker 1: someone wants to help reinforce you for the stretch run,

515
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Speaker 1: and he'll remain under arbitration eligibility in twenty twenty if

516
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Speaker 1: his contending team really likes a fit. But this is

517
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Speaker 1: the one I'm going to go out on a limb

518
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Speaker 1: and say the Marlins do get a deal done trading

519
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Speaker 1: Brian Holiday to a contending team before July thirty first.

520
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Speaker 1: Flipping back to the pitching side of things, second year

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Speaker 1: right hander Trevor Richards age twenty sixth season a four

522
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Speaker 1: point one to eight EER, a four point sixty five FIP,

523
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Speaker 1: one point zero wins above replacement in ninety nine innings

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Speaker 1: pitch this season. You know about his amazing backstory. Former

525
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Speaker 1: undrafted free agent at at Drew University. He wants to

526
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Speaker 1: play independent ball. He very nearly came to the point

527
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Speaker 1: of turning the page on his baseball career and doing

528
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Speaker 1: something else until the Marlin spotted him and gave him

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Speaker 1: a shot in their minor league system.

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Speaker 7: Unbelievable, went to college undrafted independently couple of years and

531
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Speaker 7: then the Marlins signument and less than two years later, Terry,

532
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Speaker 7: he's in the major leagues and you're watching your son

533
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Speaker 7: here start.

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Speaker 2: What's it like.

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Speaker 8: It's unbelievable. He's worked hard, he deserves everything. He got

536
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Speaker 8: a lot of family and friends supporting him. It's been awesome.

537
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Speaker 7: So it's always nerve wracking to watch your son. I'm sure, pitch,

538
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Speaker 7: I mean probably no matter what level. But what about

539
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Speaker 7: what's different about this one?

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Speaker 6: This is the big show.

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Speaker 4: That's great, that's awesome. Yeah, that's great.

542
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Speaker 7: Confidence that he had Terry to go the root he did.

543
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Speaker 7: Is unusual to get to the big leagues this quickly,

544
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Speaker 7: if you will, I put that quote because I know

545
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Speaker 7: it's been.

546
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Speaker 2: A long rope. That definitely is.

547
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Speaker 8: But if you knew Trevor, there is no, never, any

548
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Speaker 8: doubt in his mind that he's gonna do it. So

549
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Speaker 8: he's an unbelievable kid, and he's worked hard and he

550
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Speaker 8: deserves it.

551
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Speaker 1: He rocketed it up through the system extremely quickly and

552
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Speaker 1: spent most of twenty eighteen in the rotation. Richards has

553
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Speaker 1: an amazing changeup, one of the sexiest pitches in baseball.

554
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: When it's on so much vertical drop on the pitch,

555
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: when he's setting it up the right way, when he's

556
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Speaker 1: commanding it, it's virtually unhittable. Unfortunately, he's just not a

557
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: complete pitcher, and he hasn't been a very consistent pitcher,

558
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Speaker 1: although he's been in the rotation throughout the twenty nineteen season.

559
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: Done some interesting things with his fastball, throwing it more

560
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: up in the zone to get swings and misses, and

561
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Speaker 1: that's been working. But at the same time batters have

562
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Speaker 1: adjusted to the change up a little bit. He's giving

563
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Speaker 1: it more home runs against the pitch. There's just less

564
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: of a domination factor with him than you see with

565
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Speaker 1: some of these other high upside starting pitching prospects coming

566
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Speaker 1: up through the Marlins system. If you're only going to

567
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Speaker 1: have five starting rotation spots in the major leagues at

568
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Speaker 1: most six, I just don't know if he's going to

569
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Speaker 1: be one of those guys for this Marlins organization when

570
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Speaker 1: this team turns the corner, someone that could have some

571
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Speaker 1: value in the bullpen as a fastball changeup guy. Just

572
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: focus on those two pitches with him and creates some

573
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: deception to it. But he might have more value on

574
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Speaker 1: a contending team, one that does not have the same

575
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Speaker 1: pitching depth that the Marlins have, one that'd be willing

576
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Speaker 1: to look with his inconsistency in the rotation. It might

577
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Speaker 1: have some suggestions with what he can do with his

578
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Speaker 1: breaking ball to get more value out of it. The

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Speaker 1: Marlins are in no hurry to move Richards at all,

580
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Speaker 1: considering this sug just his second year, he's earning a

581
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Speaker 1: league minimum, He's controllable for at least four more years

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Speaker 1: beyond this year before getting to free agency. They've playing

583
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Speaker 1: a time to make this decision. My expectation is the

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Speaker 1: Marlins won't be trading from their legit starting pitching depth

585
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Speaker 1: right now at this deadline. The timing just seems a

586
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 1: little bit awkward. You want to give more time to

587
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: evaluate internally who your best options are going to be

588
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: moving forward, and he's someone that, although he is fairly

589
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Speaker 1: stretched out dating back to last year, he's never been

590
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Speaker 1: in a major league rotation for an entire season, so

591
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: this would be a bit of an unknown for whatever

592
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: team is acquiring him. You don't want to be too

593
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: quick to dismiss somebody as having a certain ceiling in

594
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Speaker 1: the majors, especially when they've had some level of success.

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Speaker 1: My expectation is long term, he's not going to have

596
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Speaker 1: this kind of big role on a successful Marlins team.

597
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Speaker 1: But for the Marlins, it makes the most since just

598
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Speaker 1: to hold on Srichards for the time being, unless they

599
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: get totally overwhelmed by a team that sees more potential

600
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Speaker 1: in him than they do. The next trade candidate is

601
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Speaker 1: a pretty emotional one if you're a Marlins fan. It's

602
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: shortstop Miguel Rojas. Age thirty season. He's slashing two eighty

603
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: eight three forty four three sixty five. That's a ninety

604
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: two weighted runs created plus one point five wins above

605
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: replacement in three hundred and forty six played appearances. He's

606
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Speaker 1: been arguably the MVP of the Marlins so far this season.

607
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: The contact hitting skills that you've grown accustomed to over

608
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: the years, they're actually yielding more base hits than they

609
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Speaker 1: have in the past.

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Speaker 9: Row ball through for a base hit. They're in a

611
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 9: wave around al Farrow. Here comes a crow from Foller.

612
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Speaker 9: It is not in time and Miguel ross up the

613
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Speaker 9: second after an RBI that ties the game with two

614
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Speaker 9: outs in the eight.

615
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Speaker 6: Time and time and time again, with two strikes. We

616
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Speaker 6: see Mickey Road go the other way, finds the whole,

617
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Speaker 6: finds green grass.

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Speaker 1: He brings plus defense at multiple positions in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: He's been focused exclusively at shortstop since mid April, has

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Speaker 1: been playing there virtually every single day, and he's brought

621
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Speaker 1: so much value at that position. If you want to

622
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Speaker 1: look at a reason why the Marlins young pitching has

623
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Speaker 1: been so successful right away, a big factor in that

624
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: is the infield defense being played behind them, and nobody

625
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Speaker 1: individually is having a bigger impact on that part of

626
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Speaker 1: the game than Rojas's.

627
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Speaker 9: To Anderson off his glove.

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Speaker 5: Rojas gets to it and look.

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Speaker 9: Robas right place, right time, takes the deflection shovel pass

630
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Speaker 9: to Anderson, who somehow found Alby's and.

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Speaker 6: They get out number three, who said baseball isn't a

632
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Speaker 6: team sport, Brian Anderson kind of lining.

633
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Speaker 10: Up his feet.

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Speaker 6: Rojas does a fantastic job.

635
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Speaker 1: Ob I think some of the saber metrics overstate the

636
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Speaker 1: kind of impact he has on the field. They don't

637
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Speaker 1: necessarily take into the account how many rallies he kills

638
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: by grounding into double plays where he's among the league

639
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: leaders and grounding into double plays, and in today's day

640
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: and age, where so much run scoring is dependent on

641
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: actually hitting home runs, he just does not have the

642
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: capacity to hit a ball over the wall. I was

643
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Speaker 1: as shocked as anybody when he actually did it once

644
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Speaker 1: right before the All Star break. It's a big limitation

645
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Speaker 1: in his game, and it makes him pretty reliant on

646
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: other teammates in his lineup in order to actually get

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Speaker 1: runs across. So that's a pretty significant knock against him.

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Speaker 1: This year, he's earning a three point one six million

649
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: dollar salary, and he's going to be arbitration eligible one

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00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: more time in twenty twenty, where you'd expect him to

651
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: get a pretty significant raise, but it's not a skill

652
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: set that actually gets richly rewarded in arbitration. Regardless, if

653
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: he goes to a team that values him as an

654
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: everyday player the same way that Marlins do, he's going

655
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: to be a good value for them when it comes

656
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: to financials. As I mentioned at the top of the episode,

657
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: when you're a good player on a team that is

658
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: selling out the trade deadline, your name is going to

659
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: come up in those trade negotiations. The Marlins may not

660
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: be pushing all that aggressively to get him moved, but

661
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: you can be sure that other teams are curious about him,

662
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: knowing that versatility that he brings when he's not a shortstop.

663
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: Some may see a lot of value in him, even

664
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: though it's just a part time player, because of all

665
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: the high character things that he does off the fields

666
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: and in the clubhouse. He's someone that makes a lot

667
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: of teams better and can fit very flexibly into pretty

668
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: much any roster that you move him in on. He

669
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 1: just has a lot of intangible value to the Marlins

670
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: organization as someone that they got as initially in the

671
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: de Gordon trade almost five years ago. They got him

672
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: and he was a total afterthought, someone that at his

673
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: very best maybe could stick at the edge of the

674
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: roster as the utility man. So he's exceeded those expectations

675
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: and he's one of the most popular players to the

676
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: fan base, so from that aspect, that would deter them

677
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: from trying to trade him. At the same time, we've

678
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: gone through the list so far. There are a few

679
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: more names coming up, but none of these guys are

680
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: likely going to bring back a huge haul in trades,

681
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: and if the Marlins don't yet see themselves as having

682
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: enough talent internally to build a full on, sustainable contender,

683
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: they need to make some tough decisions when it comes

684
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: to who to flip for younger, more controllable talent. Ultimately,

685
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: I do not expect Rojas to get traded. This is

686
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: the peak of his value. If you are going to

687
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: trade him at any point, it would be now. But

688
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: given the value that he had on the field so

689
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: far this season and what he means to the fan

690
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: base and the team off the field, the fact that

691
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: I think he's really a better candidate for an extension

692
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: than he is to get traded, someone that you could

693
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: see aging fairly gracefully in a limited role, maybe not

694
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: going to be in every day shortstop when this team

695
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: turns the corner. They have a couple nice prospects just

696
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: added to the farm system that are more likely to

697
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: have that role than he is. But he has value

698
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: with this team. He's someone that, in a short time,

699
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: is one of the more impactful players that the organization

700
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: has had, especially since they started this rebuild, but someone

701
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: that is so universally liked by both his teammates and

702
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: his competitors. I think he stays. The oldest picture on

703
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: the Marlins is also their most obvious trade candidate. That

704
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: is right hander Sergio Romo, age thirty six season a

705
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: four point one to three eer a four point three

706
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: four fifth zero point one wins, a buff replacement in

707
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: thirty two and two thirds nings pitch. He's been nearly

708
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: perfect in save opportunities this season and limited almost exclusively

709
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: to working as a closer.

710
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 9: So Matt Waiters.

711
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 5: Will hit Flarity is picked off a show. He said

712
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 5: that selling ends. Oh my wow, the mnch runner is

713
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 5: picked off. It's Marlin's win.

714
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 6: Oh they got him napping. He was looking somewhere other

715
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 6: than Sergio Romo. Watch this backpack, Clarity's talking, He's not

716
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 6: even looking. Rivera sneaks in, comes up with the tag. Yeah,

717
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 6: he's got him. That arm is not there.

718
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 5: Wow, what a way to end this ball game.

719
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: The Marlin signs him at the beginning of spring training

720
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: and they really drums up his versatility. He's coming off

721
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: the season with the Tampa Bay Rays that he was

722
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: frequently an opener for them, starting the game and going

723
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: usually just one ending. At the beginning of games it

724
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: was highly unconventional and a little bit controversial, and he

725
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: really embraced that versatility from the get go. This year

726
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: with the Marlins, he was saying he was ready for anything,

727
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: to handle whatever role this all fit, and yet they

728
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: have him limited into this highly specific role where frankly,

729
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to impact the game as much

730
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: as you would like for someone that has been fairly

731
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: consistent for them this season. As we've mentioned with several

732
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: of these other players already, he's been a star in

733
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: the clubhouse. He's been very personal to the media. The

734
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: kind of energy that he shows on the fields really

735
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: resonates with fans, whether they were watching from the ballparker

736
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: at home. He's popular. But he's also a pending free agent.

737
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: A two point five million dollar contracts brought him in

738
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: this offseason. There's gonna be less than a million of

739
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: that remaining down the stretch after the trade deadline, So

740
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: that's a number easily to absorb if you're a contending team,

741
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: even if you have a lot of other commitments on

742
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: your books. Other teams probably wouldn't value him as a closer.

743
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: As effective as he's been this year. It's often been

744
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: very adventurous. He is more reliant on his defense and

745
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: he used to be. The strikeout rate is certainly down

746
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: from his prime. What he brings is a very interesting

747
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: contrast in styles compared to the typical reliever today. He

748
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: is some of the lowest average fastball velocity in baseball,

749
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: and he doesn't even throw his fastball often anymore. It's

750
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: very reliant on that frisbee slider that has so much

751
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: horizontal movement. If you're able to time it up as

752
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: a batter, you could drive it a long way, but

753
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: the majority of batters aren't able to really know track

754
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: exactly where that pitch is going and get goodwood on it.

755
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: So overall, he's been probably exactly what the Marlins were expecting.

756
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: He hasn't exceeded those expectations, but he's been perfectly fine

757
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: for them, and they'll have a role with a contending team.

758
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: He's almost a lock to get traded at this deadline,

759
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: but prior to July thirty first, he's not going to

760
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: bring you back much in return at all. I don't

761
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: even think it would be a top thirty Marlins prospect

762
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: they get in return, just because of the bottom line

763
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: results and the fact that he has a lesser value

764
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: to whatever team is acquiring him then he had too

765
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: the Marlins in the first place. But I'd like to

766
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: be the first one to thank Sergio for his great

767
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: contributions to the Marlins this season and really representing the

768
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: franchise very proudly. It'll be fun during that final throwback

769
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: weekend to see him in the old Marlins uniforms. Hopefully

770
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: this goes down to the deadline so we get to

771
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: enjoy a couple more weeks of him in the Marlins uniform,

772
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: but he's as good as gone. Next up is a

773
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: very unlikely trade candidate, but an enormously important one. That's

774
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: left hander Caleb Smith, age twenty seven season, about to

775
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: turn twenty eight years old. A three point four to

776
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: six ERA, four point three to three five, A zero

777
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: point nine wins above replacement in seventy eight endings pitch.

778
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: During the first quarter of the season, Caleb had one

779
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: of the most dominant stretches of starting pitching by any

780
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Marlin in franchise history, easily the best run we've seen

781
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: by a starter since the late great Jose Fernandez, and

782
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: somehow I think he's become a little underrated since then.

783
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: He missed nearly a month the major league action due

784
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: to left hip inflammation. He has been giving up a

785
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: lot more home run since he returned from the injured

786
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: list than he did during that first quarter of the season.

787
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: There's not much of a track record at the major

788
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: league level because his first extended opportunity as a starter

789
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: came last year prior to suffering that lat injury that

790
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: led the season ending surgery. He hasn't pitched the full

791
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: major league season, as has been pointed out pretty repeatedly.

792
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: Now that he's coming off that surgery, endings are being

793
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: monitored a little bit by the Marlins this season, they

794
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: probably would not leave him in the starting rotation every

795
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: fifth day the rest of the year, especially not for

796
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: a team that would be going to the postseason. That's

797
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: a consideration for any team that's interested in him is

798
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: that it's more of a long term play with Caleb.

799
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: He is earning about the league minimum this year. He's

800
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: under control for a similar price next year, and only

801
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: then does he get to arbitration. So it's this year

802
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: and at least four more beyond that of team control.

803
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: For a guy that at times has been absolutely dominant,

804
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: He's got three pitches that he controls very well and

805
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: that he could get swings and missus with that fastball,

806
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: the slider, the change up. They work very well with

807
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: each other. He's found a way, too, at times be

808
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: that dominant pitcher, even without having overwhelming velocity. It's the

809
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: key has been a spin rate and his command. Those

810
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: are nice building blocks to have. He's in a strange

811
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: situation because he is older than a lot of other

812
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: pictures would be with his same amount of major league experience,

813
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: So you don't know if he's actually going to get

814
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: much better than what he is right now. And of

815
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: course this recent stretch that he's been on where he

816
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: has not had quite the same command that he used

817
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: to and where opponents seem to be adjusting a little

818
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: bit to him, it gives you a little bit of

819
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: concern if your team that wants to get better right now.

820
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Also tricky to find comparable cases to Caleb that actually

821
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: get moved to the trade deadline at this state in

822
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: their career. The closest one I could come up with

823
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: was lefty Drew Pomeranz three years ago when he went

824
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: from the Padres to the Red Sox and then return

825
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: to the Padres only got one prospect in return, but

826
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 1: it was a consensus top fifty prospect in Anderson espino

827
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: If you want to play the results, that has not

828
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: worked out very well by limiting themselves to just one prospect.

829
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: They really went all in on Espinosa, and he has

830
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: not pitched since the end of the twenty sixteen season

831
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: due to elbow injuries. So that's the kind of risk

832
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: that you take when you settle for just one guy

833
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: instead of a bigger package. I feel the same way

834
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: with Caleb this year that if they were to trade

835
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: him and look for a high upside guy, they would

836
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: basically be making a one for one. The only way

837
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: that you're going to get a signific multiple players in

838
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: the package for him right now is if you kind

839
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: of lower the upside on the centerpiece of that package.

840
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: And maybe that's not super attractive for a team that

841
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: right now has been hunting for those impact players rather

842
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: than worrying about depth. Now that they have depth, they're

843
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: kind of looking for the high upside and I'm not

844
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: sure that you get that with Caleb at this very moment.

845
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: It depends how his next few starts go. He has

846
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: three more starts between now and the July thirty first

847
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: trade deadline, and he has not had one of those

848
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: single dominant starts since that first quarter of the season.

849
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: So I'm throwing his name out there the assumption that

850
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: he has at least one of those great outings between

851
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: now and the deadline to reassure teams that he can

852
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: have a big impact for them in twenty nineteen. But overall,

853
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: it's just there's a lot of complications going on here,

854
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: the biggest one being that he had that shoulder injury,

855
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: and he has that limited track record in the major leagues,

856
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: and as we mentioned with Trevor Richards, it's not that

857
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: kind of timing quite yet where the Marlins are looking

858
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: to unload their pitching depth. That's certainly an option for them.

859
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: Maybe they do get overwhelmed by somebody willing to give

860
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: up multiple big impact prospects that are close to the

861
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: major leagues because they really trust Smith's spin rate and

862
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: they see him somehow getting even better than he was

863
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: during the first quarter of the season. I don't want

864
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: to totally discount that, but the odds are that he's

865
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: staying with the Marlins at least through the rest of

866
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Speaker 1: this year and then they reevaluate things with their pitching

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Speaker 1: staff over the winter. The last player we'll touch on

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Speaker 1: here and the main trade candidate section of the episode,

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Speaker 1: is first baseman Neil Walker, age thirty three. Season a

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00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: two to seventy batting average three forty six on base,

871
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: row two, slugging one o four winned runs created, plus

872
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: zero point two wins above replacement in two hundred and

873
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: eleven played appearances for the Marlins this season. He was

874
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: their best hitter early in the season, at the same

875
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: time that Caleb was the ace of the rotation. He

876
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: was like the most trustworthy bat in the middle of

877
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Speaker 1: the lineup. Not a guy that showed huge power at

878
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Speaker 1: any point, but just such a consistent on base machine

879
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Speaker 1: and a good situational hitter, someone that has a very

880
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: long track record in this league.

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Speaker 8: When you're in the lineup at that point, does hitting

882
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 8: just kind of become contagious.

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00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 10: It is contagious, There's no doubt about that. And you

884
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 10: could you get sense in the dugout that we felt

885
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 10: good about the bats we were putting together early in

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Speaker 10: the game, and we just didn't really get rewarded for it.

887
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 10: So nobody panic. Nobody said everybody stayed calm and you

888
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 10: know that ending. We just took what the picture was

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00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 10: given us and did a good job of taking the

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Speaker 10: bats and moving along.

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Speaker 3: Like you mentioned, no one panic throughout the game, even

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Speaker 3: though you guys were down until the seventh ending.

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00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: What impressed you most about this one?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, that's the type base so we have

895
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 10: to play right there. You know, we're or obviously a

896
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 10: team that doesn't sit back and wait for the three

897
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 10: run homer in games, so we have to put together

898
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 10: good at bats. We got to use the whole field,

899
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 10: you know, guy's got to go first to third, score

900
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Speaker 10: on singles, things like that, and we did all that today.

901
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 10: It just took several runnings to get to that point.

902
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Speaker 1: It's really Walker and Romo on this roster that stick

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00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: out for how long they've been in the majors and

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Speaker 1: how pretty steady they've been a positive impact on the

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Speaker 1: teams that they've had. Walker, of course, used to be

906
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: a second baseman for most of his career with the

907
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Pirates and then with the Mets, but over the past

908
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: couple of years he's had to move into more of

909
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: a utility role. I called him a first baseman. He

910
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily be a first baseman for a contending team.

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00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: He'd have to show a lot of that defensive versatility.

912
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: And the problem with him is that although he has

913
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: that willingness to play other positions, something that like Starlin

914
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: Cashro doesn't have, he's not really that good defensively at

915
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: any position at this stage of his career. He is

916
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: not a quick guy. He has good hands, and that's

917
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: pretty much all. The only thing he could say is

918
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: he's got those really sure hands and he'll make a

919
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: lot of the plays that are hytorically at him, and

920
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: if he has some time to make a play, he'll

921
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: be precise with it. He's not gonna make a lot

922
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: of conventional defensive errors quote unquote errors, but he's someone

923
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: that has limitations defensively. Since coming back from an injury,

924
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: he missed I think more than a month on the

925
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: injured list before finally returning to the lineup, and he

926
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: has not had the same impact at the plate since then.

927
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: That's a big concern. If he was the guy he

928
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: was before his injury, someone that was fifteen to twenty

929
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: percent better than the league average hitter, then I think

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00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: you could find a lot of roles for him. And

931
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Speaker 1: maybe yet he shows that stuff over the next couple weeks. Otherwise,

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00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what the kind of big interest is

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00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: gonna be in Neil Walker. There's not a single team

934
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: out there that needs a player like him. If he's

935
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: gonna be simply a league average hitter on an expiring contract,

936
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: a cheap contract just like Sergio Romo, that he could

937
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: absorb pretty easily down the stretch, it's hard to see

938
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: him as a high priority for any one team at

939
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna get maybe one player back for him. The

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00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: Marlins may even consider eating some of the money still

941
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: owed to him to sweeten the return they get back.

942
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: I do think, like Romo, he will get moved somehow,

943
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: some way prior to the deadline. Maybe the Red Sox

944
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: find him useful if Mitch Morelands can't get back on

945
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: the field, he as a regular first baseman, the Rockies

946
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: could use some more role players in a part time role,

947
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: although Walker and Daniel Murphy are kind of redundant on

948
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: that roster. I just don't see him being a need

949
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: for anybody. But the bottom line is, I think you

950
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: can get something for him if you're the Marlins, and

951
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: that's better than nothing. And it opens up some roster

952
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: spots that you can use on your homegrown player down

953
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: the stretch to get a closer look at pieces of

954
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: your future. Walker is not going to be one of

955
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: those pieces of the future, so better to get something

956
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: than nothing. Yes, they're going to be a seller at

957
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. Yes they're not committed to winning games

958
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: down the stretch so much. But a lot of the

959
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: members of their current active roster have potential long term

960
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: roles in the success of the organization. Not all of

961
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: them are going to be flipped for you younger talent

962
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,479
Speaker 1: That does not do much good for the fan base

963
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: or really for the health of the organization right now.

964
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: They need to hold on to a lot of the

965
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: talent they have and give them an opportunity to prove

966
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: themselves in the Major league. So timing is not right

967
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: for most of these guys to move. One notable omission

968
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: that we had circled heading into the regular season, who

969
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: I can assure you is not going to be traded

970
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: at the deadline is Jose Erna, the opening day starter

971
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: who is out on the injured list with a herniated disk,

972
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: and he has been for about a month and a half.

973
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: Now and with no firm times able to return yet

974
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: that was a big setback. He was not having a

975
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: great season as it is. He had some inconsistency in

976
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: his past, as you guys are well aware of, so

977
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: it would probably not have been a huge return regardless,

978
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: but someone that would have definitely drawn interest in the

979
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: same way that maybe Trevor Richards does, except with Arna,

980
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: he's a lot closer to free agency. We've given a

981
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: lot more of an opportunity to prove himself as a

982
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: reliable top of the rotation guy, and he simply hasn't

983
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: reached that kind of potential yet for the Marlins. So

984
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: he is someone that would have been actively marketed if

985
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: he was healthy. We'll see what happens with him should

986
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: he come back from the injured list this season and

987
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: kind of rebuild that value heading into the winter. One

988
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: Marlins trade candidate that I am sure you did not

989
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: think about it all to this point is right hander

990
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: Hector Noac. He hasn't pitched at all for the Marlins

991
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: and the major leagues this year. He's not even all

992
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: the Marlins roster, and that's kind of why I see

993
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: him as a trade candidate, because his path is blocked

994
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: from making any impact in the major leagues considering all

995
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: the starting pitching depth that they have. There are other

996
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: contending teams that do not have the same kind of depth,

997
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: and they could use somebody like Noa c if not

998
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: in their rotation, then at least as a long man

999
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: in their bullpen. He's among the league leaders in the

1000
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Pacific Coast League this season in ennings pitched and strikeouts

1001
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: with an era in the low threes, which is remarkable

1002
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: considering how hit or friendly that environment is. He had

1003
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: pitched for several years in Korea before coming back to

1004
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: affiliated baseball this year. One interesting note about him is

1005
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: that because he's on a minor league contract and not

1006
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: on the Marlins active roster, he remains trade eligible even

1007
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: after July thirty first. This is the first year that

1008
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball has that single trade deadline, but it

1009
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: does not apply to him because he's a minor leaguer.

1010
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: And with all due respect to some of the veterans

1011
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: on this Marlins roster Curis Granderson, Martine, Prado, Way, and Chin,

1012
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: they are all negative assets at this point. You could

1013
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: eat every CeNSE still owe to them on their contracts

1014
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna get anything in return. You're not

1015
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: even going to get a team to accept them on

1016
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: their roster for free. Basically for free. It's not gonna

1017
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: work out. They're perceived as being washed up, and the

1018
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: Marlins can either enjoy their intangibles in the clubhouse or

1019
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: they can simply release them and open up those roster

1020
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: spots for younger players that are ready to take that

1021
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: next step. Once again, my name is Eli Seusman. Thank

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Speaker 1: Marlins and their minor league system, we're always looking to

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Speaker 1: Marlins as well. Very excited to find out how this

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Speaker 1: trade deadline actually plays out. We hope you all joined

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Speaker 1: us on the ride and we'll have coverage of it

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